Discussion:
Next...
(too old to reply)
Fran
2020-02-03 08:23:01 UTC
Permalink
Moving right along on the rorts front, now we have this:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/another-government-rort-infrastructure-grants-program-awarded-94-percent-of-cash-to-coalition-marginal-seats-20200203-p53x7s.html
FMurtz
2020-02-04 00:23:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fran
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/another-government-rort-infrastructure-grants-program-awarded-94-percent-of-cash-to-coalition-marginal-seats-20200203-p53x7s.html
Is not that what grants are for? What is different now, they all do it.
Petzl
2020-02-04 00:57:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by FMurtz
Post by Fran
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/another-government-rort-infrastructure-grants-program-awarded-94-percent-of-cash-to-coalition-marginal-seats-20200203-p53x7s.html
Is not that what grants are for? What is different now, they all do it.
And if the choice is between moaning whining Labor/"Greens" electorate
or all hailing praises Liberal electorate it's sensible political
process to do what the minister did!
--
Petzl
Mark Latham has seen the light
Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Ördög
2020-02-04 02:31:56 UTC
Permalink
Petz
Post by Ördög
FMurtz
Post by FMurtz
Fran
Post by Fran
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/another-government-rort-
infrastructure-grants-program-awarded-94-percent-of-cash-to-coalition-
marginal-seats-20200203-p53x7s.html
Post by Ördög
Post by FMurtz
Is not that what grants are for? What is different now, they all do it.
And if the choice is between moaning whining Labor/"Greens" electorate
or all hailing praises Liberal electorate it's sensible political
process to do what the minister did!
Thanks for confirming that the ScoMo crowd is NOT interested in governing
the country for all Australians.
In fact, I strongly suspect that not all dumb and badly conned LNP voters
get the benefit of their born to rule corruption.

I also note that hard-right political corruption in your book happily
Trumps (pun intended) any transparent democratic governance as long as
your hated opponents are screwed bad.
Post by Ördög
...One Nation is like eating shit...
Finally an observation of your of yours I can happily agree with!
--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, B.J. Foster Lion's farts, Mad Ned Latham,
the Little Jonzie Howard troll in his current reincarnation, that
septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb and randomly blown-in
Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>
Ördög
2020-02-04 01:53:57 UTC
Permalink
FMurtz declared
Post by FMurtz
Post by Fran
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/another-government-rort-
infrastructure-grants-program-awarded-94-percent-of-cash-to-coalition-
marginal-seats-20200203-p53x7s.html
Post by FMurtz
Is not that what grants are for? What is different now, they all do it.
And so FMUrtz is OK with misuse of taxpayers' moneys for party political
gain?
Just because they do it all (so he says)?

What a "tolerant" attitude towards what governments are allowed to get
away with. (just as long as the LNP was in power, eh?, otherwise you'd
scream blue murder.)
--
Rest assured I am not going anywhere !!!
Ördög
2020-02-04 21:03:03 UTC
Permalink
Ördög
Post by Ördög
FMurtz
Post by FMurtz
Fran
Post by Fran
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/another-government-rort-
infrastructure-grants-program-awarded-94-percent-of-cash-to-coalition-
marginal-seats-20200203-p53x7s.html
Post by FMurtz
Is not that what grants are for? What is different now, they all do it.
And so FMUrtz is OK with misuse of taxpayers' moneys for party
political gain?
Just because they do it all (so he says)?
Not OK,Just sarcasm
Should I put an explanation just for you
Why do you assume that posters on this newsgroup are mind readers?
I guess proper communication skills are not your forte....
Post by Ördög
What a "tolerant" attitude towards what governments are allowed to get
away with. (just as long as the LNP was in power, eh?, otherwise you'd
scream blue murder.)
--
Ördög, without any apologies !!!
Petzl
2020-02-04 20:32:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by FMurtz
Post by Fran
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/another-government-rort-infrastructure-grants-program-awarded-94-percent-of-cash-to-coalition-marginal-seats-20200203-p53x7s.html
Is not that what grants are for? What is different now, they all do it.
No, using grants to pork barrel is not what grants are for. Nor do
'they' all do it.
The government of Australia is supposed to govern on behalf of the
majority of Australians not just the people who vote for members of that
government. They are also supposed to understand good governance which
means transparency and accountability for the use of govt money way.
The current lot are a bunch of rogues without an ethical bone in their
bodies.
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art modern
millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere near
Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/blacktown-advocate/western-sydney-incinerator-nsw-labor-to-call-for-moratorium-on-energy-from-waste-plants/news-story/cf711d52321b3e242938ac613e424493?fbclid=IwAR2lsHKczSWbpRJxPl1jFFHdK1d8fPVeNGbRZVOmep-o4oBtTDEnPLeuqZM
https://is.gd/ZibqFF
A western Sydney MP is set to stoke the fire of the incinerator debate
as new plans for a waste to energy facility is raised in Eastern
Creek.
*********************
Labor/"Greens" would moan and groan about everything/anything decent
and necessary for Sydney's environment. Will provide power to 65,000
homes
Labors preferred method??


