Send a message of disgust to Singapore

[clonegunman]

re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.
The ruling party in fascist virtual one-party state Singapore is the
People's Action Party whose e-mail address can be found at
http://www.pap.org.sg/contact.shtml ***@pap.org.sg
I see the PAP has got a Young PAP - I presume this must be their
equivalent of the Hitler Youth.
Also they have a Women's Wing - I presume this is their equivalent of
the League of the Golden Maidens.
Read about the so-called "trade unions" in Singapore which are actually
a Stakhanovite type front for the PAP.
http://www.ntuc.org.sg/ntucunions/abt_ntuc_story.asp
"A Proactive government, willing to take unpleasant decisions neccesary
in the long run for the good of the people - these are critical
factors. Also, in our case, between policy makers and government,
between employers and workers, we have developed institutions and
relationship which work. They don't exist elsewhere." - Senior Minister
Lee Kuan Yew, July 1996

Arbeit macht frei!

[rob]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

Their country, thier laws. Tough shit on whathisname.

Post by clonegunman
The ruling party in fascist virtual one-party state Singapore is the
People's Action Party whose e-mail address can be found at
I see the PAP has got a Young PAP - I presume this must be their
equivalent of the Hitler Youth.

As much as I hate to say it....like the Young Nats?

[steve]

Post by rob
As much as I hate to say it....like the Young Nats?

Young <anything>, in political terms, is faith unleavened by experience.

[pixel]

Post by rob

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

Their country, thier laws. Tough shit on whathisname.

And so you would be similarly nonchalant if they legislated to execute all
blind people ?

[sidproquo]

Post by pixel

Post by rob

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

Their country, thier laws. Tough shit on whathisname.

And so you would be similarly nonchalant if they legislated to execute all
blind people ?

Only those caught with nearly half a kilo of drugs strapped around
their waist.

[Sarns]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

If you break laws in other countries...you have to suffer the penalties that
they deliver...he was stupid

Sarns

[steve]

Post by Sarns

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

If you break laws in other countries...you have to suffer the penalties
that they deliver...he was stupid
Sarns

That's true.

But the death penalty is wrong anyway.

Keep the bugger in prison for life, if you like.....but the state killing
people should not be allowed.

If killing people is wrong, what message are you sending if you say it's OK
some of the time provided the "approved" people do it?

Hypocrisy.

E-mails to Singapore aren't going to fix it. It is also arguable that
Singapore would not be the stable, peaceful place it is today without the
significant level of state coercion that has been the rule since the
mid-60s when Singapore became an independent state.

Some other way might also have worked, but we have no way of knowing that.

Having said all that, hopefully at some point Singapore will feel
sufficiently confident in its own values and political integration that
will become more democratic. At present, their political arrangements
indicate a high degree of insecurity and a lack of confidence in their own
moral and ethical integrity.

[WeeWillyWonka]

... their political arrangements indicate a high degree of insecurity
and a lack of confidence in their own moral and ethical integrity.

Ooo, lookit the big words. They indicate a high degree of insecurity
and a lack of confidence in Steve's own moral and ethical integrity.

No? Is there a flaw in this argument?

willy

[Wayne]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:00:41 +1300, steve <***@linuxisgreat.org.nz>
wrote:

}Sarns wrote:
}
}>
}> "clonegunman" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
}> news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
}>> re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
}>> I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
}>> does not fit the crime in this case.
}>
}> If you break laws in other countries...you have to suffer the penalties
}> that they deliver...he was stupid
}>
}> Sarns
}
}That's true.
}
}But the death penalty is wrong anyway.
}
}Keep the bugger in prison for life, if you like.....but the state killing
}people should not be allowed.
}
}If killing people is wrong, what message are you sending if you say it's OK
}some of the time provided the "approved" people do it?
}
}Hypocrisy.
}

No, it's called putting out the garbage and Western countries have
gone soft and therefore suffer higher rates of crime.

}E-mails to Singapore aren't going to fix it. It is also arguable that
}Singapore would not be the stable, peaceful place it is today without the
}significant level of state coercion that has been the rule since the
}mid-60s when Singapore became an independent state.
}
}Some other way might also have worked, but we have no way of knowing that.
}
}Having said all that, hopefully at some point Singapore will feel
}sufficiently confident in its own values and political integration that
}will become more democratic. At present, their political arrangements
}indicate a high degree of insecurity and a lack of confidence in their own
}moral and ethical integrity.
}
}
}
}

[Roger Dewhurst]

Post by Sarns

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

If you break laws in other countries...you have to suffer the penalties that
they deliver...he was stupid

If the Singapore Government was looking for a deterrent, as it certainly
must of been, it has found one.

Would anyone in Australia, New Zealand and perhaps further afield, consider
carrying drugs through Singapore now?

R

Post by Sarns
Sarns

[Redbaiter]

clonegunman says

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.

So how many letters have you sent to Fidel Castro regarding
executions in Cuba?

[k***@gmail.com]

Or China.

[m***@xtra.co.nz]

Post by k***@gmail.com
Or China.

Unlike Cuba and China of course, Singapore, according to Fletcher and
his other silly Rudy, Sidproquo mystics, is, a *civilised society*.


Michael Gordge

[k***@gmail.com]

And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

[l***@yahoo.com.au]

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

[Redbaiter]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
mind altering substances.

[m***@xtra.co.nz]

Post by Redbaiter
Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
mind altering substances.

Yes religion has the identical efffect, witness two planes flown into
two sky scrapers, you dopey mystic Fletcher.


Michael Gordge

[Wayne]

On 2 Dec 2005 02:47:46 -0800, ***@xtra.co.nz wrote:

}
}Redbaiter wrote:
}
}> Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
}> the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
}> try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
}> mind altering substances.
}
}Yes religion has the identical efffect, witness two planes flown into
}two sky scrapers, you dopey mystic Fletcher.
}

By your Muslim buddies...

[m***@xtra.co.nz]

Post by Wayne
}
}
}> Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
}> the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
}> try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
}> mind altering substances.
}
}Yes religion has the identical efffect, witness two planes flown into
}two sky scrapers, you dopey mystic Fletcher.
}
By your Muslim buddies...

