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John Going
2018-05-12 16:17:56 UTC
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There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.

Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.

"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not
learned through study.

Your money and property are not yours.

Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from
you in the form of fees or taxes.

There is no democracy.

Independence is discouraged.

Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and
survive independently.

Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of
socialist tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
 
dolf
2018-05-12 21:26:18 UTC
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-- IF VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS TO PROPERLY CONFORM TO MARXIST IDEALISM, HE WOULD
NOT STOP ISRAEL FROM ATTACKING SYRIA

(c) 2018 Dolf Leendert Boek, Revision: 12 May 2018

“Het doel van Iran is om zes miljoen Joden uit te roeien. Dit beweerde
Israëls premier Benjamin Netanyahu tijdens zijn bezoek aan Rusland deze
week, bericht Bloomberg.

Deze week bezocht de Israëlische premier, Benjamin Netanyahu, Rusland om de
president van het land, Vladimir Poetin, te overtuigen Israël niet te
stoppen met het aanvallen van Syrië.”

<https://fenixx.org/2018/05/11/netanyahu-tegen-poetin-iran-wil-6-miljoen-joden-uitroeien/>

Shall I spell it out for you?

And I am doing so spontaneously...

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels proposed that Hegel's dialectic is too
abstract: ... In contradiction to Hegelian idealism, Marx presented his own
dialectic method, which he claims to be "direct opposite" of Hegel's
method: My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is
its direct opposite.

The dialect which HEGEL proposes is:

#1 - THESIS
#2 - ANTI-THESIS
#3 - SYNTHESIS
#4 - PROGRESSION

Dialectical materialism adapts the Hegelian dialectic for traditional
materialism, which examines the subjects of the world in relation to each
other within a dynamic, evolutionary environment, in contrast to
metaphysical materialism, which examines parts of the world within a
static, isolated environment.

Dialectical materialism accepts the evolution of the natural world and the
emergence of new qualities of being at new stages of evolution. As Z. A.
Jordan notes, "Engels made constant use of the metaphysical insight that
the higher level of existence emerges from and has its roots in the lower;
that the higher level constitutes a new order of being with its irreducible
laws; and that this process of evolutionary advance is governed by laws of
development which reflect basic properties of 'matter in motion as a
whole'."

Dialectical materialism is an aspect of the broader subject of materialism,
which asserts the primacy of the material world: in short, matter precedes
thought. Materialism is a realist philosophy of science,[13] which holds
that the world is material; that all phenomena in the universe consist of
"matter in motion," wherein all things are interdependent and
interconnected and develop according to natural law; that the world exists
outside us and independently of our perception of it; that thought is a
reflection of the material world in the brain, and that the world is in
principle knowable.

I QUOTE: "In the third chapter of the "Analytic of Principles," on
phenomena and noumena, Kant in Critique of Pure Reason (1781 and second
edition 1787) emphasizes that because the categories must always be applied
to data provided by sensibility in order to provide cognition, and because
the data of sensibility are structured by the transcenden­tally ideal forms
of intuition, the categories give us knowledge only of things as they
appear with sensibility ("phenomena," literally "that which appears").

Although through pure understanding (nous in Greek) we may think of objects
independently of their being given in sensibil­ity, we can never cognize
them as such non-sensible entities ("noumena," literally "that which is
thought" as a subject of some 112 mentions). The meaning of Kant's use of
the term "phenomena" is self-evident, but the meaning of "noumena" is not,
since it literally means not "things as they are in­ dependently of
appearing to us" but something more like "things as they are understood by
pure thought." Yet Kant appears to deny that the human understanding can
comprehend things in the latter way."

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/kant-first-critique-cambridge.pdf>

*THUS* *I* *AM* *PROFFERING* *AN* *INFORMED* *AND* *REASONED* *OPINION*
*AS* *THAT* *WHICH* *IMMANUEL* *KANT* *STATES* *IS* *AN* *IMPOSSIBILITY*
*FOR* *A* *HUMAN* *BEING* *TO* *ACCOMPLISH* *BY* *TRANSCENDENT*
*SAPIENTIAL* *THOUGHT* *AND* *CAPABLY* *DEMONSTRATE* *IT'S* *TEMPORAL*
*CONGRUENCE* *AS* *COHERENCE* *BY* *A* *MATHEMATICAL* *THEORETICAL*
*NOUMENON* *AS* *AN* *INTELLECTUAL* *PROPERTY* *WHICH* *IMMANUEL* *KANT*
*HIMSELF* *CALLS* *NOUMENA* *AS* *THE* *PROOF* *OF* *A* *VALID* *AND*
*RATIONAL* *CONCEPT* *ATTAINED* *BY* *PURE* *THOUGHT*.

FOR EXAMPLE:

Here is a poem written at 0857 hours that is directly associated by
temporal relativity to the noumena conveying two explicit CATEGORIES OF
UNDERSTANDING that whilst linguistically HEBREW / GREEK {ie. 24 x 7 x 13 =
#2,184 / #364 = 6D as ‘OTH being a cosmological anthropic principle
defining ratiocination: 22 / 7} operate as an equivalent of electronic STEM
cells by which DYNAMIC NATURAL ASSOCIATIONS occur as fostering of IDEAS
with other media types.

That the CATEGORIES are then redacted to their bifurcation of male / feme
pairing so as to ascertain the GNOMIC IMPERATIVE instruction set substrata
relationship and its OSMOSIS intersection points to the noumena operation
of MIND by the dialectic of INTELLECTUS AS GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTUS:

— FINE AND DANDY —

“MY HAIR IS NEVER A MESS.
JUST NUMBER TWO WAHL.
I LOVE 💕 WASH AND WEAR.
IT’S SO EASY TO BARBER.

AND I MUST CONFESS.
THERE’S NO EYES KOHL.
BEING BLONDE ‘N FAIR.
THE LOOK TO HARBOUR.”

H1548@{
   #1: Sup: 5; Ego: 5,
   #2: Sup: 81; Ego: 76,
   #3: Sup: 3; Ego: 3,
   #4: Sup: 33; Ego: 30,
   #5: Sup: 41; Ego: 8,
   #6: Sup: 47; Ego: 6,
   Male: #210; Feme: #128
} // #452

#452 as [#5, #400, #3, #30, #8, #6] = galach (H1548): {#2 as #41} 1) to
poll, shave, shave off, be bald; 1a) (Piel); 1a1) to shave; 1a2) to shave
off; 1a3) (figurative of devastation); 1b) (Pual) to be shaven; 1c)
(Hithpael) to shave oneself;

G3659@{
   #1: Sup: 70; Ego: 70,
   #2: Sup: 29; Ego: 40,
   #3: Sup: 69; Ego: 40,
   #4: Sup: 70; Ego: 1,
   #5: Sup: 46; Ego: 57,
   #6: Sup: 47; Ego: 1,
   Male: #331; Feme: #209
} // #452

#452 as [#70, #40, #40, #1, #300, #1] = omma (G3659): {#15 as #151} 1) an
eye;

Transformative Prototype: *HOMOIOS* {#344 / #452} / HETEROS {#326 / #443}

0857HOURS: 4.4.5.31.0@{
#1: Sup: 45; Ego: 45,
#2: Sup: 25; Ego: 61,
#3: Sup: 46; Ego: 21,
#4: Sup: 77; Ego: 31,
#5: Sup: 33; Ego: 37,
#6: Sup: 11; Ego: 59,
#7: Sup: 11; Ego: 81,
#8: Sup: 49; Ego: 38,
#9: Sup: 47; Ego: 79,
Male: 344; Feme: 452
}

<http://www.grapple369.com/?time:8.57>

***@zen: 4, row: 4, col: 5, nous: 31 [Super: #344 / #77 - Natural
Guide, Heaven's Reason; I-Ching: H12 - Obstruction, Standstill
(stagnation), Selfish persons; Tetra: 57 - Guardedness, Ego: #452 / #31 -
Military Stratagem, Quelling War; I-Ching: H32 - Perseverance, Endurance,
Duration, Constancy; Tetra: 51 - Constancy]

Marx criticized classical materialism as another idealist
philosophy—idealist because of its transhistorical understanding of
material contexts. The Young Hegelian Ludwig Feuerbach had rejected Hegel's
idealistic philosophy and advocated materialism. Despite being strongly
influenced by Feuerbach, Marx rejected Feuerbach's version of materialism
as inconsistent. The writings of Engels, especially Anti-Dühring (1878) and
Dialectics of Nature (1875–82), were the source of the main doctrines of
dialectical materialism.

Marx's own writings are almost exclusively concerned with understanding
human history in terms of systemic processes, based on modes of production
(broadly speaking, the ways in which societies are organized to employ
their technological powers to interact with their material surroundings).
This is called historical materialism. More narrowly, within the framework
of this general theory of history, most of Marx's writing is devoted to an
analysis of the specific structure and development of the capitalist
economy.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism>

FATHOMING #72 - ANTHROPIC PROTOTYPE (ECONOMY) DIALECTIC OF PYTHAGORAS
HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER AS BEING EQUIVALENT TO THE CHINESE I-CHING BINARY
RATHER THAN TERNARY APPARATUS:

48 8 64
56 40 24
16 72 32 = #120 / #360 {#EIGHT}

#8 (9) - KHATEL (Seraphim-Angels) = #8
#16 (8) - HAQMYAH (Cherubim-Angels) = #24
#24 (7) - HAHOUYAH (Throne-Angels) = #48
#32 (6) - OUSHRYAH (Dominion-Angels) = #80
#40 (5) - YEIZEL (Powers-Angels) = #120 <--- [*HITLER'S* *TABLE* *TALK*
IDEA @120 ON 24TH JANUARY 1942 (A FUTURE REFORMER OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM):
One day the English will realise that they've nothing to gain in Europe...
*IF* *THEY* *WANT* *TO* *SAVE* *NEW* *ZEALAND* *AND* *AUSTRALIA*, they
can't let India go.

The English have two possibilities : either to give up Europe and hold on
to the East, or vice versa. They can't bet on both tables. When it's a
matter of the richest country in the world (from the capitalist point of
view), one understands the importance of such a *DILEMMA* (NOTE: SEE ON
RELATIONSHIP TO A LEGAL LOGICAL SYLLOGISM AN EXPLANATION GIVEN WITHIN:

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/Pinocchio.pdf>

). It would be enough for them to be aware of it for everything to be
changed.

PAGE #609 (REVISITING BATTLEFIELDS): The *SOLDIER* *HAS* *A* *BOUNDLESS*
*AFFECTION* *FOR* *THE* *GROUND* *ON* *WHICH* *HE* *HAS* *SHED* *HIS*
*BLOOD*. IF WE COULD ARRANGE THE TRANSPORT, WE *SHOULD* *HAVE* *A*
*MILLION* *PEOPLE* *POURING* *INTO* *FRANCE* *TO* *REVISIT* *THE* *SCENES*
*OF* *THEIR* *FORMER* [*BOER* / *ANZAC*] *STRUGGLE*. [HITLER'S TABLE TALK
IDEA @120 / PAGE #609 (REVISITING BATTLEFIELDS)]

#48 (4) - MIHEL (Virtues-Angels) = #168
#56 (3) - PHOHEL (Principalities-Angels) = #224 {*MENS* *REA*: #334 as
[#40, #4, #200, #20, #10, #20, #40] = derek (H1870): {#1 as #224} 1) way,
road, distance, journey, manner; 1a) road, way, path; 1b) journey; 1c)
direction; 1d) manner, habit, way; 1e) of course of life (figurative); 1f)
of moral character (figurative)}



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[IMAGE: By week ending Saturday 8 April 2018 I had received one of these
special 1000 minted "TRUMP JEWISH TEMPLE" half shekel coins.

It is my intellectual property associated with the letters patent to the
Australian commonwealth which makes that entirely possible]

#224 as [#4, #70, #20, #10, #40, #70, #10] = dokimos (G1384): {#61 as #224}
1) accepted, particularly of coins and money; 2) accepted, pleasing,
acceptable

#64 (2) - MEHIEL (Archangels-Angels) = #288 as ANTI-SEMITISM: #364 as [#10,
#8, #200, #80, #6, #50, #10] = charaph (H2778): {#1 as #288 *INTERFERENCE*
*AS* *EVIDENCE* *OF* *ANTI*-*SEMITISM*} 1) to reproach, taunt, *BLASPHEME*,
defy, jeopardise, rail, upbraid; 2) (Qal) to *WINTER*, spend harvest time,
remain in harvest time; 3) (Niphal) to acquire, *BE* *BETROTHED*; 1a) (Qal)
*TO* *REPROACH*; 1b) (Piel) *TO* *REPROACH*, *DEFY*, *TAUNT*;

*BEERSHEBA* {*BEER* {a *WELL*: AUM #288 as [#8, #80, #200] = To cut in,
dig; to search out, *TO* *SPY*; to turn red (with shame); to be ashamed; a
hole; n. Blushing, Pit or *WELL*} *SHEBA* {*CAPTIVITY*; *OLD* *MAN*;
*REPOSE*; *OATH*}

#72 (1) - MOUMYAH (Angels-Angels) = #360

For his part, Engels applies a "dialectical" approach to the natural world
in general, arguing that contemporary science is increasingly recognizing
the necessity of viewing natural processes in terms of interconnectedness,
development, and transformation. Some scholars have doubted that Engels's
"dialectics of nature" is a legitimate extension of Marx's approach to
social processes.

Other scholars have argued that despite Marx's insistence that humans are
natural beings in an evolving, mutual relationship with the rest of nature,
Marx's own writings pay inadequate attention to the ways in which human
agency is constrained by such factors as biology, geography, and ecology.

However the HOMOIOS ternary conception of NUMBER of which Immanuel Kant is
cognisant of within his Critique of Pure Reason deploys a dialectic:

+ 0, 27, 54 {ie. Realm of its Nature as Heaven - Formula of Universal Law}
+ 0, 9, 18 {ie. System's Cosmology as Earth - Formula of Humanity}
+ 0, 3, 6 {ie. Self identity - Formula of Autonomy}
+ 1, 2, 3 {ie. Formula of Progression of individual phenomena}

H27 + H9 + H3 + H2 = #41 as #CENTRE
H54 + H18 + H6 + H3 = #81 as #WAN WU

= TETRAGRAMMATON HIERARCHY VALUE AS HOMOIOS THEORY OF *NUMBER*.

+ 0, 81, 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 {ie. ORGANIZATION OF THE MYRIAD OR *NUMBER* OF
THINGS (WAN WU) OF SOCIETY AND NATURE}

However when this trinomial HOMOIOS {#81 bits} conception of #NUMBER
deploys a binomial encapsulation a logical contradiction of its deployment
as HETEROS {@1 - GENDER {MARRIAGE} / @5 - PHALLUS {HERITAGE} conception of
#NUMBER:



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The Limitless (wuji) produces the delimited (youji), and this demarcation
is equivalent to the Absolute (taiji) or in Kabbalist language as the
Infinite Void /Nothingness (AIN SOF - Infinite Being) as The Primordial
Source.

The Taiji (the two opposing forces in embryonic form) produces two forms,
named yin-yang which are called Liangyi (the manifested opposing forces).

Yin (Passive/Female Principle) and Yang (Active/Male Principle)

These two forms produce four phenomena (Sìxiàng):

PROGRESSION: Lesser Yin (shaoyin: West / Autumn / Metal)
SYNTHESIS: Greater Yin (taiyin: North / Winter / Water and which also
refers to the Moon)

ANTI-THESIS: Lesser Yang (shaoyang: East / Spring / Wood )
THESIS: Greater Yang (taiyang: South / Summer / Fire and which also refers
to the Sun)

These four phenomena (Sìxiàng) act on the eight trigrams (Bagua) which are
used within Daoist cosmology to represent the fundamental principles of
reality, seen as a range of eight interrelated concepts associated only to
nature’s process of PHUSIS as growth (by germination or expansion), that
is, (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension a
genus or sort; figuratively native disposition, constitution or
usage:—([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).

You’ll notice from the Kabbalist notion of the #VOWELS which I have just
summarily conveyed above, that they may well conform to our RATIOCINATION
paradigm and thusly given the #231 / #351 inclusions within this
INDESTRUCTIBLE THOUGHT ATOM it then provides the best natural defence
against any religious extremist ideology: @1 / @5.

GIVEN THE *MAJOR* *PREMISE* {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law} of circa 1550 BCE, which contains the law of that will: 7 x
24 *COURSES* *OF* *PRIESTLY* *DIVISIONS* x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle
= 6D or 6 x 364 associated to the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as
354 x 3 + 30 day intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days

<— RATIONAL PI AS THE BASIS FOR RATIOCINATION IS IMPLICIT WITHIN THIS
COSMOLOGICAL COMPREHENSION

We ought then to be able to deploy Hebrew (22) / Greek (24) Categories of
Understanding interchangeably and we also can use English.

