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Cardinal George Pell will face trial on homosex-offense charges
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Leroy N. Soetoro
2018-05-02 19:56:47 UTC
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b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48

SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.

After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.

Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.

After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.

She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.

Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.

“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”

A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.

“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.

Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.

But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.

A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.

Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.

“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.

During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.

On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.

As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
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MattB
2018-05-03 18:19:18 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Patrick B
2018-05-03 18:42:30 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
MattB
2018-05-03 19:16:46 UTC
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
Patrick B
2018-05-03 21:35:52 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
R☼d
2018-05-03 23:14:30 UTC
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
I think so as well. It looks like a few scammers trying
to jump on the money train.
Patrick B
2018-05-04 12:15:54 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
I think so as well. It looks like a few scammers trying
to jump on the money train.
And I am really surprised that a bunch of "me-too's" haven't seen the
lawyers for their piece of the pie.
MattB
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.


1 John 4:1

4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.

Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Patrick B
2018-05-04 12:21:09 UTC
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So your gift is prophesying.
As I said earlier:
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.

I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.

My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
MattB
2018-05-04 18:53:09 UTC
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Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
Maybe people should call Melissa and Christopher and ask them about
you Patrick. 8536
Patrick B
2018-05-04 20:20:19 UTC
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Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is te "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
Maybe people should call Melissa and Christopher and ask them about
you Patrick. 8536
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
MattB
2018-05-04 20:32:48 UTC
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Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
In post Message-ID: <***@4ax.com> you
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is te "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
So you just stalk me?
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
Maybe people should call Melissa and Christopher and ask them about
you Patrick. 8536
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Maybe you are just defending yourself and your past actions?
Patrick B
2018-05-04 22:11:59 UTC
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Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Quote me.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Where is the lie?
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is te "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
So you just stalk me?
I answer your questions.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Maybe you are just defending yourself and your past actions?
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
MattB
2018-05-04 22:29:29 UTC
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Post by MattB
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Quote me.
It is the post. You just edited it out.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Where is the lie?
All three of them is a lie.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I and my Dad don't need defending should people call Melissa and
Christopher Kalt of Dayton, OH and see if you do?
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is te "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
So you just stalk me?
I answer your questions.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Maybe you are just defending yourself and your past actions?
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I and my Dad don't need defending should people call Melissa and
Christopher Kalt of Dayton, OH and see if you do?
Patrick B
2018-05-05 00:23:33 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Quote me.
It is the post. You just edited it out.
Quote me.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Where is the lie?
All three of them is a lie.
Where is the lie?
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I and my Dad don't need defending should people call Melissa and
Christopher Kalt of Dayton, OH and see if you do?
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is te "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
So you just stalk me?
I answer your questions.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Maybe you are just defending yourself and your past actions?
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I and my Dad don't need defending should people call Melissa and
Christopher Kalt of Dayton, OH and see if you do?
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
R☼d
2018-05-04 22:40:53 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?

And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?

Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?

I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...

and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
MattB
2018-05-04 22:56:03 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for? Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
Post by R☼d
I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...
Can you provide ANY evidence of this?
Post by R☼d
and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
R☼d
2018-05-04 23:57:37 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
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Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
Do you have the proof I requested?
Post by MattB
Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Where is your proof that Duke and Patrick are defending pedophiles
and helping to cover up pedophilia?
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
Post by R☼d
I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...
Can you provide ANY evidence of this?
Just as you can't provide evidence that Patrick and Duke are guilty of
defending pedophiles and helping to cover up pedophilia in the church.
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
All humankind has some evil in them or they would not sin
MattB
2018-05-05 03:11:16 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
Do you have the proof I requested?
The manner of his replies is all the proof one needs.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Where is your proof that Duke and Patrick are defending pedophiles
and helping to cover up pedophilia?
Most people know what he is and those that support him.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
Post by R☼d
I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...
Can you provide ANY evidence of this?
Just as you can't provide evidence that Patrick and Duke are guilty of
defending pedophiles and helping to cover up pedophilia in the church.
His lies and deceit of these post say it all.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
All humankind has some evil in them or they would not sin
Maybe but do not ask me to ignore or cover such up.
R☼d
2018-05-05 11:36:33 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
Do you have the proof I requested?
The manner of his replies is all the proof one needs.
If that were true he would be shamed and shunned by other
catholics. Take notice of the fact that he isn't. The truth
is that you don't have any evidence, do you?
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Where is your proof that Duke and Patrick are defending pedophiles
and helping to cover up pedophilia?
Most people know what he is and those that support him.
You don't have any evidence, do you?
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
Post by R☼d
I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...
Can you provide ANY evidence of this?
Just as you can't provide evidence that Patrick and Duke are guilty of
defending pedophiles and helping to cover up pedophilia in the church.
His lies and deceit of these post say it all.
Then you have said likewise about yourself with your
own testimony, Matt.
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
All humankind has some evil in them or they would not sin
Maybe but do not ask me to ignore or cover such up.
MattB
2018-05-05 18:25:33 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
Do you have the proof I requested?
The manner of his replies is all the proof one needs.
If that were true he would be shamed and shunned by other
catholics. Take notice of the fact that he isn't. The truth
is that you don't have any evidence, do you?
I'm not the one putting him on trail. If guilty hope they hang him.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Where is your proof that Duke and Patrick are defending pedophiles
and helping to cover up pedophilia?
Most people know what he is and those that support him.
You don't have any evidence, do you?
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
Post by R☼d
I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...
Can you provide ANY evidence of this?
Just as you can't provide evidence that Patrick and Duke are guilty of
defending pedophiles and helping to cover up pedophilia in the church.
His lies and deceit of these post say it all.
Then you have said likewise about yourself with your
own testimony, Matt.
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
All humankind has some evil in them or they would not sin
Maybe but do not ask me to ignore or cover such up.
R☼d
2018-05-05 23:12:41 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
Do you have the proof I requested?
The manner of his replies is all the proof one needs.
If that were true he would be shamed and shunned by other
catholics. Take notice of the fact that he isn't. The truth
is that you don't have any evidence, do you?
I'm not the one putting him on trail. If guilty hope they hang him.
But what will you say if they find him innocent?
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Where is your proof that Duke and Patrick are defending pedophiles
and helping to cover up pedophilia?
Most people know what he is and those that support him.
You don't have any evidence, do you?
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
Post by R☼d
I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...
Can you provide ANY evidence of this?
Just as you can't provide evidence that Patrick and Duke are guilty of
defending pedophiles and helping to cover up pedophilia in the church.
His lies and deceit of these post say it all.
Then you have said likewise about yourself with your
own testimony, Matt.
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
All humankind has some evil in them or they would not sin
Maybe but do not ask me to ignore or cover such up.
MattB
2018-05-05 23:17:01 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
Do you have the proof I requested?
The manner of his replies is all the proof one needs.
If that were true he would be shamed and shunned by other
catholics. Take notice of the fact that he isn't. The truth
is that you don't have any evidence, do you?
I'm not the one putting him on trail. If guilty hope they hang him.
But what will you say if they find him innocent?
Then he will be released.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Where is your proof that Duke and Patrick are defending pedophiles
and helping to cover up pedophilia?
Most people know what he is and those that support him.
You don't have any evidence, do you?
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
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And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
Post by R☼d
I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...
Can you provide ANY evidence of this?
Just as you can't provide evidence that Patrick and Duke are guilty of
defending pedophiles and helping to cover up pedophilia in the church.
His lies and deceit of these post say it all.
Then you have said likewise about yourself with your
own testimony, Matt.
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and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
All humankind has some evil in them or they would not sin
Maybe but do not ask me to ignore or cover such up.
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2018-05-05 23:33:25 UTC
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
Do you have the proof I requested?
The manner of his replies is all the proof one needs.
If that were true he would be shamed and shunned by other
catholics. Take notice of the fact that he isn't. The truth
is that you don't have any evidence, do you?
I'm not the one putting him on trail. If guilty hope they hang him.
But what will you say if they find him innocent?
Then he will be released.
And apologized to for labeling him as a pedophile in public
when the court found him innocent? How do you undo the destruction
of another mans reputation and life?
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Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Where is your proof that Duke and Patrick are defending pedophiles
and helping to cover up pedophilia?
Most people know what he is and those that support him.
You don't have any evidence, do you?
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
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And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
Post by R☼d
I get the impression that you want to kill anyone accused of
pedophilia immediately without a trial...
Can you provide ANY evidence of this?
Just as you can't provide evidence that Patrick and Duke are guilty of
defending pedophiles and helping to cover up pedophilia in the church.
His lies and deceit of these post say it all.
Then you have said likewise about yourself with your
own testimony, Matt.
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Post by MattB
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and that is blind hatred with only one cause...evil having
taken root in your heart.
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
All humankind has some evil in them or they would not sin
Maybe but do not ask me to ignore or cover such up.
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for? Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Do you hate evil?
MattB
2018-05-05 03:11:57 UTC
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for? Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Do you hate evil?
That is a tricky question.
R☼d
2018-05-05 23:30:01 UTC
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Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for? Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Do you hate evil?
That is a tricky question.
I already have your answer Matt. Thank you.
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2018-05-06 02:45:57 UTC
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for? Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Do you hate evil?
That is a tricky question.
I already have your answer Matt. Thank you.
OK Will you be commanding the earth to shake and the heavens to
open?
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for? Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Do you hate evil?
That is a tricky question.
I already have your answer Matt. Thank you.
OK Will you be commanding the earth to shake and the heavens to
open?
+ What is wrong with you?
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Why do you keep insisting that he is defending pedophiles? Can
you show me ONE sentence where Patrick of Duke have told you to
stop attacking pedophiles?
Why do you think he lies so much about me for? Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Post by R☼d
And why do you hate the catholic church so badly that you want
to tarnish their name forever?
No hate as I hate few things.
Do you hate evil?
That is a tricky question.
I already have your answer Matt. Thank you.
OK Will you be commanding the earth to shake and the heavens to
open?
Lol!
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2018-05-05 00:29:36 UTC
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Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
Post by MattB
Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Why do you think of such a stupid thing?
Do you like to make shit up about EVERYTHING?

Grow up.
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Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
But you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
Post by MattB
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
Then stop defending larry.
Stop pretending you don't know of him.
MattB
2018-05-05 03:39:52 UTC
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Post by MattB
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
Patrick Barker Wrote:
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."

"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."

