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Turnball/Morrison, what 2 year opposition to a banking Royal Commission?
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de chucka
2018-04-21 00:00:32 UTC
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Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently all
Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so please
don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in the last 2
years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.

Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers and
business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64

Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle it,
he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Pelican
2018-04-21 00:36:00 UTC
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Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently all
Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so please
don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in the last 2
years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers and
business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle it,
he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia. That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had to
be invested by professionals

The problems that caused belong to both political parties. If current
discussion becomes a trivial political exercise of blaming, we won't get
the outcomes Australia needs. What we need is a dispassionate
non-political review of the investment industry, which inevitably
requires some history, but with recommendations on what needs to be done
in the future.

The Royal Commission will do some of that work, but it must be an
on-going process.
Peter Jason
2018-04-21 04:22:07 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:36:00 +1000, Pelican
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Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently all
Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so please
don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in the last 2
years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers and
business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle it,
he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia. That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had to
be invested by professionals
The problems that caused belong to both political parties. If current
discussion becomes a trivial political exercise of blaming, we won't get
the outcomes Australia needs. What we need is a dispassionate
non-political review of the investment industry, which inevitably
requires some history, but with recommendations on what needs to be done
in the future.
The Royal Commission will do some of that work, but it must be an
on-going process.
The Royal Commissioner is getting paid.
His legal hordes are getting paid.
His secretaries are getting paid.
His assistants are getting paid.
His flunkies are getting paid.
Are you getting it yet?

Qui Bono?


If the trillions in Superannuation are to be protected then a feedback
loop must be instituted.

That is the gaggle of Investment Advisors and their minions must
personally or collectively lose a fraction of the funds invested by
their clients when losses are incurred.

A biometric trail imprinted on documents will reduce the number of
fall guys overseas and here.

Of course this cannot happen, because all are up to their nuts,
directly or indirectly in the racket. And all know a few weeks of
noisy shocked outrage will assuage the angst of the public, and all
will be as before.

BAH...!
Fran
2018-04-21 06:20:23 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:36:00 +1000, Pelican
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The problems that caused belong to both political parties. If current
discussion becomes a trivial political exercise of blaming, we won't get
the outcomes Australia needs. What we need is a dispassionate
non-political review of the investment industry, which inevitably
requires some history, but with recommendations on what needs to be done
in the future.
Indeed.
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The Royal Commission will do some of that work, but it must be an
on-going process.
Yes.
Max
2018-04-21 05:27:05 UTC
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Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had to
be invested by professionals
How are they parasites? Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
Pelican
2018-04-21 05:46:07 UTC
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Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
They are parasites because they should be paid by the investor to do the
best job for the investor. Instead, they try to obtain payment from the
entity where finds are invested as well as from the investor, inevitably
creating a conflict of interest.
Peter Jason
2018-04-22 21:57:01 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 15:46:07 +1000, Pelican
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Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
They are parasites because they should be paid by the investor to do the
best job for the investor. Instead, they try to obtain payment from the
entity where finds are invested as well as from the investor, inevitably
creating a conflict of interest.
I'm sure my then accountants were getting a kick-back from the bank
referred by them to lend me money to buy a property. This might have
been an ongoing "commission" for the life of the loan. They were
unpleasantly surprised when I paid off the loan in quick time.

The system is so rotten, and has been around so long, that avoidance
is the only practical solution.
Petzl
2018-04-22 22:06:13 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 15:46:07 +1000, Pelican
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Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
They are parasites because they should be paid by the investor to do the
best job for the investor. Instead, they try to obtain payment from the
entity where finds are invested as well as from the investor, inevitably
creating a conflict of interest.
I'm sure my then accountants were getting a kick-back from the bank
referred by them to lend me money to buy a property. This might have
been an ongoing "commission" for the life of the loan. They were
unpleasantly surprised when I paid off the loan in quick time.
The system is so rotten, and has been around so long, that avoidance
is the only practical solution.
Turnbull and cabinet didn't know?
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ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
de chucka
2018-04-22 22:15:13 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 15:46:07 +1000, Pelican
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Post by Pelican
Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
They are parasites because they should be paid by the investor to do the
best job for the investor. Instead, they try to obtain payment from the
entity where finds are invested as well as from the investor, inevitably
creating a conflict of interest.
I'm sure my then accountants were getting a kick-back from the bank
referred by them to lend me money to buy a property. This might have
been an ongoing "commission" for the life of the loan. They were
unpleasantly surprised when I paid off the loan in quick time.
The system is so rotten, and has been around so long, that avoidance
is the only practical solution.
Depending on when you got this loan your accountant broke the law if a
commission and the terms of the commissions were not disclosed. Having
said that the level of lack of disclosure and blatant lying to customers
about their ability to repay loans is disgusting

As a professional ASX gambler I take advice from nobody and don't give
advice. When people try to sell me trading programmes or the hot
tips/market insights for a price I always ask them "If this is such a
sure thing why are you selling it not using it?
Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
2018-04-22 22:31:43 UTC
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As a professional ASX gambler I take advice from nobody and don't give
advice. When people try to sell me trading programmes or the hot
tips/market insights for a price I always ask them "If this is such a
sure thing why are you selling it not using it?
^^Exactly.

If somebody's best try for making money is selling people advice about other ways to make money...well....not very convincing is it?
Peter Jason
2018-04-22 23:34:32 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 15:46:07 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
They are parasites because they should be paid by the investor to do the
best job for the investor. Instead, they try to obtain payment from the
entity where finds are invested as well as from the investor, inevitably
creating a conflict of interest.
I'm sure my then accountants were getting a kick-back from the bank
referred by them to lend me money to buy a property. This might have
been an ongoing "commission" for the life of the loan. They were
unpleasantly surprised when I paid off the loan in quick time.
The system is so rotten, and has been around so long, that avoidance
is the only practical solution.
Depending on when you got this loan your accountant broke the law if a
commission and the terms of the commissions were not disclosed. Having
said that the level of lack of disclosure and blatant lying to customers
about their ability to repay loans is disgusting
As a professional ASX gambler I take advice from nobody and don't give
advice. When people try to sell me trading programmes or the hot
tips/market insights for a price I always ask them "If this is such a
sure thing why are you selling it not using it?
This question might be put to any tout flogging "investments" besides
asking for an in-depth analysis of his recommendations. A government
Statuary Reserve Deposit funded by these sharks and refunded after a
successful outcome might work too, at least in part.
Wonder where all the used-car salesmen of old went? Guess.
Fran
2018-04-23 00:30:06 UTC
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As a professional ASX gambler I take advice from nobody and don't give
advice. When people try to sell me trading programmes or the hot
tips/market insights for a price I always ask them "If this is such a
sure thing why are you selling it not using it?
A most reasonable way to operate IMO. I've been wondering if those who
have lost lots of money or been sucked in deserve what they got because
they are stupid or am I being too harsh o them because I'm looking at it
from the perspective of someone like yourself who asks questions and
thinks before acting.
de chucka
2018-04-23 01:03:42 UTC
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As a professional ASX gambler I take advice from nobody and don't give
advice. When people try to sell me trading programmes or the hot
tips/market insights for a price I always ask them "If this is such a
sure thing why are you selling it not using it?
A most reasonable way to operate IMO.  I've been wondering if those who
have lost lots of money or been sucked in deserve what they got because
they are stupid or am I being too harsh o them because I'm looking at it
from the perspective of someone like yourself who asks questions and
thinks before acting.
I must admit that they get what they deserve in a lot of cases but then
you hear about some of the rip-offs against people who have no idea.
Fran
2018-04-23 05:56:03 UTC
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Post by de chucka
As a professional ASX gambler I take advice from nobody and don't
give advice. When people try to sell me trading programmes or the hot
tips/market insights for a price I always ask them "If this is such a
sure thing why are you selling it not using it?
A most reasonable way to operate IMO.  I've been wondering if those
who have lost lots of money or been sucked in deserve what they got
because they are stupid or am I being too harsh o them because I'm
looking at it from the perspective of someone like yourself who asks
questions and thinks before acting.
I must admit that they get what they deserve in a lot of cases but then
you hear about some of the rip-offs against people who have no idea.
Yes, but there's also the old mantra of buyer beware.
FMurtz
2018-04-22 10:30:58 UTC
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Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
while making sure big chunks are going in their pockets
As far as I am concerned, unless the advisor is a millionaire he is
useless, not doing a good job advising himself,obviously
Petzl
2018-04-22 20:57:49 UTC
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Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
while making sure big chunks are going in their pockets
As far as I am concerned, unless the advisor is a millionaire he is
useless, not doing a good job advising himself,obviously
Voters will believe their excuses and still vote for those behind this
scam!
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Petzl
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
Fran
2018-04-23 00:26:32 UTC
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Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
while making sure big chunks are going in their pockets
As far as I am concerned, unless the advisor is a millionaire he is
useless, not doing a good job advising himself,obviously
Voters will believe their excuses and still vote for those behind this
scam!
Wake up petz and follow the thread. Voters do NOT vote for financial
advisers or investment professionals.
Petzl
2018-04-23 01:29:44 UTC
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Post by de chucka
Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
while making sure big chunks are going in their pockets
As far as I am concerned, unless the advisor is a millionaire he is
useless, not doing a good job advising himself,obviously
Voters will believe their excuses and still vote for those behind this
scam!
Wake up petz and follow the thread. Voters do NOT vote for financial
advisers or investment professionals.
You don't think they will vote for Coalition/Labor
You need to wake-up
Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
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Turnbull = meaningless waffle and platitudes with no substance
And that's a very good question and we are in consultation and talks and we can assure you...