Maybe Fletcher's buddies, not mine, he's always going on about how
wonderful the mystics are.

Muslim - christian - socialist - tribalist - communist - conservative,
its all fairy tale stuff.

Little does Fletcher realise that christians dont usually fly planes
into skyscrapers *in spite of and not because of* of their religous
mystical beliefs.

Reality is, religion (irrationalism) has killled and oppressed billions
more human beings than drugs and alcohol ever have or will.


MIchael Gordge

[l***@yahoo.com.au]

Post by Redbaiter

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
mind altering substances.

... and the fact that alcohol and drug consumption has increased in
Russia since the change in the political and economic system indicates
what?

According your thesis the entirety of human history and every culture
must be socialist because the entirety of human history in every
culture has used drugs. (Except, I think, for the inuit, but not
through choice).

Or maybe your nutty idea that drug use is a symptom of socialism is
just plain silly.

[Redbaiter]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Redbaiter
Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
mind altering substances.

... and the fact that alcohol and drug consumption has increased in
Russia since the change in the political and economic system indicates
what?

The alcoholics have more money now that the nomenklatura (like
you Lev) that once ruled them have stopped stealing from them.

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au
According your thesis the entirety of human history and every culture
must be socialist because the entirety of human history in every
culture has used drugs. (Except, I think, for the inuit, but not
through choice).

Oh crap.. its the popularity of drug taking that is the issue
you dumbarse..

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au
Or maybe your nutty idea that drug use is a symptom of socialism is
just plain silly.

Well, hell, I'd be surprised if a fruitcake like you ever
thought otherwise.. the dominance of drugs in socialist
societies is self evident, (for example take the expansion of
drug use in NZ that parallels the increasing hold on power of
the socialists) but given the leftist propensity for denial of
reality Lev, you'll never see it..

[Wayne]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:12:49 +1300, Redbaiter <***@nbox.lv>
wrote:

}***@yahoo.com.au says
}> > >
}> > Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
}> > the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
}> > try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
}> > mind altering substances.
}>
}> ... and the fact that alcohol and drug consumption has increased in
}> Russia since the change in the political and economic system indicates
}> what?
}
}The alcoholics have more money now that the nomenklatura (like
}you Lev) that once ruled them have stopped stealing from them.
}>
}> According your thesis the entirety of human history and every culture
}> must be socialist because the entirety of human history in every
}> culture has used drugs. (Except, I think, for the inuit, but not
}> through choice).
}
}Oh crap.. its the popularity of drug taking that is the issue
}you dumbarse..
}>
}> Or maybe your nutty idea that drug use is a symptom of socialism is
}> just plain silly.
}>
}Well, hell, I'd be surprised if a fruitcake like you ever
}thought otherwise.. the dominance of drugs in socialist
}societies is self evident, (for example take the expansion of
}drug use in NZ that parallels the increasing hold on power of
}the socialists) but given the leftist propensity for denial of
}reality Lev, you'll never see it..

Shit, with that man/woman thing in power I'd be hitting the bottle as
well...

[l***@yahoo.com.au]

Post by Wayne
}> > >
}> > Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
}> > the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
}> > try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
}> > mind altering substances.
}>
}> ... and the fact that alcohol and drug consumption has increased in
}> Russia since the change in the political and economic system indicates
}> what?
}
}The alcoholics have more money now that the nomenklatura (like
}you Lev) that once ruled them have stopped stealing from them.
}>
}> According your thesis the entirety of human history and every culture
}> must be socialist because the entirety of human history in every
}> culture has used drugs. (Except, I think, for the inuit, but not
}> through choice).
}
}Oh crap.. its the popularity of drug taking that is the issue
}you dumbarse..
}>
}> Or maybe your nutty idea that drug use is a symptom of socialism is
}> just plain silly.
}>
}Well, hell, I'd be surprised if a fruitcake like you ever
}thought otherwise.. the dominance of drugs in socialist
}societies is self evident, (for example take the expansion of
}drug use in NZ that parallels the increasing hold on power of
}the socialists) but given the leftist propensity for denial of
}reality Lev, you'll never see it..
Shit, with that man/woman thing in power I'd be hitting the bottle as
well...

Yeah, cause it's *so* sensible to judge a politician based on their
appearances. Oh hang on.. You only judge *women* politicians on their
appearance right?

Either that or you have lustful thoughts for John Howard....

[Wayne]

On 2 Dec 2005 03:26:53 -0800, "***@yahoo.com.au"
<***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

}
}Wayne wrote:
}> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:12:49 +1300, Redbaiter <***@nbox.lv>
}> wrote:
}>
}> }***@yahoo.com.au says
}> }> > >
}> }> > Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
}> }> > the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
}> }> > try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
}> }> > mind altering substances.
}> }>
}> }> ... and the fact that alcohol and drug consumption has increased in
}> }> Russia since the change in the political and economic system indicates
}> }> what?
}> }
}> }The alcoholics have more money now that the nomenklatura (like
}> }you Lev) that once ruled them have stopped stealing from them.
}> }>
}> }> According your thesis the entirety of human history and every culture
}> }> must be socialist because the entirety of human history in every
}> }> culture has used drugs. (Except, I think, for the inuit, but not
}> }> through choice).
}> }
}> }Oh crap.. its the popularity of drug taking that is the issue
}> }you dumbarse..
}> }>
}> }> Or maybe your nutty idea that drug use is a symptom of socialism is
}> }> just plain silly.
}> }>
}> }Well, hell, I'd be surprised if a fruitcake like you ever
}> }thought otherwise.. the dominance of drugs in socialist
}> }societies is self evident, (for example take the expansion of
}> }drug use in NZ that parallels the increasing hold on power of
}> }the socialists) but given the leftist propensity for denial of
}> }reality Lev, you'll never see it..
}>
}> Shit, with that man/woman thing in power I'd be hitting the bottle as
}> well...
}
}Yeah, cause it's *so* sensible to judge a politician based on their
}appearances. Oh hang on.. You only judge *women* politicians on their
}appearance right?
}
}Either that or you have lustful thoughts for John Howard....

Nice try, she's also a socilaist - say no fucking more...