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Post by MattB
Do you think that is
telling me it is OK to despise Pedophiles and those that cover it up?
Why do you think of such a stupid thing?
Do you like to make shit up about EVERYTHING?
Grow up.
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Post by R☼d
Nothing that I have seen Patrick or Duke say has ever defended
a pedophile, other than speaking out for their right to a fair
trial?
All have the right to a fair trail. I've never said they didn't.
But you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
Do I as most the time all I do is post a current news article.
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Post by MattB
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
Then stop defending larry.
Stop pretending you don't know of him.
I don't know him. Thought you claimed to have seen my school records
shouldn't you know I wasn't raised in Washington State? Did you
lie...again?
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2018-05-05 13:03:23 UTC
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Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
But you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
Do I as most the time all I do is post a current news article.
you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
Then stop defending larry.
Stop pretending you don't know of him.
I don't know him. Thought you claimed to have seen my school records
shouldn't you know I wasn't raised in Washington State? Did you
lie...again?
I saw the school you enrolled in.
I could not find any graduation record of you.
Thousands of other kids.
Just not you.
I wonder why?
Could it be that you never graduated from high school?

Why not tell the whole class the truth?
MattB
2018-05-05 19:17:50 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.

The again you lie and those that aid you also lie to defend pedophile
priest.
Post by Patrick B
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
ROFL. You are funny. Tell you what you post all you have and I'll
post all I have.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
But you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
Do I as most the time all I do is post a current news article.
you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
I'm applying your standard of evidence. If they are not guilty let
them prove it.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Those that defend and cover up the rape of kids are evil to me.
Then stop defending larry.
Stop pretending you don't know of him.
I don't know him. Thought you claimed to have seen my school records
shouldn't you know I wasn't raised in Washington State? Did you
lie...again?
I saw the school you enrolled in.
Yet you have never posted it?
Post by Patrick B
I could not find any graduation record of you.
Now that is strange. What name did you use?
Post by Patrick B
Thousands of other kids.
Just not you.
I wonder why?
Could it be that you never graduated from high school?
Why not tell the whole class the truth?
Fact is how can you be sure it was me do you know how many Matt Brooks
are in the USA. You don't know my middle name. Face it Patrick
Barker you are a liar that lies to defend Pedophile Priests.
Patrick B
2018-05-05 20:05:05 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
Post by MattB
The again you lie and those that aid you also lie to defend pedophile
priest.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
ROFL. You are funny. Tell you what you post all you have and I'll
post all I have.
Why should I?
You know I have the truth.
And the only thing you have is denials.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
But you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
Do I as most the time all I do is post a current news article.
you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
I'm applying your standard of evidence. If they are not guilty let
them prove it.
How do you prove you didn't grab some kid's balls 40 years ago?
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I saw the school you enrolled in.
Yet you have never posted it?
Post by Patrick B
I could not find any graduation record of you.
Now that is strange. What name did you use?
Yours. The same name I used when you enrolled.
The same name was that absent from the graduation rolls.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Thousands of other kids.
Just not you.
I wonder why?
Could it be that you never graduated from high school?
Why not tell the whole class the truth?
Fact is how can you be sure it was me do you know how many Matt Brooks
are in the USA. You don't know my middle name. Face it Patrick
Barker you are a liar that lies to defend Pedophile Priests.
How many matt brooks are there in Skaggit County where you live?
How many sons named matty lives close to larry?
You screwed up big time when you slipped and let us know where you
live. And you are still regretting it.
MattB
2018-05-05 20:22:55 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
By your method they don't need any evidence. They just make a claim
Pell can't or won't provide a counter he dies. Simple.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
The again you lie and those that aid you also lie to defend pedophile
priest.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
Seems many now you defend pedophiles and yet have your supporters
people who are not Christians.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
ROFL. You are funny. Tell you what you post all you have and I'll
post all I have.
Why should I?
Why not. You want to play that game I'm all for it.
Post by Patrick B
You know I have the truth.
No you lie and so many know you are lying.
Post by Patrick B
And the only thing you have is denials.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
But you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
Do I as most the time all I do is post a current news article.
you have proclaimed them to be guilty every time you open your
yap. You are one sad puppy.
I'm applying your standard of evidence. If they are not guilty let
them prove it.
How do you prove you didn't grab some kid's balls 40 years ago?
Not my problem if they can't or won't they should be put to death is
your own standard Patrick Barker.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I saw the school you enrolled in.
Yet you have never posted it?
Post by Patrick B
I could not find any graduation record of you.
Now that is strange. What name did you use?
Yours. The same name I used when you enrolled.
The same name was that absent from the graduation rolls.
So you don't know. How stupid you can be LOL.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Thousands of other kids.
Just not you.
I wonder why?
Could it be that you never graduated from high school?
Why not tell the whole class the truth?
Fact is how can you be sure it was me do you know how many Matt Brooks
are in the USA. You don't know my middle name. Face it Patrick
Barker you are a liar that lies to defend Pedophile Priests.
How many matt brooks are there in Skaggit County where you live?
At least 2.
Post by Patrick B
How many sons named matty lives close to larry?
Don't know as I don't know Larry.
Post by Patrick B
You screwed up big time when you slipped and let us know where you
live. And you are still regretting it.
Hate to tell you this reject that info was around long before you
tried to act like a moderator. Really doesn't matter. If you could
find them there are post that tell why I moved and even where in more
detail. They are even post that tell my middle name and yet you don't
know it. How stupid can you be. All the records you lie about seeing
would have it listed. You are so Catholic in your lies.

This is all you have to use to defend pedophile Priest and people like
you who IMO are also a Pedophile. Maybe you were raped at Great Falls
Central Catholic High School and liked it. Who knows.
Patrick B
2018-05-05 22:04:55 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
By your method they don't need any evidence.
They don't have any eveidence.
Post by MattB
They just make a claim
Pell can't or won't provide a counter he dies. Simple.
That is how it works sometimes.
Old people die.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
The again you lie and those that aid you also lie to defend pedophile
priest.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
Seems many now you defend pedophiles and yet have your supporters
people who are not Christians.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
ROFL. You are funny. Tell you what you post all you have and I'll
post all I have.
Why should I?
Why not. You want to play that game I'm all for it.
I've already provided the names and dates of the high school and
colleges that I graduated from.
Your turn.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
You know I have the truth.
No you lie and so many know you are lying.
You know I have the truth.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
And the only thing you have is denials.
How do you prove you didn't grab some kid's balls 40 years ago?
Not my problem if they can't or won't they should be put to death is
your own standard Patrick Barker.
Speak English.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Fact is how can you be sure it was me do you know how many Matt Brooks
are in the USA. You don't know my middle name. Face it Patrick
Barker you are a liar that lies to defend Pedophile Priests.
How many matt brooks are there in Skaggit County where you live?
At least 2.
How funny.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
How many sons named matty lives close to larry?
Don't know as I don't know Larry.
He is your dad.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
You screwed up big time when you slipped and let us know where you
live. And you are still regretting it.
Hate to tell you this reject that info was around long before you
tried to act like a moderator. Really doesn't matter. If you could
find them there are post that tell why I moved and even where in more
detail. They are even post that tell my middle name and yet you don't
know it. How stupid can you be. All the records you lie about seeing
would have it listed. You are so Catholic in your lies.
This is all you have to use to defend pedophile Priest and people like
you who IMO are also a Pedophile. Maybe you were raped at Great Falls
Central Catholic High School and liked it. Who knows.
Are you done whining?
Now, how about telling the class.... the WHOLE truth.
You are a looser, and you can't put lipstick on a pig.
de chucka
2018-05-05 22:11:27 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
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Post by MattB
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
By your method they don't need any evidence.
They don't have any eveidence.
How do you know?. There was enough evidence for him to be committed to
stand trial after the committal hearing. OK that only means that there
is a prospect for a guilty finding but it means there is evidence to be
tested
Patrick B
2018-05-06 00:10:25 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
By your method they don't need any evidence.
They don't have any eveidence.
How do you know?. There was enough evidence for him to be committed to
stand trial after the committal hearing. OK that only means that there
is a prospect for a guilty finding but it means there is evidence to be
tested
How do I know?
Because some prosecutors go well beyond their limitations to make a
name for themselves. It has happened many times in the past. In case
you forget, a Philly DA convicted Mnsgr Lynn and later Lynn was
released due to false evidence.
Another Philly DA got some grand jury to indict the Philadelphia
diocese for keeping 37 active pedo priests in the ministry.
Of course this was also shown to be bull shit. Half of those priests
were dead. Another third was retired. A few had been defrocked.

They say the DA can indict a ham sandwich.

Wait and see.

Pell won't spend a day in jail.
de chucka
2018-05-06 01:56:11 UTC
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Post by de chucka
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
By your method they don't need any evidence.
They don't have any eveidence.
How do you know?. There was enough evidence for him to be committed to
stand trial after the committal hearing. OK that only means that there
is a prospect for a guilty finding but it means there is evidence to be
tested
How do I know?
You don't
Post by Patrick B
Because some prosecutors go well beyond their limitations to make a
name for themselves. It has happened many times in the past. In case
you forget, a Philly DA convicted Mnsgr Lynn and later Lynn was
released due to false evidence.
Happening in Australia where we don't have elected prosecutors
Post by Patrick B
Another Philly DA got some grand jury to indict the Philadelphia
diocese for keeping 37 active pedo priests in the ministry.
Of course this was also shown to be bull shit. Half of those priests
were dead. Another third was retired. A few had been defrocked.
What about the rest of them. IIRC the diocese like your one was found
guilty and declared bankruptcy
Post by Patrick B
They say the DA can indict a ham sandwich.
Wait and see.
I shall unlike you
Post by Patrick B
Pell won't spend a day in jail.
Patrick B
2018-05-06 11:16:42 UTC
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They don't have any eveidence.
How do you know?. There was enough evidence for him to be committed to
stand trial after the committal hearing. OK that only means that there
is a prospect for a guilty finding but it means there is evidence to be
tested
How do I know?
You don't
+ Wait and see.
Post by R☼d
Post by Patrick B
Because some prosecutors go well beyond their limitations to make a
name for themselves. It has happened many times in the past. In case
you forget, a Philly DA convicted Mnsgr Lynn and later Lynn was
released due to false evidence.
Happening in Australia where we don't have elected prosecutors
And it is not possible that they are TV hounds looking for praise and
glory? Kinda like the most dangerous thing in the world is to get
between Stormy Daniels' lawyer and a camera.
Post by R☼d
Post by Patrick B
Another Philly DA got some grand jury to indict the Philadelphia
diocese for keeping 37 active pedo priests in the ministry.
Of course this was also shown to be bull shit. Half of those priests
were dead. Another third was retired. A few had been defrocked.
What about the rest of them. IIRC the diocese like your one was found
guilty and declared bankruptcy
What about them?
Admit what?
Of course I admit that some evil fag priests abused their position
and sexually abused children.
Of course I admit that bishops were dumbfounded as to what
they should do. Since most victims and families wanted to keep
the abuse quiet, the bishops looked for other solutions. They sought
advice from the leading shrinks of the day, and by God, they were
stupid enough to follow that advice. And because of this, the church
has paid out $ 3 Billion to the lawyers of the victims who came
forward 40 years after the fact.