Sweden generates energy from waste and imports waste to generate more.
Burns it in high temperature incineration (at over 800 centigrade)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/how-would-burning-rubbish-like-sweden-work-in-australia/10115694?fbclid=IwAR0p7Ckf9XS2NN00h_bEL4m7ljZj-LzTpVqErc3VDw2Jx5StSuldGKDNcM8
https://is.gd/cDNuIu
--
Petzl
Mark Latham has seen the light
Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
news18
2020-02-05 00:05:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art modern
millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere near
Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.

Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is to
be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the Blue
Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South Head
Petzl
2020-02-05 03:27:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art modern
millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere near
Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is to
be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the Blue
Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of
plastic, there are no "smokestacks" no smell you are a idiot that
knows absolutely NOTHING like all Labor/Greens
a good by product is enough electricity for 65,000 homes
http://youtu.be/wVnMBGXVVUI
Labor/Greens method to dispose of plastic

By the way everyone on planet earth now has measurable micro-plastic
in their blood stream!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/22/microplastics-found-in-human-stools-for-the-first-time
https://is.gd/fLtTS8
--
Petzl
Mark Latham has seen the light
Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
news18
2020-02-05 03:40:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art modern
millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere near
Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is
to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the
Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South
Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do not
see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.

There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete combustion
unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces the visible
carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds produced as none
of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as the toxic dyes in
the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they burn. not, you can not
have a high temperature incinerator with out good dry fuel, like paper,
which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
Petzl
2020-02-05 03:45:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by news18
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art modern
millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere near
Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is
to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the
Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South
Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do not
see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.
There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete combustion
unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces the visible
carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds produced as none
of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as the toxic dyes in
the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they burn. not, you can not
have a high temperature incinerator with out good dry fuel, like paper,
which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
--
Petzl
Bush Fires:
The sheer number of bushfires that have been
intentionally lit this year in Australia
is off the charts.
It does suggest a coordinated campaign.
Question is: who's ultimately behind it?
..thoughts anybody..
news18
2020-02-05 09:01:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art
modern millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere
near Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is
to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the
Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South
Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do
not see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.
There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete combustion
unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces the visible
carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds produced as
none of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as the toxic dyes
in the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they burn. not, you can
not have a high temperature incinerator with out good dry fuel, like
paper, which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Petzl
2020-02-05 20:46:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art
modern millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere
near Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is
to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the
Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South
Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do
not see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.
There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete combustion
unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces the visible
carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds produced as
none of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as the toxic dyes
in the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they burn. not, you can
not have a high temperature incinerator with out good dry fuel, like
paper, which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.

The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006 and all stack
emissions are continuously monitored second by second, by a very
expensive accurate stack gas analyzer, which gives that information to
the State Environment protection agency. Every day Lab samples are
taken to confirm the analyzers accuracy
No smoke ever comes from stack/flu
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge
Dechucka
2020-02-05 21:07:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art
modern millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere
near Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is
to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the
Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South
Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do
not see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.
There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete combustion
unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces the visible
carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds produced as
none of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as the toxic dyes
in the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they burn. not, you can
not have a high temperature incinerator with out good dry fuel, like
paper, which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.
The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006
Where abouts?
Petzl
2020-02-06 20:34:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art
modern millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere
near Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is
to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the
Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South
Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do
not see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.
There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete combustion
unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces the visible
carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds produced as
none of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as the toxic dyes
in the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they burn. not, you can
not have a high temperature incinerator with out good dry fuel, like
paper, which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.
The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006
Where abouts?
Botany ORICA, helped built two there, first was a non-air-breather
plants are always sent in kit set form then assembled by the
manufacturers engineers.

Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.

When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Not hard to find on youtube
http://youtu.be/wVnMBGXVVUI