[m***@xtra.co.nz]

Post by Redbaiter
Well, hell, I'd be surprised if a fruitcake like you ever
thought otherwise.. the dominance of drugs in socialist
societies is self evident, (for example take the expansion of
drug use in NZ that parallels the increasing hold on power of
the socialists) but given the leftist propensity for denial of
reality Lev, you'll never see it..

Subjective fucken nonsense, the history of Moon Shine, is all the
evidence one needs to know that the increase in drug use is directly
linked to the increase in the invented laws against it.

The price of drugs would crash overnight if they were ever
decriminalised. Anything illegal becomes expensive, creates a false
market and provides ALL the incentives for black markets.

HOWEVER the ONLY reason to decriminalise drugs is because a human being
is responsible for his own actions.


Michael Gordge

[sidproquo]

The Australians, and the pro drug brigade on these sites have a new
role model, the late Mr Nguyen, who now rivals Ned Kelly in stature,
and has been elevated to hero status.

Yes Sir, this brave young Vietnamese immigrant gave his all, just so
that Australian drug addicts could have a continuing supply of illicit
drugs.

What a man, perhaps this scummy little drug runner and dealer could be
posthumously be awarded some medal of honour for his actions, a statue
erected at the very least.

What a funny society we live in, where drug dealing criminals are
elevated to a level where many would appear to believe they are an
example for all of our young to revere and aspire to.

[Brian Dooley]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Redbaiter

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
mind altering substances.

... and the fact that alcohol and drug consumption has increased in
Russia since the change in the political and economic system indicates
what?
According your thesis the entirety of human history and every culture
must be socialist because the entirety of human history in every
culture has used drugs. (Except, I think, for the inuit, but not
through choice).
Or maybe your nutty idea that drug use is a symptom of socialism is
just plain silly.

No maybe about it.

You should remember that Singapore is Bedwetter's Nirvana.

[Pooh Bare]

Post by Brian Dooley

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Redbaiter

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Drugs are synptomastic of leftism. Look at Russia and Vodka. Its
the hopelessness and despair of socialism that entices people to
try and escape the reality of their condition by the taking of
mind altering substances.

... and the fact that alcohol and drug consumption has increased in
Russia since the change in the political and economic system indicates
what?
According your thesis the entirety of human history and every culture
must be socialist because the entirety of human history in every
culture has used drugs. (Except, I think, for the inuit, but not
through choice).
Or maybe your nutty idea that drug use is a symptom of socialism is
just plain silly.

No maybe about it.
You should remember that Singapore is Bedwetter's Nirvana.
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand

If he realy thinks that you'd think he'd go and live there.

Pooh

[Sarns]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Righty...the group hug...always works NOTTT... of course countries have
zillions to spend on people that often CHOOSE to do what they do.... you
considered they might not want to change?

Sarns

[l***@yahoo.com.au]

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Righty...the group hug...always works NOTTT... of course countries have
zillions to spend on people that often CHOOSE to do what they do.... you
considered they might not want to change?

So you're saying that drug mules act entirely out of independent
violition... That this was a career choice for the young man?

If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
supply through health professionals. End of problem.

[Redbaiter]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au
If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
supply through health professionals. End of problem.

You provide it loser, don't force me to pay for your loopey
ideas.. (read that book with the lemon on the front yet)

[dechucka]

Post by Redbaiter

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au
If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
supply through health professionals. End of problem.

You provide it loser, don't force me to pay for your loopey
ideas.. (read that book with the lemon on the front yet)

Opium is very cheap the worlds largest legal producer is Australia

[Sarns]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Righty...the group hug...always works NOTTT... of course countries have
zillions to spend on people that often CHOOSE to do what they do.... you
considered they might not want to change?

So you're saying that drug mules act entirely out of independent
violition... That this was a career choice for the young man?

He was a drug courier...he was doing it for money.... YES...he chose that as
a career...albeit brief.

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au
If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
supply through health professionals. End of problem.

Line up line up....free Heroin...yeah right

hmmmm has a Tui's ring to it

Sarns

[l***@yahoo.com.au]

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Righty...the group hug...always works NOTTT... of course countries have
zillions to spend on people that often CHOOSE to do what they do.... you
considered they might not want to change?

So you're saying that drug mules act entirely out of independent
violition... That this was a career choice for the young man?

He was a drug courier...he was doing it for money.... YES...he chose that as
a career...albeit brief.

No, if he had other options he would have taken them. Do you actually
know the circumstances of this guy's actions?

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au
If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
supply through health professionals. End of problem.

Line up line up....free Heroin...yeah right

.. and the problem with a regulated medical supply of heroin (even at
cost) to registered users is what exactly?

I have this nagging suspicion that your about to display your total
ignorance of the narcotic in question.

[Sarns]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Righty...the group hug...always works NOTTT... of course countries have
zillions to spend on people that often CHOOSE to do what they do.... you
considered they might not want to change?

So you're saying that drug mules act entirely out of independent
violition... That this was a career choice for the young man?

He was a drug courier...he was doing it for money.... YES...he chose that as
a career...albeit brief.

No, if he had other options he would have taken them. Do you actually
know the circumstances of this guy's actions?

I know he was a dumbarse

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au
If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
supply through health professionals. End of problem.

Line up line up....free Heroin...yeah right

.. and the problem with a regulated medical supply of heroin (even at
cost) to registered users is what exactly?
I have this nagging suspicion that your about to display your total
ignorance of the narcotic in question.

If legit people can't even get on the methodone programme...i doubt there's
gonna be a Heroin doling party going on

Sarns

[Wayne]

On 2 Dec 2005 03:09:10 -0800, "***@yahoo.com.au"
<***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

}
}Sarns wrote:
}> <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
}> news:***@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
}> >
}> > Sarns wrote:
}> >> <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
}> >> news:***@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
}> >> >
}> >> > ***@gmail.com wrote:
}> >> >> And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?
}> >> >
}> >> > A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
}> >> > wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.
}> >>
}> >> Righty...the group hug...always works NOTTT... of course countries have
}> >> zillions to spend on people that often CHOOSE to do what they do.... you
}> >> considered they might not want to change?
}> >>
}> >
}> > So you're saying that drug mules act entirely out of independent
}> > violition... That this was a career choice for the young man?
}>
}> He was a drug courier...he was doing it for money.... YES...he chose that as
}> a career...albeit brief.
}
}No, if he had other options he would have taken them. Do you actually
}know the circumstances of this guy's actions?
}

Like a job, why he take one if you won't - cockhead?