Those bishops sent those offending evil fag priests to treatment
centers were they were "cured." Since the RCC is in the forgiveness
business, not the punishment business, they again made more
mistakes by believing the repentant evil fag priest was sorry for
his sins, and they allowed him to remain in the ministry.
I admit this was a bad decision on the part of the bishops

This is all fact. Of course I admit it.
The evil fag priests were bad. Of course I admit it.
The bishops were stupid and made the wrong choices. I admit that.

The fact is that YOU refuse to admit that perhaps the RCC
made its mistakes, admitted its mistakes, paid for those mistakes,
and has made positive corrective actions to prevent this from
ever happening again. No fag priest is now allowed in the ministry.
As soon as any priest is accused of misconduct, he is immediately
removed from the ministry. The bishops all have marching orders
to cooperate with civil authorities when it comes to this crime.

You don't want to let this go, because you have another agenda
against the RCC. You feel you were wronged by the RCC in some
way - perhaps because they informed you that YOU are totally
responsible for your bad decisions and your actions. You have
some sort of sin that you feel should be accepted by the church.
And you are pissed because the RCC refuses to let you off the hook.
What is your particular sin? Abortion? Divorce? Homosexual acts?
What is it?

Most Catholics were shocked when the crisis first came about.
They were disturbed, wary, and wanted explanations.
There were no good excuses. However, after studying the
problem, most Catholics have just come to realize that the
priests that they held so high on pedestals were merely humans.
And, the bishops were dumbstruck on how to handle the problem.
Most Catholics have now accepted the fact that mistakes were
made, poor decisions, and some hushing up to protect the
victims and accused. The bishops looked for quiet solutions,
and they found out that there aren't any.
Protocols have changed, and those same decisions will
never be made again.
Most Catholics are watching, praying and will remain vigilant.
The outsiders are still trying to raise mobs and start bonfires.
Post by R☼d
Post by Patrick B
They say the DA can indict a ham sandwich.
Wait and see.
I shall unlike you
Post by Patrick B
Pell won't spend a day in jail.
de chucka
2018-05-06 20:13:17 UTC
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They don't have any eveidence.
How do you know?. There was enough evidence for him to be committed to
stand trial after the committal hearing. OK that only means that there
is a prospect for a guilty finding but it means there is evidence to be
tested
How do I know?
You don't
+ Wait and see.
Why don't you
Post by Patrick B
Post by R☼d
Post by Patrick B
Because some prosecutors go well beyond their limitations to make a
name for themselves. It has happened many times in the past. In case
you forget, a Philly DA convicted Mnsgr Lynn and later Lynn was
released due to false evidence.
Happening in Australia where we don't have elected prosecutors
And it is not possible that they are TV hounds looking for praise and
glory?
Not under our system
Post by Patrick B
Kinda like the most dangerous thing in the world is to get
between Stormy Daniels' lawyer and a camera.
Well she's got her hush money
Post by Patrick B
Post by R☼d
Post by Patrick B
Another Philly DA got some grand jury to indict the Philadelphia
diocese for keeping 37 active pedo priests in the ministry.
Of course this was also shown to be bull shit. Half of those priests
were dead. Another third was retired. A few had been defrocked.
What about the rest of them. IIRC the diocese like your one was found
guilty and declared bankruptcy
What about them?
They were guilty of covering up chil abuse
Post by Patrick B
Admit what?
Of course I admit that some evil fag priests abused their position
and sexually abused children.
Of course I admit that bishops were dumbfounded as to what
they should do. Since most victims and families wanted to keep
the abuse quiet, the bishops looked for other solutions. They sought
advice from the leading shrinks of the day, and by God, they were
stupid enough to follow that advice. And because of this, the church
has paid out $ 3 Billion to the lawyers of the victims who came
forward 40 years after the fact.
Great thing that it was held up for covering up criminal offences
Post by Patrick B
Those bishops sent those offending evil fag priests to treatment
centers were they were "cured." Since the RCC is in the forgiveness
business, not the punishment business, they again made more
mistakes by believing the repentant evil fag priest was sorry for
his sins, and they allowed him to remain in the ministry.
I admit this was a bad decision on the part of the bishops
This is all fact. Of course I admit it.
The evil fag priests were bad. Of course I admit it.
The bishops were stupid and made the wrong choices. I admit that.
The fact is that YOU refuse to admit that perhaps the RCC
made its mistakes, admitted its mistakes, paid for those mistakes,
and has made positive corrective actions to prevent this from
ever happening again. No fag priest is now allowed in the ministry.
As soon as any priest is accused of misconduct, he is immediately
removed from the ministry. The bishops all have marching orders
to cooperate with civil authorities when it comes to this crime.
good, the RCC was dragged kicking and screaming to this posistion
Post by Patrick B
You don't want to let this go, because you have another agenda
against the RCC.
No I am against all those organizations hat covered up criminal behavior

You feel you were wronged by the RCC in some
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way - perhaps because they informed you that YOU are totally
responsible for your bad decisions and your actions. You have
some sort of sin that you feel should be accepted by the church.
And you are pissed because the RCC refuses to let you off the hook.
What is your particular sin? Abortion? Divorce? Homosexual acts?
What is it?
I'm not Roman Catholic so don't give a stuff about their bizarre rules
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Most Catholics were shocked when the crisis first came about.
They were disturbed, wary, and wanted explanations.
There were no good excuses.
You've spent a long time making excuses as did he RCC

However, after studying the
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problem, most Catholics have just come to realize that the
priests that they held so high on pedestals were merely humans.
And, the bishops were dumbstruck on how to handle the problem.
Most Catholics have now accepted the fact that mistakes were
made, poor decisions, and some hushing up to protect the
victims and accused. The bishops looked for quiet solutions,
and they found out that there aren't any.
Protocols have changed, and those same decisions will
never be made again.
Most Catholics are watching, praying and will remain vigilant.
The outsiders are still trying to raise mobs and start bonfires.
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They say the DA can indict a ham sandwich.
Wait and see.
I shall unlike you
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Pell won't spend a day in jail.
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Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
By your method they don't need any evidence.
They don't have any eveidence.
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They just make a claim
Pell can't or won't provide a counter he dies. Simple.
That is how it works sometimes.
Old people die.
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The again you lie and those that aid you also lie to defend pedophile
priest.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
Seems many now you defend pedophiles and yet have your supporters
people who are not Christians.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
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And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
ROFL. You are funny. Tell you what you post all you have and I'll
post all I have.
Why should I?
Why not. You want to play that game I'm all for it.
I've already provided the names and dates of the high school and
colleges that I graduated from.
Your turn.
You have claimed to have seen them. Why would I need provide them
unless you lied...
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You know I have the truth.
No you lie and so many know you are lying.
You know I have the truth.
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And the only thing you have is denials.
How do you prove you didn't grab some kid's balls 40 years ago?
Not my problem if they can't or won't they should be put to death is
your own standard Patrick Barker.
Speak English.
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Fact is how can you be sure it was me do you know how many Matt Brooks
are in the USA. You don't know my middle name. Face it Patrick
Barker you are a liar that lies to defend Pedophile Priests.
How many matt brooks are there in Skaggit County where you live?
At least 2.
How funny.
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How many sons named matty lives close to larry?
Don't know as I don't know Larry.
He is your dad.
ROFL
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You screwed up big time when you slipped and let us know where you
live. And you are still regretting it.
Hate to tell you this reject that info was around long before you
tried to act like a moderator. Really doesn't matter. If you could
find them there are post that tell why I moved and even where in more
detail. They are even post that tell my middle name and yet you don't
know it. How stupid can you be. All the records you lie about seeing
would have it listed. You are so Catholic in your lies.
This is all you have to use to defend pedophile Priest and people like
you who IMO are also a Pedophile. Maybe you were raped at Great Falls
Central Catholic High School and liked it. Who knows.
Are you done whining?
Now, how about telling the class.... the WHOLE truth.
You are a looser, and you can't put lipstick on a pig.
Why would I put lipstick on Barbara?
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Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
By your method they don't need any evidence.
They don't have any eveidence.
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They just make a claim
Pell can't or won't provide a counter he dies. Simple.
That is how it works sometimes.
Old people die.
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The again you lie and those that aid you also lie to defend pedophile
priest.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
Seems many now you defend pedophiles and yet have your supporters
people who are not Christians.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
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And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
ROFL. You are funny. Tell you what you post all you have and I'll
post all I have.
Why should I?
Why not. You want to play that game I'm all for it.
I've already provided the names and dates of the high school and
colleges that I graduated from.
Your turn.
You have claimed to have seen them. Why would I need provide them
unless you lied...
I didn't lie.
I said you never graduated from your high school graduating class.
And a GED is not the same thing.
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Why do you think he lies so much about me for?
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
That isn't how it work according to Patrick Barker
Quote
"That is not how it works.
You made a stupid claim.
I call you on it.
I call you a liar because what you said is patently false."
"It is up to you to prove your stupid lie."
End quote
+ You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd. However, we all know you are afraid to
provide real facts because they can then be fact checked.
They should use this on Pell and all Catholic Priest accused of
Pedophilia. Good idea Patrick Barker.
Of course it is a good idea.
I thought of it.
And since there will be no evidence provided, Pell will be found not
guilty. You see, that is how it works.
By your method they don't need any evidence.
They don't have any eveidence.
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They just make a claim
Pell can't or won't provide a counter he dies. Simple.
That is how it works sometimes.
Old people die.
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The again you lie and those that aid you also lie to defend pedophile
priest.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
Seems many now you defend pedophiles and yet have your supporters
people who are not Christians.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedophile.
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And that little procedure would certainly prove that I am right, and
you are a big bunch of lies.
ROFL. You are funny. Tell you what you post all you have and I'll
post all I have.
Why should I?
Why not. You want to play that game I'm all for it.
I've already provided the names and dates of the high school and
colleges that I graduated from.
Your turn.
You have claimed to have seen them. Why would I need provide them
unless you lied...
I didn't lie.
I said you never graduated from your high school graduating class.
And a GED is not the same thing.
Yet you can provide no evidence? Not the State or name of the school?
Patrick you will lie to defend pedophiles is proven.
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I said you never graduated from your high school graduating class.
And a GED is not the same thing.
Yet you can provide no evidence? Not the State or name of the school?
Patrick you will lie to defend pedophiles is proven.
'I do npt defend you, larry, or any pedophile.
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
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and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
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1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
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Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
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That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
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I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
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My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is the "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
Lol!
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Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
Maybe people should call Melissa and Christopher and ask them about
you Patrick. 8536
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Your God is one sick dude looking at the evil done in his name. BTW is
your diocese still bankrupt from all the sexual abuse claims?
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Your God is one sick dude looking at the evil done in his name.
Jo mama.
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BTW is
your diocese still bankrupt from all the sexual abuse claims?
Why would it be?
Oh, BTW, have your mom send us another check.
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So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Your God is one sick dude looking at the evil done in his name. BTW is
your diocese still bankrupt from all the sexual abuse claims?
Let's face facts. You don't know God. Here's the stupidity: acts "done in
his name". Haahaahaa. Don't you mean "acts done in the name of satan"?

the dukester, American-American


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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.