"I don't give a fig about the national interest as long as I get re-elected!"
Pelican
2018-04-23 01:35:46 UTC
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons. There is no-one else in the government who could
replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten for PM.
de chucka
2018-04-23 01:39:32 UTC
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons.  There is no-one else in the government who could
replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten for PM.
He'll be PM if Labor wins the next election, Turnball if the LNP wins
and neither you or I get a say in it
Pelican
2018-04-23 01:44:50 UTC
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons.  There is no-one else in the government who could
replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten for PM.
He'll be PM if Labor wins the next election, Turnball if the LNP wins
and neither you or I get a say in it
Speak only for yourself.
de chucka
2018-04-23 01:50:50 UTC
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons.  There is no-one else in the government who could
replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten for PM.
He'll be PM if Labor wins the next election, Turnball if the LNP wins
and neither you or I get a say in it
Speak only for yourself.
Which one can you vote for?
Pelican
2018-04-23 01:54:34 UTC
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons.  There is no-one else in the government who
could replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten
for PM.
He'll be PM if Labor wins the next election, Turnball if the LNP wins
and neither you or I get a say in it
Speak only for yourself.
Which one can you vote for?
Gross impertinence! Be off, before I set the dogs on you.
Daniel60
2018-04-23 10:30:02 UTC
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons.  There is no-one else in the government who could
replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten for PM.
He'll be PM if Labor wins the next election, Turnball if the LNP wins
and neither you or I get a say in it
That's right! The best you can do is try to ensure *your* representative
(i.e. the person you *vote* for) is on the majority side, so the person
who will become PM is more likely to agree with you beliefs!!

IMHO If someone/anyone cannot be bothered to lodge a formal vote, their
right to bitch about the politicians we end up with should be removed!
Somehow!!
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons. There is no-one else in the government who could
replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten for PM.
There's a difference?
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*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons. There is no-one else in the government who could
replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten for PM.
There's a difference?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DafAuyCVAAAmm6Z.jpg
With Shorten, it's solely his own deficiencies that are the problem.
With Turnbull, he has the external problem of Abbott and his small gang
of cretins. Admittedly, Turnbull lacks the political guts to take them
on.
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
Two strong reasons. There is no-one else in the government who could
replace him, and no-one in the right mind would choose Shorten for PM.
There's a difference?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DafAuyCVAAAmm6Z.jpg
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With Shorten, it's solely his own deficiencies that are the problem.
With Turnbull, he has the external problem of Abbott and his small gang
of cretins. Admittedly, Turnbull lacks the political guts to take them
on.
They are both the same, just acting out what their corporate puppet
masters agree to. Both are just obeying a crooked party boardroom.
That's why Abbott was sacked because he put himself above his masters.

Makes zero difference which of the two get in Coalition or Labor, The
criminal thief embezzler Joyce has "opened up" because he has been
dumped on the end of the line can't get any lower, Abbott the same.

Both parties were endorsing the Bankers criminality, now they are just
dodging blame.

Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
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ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Petz's favourite version of theocratic fascism !
But!
Tough cookie Petz dear, we are still allowed to vote; so you
lose ...that's the way sanity wins.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
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2018-04-23 10:28:25 UTC
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
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*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.

Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Worry about your IQ not others
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most foreign aid is best described as taking money from poor people in rich countries
and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
Corruption is endemic.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Worry about your IQ not others
Excuse me! You introduced the subject of an IQ test.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Worry about your IQ not others
Excuse me! You introduced the subject of an IQ test.
On ballot paper not tick box. Which major majority do!
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ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
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Worry about your IQ not others
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
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Worry about your IQ not others
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
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We are advised to NOT judge ALL Moslems by the actions of a few lunatics,
but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.
Funny how that works.


Early one morning
With time to kill
I borrowed Jebb's rifle
And sat on a hill
I saw a lone rider
Crossing the plain
I drew a bead on him
To practice my aim
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
Didn't see any bigots what makes you think that.
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Islamists behave the same way wherever they are allowed to infest.
They share tips and tricks on how to cheat the infidel. One of these
tips is that infidels never want to believe the extent and cynicism of
the islamist hatred toward them and to the west and its people. If the
infidel is given a choice between fighting for the truth with an
islamist, or paying him compensation as "piss off" money, they will
always take the latter. Another is that their religion sanctions any
illegal activity.
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
Didn't see any bigots what makes you think that.
You claimed they all act like you which makes them alcoholic bigots
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
Didn't see any bigots what makes you think that.
You claimed they all act like you which makes them alcoholic bigots
What makes you think I'm Alcoholic no one else does
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Every record has been destroyed or falsified,
every book rewritten,
every picture has been repainted,
every statue and street building has been renamed,
every date has been altered.
And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute.
History has stopped.
Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always righ
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
Didn't see any bigots what makes you think that.
You claimed they all act like you which makes them alcoholic bigots
What makes you think I'm Alcoholic no one else does
denial so sad :-)
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
Didn't see any bigots what makes you think that.
You claimed they all act like you which makes them alcoholic bigots
What makes you think I'm Alcoholic no one else does
denial so sad :-)
You should look at yourself
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Only one turnout that matters and that was on election day and Trump won.
So all you lefties sucking on your sour grapes. all the snowflakes cry babies,
a lot of them in the media who have been sent insane by Trumps mere presence in Washington.
Well they can just sit back and lap it up ,

Because the Donald has won,

And why because he's going to drain the swamp,
he's going to get rid of all the self serving semi-corrupt mob in Washington
and give the American people a new direction on border protection,
on job creation, on foreign policy,

Trump stands for a non-interventionist foreign policy,
something the left have been calling for since Vietnam.
The truth is they can't see that because Trump has offended the cult of identity politics,
judging everyone by their race gender and sexuality.

Trump judges people on their character, their work ethic
and has a very good chance to make America great again.
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
Didn't see any bigots what makes you think that.
You claimed they all act like you which makes them alcoholic bigots
What makes you think I'm Alcoholic no one else does
Hmmm. Have you counted how many different people mention your goon bag
consumption?
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
Didn't see any bigots what makes you think that.
You claimed they all act like you which makes them alcoholic bigots
What makes you think I'm Alcoholic no one else does
Hmmm. Have you counted how many different people mention your goon bag
consumption?
only the Islamic fascist 3 here?
By the way I rarely drink wine
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Islamists behave the same way wherever they are allowed to infest.
They share tips and tricks on how to cheat the infidel. One of these
tips is that infidels never want to believe the extent and cynicism of
the islamist hatred toward them and to the west and its people. If the
infidel is given a choice between fighting for the truth with an
islamist, or paying him compensation as "piss off" money, they will
always take the latter. Another is that their religion sanctions any
illegal activity.
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
Alcoholic bigots?
Didn't see any bigots what makes you think that.
You claimed they all act like you which makes them alcoholic bigots
What makes you think I'm Alcoholic no one else does
Hmmm. Have you counted how many different people mention your goon bag
consumption?
only the Islamic fascist 3 here?
More than just 3 people petz.
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By the way I rarely drink wine
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Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
How do Hungarians act?
All I know act like me
OMG!! I'm glad I don't know such Hungarian-Australians.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
Well he's intelligent, interested in good food and seems to be
interested in the world around him and that is just like other Hungarian
Australians I know. They aren't commies though.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't
be allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level
permitted to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level
permitted to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
So Petz dear! How is a Hungarian supposed to act according to your
rules????
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Well he's intelligent, interested in good food and seems to be
interested in the world around him and that is just like other Hungarian
Australians I know. They aren't commies though.
In OZ I don't think you'll find many Hungarian communists.
But than you won't find many communists in the general OZ population
either regardless their ethnic origins.