}> > If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
}> > supply through health professionals. End of problem.
}>
}> Line up line up....free Heroin...yeah right
}>
}
}.. and the problem with a regulated medical supply of heroin (even at
}cost) to registered users is what exactly?
}

Even higher rates of usage and addiction, still socilaist governments
have to make money somehow...

}I have this nagging suspicion that your about to display your total
}ignorance of the narcotic in question.

As you have?

[Wayne]

On 2 Dec 2005 02:44:07 -0800, "***@yahoo.com.au"
<***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

}
}Sarns wrote:
}> <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
}> news:***@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
}> >
}> > ***@gmail.com wrote:
}> >> And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?
}> >
}> > A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
}> > wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.
}>
}> Righty...the group hug...always works NOTTT... of course countries have
}> zillions to spend on people that often CHOOSE to do what they do.... you
}> considered they might not want to change?
}>
}
}So you're saying that drug mules act entirely out of independent
}violition... That this was a career choice for the young man?
}
}If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
}supply through health professionals. End of problem.

No, you impose the death penalty for trafficking and selling and long
sentences for use and possesion - end of problem.

[baggly grimmel]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Sarns

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Righty...the group hug...always works NOTTT... of course countries have
zillions to spend on people that often CHOOSE to do what they do.... you
considered they might not want to change?

So you're saying that drug mules act entirely out of independent
violition... That this was a career choice for the young man?
If you want to stop drug trafficking you provide it with a regulated
supply through health professionals. End of problem.

Here we go, know who you are, why don't you go play somewhere else?>

[Wayne]

On 2 Dec 2005 02:21:02 -0800, "***@yahoo.com.au"
<***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

}
}***@gmail.com wrote:
}> And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?
}
}A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
}wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

Fuck off you loser. Australia is a wealthy country with plenty of
opportunity however maggots like Ngookyen want to get by the easy way
for which he has now paid the price. He does not belong in civilised
society nor does it owe him anything. The type of society you propose
is one that has truly lost any sense of direction or notion of right
and wrong.

[Craig Welch]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au
A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

I take this would be true of all crimes?

Speeding?

Smoking near a public place?

Drink driving?

Theft?

Assault?

Armed robbery?

Rape?

Murder?

[baggly grimmel]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

.....?????What planet do you live on?

[Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr.]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

......?????What planet do you live on?

Some people just don't like the way they could get money honestly.

Going to work every day, turning up on time, putting up with the tedium
and bullshit that is part of nearly all occupations. And it takes SO
MANY hours of honest tax-paying work to get as much money as they could
get from one law-breaking activity.......

No, it's not a socially-responsible attitude. That's why it has to earn
punishment and social disapproval rather than success and sympathetic
attention.

A L P

[baggly grimmel]

Post by Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr.

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

......?????What planet do you live on?

Some people just don't like the way they could get money honestly.
Going to work every day, turning up on time, putting up with the tedium
and bullshit that is part of nearly all occupations. And it takes SO
MANY hours of honest tax-paying work to get as much money as they could
get from one law-breaking activity.......
No, it's not a socially-responsible attitude. That's why it has to earn
punishment and social disapproval rather than success and sympathetic
attention.
A L P

So lovely Agnes, I guess that means you will sing swing low' with me during
the minutes silence?!!>

[Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr.]

Post by baggly grimmel

Post by Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr.

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

......?????What planet do you live on?

Some people just don't like the way they could get money honestly.
Going to work every day, turning up on time, putting up with the tedium
and bullshit that is part of nearly all occupations. And it takes SO
MANY hours of honest tax-paying work to get as much money as they could
get from one law-breaking activity.......
No, it's not a socially-responsible attitude. That's why it has to earn
punishment and social disapproval rather than success and sympathetic
attention.
A L P

So lovely Agnes, I guess that means you will sing swing low' with me during
the minutes silence?!!>

Ooh <slap with handbag> you are cheeky!

A L P

[Toad]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by k***@gmail.com
And a civilised society doesn't bump off drug peddlers?

A truly civilised society would fine them and find out what the hell is
wrong in their life that they can't get money and honest way.

How very lefty naive' of you all, shit the US Military in Afghanistan has
the Poppy trade sewn up ... they have the transport fleet to beat all
transport fleets, and the US public have all that lovely cheap pure blow and horse to
play with ... lifes good if your in the winning team you know.

[Max Burke]

Post by m***@xtra.co.nz

Post by k***@gmail.com
Or China.

Unlike Cuba and China of course, Singapore, according to Fletcher and
his other silly Rudy, Sidproquo mystics, is, a *civilised society*.
Michael Gordge

And the US is?????

1000 and counting....

[baggly grimmel]

Post by m***@xtra.co.nz

Post by k***@gmail.com
Or China.

Unlike Cuba and China of course, Singapore, according to Fletcher and
his other silly Rudy, Sidproquo mystics, is, a *civilised society*.
Michael Gordge

Right, Singapore well observed Gordge, there may be hope for you but why
refer to those who agree with you that Singapore is civilised, as silly?

[Roger Dewhurst]

Post by m***@xtra.co.nz

Post by k***@gmail.com
Or China.

Unlike Cuba and China of course, Singapore, according to Fletcher and
his other silly Rudy, Sidproquo mystics, is, a *civilised society*.
Michael Gordge

Whatever else it is a city/country in which any person, white or brown, can
wander at any time of the night or day without fear of being assaulted,
robbed or murdered. That cannot be said of Auckland

R

[Craig Welch]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:25:54 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"

Post by Roger Dewhurst
Whatever else it is a city/country in which any person, white or brown, can
wander at any time of the night or day without fear of being assaulted,
robbed or murdered. That cannot be said of Auckland

Whilst the crime rate in Singapore is low, don't pretend that crime
doesn't exit. Tourists are mugged from time to time, and there are
murders from time to time.