So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.


Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.

The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
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That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

1 Ti 5:19

1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.

2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.

Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
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To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
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Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
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Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
Patrick B
2018-05-04 20:22:52 UTC
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Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
Stop trolling.
MattB
2018-05-04 20:37:51 UTC
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Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
Stop trolling.
That what the kids say about you Patrick. Then they run.
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2018-05-04 22:12:36 UTC
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Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
Stop trolling.
That what the kids say about you Patrick. Then they run.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?

Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!

Why is it that you don't understand this?
MattB
2018-05-04 22:25:20 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.

Article says "Cardinal George Pell will face trial " You saying he is
above needing to go to a trail?

You need to read what I post not what pedo defender Patrick Barker
says I post.
R☼d
2018-05-04 23:07:30 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
Post by MattB
Article says "Cardinal George Pell will face trial " You saying he is
above needing to go to a trail?
Did I say that anywhere? Show me where I have even hinted at such
a thing.
Post by MattB
You need to read what I post not what pedo defender Patrick Barker
says I post.
I have read what you have said. You are convicting the Cardinal of
pedophilia without a trial.
dolf
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
He hasn’t been convicted of treason either but that ought not prevent us
from calling his actions seditious...
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Article says "Cardinal George Pell will face trial " You saying he is
above needing to go to a trail?
Did I say that anywhere? Show me where I have even hinted at such
a thing.
Post by MattB
You need to read what I post not what pedo defender Patrick Barker
says I post.
I have read what you have said. You are convicting the Cardinal of
pedophilia without a trial.
— KARL MARX 200TH ANNIVERSARY: THE WORLD IS FINALLY READY FOR MARXISM AS
CAPITALISM REACHES THE TIPPING POINT

(c) 2018 Dolf Leendert Boek, Revision: 5 May 2018

YOUSSEF EL-GINGIHY (THE INDEPENDENT) @ 2300 HOURS (BST) ON 4 MAY 2018: “The
philosopher Karl Marx (5 May 1818 - 14 March 1883) predicted that
centralisation would lead to revolution and give birth to a
post-capitalist society – globalisation has led us to that point.”

<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/karl-marx-anniversary-a8334241.html>

The following ideas on HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] were expressed {

G2089@{
   #1: Sup: 5; Ego: 5,
   #2: Sup: 62; Ego: 57,
   #3: Sup: 72; Ego: 10,
   Male: #139; Feme: #72
} // #315

#315 as [#5, #300, #10] = eti (G2089): {#14 as #315} 1) yet, still; 1a) of
time; 1a1) of a thing which went on formerly, whereas now a different state
of things exists or has begun to exist; 1a2) of a thing which continues at
present; 1a2a) even, now; 1a3) with negatives; 1a3a) no longer, no more;
1b) of degree and increase; 1b1) even, yet; 1b2) besides, more, further;

H560@{
   #1: Sup: 30; Ego: 30,
   #2: Sup: 70; Ego: 40,
   #3: Sup: 71; Ego: 1,
   #4: Sup: 30; Ego: 40,
   #5: Sup: 68; Ego: 38,
   Male: #269; Feme: #149
} // #311

#311 as [#30, #40, #1, #40, #200] = 'amar (Aramaic) (H560): {#2 as #241} 1)
(P'al) to say, to speak, to command, to tell, to relate;

} some 100 years (if not millennia) earlier than Karl Marx.

Nous: #8
Time: 05:35 hrs
Date: 2018.6.14
Torah: [#30, #1, #6]@{
#1: Sup: 30; Ego: 30,
#2: Sup: 31; Ego: 1,
#3: Sup: 37; Ego: 6,
Male: #98; Feme: #37
} // #37

Dao: Worth of Water, Easy By Nature
Tetra: #40 - Law/Model
I-Ching: H48 - The Well, Welling

Latin: Deprecabilis {Admirable God} Alt: Dambyah {Flowing Blood of God} {

1. AIDS REFRESHING NIGHT-TIME SLEEP, AGAINST SADNESS
2. THE HIGH SCIENCES, MARVELOUS DISCOVERIES
3. MUSICIANS, POETS, LITERATURE & PHILOSOPHY
4. Phuor
}
Serug {Branch, Layer; twining}

Transformative Prototype: *HOMOIOS* {#315 / #311} / HETEROS {#261 / #284}

<http://www.grapple369.com?time:5.37>

***@zen: 4, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 8 [Super: #315 / #24 - Important
Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Waiting, Delay,
Attending, Waiting, Moistened, Arriving; Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #311 /
#8 - Worth of Water, Easy By Nature; I-Ching: H48 - The Well, Welling;
Tetra: 40 - Law/Model]

But what if the paradigm of thinking as Immanuel Kant (22 April 1724 – 12
February 1804) postulates within his Critique of Pure Reason (1781 / 1787)
as the trinomial mathematical theoretical noumenon was the basis of
governance?

I QUOTE: "In the third chapter of the "Analytic of Principles," on
phenomena and noumena, Kant in Critique of Pure Reason (1781 and second
edition 1787) emphasizes that because the categories must always be applied
to data provided by sensibility in order to provide cognition, and because
the data of sensibility are structured by the transcenden­tally ideal forms
of intuition, the categories give us knowledge only of things as they
appear with sensibility ("phenomena," literally "that which appears").

Although through pure understanding (nous in Greek) we may think of objects
independently of their being given in sensibil­ity, we can never cognize
them as such non-sensible entities ("noumena," literally "that which is
thought" as a subject of some 112 mentions). The meaning of Kant's use of
the term "phenomena" is self-evident, but the meaning of "noumena" is not,
since it literally means not "things as they are in­ dependently of
appearing to us" but something more like "things as they are understood by
pure thought." Yet Kant appears to deny that the human understanding can
comprehend things in the latter way."

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/kant-first-critique-cambridge.pdf>

*THUS* *I* *AM* *PROFFERING* *AN* *INFORMED* *AND* *REASONED* *OPINION*
*AS* *THAT* *WHICH* *IMMANUEL* *KANT* *STATES* *IS* *AN* *IMPOSSIBILITY*
*FOR* *A* *HUMAN* *BEING* *TO* *ACCOMPLISH* *BY* *TRANSCENDENT*
*SAPIENTIAL* *THOUGHT* *AND* *CAPABLY* *DEMONSTRATE* *IT'S* *TEMPORAL*
*CONGRUENCE* *AS* *COHERENCE* *BY* *A* *MATHEMATICAL* *THEORETICAL*
*NOUMENON* *AS* *AN* *INTELLECTUAL* *PROPERTY* *WHICH* *IMMANUEL* *KANT*
*HIMSELF* *CALLS* *NOUMENA* *AS* *THE* *PROOF* *OF* *A* *VALID* *AND*
*RATIONAL* *CONCEPT* *ATTAINED* *BY* *PURE* *THOUGHT*.

FOR EXAMPLE:

Here is a poem written at 0857 hours that is directly associated by
temporal relativity to the noumena conveying two explicit CATEGORIES OF
UNDERSTANDING that whilst linguistically HEBREW / GREEK {ie. 24 x 7 x 13 =
#2,184 / #364 = 6D as ‘OTH being a cosmological anthropic principle
defining ratiocination: 22 / 7} operate as an equivalent of electronic STEM
cells by which DYNAMIC NATURAL ASSOCIATIONS occur as fostering of IDEAS
with other media types.

That the CATEGORIES are then redacted to their bifurcation of male / feme
pairing so as to ascertain the GNOMIC IMPERATIVE instruction set substrata
relationship and its OSMOSIS intersection points to the noumena operation
of MIND by the dialectic of INTELLECTUS AS GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTUS:

— FINE AND DANDY —

“MY HAIR IS NEVER A MESS.
JUST NUMBER TWO WAHL.
I LOVE 💕 WASH AND WEAR.
IT’S SO EASY TO BARBER.

AND I MUST CONFESS.
THERE’S NO EYES KOHL.
BEING BLONDE ‘N FAIR.
THE LOOK TO HARBOUR.”