Every bit of water on earth, rain, oceans rivers, your blood, now
contain plastic. Every human has plastic in their blood.
Human stool samples now are getting a result for measurable amounts!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-microplastics/microplastics-turning-up-in-human-stool-idUSKCN1VN23O
https://is.gd/ydYFxX
--
Petzl
Mark Latham has seen the light
Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Dechucka
2020-02-06 20:59:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art
modern millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere
near Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is
to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the
Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South
Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do
not see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.
There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete combustion
unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces the visible
carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds produced as
none of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as the toxic dyes
in the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they burn. not, you can
not have a high temperature incinerator with out good dry fuel, like
paper, which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.
The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006
Where abouts?
Botany ORICA, helped built two there, first was a non-air-breather
plants are always sent in kit set form then assembled by the
manufacturers engineers.
Was this when you were a fire-fighter in the petrochemical industry. I
thought that ORICO's HCB's were stored at Botany and shipped to Finland
for incineration.
Post by Petzl
Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.
In Europe where is lot of waste-to-energy incineration there are major
concerns that the flue gases release pollutants like dioxins into the
atmosphere even with modern filters. Personally I like the idea of
waste-to-energy incineration if it is done properly of course there are
by-products like flue-gases and ash. Plastics etc should not end up in
landfill and organic landfill is a large source of methane (of course
this can and is captured for energy production)
Post by Petzl
When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Really. WOW so you're against dumping our waste products, like GHGs,
into the environment
Post by Petzl
Not hard to find on youtube
http://youtu.be/wVnMBGXVVUI
Every bit of water on earth, rain, oceans rivers, your blood, now
contain plastic. Every human has plastic in their blood.
Human stool samples now are getting a result for measurable amounts!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-microplastics/microplastics-turning-up-in-human-stool-idUSKCN1VN23O
https://is.gd/ydYFxX
Look what happens when we dump our waste products, like GHGs,into the
environment
Petzl
2020-02-06 22:15:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a proposed
high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state of art
modern millennium technology, world best practice, that's nowhere
near Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but is
to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include the
Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on South
Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do
not see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.
There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete combustion
unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces the visible
carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds produced as
none of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as the toxic dyes
in the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they burn. not, you can
not have a high temperature incinerator with out good dry fuel, like
paper, which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.
The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006
Where abouts?
Botany ORICA, helped built two there, first was a non-air-breather
plants are always sent in kit set form then assembled by the
manufacturers engineers.
Was this when you were a fire-fighter in the petrochemical industry. I
All petrochemical places I have worked with required being sent away
for fire training, last time sent to Brisbane by Orica, Also had to
train as to report ignition sources.
Post by Dechucka
thought that ORICO's HCB's were stored at Botany and shipped to Finland
for incineration.
Haven't been there for years but they trying to get Finland to dispose
of waste HCB don't know if it eventuated they had tried before but
were turned down at last minute
Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.
In Europe where is lot of waste-to-energy incineration there are major
concerns that the flue gases release pollutants like dioxins into the
atmosphere even with modern filters. Personally I like the idea of
waste-to-energy incineration if it is done properly of course there are
by-products like flue-gases and ash. Plastics etc should not end up in
landfill and organic landfill is a large source of methane (of course
this can and is captured for energy production)
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors
Just not true
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Really. WOW so you're against dumping our waste products, like GHGs,
into the environment
Who does this "dumping", this is money why would companies dump money
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors Just not true.

I support high temperature incinerators for burning waste as the best
option, they run on natural gas and generate a lot of electricity
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Not hard to find on youtube
http://youtu.be/wVnMBGXVVUI
Every bit of water on earth, rain, oceans rivers, your blood, now
contain plastic. Every human has plastic in their blood.
Human stool samples now are getting a result for measurable amounts!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-microplastics/microplastics-turning-up-in-human-stool-idUSKCN1VN23O
https://is.gd/ydYFxX
Look what happens when we dump our waste products, like GHGs,into the
environment
Just not happening, into atmosphere.
Plastic trash is solid very slow to break down, best to use
intelligent high temperature incinerators
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/how-would-burning-rubbish-like-sweden-work-in-australia/10115694?fbclid=IwAR0p7Ckf9XS2NN00h_bEL4m7ljZj-LzTpVqErc3VDw2Jx5StSuldGKDNcM8
https://is.gd/cDNuIu
--
Petzl
Mark Latham has seen the light
Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Dechucka
2020-02-06 22:31:35 UTC
Permalink
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Botany ORICA, helped built two there, first was a non-air-breather
plants are always sent in kit set form then assembled by the
manufacturers engineers.
Was this when you were a fire-fighter in the petrochemical industry. I
All petrochemical places I have worked with required being sent away
for fire training, last time sent to Brisbane by Orica, Also had to
train as to report ignition sources.
So you are as well trained as my wife who is the 'fire person' at her
school. Not really a fire-fighter are you.
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
thought that ORICO's HCB's were stored at Botany and shipped to Finland
for incineration.
Haven't been there for years but they trying to get Finland to dispose
of waste HCB don't know if it eventuated they had tried before but
were turned down at last minute
Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
So ORICO doesn't actually have high temperature incinerators for getting
rid of commercial/polluting waste at Botany does it.
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.
In Europe where is lot of waste-to-energy incineration there are major
concerns that the flue gases release pollutants like dioxins into the
atmosphere even with modern filters. Personally I like the idea of
waste-to-energy incineration if it is done properly of course there are
by-products like flue-gases and ash. Plastics etc should not end up in
landfill and organic landfill is a large source of methane (of course
this can and is captured for energy production)
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors
Just not true
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Really. WOW so you're against dumping our waste products, like GHGs,
into the environment
Who does this "dumping",
You when you drive your car,use a bus, turn on the power and industry.