BECAUSE THE ENGLISH VOWELS: A-E-I-O-U APPEAR TO BE DERIVED FROM THE HEBREW:

#A (#1) = {Inner?} - #SOUTH
#E (#5) = {Totality?} - #CENTRE
#I (#9) = {Sphere?} - #NORTH
#O (#60) = {Polarity?} - #WEST? {#SAMEK as the 15th Hebrew Letter}
#U (#300) = {Harmony?} - #EAST {ie. determined as such by Pythagorean
redaction method using the Greco-Roman magic square as frame of reference}

And just like the Hebrew final form letters these start at the
chronological plane as the 4th - Nature amended in it Nature:





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[IMAGE: NATURE’S METHODOLOGY AS PROCESS OF THE GREEK NOTION OF PHUSIS:
growth (by germination or expansion), that is, (by implication) natural
production (lineal descent); by extension a genus or sort; figuratively
native disposition, constitution or usage:—([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]) AS
NOT ASSOCIATED TO ANY GOD]

THUS AS BINOMIAL HEXAGRAM (64 bit) ENCAPSULATION A LOGICAL CONTRADICTION OF
ITS DEPLOYMENT AS HETEROS {@1 - GENDER {MARRIAGE} / @5 - PHALLUS {HERITAGE}
CONCEPTION OF #NUMBER:

PROGRESSION: Lesser Yin (shaoyin: West / Autumn / Metal)
+ 0, H27, H54 {ie. Realm of its Nature as Heaven - Formula of Universal
Law}

SYNTHESIS: Greater Yin (taiyin: North / Winter / Water and which also
refers to the Moon)
+ 0, H9, H18 {ie. System's Cosmology as Earth - Formula of Humanity}

ANTI-THESIS: Lesser Yang (shaoyang: East / Spring / Wood )
+ 0, H3, H6 {ie. Self identity - Formula of Autonomy}

THESIS: Greater Yang (taiyang: South / Summer / Fire and which also refers
to the Sun)
+ H1, H2, H3 {ie. Formula of Progression of individual phenomena}

Dialectic or dialectics (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to
dialogue), also known as the dialectical method, is at base a discourse
between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject
but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned arguments. Dialectic
resembles debate, but shorn of subjective elements such as emotional appeal
and the modern pejorative sense of rhetoric. It may be contrasted with the
didactic method where one side of the conversation teaches the other.

Within Hegelianism, dialectic acquires a specialised meaning of a
contradiction of ideas that serves as the determining factor in their
interaction; comprising three stages of development: a thesis, giving rise
to its reaction; an antithesis, which contradicts or negates the thesis;
and the tension between the two being resolved by means of a synthesis.

Dialectical materialism, built mainly by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels,
adapted the Hegelian dialectic into traditional materialism.

Dialectic tends to imply a process of evolution, and so does not naturally
fit within formal logic; see logic and dialectic. This is particularly
marked in Hegelian and even more Marxist dialectic which may rely on the
time-evolution of ideas in the real world; Dialectical logic attempts to
address this.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic>

That if this trinomial HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER a priori as PARADIGM
already has a conception of an INTELLECTUAL TETRAD {#8 - Transformation
Prototype} which as CANON OF SUPREME MYSTERY was associated to a LUNAR
event upon the midnight solstice of 21 December 103 BCE and published in 4
BCE is equivalent to the later implementation of PYTHAGOREAN binomial
HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER as the basis for the Julian calendar and the
subsequent Roman Empire Governance (and that of religionists):

VIRTUE as MIND: {#1 + #2 = #3} is PROGRESSION: Lesser Yin (shaoyin: West /
Autumn / Metal)

TOOLS as SCIENCE: {#3 + #4 = #7} is SYNTHESIS: Greater Yin (taiyin: North /
Winter / Water and which also refers to the Moon)

POSITION as OPINION: {#5 + #6 = #11 as Collegium of Pontiffs from 510 BCE
as AS PONTIFICATED DEIFIED IGNORANCE BEING NARCISSISM} is ANTI-THESIS:
Lesser Yang (shaoyang: East / Spring / Wood )

TIME as SENSE: {#7 + #8 = #15} is THESIS: Greater Yang (taiyang: South /
Summer / Fire and which also refers to the Sun)

= #36 (ie. H27 - Realm of its Nature as Heaven - Formula of Universal Law +
H9 - System's Cosmology as Earth - Formula of Humanity)

6x6 = #36 / #111 / #666 {#FIVE AS #CENTRE VALUE TO THE GNOME}

45 5 61
53 37 21
13 69 29

= #111 / #333 {#FIVE}

Whilst it may continue to function as an acceptable METHODOLOGY {ARCH KAI
TELOS OIDA: #1 + #2 + #3 +#4 = #10} with an encapsulated sphere of
operation {

41 1 57
49 33 17
9 65 25 = #99 / #297 {#ONE}

42 2 58
50 34 18
10 66 26 = #102 / #306 {#TWO}

43 3 59
51 35 19
11 67 27 = #105 / #315 {#THREE}

#419 as [#9, #2, #8, #400] = tabach (H2873): {#2 as #19 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH* / *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #THREE: #105 / #315} 1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill
ruthlessly; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to slaughter, butcher; 1a2) to slay, kill
ruthlessly (figurative);

44 4 60
52 36 20
12 68 28 = #108 / #324 {#FOUR}

#419 as [#2, #1, #6, #400, #10] = 'avvah (H185): {#0 as #12 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH*/ *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #FOUR: #108 / #324} 1) desire, lust, will (not necessarily
evil);

49 9 65
57 41 25
17 73 33 = #123 / #369 {#NINE} AS IT'S NATURAL PROGRESSION {#1 / #73
SUBSTITUTION}

74 81 76
79 77 75
78 73 80 = #231 - #108 = #123 / #693 - #369 = #324 {#TEN} AS RETURN TO
GRECO-ROMAN MAGIC SQUARE BEING ITSELF

}, it is entirely a specious notion to declare it is the root and causal
basis of the perennialist philosophical tradition.

My objection has always been ROMAN CATHOLICS / FREEMASONRY imposing {#17 /
#33 - #INR / #65 - SOLDIER} a @5 - substituted HETEROS ethic upon our {#390
/ #288 / #419} war dead and usurping the @1 - SOVEREIGNTY of the #391 -
HOMOIOS basis to our Commonwealth’s Governance which is defined as a
PRINCIPLE that is circumscribed {#13 / #21 / #37} by Queen Victoria’s
Letters Patent of 17 September 1900 as the instrumentation of Federation
into a nation.

MY BELIEF THAT THE QUINTESSENTIAL DIALECTIC ISSUE BETWEEN HEGEL AND MARX IS
THEN A QUESTION OF INVENTION AND CARRYING OUT POLITICAL CONSTITUTIONS
INDEPENDENTLY OF RELIGION FOR WHICH A DIALECTIC IS REQUISITE:

Hegel states the hypothesis: “Another and opposite folly which we meet with
in our time is that of pretending to invent and carry out political
constitutions independently of religion. The Catholic confession, although
sharing the Christian name with the Protestant, does not concede to the
State an inherent Justice and Morality, – a concession which in the
Protestant principle is fundamental. This tearing away of the political
morality of the Constitution from its natural connection, is necessary to
the genius of that religion, inasmuch as it does not recognise Justice and
Morality as independent and substantial. But thus excluded from intrinsic
worth, – torn away from their last refuge – the sanctuary of conscience –
the calm retreat where religion has its abode, – the principles and
institutions of political legislation are destitute of a real centre, to
the same decree as they are compelled to remain abstract and indefinite.

Summing up what has been said of the State, we find that we have been led
to call its vital principle, as actuating the individuals who compose it, –
Morality. The State, its laws, its arrangements, constitute the rights of
its members; its natural features, its mountains, air, and waters, are
their country, their fatherland, their outward material property; the
history of this State, their deeds; what their ancestors have produced,
belongs to them and lives in their memory. All is their possession, just as
they are possessed by it; for it constitutes their existence, their being.

Their imagination is occupied with the ideas thus presented, while the
adoption of these laws, and of a fatherland so conditioned is the
expression of their will. It is this matured totality which thus
constitutes one Being, the spirit of one People. To it the individual
members belong; each unit is the Son of his Nation, and at the same time –
in as far as the State to which he belongs is undergoing development – the
Son of his Age. None remains behind it, still less advances beyond it. This
spiritual Being (the Spirit of his Time) is his; he is a representative of
it; it is that in which he originated, and in which he lives.

MY SUGGESTION IS TO UTILISE THE VOLUNTĀTIS / NOLUNTĀTIS NOTION OF WILL as
the DIALECTIC and you'll note that the first line "NOW WAIT A TICK. {#1}"
to our POEM uses the dialectic: #1 - POSITION {#558} which as a GNOMIC
IMPERATIVE instruction set then EQUATES to MALE: #435; FEME: #315 and is
equivalent to the SUM of the #THREE MAGIC SQUARE within the Pythagorean
HETEROS schematic:

43 3 59
51 35 19
11 67 27 = #105 / #315 {#THREE}

#419 as [#9, #2, #8, #400] = tabach (H2873): {#2 as #19 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH* / *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #THREE: #105 / #315} 1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill
ruthlessly; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to slaughter, butcher; 1a2) to slay, kill
ruthlessly (figurative);

And you ought to note that we now have a technical capability to further
redefine the granularity of our hypothetical proposition: 'AUTONOMOUS
HYPOTHETICAL FLUIDITY THEORY' which was articulated some months ago. And
that is the capability of reducing each conceptual word of our functional
dialectic by which one can readily cognize a poem or propose into its own
sub-dialectic semantical stratum and obtain thereby the GNOMIC IMPERATIVE
instruction set.

For example our first dialectic element is:

#1 = Position {#558}

And if written thusly:

[P, o, s, i, t, i, o, n]

Then is numerically as gematria equivalent to:

[70, 60, 100, 9, 200, 9, 60, 50] = #558

But as a GNOMIC IMPERATIVE instruction set it is expressed as:

Event: POSITION@{
#1: Sup: 70; Ego: 70,
#2: Sup: 49; Ego: 60,
#3: Sup: 68; Ego: 19,
#4: Sup: 77; Ego: 9,
#5: Sup: 34; Ego: 38,
#6: Sup: 43; Ego: 9,
#7: Sup: 22; Ego: 60,
#8: Sup: 72; Ego: 50,
Male: #435; Feme: #315
}

#315 as [#5, #300, #10] = eti (G2089): {#14 as #315} 1) yet, still; 1a) of
time; 1a1) of a thing which went on formerly, whereas now a different state
of things exists or has begun to exist; 1a2) of a thing which continues at
present; 1a2a) even, now; 1a3) with negatives; 1a3a) no longer, no more;
1b) of degree and increase; 1b1) even, yet; 1b2) besides, more, further;

— AUTONOMOUS HYPOTHETICAL FLUIDITY THEORY —
{APPLIES EQUALLY TO GENDER IDENTITY}

{ie. *SANDGLASS* AND WHY AUSTRALIA'S PARLIAMENT USES IT WHEN THERE'S A
DIVISION IN THE HOUSE}

#1 = Position {#558} as MENTALISM [VIRTUE]: #1 - Will, free will, choice /
Remember the Sabbath Day
#2 = Poise {#244} / Pause {#476} as CORRESPONDENCE [TOOL]: #2 - desire,
inclination / Honour Parents
#3 = Purpose {#695} as VIBRATION [POSITION]: #3 - disposition towards
(something or someone) / Do Not Kill
#4 = Process {#428} as POLARITY [TIME / CENTRE]: #4 - favour, affection /
Do Not Commit Adultery (ie. Avoid Heteronomy Against Autonomy)
#5 = Pairing {#236} / DISCRIMINATING NORM (HUMAN NATURE) of RHYTHM or
CANON: #5 - last will, testament / Do Not Steal
#6 = Perspicacity {#1260} / BINDING NORM (NORMA OBLIGANS) as CAUSE AND
EFFECT [IMPLEMENTATION]: #6 - goal, object, purpose, intention / Do Not
Bear False Witness
#7 = Probability {#1173} / Prosperous {945} / MANIFESTING NORM (NORMA
DENUNTIANS) as as ENGENDERING / ENUMERATE [LIMIT]: #7 - signification,
import / Do Not Covet [LATIN definition: VOLUNTĀTIS]

#8 = Propriety {#1294} / TRANSFORMATIVE PROTOTYPE as PROTOCOL SELECTION: #1
- unwillingness
#9 = Persona {#376} / AUTONOMOUS PARADIGM as MIRRORED AUTONOMOUS PROTOTYPE
OF EACH OTHER'S SOVEREIGN AUTONOMY: #2 - ill will, negative disposition
(toward something) [LATIN definition: NOLUNTĀTIS]

YOUTUBE: "Om 108 Times - Music for Yoga & Meditation"



#10 / #10 = Totality of Nature {#7 - Engendering Nature} / SOVEREIGNTY
#11 / #8 = Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: #4 - Nature Amended in it's Nature
{#7 - Engendering Nature}) / GOVERNMENT & NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANISATIONS
#12 / #9 = Autonomous Nature / GENERAL POPULACE

— RACHEL {WETHERED SHEEP} MAKES A PLEA —

"NOW WAIT A TICK. {#1}
YOU'RE DRIBBLING. {#2}
WHY THE SHTICK. {#3}
ENDLESS QUIBBLING. {#4}

O'ER THE PUERILE. {#5}
IMPISH LIMP STICK. {#6}
PRISSY LOATH'G BILE. {#7}
CEASELESS BRICK. {#8}

INSANE PUSSY CALLS. {#9}
BY A SENILE PRICK. {#10}
WITHOUT ANY BALLS. {#11}
MY FANNY LICK." {#12}

"And Jesus {He is saved/A saviour; a deliverer} of Nazareth {Sovereign; one
chosen or set apart; separated; crowned; sanctified} answered and said unto
him, Blessed art thou, Simon {that hears; that obeys} Barjona {son of a
Jona; of a dove}: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but
my Father which is in heaven.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter {a rock or stone}, and upon
this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it.

— ESPRIT DE CORPS: 'FLANDERS SOIL' AS EXEMPLAR TRUE #CENTRE OF WILL
{INTELLECTUS AS GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTIS} —

"IN DEAD OF NIGHT. {MENTALISM: 1 x #41 = #41 as #1 - Will, free will,
choice / VIRTUE: 64 meta descriptor prototypes: Omne Datum Optimum {#1 -
Every perfect gift} (1139 CE) / Remember the Sabbath Day}

#2 - Nature Rejoices in its Nature: {DOUBLE: #1 - Nature Contains Nature
{#4 - Nature Amended in its Nature}}

I HEAR THE CLARION. {CORRESPONDENCE: 2 x #41 = #82 as #2 - desire,
inclination: Milites Templi {#2 - Soldiers of the Temple} (1144 CE) /
TOOLS: marriage / Honour Parents}

#393 as [#8, #90, #90, #200, #5] = chatsotserah (H2689): {#2 as #399} 1)
trumpet, clarion;

#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature: {DOUBLE: #2 - Nature Rejoices in its Nature
{#5 - Act of Nature}}

CALL AWAKE FOR WAR. {VIBRATION: 3 x #41 = #123 as #3 - disposition towards
(something or someone): Militia Dei {#3 - Soldiers of God} (1145 CE) /
POSITION: Soldier / Do Not Kill}

#4 - Nature Amended in its Nature / #1 - Nature Contains Nature: {DOUBLE:
#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature {#6 - Form of Nature}}

STEADFAST MIGHT. {POLARITY: 4 x #41 = #164 as #4 - favour, affection:
Pastoralis Praeeminentiae {#4 - Pastoral Pre-eminence to monarchs} (1307
CE) / TIME: #CENTRE and #INR / Do Not Commit Adultery (ie. Avoid Heteronomy
Against Autonomy)} [John 5:39-47 (KJV)]

#11 / #8 - Transforming Nature: {DOUBLE: #4 - Nature Amended in its Nature
{#7 - Engendering Nature}}

MARCHING TO SION. {RHYTHM: 5 x #41 = #205 as #5 - last will, testament:
Faciens misericordiam {#5 - Granting forgiveness} (1308 CE) / CANON: RHYTHM
& HARMONY / Do Not Steal} / DISCRIMINATING NORM (HUMAN NATURE),

SUPER (MALE) / EGO (FEMALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER:
#13 - Status, Loathing Shame; I-Ching: H5 - Waiting, Delay, Attending,
Moistened, Arriving; Tetra: 17 - Holding Back / INNER: #11 - Value and
Function of Non-Existence; I-Ching: H8 - Closeness, Seeking Unity,
Grouping, Holding together, Alliance; Tetra: 33 - Closeness}

V - The Governor General may on Our behalf exercise all powers under the
Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act, 1900, or otherwise in respect
of the summoning, proroguing, or dissolving the Parliament of Our said
Commonwealth.

POLICE AS #123 - *A* *MEMBER* *OF* *A* *GUILD*, *ORDER*, *CLASS* OR #65 -
SOLDIERS IN THE GARDEN: “Then Simon {that hears; that obeys} Peter {a rock
or stone as euphemism for testicles as opposed to phallus of #CENTRE}
having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off
his right ear {#237 - *USE* *OF* *FORCE* / #277 - *RIGHT* *TO* *PLACE* *A*
*TEST*}. The servant's name was Malchus {my king, kingdom, or counsellor}.”
[John 18:10 (KJV)]

AGAINST THIS WHORE. {CAUSE AND EFFECT: 6 x #41 = #246 as #6 - goal, object,
purpose, intention: Ad providam {#6 - To Foresee / For Providence} (1312
CE) / IMPLEMENTATION: HETEROS (binomial / bifurcated) THEORY OF NUMBER / Do
Not Bear False Witness} / BINDING NORM (NORMA OBLIGANS),

#20 / #8 - Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: #6 - Form of Nature {#9 -
Autonomous Nature} [#505 / #1 - Nature Contains Nature]

IMPLEMENTATION: {GRAVITAS: ASSISTING (#RESH to #TAU)} / DEFINE THE @1
SOVEREIGN PRINCIPLE CHARACTERISTIC HERE

SUPER (MALE) / EGO (FEMALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER:
#19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism, Returning to Simplicity; I-Ching: H57
- Compliance, Gentle Penetration/Wind, Ground, Calculations; Tetra: 58 -
Gathering In / INNER: #13 - Status, Loathing Shame; I-Ching: H5 - Waiting,
Delay, Attending, Moistened, Arriving; Tetra: 17 - Holding Back}

VIII - And We do hereby REQUIRE and COMMAND ALL OUR OFFICERS AND MINISTERS,
CIVIL AND MILITARY, AND ALL OTHER THE INHABITANTS of Our said Commonwealth
TO BE OBEDIENT, AIDING, AND ASSISTING unto Our said Governor General, or,
in the event of his death, INCAPACITY, or absence, to such person or
persons as may, FROM TIME TO TIME, under the PROVISIONS OF THESE OUR
LETTERS PATENT, ADMINISTER THE GOVERNMENT of Our said Commonwealth.