H1548@{
   #1: Sup: 5; Ego: 5,
   #2: Sup: 81; Ego: 76,
   #3: Sup: 3; Ego: 3,
   #4: Sup: 33; Ego: 30,
   #5: Sup: 41; Ego: 8,
   #6: Sup: 47; Ego: 6,
   Male: #210; Feme: #128
} // #452

#452 as [#5, #400, #3, #30, #8, #6] = galach (H1548): {#2 as #41} 1) to
poll, shave, shave off, be bald; 1a) (Piel); 1a1) to shave; 1a2) to shave
off; 1a3) (fig. of devastation); 1b) (Pual) to be shaven; 1c) (Hithpael) to
shave oneself;

G3659@{
   #1: Sup: 70; Ego: 70,
   #2: Sup: 29; Ego: 40,
   #3: Sup: 69; Ego: 40,
   #4: Sup: 70; Ego: 1,
   #5: Sup: 46; Ego: 57,
   #6: Sup: 47; Ego: 1,
   Male: #331; Feme: #209
} // #452

#452 as [#70, #40, #40, #1, #300, #1] = omma (G3659): {#15 as #151} 1) an
eye;

Nous: #31
Time: 08:55 hrs
Date: 2018.8.5
Torah: [#10, #200, #400]@{
#1: Sup: 10; Ego: 10,
#2: Sup: 48; Ego: 38,
#3: Sup: 43; Ego: 76,
Male: #101; Feme: #124
} // #610

Dao: Military Stratagem, Quelling War
Tetra: #51 - Constancy
I-Ching: H32 - Perseverance, Endurance, Duration, Constancy

Latin: Spes {God who punishes the wicked} Alt: Saitel {Roaming of God} {

1. PROTECTS AGAINST UNJUST ATTACKS, CONFOUNDING ONE'S ENEMIES
2. PROPAGATES LIGHT, CIVILISATION & LIBERTY
3. PEACE, JUSTICE, SCIENCES & THE ARTS
4. Hepe
}

Solar Eclipse: 4 December 2002 (AEST) + 28 years

Amminadab {My people is liberal}

Transformative Prototype: *HOMOIOS* {#344 / #452} / HETEROS {#326 / #443}

<http://www.grapple369.com/?time:8.57>

***@zen: 4, row: 4, col: 5, nous: 31 [Super: #344 / #77 - Natural
Guide, Heaven's Reason; I-Ching: H12 - Obstruction, Standstill
(stagnation), Selfish persons; Tetra: 57 - Guardedness, Ego: #452 / #31 -
Military Stratagem, Quelling War; I-Ching: H32 - Perseverance, Endurance,
Duration, Constancy; Tetra: 51 - Constancy]

H7140@{
   #1: Sup: 6; Ego: 6,
   #2: Sup: 36; Ego: 30,
   #3: Sup: 55; Ego: 19,
   #4: Sup: 12; Ego: 38,
   #5: Sup: 20; Ego: 8,
   Male: #129; Feme: #101
} // #344

YOUTUBE: “Ice Ice Baby (Vanilla Ice)”



#344 as [#6, #30, #100, #200, #8] = qerach (H7140): {#10 as #308} 1) frost,
ice, ice crystal; 1a) frost (of night); 1b) *ICE*;

FACEBOOK VIDEO: "Block of ice falling from sky terrifies London street
cleaner"

<https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/videos/10155989843921636/>

G716@{
   #1: Sup: 1; Ego: 1,
   #2: Sup: 20; Ego: 19,
   #3: Sup: 60; Ego: 40,
   #4: Sup: 61; Ego: 1,
   #5: Sup: 37; Ego: 57,
   #6: Sup: 47; Ego: 10,
   Male: #226; Feme: #128
} // #452

YOUTUBE: “The Horses 🐎 (Daryl Braithwaite)



#452 as [#1, #100, #40, #1, #300, #10] = harma (G716): {#12 as #142} 1) a
chariot; 2) of war *CHARIOTS* (ie. armed with scythes); 3) chariots (drawn
with many horses);

That it is then the time and deterministic opportunity for a #391 - HOMOIOS
dispensation as the sapient global artificial intelligence knowledge
economy ... {#311 as [#6, #5, #200, #20, #30, #10, #40] = rakal (H7402):
{#14 as #250} 1) to go about (meaning dubious); 1a) (Qal) trafficker,
trader (participle) (subst)}

"Beside that he had of the merchantmen, and of the traffic of the spice
{rakal-merchant [H7402]: #311} merchants {rakal-merchant [H7402]: #311},
and of all the kings of Arabia, and of the governors of the country."
[1Kings 10:15]

YOUTUBE: "He who controls the Spice...!"



“Thou hast multiplied thy merchants {rakal-merchant [H7402]: #311} above
the stars of heaven: the cankerworm spoileth, and fleeth away." [Nahum
3:16]

FIRSTLY I AM GOING TO SELF-DESCRIBE THE COGNITIVE PROCESS BY PROPOSITION OF
A HYPOTHETICAL Y-M-T-A MODEL WHICH I EQUALLY APPLY TO CHROMOSOMES:

#YOD - IS THE #CENTRE OF REALITY AS THE BEGINNING OF A WORD

#MEM - IS THE DELIMITATION OF ANY COGNITIVE EVENT AS THE ENDING OF A WORD

#TAU - IS THE CIRCUMSCRIBING OF ANY REALITY EVENT WHEREBY THE PROCESS AS
DISAMBIGUATION OF A WORD OCCURS

#ALEPH - IS THEN THE NEUROLOGICAL STREAMING OF THE COMPREHENSION



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[IMAGE: The eye {Y-M-T-A} glyph]

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that
was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
[John 1:1-5 (KJV)]

Most readers would realise that our Y-M-T-A model applies equally to the
New York / Pentagon TERRORIST EVENT of 11 September 2001:

STOICHEION OF THE KOSMOS

#YOD - IS THE #CENTRE OF REALITY IN SOVEREIGNTY AS OUR PRIME MINISTER JOHN
HOWARD IN NEW YORK ON 10 SEPTEMBER 2001 as HEAVEN {Divine GODHEAD which is
the Mind of Christ as *HYPOSTATIS*} +

#MEM - IS THE DELIMITATION OF ANY COGNITIVE EVENT AS THE CUSTODIAL SEIZURE
OF #41 - CENTRE {#6000 % 22 = 13} ON 13 SEPTEMBER 2001 as EARTH {DAO-ziran
(Chinese) / COURSE-trochos (Greek) OF NATURE-genesis [James 3:6]} +

#TAU - IS THE CIRCUMSCRIBING OF ANY REALITY EVENT AS EQUINOX @ 2305 HOURS
(GMT) UPON 22 SEPTEMBER 2001 as MAN {HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T]} +

<http://www.grapple369.com/?time:23.5>

***@zen: 2, row: 9, col: 8, nous: 1 [Super: #349 / #6 - Female
Superiority, Completion of Form; I-Ching: H25 - No Errancy, Without
Embroiling, Innocence, Pestilence; Tetra: 66 - Departure, Ego: #235 / #1 -
To Guide with Names, Reason's Realisation; I-Ching: H58 - Joy, Open, Lake;
Tetra: 24 - Joy]

#ALEPH - IS THEN THE #REPRISE OF THE WEEK UPON SUNDAY AS 23 SEPTEMBER 2001
{23 CHROMOSOME ELEMENTS AS THEORY OF GENDER}

“Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer
thou me.

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou
hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched
the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner
stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for
joy?

Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued
out of the womb?

When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a
swaddlingband for it,

And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy
proud waves be stayed?

Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to
know his place;

That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be
shaken out of it?

It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be
broken.

Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the
search of the depth?

Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors
of the shadow of death?

Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it
all.

Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the
place thereof,

That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest
know the paths to the house thereof?

Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy
days is great?

Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the
treasures of the hail,

Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of
battle and war?” [Job 36:1-41 (KJV)]

— PINOCCHIO’S PARADOX —

“THERE ONCE WAS A BOY.
WHO COULD TALK CROW.
AN EPIC BIG AS TOLSTOY.
FANNY TICKLE, NOSE GROW.

TWAS FOR LOVE OF RACH[I]EL.
SO DID NOT REALLY CARE.
OF ANY TRUTH TO COMPEL.
NOR OF CONCEIT DESPAIR.

VIVID PORTRAITS VAN GOGH.
EACH TIME TRUTH DISPLACE.
ONE DAY WAS MAD ENOUGH.
TO CUT AN EAR SPITING FACE.”

NOTES: Russian author Leo Tolstoy’s ‘War and Peace’ was serialized within
The Russian Messenger from 1865 to 1867. The entire novel was published by
1869 as comprised some 1,225 pages being a substantial accomplishment.

Adventures of Pinocchio was serially published by Italian author Carlo
Collodi between 1881 to 1882 and finally during February 1883. And the
Dutch artist Vincent Van Gogh at 35 yo cut off his ear on the evening of 23
December 1888 and gave it to a prostitute.

RACH[I]EL: is within the Cabala schema, one of the angelic luminaries
concerned with human sexuality (ie. Eros and Evil). Is one of the presiding
spirits of #175 - VENUS. Has been depicted as one of 3 angels of Friday:

Sachiel {covering of God} is an angel of the Cherubim and the presiding
spirit of the planet #34 - JUPITER; Whereas Sachiel-Melek was a king of the
underworld hierarchy governing priesthoods and sacrifices.

ANAEL: controls kingdoms and kings on earth in having dominion over the
moon. And proclaims: “Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which
keepeth the truth may enter in.

Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because
he trusteth in thee.

Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting
strength:

For he bringeth down them that dwell on high; the lofty city, he layeth it
low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the
dust.” [Isaiah 26:2-5 (KJV)]

Thusly should I wish to obtain advice on eliminating extraneous Categories
of Understanding associated to the BOMB BLAST EVENT and which have been
systematically and unwillingly imposed upon me and its consequence is then
"hyper-arousal of the central nervous system and stress of the startle
reflex"

Whereby in terms of the WORD example the mind's phonetic apprehension is
impeded and stressed as then either discordant or unknowing of any word's
entity (ie. as the manner by which you can distinguish a car exhaust blow
back as a sudden and an inexplicable bang from an earlier experience of a
bomb blast) is a priori and transitional towards it's final comprehension
by it's acceptable, customary and correct orthography as Category of
Understanding.

Thus the recourse in my view is to either effect a stratagem of #YOD / #MEM
amplification THERAPY by which AMBIGUITY is delimited and so that the
apprehension process occurs normally as unimpeded and becomes de-stressed.

Or whether a prescription of a PSYCHOTROPIC pharmaceutical which whilst not
impeding either the apprehension or cognitive process is able to sedate the
“central nervous system and destressing of the startle reflex”.

But I am after all, seeking their advice of how best to resolve the injury
given they do not have any substantial practical clinical and case study
expertise with instances of bomb blasts experience.

Making a reasonable supposition as a logical, probable and hypothetical
proposition, which is then predicated upon by a determined course of
affirmative action to inform oneself through inquisition as elimination--is
the process of a rational mind practiced in acquiring knowledge and
explicit specification within Categories of Understanding.

That in my view, punctiliousness has an intrinsic phonetic correspondence
and is a functional cognitive characteristic which is intrinsic of the mind
and this process is not all unlike the initial starting point of this
chapter by its specific construction of meticulous narrative as neural
linguistic streaming and it's subsequent refinement until it was
satisfactory.

For example, if all but the first and last letters are scrambled and the
sentence is entirely ambiguous, you can still disambiguate the word and
fully comprehend the sentence, as Cambridge University researchers have
suggested:

"Taht in my veiw, psciiouelnunsts is an insniirtc phteinoc conrecoednprse
and fancounitl cvgiinote cartarseiichtc of mnid."

<http://douglastwitchell.com/scrambled_words.php>

And in a similar manner, the mind's phonetic apprehension as the knowing of
any word's entity (ie. as the manner by which you can distinguish a car
exhaust blow back as a sudden and an inexplicable bang from an earlier
experience of a bomb blast) is a priori and transitional towards it's final
comprehension by it's acceptable, customary and correct orthography as
Category of Understanding.