this is money why would companies dump money
Post by Petzl
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors Just not true.
You're a scientific luddite whacko
Post by Petzl
I support high temperature incinerators for burning waste as the best
option, they run on natural gas and generate a lot of electricity
plus flue gases, I hope those scrubbers work and that the ash is not to
polluted
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Not hard to find on youtube
http://youtu.be/wVnMBGXVVUI
Every bit of water on earth, rain, oceans rivers, your blood, now
contain plastic. Every human has plastic in their blood.
Human stool samples now are getting a result for measurable amounts!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-microplastics/microplastics-turning-up-in-human-stool-idUSKCN1VN23O
https://is.gd/ydYFxX
Look what happens when we dump our waste products, like GHGs,into the
environment
Just not happening, into atmosphere.
Of course it is. Are you totally unattached from reality?
Post by Petzl
Plastic trash is solid very slow to break down, best to use
intelligent high temperature incinerators
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/how-would-burning-rubbish-like-sweden-work-in-australia/10115694?fbclid=IwAR0p7Ckf9XS2NN00h_bEL4m7ljZj-LzTpVqErc3VDw2Jx5StSuldGKDNcM8
https://is.gd/cDNuIu
You seemed to have snipped mu comments about this. Why?
Petzl
2020-02-06 22:49:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Botany ORICA, helped built two there, first was a non-air-breather
plants are always sent in kit set form then assembled by the
manufacturers engineers.
Was this when you were a fire-fighter in the petrochemical industry. I
All petrochemical places I have worked with required being sent away
for fire training, last time sent to Brisbane by Orica, Also had to
train as to report ignition sources.
So you are as well trained as my wife who is the 'fire person' at her
school. Not really a fire-fighter are you.
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
thought that ORICO's HCB's were stored at Botany and shipped to Finland
for incineration.
Haven't been there for years but they trying to get Finland to dispose
of waste HCB don't know if it eventuated they had tried before but
were turned down at last minute
Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
So ORICO doesn't actually have high temperature incinerators for getting
rid of commercial/polluting waste at Botany does it.
Have a number, used as part of a chemical process so does not get
the/a name "high temperature incinerator"
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.
In Europe where is lot of waste-to-energy incineration there are major
concerns that the flue gases release pollutants like dioxins into the
atmosphere even with modern filters. Personally I like the idea of
waste-to-energy incineration if it is done properly of course there are
by-products like flue-gases and ash. Plastics etc should not end up in
landfill and organic landfill is a large source of methane (of course
this can and is captured for energy production)
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors
Just not true
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Really. WOW so you're against dumping our waste products, like GHGs,
into the environment
Who does this "dumping",
You when you drive your car,use a bus, turn on the power and industry.
And your point, this is not dumping
Post by Dechucka
this is money why would companies dump money
Post by Petzl
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors Just not true.
You're a scientific luddite whacko
Get paid a lot of money for what I do.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
I support high temperature incinerators for burning waste as the best
option, they run on natural gas and generate a lot of electricity
plus flue gases, I hope those scrubbers work and that the ash is not to
polluted
No ash left to be scrubbed, they do have scrubbers though, more for pH
control of the flue gas
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Not hard to find on youtube
http://youtu.be/wVnMBGXVVUI
Every bit of water on earth, rain, oceans rivers, your blood, now
contain plastic. Every human has plastic in their blood.
Human stool samples now are getting a result for measurable amounts!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-microplastics/microplastics-turning-up-in-human-stool-idUSKCN1VN23O
https://is.gd/ydYFxX
Look what happens when we dump our waste products, like GHGs,into the
environment
Just not happening, into atmosphere.
Of course it is. Are you totally unattached from reality?
Plastic as it gets ground up to micro-plastic, is carried into
atmosphere with water vapour.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Plastic trash is solid very slow to break down, best to use
intelligent high temperature incinerators
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/how-would-burning-rubbish-like-sweden-work-in-australia/10115694?fbclid=IwAR0p7Ckf9XS2NN00h_bEL4m7ljZj-LzTpVqErc3VDw2Jx5StSuldGKDNcM8
https://is.gd/cDNuIu
You seemed to have snipped mu comments about this. Why?
You are dreaming?
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within
Dechucka
2020-02-07 01:08:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Botany ORICA, helped built two there, first was a non-air-breather
plants are always sent in kit set form then assembled by the
manufacturers engineers.
Was this when you were a fire-fighter in the petrochemical industry. I
All petrochemical places I have worked with required being sent away
for fire training, last time sent to Brisbane by Orica, Also had to
train as to report ignition sources.
So you are as well trained as my wife who is the 'fire person' at her
school. Not really a fire-fighter are you.
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
What is a 500 psi hose?
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
thought that ORICO's HCB's were stored at Botany and shipped to Finland
for incineration.
Haven't been there for years but they trying to get Finland to dispose
of waste HCB don't know if it eventuated they had tried before but
were turned down at last minute
Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
So ORICO doesn't actually have high temperature incinerators for getting
rid of commercial/polluting waste at Botany does it.
Have a number, used as part of a chemical process so does not get
the/a name "high temperature incinerator"
Bullshit that they have "high temperature incinerator"s that you claimed
to have helped build.
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.
In Europe where is lot of waste-to-energy incineration there are major
concerns that the flue gases release pollutants like dioxins into the
atmosphere even with modern filters. Personally I like the idea of
waste-to-energy incineration if it is done properly of course there are
by-products like flue-gases and ash. Plastics etc should not end up in
landfill and organic landfill is a large source of methane (of course
this can and is captured for energy production)
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors
Just not true
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Really. WOW so you're against dumping our waste products, like GHGs,
into the environment
Who does this "dumping",
You when you drive your car,use a bus, turn on the power and industry.
And your point, this is not dumping
It is dumping pollutants into the air as much as your claim of dumping
all our plastic recycling exports into the Amazon
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
this is money why would companies dump money
Post by Petzl
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors Just not true.
You're a scientific luddite whacko
Get paid a lot of money for what I do.
Centerlink payments aren't that high but probably adequate compensation
for your sitting around on your arse posting fantasies and lies to Usenet
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
I support high temperature incinerators for burning waste as the best
option, they run on natural gas and generate a lot of electricity
plus flue gases, I hope those scrubbers work and that the ash is not to
polluted
No ash left to be scrubbed,
So all the burnt material goes up the flue or are you saying burning
plastics and other rubbish at high temps makes it all disappear?
Post by Petzl
they do have scrubbers though, more for pH
control of the flue gas
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Not hard to find on youtube
http://youtu.be/wVnMBGXVVUI
Every bit of water on earth, rain, oceans rivers, your blood, now
contain plastic. Every human has plastic in their blood.
Human stool samples now are getting a result for measurable amounts!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-microplastics/microplastics-turning-up-in-human-stool-idUSKCN1VN23O
https://is.gd/ydYFxX
Look what happens when we dump our waste products, like GHGs,into the
environment
Just not happening, into atmosphere.
Of course it is. Are you totally unattached from reality?
Plastic as it gets ground up to micro-plastic, is carried into
atmosphere with water vapour.
Stay on track, you claimed GHG don't go into the atmosphere
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Plastic trash is solid very slow to break down, best to use
intelligent high temperature incinerators