ARREST THE BLIGHT." {ENGENDERING / ENUMERATE: 7 x #41 = #287 as #7 -
signification, import: Vox in excelso {#7 - The voice on high} (1312 CE) /
LIMIT: #INR AS TERNIO ANAGRAM / Do Not Covet} MANIFESTING NORM (NORMA
DENUNTIANS). [LATIN definition: VOLUNTĀTIS]

7 x #41 = #287 as [#1, #50, #1, #3, #20, #1, #10, #1, #200] = anagkaios
(G316): {#9 as #356} 1) necessary; 1a) what one can not do without,
indispensable; 1b) connected by bonds of nature or friendship; 1c) what
ought according to the law of duty be done, what is required by the
circumstances;

#22 / #10 - Totality of Nature {DOUBLE: #7 - Engendering Nature {#10 -
Totality of Nature}} [#870 / #6 - Form of Nature]

SUPER (MALE) / EGO (FEMALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER:
#60 - Skill Rulership, Maintain One's Place; I-Ching: H15 - Modesty,
Humbling; Tetra: 5 - Keeping Small / INNER: #9 - Inconstancy of
Achievement, Practicing Placidity; I-Ching: H7 - The Army, Leading, Troops;
Tetra: 32 - Legion}

X - And We do further direct and enjoin that these Our Letters Patent shall
be read and proclaimed at such place or places as Our said Governor General
shall think fit within Our said Commonwealth of Australia.

[In witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent
Witness Ourself at Westminster the 29th October, 1900: 64th year of Our
reign (Queen Victoria)]



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[IMAGE: LETTERS PATENT TO THE FEDERATION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
OF 1901 Represented by a Theoretical Mathematical Trinomial Noumenon as
Intellectual Property]

8 x #41 = % #328 as #INNER {FEMALE (EGO)} / TRANSFORMATIVE PROTOTYPE as
PROTOCOL SELECTION: #1 - unwillingness
9 x #41 = % #369 as #INNER {FEMALE (EGO)} / AUTONOMOUS PARADIGM as MIRRORED
AUTONOMOUS PROTOTYPE OF EACH OTHER'S SOVEREIGN AUTONOMY: #2 - ill will,
negative disposition (toward something) [LATIN definition: NOLUNTĀTIS]

<http://www.grapple369.com?idea:{41}&idea:{82}&idea:{123}&idea:{164}&idea:{205}&idea:{246}&idea:{287}&idea:{328}&idea:{369}>

*VOLUNTY* (noun):
[ETYMOLOGY]: coined by Robert Fludd (17 January 1574 – 8 September 1637)
from Latin voluntās f (genitive voluntātis).
- (obsolete) The positive aspect of God, encompassing light, love,
creation, etc.
- *YANG*: From early romanizations of Chinese 陽/阳 (yáng), originally in
reference to the sunny side of areas {*IT* *IS* *NOT* *GEMATRIA*} such as
mountains and dwellings.
- (philosophy) A principle in Chinese and related East Asian philosophies
associated with bright, hot, masculine, etc. elements of the natural world.


*NOLUNTY* (noun):
[ETYMOLOGY]: coined by Robert Fludd (17 January 1574 – 8 September 1637)
from Latin nōluntās f (genitive nōluntātis).
- (obsolete) The negative aspect of God, encompassing darkness, cold,
destruction, etc.
- *YIN*: From early romanizations of Chinese 陰/阴 (yīn), originally used in
reference to shaded areas {*IT* *IS* *NOT* *UMBRA* *AS* *GEMATRIA*
*MORPHOLOGICAL* *SUBSTITUTION*}, as of a mountain or home.
- (philosophy) A principle in Chinese and related East Asian philosophies
associated with dark, cool, female, etc. elements of the natural world.
- Robert Fludd was born at Milgate House, Bearsted and was the son of Sir
Thomas Fludd, a high-ranking governmental official (Queen Elizabeth I’s
treasurer for war in Europe), and Member of Parliament.

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou
shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." [Matthew 16:17-19 (KJV)]

Thus I define a 22 level DIALECTIC FORMULATION which is required for the
human process of RATIOCINATION and that deploys META-PRINCIPLES as
principles of NATURE which apply to the VOLUNTĀTIS / NOLUNTĀTIS NOTION OF
WILL as the simple DIALECTIC (with its complex DOUBLE TWINING traditional
understanding of the HEBREW LETTERS):

#1 - Nature Contains Nature
#2 - Nature Rejoices in its Nature
#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature
#4 - Nature Amended in its Nature
#5 - Act of Nature
#6 - Form of Nature
#7 - Engendering of Nature
#8 - Transforming Nature
#9 - Autonomous Nature
#10 - Totality of Nature

I ought to add that the binomial HETEROS methodology may continue to
adequately function {ie. with #288 - UMBRA compliance} between SOVEREIGN
STATES {9x9x9 = #729 / #364.5} which conform their governance regime to a
HOMOIOS paradigm.

In the historical sense the mechanism of EQUILIBRIUM which is essential for
OSMOSIS {ie. the process of gradual or unconscious assimilation of ideas,
knowledge, etc} can occur by the protocol notion of HRUMACHIS - #330 - 'The
Holy Spirit of Truth and Justice'.

For yet again notice that the Key Letter of the Change from the First to
the Second Order is Aleph (#1 - vOrange), and the changed letters in the
Third Order are He (#5 - vBronze), Resh (#200 - vPurple), Vau (#6 - vRed),
Mem (#40 - vBlue), Cheth (#8), Yod (#10 - vGreen), Sameck (#60 - vYellow),
so that in all we (the adherents to the Cult of ATEN) have the one Secret
Name: HRUMACHIS - #330 - 'The Holy Spirit of Truth and Justice'." [Frater
Achad, Q.B.L. or The Bride's Reception]

But I would augment this with the Lamed (#30 - vCyan) and Tsade {#80 -
vCoral) as we can determine a reprise point for rational PI as 22 / 7 from
the New Moon / Equinox cycle of Wed 20 March 1996 / #0 = Thu 21 March 1996
as New Moon.

AND IN CONSIDERATION OF THE TRANSLATION:
Iran's goal is to eradicate six million Jews. This was claimed by Israel's
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during his visit to Russia this week,
Bloomberg reports.

This week, the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, visited Russia
to persuade the country's president, Vladimir Putin, not to stop Israel
from attacking Syria.

THUS IN CONSIDERATION OF THE QUINTESSENTIAL DIALECTIC ISSUE BETWEEN HEGEL
AND MARX AS A QUESTION OF THE INVENTION AND CARRYING OUT POLITICAL
CONSTITUTIONS INDEPENDENTLY OF RELIGION FOR WHICH A HOMOIOS RATHER THAN
HETEROS DIALECTIC OF {22 HEBREW LETTERS OF RATIONAL PI: 22 / 7 -
VOLUNTĀTUS} RATIOCINATION IS PREREQUISITE.

THEREFORE IF VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS TO PROPERLY CONFORM TO MARXIST IDEALISM, HE
WOULD NOT STOP ISRAEL FROM ATTACKING SYRIA.

That was a brief outline to contribute to fostering an Intellectual
discussion.

SEE ALSO: “EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ON CAUSE CÉLÈBRE JINGOISTIC BEHAVIOUR AS BEING
BOER / ANZAC DEFAMATION BY RACIAL, RELIGIOUS AND PSYCHO-SEXUAL HATRED”

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/419-Slaughter.pdf>

- dolf

Initial Post: 12 May 2018
Post by John Going
There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not
learned through study.
Your money and property are not yours.
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from
you in the form of fees or taxes.
There is no democracy.
Independence is discouraged.
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and
survive independently.
Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of
socialist tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
 
--
YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"



SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private “Saint Andrews” Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

<http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip> (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS
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(c) 2018 Dolf Leendert Boek, Revision: 12 May 2018

“Het doel van Iran is om zes miljoen Joden uit te roeien. Dit beweerde
Israëls premier Benjamin Netanyahu tijdens zijn bezoek aan Rusland deze
week, bericht Bloomberg.

Deze week bezocht de Israëlische premier, Benjamin Netanyahu, Rusland om de
president van het land, Vladimir Poetin, te overtuigen Israël niet te
stoppen met het aanvallen van Syrië.”

<https://fenixx.org/2018/05/11/netanyahu-tegen-poetin-iran-wil-6-miljoen-joden-uitroeien/>

Shall I spell it out for you?

And I am doing so spontaneously...

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels proposed that Hegel's dialectic is too
abstract: ... In contradiction to Hegelian idealism, Marx presented his own
dialectic method, which he claims to be "direct opposite" of Hegel's
method: My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is
its direct opposite.

The dialect which HEGEL proposes is:

#1 - THESIS
#2 - ANTI-THESIS
#3 - SYNTHESIS
#4 - PROGRESSION

Dialectical materialism adapts the Hegelian dialectic for traditional
materialism, which examines the subjects of the world in relation to each
other within a dynamic, evolutionary environment, in contrast to
metaphysical materialism, which examines parts of the world within a
static, isolated environment.

Dialectical materialism accepts the evolution of the natural world and the
emergence of new qualities of being at new stages of evolution. As Z. A.
Jordan notes, "Engels made constant use of the metaphysical insight that
the higher level of existence emerges from and has its roots in the lower;
that the higher level constitutes a new order of being with its irreducible
laws; and that this process of evolutionary advance is governed by laws of
development which reflect basic properties of 'matter in motion as a
whole'."

Dialectical materialism is an aspect of the broader subject of materialism,
which asserts the primacy of the material world: in short, matter precedes
thought. Materialism is a realist philosophy of science,[13] which holds
that the world is material; that all phenomena in the universe consist of
"matter in motion," wherein all things are interdependent and
interconnected and develop according to natural law; that the world exists
outside us and independently of our perception of it; that thought is a
reflection of the material world in the brain, and that the world is in
principle knowable.

I QUOTE: "In the third chapter of the "Analytic of Principles," on
phenomena and noumena, Kant in Critique of Pure Reason (1781 and second
edition 1787) emphasizes that because the categories must always be applied
to data provided by sensibility in order to provide cognition, and because
the data of sensibility are structured by the transcenden­tally ideal forms
of intuition, the categories give us knowledge only of things as they
appear with sensibility ("phenomena," literally "that which appears").

Although through pure understanding (nous in Greek) we may think of objects
independently of their being given in sensibil­ity, we can never cognize
them as such non-sensible entities ("noumena," literally "that which is
thought" as a subject of some 112 mentions). The meaning of Kant's use of
the term "phenomena" is self-evident, but the meaning of "noumena" is not,
since it literally means not "things as they are in­ dependently of
appearing to us" but something more like "things as they are understood by
pure thought." Yet Kant appears to deny that the human understanding can
comprehend things in the latter way."

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/kant-first-critique-cambridge.pdf>

*THUS* *I* *AM* *PROFFERING* *AN* *INFORMED* *AND* *REASONED* *OPINION*
*AS* *THAT* *WHICH* *IMMANUEL* *KANT* *STATES* *IS* *AN* *IMPOSSIBILITY*
*FOR* *A* *HUMAN* *BEING* *TO* *ACCOMPLISH* *BY* *TRANSCENDENT*
*SAPIENTIAL* *THOUGHT* *AND* *CAPABLY* *DEMONSTRATE* *IT'S* *TEMPORAL*
*CONGRUENCE* *AS* *COHERENCE* *BY* *A* *MATHEMATICAL* *THEORETICAL*
*NOUMENON* *AS* *AN* *INTELLECTUAL* *PROPERTY* *WHICH* *IMMANUEL* *KANT*
*HIMSELF* *CALLS* *NOUMENA* *AS* *THE* *PROOF* *OF* *A* *VALID* *AND*
*RATIONAL* *CONCEPT* *ATTAINED* *BY* *PURE* *THOUGHT*.

FOR EXAMPLE:

Here is a poem written at 0857 hours that is directly associated by
temporal relativity to the noumena conveying two explicit CATEGORIES OF
UNDERSTANDING that whilst linguistically HEBREW / GREEK {ie. 24 x 7 x 13 =
#2,184 / #364 = 6D as ‘OTH being a cosmological anthropic principle
defining ratiocination: 22 / 7} operate as an equivalent of electronic STEM
cells by which DYNAMIC NATURAL ASSOCIATIONS occur as fostering of IDEAS
with other media types.

That the CATEGORIES are then redacted to their bifurcation of male / feme
pairing so as to ascertain the GNOMIC IMPERATIVE instruction set substrata
relationship and its OSMOSIS intersection points to the noumena operation
of MIND by the dialectic of INTELLECTUS AS GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTUS:

— FINE AND DANDY —

“MY HAIR IS NEVER A MESS.
JUST NUMBER TWO WAHL.
I LOVE 💕 WASH AND WEAR.
IT’S SO EASY TO BARBER.

AND I MUST CONFESS.
THERE’S NO EYES KOHL.
BEING BLONDE ‘N FAIR.
THE LOOK TO HARBOUR.”

H1548@{
   #1: Sup: 5; Ego: 5,
   #2: Sup: 81; Ego: 76,
   #3: Sup: 3; Ego: 3,
   #4: Sup: 33; Ego: 30,
   #5: Sup: 41; Ego: 8,
   #6: Sup: 47; Ego: 6,
   Male: #210; Feme: #128
} // #452

#452 as [#5, #400, #3, #30, #8, #6] = galach (H1548): {#2 as #41} 1) to
poll, shave, shave off, be bald; 1a) (Piel); 1a1) to shave; 1a2) to shave
off; 1a3) (figurative of devastation); 1b) (Pual) to be shaven; 1c)
(Hithpael) to shave oneself;

G3659@{
   #1: Sup: 70; Ego: 70,
   #2: Sup: 29; Ego: 40,
   #3: Sup: 69; Ego: 40,
   #4: Sup: 70; Ego: 1,
   #5: Sup: 46; Ego: 57,
   #6: Sup: 47; Ego: 1,
   Male: #331; Feme: #209
} // #452

#452 as [#70, #40, #40, #1, #300, #1] = omma (G3659): {#15 as #151} 1) an
eye;

Transformative Prototype: *HOMOIOS* {#344 / #452} / HETEROS {#326 / #443}

0857HOURS: 4.4.5.31.0@{
#1: Sup: 45; Ego: 45,
#2: Sup: 25; Ego: 61,
#3: Sup: 46; Ego: 21,
#4: Sup: 77; Ego: 31,
#5: Sup: 33; Ego: 37,
#6: Sup: 11; Ego: 59,
#7: Sup: 11; Ego: 81,
#8: Sup: 49; Ego: 38,
#9: Sup: 47; Ego: 79,
Male: 344; Feme: 452
}

<http://www.grapple369.com/?time:8.57>

***@zen: 4, row: 4, col: 5, nous: 31 [Super: #344 / #77 - Natural
Guide, Heaven's Reason; I-Ching: H12 - Obstruction, Standstill
(stagnation), Selfish persons; Tetra: 57 - Guardedness, Ego: #452 / #31 -
Military Stratagem, Quelling War; I-Ching: H32 - Perseverance, Endurance,
Duration, Constancy; Tetra: 51 - Constancy]

Marx criticized classical materialism as another idealist
philosophy—idealist because of its transhistorical understanding of
material contexts. The Young Hegelian Ludwig Feuerbach had rejected Hegel's
idealistic philosophy and advocated materialism. Despite being strongly
influenced by Feuerbach, Marx rejected Feuerbach's version of materialism
as inconsistent. The writings of Engels, especially Anti-Dühring (1878) and
Dialectics of Nature (1875–82), were the source of the main doctrines of
dialectical materialism.

Marx's own writings are almost exclusively concerned with understanding
human history in terms of systemic processes, based on modes of production
(broadly speaking, the ways in which societies are organized to employ
their technological powers to interact with their material surroundings).
This is called historical materialism. More narrowly, within the framework
of this general theory of history, most of Marx's writing is devoted to an
analysis of the specific structure and development of the capitalist
economy.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism>

FATHOMING #72 - ANTHROPIC PROTOTYPE (ECONOMY) DIALECTIC OF PYTHAGORAS
HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER AS BEING EQUIVALENT TO THE CHINESE I-CHING BINARY
RATHER THAN TERNARY APPARATUS:

48 8 64
56 40 24
16 72 32 = #120 / #360 {#EIGHT}

#8 (9) - KHATEL (Seraphim-Angels) = #8
#16 (8) - HAQMYAH (Cherubim-Angels) = #24
#24 (7) - HAHOUYAH (Throne-Angels) = #48
#32 (6) - OUSHRYAH (Dominion-Angels) = #80
#40 (5) - YEIZEL (Powers-Angels) = #120 <--- [*HITLER'S* *TABLE* *TALK*
IDEA @120 ON 24TH JANUARY 1942 (A FUTURE REFORMER OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM):
One day the English will realise that they've nothing to gain in Europe...
*IF* *THEY* *WANT* *TO* *SAVE* *NEW* *ZEALAND* *AND* *AUSTRALIA*, they
can't let India go.

The English have two possibilities : either to give up Europe and hold on
to the East, or vice versa. They can't bet on both tables. When it's a
matter of the richest country in the world (from the capitalist point of
view), one understands the importance of such a *DILEMMA* (NOTE: SEE ON
RELATIONSHIP TO A LEGAL LOGICAL SYLLOGISM AN EXPLANATION GIVEN WITHIN:

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/Pinocchio.pdf>

). It would be enough for them to be aware of it for everything to be
changed.