Confusion like fear and paranoia which steadfastly and habitually refuses
to overcome its ignorant state by informing itself, can then be considered
delusional.'

Here is an another description of Autonomy of Will which is then an
Adam/Eve original sin scenario: 'That it is then, manifestly the
substantial cause as my impetus for the claim that you have departed from
all sense of decency as decorum being a stable characteristic, in having
lost a total semblance of rationality, as any connectivity with the
temporal as sensibility and coherence of reality--manifestly an insanity as
narcissist personality disordered.

You after all, are young and whimsical in being entirely driven as governed
by a daemonic circumstantial desire as inclusive of your sexual
appetite--it can no more make a justifiable claim of a substantial
rationality, coherence and integrity of being because you are entirely
unable to keep your intention, the utterance of your words and any
consequential action within concord as the ethereal quality and the
affirmation of the legitimacy of existence, which separates the mind of a
man from the impertinence, impudence and the inconsequential amorality of
the boy as possessing a deficiency and having a questionable and an
illegitimacy as only a pretentious claim to humanity.

The fragile, pathetic, frightened and circumstantial condition which is
your existence is clearly conveyed by the deprivation of language, which
isn't really sufficient as a quality or quantity to even authenticate your
humanity.

A cockatoo would have a larger vocabulary!

Your manner of speech is a testimony to the ineffectual, circumstantial
manner of your life, which is driven by a contrary desire as feigned reason
(ie. the real and substantiating human dynamic) being the cause for
preference as fickle and inconsequential values. Other than to utter some
idiosyncratic preferences as wants, you are incapable of engaging within a
rational process of negotiation in order to resolve the dynamics of any
sexual opportunism, overcome any impediments to the whimsical
determination, that it might possibly occur--raising the significant
question as to whether you are even capable of showing any accountability
for harm reduction within your inter-personal interaction as your sexual
conduct. As being, something more than happenstance and thereby it's only
claim to virtue.

- dolf

A DRAFT REVISION OF THIS DOCUMENT MAY BE OBTAINED AS A PDF FROM THIS URL:

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/Karl%20Marx.pdf>

Initial Post: 5 May 2018
--
YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"



SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private “Saint Andrews” Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

<http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip> (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."

"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane."

Those are what I have said. IMO I believe the 50 witnesses before
that of Pell. You defend Pell.
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Post by MattB
Article says "Cardinal George Pell will face trial " You saying he is
above needing to go to a trail?
Did I say that anywhere? Show me where I have even hinted at such
a thing.
Post by MattB
You need to read what I post not what pedo defender Patrick Barker
says I post.
I have read what you have said. You are convicting the Cardinal of
pedophilia without a trial.
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2018-05-05 13:07:31 UTC
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But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
Do you even know what excommunication is, or what it means?
Would you like a lesson?
MattB
2018-05-05 18:33:35 UTC
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But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
Do you even know what excommunication is, or what it means?
Would you like a lesson?
How would you know you using Voodoo and reading minds?
Patrick B
2018-05-05 20:10:01 UTC
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But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
Do you even know what excommunication is, or what it means?
Would you like a lesson?
How would you know you using Voodoo and reading minds?
Huh?
You don't have to know "voodoo" to understand what excommunication is.

Excommunication A spiritual censure by which one is excluded from the
communion of the faithful and suffers consequences inseparably
attached by canon law to such exclusion. It is also called anathema,
especially when inflicted with solemnities described in the Roman
Ritual. While not vindictive, excommunication is the Church's most
serious penalty, its chief purpose being the correction of the guilty.
This correction takes the form of exclusion from the spiritual
benefits of the Church as a society and Mystical Body of Christ.
Excommunication directly affects only the individual, who does not
cease thereby to be a Christian, owing to the indelible character of
Baptism.
http://www.catholic-forum.com/Saints/ncd03169.htm

Would you like to learn more?
MattB
2018-05-05 20:25:29 UTC
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But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
Do you even know what excommunication is, or what it means?
Would you like a lesson?
How would you know you using Voodoo and reading minds?
Huh?
You don't have to know "voodoo" to understand what excommunication is.
Excommunication A spiritual censure by which one is excluded from the
communion of the faithful and suffers consequences inseparably
attached by canon law to such exclusion. It is also called anathema,
especially when inflicted with solemnities described in the Roman
Ritual. While not vindictive, excommunication is the Church's most
serious penalty, its chief purpose being the correction of the guilty.
This correction takes the form of exclusion from the spiritual
benefits of the Church as a society and Mystical Body of Christ.
Excommunication directly affects only the individual, who does not
cease thereby to be a Christian, owing to the indelible character of
Baptism.
http://www.catholic-forum.com/Saints/ncd03169.htm
Would you like to learn more?
I already knew. This really all you have to defend pedophiles?? There
is no defense.
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2018-05-05 22:06:08 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
Do you even know what excommunication is, or what it means?
Would you like a lesson?
How would you know you using Voodoo and reading minds?
Huh?
You don't have to know "voodoo" to understand what excommunication is.
Excommunication A spiritual censure by which one is excluded from the
communion of the faithful and suffers consequences inseparably
attached by canon law to such exclusion. It is also called anathema,
especially when inflicted with solemnities described in the Roman
Ritual. While not vindictive, excommunication is the Church's most
serious penalty, its chief purpose being the correction of the guilty.
This correction takes the form of exclusion from the spiritual
benefits of the Church as a society and Mystical Body of Christ.
Excommunication directly affects only the individual, who does not
cease thereby to be a Christian, owing to the indelible character of
Baptism.
http://www.catholic-forum.com/Saints/ncd03169.htm
Would you like to learn more?
I already knew. This really all you have to defend pedophiles?? There
is no defense.
I do not defend you, yer dad, or any pedo.
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane."
Those are what I have said. IMO I believe the 50 witnesses before
that of Pell. You defend Pell.
Yes. I will defend his reputation until the court finds him guilty,
but until then he has been ACCUSED of pedophilia, that isn't proof
that he is guilty of it.
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Post by MattB
Article says "Cardinal George Pell will face trial " You saying he is
above needing to go to a trail?
Did I say that anywhere? Show me where I have even hinted at such
a thing.
Post by MattB
You need to read what I post not what pedo defender Patrick Barker
says I post.
I have read what you have said. You are convicting the Cardinal of
pedophilia without a trial.
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane."
Those are what I have said. IMO I believe the 50 witnesses before
that of Pell. You defend Pell.
Yes. I will defend his reputation until the court finds him guilty,
but until then he has been ACCUSED of pedophilia, that isn't proof
that he is guilty of it.
That is your choice.
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Post by MattB
Article says "Cardinal George Pell will face trial " You saying he is
above needing to go to a trail?
Did I say that anywhere? Show me where I have even hinted at such
a thing.
Post by MattB
You need to read what I post not what pedo defender Patrick Barker
says I post.
I have read what you have said. You are convicting the Cardinal of
pedophilia without a trial.
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane."
Those are what I have said. IMO I believe the 50 witnesses before
that of Pell. You defend Pell.
Innocent until PROVEN to be guilty is the measure of law.
MattB
2018-05-06 02:51:13 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane."
Those are what I have said. IMO I believe the 50 witnesses before
that of Pell. You defend Pell.
Innocent until PROVEN to be guilty is the measure of law.
Seems you apply that differently depending if one is a priest or not.
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2018-05-06 11:21:01 UTC
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. You defend Pell.
Innocent until PROVEN to be guilty is the measure of law.
Seems you apply that differently depending if one is a priest or not.
+ C'mon, matty. It's almost time to call rod a pedo again.
Mention his wife and kids again.
Post his address again.

That is what you do....
MattB
2018-05-06 18:53:31 UTC
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. You defend Pell.
Innocent until PROVEN to be guilty is the measure of law.
Seems you apply that differently depending if one is a priest or not.
+ C'mon, matty. It's almost time to call rod a pedo again.
Mention his wife and kids again.
Post his address again.
That is what you do....
I told you the rules. I will reply in kind and up the ante to your
intent.

Rod is not making up BS saying it is my family. He knows my middle
name I believe so knows you are lying about so much.

The fact is you lie to try to intimidate people to keep silent about
Pedophilia within the RCC. You just aren't good at it and are in
actuality a wuss and whiny bitch.

Pell might be innocent and we will see what the court says but with so
many witnesses seems unlikely. Australian Judges don't have to worry
about how Catholics vote.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
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SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
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The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
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That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
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To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
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Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane."
Those are what I have said. IMO I believe the 50 witnesses before
that of Pell. You defend Pell.
Innocent until PROVEN to be guilty is the measure of law.
Seems you apply that differently depending if one is a priest or not.
Show me where and how! I am not above being corrected.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
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Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane."
Those are what I have said. IMO I believe the 50 witnesses before
that of Pell. You defend Pell.
Innocent until PROVEN to be guilty is the measure of law.
Seems you apply that differently depending if one is a priest or not.
Show me where and how! I am not above being corrected.
Show me where I have said Pell is guilty. I am of that opinion. Now
there are over 50 witnesses against him. I will wait for the trial.
I admit just the thought of a child being used as a sex toy disgust
me, may not you if it is a priest but priest are nothing.

Patrick defends Pedophilia. You empower Patrick.

I will never except Pedophilia by freaks who claim to be of God.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?
Talk to Patrick about that.
Post by R☼d
Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
But you have in previous posts called Cardinal Pell a "pedophile"
when he hasn't been convicted by a court of Pedophilia! He could
be found innocent by the court. You have to PROVE people are guilty,
you cannot just call them anything you please and automatically they
are guilty. it doesn't work that way.
"Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all."
"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane."
Those are what I have said. IMO I believe the 50 witnesses before
that of Pell. You defend Pell.
Innocent until PROVEN to be guilty is the measure of law.
Seems you apply that differently depending if one is a priest or not.
Show me where and how! I am not above being corrected.
Show me where I have said Pell is guilty.
You are talking about Cardinal Pell here by indirect reference;

"Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of
help in a cover up?"

"Cardinal is evil or insane."


and then YOU went onto say the mother of all lies;

"Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you,
and yet I believe to God it is a Sin."
Post by MattB
I am of that opinion. Now
there are over 50 witnesses against him. I will wait for the trial.
I admit just the thought of a child being used as a sex toy disgust
me, may not you if it is a priest but priest are nothing.
Patrick defends Pedophilia. You empower Patrick.
I will never except Pedophilia by freaks who claim to be of God.
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Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
Article says "Cardinal George Pell will face trial " You saying he is
above needing to go to a trail?
No one says that.
However, just because someone MAY face trial, this does not mean that
the person is guilty of anything. There have been hundreds of trials
in the past that did not provide justice. As for Pell, I have
predicted that I don't believe he will ever spend a day in jail.