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/how-would-burning-rubbish-like-sweden-work-in-australia/10115694?fbclid=IwAR0p7Ckf9XS2NN00h_bEL4m7ljZj-LzTpVqErc3VDw2Jx5StSuldGKDNcM8
https://is.gd/cDNuIu
You seemed to have snipped mu comments about this. Why?
You are dreaming?
Petzl
2020-02-07 03:06:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Botany ORICA, helped built two there, first was a non-air-breather
plants are always sent in kit set form then assembled by the
manufacturers engineers.
Was this when you were a fire-fighter in the petrochemical industry. I
All petrochemical places I have worked with required being sent away
for fire training, last time sent to Brisbane by Orica, Also had to
train as to report ignition sources.
So you are as well trained as my wife who is the 'fire person' at her
school. Not really a fire-fighter are you.
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
What is a 500 psi hose?
pounds per square inch a fire hose that has at least a team of 8
firemen each side of hose walking in coordination, forward, backward,
sideways
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
thought that ORICO's HCB's were stored at Botany and shipped to Finland
for incineration.
Haven't been there for years but they trying to get Finland to dispose
of waste HCB don't know if it eventuated they had tried before but
were turned down at last minute
Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
So ORICO doesn't actually have high temperature incinerators for getting
rid of commercial/polluting waste at Botany does it.
Have a number, used as part of a chemical process so does not get
the/a name "high temperature incinerator"
Bullshit that they have "high temperature incinerator"s that you claimed
to have helped build.
Exactly the same the Air breather called a thermal oxidizer, but
Sweden, and other counties call it a "high temperature incinerator"
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.
In Europe where is lot of waste-to-energy incineration there are major
concerns that the flue gases release pollutants like dioxins into the
atmosphere even with modern filters. Personally I like the idea of
waste-to-energy incineration if it is done properly of course there are
by-products like flue-gases and ash. Plastics etc should not end up in
landfill and organic landfill is a large source of methane (of course
this can and is captured for energy production)
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors
Just not true
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Really. WOW so you're against dumping our waste products, like GHGs,
into the environment
Who does this "dumping",
You when you drive your car,use a bus, turn on the power and industry.
And your point, this is not dumping
It is dumping pollutants into the air as much as your claim of dumping
all our plastic recycling exports into the Amazon
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
this is money why would companies dump money
Post by Petzl
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors Just not true.
You're a scientific luddite whacko
Get paid a lot of money for what I do.
Centerlink payments aren't that high but probably adequate compensation
for your sitting around on your arse posting fantasies and lies to Usenet
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
I support high temperature incinerators for burning waste as the best
option, they run on natural gas and generate a lot of electricity
plus flue gases, I hope those scrubbers work and that the ash is not to
polluted
No ash left to be scrubbed,
So all the burnt material goes up the flue or are you saying burning
plastics and other rubbish at high temps makes it all disappear?
Vaporized into CO2
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
they do have scrubbers though, more for pH
control of the flue gas
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Not hard to find on youtube
http://youtu.be/wVnMBGXVVUI
Every bit of water on earth, rain, oceans rivers, your blood, now
contain plastic. Every human has plastic in their blood.
Human stool samples now are getting a result for measurable amounts!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-microplastics/microplastics-turning-up-in-human-stool-idUSKCN1VN23O
https://is.gd/ydYFxX
Look what happens when we dump our waste products, like GHGs,into the
environment
Just not happening, into atmosphere.
Of course it is. Are you totally unattached from reality?
Plastic as it gets ground up to micro-plastic, is carried into
atmosphere with water vapour.
Stay on track, you claimed GHG don't go into the atmosphere
CO2 is not a CHG. Just lefties and oil producing politicians have
found a way for idiots to pay their bank accounts trillions of dollars
Al Gore and George Soros
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Plastic trash is solid very slow to break down, best to use
intelligent high temperature incinerators
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/how-would-burning-rubbish-like-sweden-work-in-australia/10115694?fbclid=IwAR0p7Ckf9XS2NN00h_bEL4m7ljZj-LzTpVqErc3VDw2Jx5StSuldGKDNcM8
https://is.gd/cDNuIu
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within
Dechucka
2020-02-07 04:23:07 UTC
Permalink
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
What is a 500 psi hose?
pounds per square inch a fire hose that has at least a team of 8
firemen each side of hose walking in coordination, forward, backward,
sideways
Wrong pez 500 psi is the pressure coming out of the nozzle attached to
the branch which is attached to the hose. You can run a decent garden
hose at 500psi, we can run our 19ml live reals at 500psi.
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
thought that ORICO's HCB's were stored at Botany and shipped to Finland
for incineration.
Haven't been there for years but they trying to get Finland to dispose
of waste HCB don't know if it eventuated they had tried before but
were turned down at last minute
Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
So ORICO doesn't actually have high temperature incinerators for getting
rid of commercial/polluting waste at Botany does it.
Have a number, used as part of a chemical process so does not get
the/a name "high temperature incinerator"
Bullshit that they have "high temperature incinerator"s that you claimed
to have helped build.
Exactly the same the Air breather called a thermal oxidizer,
not an incinerator destroying plastics and other waste but a scrubber
for air pollution control in chemical plants.
Post by Petzl
but
Sweden, and other counties call it a "high temperature incinerator"
They do not have high temperature incinerators for getting rid of
commercial/polluting waste at Botany as you claimed to have installed.
You have been caught lying again
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.
In Europe where is lot of waste-to-energy incineration there are major
concerns that the flue gases release pollutants like dioxins into the
atmosphere even with modern filters. Personally I like the idea of
waste-to-energy incineration if it is done properly of course there are
by-products like flue-gases and ash. Plastics etc should not end up in
landfill and organic landfill is a large source of methane (of course
this can and is captured for energy production)
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors
Just not true
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Really. WOW so you're against dumping our waste products, like GHGs,
into the environment
Who does this "dumping",
You when you drive your car,use a bus, turn on the power and industry.
And your point, this is not dumping
It is dumping pollutants into the air as much as your claim of dumping
all our plastic recycling exports into the Amazon
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
this is money why would companies dump money
Post by Petzl
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors Just not true.
You're a scientific luddite whacko
Get paid a lot of money for what I do.
Centerlink payments aren't that high but probably adequate compensation
for your sitting around on your arse posting fantasies and lies to Usenet
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
I support high temperature incinerators for burning waste as the best
option, they run on natural gas and generate a lot of electricity
plus flue gases, I hope those scrubbers work and that the ash is not to
polluted
No ash left to be scrubbed,
So all the burnt material goes up the flue or are you saying burning
plastics and other rubbish at high temps makes it all disappear?
Vaporized into CO2
So all the atoms in plastics and other waste are turned into CO2 Your
chemistry is out of this world and a new science.
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Stay on track, you claimed GHG don't go into the atmosphere
CO2 is not a CHG.
Joseph Fourier showed it was in the 1820s, if it wasn't we'd freeze to
death.
jonz
2020-02-07 04:56:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
What is a 500 psi hose?
pounds per square inch a fire hose that has at least a team of 8
firemen each side of hose walking in coordination, forward, backward,
sideways
Wrong pez 500 psi is the pressure coming out of the nozzle attached to
the branch which is attached to the hose. You can run a decent garden
hose at 500psi,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not thru a domestic system you won`t.. Max. pressure is 500 kpa...(72.5 psi)