PAGE #609 (REVISITING BATTLEFIELDS): The *SOLDIER* *HAS* *A* *BOUNDLESS*
*AFFECTION* *FOR* *THE* *GROUND* *ON* *WHICH* *HE* *HAS* *SHED* *HIS*
*BLOOD*. IF WE COULD ARRANGE THE TRANSPORT, WE *SHOULD* *HAVE* *A*
*MILLION* *PEOPLE* *POURING* *INTO* *FRANCE* *TO* *REVISIT* *THE* *SCENES*
*OF* *THEIR* *FORMER* [*BOER* / *ANZAC*] *STRUGGLE*. [HITLER'S TABLE TALK
IDEA @120 / PAGE #609 (REVISITING BATTLEFIELDS)]

#48 (4) - MIHEL (Virtues-Angels) = #168
#56 (3) - PHOHEL (Principalities-Angels) = #224 {*MENS* *REA*: #334 as
[#40, #4, #200, #20, #10, #20, #40] = derek (H1870): {#1 as #224} 1) way,
road, distance, journey, manner; 1a) road, way, path; 1b) journey; 1c)
direction; 1d) manner, habit, way; 1e) of course of life (figurative); 1f)
of moral character (figurative)}



<http://www.grapple369.com/images/TempleCoin.jpg>

[IMAGE: By week ending Saturday 8 April 2018 I had received one of these
special 1000 minted "TRUMP JEWISH TEMPLE" half shekel coins.

It is my intellectual property associated with the letters patent to the
Australian commonwealth which makes that entirely possible]

#224 as [#4, #70, #20, #10, #40, #70, #10] = dokimos (G1384): {#61 as #224}
1) accepted, particularly of coins and money; 2) accepted, pleasing,
acceptable

#64 (2) - MEHIEL (Archangels-Angels) = #288 as ANTI-SEMITISM: #364 as [#10,
#8, #200, #80, #6, #50, #10] = charaph (H2778): {#1 as #288 *INTERFERENCE*
*AS* *EVIDENCE* *OF* *ANTI*-*SEMITISM*} 1) to reproach, taunt, *BLASPHEME*,
defy, jeopardise, rail, upbraid; 2) (Qal) to *WINTER*, spend harvest time,
remain in harvest time; 3) (Niphal) to acquire, *BE* *BETROTHED*; 1a) (Qal)
*TO* *REPROACH*; 1b) (Piel) *TO* *REPROACH*, *DEFY*, *TAUNT*;

*BEERSHEBA* {*BEER* {a *WELL*: AUM #288 as [#8, #80, #200] = To cut in,
dig; to search out, *TO* *SPY*; to turn red (with shame); to be ashamed; a
hole; n. Blushing, Pit or *WELL*} *SHEBA* {*CAPTIVITY*; *OLD* *MAN*;
*REPOSE*; *OATH*}

#72 (1) - MOUMYAH (Angels-Angels) = #360

For his part, Engels applies a "dialectical" approach to the natural world
in general, arguing that contemporary science is increasingly recognizing
the necessity of viewing natural processes in terms of interconnectedness,
development, and transformation. Some scholars have doubted that Engels's
"dialectics of nature" is a legitimate extension of Marx's approach to
social processes.

Other scholars have argued that despite Marx's insistence that humans are
natural beings in an evolving, mutual relationship with the rest of nature,
Marx's own writings pay inadequate attention to the ways in which human
agency is constrained by such factors as biology, geography, and ecology.

However the HOMOIOS ternary conception of NUMBER of which Immanuel Kant is
cognisant of within his Critique of Pure Reason deploys a dialectic:

+ 0, 27, 54 {ie. Realm of its Nature as Heaven - Formula of Universal Law}
+ 0, 9, 18 {ie. System's Cosmology as Earth - Formula of Humanity}
+ 0, 3, 6 {ie. Self identity - Formula of Autonomy}
+ 1, 2, 3 {ie. Formula of Progression of individual phenomena}

H27 + H9 + H3 + H2 = #41 as #CENTRE
H54 + H18 + H6 + H3 = #81 as #WAN WU

= TETRAGRAMMATON HIERARCHY VALUE AS HOMOIOS THEORY OF *NUMBER*.

+ 0, 81, 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 {ie. ORGANIZATION OF THE MYRIAD OR *NUMBER* OF
THINGS (WAN WU) OF SOCIETY AND NATURE}

However when this trinomial HOMOIOS {#81 bits} conception of #NUMBER
deploys a binomial encapsulation a logical contradiction of its deployment
as HETEROS {@1 - GENDER {MARRIAGE} / @5 - PHALLUS {HERITAGE} conception of
#NUMBER:



<http://www.grapple369.com/images/yinyang.gif>

The Limitless (wuji) produces the delimited (youji), and this demarcation
is equivalent to the Absolute (taiji) or in Kabbalist language as the
Infinite Void /Nothingness (AIN SOF - Infinite Being) as The Primordial
Source.

The Taiji (the two opposing forces in embryonic form) produces two forms,
named yin-yang which are called Liangyi (the manifested opposing forces).

Yin (Passive/Female Principle) and Yang (Active/Male Principle)

These two forms produce four phenomena (Sìxiàng):

PROGRESSION: Lesser Yin (shaoyin: West / Autumn / Metal)
SYNTHESIS: Greater Yin (taiyin: North / Winter / Water and which also
refers to the Moon)

ANTI-THESIS: Lesser Yang (shaoyang: East / Spring / Wood )
THESIS: Greater Yang (taiyang: South / Summer / Fire and which also refers
to the Sun)

These four phenomena (Sìxiàng) act on the eight trigrams (Bagua) which are
used within Daoist cosmology to represent the fundamental principles of
reality, seen as a range of eight interrelated concepts associated only to
nature’s process of PHUSIS as growth (by germination or expansion), that
is, (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension a
genus or sort; figuratively native disposition, constitution or
usage:—([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).

You’ll notice from the Kabbalist notion of the #VOWELS which I have just
summarily conveyed above, that they may well conform to our RATIOCINATION
paradigm and thusly given the #231 / #351 inclusions within this
INDESTRUCTIBLE THOUGHT ATOM it then provides the best natural defence
against any religious extremist ideology: @1 / @5.

GIVEN THE *MAJOR* *PREMISE* {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law} of circa 1550 BCE, which contains the law of that will: 7 x
24 *COURSES* *OF* *PRIESTLY* *DIVISIONS* x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle
= 6D or 6 x 364 associated to the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as
354 x 3 + 30 day intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days

<— RATIONAL PI AS THE BASIS FOR RATIOCINATION IS IMPLICIT WITHIN THIS
COSMOLOGICAL COMPREHENSION

We ought then to be able to deploy Hebrew (22) / Greek (24) Categories of
Understanding interchangeably and we also can use English.

BECAUSE THE ENGLISH VOWELS: A-E-I-O-U APPEAR TO BE DERIVED FROM THE HEBREW:

#A (#1) = {Inner?} - #SOUTH
#E (#5) = {Totality?} - #CENTRE
#I (#9) = {Sphere?} - #NORTH
#O (#60) = {Polarity?} - #WEST? {#SAMEK as the 15th Hebrew Letter}
#U (#300) = {Harmony?} - #EAST {ie. determined as such by Pythagorean
redaction method using the Greco-Roman magic square as frame of reference}

And just like the Hebrew final form letters these start at the
chronological plane as the 4th - Nature amended in it Nature:





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[IMAGE: NATURE’S METHODOLOGY AS PROCESS OF THE GREEK NOTION OF PHUSIS:
growth (by germination or expansion), that is, (by implication) natural
production (lineal descent); by extension a genus or sort; figuratively
native disposition, constitution or usage:—([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]) AS
NOT ASSOCIATED TO ANY GOD]

THUS AS BINOMIAL HEXAGRAM (64 bit) ENCAPSULATION A LOGICAL CONTRADICTION OF
ITS DEPLOYMENT AS HETEROS {@1 - GENDER {MARRIAGE} / @5 - PHALLUS {HERITAGE}
CONCEPTION OF #NUMBER:

PROGRESSION: Lesser Yin (shaoyin: West / Autumn / Metal)
+ 0, H27, H54 {ie. Realm of its Nature as Heaven - Formula of Universal
Law}

SYNTHESIS: Greater Yin (taiyin: North / Winter / Water and which also
refers to the Moon)
+ 0, H9, H18 {ie. System's Cosmology as Earth - Formula of Humanity}

ANTI-THESIS: Lesser Yang (shaoyang: East / Spring / Wood )
+ 0, H3, H6 {ie. Self identity - Formula of Autonomy}

THESIS: Greater Yang (taiyang: South / Summer / Fire and which also refers
to the Sun)
+ H1, H2, H3 {ie. Formula of Progression of individual phenomena}

Dialectic or dialectics (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to
dialogue), also known as the dialectical method, is at base a discourse
between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject
but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned arguments. Dialectic
resembles debate, but shorn of subjective elements such as emotional appeal
and the modern pejorative sense of rhetoric. It may be contrasted with the
didactic method where one side of the conversation teaches the other.

Within Hegelianism, dialectic acquires a specialised meaning of a
contradiction of ideas that serves as the determining factor in their
interaction; comprising three stages of development: a thesis, giving rise
to its reaction; an antithesis, which contradicts or negates the thesis;
and the tension between the two being resolved by means of a synthesis.

Dialectical materialism, built mainly by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels,
adapted the Hegelian dialectic into traditional materialism.

Dialectic tends to imply a process of evolution, and so does not naturally
fit within formal logic; see logic and dialectic. This is particularly
marked in Hegelian and even more Marxist dialectic which may rely on the
time-evolution of ideas in the real world; Dialectical logic attempts to
address this.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic>

That if this trinomial HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER a priori as PARADIGM
already has a conception of an INTELLECTUAL TETRAD {#8 - Transformation
Prototype} which as CANON OF SUPREME MYSTERY was associated to a LUNAR
event upon the midnight solstice of 21 December 103 BCE and published in 4
BCE is equivalent to the later implementation of PYTHAGOREAN binomial
HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER as the basis for the Julian calendar and the
subsequent Roman Empire Governance (and that of religionists):

VIRTUE as MIND: {#1 + #2 = #3} is PROGRESSION: Lesser Yin (shaoyin: West /
Autumn / Metal)

TOOLS as SCIENCE: {#3 + #4 = #7} is SYNTHESIS: Greater Yin (taiyin: North /
Winter / Water and which also refers to the Moon)

POSITION as OPINION: {#5 + #6 = #11 as Collegium of Pontiffs from 510 BCE
as AS PONTIFICATED DEIFIED IGNORANCE BEING NARCISSISM} is ANTI-THESIS:
Lesser Yang (shaoyang: East / Spring / Wood )

TIME as SENSE: {#7 + #8 = #15} is THESIS: Greater Yang (taiyang: South /
Summer / Fire and which also refers to the Sun)

= #36 (ie. H27 - Realm of its Nature as Heaven - Formula of Universal Law +
H9 - System's Cosmology as Earth - Formula of Humanity)

6x6 = #36 / #111 / #666 {#FIVE AS #CENTRE VALUE TO THE GNOME}

45 5 61
53 37 21
13 69 29

= #111 / #333 {#FIVE}

Whilst it may continue to function as an acceptable METHODOLOGY {ARCH KAI
TELOS OIDA: #1 + #2 + #3 +#4 = #10} with an encapsulated sphere of
operation {

41 1 57
49 33 17
9 65 25 = #99 / #297 {#ONE}

42 2 58
50 34 18
10 66 26 = #102 / #306 {#TWO}

43 3 59
51 35 19
11 67 27 = #105 / #315 {#THREE}

#419 as [#9, #2, #8, #400] = tabach (H2873): {#2 as #19 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH* / *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #THREE: #105 / #315} 1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill
ruthlessly; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to slaughter, butcher; 1a2) to slay, kill
ruthlessly (figurative);

44 4 60
52 36 20
12 68 28 = #108 / #324 {#FOUR}

#419 as [#2, #1, #6, #400, #10] = 'avvah (H185): {#0 as #12 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH*/ *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #FOUR: #108 / #324} 1) desire, lust, will (not necessarily
evil);

49 9 65
57 41 25
17 73 33 = #123 / #369 {#NINE} AS IT'S NATURAL PROGRESSION {#1 / #73
SUBSTITUTION}

74 81 76
79 77 75
78 73 80 = #231 - #108 = #123 / #693 - #369 = #324 {#TEN} AS RETURN TO
GRECO-ROMAN MAGIC SQUARE BEING ITSELF

}, it is entirely a specious notion to declare it is the root and causal
basis of the perennialist philosophical tradition.

My objection has always been ROMAN CATHOLICS / FREEMASONRY imposing {#17 /
#33 - #INR / #65 - SOLDIER} a @5 - substituted HETEROS ethic upon our {#390
/ #288 / #419} war dead and usurping the @1 - SOVEREIGNTY of the #391 -
HOMOIOS basis to our Commonwealth’s Governance which is defined as a
PRINCIPLE that is circumscribed {#13 / #21 / #37} by Queen Victoria’s
Letters Patent of 17 September 1900 as the instrumentation of Federation
into a nation.

MY BELIEF THAT THE QUINTESSENTIAL DIALECTIC ISSUE BETWEEN HEGEL AND MARX IS
THEN A QUESTION OF INVENTION AND CARRYING OUT POLITICAL CONSTITUTIONS
INDEPENDENTLY OF RELIGION FOR WHICH A DIALECTIC IS REQUISITE:

Hegel states the hypothesis: “Another and opposite folly which we meet with
in our time is that of pretending to invent and carry out political
constitutions independently of religion. The Catholic confession, although
sharing the Christian name with the Protestant, does not concede to the
State an inherent Justice and Morality, – a concession which in the
Protestant principle is fundamental. This tearing away of the political
morality of the Constitution from its natural connection, is necessary to
the genius of that religion, inasmuch as it does not recognise Justice and
Morality as independent and substantial. But thus excluded from intrinsic
worth, – torn away from their last refuge – the sanctuary of conscience –
the calm retreat where religion has its abode, – the principles and
institutions of political legislation are destitute of a real centre, to
the same decree as they are compelled to remain abstract and indefinite.

Summing up what has been said of the State, we find that we have been led
to call its vital principle, as actuating the individuals who compose it, –
Morality. The State, its laws, its arrangements, constitute the rights of
its members; its natural features, its mountains, air, and waters, are
their country, their fatherland, their outward material property; the
history of this State, their deeds; what their ancestors have produced,
belongs to them and lives in their memory. All is their possession, just as
they are possessed by it; for it constitutes their existence, their being.

Their imagination is occupied with the ideas thus presented, while the
adoption of these laws, and of a fatherland so conditioned is the
expression of their will. It is this matured totality which thus
constitutes one Being, the spirit of one People. To it the individual
members belong; each unit is the Son of his Nation, and at the same time –
in as far as the State to which he belongs is undergoing development – the
Son of his Age. None remains behind it, still less advances beyond it. This
spiritual Being (the Spirit of his Time) is his; he is a representative of
it; it is that in which he originated, and in which he lives.

MY SUGGESTION IS TO UTILISE THE VOLUNTĀTIS / NOLUNTĀTIS NOTION OF WILL as
the DIALECTIC and you'll note that the first line "NOW WAIT A TICK. {#1}"
to our POEM uses the dialectic: #1 - POSITION {#558} which as a GNOMIC
IMPERATIVE instruction set then EQUATES to MALE: #435; FEME: #315 and is
equivalent to the SUM of the #THREE MAGIC SQUARE within the Pythagorean
HETEROS schematic:

43 3 59
51 35 19
11 67 27 = #105 / #315 {#THREE}

#419 as [#9, #2, #8, #400] = tabach (H2873): {#2 as #19 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH* / *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #THREE: #105 / #315} 1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill
ruthlessly; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to slaughter, butcher; 1a2) to slay, kill
ruthlessly (figurative);

And you ought to note that we now have a technical capability to further
redefine the granularity of our hypothetical proposition: 'AUTONOMOUS
HYPOTHETICAL FLUIDITY THEORY' which was articulated some months ago. And
that is the capability of reducing each conceptual word of our functional
dialectic by which one can readily cognize a poem or propose into its own
sub-dialectic semantical stratum and obtain thereby the GNOMIC IMPERATIVE
instruction set.