I am sad to conclude that you can find some racist neo-fascist types if
you look hard enough among the ethnic Hungarian Diaspora.
Maybe Petz have met a few to give him his crazy ideas about Hungarians.

On the European continent one could find a full spectrum of political
orientations amongst Hungarian just like amongst any other ex-communist
nationals.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't
be allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level
permitted to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level
permitted to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
So Petz dear! How is a Hungarian supposed to act according to your
rules????
Post by Fran
Well he's intelligent, interested in good food and seems to be
interested in the world around him and that is just like other Hungarian
Australians I know. They aren't commies though.
In OZ I don't think you'll find many Hungarian communists.
But than you won't find many communists in the general OZ population
either regardless their ethnic origins.
I am sad to conclude that you can find some racist neo-fascist types if
you look hard enough among the ethnic Hungarian Diaspora.
There is mental illness in all groups of people. We see it often enough
here.
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Maybe Petz have met a few to give him his crazy ideas about Hungarians.
On the European continent one could find a full spectrum of political
orientations amongst Hungarian just like amongst any other ex-communist
nationals.
Yup. but I've yet to find a Hungarian who didn't appreciate good food.
There must be some though.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't
be allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this
years ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level
permitted to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level
permitted to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
So Petz dear! How is a Hungarian supposed to act according to your
rules????
Post by Fran
Well he's intelligent, interested in good food and seems to be
interested in the world around him and that is just like other
Hungarian Australians I know. They aren't commies though.
In OZ I don't think you'll find many Hungarian communists.
But than you won't find many communists in the general OZ population
either regardless their ethnic origins.
I am sad to conclude that you can find some racist neo-fascist types if
you look hard enough among the ethnic Hungarian Diaspora.
There is mental illness in all groups of people. We see it often enough
here.
Post by Ördög
Maybe Petz have met a few to give him his crazy ideas about Hungarians.
On the European continent one could find a full spectrum of political
orientations amongst Hungarian just like amongst any other ex-communist
nationals.
Yup. but I've yet to find a Hungarian who didn't appreciate good food.
There must be some though.
Let me put it this way:

Yes there are Hungarians who can not cook at all or cook well themselves,
but I know no Hungarians who don't like eating good food providing they
aren't sick.

:))
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Yes there are Hungarians who can not cook at all or cook well themselves,
but I know no Hungarians who don't like eating good food providing they
aren't sick.
:))
because they are always Hungary. boom boom tish

Even I feel pathetic posting that one
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2018-04-24 06:56:35 UTC
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Post by Petzl
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Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't
be allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level
permitted to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level
permitted to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
So Petz dear! How is a Hungarian supposed to act according to your
rules????
Post by Fran
Well he's intelligent, interested in good food and seems to be
interested in the world around him and that is just like other Hungarian
Australians I know. They aren't commies though.
In OZ I don't think you'll find many Hungarian communists.
But than you won't find many communists in the general OZ population
either regardless their ethnic origins.
I am sad to conclude that you can find some racist neo-fascist types if
you look hard enough among the ethnic Hungarian Diaspora.
Maybe Petz have met a few to give him his crazy ideas about Hungarians.
On the European continent one could find a full spectrum of political
orientations amongst Hungarian just like amongst any other ex-communist
nationals.
In Hungary and Europe in general there seem to be a rise in violent
neo-nazi groups and a shift to the right among Governments who are
getting more nationalistic. Looking at history these aren't great signs.
Rod Speed
2018-04-24 22:48:47 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Post by Fran
Post by Petzl
Post by de chucka
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't
be allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level
permitted to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level
permitted to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
So Petz dear! How is a Hungarian supposed to act according to your
rules????
Post by Fran
Well he's intelligent, interested in good food and seems to be
interested in the world around him and that is just like other Hungarian
Australians I know. They aren't commies though.
In OZ I don't think you'll find many Hungarian communists.
But than you won't find many communists in the general OZ population
either regardless their ethnic origins.
I am sad to conclude that you can find some racist neo-fascist types if
you look hard enough among the ethnic Hungarian Diaspora.
Maybe Petz have met a few to give him his crazy ideas about Hungarians.
On the European continent one could find a full spectrum of political
orientations amongst Hungarian just like amongst any other ex-communist
nationals.
In Hungary and Europe in general there seem to be a rise in violent
neo-nazi groups and a shift to the right among Governments who are getting
more nationalistic.
Hardly surprising given the EU is jackbooting them about illegals.
Post by de chucka
Looking at history these aren't great signs.
Nothing even remotely like the situation then.
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2018-04-24 23:09:12 UTC
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Political belief inclusive of right-wing and sovereign national
perspectives is a semantical construct of consensus.

However neo-nazism is a systematic product of merciless machinations of
governance which whilst constructing by its incommensurate irrational an
idealisation of humanity, it does so by the #419 - SLAUGHTER of innocence
and am #331 - ABSOLUTE NEGATION of any autonomy of WILL.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by de chucka
Post by Ördög
Post by Fran
Post by Petzl
Post by de chucka
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't
be allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level
permitted to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level
permitted to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
At the time I voted for Nick.
Come on you neve voted in Willoughby. Why would you support a Party
whose leader was a Ordog type ;-)
Ordog only claims he's Hungarian, don't seem to act like one.
So Petz dear! How is a Hungarian supposed to act according to your
rules????
Post by Fran
Well he's intelligent, interested in good food and seems to be
interested in the world around him and that is just like other Hungarian
Australians I know. They aren't commies though.
In OZ I don't think you'll find many Hungarian communists.
But than you won't find many communists in the general OZ population
either regardless their ethnic origins.
I am sad to conclude that you can find some racist neo-fascist types if
you look hard enough among the ethnic Hungarian Diaspora.
Maybe Petz have met a few to give him his crazy ideas about Hungarians.
On the European continent one could find a full spectrum of political
orientations amongst Hungarian just like amongst any other ex-communist
nationals.
In Hungary and Europe in general there seem to be a rise in violent
neo-nazi groups and a shift to the right among Governments who are getting
more nationalistic.
Hardly surprising given the EU is jackbooting them about illegals.
Post by de chucka
Looking at history these aren't great signs.
Nothing even remotely like the situation then.
— TIME DIDN'T DENY —

“YE BE NOT
FORGOTTEN.
AS THEY ROT.
SOIL SODDEN.

WE REMEMBER.
OF VALOUR BORN.
FAITHFUL FOREVER.
ER EVE NOR MORN.”