He is accused of grabbing some kid's balls 40 years ago.

Are you kidding me?

Who in the world can provide evidence of this?
The accused is innocent until proven guilty.
And that will never happen.

I am still wondering where the mind of the prosecutor is.
I mean.... really? grabbing balls 40 years ago?

WHo will provide the evidence?
Do you think thye have video evidence?
Fingerprints?

Good God.
Grow up, matty.
This is a prime example of over-reaching.
It won't work.

And Pell will never spend a day in jail.
EVEN IF HE PLEADS GUILTY......
What could possibly be the penalty for ball grabbing?
MattB
2018-05-05 03:51:53 UTC
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Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!
Why is it that you don't understand this?
I understand what you are saying. I do not write the articles and
will not take part of a cover up.
Article says "Cardinal George Pell will face trial " You saying he is
above needing to go to a trail?
No one says that.
However, just because someone MAY face trial, this does not mean that
the person is guilty of anything. There have been hundreds of trials
in the past that did not provide justice. As for Pell, I have
predicted that I don't believe he will ever spend a day in jail.
May not. He might not live to see court also or might be innocent but
with about 50 witnesses seems unlikely.
Post by Patrick B
He is accused of grabbing some kid's balls 40 years ago.
Are you kidding me?
Who in the world can provide evidence of this?
The accused is innocent until proven guilty.
Maybe they should apply the standards your Churched used during the
inquisitions? Would that be OK with you as you say you represent
God.
Post by Patrick B
And that will never happen.
I am still wondering where the mind of the prosecutor is.
I mean.... really? grabbing balls 40 years ago?
WHo will provide the evidence?
Do you think thye have video evidence?
Fingerprints?
Good God.
Grow up, matty.
This is a prime example of over-reaching.
It won't work.
And Pell will never spend a day in jail.
EVEN IF HE PLEADS GUILTY......
What could possibly be the penalty for ball grabbing?
Death? 10 years per ball grabbed?

Maybe your RCC will say he has diplomatic immunity and get him to Rome
they've used that before.
Patrick B
2018-05-05 13:09:19 UTC
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He is accused of grabbing some kid's balls 40 years ago.
Are you kidding me?
Who in the world can provide evidence of this?
The accused is innocent until proven guilty.
WHo will provide the evidence?
Do you think thye have video evidence?
Fingerprints?
Good God.
Grow up, matty.
This is a prime example of over-reaching.
It won't work.
And Pell will never spend a day in jail.
EVEN IF HE PLEADS GUILTY......
What could possibly be the penalty for ball grabbing?
Death? 10 years per ball grabbed?
Maybe your RCC will say he has diplomatic immunity and get him to Rome
they've used that before.
When ??
MattB
2018-05-05 18:36:56 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
He is accused of grabbing some kid's balls 40 years ago.
Are you kidding me?
Who in the world can provide evidence of this?
The accused is innocent until proven guilty.
WHo will provide the evidence?
Do you think thye have video evidence?
Fingerprints?
Good God.
Grow up, matty.
This is a prime example of over-reaching.
It won't work.
And Pell will never spend a day in jail.
EVEN IF HE PLEADS GUILTY......
What could possibly be the penalty for ball grabbing?
Death? 10 years per ball grabbed?
Maybe your RCC will say he has diplomatic immunity and get him to Rome
they've used that before.
When ??
Are you asking for more articles to be posted OK.
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
I have asked you time and again to post a sentence of them
defending pedophiles and each time to have answered by posting
something that didn't at all support your accusation.

That is because your accusations are false; BOGUS, full of hot
air. You can't prove them true because the proof doesn't exist.


I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
MattB
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
I have asked you time and again to post a sentence of them
defending pedophiles and each time to have answered by posting
something that didn't at all support your accusation.
That is because your accusations are false; BOGUS, full of hot
air. You can't prove them true because the proof doesn't exist.
Sure it is. Why aren't you waiting for the trail?
Post by R☼d
I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
Patrick B
2018-05-05 13:11:39 UTC
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I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
Green dot?
That sounds like a threat.
Should we inform the Skaggit County Sherrif?
MattB
2018-05-05 18:39:33 UTC
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Post by R☼d
I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
Green dot?
That sounds like a threat.
Should we inform the Skaggit County Sherrif?
Go for it and then ask him if it would be smart to visit here? To
climb my gate ....ROFL

Self defense is legal.
Patrick B
2018-05-05 20:13:29 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
Green dot?
That sounds like a threat.
Should we inform the Skaggit County Sherrif?
Go for it and then ask him if it would be smart to visit here? To
climb my gate ....ROFL
Self defense is legal.
Sounds like a threat.... green dot.
Should I look for it here in Ohio?
Or, do you just keep your green dots in Skaggit County?
MattB
2018-05-05 20:34:36 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
Green dot?
That sounds like a threat.
Should we inform the Skaggit County Sherrif?
Go for it and then ask him if it would be smart to visit here? To
climb my gate ....ROFL
Self defense is legal.
Sounds like a threat.... green dot.
Should I look for it here in Ohio?
I have no plans on going to Ohio. Going to Montana for a few weeks.
Post by Patrick B
Or, do you just keep your green dots in Skaggit County?
There are green dots everywhere. They don't need me. There could be
one there while I am here. They could be anywhere.
R☼d
2018-05-06 01:09:24 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
I have asked you time and again to post a sentence of them
defending pedophiles and each time to have answered by posting
something that didn't at all support your accusation.
That is because your accusations are false; BOGUS, full of hot
air. You can't prove them true because the proof doesn't exist.
Sure it is. Why aren't you waiting for the trail?
I am waiting.


Trial is spelled TRIAL
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Post by R☼d
I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
It is foolish to think that I would ever wish harm
to come to you. Unlike you, I haven't chosen to
glorify evil by becoming a part of it.
MattB
2018-05-06 02:55:45 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
I have asked you time and again to post a sentence of them
defending pedophiles and each time to have answered by posting
something that didn't at all support your accusation.
That is because your accusations are false; BOGUS, full of hot
air. You can't prove them true because the proof doesn't exist.
Sure it is. Why aren't you waiting for the trail?
I am waiting.
OK then.
Post by R☼d
Trial is spelled TRIAL
Did I hit the wrong keys will the heavens shoot fire and the earth
tremble at your command?
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Post by R☼d
I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
It is foolish to think that I would ever wish harm
to come to you. Unlike you, I haven't chosen to
glorify evil by becoming a part of it.
Sure I wish no harm to come to you or Patrick. How could a Walmart
worker have the skills or means to have such be done? Remember you
support a liar and fraud. You are no better than he you support in
lies. So much for your claims of being of Jesus and born again.
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Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
It is foolish to think that I would ever wish harm
to come to you. Unlike you, I haven't chosen to
glorify evil by becoming a part of it.
Sure I wish no harm to come to you or Patrick. How could a Walmart
worker have the skills or means to have such be done? Remember you
support a liar and fraud. You are no better than he you support in
lies. So much for your claims of being of Jesus and born again.
+ C'mon, matty. Call him a pedo again. Tell us what he does to his
foster kids again. Make fun of his wife again. Post his address
again. Show us what you are made of, matty....
All your friends are waiting for your next reaction......
MattB
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Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
It is foolish to think that I would ever wish harm
to come to you. Unlike you, I haven't chosen to
glorify evil by becoming a part of it.
Sure I wish no harm to come to you or Patrick. How could a Walmart
worker have the skills or means to have such be done? Remember you
support a liar and fraud. You are no better than he you support in
lies. So much for your claims of being of Jesus and born again.
+ C'mon, matty. Call him a pedo again. Tell us what he does to his
foster kids again. Make fun of his wife again. Post his address
again. Show us what you are made of, matty....
All your friends are waiting for your next reaction......
I reply in kind you whiny wuss.

You know the rules. You want to pretend my father is this Larry
Brooks guy go for it. I will respond to your intent and up the ante.
Like I said call him if you want I have no say in the matter aren't
related.
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
I have asked you time and again to post a sentence of them
defending pedophiles and each time to have answered by posting
something that didn't at all support your accusation.
That is because your accusations are false; BOGUS, full of hot
air. You can't prove them true because the proof doesn't exist.
Sure it is. Why aren't you waiting for the trail?
I am waiting.
OK then.
Post by R☼d
Trial is spelled TRIAL
Did I hit the wrong keys will the heavens shoot fire and the earth
tremble at your command?
Lol! Nope! I am trying to help you just as others
have helped me. I wasn't taking a cheap shop at you.
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
It is foolish to think that I would ever wish harm
to come to you. Unlike you, I haven't chosen to
glorify evil by becoming a part of it.
Sure I wish no harm to come to you or Patrick. How could a Walmart
worker have the skills or means to have such be done?
I know of many very nice people that work at walmart. You
work hard, save the money and the next thing you know you
are ahead of the game.
Post by MattB
Remember you
support a liar and fraud. You are no better than he you support in
lies.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted of pedophilia, but you have
proclaimed him guilty of it without a trial.

The same judgement that you render to others will be rendered to you
by God, unless you repent.
Post by MattB
So much for your claims of being of Jesus and born again.
Posting bible verses doesn't make you a Christian; even satan
can quote scripture, Matt.
MattB
2018-05-06 18:40:26 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
I have asked you time and again to post a sentence of them
defending pedophiles and each time to have answered by posting
something that didn't at all support your accusation.
That is because your accusations are false; BOGUS, full of hot
air. You can't prove them true because the proof doesn't exist.
Sure it is. Why aren't you waiting for the trail?
I am waiting.
OK then.
Post by R☼d
Trial is spelled TRIAL
Did I hit the wrong keys will the heavens shoot fire and the earth
tremble at your command?
Lol! Nope! I am trying to help you just as others
have helped me. I wasn't taking a cheap shop at you.
OK You just sounded like a liberals using a grammar flame for a
minute.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
It is foolish to think that I would ever wish harm
to come to you. Unlike you, I haven't chosen to
glorify evil by becoming a part of it.
Sure I wish no harm to come to you or Patrick. How could a Walmart
worker have the skills or means to have such be done?
I know of many very nice people that work at walmart. You
work hard, save the money and the next thing you know you
are ahead of the game.
I have no problem with anyone who works at Walmart that is Patrick
Barker the Catholic Pedophile Apologist. He just lies to defend
pedophilia and cover it up and you empower him.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Remember you
support a liar and fraud. You are no better than he you support in
lies.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted of pedophilia, but you have
proclaimed him guilty of it without a trial.
I have my opinion. Patrick has said he will never serve a day in Jail
as his opinion. Sorry I don't have the power to effect the court in
Australia at all. You are looking like a liberal more and more first
with the grammar flame and now you want to limit peoples opinions to
be politically correct.
Post by R☼d
The same judgement that you render to others will be rendered to you
by God, unless you repent.
Post by MattB
So much for your claims of being of Jesus and born again.
Posting bible verses doesn't make you a Christian; even satan
can quote scripture, Matt.
True as the Catholic Church has shown in it's history. As do the Born
again that harm kids because they claim Satan is in the kids.