For example our first dialectic element is:

#1 = Position {#558}

And if written thusly:

[P, o, s, i, t, i, o, n]

Then is numerically as gematria equivalent to:

[70, 60, 100, 9, 200, 9, 60, 50] = #558

But as a GNOMIC IMPERATIVE instruction set it is expressed as:

Event: POSITION@{
#1: Sup: 70; Ego: 70,
#2: Sup: 49; Ego: 60,
#3: Sup: 68; Ego: 19,
#4: Sup: 77; Ego: 9,
#5: Sup: 34; Ego: 38,
#6: Sup: 43; Ego: 9,
#7: Sup: 22; Ego: 60,
#8: Sup: 72; Ego: 50,
Male: #435; Feme: #315
}

#315 as [#5, #300, #10] = eti (G2089): {#14 as #315} 1) yet, still; 1a) of
time; 1a1) of a thing which went on formerly, whereas now a different state
of things exists or has begun to exist; 1a2) of a thing which continues at
present; 1a2a) even, now; 1a3) with negatives; 1a3a) no longer, no more;
1b) of degree and increase; 1b1) even, yet; 1b2) besides, more, further;

— AUTONOMOUS HYPOTHETICAL FLUIDITY THEORY —
{APPLIES EQUALLY TO GENDER IDENTITY}

{ie. *SANDGLASS* AND WHY AUSTRALIA'S PARLIAMENT USES IT WHEN THERE'S A
DIVISION IN THE HOUSE}

#1 = Position {#558} as MENTALISM [VIRTUE]: #1 - Will, free will, choice /
Remember the Sabbath Day
#2 = Poise {#244} / Pause {#476} as CORRESPONDENCE [TOOL]: #2 - desire,
inclination / Honour Parents
#3 = Purpose {#695} as VIBRATION [POSITION]: #3 - disposition towards
(something or someone) / Do Not Kill
#4 = Process {#428} as POLARITY [TIME / CENTRE]: #4 - favour, affection /
Do Not Commit Adultery (ie. Avoid Heteronomy Against Autonomy)
#5 = Pairing {#236} / DISCRIMINATING NORM (HUMAN NATURE) of RHYTHM or
CANON: #5 - last will, testament / Do Not Steal
#6 = Perspicacity {#1260} / BINDING NORM (NORMA OBLIGANS) as CAUSE AND
EFFECT [IMPLEMENTATION]: #6 - goal, object, purpose, intention / Do Not
Bear False Witness
#7 = Probability {#1173} / Prosperous {945} / MANIFESTING NORM (NORMA
DENUNTIANS) as as ENGENDERING / ENUMERATE [LIMIT]: #7 - signification,
import / Do Not Covet [LATIN definition: VOLUNTĀTIS]

#8 = Propriety {#1294} / TRANSFORMATIVE PROTOTYPE as PROTOCOL SELECTION: #1
- unwillingness
#9 = Persona {#376} / AUTONOMOUS PARADIGM as MIRRORED AUTONOMOUS PROTOTYPE
OF EACH OTHER'S SOVEREIGN AUTONOMY: #2 - ill will, negative disposition
(toward something) [LATIN definition: NOLUNTĀTIS]

YOUTUBE: "Om 108 Times - Music for Yoga & Meditation"

http://youtu.be/a29jzOHwwq0

#10 / #10 = Totality of Nature {#7 - Engendering Nature} / SOVEREIGNTY
#11 / #8 = Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: #4 - Nature Amended in it's Nature
{#7 - Engendering Nature}) / GOVERNMENT & NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANISATIONS
#12 / #9 = Autonomous Nature / GENERAL POPULACE

— RACHEL {WETHERED SHEEP} MAKES A PLEA —

"NOW WAIT A TICK. {#1}
YOU'RE DRIBBLING. {#2}
WHY THE SHTICK. {#3}
ENDLESS QUIBBLING. {#4}

O'ER THE PUERILE. {#5}
IMPISH LIMP STICK. {#6}
PRISSY LOATH'G BILE. {#7}
CEASELESS BRICK. {#8}

INSANE PUSSY CALLS. {#9}
BY A SENILE PRICK. {#10}
WITHOUT ANY BALLS. {#11}
MY FANNY LICK." {#12}

YOUTUBE: "Netta - TOY - Israel - Official Music Video (Eurovision 2018)”



"And Jesus {He is saved/A saviour; a deliverer} of Nazareth {Sovereign; one
chosen or set apart; separated; crowned; sanctified} answered and said unto
him, Blessed art thou, Simon {that hears; that obeys} Barjona {son of a
Jona; of a dove}: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but
my Father which is in heaven.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter {a rock or stone}, and upon
this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it.

— ESPRIT DE CORPS: 'FLANDERS SOIL' AS EXEMPLAR TRUE #CENTRE OF WILL
{INTELLECTUS AS GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTIS} —

"IN DEAD OF NIGHT. {MENTALISM: 1 x #41 = #41 as #1 - Will, free will,
choice / VIRTUE: 64 meta descriptor prototypes: Omne Datum Optimum {#1 -
Every perfect gift} (1139 CE) / Remember the Sabbath Day}

#2 - Nature Rejoices in its Nature: {DOUBLE: #1 - Nature Contains Nature
{#4 - Nature Amended in its Nature}}

I HEAR THE CLARION. {CORRESPONDENCE: 2 x #41 = #82 as #2 - desire,
inclination: Milites Templi {#2 - Soldiers of the Temple} (1144 CE) /
TOOLS: marriage / Honour Parents}

#393 as [#8, #90, #90, #200, #5] = chatsotserah (H2689): {#2 as #399} 1)
trumpet, clarion;

#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature: {DOUBLE: #2 - Nature Rejoices in its Nature
{#5 - Act of Nature}}

CALL AWAKE FOR WAR. {VIBRATION: 3 x #41 = #123 as #3 - disposition towards
(something or someone): Militia Dei {#3 - Soldiers of God} (1145 CE) /
POSITION: Soldier / Do Not Kill}

#4 - Nature Amended in its Nature / #1 - Nature Contains Nature: {DOUBLE:
#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature {#6 - Form of Nature}}

STEADFAST MIGHT. {POLARITY: 4 x #41 = #164 as #4 - favour, affection:
Pastoralis Praeeminentiae {#4 - Pastoral Pre-eminence to monarchs} (1307
CE) / TIME: #CENTRE and #INR / Do Not Commit Adultery (ie. Avoid Heteronomy
Against Autonomy)} [John 5:39-47 (KJV)]

#11 / #8 - Transforming Nature: {DOUBLE: #4 - Nature Amended in its Nature
{#7 - Engendering Nature}}

MARCHING TO SION. {RHYTHM: 5 x #41 = #205 as #5 - last will, testament:
Faciens misericordiam {#5 - Granting forgiveness} (1308 CE) / CANON: RHYTHM
& HARMONY / Do Not Steal} / DISCRIMINATING NORM (HUMAN NATURE),

SUPER (MALE) / EGO (FEMALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER:
#13 - Status, Loathing Shame; I-Ching: H5 - Waiting, Delay, Attending,
Moistened, Arriving; Tetra: 17 - Holding Back / INNER: #11 - Value and
Function of Non-Existence; I-Ching: H8 - Closeness, Seeking Unity,
Grouping, Holding together, Alliance; Tetra: 33 - Closeness}

V - The Governor General may on Our behalf exercise all powers under the
Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act, 1900, or otherwise in respect
of the summoning, proroguing, or dissolving the Parliament of Our said
Commonwealth.

POLICE AS #123 - *A* *MEMBER* *OF* *A* *GUILD*, *ORDER*, *CLASS* OR #65 -
SOLDIERS IN THE GARDEN: “Then Simon {that hears; that obeys} Peter {a rock
or stone as euphemism for testicles as opposed to phallus of #CENTRE}
having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off
his right ear {#237 - *USE* *OF* *FORCE* / #277 - *RIGHT* *TO* *PLACE* *A*
*TEST*}. The servant's name was Malchus {my king, kingdom, or counsellor}.”
[John 18:10 (KJV)]

AGAINST THIS WHORE. {CAUSE AND EFFECT: 6 x #41 = #246 as #6 - goal, object,
purpose, intention: Ad providam {#6 - To Foresee / For Providence} (1312
CE) / IMPLEMENTATION: HETEROS (binomial / bifurcated) THEORY OF NUMBER / Do
Not Bear False Witness} / BINDING NORM (NORMA OBLIGANS),

#20 / #8 - Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: #6 - Form of Nature {#9 -
Autonomous Nature} [#505 / #1 - Nature Contains Nature]

IMPLEMENTATION: {GRAVITAS: ASSISTING (#RESH to #TAU)} / DEFINE THE @1
SOVEREIGN PRINCIPLE CHARACTERISTIC HERE

SUPER (MALE) / EGO (FEMALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER:
#19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism, Returning to Simplicity; I-Ching: H57
- Compliance, Gentle Penetration/Wind, Ground, Calculations; Tetra: 58 -
Gathering In / INNER: #13 - Status, Loathing Shame; I-Ching: H5 - Waiting,
Delay, Attending, Moistened, Arriving; Tetra: 17 - Holding Back}

VIII - And We do hereby REQUIRE and COMMAND ALL OUR OFFICERS AND MINISTERS,
CIVIL AND MILITARY, AND ALL OTHER THE INHABITANTS of Our said Commonwealth
TO BE OBEDIENT, AIDING, AND ASSISTING unto Our said Governor General, or,
in the event of his death, INCAPACITY, or absence, to such person or
persons as may, FROM TIME TO TIME, under the PROVISIONS OF THESE OUR
LETTERS PATENT, ADMINISTER THE GOVERNMENT of Our said Commonwealth.

ARREST THE BLIGHT." {ENGENDERING / ENUMERATE: 7 x #41 = #287 as #7 -
signification, import: Vox in excelso {#7 - The voice on high} (1312 CE) /
LIMIT: #INR AS TERNIO ANAGRAM / Do Not Covet} MANIFESTING NORM (NORMA
DENUNTIANS). [LATIN definition: VOLUNTĀTIS]

7 x #41 = #287 as [#1, #50, #1, #3, #20, #1, #10, #1, #200] = anagkaios
(G316): {#9 as #356} 1) necessary; 1a) what one can not do without,
indispensable; 1b) connected by bonds of nature or friendship; 1c) what
ought according to the law of duty be done, what is required by the
circumstances;

#22 / #10 - Totality of Nature {DOUBLE: #7 - Engendering Nature {#10 -
Totality of Nature}} [#870 / #6 - Form of Nature]

SUPER (MALE) / EGO (FEMALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER:
#60 - Skill Rulership, Maintain One's Place; I-Ching: H15 - Modesty,
Humbling; Tetra: 5 - Keeping Small / INNER: #9 - Inconstancy of
Achievement, Practicing Placidity; I-Ching: H7 - The Army, Leading, Troops;
Tetra: 32 - Legion}

X - And We do further direct and enjoin that these Our Letters Patent shall
be read and proclaimed at such place or places as Our said Governor General
shall think fit within Our said Commonwealth of Australia.

[In witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent
Witness Ourself at Westminster the 29th October, 1900: 64th year of Our
reign (Queen Victoria)]



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[IMAGE: LETTERS PATENT TO THE FEDERATION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
OF 1901 Represented by a Theoretical Mathematical Trinomial Noumenon as
Intellectual Property]

8 x #41 = % #328 as #INNER {FEMALE (EGO)} / TRANSFORMATIVE PROTOTYPE as
PROTOCOL SELECTION: #1 - unwillingness
9 x #41 = % #369 as #INNER {FEMALE (EGO)} / AUTONOMOUS PARADIGM as MIRRORED
AUTONOMOUS PROTOTYPE OF EACH OTHER'S SOVEREIGN AUTONOMY: #2 - ill will,
negative disposition (toward something) [LATIN definition: NOLUNTĀTIS]

<http://www.grapple369.com?idea:{41}&idea:{82}&idea:{123}&idea:{164}&idea:{205}&idea:{246}&idea:{287}&idea:{328}&idea:{369}>

*VOLUNTY* (noun):
[ETYMOLOGY]: coined by Robert Fludd (17 January 1574 – 8 September 1637)
from Latin voluntās f (genitive voluntātis).
- (obsolete) The positive aspect of God, encompassing light, love,
creation, etc.
- *YANG*: From early romanizations of Chinese 陽/阳 (yáng), originally in
reference to the sunny side of areas {*IT* *IS* *NOT* *GEMATRIA*} such as
mountains and dwellings.
- (philosophy) A principle in Chinese and related East Asian philosophies
associated with bright, hot, masculine, etc. elements of the natural world.


*NOLUNTY* (noun):
[ETYMOLOGY]: coined by Robert Fludd (17 January 1574 – 8 September 1637)
from Latin nōluntās f (genitive nōluntātis).
- (obsolete) The negative aspect of God, encompassing darkness, cold,
destruction, etc.
- *YIN*: From early romanizations of Chinese 陰/阴 (yīn), originally used in
reference to shaded areas {*IT* *IS* *NOT* *UMBRA* *AS* *GEMATRIA*
*MORPHOLOGICAL* *SUBSTITUTION*}, as of a mountain or home.
- (philosophy) A principle in Chinese and related East Asian philosophies
associated with dark, cool, female, etc. elements of the natural world.
- Robert Fludd was born at Milgate House, Bearsted and was the son of Sir
Thomas Fludd, a high-ranking governmental official (Queen Elizabeth I’s
treasurer for war in Europe), and Member of Parliament.

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou
shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." [Matthew 16:17-19 (KJV)]

Thus I define a 22 level DIALECTIC FORMULATION which is required for the
human process of RATIOCINATION and that deploys META-PRINCIPLES as
principles of NATURE which apply to the VOLUNTĀTIS / NOLUNTĀTIS NOTION OF
WILL as the simple DIALECTIC (with its complex DOUBLE TWINING traditional
understanding of the HEBREW LETTERS):

#1 - Nature Contains Nature
#2 - Nature Rejoices in its Nature
#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature
#4 - Nature Amended in its Nature
#5 - Act of Nature
#6 - Form of Nature
#7 - Engendering of Nature
#8 - Transforming Nature
#9 - Autonomous Nature
#10 - Totality of Nature

I ought to add that the binomial HETEROS methodology may continue to
adequately function {ie. with #288 - UMBRA compliance} between SOVEREIGN
STATES {9x9x9 = #729 / #364.5} which conform their governance regime to a
HOMOIOS paradigm.

In the historical sense the mechanism of EQUILIBRIUM which is essential for
OSMOSIS {ie. the process of gradual or unconscious assimilation of ideas,
knowledge, etc} can occur by the protocol notion of HRUMACHIS - #330 - 'The
Holy Spirit of Truth and Justice'.

For yet again notice that the Key Letter of the Change from the First to
the Second Order is Aleph (#1 - vOrange), and the changed letters in the
Third Order are He (#5 - vBronze), Resh (#200 - vPurple), Vau (#6 - vRed),
Mem (#40 - vBlue), Cheth (#8), Yod (#10 - vGreen), Sameck (#60 - vYellow),
so that in all we (the adherents to the Cult of ATEN) have the one Secret
Name: HRUMACHIS - #330 - 'The Holy Spirit of Truth and Justice'." [Frater
Achad, Q.B.L. or The Bride's Reception]

But I would augment this with the Lamed (#30 - vCyan) and Tsade {#80 -
vCoral) as we can determine a reprise point for rational PI as 22 / 7 from
the New Moon / Equinox cycle of Wed 20 March 1996 / #0 = Thu 21 March 1996
as New Moon.

AND IN CONSIDERATION OF THE TRANSLATION:
Iran's goal is to eradicate six million Jews. This was claimed by Israel's
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during his visit to Russia this week,
Bloomberg reports.

This week, the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, visited Russia
to persuade the country's president, Vladimir Putin, not to stop Israel
from attacking Syria.

THUS IN CONSIDERATION OF THE QUINTESSENTIAL DIALECTIC ISSUE BETWEEN HEGEL
AND MARX AS A QUESTION OF THE INVENTION AND CARRYING OUT POLITICAL
CONSTITUTIONS INDEPENDENTLY OF RELIGION FOR WHICH A HOMOIOS RATHER THAN
HETEROS DIALECTIC OF {22 HEBREW LETTERS OF RATIONAL PI: 22 / 7 -
VOLUNTĀTUS} RATIOCINATION IS PREREQUISITE.

THEREFORE IF VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS TO PROPERLY CONFORM TO MARXIST IDEALISM, HE
WOULD NOT STOP ISRAEL FROM ATTACKING SYRIA.

That was a brief outline to contribute to fostering an Intellectual
discussion.

SEE ALSO: “EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ON CAUSE CÉLÈBRE JINGOISTIC BEHAVIOUR AS BEING
BOER / ANZAC DEFAMATION BY RACIAL, RELIGIOUS AND PSYCHO-SEXUAL HATRED”

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/419-Slaughter.pdf>

- dolf

Initial Post: 12 May 2018
--
YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"

http://youtu.be/H-7OuqWi4vQ

SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private “Saint Andrews” Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

<http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip> (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS
Post by John Going
There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not
learned through study.
Your money and property are not yours.
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from
you in the form of fees or taxes.
There is no democracy.
Independence is discouraged.
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and
survive independently.
Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of
socialist tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
 
--
YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"

http://youtu.be/H-7OuqWi4vQ

SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private “Saint Andrews” Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

<http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip> (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS
D***@teikyopost.edu
2018-05-12 22:34:18 UTC
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There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
The worldwide influence of German Social Democracy was truly
profound. Its advance, following the 1912 German Federal Election,
was stunted by the outbreak of World War I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_1912
Fran
2018-05-12 23:32:25 UTC
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There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
(snip)
Post by John Going
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers,
Jesus wept. Another dimwit who doesn't know the difference between
socialism and fascism.
Byker
2018-05-13 18:27:18 UTC
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There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.

Jos Boersema
2018-05-16 17:31:20 UTC
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There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
There is in my version of Socialism (market.socialism.nl), because all
you have is your free land as a birthright of equal value to the others
in the Nation, you have your vote in the State, and then ... you got
to eat. Good luck. Do something. If you do it well, you will be well to
do. If you sit on your arse, you will in principle be dead in a matter
of weeks from starvation, as it should be.

Do you dare to be free, John ? Do you dare to own land and allow
others to own the same ?
Post by John Going
Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.
Not in my version of Socialism (which I loosely term "market
socialism.").
Post by John Going
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not
learned through study.
Are you an American, John ? It is usually Americans who start ranting
against the term Socialism, without specification.
Post by John Going
Your money and property are not yours.
Not in my version of (market) Socialism. Your money is yours, and so
is your property. However, you shall not become a feudal - Capitalist
baron, repressing the others in the Nation under your massively
centralized control of enormous swaths of natural resources, cartel
or monopoly corporate operations, and other ultra-rich shenanigans
which destroy the freedom and opportunity of the people and the market.