[baggly grimmel]

Post by Craig Welch
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:25:54 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"

Post by Roger Dewhurst
Whatever else it is a city/country in which any person, white or brown, can
wander at any time of the night or day without fear of being assaulted,
robbed or murdered. That cannot be said of Auckland

Whilst the crime rate in Singapore is low, don't pretend that crime
doesn't exit. Tourists are mugged from time to time, and there are
murders from time to time.

Shit yeah, very dangerous less than one murderer in each million of
population. Hoe uncivilised is that. New Zealand had over 70 last year, of
course Kiwis enjoy all the freedoms, except freedom of fear.

Post by Craig Welch
--
Craig

[m***@xtra.co.nz]

Post by baggly grimmel
Shit yeah, very dangerous less than one murderer in each million of
population.

Got that from a government owned newspaper did you?

Obviously forget to count the cold blooded executions, the cold blooded
murdering of prisoners, one as recent as yesterday, who WAS a peaceful
human being, by the prehisitoric baboons calling themselves a
*civilised government*, didn't you?


Michael Gordge

[Wayne]

On 3 Dec 2005 01:26:25 -0800, ***@xtra.co.nz wrote:

}
}baggly grimmel wrote:
}
}> Shit yeah, very dangerous less than one murderer in each million of
}> population.
}
}Got that from a government owned newspaper did you?
}
}Obviously forget to count the cold blooded executions, the cold blooded
}murdering of prisoners, one as recent as yesterday, who WAS a peaceful
}human being, by the prehisitoric baboons calling themselves a
}*civilised government*, didn't you?
}

An asian thug and drug trafficker - a peaceful human being? You must
be fucking joking.

[m***@xtra.co.nz]

Post by Wayne
An asian thug and drug trafficker - a peaceful human being? You must
be fucking joking.

So name a *victim* of his crime.

Drugs are self-induced you fool.

People CHOOSE to take drugs of their OWN free will.

Willing buyer willing seller, he was executed for being a capitalist,
no doubt you'd be happy about that too.


Michael Gordge

[dechucka]

Post by k***@gmail.com
Or China.

or AMERICA

[l***@yahoo.com.au]

Post by Redbaiter
clonegunman says

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.

So how many letters have you sent to Fidel Castro regarding
executions in Cuba?

A letter should be sent for all executions, right?

So that would make 3 for Cuba in the last five years.

How big is that pile for the U.S.? Singapore? China?

[Redbaiter]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Redbaiter
clonegunman says

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.

So how many letters have you sent to Fidel Castro regarding
executions in Cuba?

A letter should be sent for all executions, right?
So that would make 3 for Cuba in the last five years.
How big is that pile for the U.S.? Singapore? China?

Forget the obvious smokescreening. Just answer the question. How
many?

[l***@yahoo.com.au]

Post by Redbaiter

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Redbaiter
clonegunman says

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.

So how many letters have you sent to Fidel Castro regarding
executions in Cuba?

A letter should be sent for all executions, right?
So that would make 3 for Cuba in the last five years.
How big is that pile for the U.S.? Singapore? China?

Forget the obvious smokescreening. Just answer the question. How
many?

I've sent plenty to Cuba, although not for some years; not on the death
penalty in particular (although I have done that for Viet Nam) but on
prisoners of conscience. Further, I have raised the issue in person
with the former Cuban consul-general in Australia.

Of course, one should concentrate their energies on their own region.
My priorities have been Australia, East Timor and Indonesia.

[Redbaiter]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Redbaiter

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Redbaiter
clonegunman says

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.

So how many letters have you sent to Fidel Castro regarding
executions in Cuba?

A letter should be sent for all executions, right?
So that would make 3 for Cuba in the last five years.
How big is that pile for the U.S.? Singapore? China?

Forget the obvious smokescreening. Just answer the question. How
many?

I've sent plenty to Cuba, although not for some years; not on the death
penalty in particular

So is the answer none or what??

[clonegunman]

More places to send feedback to. I'm sure the good people at
http://www.visitsingapore.com/publish/stbportal/en/home/apps/feedback.html
would also like to have some feedback, i.e that no one wants to visit
their genocidal hellhole.

[clonegunman]

North Korea-like succession planning. Nothing like keeping it in the
family. The current Singaporean Prime Minister is the son of the first
Singaporean Prime Minister.

Lee Hsien Loong was born on 10 February 1952.
First elected Member of Parliament as a candidate of the People's
Action Party (PAP) in 1984, he was re-elected in 1988, 1991, 1997 and
2001.
In 1986, Mr Lee was elected to the Central Executive Committee of the
PAP.
In 1990, Mr Lee was appointed Deputy Prime Minister with
responsibilities for economic and civil service matters. He also
continued as Minister for Trade and Industry until 1992.
Mr Lee was concurrently appointed Chairman of the Monetary Authority of
Singapore in 1998, and Minister for Finance in 2001.
On 12 August 2004, Mr Lee succeeded Mr Goh Chok Tong as Prime Minister.
He remains the Minister for Finance but relinquished the chairmanship
of the Monetary Authority of Singapore to Senior Minister Goh Chok
Tong.

[Redbaiter]

clonegunman says

Post by clonegunman
More places to send feedback to. I'm sure the good people at
http://www.visitsingapore.com/publish/stbportal/en/home/apps/feedback.html
would also like to have some feedback, i.e that no one wants to visit
their genocidal hellhole.

But they like coming to NZ so they can be killed by P crazed
losers like you..

[Wayne]

On 2 Dec 2005 03:05:52 -0800, "clonegunman" <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:

}More places to send feedback to. I'm sure the good people at
}http://www.visitsingapore.com/publish/stbportal/en/home/apps/feedback.html
}would also like to have some feedback, i.e that no one wants to visit
}their genocidal hellhole.

Singapores a nice place, what's your fucking problem shithead - Bali
the only place you can afford to go and fuck kids?

[sdf]

Post by Wayne
}More places to send feedback to. I'm sure the good people at
}http://www.visitsingapore.com/publish/stbportal/en/home/apps/feedback.html
}would also like to have some feedback, i.e that no one wants to visit
}their genocidal hellhole.
Singapores a nice place, what's your fucking problem shithead

But Waynee- it's full of Gooks. Surely you couldn't go there.