[ANZAC Centennial 25 April 2018]

REMEMBRANCE@{
#1: Sup: 18; Ego: 65,
#2: Sup: 48; Ego: 50,
#3: Sup: 38; Ego: 30,
#4: Sup: 29; Ego: 68,
#5: Sup: 57; Ego: 17,
#6: Sup: 20; Ego: 53,
#7: Sup: 65; Ego: 15,
#8: Sup: 64; Ego: 1,
#9: Sup: 35; Ego: 54,
Male: #374; Feme: #353
}

ESPECIALLY NOTE GNOMIC IMPERATIVE INSTRUCTION SET ASSOCIATIONS TO #237 -
*USE* *OF* *FORCE* / #277 - *RIGHT* *TO* *PLACE* *A* *TEST*

<http://www.grapple369.com/?telos:374>

<http://www.grapple369.com/?telos:353>

H7631@{
   #1: Sup: 57; Ego: 57,
   #2: Sup: 59; Ego: 2,
   #3: Sup: 69; Ego: 10,
   #4: Sup: 71; Ego: 2,
   #5: Sup: 81; Ego: 10,
   #6: Sup: 50; Ego: 50,
   Male: #387; Feme: #131
} // #374

#374 as [#300, #2, #10, #2, #10, #50] = sebiyb (Aramaic) (H7631): {#4 as
#314} 1) *FLAME* 🔥;

H7460@{
   #1: Sup: 40; Ego: 40,
   #2: Sup: 78; Ego: 38,
   #3: Sup: 67; Ego: 70,
   #4: Sup: 77; Ego: 10,
   #5: Sup: 81; Ego: 4,
   #6: Sup: 10; Ego: 10,
   #7: Sup: 50; Ego: 40,
   Male: #403; Feme: #212
} // #374

#374 as [#40, #200, #70, #10, #4, #10, #40] = ra`ad (H7460): {#3 as #274}
1) to tremble, quake; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to tremble; 1a2) *EARTHQUAKE*; 1b)
(Hiphil) trembling (participle);

REUTERS (ISTANBUL) @ 1654 HOURS ON 24 APRIL 2018: “QUAKE IN SOUTHEAST
TURKEY INJURES 39: STATE NEWS AGENCY:

An earthquake struck Turkey’s southeastern province of Adiyaman early on
Tuesday, injuring 39 people and damaging buildings, state-run Anadolu news
agency reported.

<http://www.grapple369.com/?time:3.34>

***@zen: 3, row: 2, col: 5, nous: 71 [Super: #570 / #63 - Origins in
Reversal, Consider Beginnings; I-Ching: H51 - Quake, Thunderclap, Shake,
The arousing (shock, thunder); Tetra: 62 - Doubt, Ego: #391 / #71 -
Know-How as a Disease, Disease of Knowledge; I-Ching: H38 - Contrariety,
Opposition, Polarising, Perversion; Tetra: 6 - Contrariety]

#391 as [#70, #40, #70, #10, #1, #200] = homoios (G3664): {#12 as #460} 1)
like, similar, resembling; 1a) like: ie. resembling; 1b) like: ie.
corresponding to a thing;

INTELLECTUS@{
#1: Sup: 70; Ego: 70,
#2: Sup: 29; Ego: 40,
#3: Sup: 18; Ego: 70,
#4: Sup: 28; Ego: 10,
#5: Sup: 29; Ego: 1,
#6: Sup: 67; Ego: 38,
Male: 241; Female: 229
}

<http://www.grapple369.com?idea:{m,241}&idea:{f,229}>

#229 as [#5, #50, #5, #100, #3, #5, #10, #1, #50] = energeia (G1753): {#35
as #229} 1) working, efficiency; 1a) in the New Testament used only of
superhuman power, whether of God or of the Devil;

#391 as [#70, #10, #20, #70, #50, #70, #40, #10, #1, #50] = oikonomia
(G3622): {#11 as #341} 1) the management of a household or of household
affairs; 1a) specifically, the management, oversight, administration, of
other's property; 1b) the office of a manager or overseer, stewardship; 1c)
administration, dispensation;

CONTEMPLATE@{
#1: Sup: 70; Ego: 70,
#2: Sup: 80; Ego: 10,
#3: Sup: 19; Ego: 20,
#4: Sup: 8; Ego: 70,
#5: Sup: 58; Ego: 50,
#6: Sup: 47; Ego: 70,
#7: Sup: 6; Ego: 40,
#8: Sup: 16; Ego: 10,
#9: Sup: 17; Ego: 1,
#10: Sup: 67; Ego: 50,
Male: 388; Female: 391
}

<http://www.grapple369.com?idea:{m,388}&idea:{f,391}>

The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) said the earthquake, which struck at 0334
HOURS (local), had a magnitude of 5.2 and occurred at a depth of 10 km (6
miles).”

<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-quake/quake-in-southeast-turkey-injures-39-state-news-agency-idUSKBN1HV0JP>

G3191@{
   #1: Sup: 40; Ego: 40,
   #2: Sup: 45; Ego: 5,
   #3: Sup: 75; Ego: 30,
   #4: Sup: 80; Ego: 5,
   #5: Sup: 56; Ego: 57,
   #6: Sup: 57; Ego: 1,
   Male: #353; Feme: #138
} // #381

#381 as [#40, #5, #30, #5, #300, #1] = meletao (G3191): {#11 as #1181} 1)
to care for, attend to carefully, practise; 2) to meditate ie. to devise,
contrive; 2a) used of the Greeks of the meditative pondering and the
practice of orators and rhetoricians;

G4686@{
   #1: Sup: 38; Ego: 38,
   #2: Sup: 37; Ego: 80,
   #3: Sup: 42; Ego: 5,
   #4: Sup: 52; Ego: 10,
   #5: Sup: 71; Ego: 19,
   #6: Sup: 72; Ego: 1,
   #7: Sup: 41; Ego: 50,
   Male: #353; Feme: #203
} // #446

#446 as [#200, #80, #5, #10, #100, #1, #50] = speira (G4686): {#35 as #396}
1) anything rolled into a circle or ball, anything wound, rolled up, folded
together; 2) a military cohort; 2a) the tenth part of legion; 2a1) about
600 men ie. legionaries; 2a2) if auxiliaries either 500 or 1000; 2a3) a
maniple, or the thirtieth part of a legion; 2b) any band, company, or
detachment, of soldiers;

G3120@{
   #1: Sup: 40; Ego: 40,
   #2: Sup: 41; Ego: 1,
   #3: Sup: 71; Ego: 30,
   #4: Sup: 72; Ego: 1,
   #5: Sup: 11; Ego: 20,
   #6: Sup: 81; Ego: 70,
   #7: Sup: 10; Ego: 10,
   #8: Sup: 48; Ego: 38,
   Male: #374; Feme: #210
} // #372

#372 as [#40, #1, #30, #1, #20, #70, #10, #200] = malakos (G3120): {#12 as
#362} 1) soft, soft to the touch; 2) metaph. in a bad sense; 2a)
effeminate; 2a1) of a catamite; 2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations
with a man; 2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness; 2a4)
of a male prostitute;

Nous: #42
Time: 13:45 hrs
Date: 2018.10.20
Torah: [#300, #1, #5]@{
#1: Sup: 57; Ego: 57,
#2: Sup: 58; Ego: 1,
#3: Sup: 63; Ego: 5,
Male: #178; Feme: #63
} // #306
Dao: Generating Things, Reason's Modifications
Tetra: #52 - Measure
I-Ching: H60 - Control, Restraint, Articulating, Limitation, Moderation

Latin: Salus {God who heals the ill} Alt: Alamyah {Vigor of God} {

1. PROTECTS AGAINST FIRE RUIN & COLLAPSE
2. HEALTH & LONGEVITY
3. PRUDENCE
4. Sithacer
}

Solar Eclipse: 21 June 2001 (AEST)

Nahshon {That foretells; that conjectures}

Transformative Prototype: *HOMOIOS* {#332 / #374} / HETEROS {#290 / #353}

<http://www.grapple369.com?zen:2,row:6,col:4,nous:42>

#414 as [#6, #5, #50, #3, #300, #10, #40] = nagas (H5065): {#4 as #353} 1)
to press, drive, oppress, exact, exert demanding pressure; 1a) (Qal); 1a1)
to press, drive; 1a2) to exact; 1a3) driver, taskmaster, ruler, oppressor,
tyrant, lord, exactor of tribute (participle); 1b) (Niphal) to be hard
pressed;

<http://www.grapple369.com?idea:{m,374}&idea:{f,353}>

SUPER (MALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER: #50 - Fantasies
of Avoiding Death, Value of Life; I-Ching: H2 - Pure Yin, Passive
Principle/Earth, Field, The receptive, Acquiescence, The flow; Tetra: 77 -
Compliance / INNER: #5 - Natural Guidance, Function of Emptiness; I-Ching:
H63 - Ferrying Complete, Completion & After, Already Fording; Tetra: 73 -
Already Fording, Completion} #374 has 7 Categories:

#1, #8, #10, #300, #50, #5 = chuwsh (H2363): {#0 as #314} 1) to haste, make
haste, hurry; 1a) (Qal) to make haste; 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to show haste,
act quickly, hasten, come quickly; 1b2) to enjoy, be excited; #10, #8,
#100, #200, #50, #6 = chaqar (H2713): {#1 as #308} 1) to search, search
for, search out, examine, investigate; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to search (for);
1a2) to search through, explore; 1a3) to examine thoroughly; 1b) (Niphal);
1b1) to be searched out, be found out, be ascertained, be examined; 1c)
(Piel) to search out, seek out; #6, #40, #8, #300, #20 = choshek (H2822):
{#2 as #328} 1) *DARKNESS*, *OBSCURITY*; 1a) *DARKNESS*; 1b) *SECRET*
*PLACE*; #40, #200, #70, #10, #4, #10, #40 = ra`ad (H7460): {#3 as #274} 1)
to tremble, quake; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to tremble; 1a2) (earth)quake; 1b)
(Hiphil) trembling (participle); #300, #2, #10, #2, #10, #50 = sebiyb
(Aramaic) (H7631): {#4 as #314} 1) flame; #5, #100, #8, #40, #10, #1, #10,
#200 = eremia (G2047): {#5 as #164} 1) *A* *SOLITUDE*, *AN* *UNINHABITED*
*REGION*, *A* *WASTE*; #20, #1, #40, #8, #300, #5 = kamno (G2577): {#6 as
#911} 1) *TO* *GROW* *WEARY*, *BE* *WEARY*; 2) to be sick;

EGO (FEMALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER: #29 - Deeming,
Non-Assertion; I-Ching: H36 - Suppression of the Light, Sinking/Darkening
of the Light, Brilliance injured, Intelligence hidden; Tetra: 67 -
Darkening / INNER: #25 - What's behind it all?, Imaging the Mysterious;
I-Ching: H62 - Minor Superiority, Small Excess, Small Exceeding,
Preponderance of the small, Small surpassing; Tetra: 10 - Defectiveness,
Distortion} #353 has 9 Categories:

#6, #30, #1, #60, #6, #200, #10, #40 = 'acar (H631): {#0 as #261} 1) to
tie, bind, imprison; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to tie, bind; 1a2) to tie, harness;
1a3) to bind (with cords); 1a4) to gird (rare and late); 1a5) *TO* *BEGIN*
*THE* *BATTLE*, *MAKE* *THE* *ATTACK*; 1a6) *OF* *OBLIGATION* *OF* *OATH*
(*FIGURATIVE*); 1b) (Niphal) to be imprisoned, bound; 1c) (Pual) to be
taken prisoner; #2, #1, #300, #10, #40 = be'ushiym (H891): {#1 as #359} 1)
stinking or worthless things, wild grapes, stinkberries; #5, #40, #200, #8,
#100 = Beyth ham-Merchaq (H1023): {#2 as #765} 1) house or settlement on
the bank of Kidron; #5, #8, #40, #300 = chomesh (H2570): {#3 as #348} 1)
belly, abdomen, fifth ribs; #30, #200, #3, #70, #10, #40 = rega` (H7281):
{#4 as #273} 1) a moment adv; 2) *FOR* *A* *MOMENT*, *AT* *ONE*
*MOMENT*...*AT* *ANOTHER* *MOMENT* *WITH* *PREP*; 3) in a moment; #6, #10,
#200, #80, #1, #50, #6 = rapha' (H7495): {#5 as #281} 1) *TO* *HEAL*,
*MAKE* *HEALTHFUL*; 1a) (Qal) *TO* *HEAL*; 1a1) *OF* *GOD*; 1a2) healer,
physician (of men); 1a3) *OF* *HURTS* *OF* *NATIONS* *INVOLVING* *RESTORED*
*FAVOUR* (*FIGURATIVE*); 1a4) of individual distresses (fig); 1b) (Niphal)
to be healed; 1b1) *LITERAL* (*OF* *PERSONS*); 1b2) of water, pottery; 1b3)
*OF* *NATIONAL* *HURTS* (*FIG*); 1b4) of personal distress (fig); 1c)
(Piel) to heal; 1c1) literal; 1c2) of national defects or hurts (fig); 1d)
(Hithpael) in order to get healed (infinitive); #6, #300, #2, #40, #5 =
Sebam (H7643): {#6 as #342} 1) one of the towns in the pastoral district on
the east of the Jordan in Moab; allotted to the tribes of Reuben and Gad;
#300, #50, #1, #2 = Shin'ab (H8134): {#7 as #353} 1) the king of Admah in
the time of Abraham; #40, #8, #300, #5 = mete (G3383): {#8 as #353} 1)
*AND* *NOT*, *NEITHER* ... *NOR*, *NOT* *SO*;

SEE ALSO: “THE SASHAYING POPEYED MAGGOTS ON A PICNIC TREAT (ANZAC
CENTENNIAL PREJUDICE)”

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/Popeye.pdf>

“But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these
things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom
against kingdom:

And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and
pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you,
delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before
kings and rulers for my name's sake.

And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall
answer:

FOR I WILL GIVE YOU A MOUTH AND WISDOM, WHICH ALL YOUR ADVERSARIES SHALL
NOT BE ABLE TO GAINSAY NOR RESIST.” [Luke 21:9-15 (KJV)]

- dolf

Initial Post: 24 April 2018
--
YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"



SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private “Saint Andrews” Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

<http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip> (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS
MattB
2018-04-25 02:42:30 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Sanitizer
2018-04-25 23:11:44 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Firstly whatever crap happens in the US is irrelevant to voting in OZ.
The US electoral system is deeply flowed as the outcomes clearly
demonstrate. In this respect Australia has nothing to learn from the USA.

Secondly we all know that arrogant right retards like yourself
desperately wish to get rid of any form social safety net the political
left is fighting for.

Thirdly you passionately despise all who for whatever reason must rely on
social support (why not just exterminate all of them ... glassing seems
to be your favoured method).

Fourthly the US Liberals are not even near the political left yet you'd
like to glass them all, too!

Lastly just FOAD, irrelevant and know nothing septic troll!
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Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Firstly whatever crap happens in the US is irrelevant to voting in OZ.
The US electoral system is deeply flowed as the outcomes clearly
demonstrate. In this respect Australia has nothing to learn from the USA.
Who said I was Talking about only the presidential system? Now who is
the head of your government according your Constitution?
Post by Sanitizer
Secondly we all know that arrogant right retards like yourself
desperately wish to get rid of any form social safety net the political
left is fighting for.
O fully support a social safety net. I just require some effort for
the abled bodied to say clean up their own yard and areas they live?
Help with painting and such?
Post by Sanitizer
Thirdly you passionately despise all who for whatever reason must rely on
social support (why not just exterminate all of them ... glassing seems
to be your favoured method).
No to me all projects and such should have a educational center to say
learn trades and such. Help people get off these programs. What is
wrong with that?
Post by Sanitizer
Fourthly the US Liberals are not even near the political left yet you'd
like to glass them all, too!
You still using this "Glassing" con. It has been show you lie in
using it.
Post by Sanitizer
Lastly just FOAD, irrelevant and know nothing septic troll!
Do you want to Glass me??
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Firstly whatever crap happens in the US is irrelevant to voting in OZ.
The US electoral system is deeply flowed as the outcomes clearly
demonstrate. In this respect Australia has nothing to learn from the USA.
Who said I was Talking about only the presidential system?
Your congressional electoral election system is also deeply flawed