Your money and property are not yours, in Capitalism: your money is
dependent upon your corporate Boss, and your property you need to rent
from your home rental Boss. You do not have your right to land, which
means you are a helpless serf. I put things in stark colors for clarity,
but this is what western so-called "Capitalism" eventually develops
into, because it cannot maintain a level playing field for the
population. Everything centralizes, until it becomes a centrally planned
economy, or the system breaks down before that, which is quite likely
because people are not likely to accept such totalitarian control
anymore.
Post by John Going
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from
you in the form of fees or taxes.
What "socialists" are you talking about, the ones financed by the
Capitalists of the US State Department, such as the likes of
Otpor/CANVAS, and its offshoots ? Tools to bring Nazis to power
in Ukraine, or earlier to whitewash the NATO terror bombing in
Yugoslavia ? You mean those Socialists, who work for the Capitalist
gangsters at the Council of Foreign Relations, and the puppets
deployed by them: American presidents and heads of US State departments ?
Post by John Going
There is no democracy.
In my version of "market Socialism" you get more democracy then you
might be able to deal with. Do you dare to live in a real democracy,
where you can immediately replace your representative, for any reason,
and elect the same in a group of only 50 persons, a group small enough
so that you can be heard, if you have the capacity to listen to others ?
Post by John Going
Independence is discouraged.
As you may have noticed, independence is the bread and butter of my
version of Socialism. What version are you ranting about, the system
made up by Lenin, who was financed by the Capitalists / fascists and
far right scum in the German army high command ? Those "Socialists" ?
Post by John Going
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and
survive independently.
Oh boy, we got ourselves an anarchist. Never mind. Government is the
commission to handle the day to day details of the common good, as
so ordered point by point by the People, and for as long as that order
is outstanding. You need someone to do that. Someone needs to build
that bridge, someone needs to hunt down that criminal, etc.
Post by John Going
Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of
socialist tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
The reason Socialism as a movement exists, is because Capitalism proved
to be a fraud and it proved to be hell. The question is then how to deal
with the historical failure of (laissez faire) Capitalism. This problem
has not yet historically been answered. The Capitalists have hit back
by creating superficial and damaging forms of counter movements, such
as Communism and Karl Marx / Engels, Lenin, and so on. Communism is a
substantial distraction for the labor class, from which confusion the
Capitalists have profiten greatly.

It was a Divide & Conquer system, either so intended (which I think it
was, because things are more controlled then they seem, everything depends
on funding or you just wouldn't hear about it), or by accident. Communism
is a flavor of Capitalism: the control of society through the control of
the Capital goods and the Capital city itself. These mechanisms go back
to ancient Rome, and even before that, the tyrannical Empires with their
god King and god Queen at the center of everything, including the markets
(that is a very long time ago, around the eastern medditeranian sea).
This is at least what I have tried to understand of things in the past,
from the historians / archeologists.
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Reasoning, implementation plans, example Constitutions, forum, software.
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2018-05-16 18:07:07 UTC
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Post by John Going
There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
There is in my version of Socialism (market.socialism.nl), because all
you have is your free land as a birthright of equal value to the others
in the Nation, you have your vote in the State, and then ... you got
to eat. Good luck. Do something. If you do it well, you will be well to
do. If you sit on your arse, you will in principle be dead in a matter
of weeks from starvation, as it should be.
Do you dare to be free, John ? Do you dare to own land and allow
others to own the same ?
Post by John Going
Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.
Not in my version of Socialism (which I loosely term "market
socialism.").
Post by John Going
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not
learned through study.
Are you an American, John ? It is usually Americans who start ranting
against the term Socialism, without specification.
Post by John Going
Your money and property are not yours.
Not in my version of (market) Socialism. Your money is yours, and so
is your property. However, you shall not become a feudal - Capitalist
baron, repressing the others in the Nation under your massively
centralized control of enormous swaths of natural resources, cartel
or monopoly corporate operations, and other ultra-rich shenanigans
which destroy the freedom and opportunity of the people and the market.
What countries currently use this 'Market socialism' as it seems to be
a mix between capitalism and socialism.
Post by Jos Boersema
Your money and property are not yours, in Capitalism: your money is
dependent upon your corporate Boss, and your property you need to rent
from your home rental Boss. You do not have your right to land, which
means you are a helpless serf. I put things in stark colors for clarity,
but this is what western so-called "Capitalism" eventually develops
into, because it cannot maintain a level playing field for the
population. Everything centralizes, until it becomes a centrally planned
economy, or the system breaks down before that, which is quite likely
because people are not likely to accept such totalitarian control
anymore.
Wall Street?
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by John Going
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from
you in the form of fees or taxes.
What "socialists" are you talking about, the ones financed by the
Capitalists of the US State Department, such as the likes of
Otpor/CANVAS, and its offshoots ? Tools to bring Nazis to power
in Ukraine, or earlier to whitewash the NATO terror bombing in
Yugoslavia ? You mean those Socialists, who work for the Capitalist
gangsters at the Council of Foreign Relations, and the puppets
deployed by them: American presidents and heads of US State departments ?
Post by John Going
There is no democracy.
In my version of "market Socialism" you get more democracy then you
might be able to deal with. Do you dare to live in a real democracy,
where you can immediately replace your representative, for any reason,
and elect the same in a group of only 50 persons, a group small enough
so that you can be heard, if you have the capacity to listen to others ?
Post by John Going
Independence is discouraged.
As you may have noticed, independence is the bread and butter of my
version of Socialism. What version are you ranting about, the system
made up by Lenin, who was financed by the Capitalists / fascists and
far right scum in the German army high command ? Those "Socialists" ?
Post by John Going
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and
survive independently.
Oh boy, we got ourselves an anarchist. Never mind. Government is the
commission to handle the day to day details of the common good, as
so ordered point by point by the People, and for as long as that order
is outstanding. You need someone to do that. Someone needs to build
that bridge, someone needs to hunt down that criminal, etc.
Post by John Going
Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of
socialist tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
The reason Socialism as a movement exists, is because Capitalism proved
to be a fraud and it proved to be hell. The question is then how to deal
with the historical failure of (laissez faire) Capitalism. This problem
has not yet historically been answered. The Capitalists have hit back
by creating superficial and damaging forms of counter movements, such
as Communism and Karl Marx / Engels, Lenin, and so on. Communism is a
substantial distraction for the labor class, from which confusion the
Capitalists have profiten greatly.
It was a Divide & Conquer system, either so intended (which I think it
was, because things are more controlled then they seem, everything depends
on funding or you just wouldn't hear about it), or by accident. Communism
is a flavor of Capitalism: the control of society through the control of
the Capital goods and the Capital city itself. These mechanisms go back
to ancient Rome, and even before that, the tyrannical Empires with their
god King and god Queen at the center of everything, including the markets
(that is a very long time ago, around the eastern medditeranian sea).
This is at least what I have tried to understand of things in the past,
from the historians / archeologists.
Jos Boersema
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Post by Jos Boersema
Post by John Going
There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
There is in my version of Socialism (market.socialism.nl), because all
you have is your free land as a birthright of equal value to the others
in the Nation, you have your vote in the State, and then ... you got
to eat. Good luck. Do something. If you do it well, you will be well to
do. If you sit on your arse, you will in principle be dead in a matter
of weeks from starvation, as it should be.
Do you dare to be free, John ? Do you dare to own land and allow
others to own the same ?
Post by John Going
Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.
Not in my version of Socialism (which I loosely term "market
socialism.").
Post by John Going
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not
learned through study.
Are you an American, John ? It is usually Americans who start ranting
against the term Socialism, without specification.
Post by John Going
Your money and property are not yours.
Not in my version of (market) Socialism. Your money is yours, and so
is your property. However, you shall not become a feudal - Capitalist
baron, repressing the others in the Nation under your massively
centralized control of enormous swaths of natural resources, cartel
or monopoly corporate operations, and other ultra-rich shenanigans
which destroy the freedom and opportunity of the people and the market.
What countries currently use this 'Market socialism' as it seems to be
a mix between capitalism and socialism.
None to my knowledge use the system as I proposed it in detail (which
is a lot of detail indeed), as you probably have guessed.

In a loose sense, I have seen on some documentary a story
about middle American Injuns, who still are able to live to a degree
by their own common knowledge (where most Injuns are repressed by
the white man), and thus they allow their own people a portion of free
land if they want to use it. Their rule was that if you do not make use
of your land for 3 years, it returns to the pot, so to say. They have
an interesting system of Governance also, where positions are earned
by people who do many jobs for the common good first. It worked for
them.

I do not know how they handle dictatorial businesses, or cartels
and monopolies, or insane levels of wealth concentration. I suspect
these aspects are unknown in their culture, or at least unknown now,
and therefore they may not need laws, however it would be interesting
to ask them their opinion.

I found a remarkably similar system of economics in the Torah (Jewish
law). It follows the same principles similar on the points of land
ownership, and law against for profit loans, but implements these
principles rather differently. For example in the Torah, people get
their right to land restored in a single common year (the 50th year),
whereas in my system you can retreive your land from a loan quicker
(Chapter 9 of proposed Constitution https://market.socialism.nl/law).
Whereas the Torah has a maximum on land rent fee of the value of the
coming harvests up to the next 50th year ("Jubilee"), in my model
I also found it necessary (prudent) to set a land rent maximum, however
I leave it for the Government to define it.

A few things in a functioning economy are essential. Without doing
those things correctly, you will not have a working system, and you
will have not understood what markets are for. The most important
thing is that natural resources are free to access for all, limited
by the right of others to do the same, and limited not to destroy
from overuse (obviously, some common sense and law will help). Second
would be to prevent the accumulation of infinite wealth, which turns
the market into a centralized dictatorship (planned economy). In
this department it is important to deal with money games such as
loans and the rest of it. Modern western economics laughs at these
important issues, and therefore the economy is always in the news:
it is not working, and spiraling out of control, as usual, and into
war ...

Obviously this is all my opinion. It also depends on how well behaved
people are, and how much they want to use their brain, as to what kind
of a system of society they are able to handle. It depends on what
people want: do they want war or peace, do they want to talk to each
other as adults or vent their frustrations and emotions by shouting
others down, etc. In any case however, I belief it will be a good thing
if there is at least a minority group who gets things right a little
more then most ideologies originating in western culture. It can inspire
a good thing here or there, I hope.
Post by MattB
Post by Jos Boersema
Your money and property are not yours, in Capitalism: your money is
dependent upon your corporate Boss, and your property you need to rent
from your home rental Boss. You do not have your right to land, which
means you are a helpless serf. I put things in stark colors for clarity,
but this is what western so-called "Capitalism" eventually develops
into, because it cannot maintain a level playing field for the
population. Everything centralizes, until it becomes a centrally planned
economy, or the system breaks down before that, which is quite likely
because people are not likely to accept such totalitarian control
anymore.
Wall Street?
What do you imply ?
Post by MattB
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by John Going
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from
you in the form of fees or taxes.
What "socialists" are you talking about, the ones financed by the
Capitalists of the US State Department, such as the likes of
Otpor/CANVAS, and its offshoots ? Tools to bring Nazis to power
in Ukraine, or earlier to whitewash the NATO terror bombing in
Yugoslavia ? You mean those Socialists, who work for the Capitalist
gangsters at the Council of Foreign Relations, and the puppets
deployed by them: American presidents and heads of US State departments ?
Post by John Going
There is no democracy.
In my version of "market Socialism" you get more democracy then you
might be able to deal with. Do you dare to live in a real democracy,
where you can immediately replace your representative, for any reason,
and elect the same in a group of only 50 persons, a group small enough
so that you can be heard, if you have the capacity to listen to others ?
Post by John Going
Independence is discouraged.
As you may have noticed, independence is the bread and butter of my
version of Socialism. What version are you ranting about, the system
made up by Lenin, who was financed by the Capitalists / fascists and
far right scum in the German army high command ? Those "Socialists" ?
Post by John Going
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and
survive independently.
Oh boy, we got ourselves an anarchist. Never mind. Government is the
commission to handle the day to day details of the common good, as
so ordered point by point by the People, and for as long as that order
is outstanding. You need someone to do that. Someone needs to build
that bridge, someone needs to hunt down that criminal, etc.
Post by John Going
Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of
socialist tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
The reason Socialism as a movement exists, is because Capitalism proved
to be a fraud and it proved to be hell. The question is then how to deal
with the historical failure of (laissez faire) Capitalism. This problem
has not yet historically been answered. The Capitalists have hit back
by creating superficial and damaging forms of counter movements, such
as Communism and Karl Marx / Engels, Lenin, and so on. Communism is a
substantial distraction for the labor class, from which confusion the
Capitalists have profiten greatly.
It was a Divide & Conquer system, either so intended (which I think it
was, because things are more controlled then they seem, everything depends
on funding or you just wouldn't hear about it), or by accident. Communism
is a flavor of Capitalism: the control of society through the control of
the Capital goods and the Capital city itself. These mechanisms go back
to ancient Rome, and even before that, the tyrannical Empires with their
god King and god Queen at the center of everything, including the markets
(that is a very long time ago, around the eastern medditeranian sea).
This is at least what I have tried to understand of things in the past,
from the historians / archeologists.
--
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Reasoning, implementation plans, example Constitutions, forum, software.
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2018-05-17 19:43:08 UTC
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Post by Jos Boersema
Post by MattB
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by John Going
There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
There is in my version of Socialism (market.socialism.nl), because all
you have is your free land as a birthright of equal value to the others
in the Nation, you have your vote in the State, and then ... you got
to eat. Good luck. Do something. If you do it well, you will be well to
do. If you sit on your arse, you will in principle be dead in a matter
of weeks from starvation, as it should be.
Do you dare to be free, John ? Do you dare to own land and allow
others to own the same ?
Post by John Going
Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.
Not in my version of Socialism (which I loosely term "market
socialism.").
Post by John Going
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not
learned through study.
Are you an American, John ? It is usually Americans who start ranting
against the term Socialism, without specification.
Post by John Going
Your money and property are not yours.
Not in my version of (market) Socialism. Your money is yours, and so
is your property. However, you shall not become a feudal - Capitalist
baron, repressing the others in the Nation under your massively
centralized control of enormous swaths of natural resources, cartel
or monopoly corporate operations, and other ultra-rich shenanigans
which destroy the freedom and opportunity of the people and the market.
What countries currently use this 'Market socialism' as it seems to be
a mix between capitalism and socialism.
None to my knowledge use the system as I proposed it in detail (which
is a lot of detail indeed), as you probably have guessed.
In a loose sense, I have seen on some documentary a story
about middle American Injuns, who still are able to live to a degree
by their own common knowledge (where most Injuns are repressed by
the white man), and thus they allow their own people a portion of free
land if they want to use it. Their rule was that if you do not make use
of your land for 3 years, it returns to the pot, so to say. They have
an interesting system of Governance also, where positions are earned
by people who do many jobs for the common good first. It worked for
them.
I do not know how they handle dictatorial businesses, or cartels
and monopolies, or insane levels of wealth concentration. I suspect
these aspects are unknown in their culture, or at least unknown now,
and therefore they may not need laws, however it would be interesting
to ask them their opinion.
I found a remarkably similar system of economics in the Torah (Jewish
law). It follows the same principles similar on the points of land
ownership, and law against for profit loans, but implements these
principles rather differently. For example in the Torah, people get
their right to land restored in a single common year (the 50th year),
whereas in my system you can retreive your land from a loan quicker
(Chapter 9 of proposed Constitution https://market.socialism.nl/law).
Whereas the Torah has a maximum on land rent fee of the value of the
coming harvests up to the next 50th year ("Jubilee"), in my model
I also found it necessary (prudent) to set a land rent maximum, however
I leave it for the Government to define it.
A few things in a functioning economy are essential. Without doing
those things correctly, you will not have a working system, and you
will have not understood what markets are for. The most important
thing is that natural resources are free to access for all, limited
by the right of others to do the same, and limited not to destroy
from overuse (obviously, some common sense and law will help). Second
would be to prevent the accumulation of infinite wealth, which turns
the market into a centralized dictatorship (planned economy). In
this department it is important to deal with money games such as
loans and the rest of it. Modern western economics laughs at these
it is not working, and spiraling out of control, as usual, and into
war ...
Obviously this is all my opinion. It also depends on how well behaved
people are, and how much they want to use their brain, as to what kind
of a system of society they are able to handle. It depends on what
people want: do they want war or peace, do they want to talk to each
other as adults or vent their frustrations and emotions by shouting
others down, etc. In any case however, I belief it will be a good thing
if there is at least a minority group who gets things right a little
more then most ideologies originating in western culture. It can inspire
a good thing here or there, I hope.
Post by MattB
Post by Jos Boersema
Your money and property are not yours, in Capitalism: your money is
dependent upon your corporate Boss, and your property you need to rent
from your home rental Boss. You do not have your right to land, which
means you are a helpless serf. I put things in stark colors for clarity,
but this is what western so-called "Capitalism" eventually develops
into, because it cannot maintain a level playing field for the
population. Everything centralizes, until it becomes a centrally planned
economy, or the system breaks down before that, which is quite likely
because people are not likely to accept such totalitarian control
anymore.
Wall Street?
What do you imply ?
OK When a company is privately owned or owned by a few but not part
of the Stock Market they can make decisions based on a more moral and
personal line, when a company goes public they must place profit for
the stock holders before all.
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by MattB
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by John Going
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from
you in the form of fees or taxes.
What "socialists" are you talking about, the ones financed by the
Capitalists of the US State Department, such as the likes of
Otpor/CANVAS, and its offshoots ? Tools to bring Nazis to power
in Ukraine, or earlier to whitewash the NATO terror bombing in
Yugoslavia ? You mean those Socialists, who work for the Capitalist
gangsters at the Council of Foreign Relations, and the puppets
deployed by them: American presidents and heads of US State departments ?
Post by John Going
There is no democracy.
In my version of "market Socialism" you get more democracy then you
might be able to deal with. Do you dare to live in a real democracy,
where you can immediately replace your representative, for any reason,
and elect the same in a group of only 50 persons, a group small enough
so that you can be heard, if you have the capacity to listen to others ?
Post by John Going
Independence is discouraged.
As you may have noticed, independence is the bread and butter of my
version of Socialism. What version are you ranting about, the system
made up by Lenin, who was financed by the Capitalists / fascists and
far right scum in the German army high command ? Those "Socialists" ?
Post by John Going
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and
survive independently.
Oh boy, we got ourselves an anarchist. Never mind. Government is the
commission to handle the day to day details of the common good, as
so ordered point by point by the People, and for as long as that order
is outstanding. You need someone to do that. Someone needs to build
that bridge, someone needs to hunt down that criminal, etc.
Post by John Going
Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of
socialist tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
The reason Socialism as a movement exists, is because Capitalism proved
to be a fraud and it proved to be hell. The question is then how to deal
with the historical failure of (laissez faire) Capitalism. This problem
has not yet historically been answered. The Capitalists have hit back
by creating superficial and damaging forms of counter movements, such
as Communism and Karl Marx / Engels, Lenin, and so on. Communism is a
substantial distraction for the labor class, from which confusion the
Capitalists have profiten greatly.
It was a Divide & Conquer system, either so intended (which I think it
was, because things are more controlled then they seem, everything depends
on funding or you just wouldn't hear about it), or by accident. Communism
is a flavor of Capitalism: the control of society through the control of
the Capital goods and the Capital city itself. These mechanisms go back
to ancient Rome, and even before that, the tyrannical Empires with their
god King and god Queen at the center of everything, including the markets
(that is a very long time ago, around the eastern medditeranian sea).
This is at least what I have tried to understand of things in the past,
from the historians / archeologists.
Ördög
2018-05-16 23:16:54 UTC
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Post by John Going
There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
There is in my version of Socialism (market.socialism.nl), because all
you have is your free land as a birthright of equal value to the others
in the Nation, you have your vote in the State, and then ... you got to
eat. Good luck. Do something. If you do it well, you will be well to do.
If you sit on your arse, you will in principle be dead in a matter of
weeks from starvation, as it should be.
Do you dare to be free, John ? Do you dare to own land and allow others
to own the same ?
Post by John Going
Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.
Not in my version of Socialism (which I loosely term "market
socialism.").
Post by John Going
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not learned
through study.
Are you an American, John ? It is usually Americans who start ranting
against the term Socialism, without specification.
Post by John Going
Your money and property are not yours.
Not in my version of (market) Socialism. Your money is yours, and so is
your property. However, you shall not become a feudal - Capitalist
baron, repressing the others in the Nation under your massively
centralized control of enormous swaths of natural resources, cartel or
monopoly corporate operations, and other ultra-rich shenanigans which
destroy the freedom and opportunity of the people and the market.
Your money and property are not yours, in Capitalism: your money is
dependent upon your corporate Boss, and your property you need to rent
from your home rental Boss. You do not have your right to land, which
means you are a helpless serf. I put things in stark colors for clarity,
but this is what western so-called "Capitalism" eventually develops
into, because it cannot maintain a level playing field for the
population. Everything centralizes, until it becomes a centrally planned
economy, or the system breaks down before that, which is quite likely
because people are not likely to accept such totalitarian control
anymore.
Post by John Going
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from you in
the form of fees or taxes.
What "socialists" are you talking about, the ones financed by the
Capitalists of the US State Department, such as the likes of
Otpor/CANVAS, and its offshoots ? Tools to bring Nazis to power in
Ukraine, or earlier to whitewash the NATO terror bombing in Yugoslavia ?
You mean those Socialists, who work for the Capitalist gangsters at the
Council of Foreign Relations, and the puppets deployed by them: American
presidents and heads of US State departments ?
Post by John Going
There is no democracy.
In my version of "market Socialism" you get more democracy then you
might be able to deal with. Do you dare to live in a real democracy,
where you can immediately replace your representative, for any reason,
and elect the same in a group of only 50 persons, a group small enough
so that you can be heard, if you have the capacity to listen to others ?
Post by John Going
Independence is discouraged.
As you may have noticed, independence is the bread and butter of my
version of Socialism. What version are you ranting about, the system
made up by Lenin, who was financed by the Capitalists / fascists and far
right scum in the German army high command ? Those "Socialists" ?
Post by John Going
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and survive
independently.
Oh boy, we got ourselves an anarchist. Never mind. Government is the
commission to handle the day to day details of the common good, as so
ordered point by point by the People, and for as long as that order is
outstanding. You need someone to do that. Someone needs to build that
bridge, someone needs to hunt down that criminal, etc.
Post by John Going
Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of socialist
tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
The reason Socialism as a movement exists, is because Capitalism proved
to be a fraud and it proved to be hell. The question is then how to deal
with the historical failure of (laissez faire) Capitalism. This problem
has not yet historically been answered. The Capitalists have hit back by
creating superficial and damaging forms of counter movements, such as
Communism and Karl Marx / Engels, Lenin, and so on. Communism is a
substantial distraction for the labor class, from which confusion the
Capitalists have profiten greatly.
It was a Divide & Conquer system, either so intended (which I think it
was, because things are more controlled then they seem, everything
depends on funding or you just wouldn't hear about it), or by accident.
Communism is a flavor of Capitalism: the control of society through the
control of the Capital goods and the Capital city itself. These
mechanisms go back to ancient Rome, and even before that, the tyrannical
Empires with their god King and god Queen at the center of everything,
including the markets (that is a very long time ago, around the eastern
medditeranian sea). This is at least what I have tried to understand of
things in the past, from the historians / archeologists.
This is a strange post which is not surprising at all since it promotes
the concept of a strange hybrid created out of "markets" + "socialism"
which is like crossing a fox with a duck.