we can run our 19ml live reals at 500psi.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
thought that ORICO's HCB's were stored at Botany and shipped to Finland
for incineration.
Haven't been there for years but they trying to get Finland to dispose
of waste HCB don't know if it eventuated they had tried before but
were turned down at last minute
Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
So ORICO doesn't actually have high temperature incinerators for getting
rid of commercial/polluting waste at Botany does it.
Have a number, used as part of a chemical process so does not get
the/a name "high temperature incinerator"
Bullshit that they have "high temperature incinerator"s that you claimed
to have helped build.
Exactly the same the Air breather called a thermal oxidizer,
not an incinerator destroying plastics and other waste but a scrubber
for air pollution control in chemical plants.
Post by Petzl
but
Sweden, and other counties call it a "high temperature incinerator"
They do not have high temperature incinerators for getting rid of
commercial/polluting waste at Botany as you claimed to have installed.
You have been caught lying again
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Presently our plastic waste is exported to countries like Brazil,
Malaysia, China, etc, Ships after delivering cargo to Australia are
desperate for cargo and do it cheap.
In Europe where is lot of waste-to-energy incineration there are major
concerns that the flue gases release pollutants like dioxins into the
atmosphere even with modern filters. Personally I like the idea of
waste-to-energy incineration if it is done properly of course there are
by-products like flue-gases and ash. Plastics etc should not end up in
landfill and organic landfill is a large source of methane (of course
this can and is captured for energy production)
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors
Just not true
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
When the ship arrives in say Brazil the rubbish is put in trucks and
dumped in the Amazon, in China dumped in the yellow river and so-on.
Really. WOW so you're against dumping our waste products, like GHGs,
into the environment
Who does this "dumping",
You when you drive your car,use a bus, turn on the power and industry.
And your point, this is not dumping
It is dumping pollutants into the air as much as your claim of dumping
all our plastic recycling exports into the Amazon
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
this is money why would companies dump money
Post by Petzl
Reports are from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors Just not true.
You're a scientific luddite whacko
Get paid a lot of money for what I do.
Centerlink payments aren't that high but probably adequate compensation
for your sitting around on your arse posting fantasies and lies to Usenet
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
I support high temperature incinerators for burning waste as the best
option, they run on natural gas and generate a lot of electricity
plus flue gases, I hope those scrubbers work and that the ash is not to
polluted
No ash left to be scrubbed,
So all the burnt material goes up the flue or are you saying burning
plastics and other rubbish at high temps makes it all disappear?
Vaporized into CO2
So all the atoms in plastics and other waste are turned into CO2 Your
chemistry is out of this world and a new science.
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Stay on track, you claimed GHG don't go into the atmosphere
CO2 is not a CHG.
Joseph Fourier showed it was in the 1820s, if it wasn't we'd freeze to
death.
Dechucka
2020-02-07 05:57:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by jonz
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
What is a 500 psi hose?
pounds per square inch a fire hose that has at least a team of 8
firemen each side of hose walking in coordination, forward, backward,
sideways
Wrong pez 500 psi is the pressure coming out of the nozzle attached to
the branch which is attached to the hose. You can run a decent garden
hose at 500psi,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not thru a domestic system you won`t..
Max. pressure is 500 kpa...(72.5 psi)
When I lived in Sydney we had mains pressure of 68m of head way above
the average 52 that your referring to that was about 95psi which caused
all sorts of problems. Anyhow you can run 500psi through a good garden hose.
Petzl
2020-02-07 07:52:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by jonz
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
What is a 500 psi hose?
pounds per square inch a fire hose that has at least a team of 8
firemen each side of hose walking in coordination, forward, backward,
sideways
Wrong pez 500 psi is the pressure coming out of the nozzle attached to
the branch which is attached to the hose. You can run a decent garden
hose at 500psi,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not thru a domestic system you won`t..
Max. pressure is 500 kpa...(72.5 psi)
When I lived in Sydney we had mains pressure of 68m of head way above
the average 52 that your referring to that was about 95psi which caused
all sorts of problems. Anyhow you can run 500psi through a good garden hose.
Petrochemical plants have dedicated high pressure, high volume fire
fighting mains.