Now who is
Post by MattB
the head of your government according your Constitution?
The Queen, great system
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Secondly we all know that arrogant right retards like yourself
desperately wish to get rid of any form social safety net the political
left is fighting for.
O fully support a social safety net. I just require some effort for
the abled bodied to say clean up their own yard and areas they live?
Help with painting and such?
Post by Sanitizer
Thirdly you passionately despise all who for whatever reason must rely on
social support (why not just exterminate all of them ... glassing seems
to be your favoured method).
No to me all projects and such should have a educational center to say
learn trades and such. Help people get off these programs. What is
wrong with that?
Post by Sanitizer
Fourthly the US Liberals are not even near the political left yet you'd
like to glass them all, too!
You still using this "Glassing" con. It has been show you lie in
using it.
Post by Sanitizer
Lastly just FOAD, irrelevant and know nothing septic troll!
Do you want to Glass me??
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Post by Sanitizer
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Firstly whatever crap happens in the US is irrelevant to voting in OZ.
The US electoral system is deeply flowed as the outcomes clearly
demonstrate. In this respect Australia has nothing to learn from the USA.
Who said I was Talking about only the presidential system?
Your congressional electoral election system is also deeply flawed
How so? If you are talking about how they do redistricting I agree.
Post by de chucka
Now who is
Post by MattB
the head of your government according your Constitution?
The Queen, great system
We have a King he calls himself Trump you want to trade? You can have
him. PLEASE.....
Post by de chucka
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Secondly we all know that arrogant right retards like yourself
desperately wish to get rid of any form social safety net the political
left is fighting for.
O fully support a social safety net. I just require some effort for
the abled bodied to say clean up their own yard and areas they live?
Help with painting and such?
Post by Sanitizer
Thirdly you passionately despise all who for whatever reason must rely on
social support (why not just exterminate all of them ... glassing seems
to be your favoured method).
No to me all projects and such should have a educational center to say
learn trades and such. Help people get off these programs. What is
wrong with that?
Post by Sanitizer
Fourthly the US Liberals are not even near the political left yet you'd
like to glass them all, too!
You still using this "Glassing" con. It has been show you lie in
using it.
Post by Sanitizer
Lastly just FOAD, irrelevant and know nothing septic troll!
Do you want to Glass me??
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Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Firstly whatever crap happens in the US is irrelevant to voting in OZ.
The US electoral system is deeply flowed as the outcomes clearly
demonstrate. In this respect Australia has nothing to learn from the USA.
Who said I was Talking about only the presidential system?
Your congressional electoral election system is also deeply flawed
How so? If you are talking about how they do redistricting I agree.
Post by de chucka
Now who is
Post by MattB
the head of your government according your Constitution?
The Queen, great system
We have a King he calls himself Trump you want to trade? You can have
him. PLEASE.....
Our HoS is purely ceremonial
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Post by Sanitizer
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level permitted
to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level permitted
to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Firstly whatever crap happens in the US is irrelevant to voting in OZ.
The US electoral system is deeply flowed as the outcomes clearly
demonstrate. In this respect Australia has nothing to learn from the USA.
Who said I was Talking about only the presidential system?
Your congressional electoral election system is also deeply flawed
How so? If you are talking about how they do redistricting I agree.
Post by de chucka
Now who is
Post by MattB
the head of your government according your Constitution?
The Queen, great system
We have a King he calls himself Trump you want to trade? You can have
him. PLEASE.....
Our HoS is purely ceremonial
You can still have Trump. Your HoS is ceremonial and ours is a idiot.
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We have a King he calls himself Trump you want to trade? You can have
him. PLEASE.....
Our HoS is purely ceremonial
You can still have Trump. Your HoS is ceremonial and ours is a idiot.
Yep Trump is thick as a brick but unfortunately letting him over here
would lower the average IQ of both countries
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2018-04-26 03:41:27 UTC
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Post by MattB
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Post by MattB
We have a King he calls himself Trump you want to trade? You can have
him. PLEASE.....
Our HoS is purely ceremonial
You can still have Trump. Your HoS is ceremonial and ours is a idiot.
Yep Trump is thick as a brick but unfortunately letting him over here
would lower the average IQ of both countries
Funny. You do have Dolf.......a average Aussie.
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We have a King he calls himself Trump you want to trade?  You can have
him.  PLEASE.....
Our HoS is purely ceremonial
You can still have Trump.  Your HoS is ceremonial and ours is a idiot.
Yep Trump is thick as a brick but unfortunately letting him over here
would lower the average IQ of both countries
"thick as a brick" ... good album by Jethro Tull, 1970's!!
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Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level
permitted to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level
permitted to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Firstly whatever crap happens in the US is irrelevant to voting in OZ.
The US electoral system is deeply flowed as the outcomes clearly
demonstrate. In this respect Australia has nothing to learn from the USA.
Who said I was Talking about only the presidential system? Now who is
the head of your government according your Constitution?
In OZ we vote for parties which provide the government of the day not the
head of state who usually just provide a ceremonial stamp on the created
laws. That is the nature of our democratic constitutional monarchy.
So what is your point? Can't you post anything that makes sense in a
relevant way?
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Secondly we all know that arrogant right retards like yourself
desperately wish to get rid of any form social safety net the political
left is fighting for.
O fully support a social safety net. I just require some effort for the
abled bodied to say clean up their own yard and areas they live? Help
with painting and such?
Have you actually heard of the "work for the Dole" scheme implemented in
OZ?
Of course, you haven't, yet you find it necessary to post to aus.politics
things about Australian politics.
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Thirdly you passionately despise all who for whatever reason must rely
on social support (why not just exterminate all of them ... glassing
seems to be your favoured method).
No to me all projects and such should have a educational center to say
learn trades and such. Help people get off these programs.
What is
wrong with that?
The wrong is your badly hidden fundamental (fundamentalist) hate against
those who would actually create such programs and but necessarily would
use public funds to do it!
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Fourthly the US Liberals are not even near the political left yet you'd
like to glass them all, too!
You still using this "Glassing" con. It has been show you lie in using
it.
No it hasn't been...at least not more so than your stupid accusations
targetting certain posters in this ng asserting that they are supporting
terrorism and the extermination of the Jews!

Don't you like the taste of your own medicine?

What is good for the goose must be good for the gander, so suck it up or
fuck off from aus.politics.
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Lastly just FOAD, irrelevant and know nothing septic troll!
Do you want to Glass me??
No need to. You can just fuck off back to your septic Trumpland and let
your crappy environment finish that job.
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Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:57:47 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
But the usual IQ test will see those *over* a particular level
permitted to vote. That necessarily excludes you.
Want another go? What about those *under* a particular level
permitted to vote? That gets you a foot in the door.
If the USA made a law those collecting welfare could not vote the
Liberals would lose the majority of their votes.
Firstly whatever crap happens in the US is irrelevant to voting in OZ.
The US electoral system is deeply flowed as the outcomes clearly
demonstrate. In this respect Australia has nothing to learn from the USA.
Who said I was Talking about only the presidential system? Now who is
the head of your government according your Constitution?
In OZ we vote for parties which provide the government of the day not the
head of state who usually just provide a ceremonial stamp on the created
laws. That is the nature of our democratic constitutional monarchy.
So what is your point? Can't you post anything that makes sense in a
relevant way?
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Secondly we all know that arrogant right retards like yourself
desperately wish to get rid of any form social safety net the political
left is fighting for.
O fully support a social safety net. I just require some effort for the
abled bodied to say clean up their own yard and areas they live? Help
with painting and such?
Have you actually heard of the "work for the Dole" scheme implemented in
OZ?
No is it good and is it something you think would work in the States?
Post by Sanitizer
Of course, you haven't, yet you find it necessary to post to aus.politics
things about Australian politics.
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Thirdly you passionately despise all who for whatever reason must rely
on social support (why not just exterminate all of them ... glassing
seems to be your favoured method).
No to me all projects and such should have a educational center to say
learn trades and such. Help people get off these programs.
What is
wrong with that?
The wrong is your badly hidden fundamental (fundamentalist) hate against
those who would actually create such programs and but necessarily would
use public funds to do it!
Where have you even seen that from me?
Post by Sanitizer
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Fourthly the US Liberals are not even near the political left yet you'd
like to glass them all, too!
You still using this "Glassing" con. It has been show you lie in using
it.
No it hasn't been...at least not more so than your stupid accusations
targetting certain posters in this ng asserting that they are supporting
terrorism and the extermination of the Jews!
OK So it is wrong lf I do it but Ok if you so and all because you are
a Aussie?
Post by Sanitizer
Don't you like the taste of your own medicine?
What is good for the goose must be good for the gander, so suck it up or
fuck off from aus.politics.
Post by MattB
Post by Sanitizer
Lastly just FOAD, irrelevant and know nothing septic troll!
Do you want to Glass me??
No need to. You can just fuck off back to your septic Trumpland and let
your crappy environment finish that job.
Only have a few more years of Trump. If he would resign would be
nice.
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Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What are you on about?
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Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What are you on about?
This was early 90's? There was a large number of invalid votes because
of voters not understanding how to vote
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Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What are you on about?
This was early 90's? There was a large number of invalid votes because
of voters not understanding how to vote
What changes were made before the 91 election?
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Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What are you on about?
This was early 90's? There was a large number of invalid votes because
of voters not understanding how to vote
What changes were made before the 91 election?
Didn't seem a problem for me
But if you marked X instead of 1 the vote was marked invalid major
majority of voters just check one box (still the same today) not vote
1,2,3,4 etc.