Having said that I have no issues with some of the points you've made.
Capitalism is indeed a sick system which inevitably tends to drift
towards the direction of monopolies wanting to own and run everything
including the people (treating/trading them like commodities). Free
trading the ownership of land and the all the means of production is at
the heart of the problem. Eventually the big fish always gobbles up the
little ones.

I firmly believe that you have never understood what communist ideology
was all about, nor why it has been so badly implemented and why it has
eventually degraded into a brutal personal cult state capitalism.
What you've said about Marx, Engels and Lenin is pure conspiracy kookery.
Before Marx hardly anybody been stating so clearly how the world has
deteriorated into a dog eat dog inhumane brutal political/ideological
system that is called "Capitalism". And Lenin has understood brilliantly
what it took to bring down such a system and replace it with something
that could have worked had it not been for the weakness of the society he
was trying to implement it in. Sadly Lenin has could not envisage the
resistance to a change from both within and without. Stalin did, but he
was a paranoid megalomaniac who thought that brutal repression will solve
all of his problems. He had given up on every democratic elements
communism had and replaced it with an almighty and brutal centralised and
state owned/run machinery concentrating purely on cementing an ossified
regime ruling over everything forever regardless of what happened on the
planet elsewhere. The inevitable failure of that approach was only a
matter of time. Idiot and senile Ronald in the US and the "Iron Lady" in
the UK had falsely claimed that it was to their credit bringing down that
system.
Nothing could have been farther from the truth.
--
Ördög, without any apologies
Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
2018-05-17 00:46:28 UTC
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I firmly believe that you have never understood what communist ideology
was all about, nor why it has been so badly implemented and why it has
eventually degraded into a brutal personal cult state capitalism.
Actually, you and yourfellow-travellers are the ones who demonstrably don't understand the implications of the fact that every single implementation of communist ideology has delivered both material destitution as well as the world-champion denial of human rights.
Post by Ördög
What you've said about Marx, Engels and Lenin is pure conspiracy kookery.
Before Marx hardly anybody been stating so clearly how the world has
deteriorated into a dog eat dog inhumane brutal political/ideological
system that is called "Capitalism".
You are clearly too simple to see that the real world is a place of compromise.
Starry-eyed ideology cannot be translated into a perfect reality, and nothing deteriorates so much as an ideological system
Under capitalism, our poorest people have full access to world-leading healthcare, they have nice big homes, they have cars, TVs and smart phones, while their children have access to the same high-quality education as everybody else does.

This is *not* what happens under communism.

Tearing down this imperfect reality only ever results in mass murder, poverty, and denial of freedoms.

Marx's writings contain nothing but trite, superficial observations, and completely erroneous analyses. Everything done in his name has been a disaster.
Ördög
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Tell me about the strong society in which Lenin’s brilliance would have
worked.
Why do you ask?
I'd wager you could not care less what I post on this issue as you are
obviously not approaching my previous post with an open mind. Snipping
everything I have posted attests to that!

I also recommend that you improve your understanding of twentieth century
history. This here is NOT alt.fan.rus-limbaugh here where alt-right
sociopaths and illiterate libertarian imbeciles dominate the cyberspace.

Tsarist feudal Russia was a basket case, both socially and economically
at the time of Lenin's revolution. In fact, a large part of Europe was
barely coming of the dark ages of decaying feudalism. Lenin was brilliant
in the way how he brought down the regime in Russia, but had greatly
underestimated the resistance both within and outside that horribly
undeveloped country. With hindsight it is safe to say that the best
chance for a functional post socialist/communist revolution socio-
political system could have been either Germany or France had it not been
for the ugly push factors that had led Europe to World War I.
The often brutal monopol-capitalist strong hold on power
in the USA, the most economically advanced country of that time on the
planet, made a communist take over of that country impossible.
However had there been a successful revolution in the USA the chances of
realising a viable and democratic communist social system would have been
a lot more likely that it ever was in Russia...

But in any case that is all speculative. What has happened back then is
unlikely to be repeated the same way again.
My guess is that once people had enough of the libertarian (anarchist)
egotistic nonsense of a dog eat dog free- marketeer pretend utopia (as
resources become more scarce and more expensive, as the environment
degrades further, and as the wealth of the planet concentrates even fewer
hands than it currently is while the rest lives in misery) socialist and
communist ideas will become a common team for the exploited masses again.

We'll see, said the blind man!
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Ördög, without any apologies
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With hindsight it is safe to say that the best
chance for a functional post socialist/communist revolution socio-
political system could have been either Germany or France ...
Yes, unsurprisingly, you are parroting what Marx said. AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!.
Why?
Because Marx had NFI. His economic "theories" were up there with the kind of stuff published in New Idea today, and his social theories proved to be just as wrong as they were fluffy.
The revolution did not happen in Western Europe.
What *did* happen was that Western Europe continued to evolve ever better social systems and managed to drag much of the rest of the world along behind it.
Nowadays, Western civilisation has exported the notions of social justice, personal freedoms and the rule of law far and wide across the globe.
Social equality has been achieved through free market capitalism, while the unequal systems devised by students of Marx have mostly all withered away.
Post by Ördög
had it not been
for the ugly push factors that had led Europe to World War I.
The often brutal monopol-capitalist strong hold on power
in the USA, the most economically advanced country of that time on the
planet, made a communist take over of that country impossible.
However had there been a successful revolution in the USA the chances of
realising a viable and democratic communist social system would have been
a lot more likely that it ever was in Russia...
The "brutal monopol-capitlist" USA
1/ Didn't deliberately starve 15 million people to death, as the marxists in Russia did
2/ Achieved greater social equity in that society than has ever existed at any time in any place in human history.

Let's just repeat that: the "brutal" system you decry achieved precisely what the marxism you advocate has never managed to achieve.
This simple fact of history is what separates you neo-marxist buffoons from we people who are laughing at you.
Post by Ördög
My guess is that once people had enough of the libertarian (anarchist)
egotistic nonsense of a dog eat dog free- marketeer pretend utopia (as
resources become more scarce and more expensive,
You're describing what happens in a communist system.

A free market system generates wealth. Resources become cheaper. Even the poor have iPhones in a free market society.
In a communist society, 4 hours of queuing used to get them 2kg of beets, if they were lucky.

I well remember how laughable the inTourist guide was as she boasted how cheap bread was and how every citizen was guaranteed a job, as we drove through a city clearly mired in abject poverty, with the streets and buildings black from the dire pollution of primitive and inefficient communist industry.

It's funny you bring up the environment - the pollution produced by communist countries has to be seen to be believed - their cities were literally black with pollution. China's still are.
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Yes, speculation is wonderful.You can speculate whatever suits you.
I am so thankful for you generously granting me such permit!
Forever in your debt...NOT!
But
facts indicate failures of socialism under all actually attempted
conditions.
Bulldust!..hang on...oh I see! You are talking about your alternative
facts universe!
Why? Because it is human nature to limit the power of others
but not their own.
And that is why according to your take Capitalism is even a bigger
failure than Socialism ever could be for the bulk of humanity.
This is why societies are not ‘stable’.
That is correct! What happens to societies is what happens to a
bacterial culture in a petri dish ... they exhaust all the readily the
available resources and then they decay.
Unless some outside top up can be found...hence the last stage of
capitalism always turns into fascist imperialism.
They cycle
from capitalist makers to socialist takers.
YAWN!
When socialist taking power
runs out of other people’s making powers the cycle returns to capitalist
making power.
You really have no idea what drives society, do you?
You can’t take wat has not been made. That is not
speculation.
Amazing logic....NOT!
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people’s money”
Lovely neo-Liberal slogan spewed up into the Universe as blinkered
capitalist zealots pick the pockets/cheat/invade societies for pure
personal gain by any means possible.

Yeah!

1 The planet resources aren't matching the demands put on them.
2 Humans are over populating the planet
3 For each billionaire created millions live become poverty stricken
4 Neo-Liberals deny the existence of society and could not give
a damn about human suffering
5 Neo-Liberals have no concept of conserving human existence on
this planet. No plan...no future!
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Ördög, without any apologies
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1 The planet resources aren't matching the demands put on them.
What is that based on? Dogma?
Post by Ördög
2 Humans are over populating the planet
True. But the nations within Capitalist civilisation have a birth rate that is about equal to replacement rate. Global population growth is occurring outside of our civilisation, with the encouragement of the neo-marxists who see the flow of refugees from the over-populated parts of the world as their best bet for creating the chaos that is required for the overthrow of our society.
Post by Ördög
3 For each billionaire created millions live become poverty stricken
Our "poor" have houses, cars, free education and medical care. They aren't "poverty stricken".
Our "poor" are are objectively wealthy, thanks to free-market capitalism.
Post by Ördög
4 Neo-Liberals deny the existence of society and could not give
a damn about human suffering
..and yet Capitalist society is where social justice principles have been codified and put into practice, including notions of equality, anti-discrimination and universal suffrage. None of this stuff is available to the inhabitants of this planet who have the misfortune to have been born under theocratic or single-party communist rule.
Post by Ördög
5 Neo-Liberals have no concept of conserving human existence on
this planet. No plan...no future!
And yet here in the real world, it is capitalist societies that lead the charge in terms of individual wealth, individual freedoms, and care for the environment.
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There is no incentive to excel in a socialist environment.
There is in my version of Socialism (market.socialism.nl), because all
you have is your free land as a birthright of equal value to the others
in the Nation, you have your vote in the State, and then ... you got to
eat. Good luck. Do something. If you do it well, you will be well to do.
If you sit on your arse, you will in principle be dead in a matter of
weeks from starvation, as it should be.
Do you dare to be free, John ? Do you dare to own land and allow others
to own the same ?
Post by John Going
Everybody gets participation medals, lose or win.
Not in my version of Socialism (which I loosely term "market
socialism.").
Post by John Going
"Principles" are shouted by facist extremist organizers, not learned
through study.
Are you an American, John ? It is usually Americans who start ranting
against the term Socialism, without specification.
Post by John Going
Your money and property are not yours.
Not in my version of (market) Socialism. Your money is yours, and so is
your property. However, you shall not become a feudal - Capitalist
baron, repressing the others in the Nation under your massively
centralized control of enormous swaths of natural resources, cartel or
monopoly corporate operations, and other ultra-rich shenanigans which
destroy the freedom and opportunity of the people and the market.
Your money and property are not yours, in Capitalism: your money is
dependent upon your corporate Boss, and your property you need to rent
from your home rental Boss. You do not have your right to land, which
means you are a helpless serf. I put things in stark colors for clarity,
but this is what western so-called "Capitalism" eventually develops
into, because it cannot maintain a level playing field for the
population. Everything centralizes, until it becomes a centrally planned
economy, or the system breaks down before that, which is quite likely
because people are not likely to accept such totalitarian control
anymore.
Post by John Going
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from you in
the form of fees or taxes.
What "socialists" are you talking about, the ones financed by the
Capitalists of the US State Department, such as the likes of
Otpor/CANVAS, and its offshoots ? Tools to bring Nazis to power in
Ukraine, or earlier to whitewash the NATO terror bombing in Yugoslavia ?
You mean those Socialists, who work for the Capitalist gangsters at the
Council of Foreign Relations, and the puppets deployed by them: American
presidents and heads of US State departments ?
Post by John Going
There is no democracy.
In my version of "market Socialism" you get more democracy then you
might be able to deal with. Do you dare to live in a real democracy,
where you can immediately replace your representative, for any reason,
and elect the same in a group of only 50 persons, a group small enough
so that you can be heard, if you have the capacity to listen to others ?
Post by John Going
Independence is discouraged.
As you may have noticed, independence is the bread and butter of my
version of Socialism. What version are you ranting about, the system
made up by Lenin, who was financed by the Capitalists / fascists and far
right scum in the German army high command ? Those "Socialists" ?
Post by John Going
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and survive
independently.
Oh boy, we got ourselves an anarchist. Never mind. Government is the
commission to handle the day to day details of the common good, as so
ordered point by point by the People, and for as long as that order is
outstanding. You need someone to do that. Someone needs to build that
bridge, someone needs to hunt down that criminal, etc.
Post by John Going
Truth. The truth about socialism? The very existence of socialist
tendencies is madness and based on falsehoods.
The reason Socialism as a movement exists, is because Capitalism proved
to be a fraud and it proved to be hell. The question is then how to deal
with the historical failure of (laissez faire) Capitalism. This problem
has not yet historically been answered. The Capitalists have hit back by
creating superficial and damaging forms of counter movements, such as
Communism and Karl Marx / Engels, Lenin, and so on. Communism is a
substantial distraction for the labor class, from which confusion the
Capitalists have profiten greatly.
It was a Divide & Conquer system, either so intended (which I think it
was, because things are more controlled then they seem, everything
depends on funding or you just wouldn't hear about it), or by accident.
Communism is a flavor of Capitalism: the control of society through the
control of the Capital goods and the Capital city itself. These
mechanisms go back to ancient Rome, and even before that, the tyrannical
Empires with their god King and god Queen at the center of everything,
including the markets (that is a very long time ago, around the eastern
medditeranian sea). This is at least what I have tried to understand of
things in the past, from the historians / archeologists.
This is a strange post which is not surprising at all since it promotes
the concept of a strange hybrid created out of "markets" + "socialism"
which is like crossing a fox with a duck.
Thank you for your reply. The issue at hand is that both "markets"
(in the red eyed dog-eat-dog Capitalist warfare version of overextension
of a good thing), and "socialism" in the sometimes equally agressive
stone throwing mob "lets put all bankers up on the wall and have 5
year plans for the Politbureau" version of that word, have a certain
truth to them, although they both also quite critically fail on a
most important aspect, being the natural resources. Once you dig out
the kernel of truth (as I see it anyway) in those two opposing
movements, it becomes obvious that this is not a fox and a duck at
each others throats, but that there is a Divide & Conquer at play
against a deeper truth.