[Wayne]

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:47:35 GMT, "sdf" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

}
}"Wayne" <***@testo.com.au> wrote in message
}news:***@4ax.com...
}> On 2 Dec 2005 03:05:52 -0800, "clonegunman" <***@hotmail.com>
}> wrote:
}>
}> }More places to send feedback to. I'm sure the good people at
}> }http://www.visitsingapore.com/publish/stbportal/en/home/apps/feedback.html
}> }would also like to have some feedback, i.e that no one wants to visit
}> }their genocidal hellhole.
}>
}> Singapores a nice place, what's your fucking problem shithead
}
}But Waynee- it's full of Gooks. Surely you couldn't go there.
}

Gooks in their own country don't present a problem...

[Wayne]

On 2 Dec 2005 02:47:00 -0800, "***@yahoo.com.au"
<***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

}
}Redbaiter wrote:
}> ***@yahoo.com.au says
}> >
}> > Redbaiter wrote:
}> > > clonegunman says
}> > >
}> > >
}> > > > re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
}> > >
}> > >
}> > > So how many letters have you sent to Fidel Castro regarding
}> > > executions in Cuba?
}> >
}> > A letter should be sent for all executions, right?
}> >
}> > So that would make 3 for Cuba in the last five years.
}> >
}> > How big is that pile for the U.S.? Singapore? China?
}> >
}> >
}> Forget the obvious smokescreening. Just answer the question. How
}> many?
}
}I've sent plenty to Cuba, although not for some years; not on the death
}penalty in particular (although I have done that for Viet Nam) but on
}prisoners of conscience. Further, I have raised the issue in person
}with the former Cuban consul-general in Australia.
}
}Of course, one should concentrate their energies on their own region.
}My priorities have been Australia, East Timor and Indonesia.

When you've bothered to roll out of bed you mean?

[Andrew D]

Post by l***@yahoo.com.au

Post by Redbaiter
clonegunman says

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.

So how many letters have you sent to Fidel Castro regarding
executions in Cuba?

A letter should be sent for all executions, right?
So that would make 3 for Cuba in the last five years.
How big is that pile for the U.S.? Singapore? China?

And the "unofficial" yet quietly sanctioned stonings etc in various Muslim
nations? What were they for again - oh yes, being a rape victim.

[WeeWillyWonka]

Yay for Singapore!

willy

[Dr Steven Ward]

Post by WeeWillyWonka
Yay for Singapore!

Slick willy or sick willy ???? B^D

[clonegunman]

Post by WeeWillyWonka
Yay for Singapore!
willy

Moron. Stop pulling your miniscule willy.

[clonegunman]

You too can join Young PAP or leave them some feedback at
http://www.youngpap.org.sg/contact.shtml about what you think of their
genocidal hellhole.

[jantan]

The big Drug Lords are still laughing all the way to the banks. They will
continue with the supply of a few fools now and again to hang

Post by clonegunman
You too can join Young PAP or leave them some feedback at
http://www.youngpap.org.sg/contact.shtml about what you think of their
genocidal hellhole.

[Max Burke]

Why???????????

[clonegunman]

http://www.sfdonline.org/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Pf/abcspies.html

There are claims Singapore has extensively spied on Australia's
military.

[Craig Welch]

Post by clonegunman
http://www.sfdonline.org/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Pf/abcspies.html
There are claims Singapore has extensively spied on Australia's
military.

Those claims are probably correct.

And Australia spies on Singapore and other Asian neighbours.

Your point?

[clonegunman]

Post by Craig Welch
And Australia spies on Singapore and other Asian neighbours.
Your point?
--
Craig

Your proof?

[Kwyjibo]

Post by clonegunman

Post by Craig Welch
And Australia spies on Singapore and other Asian neighbours.
Your point?
--
Craig

Your proof?

Hav you already fogotten our bugging of the Chinese embassy in Canberra?

[news.news]

Where is yours?

Post by clonegunman

Post by Craig Welch
And Australia spies on Singapore and other Asian neighbours.
Your point?
--
Craig

Your proof?

[jantan]

Post by Craig Welch

Post by clonegunman
http://www.sfdonline.org/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Pf/abcspies.html
There are claims Singapore has extensively spied on Australia's
military.

Their spies tell them Australia is not preparing to go to war against
Singapore if Singapore hangs Van Nguyen They can with impunity hang him and
there will be no repurcussions.

Post by Craig Welch
Those claims are probably correct.
And Australia spies on Singapore and other Asian neighbours.
Your point?
--
Craig

[Barry Lennox]

Post by clonegunman
http://www.sfdonline.org/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Pf/abcspies.html
There are claims Singapore has extensively spied on Australia's
military.

Yawn, You are undoubtedly correct. So?? Your point is?? Which nation
does not spy on others?? They may not call it spying, and wear "Spy
vs Spy" costumes. Just what do you think Diplomats, Foreign Affairs,
and Military Liaison Officers are paid for? JUST to consume pink gins?
If they were not doing a little observing (aka spying in some circles)
I would, as a taxpayer, be rather annoyed.

[Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr.]

Post by clonegunman
http://www.sfdonline.org/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Pf/abcspies.html
There are claims Singapore has extensively spied on Australia's
military.

Gee whiz.

A L P

[DuffMan]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.
The ruling party in fascist virtual one-party state Singapore is the
People's Action Party whose e-mail address can be found at
I see the PAP has got a Young PAP - I presume this must be their
equivalent of the Hitler Youth.
Also they have a Women's Wing - I presume this is their equivalent of
the League of the Golden Maidens.
Read about the so-called "trade unions" in Singapore which are actually
a Stakhanovite type front for the PAP.
http://www.ntuc.org.sg/ntucunions/abt_ntuc_story.asp
"A Proactive government, willing to take unpleasant decisions neccesary
in the long run for the good of the people - these are critical
factors. Also, in our case, between policy makers and government,
between employers and workers, we have developed institutions and
relationship which work. They don't exist elsewhere." - Senior Minister
Lee Kuan Yew, July 1996
Arbeit macht frei!

And your solution is........