May 24, 1991 - Friday, May 24, 1991 9 The Sydney Morning Herald
*******************OCR*******************
After consulting the Crown Solicitor, Mr Hugh Roberts, he decided to
add a "numbers) only" warning to ballot papers for the Legislative
Assembly.

When choosing a candidate to represent their electorate in the
Legislative Assembly, voters will be allowed to either choose one
candidate only, or choose their most-preferred candidate and continue
voting for other candidates, ranking them by preference.

Either way, a number "1" must be marked against the name of their
first-choice candidate.

(To vote for more candidates, mark consecutive numbers against their
names, in order of preference, ie a 2 beside the' second-choice
candidate's name, a "3" beside the third-choice, and so on.

When voting for the Legislative Council, voters will be able to vote
for a group ticket by marking "1" in the square beside that group's
name.

Preferences will then be distributed automatically in the order
registered by the group with the Electoral Commissioner.

Otherwise, voters may mark their own preferences, but they must
nominate at least 10 candidates.
************************
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ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What are you on about?
This was early 90's? There was a large number of invalid votes because
of voters not understanding how to vote
What changes were made before the 91 election?
Didn't seem a problem for me
But if you marked X instead of 1 the vote was marked invalid major
majority of voters just check one box (still the same today) not vote
1,2,3,4 etc.
Oh that's right, remember that now doubled the informal vote iirc. Ah
those were the days. Never quite figured out why Greiner wasn't found
guilty of corruption in a court given Temby's comment "by a notional
jury as conducting himself contrary to known and recognised standards of
honesty and integrity"
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What are you on about?
This was early 90's? There was a large number of invalid votes because
of voters not understanding how to vote
What changes were made before the 91 election?
Didn't seem a problem for me
But if you marked X instead of 1 the vote was marked invalid major
majority of voters just check one box (still the same today) not vote
1,2,3,4 etc.
Oh that's right, remember that now doubled the informal vote iirc. Ah
those were the days. Never quite figured out why Greiner wasn't found
guilty of corruption in a court given Temby's comment "by a notional
jury as conducting himself contrary to known and recognised standards of
honesty and integrity"
He's still a crook gets commissions on things like Sydney's light
rail.
--
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ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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Didn't seem a problem for me But if you marked X instead of 1 the vote
was marked invalid major majority of voters just check one box (still
the same today) not vote 1,2,3,4 etc.
Err, no. Courts have decided other wise.
Your X will count as long as it can, but since it can not be allocated to
other preferences, then and only then it becomes invalid.

Learned this from actually being a polling official and having to submit
counts.
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2018-04-24 04:57:44 UTC
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Didn't seem a problem for me But if you marked X instead of 1 the vote
was marked invalid major majority of voters just check one box (still
the same today) not vote 1,2,3,4 etc.
Err, no. Courts have decided other wise.
Your X will count as long as it can, but since it can not be allocated to
other preferences, then and only then it becomes invalid.
Learned this from actually being a polling official and having to submit
counts.
Was 91 the first election with optional preferential voting in the NSW
lower house? You still have to put a 1 in the box for your candidate and
have the option of 2 3 etc.It isn't like voting above the line in the
Upper House
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Didn't seem a problem for me But if you marked X instead of 1 the vote
was marked invalid major majority of voters just check one box (still
the same today) not vote 1,2,3,4 etc.
Err, no. Courts have decided other wise.
Your X will count as long as it can, but since it can not be allocated to
other preferences, then and only then it becomes invalid.
Learned this from actually being a polling official and having to submit
counts.
Was 91 the first election with optional preferential voting in the NSW
lower house? You still have to put a 1 in the box for your candidate and
have the option of 2 3 etc.It isn't like voting above the line in the
Upper House
You've got a good memory. Our papers just arrive in the post sometime
after they ask us if we still qualify to be silent electors and we then
vote and send the papers off but I'd have trouble telling you a week
later what the ballot papers looked like.
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2018-04-24 02:12:52 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
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Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help.
Well be glad that isn't applied as you would never be allowed within
several miles of any polling booth.
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
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Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What did Nick Greiner do exactly?
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
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Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What did Nick Greiner do exactly?
if you marked X instead of 1 the vote was marked invalid major
majority of voters just check one box (still the same today) not vote
1,2,3,4 etc.

May 24, 1991 - Friday, May 24, 1991 9 The Sydney Morning Herald
*******************OCR*******************
After consulting the Crown Solicitor, Mr Hugh Roberts, he decided to
add a "numbers) only" warning to ballot papers for the Legislative
Assembly.

When choosing a candidate to represent their electorate in the
Legislative Assembly, voters will be allowed to either choose one
candidate only, or choose their most-preferred candidate and continue
voting for other candidates, ranking them by preference.

Either way, a number "1" must be marked against the name of their
first-choice candidate.

(To vote for more candidates, mark consecutive numbers against their
names, in order of preference, ie a 2 beside the' second-choice
candidate's name, a "3" beside the third-choice, and so on.

When voting for the Legislative Council, voters will be able to vote
for a group ticket by marking "1" in the square beside that group's
name.

Preferences will then be distributed automatically in the order
registered by the group with the Electoral Commissioner.

Otherwise, voters may mark their own preferences, but they must
nominate at least 10 candidates.
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ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:20:01 +1000, Pelican
Post by Pelican
Post by Petzl
Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
I can name one other whose cage must be kept locked at all times.
A simple IQ test on ballot would help. Nick Greiner did this years
ago, decimated the Labor vote.
What did Nick Greiner do exactly?
Changed it to optional preferential voting
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Why?? Because you think "they" vote for the other side to which you vote??
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Why?? Because you think "they" vote for the other side to which you vote??
They vote Labor, expose their genitals to elderly folk, then go off to
eat babies
I tend to vote for the MP that lives closest to me.
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ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Why?? Because you think "they" vote for the other side to which you vote??
They vote Labor,
LOL. I KNEW you were clueless and would get it wrong!