I posted scripture as a test it was planned to see if it would be
flamed. It was. The freaks flamed pure scripture. You even joined
Patrick in doing it.

Now want to tell me again about Satan and those that claim to be born
again??

Sad thing is people use religion to commit evil and do harm and looks
like you are just as guilty as anyone. Look to your own soul and
purity before you lose it. We are each responsible for our own
actions and actions matter as does intent.
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
I have asked you time and again to post a sentence of them
defending pedophiles and each time to have answered by posting
something that didn't at all support your accusation.
That is because your accusations are false; BOGUS, full of hot
air. You can't prove them true because the proof doesn't exist.
Sure it is. Why aren't you waiting for the trail?
I am waiting.
OK then.
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Trial is spelled TRIAL
Did I hit the wrong keys will the heavens shoot fire and the earth
tremble at your command?
Lol! Nope! I am trying to help you just as others
have helped me. I wasn't taking a cheap shop at you.
OK You just sounded like a liberals using a grammar flame for a
minute.
I wasn't flaming you. And I am a liberal in a sense
because I vote liberal on social issues and moderate
on financial issues where it affects the needy and
the poor. My tax dollars should be spent on feeding
and clothing the poor and the elderly, NOT on wars
or making weapons for war.
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I think that you need to get off of usenet and very seriously
rethink your life and your seared and charred conscience.
Well you like Patrick don't have the power and a green dot will be on
you if you tried to make it so.
It is foolish to think that I would ever wish harm
to come to you. Unlike you, I haven't chosen to
glorify evil by becoming a part of it.
Sure I wish no harm to come to you or Patrick. How could a Walmart
worker have the skills or means to have such be done?
I know of many very nice people that work at walmart. You
work hard, save the money and the next thing you know you
are ahead of the game.
I have no problem with anyone who works at Walmart that is Patrick
Barker the Catholic Pedophile Apologist.
He just lies to defend
pedophilia and cover it up and you empower him.
Another lie. Patrick has a right to defend his church
as there are many good souls in the church that have
NOTHING to do with any of this and ARE helping to purge
the church of evils. It is a slow process because of the
legal rightes of victims and the priests involved. If they
do something wrong then those that are accused can sue
just as the victims have done.

And that is double jeopardy for the innocent in the church;
the law punishes THEM thrice. Once for a convicted pedophile
being in the church and tarnishing the churches reputation,
once when the accused priest decides to sue the church and
the alleged victim, and once when the victim chooses to sue
the church and the convicted priest.
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Remember you
support a liar and fraud. You are no better than he you support in
lies.
Another lie.
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Cardinal Pell has not been convicted of pedophilia, but you have
proclaimed him guilty of it without a trial.
I have my opinion.
So you are admitting that you think he is guilty
before he is given a chance to prove he is innocent.
Post by MattB
Patrick has said he will never serve a day in Jail
as his opinion.
And he may not! He may be innocent of the charges!
That is faith in action.
Post by MattB
Sorry I don't have the power to effect the court in
Australia at all.
None of us do, and that is a good thing, that way none of us
can bias the Judges and the court can do it's job much
better.
Post by MattB
You are looking like a liberal more and more first
with the grammar flame and now you want to limit peoples opinions to
be politically correct.
You are acting more and more like a HANGING JUDGE
who deems everyone guilty without giving them the
benefit of a trial, allowing them to prove their
innocence.
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Post by R☼d
The same judgement that you render to others will be rendered to you
by God, unless you repent.
Post by MattB
So much for your claims of being of Jesus and born again.
And the law licensed you to carry a firearm? Don't shoot your
feet off!
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Post by R☼d
Posting bible verses doesn't make you a Christian; even satan
can quote scripture, Matt.
True as the Catholic Church has shown in it's history. As do the Born
again that harm kids because they claim Satan is in the kids.
I posted scripture as a test it was planned to see if it would be
flamed. It was. The freaks flamed pure scripture. You even joined
Patrick in doing it.
Now want to tell me again about Satan and those that claim to be born
again??
Wow...you have a persecution complex.
Post by MattB
Sad thing is people use religion to commit evil and do harm and looks
like you are just as guilty as anyone. Look to your own soul and
purity before you lose it. We are each responsible for our own
actions and actions matter as does intent.
And you will certainly pay for yours...

Patrick B
2018-05-04 20:21:30 UTC
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Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Simple, but elegant.
de chucka
2018-05-04 23:43:30 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison.
You've always been a defender of the Catholic Churches cover up of child
abuse. Your sick


I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
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proof offered.
R☼d
2018-05-05 00:06:11 UTC
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On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia
to meet
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him?  He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up?    Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison.
You've always been a defender of the Catholic Churches cover up of child
abuse. Your sick
Cardinal Pell hasn't been proven guilty of anything
yet.
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 I still stand by that claim.  There will be no real
Post by Patrick B
proof offered.
de chucka
2018-05-05 06:10:59 UTC
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Post by MattB
On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia
to meet
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these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him?  He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up?    Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison.
You've always been a defender of the Catholic Churches cover up of
child abuse. Your sick
  Cardinal Pell hasn't been proven guilty of anything
  yet.
Certainly true
Patrick B
2018-05-05 00:42:55 UTC
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Post by MattB
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison.
You've always been a defender of the Catholic Churches cover up of child
abuse. Your sick
I do not defend the Catholic Church.
It doesn't need defending.
I do not defend child abuse.
Any child abuser should be prosecuted and punished to the full extent
of the law. However, just because a person is Catholic, this does not
mean he is automatically guilty.

And that is what kills you, up-chucka.
de chucka
2018-05-05 06:10:34 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison.
You've always been a defender of the Catholic Churches cover up of child
abuse. Your sick
I do not defend the Catholic Church.
You certainly do
Post by Patrick B
It doesn't need defending.
I do not defend child abuse.
Just the cover-up of it
Post by Patrick B
Any child abuser should be prosecuted and punished to the full extent
of the law. However, just because a person is Catholic, this does not
mean he is automatically guilty.
And that is what kills you, up-chucka.
Patrick B
2018-05-05 13:21:18 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by de chucka
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison.
You've always been a defender of the Catholic Churches cover up of child
abuse. Your sick
I do not defend the Catholic Church.
You certainly do
It isn't necessary.
The Catholic Church has a defined mission that I might defend.
to “continue the works of Jesus Christ” and to make his name “known
and loved. The Lord Jesus inaugurated his Church by preaching the
Good News, that is, the coming of the Reign of God, promised over the
ages in the scriptures. To fulfill the Father's will, Christ ushered
in the Kingdom of heaven on earth.
“to build God’s Kingdom” means “to work to create a world that
reflects the innate, God-given, dignity and worth of every human
being.”
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Post by Patrick B
It doesn't need defending.
I do not defend child abuse.
Just the cover-up of it
I do not defend any sin.
However, that doesn't mean that sin does not exist.
Sin exists.
And I understand this little fact.
However, I do not defend any sin.


Any child abuser should be prosecuted and punished to the full extent
of the law. However, just because a person is Catholic, this does not
mean he is automatically guilty.
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2018-05-05 18:51:42 UTC
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Post by de chucka
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Post by MattB
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison.
You've always been a defender of the Catholic Churches cover up of child
abuse. Your sick
I do not defend the Catholic Church.
You certainly do
It isn't necessary.
The Catholic Church has a defined mission that I might defend.
to “continue the works of Jesus Christ” and to make his name “known
and loved. The Lord Jesus inaugurated his Church by preaching the
Good News, that is, the coming of the Reign of God, promised over the
ages in the scriptures. To fulfill the Father's will, Christ ushered
in the Kingdom of heaven on earth.
You've done a good job. Murder, lies and corruption.

Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil; for
no one may judge the Pope.
Pope Innocent III
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“to build God’s Kingdom” means “to work to create a world that
reflects the innate, God-given, dignity and worth of every human
being.”
This [Magna Carta] has been forced from the King. It constitutes an
insult to the Holy See, a serious weakening of the royal power, a
disgrace to the English nation, a danger to all Christendom, since
this civil war obstructs the crusade. Therefore?we condemn the charter
and forbid the King to keep it, or the barons and their supporters to
make him do so, on pain of excommunication.
Pope Innocent III
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Post by Patrick B
It doesn't need defending.
I do not defend child abuse.
Just the cover-up of it
I do not defend any sin.
However, that doesn't mean that sin does not exist.
Sin exists.
And I understand this little fact.
However, I do not defend any sin.
The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were
able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren
in eternal fire.
Pope Gregory I
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Any child abuser should be prosecuted and punished to the full extent
of the law. However, just because a person is Catholic, this does not
mean he is automatically guilty.
We can just you your own standards.

Patrick Quote
"You do know that you can defend yourself at any time by providing
"YOUR" truth to the crowd."

If he can't then put him to death.
Patrick B
2018-05-05 20:22:33 UTC
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Post by de chucka
You've always been a defender of the Catholic Churches cover up of child
abuse. Your sick
I do not defend the Catholic Church.
You certainly do
It isn't necessary.
The Catholic Church has a defined mission that I might defend.
to “continue the works of Jesus Christ” and to make his name “known
and loved. The Lord Jesus inaugurated his Church by preaching the
Good News, that is, the coming of the Reign of God, promised over the
ages in the scriptures. To fulfill the Father's will, Christ ushered
in the Kingdom of heaven on earth.
You've done a good job. Murder, lies and corruption.
That isn't the mission of the Catholic Church.
You and larry share that mission.
Post by MattB
Every cleric must obey the Pope,
No, he doesn't.
That isn't how it works.
The Bishop runs his own diocese.
Not the pope.

I do not defend any sin.
However, that doesn't mean that sin does not exist.
Sin exists.
And I understand this little fact.
However, I do not defend any sin.

Any child abuser should be prosecuted and punished to the full extent
of the law. However, just because a person is Catholic, this does not
mean he is automatically guilty.
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