These also connect to deluge systems, but still rely on fire fighters
like me to attack the blaze and save lives.
One person cannot hold the hose alone at full volume without being
killed!
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within
Ördög
2020-02-07 08:20:57 UTC
Permalink
Petz

/snip fantasies/
... fire fighters like me ...
YAWN! I thought lying was a sin according to your sky fairy's
commandments!
--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, B.J. Foster Lion's farts, Mad Ned Latham,
the Little Jonzie Howard troll in his current reincarnation, that
septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb and randomly blown-in
Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>
Dechucka
2020-02-07 08:32:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by jonz
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
What is a 500 psi hose?
pounds per square inch a fire hose that has at least a team of 8
firemen each side of hose walking in coordination, forward, backward,
sideways
Wrong pez 500 psi is the pressure coming out of the nozzle attached to
the branch which is attached to the hose. You can run a decent garden
hose at 500psi,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not thru a domestic system you won`t..
Max. pressure is 500 kpa...(72.5 psi)
When I lived in Sydney we had mains pressure of 68m of head way above
the average 52 that your referring to that was about 95psi which caused
all sorts of problems. Anyhow you can run 500psi through a good garden hose.
Petrochemical plants have dedicated high pressure,
and your point is what? That you know fuck-all about fire-fighting?. The
pressure you get out of a hose is dependent on the pump.
Post by Petzl
high volume fire
fighting mains.
The gives you increased water not pressure.
Post by Petzl
These also connect to deluge systems but still rely on fire fighters > like me to attack the blaze and save lives.
I believe you have been a petrochemical firefighter as much as I believe
you built the none existent Orico high temperature commercial rubbish
incinerators, that you have a tank/grenade/machine gun/secret direct
line to ASIO and your any of your other wet-brain induced fantasies
Post by Petzl
One person cannot hold the hose alone at full volume without being
killed!
True of our 65mm and 35mm hoses at high pressure normally 300 psi when
using a standard branch but so what hoses are defined by size. BTW we
nearly always use a variable control branch as we don't waste water
Bob
2020-02-09 03:16:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
S?e can work with the team of firemen that hold a 500 psi fire hose
and move it into the flames?
What is a 500 psi hose?
pounds per square inch a fire hose that has at least a team of 8
firemen each side of hose walking in coordination, forward, backward,
sideways
Wrong pez 500 psi is the pressure coming out of the nozzle attached to
the branch which is attached to the hose. You can run a decent garden
hose at 500psi, we can run our 19ml live reals at 500psi.
kpa