Now don't tell me let me guess
Send him back to oz and lock him up for what 10 years.
Now I believe the going rate for inmates is $100,000 a year.
So spending $1Mil on a drug dealer/smuggler/distributor is good
value ?

[ralph]

Repost to soc.culture.singapore ... in case there exists any
Singaporeans brave enough to speak out against the fascist PAP and the
Lee family nepotism.

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.
The ruling party in fascist virtual one-party state Singapore is the
People's Action Party whose e-mail address can be found at
I see the PAP has got a Young PAP - I presume this must be their
equivalent of the Hitler Youth.
Also they have a Women's Wing - I presume this is their equivalent of
the League of the Golden Maidens.
Read about the so-called "trade unions" in Singapore which are actually
a Stakhanovite type front for the PAP.
http://www.ntuc.org.sg/ntucunions/abt_ntuc_story.asp
"A Proactive government, willing to take unpleasant decisions neccesary
in the long run for the good of the people - these are critical
factors. Also, in our case, between policy makers and government,
between employers and workers, we have developed institutions and
relationship which work. They don't exist elsewhere." - Senior Minister
Lee Kuan Yew, July 1996
Arbeit macht frei!

[globalise]

If I got time to speak out, I will ask the Oz customs officers why they always target
Asian visitor at airport, topsy turvy suitcases, even open my ball pen.
I will ask them what are they looking for ? Drugs ?

Post by ralph
Repost to soc.culture.singapore ... in case there exists any
Singaporeans brave enough to speak out against the fascist PAP and the
Lee family nepotism.

[ralph]

Post by globalise
If I got time to speak out, I will ask the Oz customs officers why they always target
Asian visitor at airport, topsy turvy suitcases, even open my ball pen.
I will ask them what are they looking for ? Drugs ?

Nope ... it's "quarantine" ... they are looking for fruit, meat, live
birds, etc etc - anything that might bring in disease.

Don't feel victimised ... these days, they x-ray bags of most incoming
passengers, especially visitors who are likely not familiar with our
strict quarantine laws.

The good news is that no matter what you try to smuggle in, we won't
hang you ;-)

[Craig Welch]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 09:17:52 +1100, ralph

Post by ralph
Don't feel victimised ... these days, they x-ray bags of most incoming
passengers, especially visitors who are likely not familiar with our
strict quarantine laws.

As far as I have seen, they x-ray the luggage of *all* incoming
passengers .. although I guess Mr Howard's is not.

[globalise]

And do they still practice spraying the aircraft cabin before the animals, err I mean
the passengers got off the plane ? And open up my ball pen for fruits ? Geezeeeee..

Post by ralph
Nope ... it's "quarantine" ... they are looking for fruit, meat, live
birds, etc etc - anything that might bring in disease.
Don't feel victimised ... these days, they x-ray bags of most incoming
passengers, especially visitors who are likely not familiar with our
strict quarantine laws.
The good news is that no matter what you try to smuggle in, we won't
hang you ;-)

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

Correct.

Post by clonegunman
The ruling party in fascist virtual one-party state Singapore is the
People's Action Party whose e-mail address can be found at
I see the PAP has got a Young PAP - I presume this must be their
equivalent of the Hitler Youth.
Also they have a Women's Wing - I presume this is their equivalent of
the League of the Golden Maidens.
Read about the so-called "trade unions" in Singapore which are actually
a Stakhanovite type front for the PAP.
http://www.ntuc.org.sg/ntucunions/abt_ntuc_story.asp
"A Proactive government, willing to take unpleasant decisions neccesary
in the long run for the good of the people - these are critical
factors. Also, in our case, between policy makers and government,
between employers and workers, we have developed institutions and
relationship which work. They don't exist elsewhere." - Senior Minister
Lee Kuan Yew, July 1996
Arbeit macht frei!

[baggly grimmel]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

You are seriously misguided in my opinion. There are notices up in
practically every airport in Asia saying exactly what punishment there is,
death, for trafficing in drugs.

So the punishment in Singapore fitted Nguyen's crime exactly as described.

Nguyen made the choice and took the risk.

[Craig Welch]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:04:24 +1300, "baggly grimmel"

Post by baggly grimmel

Post by clonegunman
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

You are seriously misguided in my opinion. There are notices up in
practically every airport in Asia saying exactly what punishment there is,
death, for trafficing in drugs.
So the punishment in Singapore fitted Nguyen's crime exactly as described.

That doesn't make it an appropriate punishment. It just means that's
what the punishment is.

Post by baggly grimmel
Nguyen made the choice and took the risk.

Certainly.

[j***@yahoo.com]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

Singapore is following the Western world message about
drugs, and doing it honestly, if extremely.

If you say "drugs are heinous", you can't take others to
task for punishing people for dealing in them.

The Singapore death policy is not more draconian in essence
than the US mandatoray sentencing laws etc. If you agree with
the US (absurd) stance that "drugs destroy lives", then how is
dealing drugs different from multiple murders?

The hypocrisy belongs totally and entirely to Australia in this
incidence. By making drugs illegal, it has created a black
market for them, which is profitable enough that people are
willing to risk their lives for the profits. Thus the execution
was done by Australia, Singapore being an instrument,
and a very clean one at that because its policy is
clear and transparent.

If Australians wish to be honest about the situation, they
should legalize and monitor drugs of recreation, and create
support institutions to help those that get in trouble.

If you wish to send a message of disgust, send it
to Australian lawmakers.

[a***@primus.com.au]

Post by j***@yahoo.com

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.

Singapore is following the Western world message about
drugs, and doing it honestly, if extremely.
If you say "drugs are heinous", you can't take others to
task for punishing people for dealing in them.
The Singapore death policy is not more draconian in essence
than the US mandatoray sentencing laws etc. If you agree with
the US (absurd) stance that "drugs destroy lives", then how is
dealing drugs different from multiple murders?
The hypocrisy belongs totally and entirely to Australia in this
incidence. By making drugs illegal, it has created a black
market for them, which is profitable enough that people are
willing to risk their lives for the profits. Thus the execution
was done by Australia, Singapore being an instrument,
and a very clean one at that because its policy is
clear and transparent.
If Australians wish to be honest about the situation, they
should legalize and monitor drugs of recreation, and create
support institutions to help those that get in trouble.
If you wish to send a message of disgust, send it
to Australian lawmakers.