Capitalists say that trade creates value for all, prices dynamically
go to fair, trade is freedom, the need to produce or not having to
eat matters, etc. This is true.

Socialists say that the Capitalists are not telling the whole story
(I'm putting it mildly now), because the markets get controlled by
huge corporations, people work crazy hard for little while super
rich exploit them, etc. This is true as well.

The key they both fail to acknowledge, is that trade is about human
effort. Natural resources are not made by humans, the planet is a given.
Therefore the natural resources themselves do not belong in a trade
system. The land should not be sold. Centralized ownership of land
creates a power position, which distorts the market. The vast land
owners don't work, they abuse their own people instead, getting rich
from doing nothing but hurting people. People who fail to see that,
don't look high enough in the power structure to notice it. It is not
the farmer that is the big problem, it is the banker who holds the
farmer as a pet with the million dollar killer mortgage on his land.
The farmers themselves however can also become a menace, as they
have been in our country. They where a new kind of Barons, who where
land central owners as well.

Although Capitalists recognize officially with Adam Smidth the danger
of cartels and monopolies, in fact they do little or nothing about it.
Their words have always been hollow, look for example at Bill Gates
with his global cartel, which has crushed so much in computing. Nothing
gets done, a few limp attempts and then the Capitalists move on to
the next delerium of the day.

Socialists recognize that people need to be free from the feudal Barons
or Capitalists, however their words have proven hollow when they took
the land away and gave it to the bureaucrats in the USSR. Many
socialists / communists say they represent the labor class, but are
they afraid to work when they reject the idea that land should be given
for free to all ? I see them often demanding money, rather then land.
I suspect there is a fear for hard work in that, because once you have
land, you will realize that you have a job (and indeed, 100% employment
is guaranteed, a supposed goal of many Socialists, but when do you hear
them about land ?).

I say we need to quit this Divide & Conquer, and see the larger truth.
Post by Ördög
Having said that I have no issues with some of the points you've made.
Capitalism is indeed a sick system which inevitably tends to drift
towards the direction of monopolies wanting to own and run everything
including the people (treating/trading them like commodities). Free
trading the ownership of land and the all the means of production is at
the heart of the problem. Eventually the big fish always gobbles up the
little ones.
There is not enough *distributive effect* to offset the concentrative
effect in the economy. For Capitalism to be stable, people need to
dissipate their accumulated power and wealth at the same overall rate
as they have aquired it. This is not going to be done voluntarily.
Vast land owners or corporate combines are not going to decide one good
day that they are going to unwind their Empire because it got out of
hand. It will be concentrate forever more, beat the others and eat them
alive, until the people rebel in civil war, and that's that.
Post by Ördög
I firmly believe that you have never understood what communist ideology
was all about, nor why it has been so badly implemented and why it has
eventually degraded into a brutal personal cult state capitalism.
No reason to make this personal.
Post by Ördög
What you've said about Marx, Engels and Lenin is pure conspiracy kookery.
The fact that Lenin was put in a train with gold from the German high
command is - as far as I know - commonly agreed upon history ?
Post by Ördög
Before Marx hardly anybody been stating so clearly how the world has
deteriorated into a dog eat dog inhumane brutal political/ideological
system that is called "Capitalism".
So you say, I doubt that.
Post by Ördög
And Lenin has understood brilliantly
what it took to bring down such a system and replace it with something
that could have worked had it not been for the weakness of the society he
was trying to implement it in. Sadly Lenin has could not envisage the
resistance to a change from both within and without.
I broadly agree with you, that Lenin probably was trying to do a good
thing, unfortunately he had no plan and certainly not one that could
work. I notice that the November Revolution (IIRC), replaced the
Februari Revolution of the Menshevicks, which where the Councils.
Hence Lenin institutes the central power, because he seems to have
though he could control it and be the one to judge all in the planned
economy, but this is (IMHO) folly. Nation are far too big for that,
especially Russia. Then Stalin comes in and takes it over. Russia
having no democratic tradition of any kind, did not help the situation.

Lenin made the mistake of accepting money from the enemy. I am strongly
against taking money from the enemy, by the way.
Post by Ördög
Stalin did, but he
was a paranoid megalomaniac who thought that brutal repression will solve
all of his problems. He had given up on every democratic elements
communism had and replaced it with an almighty and brutal centralised and
state owned/run machinery concentrating purely on cementing an ossified
regime ruling over everything forever regardless of what happened on the
planet elsewhere. The inevitable failure of that approach was only a
matter of time. Idiot and senile Ronald in the US and the "Iron Lady" in
the UK had falsely claimed that it was to their credit bringing down that
system.
I agree.
Post by Ördög
Nothing could have been farther from the truth.
It had to fail. By the way, I have been a member of the Communist
party in the Netherlands, and have Das Kapital here, even in multiple
languages. I'm not sure why you have decided I do not understand what
Communism is, and assume I have been too verbally violent and
hysterical in my approach, but I like to think that I understand enough
of it, including what is good about it.

I see it this way: the Communists often are the best and strongest
elements in the political labor movement. They have a vast amount of
great opinions upon facts and exact laws and problems, and they are
often very right about loads of stuff. I have read the Communist paper
a lot, I do think I know a little about what the Communist movement is.
Sadly it all gets put back under Capitalist control, because they
have fallen for the idea of the plan economy. That is the poison
that neutralizes them, while they think it is their greatest possession.

I chose to gloss over that Karl Marx had not actually said much or
anything about what other type of economy he would like, although he
made the collossal error to say that if the labor class got into control
of the companies that they would become their own exploiters. That
cut off all hope of some sort of understanding and useful implementation
of the market principle within the sphere of Communist thought.

Ironically, Karl Marx is even correct, within the scope of thought that
land is misunderstood, as they indeed did not figure it out properly
(in my opinion). Within that first error (land should be commonly held
by the State, etc), there was no ultimate solution for freedom to
trade anymore, and labor taking control over the businesses would indeed
result in what Marx said it would (IIRC). Take the error about land
away, and put strong laws against an overarching class of ultra-wealthy,
and - in my opinion - a democratic co-operative business looks a whole
lot better then does either the Polit Bureau or a "Capitalist" dictatorial
company. It is a similar mechanism as State Democracy versus State
dictatorship.

best regards
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Socialists recognize that people need to be free from the feudal Barons
or Capitalists, however their words have proven hollow when they took
the land away and gave it to the bureaucrats in the USSR.
Wrong. What the communists *PROVED*, was that, absent personal land ownership, productivity declines because people are not engaged/invested.
And it declines massively.
Post by Jos Boersema
There is not enough *distributive effect* to offset the concentrative
effect in the economy. For Capitalism to be stable, people need to
dissipate their accumulated power and wealth at the same overall rate
as they have aquired it.
Unfortunately, because marxists and communists just don't believe in real-world economics, they don't bother learning its basics.
What capitalism does, that communism has singularly failed to do, is *generate* wealth.
To be "stable",
a. people have to be confident that the wealth their labour generates is secure from being the target of state-sanctioned arbitrary seizure
b. everybody has to be participating/generating personal wealth

This obsession with "dissipation" is the precise reason that communists and marxists don't know how to deliver economic development.
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Ördög
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John Going
/snip for brevity/
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by Ördög
Post by John Going
Your money and property are not yours.
Not in my version of (market) Socialism. Your money is yours, and so
is your property. However, you shall not become a feudal - Capitalist
baron, repressing the others in the Nation under your massively
centralized control of enormous swaths of natural resources, cartel or
monopoly corporate operations, and other ultra-rich shenanigans which
destroy the freedom and opportunity of the people and the market.
/snip for brevity/
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by Ördög
Post by John Going
Radical political groups decide who gets the money stolen from you in
the form of fees or taxes.
What "socialists" are you talking about, the ones financed by the
Capitalists of the US State Department, such as the likes of
Otpor/CANVAS, and its offshoots ? Tools to bring Nazis to power in
Ukraine, or earlier to whitewash the NATO terror bombing in Yugoslavia ?
You mean those Socialists, who work for the Capitalist gangsters at
American presidents and heads of US State departments ?
Post by John Going
There is no democracy.
In my version of "market Socialism" you get more democracy then you
might be able to deal with. Do you dare to live in a real democracy,
where you can immediately replace your representative, for any reason,
and elect the same in a group of only 50 persons, a group small enough
so that you can be heard, if you have the capacity to listen to others ?
/snip for brevity/
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by Ördög
Post by John Going
Government is based on dependency, not the will to act and survive
independently.
Oh boy, we got ourselves an anarchist.
These are actually neo-liberals who in my opinion actually deconstruct
the meaning of being a liberal human. They view the world through
their limitless egotism: "Me...me...me...and only me! Forget the rest!"

/snip for brevity/
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by Ördög
This is a strange post which is not surprising at all since it promotes
the concept of a strange hybrid created out of "markets" + "socialism"
which is like crossing a fox with a duck.
Thank you for your reply. The issue at hand is that both "markets"
(in the red eyed dog-eat-dog Capitalist warfare version of overextension
of a good thing), and "socialism" in the sometimes equally agressive
stone throwing mob "lets put all bankers up on the wall and have 5 year
plans for the Politbureau" version of that word, have a certain truth to
them, although they both also quite critically fail on a most important
aspect, being the natural resources. Once you dig out the kernel of
truth (as I see it anyway) in those two opposing movements, it becomes
obvious that this is not a fox and a duck at each others throats, but
that there is a Divide & Conquer at play against a deeper truth.
Capitalists say that trade creates value for all, prices dynamically go
to fair, trade is freedom, the need to produce or not having to eat
matters, etc. This is true.
Socialists say that the Capitalists are not telling the whole story (I'm
putting it mildly now), because the markets get controlled by huge
corporations, people work crazy hard for little while super rich exploit
them, etc. This is true as well.
The key they both fail to acknowledge, is that trade is about human
effort. Natural resources are not made by humans, the planet is a given.
Therefore the natural resources themselves do not belong in a trade
system. The land should not be sold. Centralized ownership of land
creates a power position, which distorts the market. The vast land
owners don't work, they abuse their own people instead, getting rich
from doing nothing but hurting people. People who fail to see that,
don't look high enough in the power structure to notice it. It is not
the farmer that is the big problem, it is the banker who holds the
farmer as a pet with the million dollar killer mortgage on his land.
The farmers themselves however can also become a menace, as they have
been in our country. They where a new kind of Barons, who where land
central owners as well.
I completely agree that land ownership should not be traded. The issue is
of course that land is used as a means of production, in other words the
use of land (food production, mining, housing, recreational space)
creates products which are then traded for money. Given the fact that we
are heading in the direction of vastly overpopulating our planet there
seems to be no easy way to share the land (and its use) equitably.

That is essentially the downfall of any currently existing econo-
political model we have come up so far. Both the capitalists and the
socialist/communists forgot to factor in the constraint of our
environment.
And of course both system have forgotten to account for the fallible
human nature.

So what could we do? I see no easy solutions anywhere to this dilemma.
However I am slowly coming around to the idea that the core issue is our
monetary system. I know that this is very hypothetical but ridding the
World of money could solve at least part of the problems we are facing.
(See:
<https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-the-entire-world-got-rid-of-
money>
<https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/alternative-monetary-
systems-address-economic-problems>

See also:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement>)

Yes, I know that is all very speculative, but which other viable
alternatives do we have?
Post by Jos Boersema
Although Capitalists recognize officially with Adam Smidth the danger of
cartels and monopolies, in fact they do little or nothing about it.
Their words have always been hollow, look for example at Bill Gates with
his global cartel, which has crushed so much in computing. Nothing gets
done, a few limp attempts and then the Capitalists move on to the next
delerium of the day.
Socialists recognize that people need to be free from the feudal Barons
or Capitalists, however their words have proven hollow when they took
the land away and gave it to the bureaucrats in the USSR. Many
socialists / communists say they represent the labor class, but are they
afraid to work when they reject the idea that land should be given for
free to all ? I see them often demanding money, rather then land.
I suspect there is a fear for hard work in that, because once you have
land, you will realize that you have a job (and indeed, 100% employment
is guaranteed, a supposed goal of many Socialists, but when do you hear
them about land ?).
I say we need to quit this Divide & Conquer, and see the larger truth.
Post by Ördög
Having said that I have no issues with some of the points you've made.
Capitalism is indeed a sick system which inevitably tends to drift
towards the direction of monopolies wanting to own and run everything
including the people (treating/trading them like commodities). Free
trading the ownership of land and the all the means of production is at
the heart of the problem. Eventually the big fish always gobbles up the
little ones.
There is not enough *distributive effect* to offset the concentrative
effect in the economy. For Capitalism to be stable, people need to
dissipate their accumulated power and wealth at the same overall rate as
they have aquired it. This is not going to be done voluntarily.
Vast land owners or corporate combines are not going to decide one good
day that they are going to unwind their Empire because it got out of
hand. It will be concentrate forever more, beat the others and eat them
alive, until the people rebel in civil war, and that's that.
Post by Ördög
I firmly believe that you have never understood what communist ideology
was all about, nor why it has been so badly implemented and why it has
eventually degraded into a brutal personal cult state capitalism.
No reason to make this personal.
Indeed! I have no intention of offending you.
However this is Usenet, and this place is not for the faint hearted.
Specially not when the place is full of extremist nutjobs constantly
posting propaganda and/or conspiracy kookery.
That is why my input sounds more "robust" at times out of the acquired
habit of dealing with less worthy posters.
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by Ördög
What you've said about Marx, Engels and Lenin is pure conspiracy kookery.
The fact that Lenin was put in a train with gold from the German high
command is - as far as I know - commonly agreed upon history ?
Well, not Marx nor Engels had been particularly supported by the rulers
of the UK nor Imperial Germany. Providing Lenin with money have to be
understood as international political power play that has always been
going on throughout human history. I don't think that whoever provided
those initial founds to Lenin understood what the ultimate outcome would
be.

Nor do I believe that Lenin cared much for the donors once his revolution
succeeded.
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by Ördög
Before Marx hardly anybody been stating so clearly how the world has
deteriorated into a dog eat dog inhumane brutal political/ideological
system that is called "Capitalism".
So you say, I doubt that.
Marx's socio-economical analytical approach to explaining and
understanding history was a novelty in his times.
Post by Jos Boersema
Post by Ördög
And Lenin has understood brilliantly
what it took to bring down such a system and replace it with something
that could have worked had it not been for the weakness of the society
he was trying to implement it in. Sadly Lenin has could not envisage
the resistance to a change from both within and without.
I broadly agree with you, that Lenin probably was trying to do a good
thing, unfortunately he had no plan and certainly not one that could
work. I notice that the November Revolution (IIRC), replaced the
Februari Revolution of the Menshevicks, which where the Councils.
Hence Lenin institutes the central power, because he seems to have
though he could control it and be the one to judge all in the planned
economy, but this is (IMHO) folly. Nation are far too big for that,
especially Russia. Then Stalin comes in and takes it over. Russia having
no democratic tradition of any kind, did not help the situation.
Lenin made the mistake of accepting money from the enemy. I am strongly
against taking money from the enemy, by the way.
I sympathise with you feelings but practicality often trumps ideology.
That is what people call "Realpolitik".

/snip for brevity/
Post by Jos Boersema
By the way, I have been a member of the Communist party in the
Netherlands,

And I grew up in a communist country....have seen its merits and noted
its faults and fallacies as first hand experience.

/snip for brevity/
Post by Jos Boersema
Ironically, Karl Marx is even correct, within the scope of thought that
land is misunderstood, as they indeed did not figure it out properly (in
my opinion). Within that first error (land should be commonly held by
the State, etc), there was no ultimate solution for freedom to trade
anymore, and labor taking control over the businesses would indeed
result in what Marx said it would (IIRC). Take the error about land
away, and put strong laws against an overarching class of ultra-wealthy,
and - in my opinion - a democratic co-operative business looks a whole
lot better then does either the Polit Bureau or a "Capitalist"
dictatorial company. It is a similar mechanism as State Democracy versus
State dictatorship.
I consider myself as a reform communist.
I think contemporary communists should finally decide to say good by to
the political philosophy of a one party state dictatorship run by a party
elite somewhere on the top.
For goodness sake what a horrible folly...for instance Stalin ordered
growing bananas within the Arctic circle and lemons in Hungary.
Talking of madness!

So!
They should instead concentrate on working out a system of grass roots
democracy that actually works for the people. Plan economics is
not necessarily a bad thing if we let science and technology govern
political decision making and if we can ditch our dependence on the
monetary system which creates corruption and monopolies. In fact, plan
economics might become unavoidable for the future of our existence as
humans are now living on an increasingly small planet with finite
resources.

Regards
--
Ördög, without any apologies
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