expose their genitals to elderly folk, then go off to
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eat babies
I tend to vote for the MP that lives closest to me.
That does not surprise me. Doing that is not very smart.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Why?? Because you think "they" vote for the other side to which you vote??
:-)) But he'd be wrong. I'm sure he's not figured out how any of the
three of us he's mentioned vote. All of us who are mentioned have
figured it out and we don't all vote the same (or the same way at all
times except for one of us and we three also know who that one person is).
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Why?? Because you think "they" vote for the other side to which you vote??
:-)) But he'd be wrong.  I'm sure he's not figured out how any of the
three of us he's mentioned vote.  All of us who are mentioned have
figured it out and we don't all vote the same (or the same way at all
times except for one of us and we three also know who that one person is).
I think I'm still in trouble for voting for Gash
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Why?? Because you think "they" vote for the other side to which you vote??
:-)) But he'd be wrong.  I'm sure he's not figured out how any of the
three of us he's mentioned vote.  All of us who are mentioned have
figured it out and we don't all vote the same (or the same way at all
times except for one of us and we three also know who that one person is).
I think I'm still in trouble for voting for Gash
I always liked her. I'll tell you a secret but don't tell anyone else,
she used to sleep in the House and not in a motel.
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Why?? Because you think "they" vote for the other side to which you vote??
:-)) But he'd be wrong.  I'm sure he's not figured out how any of the
three of us he's mentioned vote.  All of us who are mentioned have
figured it out and we don't all vote the same (or the same way at all
times except for one of us and we three also know who that one person is).
I think I'm still in trouble for voting for Gash
I always liked her.  I'll tell you a secret but don't tell anyone else,
she used to sleep in the House and not in a motel.
No it wasn't Joanna Gash it was Alby
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Too many of Ordog, Fran, Dechucker, Pelican types who shouldn't be
allowed to vote
Why?? Because you think "they" vote for the other side to which you vote??
:-)) But he'd be wrong.  I'm sure he's not figured out how any of
the three of us he's mentioned vote.  All of us who are mentioned
have figured it out and we don't all vote the same (or the same way
at all times except for one of us and we three also know who that
one person is).
I think I'm still in trouble for voting for Gash
I always liked her.  I'll tell you a secret but don't tell anyone
else, she used to sleep in the House and not in a motel.
No it wasn't Joanna Gash it was Alby
You voted for Alby???? He was a decent enough human being but
politically................. I'm going to have to keep a sharp eye on you.
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With Shorten, it's solely his own deficiencies that are the problem.
With Turnbull, he has the external problem of Abbott and his small gang
of cretins. Admittedly, Turnbull lacks the political guts to take them
on.
Good Lord! I agree with all of that paragraph!
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They are both the same,
Actually they aren't.
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With Shorten, it's solely his own deficiencies that are the problem.
With Turnbull, he has the external problem of Abbott and his small gang
of cretins. Admittedly, Turnbull lacks the political guts to take them
on.
Good Lord! I agree with all of that paragraph!
Maybe you need to be on meds, look who you agreed with!!
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They are both the same,
Actually they aren't.
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 13:30:57 +1000, Pelican
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With Shorten, it's solely his own deficiencies that are the problem.
With Turnbull, he has the external problem of Abbott and his small gang
of cretins.  Admittedly, Turnbull lacks the political guts to take them
on.
Good Lord!  I agree with all of that paragraph!
Maybe you need to be on meds, look who you agreed with!!
:-)) Hence the "Good Lord".
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They are both the same,
Actually they aren't.
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Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently
all Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so
please don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in
the last 2 years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers
and business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle
it, he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Issues about the parasites in the investment industry go back to the
beginning of universal compulsory superannuation in Australia.  That's
when very large amounts of money began accumulating in funds that had
to be invested by professionals
How are they parasites?  Their job is to direct funds in the most
productive direction.
while making sure big chunks are going in their pockets
As far as I am concerned, unless the advisor is a millionaire he is
useless, not doing a good job advising himself,obviously
Voters will believe their excuses and still vote for those behind this
scam!
Wake up petz and follow the thread. Voters do NOT vote for financial
advisers or investment professionals.
You don't think they will vote for Coalition/Labor
As strange as it may seem to people like you who love to see conspiracy
theories everywhere, neither Labor nor the LNP is behind any scams done
by banks, financial advisors or investment professionals.
Post by Petzl
You need to wake-up
Thankfully, not as much as you.
Post by Petzl
Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
That is not hard. He's was put there by the party to which he belongs.
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
1. Because the majority (or larger portion) of the registered voters in
his Electorate who bothered to submit legitimate votes thought he was
the better choice,

2. The party/affiliation to which he belongs won the majority (or
largest portion) of the seats in the lower house of the Australian
Parliament, and,

3. That Party/Affiliation thought he was the best they had to offer as
leader!!
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Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
1. Because the majority (or larger portion) of the registered voters in
his Electorate who bothered to submit legitimate votes thought he was
the better choice,
2. The party/affiliation to which he belongs won the majority (or
largest portion) of the seats in the lower house of the Australian
Parliament, and,
3. That Party/Affiliation thought he was the best they had to offer as
leader!!
Rubbish he paid $1.7million with a promise of I'll do what the
corporate owners tell me to
!
Parties are not part of Australia's constitution and there never was a
position for PM, only a elected Governor General
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*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for China,Islam, Sharia.
and against Christian morals, religious freedom!
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:43:08 +1000, Daniel60
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Post by Petzl
Why you think the creep Turnbull is now PM?
1. Because the majority (or larger portion) of the registered voters in
his Electorate who bothered to submit legitimate votes thought he was
the better choice,
2. The party/affiliation to which he belongs won the majority (or
largest portion) of the seats in the lower house of the Australian
Parliament, and,
3. That Party/Affiliation thought he was the best they had to offer as
leader!!
Rubbish he paid $1.7million with a promise of I'll do what the
corporate owners tell me to
!
Parties are not part of Australia's constitution and there never was a
position for PM, only a elected Governor General
As far as I know you are correct about the Prime Minister position not
being mentioned in the Constitution .... but "a rose by any other name
.....", so we could just call them "Leader" or "Boss" or ....

I've never heard about the Constitution mentioning an elected Governor
General, though!!
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Rubbish he paid $1.7million with a promise of I'll do what the
corporate owners tell me to
!
Parties are not part of Australia's constitution and there never was a
position for PM, only a elected Governor General
As far as I know you are correct about the Prime Minister position not
being mentioned in the Constitution .... but "a rose by any other name
.....", so we could just call them "Leader" or "Boss" or ....
I've never heard about the Constitution mentioning an elected Governor
General, though!!
At the time of the debates it was raised by Sir George Grey"Sir
George Grey's motion, which would have allowed the election of the
Governor-General, was lost by a majority of 35 to 3."

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/Publications_Archive/Background_Papers/bp9798/98bp12
The prospect of electing the Governor-General was raised by Sir George
Grey, a representative of New Zealand at the 1891 Sydney Convention.
The argument he presented is one that has been recently revived: that
every Australian should be able to aspire to the achievement of every
office in the country. Sir George argued:

I believe in my own mind that it is essential to you that every one of
your officers should be elected by the people of this country. Even in
the case of your governor-general I believe the people ought to have
the right of choosing who that man shall be.... They will choose well,
they will choose wisely, and no nation can be perfect-unless an
imperial nation-a young offset, as we should be, of an imperial
nation, we should not be perfect, unless the people had every office
open to their ambition, and unless it were known that the really great
and good men of the country could rise to the highest position, and
exercise the highest duties in it.(3)

On 1 April 1891, Sir George Grey pursued this theme by moving that
clause 2 of the draft Constitution be amended to state that 'there
shall be' a Governor-General, thus allowing different methods for the
Governor-General's selection, including election. He considered that a
person who is appointed is 'much less fitted to exercise [social and
political] functions than a governor-general chosen by the people of
the country would be'.(4) He argued that election 'opens paths of
distinction to [every citizen] if they prove themselves great and
deserving men'.(5)

Sir George also argued that the people should not be taxed in order to
pay the salary of the Governor-General if they are deprived of the
opportunity of being the Governor-General themselves, or of the right
to vote to elect him.(6) He concluded that the 'great office' of
Governor-General should be 'open at all times to that man in Australia
who is deemed the greatest, and worthiest, and fittest to hold so
noble a post, and to satisfy his fellow citizens that they have wisely
chosen one who will be an honour to the whole community'.(7)

Text2Speech
https://www.naturalreaders.com/online?s=V2ezwm07j0qcggcsccc80k4cok0.pdf&t=NaturalReader%20Document
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Post by Petzl
Rubbish he paid $1.7million with a promise of I'll do what the
corporate owners tell me to
!
Parties are not part of Australia's constitution and there never was a
position for PM, only a elected Governor General
As far as I know you are correct about the Prime Minister position not
being mentioned in the Constitution .... but "a rose by any other name
.....", so we could just call them "Leader" or "Boss" or ....
I've never heard about the Constitution mentioning an elected Governor
General, though!!
At the time of the debates it was raised by Sir George Grey"Sir
George Grey's motion, which would have allowed the election of the
Governor-General, was lost by a majority of 35 to 3."
Never in the Constitution, which you claim it is, and roundly defeated
because it was a stupid idea

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Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently all
Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so please
don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in the last 2
years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers and
business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle it,
he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Very slippery-slope dealing with banks
Governments will turn a blind eye, bad news to do much else.
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Great lawyers know the judge
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Talking about historical revisionism. All of this mess is apparently all
Wayne Swann's fault because he didn't do anything in 2010 so please
don't mention that Labor called for a banking RC 20 times in the last 2
years and Turnball/Morrison opposed it EVERY time.
Remember "Mr Turnbull dismissed the idea of a royal commission as
recently as Tuesday after claiming for years that the exercise would
waste money on lawyers without ­producing an outcome for ­consumers and
business."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/banks-turnbull-supersizes-new-inquiry-with-assault-on-unioncontrolled-funds/news-story/256b9073f01fc5afeb166bf7e7dc1f64
Morrison claimed it was a political witch-hunt and ASIC could handle it,
he then cut $120 million from ASICs budget
Yeah. Piss poor performance.
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