I agree with Singapores laws regarding the death penalty for drug
dealers, perhaps that is why they have one of the cleanest cities in
the world. I have little respect for bleeding heart apologist for a
heroin dealer whose dealing caused the death and destruction of so many
lives.

[Craig Welch]

Post by a***@primus.com.au
I agree with Singapores laws regarding the death penalty for drug
dealers, perhaps that is why they have one of the cleanest cities in
the world.

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding why Singapore's laws for
execution of drug dealers keep the streets clean. Can you elaborate?

[Old Bill]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.
The ruling party in fascist virtual one-party state Singapore is the
People's Action Party whose e-mail address can be found at
I see the PAP has got a Young PAP - I presume this must be their
equivalent of the Hitler Youth.
Also they have a Women's Wing - I presume this is their equivalent of
the League of the Golden Maidens.
Read about the so-called "trade unions" in Singapore which are actually
a Stakhanovite type front for the PAP.
http://www.ntuc.org.sg/ntucunions/abt_ntuc_story.asp
"A Proactive government, willing to take unpleasant decisions neccesary
in the long run for the good of the people - these are critical
factors. Also, in our case, between policy makers and government,
between employers and workers, we have developed institutions and
relationship which work. They don't exist elsewhere." - Senior Minister
Lee Kuan Yew, July 1996
Arbeit macht frei!

Alternatively - send a message of support to the same address.

[Cowboy Bill]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but the punishment
does not fit the crime in this case.
The ruling party in fascist virtual one-party state Singapore is the
People's Action Party whose e-mail address can be found at
I see the PAP has got a Young PAP - I presume this must be their
equivalent of the Hitler Youth.
Also they have a Women's Wing - I presume this is their equivalent of
the League of the Golden Maidens.
Read about the so-called "trade unions" in Singapore which are actually
a Stakhanovite type front for the PAP.
http://www.ntuc.org.sg/ntucunions/abt_ntuc_story.asp
"A Proactive government, willing to take unpleasant decisions neccesary
in the long run for the good of the people - these are critical
factors. Also, in our case, between policy makers and government,
between employers and workers, we have developed institutions and
relationship which work. They don't exist elsewhere." - Senior Minister
Lee Kuan Yew, July 1996
Arbeit macht frei!

Get stuffed .He knew what he was doing and got what was comint to him.

[Andrew D]

Post by clonegunman
re the execution of Van Tuong Nguyen.

Why only this execution? Should Australians be treated differently
overseas because we're so soft on criminals here?

Post by clonegunman
I'm not advocating drug use/importation/exportation but

you don't vehemently oppose it?

Post by clonegunman
the punishment does not fit the crime in this case.

Yes it does. Singapore law states that if you do this you will hang. He
did it, he was hanged. The punishment is clearly in line with the law
regarding his crime.

Now, I'm not a supporter of the death penalty but this sudden interest in
it just because an Australian got caught up in it leaves me somewhat
dumbfounded because by targeting THIS individual case and calling for
clemency for THIS individual case, it does/did in fact send a message that
Australia doesn't think drug crimes perpetrated by Australians are serious
crimes when the message should be that Australia opposes the death penalty
(Of course that would put Australia at odds with George Bush so I wouldn't
expect too much support from Canberra for that protest).

[Craig Welch]

Post by Andrew D

Post by clonegunman
the punishment does not fit the crime in this case.

Yes it does. Singapore law states that if you do this you will hang. He
did it, he was hanged. The punishment is clearly in line with the law
regarding his crime.

You are confusing 'in line with the law' with 'fits the crime'.

[jantan]

Post by Craig Welch

Post by Andrew D

Post by clonegunman
the punishment does not fit the crime in this case.

Yes it does. Singapore law states that if you do this you will hang. He
did it, he was hanged. The punishment is clearly in line with the law
regarding his crime.

You are confusing 'in line with the law' with 'fits the crime'.
--
Craig

A massive tsunami is destined to strike Singapore to atone for their
heartlessness. Their PM continues to acrue more bad Karma and has not learnt
his leasons so far. He will in due cause have to suffer a greater pain than
Van's mother has to go through.
I say to him, go for the big boys and stop hanging the pawns who have been
offered as a gift for him and his boys to look good and efficient.

[clonegunman]

jantan wrote: <SNIP>

Post by jantan
A massive tsunami is destined to strike Singapore to atone for their
heartlessness. Their PM continues to acrue more bad Karma and has not learnt
his leasons so far. He will in due cause have to suffer a greater pain than
Van's mother has to go through.

Before the tsunami gets there, further messages of disgust could be
left at http://www.ecitizen.gov.sg/feedback.html
I have placed a message on behalf of the citizens of New Zealand.

[clonegunman]

Post by clonegunman
jantan wrote: <SNIP>

Post by jantan
A massive tsunami is destined to strike Singapore to atone for their
heartlessness. Their PM continues to acrue more bad Karma and has not learnt
his leasons so far. He will in due cause have to suffer a greater pain than
Van's mother has to go through.

Before the tsunami gets there, further messages of disgust could be
left at http://www.ecitizen.gov.sg/feedback.html
I have placed a message on behalf of the citizens of New Zealand.

Oh, and here's another place to put feedback of disgust
http://app.feedback.gov.sg/asp/mis/mis02.asp

[clonegunman]

Post by clonegunman

Post by clonegunman
jantan wrote: <SNIP>

Post by jantan
A massive tsunami is destined to strike Singapore to atone for their
heartlessness. Their PM continues to acrue more bad Karma and has not learnt
his leasons so far. He will in due cause have to suffer a greater pain than
Van's mother has to go through.

Before the tsunami gets there, further messages of disgust could be
left at http://www.ecitizen.gov.sg/feedback.html
I have placed a message on behalf of the citizens of New Zealand.

Oh, and here's another place to put feedback of disgust
http://app.feedback.gov.sg/asp/mis/mis02.asp

P S - I forgot that some of you who don't live in freedom loving
democracies such as New Zealand risk being locked up or worse for
having an opinion that differs with Fuhrer Lee or the PAP.