news18
2020-02-06 02:55:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
In Campbelltown Labor MP Greg Warren has complained about a
proposed high temperature waste incinerator, that is to be state
of art modern millennium technology, world best practice, that's
nowhere near Campbelltown.
Actually near Sydney's demographic Centre "Eastern Creek"
Two words widdle pretzel; prevailing winds.
Hint, the BoM shows current and historical data.
Funny how everything else in Sydney is attached to Sydney Cove, but
is to be located in the "demographic core"; did they have to include
the Blue Mountains to move it that far west? It should be located on
South Head
High Temperature incineration is a good way to go to dispose of plastic,
there are no "smokestacks" no smell
Err, they do have an exhaust/smokestack stack, but the feeble mind do
not see it as such as it not suppossed to be smoky.
There will alwas be toxic waste as their is always incomplete
combustion unless they force feed it pure oxygen, which just reduces
the visible carbon, aka smoke. There are are however toxic compounds
produced as none of the waster is ever pure. it could be as simple as
the toxic dyes in the printing ink on all the paper/boxes/etc they
burn. not, you can not have a high temperature incinerator with out
good dry fuel, like paper, which ideally should be recycled.
you are a idiot that knows absolutely NOTHING
Yep my "ignorant replies vex you greatly as you recognise the truth.
Perhaps a bex and a lie down may assist your internal equilibrium.
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.
The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006 and all stack
emissions are continuously monitored second by second, by a very
expensive accurate stack gas analyzer, which gives that information to
the State Environment protection agency. Every day Lab samples are taken
to confirm the analyzers accuracy No smoke ever comes from stack/flu
Yawn, they've been saying similar bilge about nuclear power for decades.
Hint, you can find copious news articles about malfunction waste
incinerators on line.
Petzl
2020-02-06 20:01:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.
The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006 and all stack
emissions are continuously monitored second by second, by a very
expensive accurate stack gas analyzer, which gives that information to
the State Environment protection agency. Every day Lab samples are taken
to confirm the analyzers accuracy No smoke ever comes from stack/flu
Yawn, they've been saying similar bilge about nuclear power for decades.
Hint, you can find copious news articles about malfunction waste
incinerators on line.
The modern computer operated ones (all made in this millennium) don't,
all detect predicict problems and shut down safetly.

Same for modern nuclear power that ANSTO don't have anything to do
with are safe.
--
Petzl
Mark Latham has seen the light
Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Dechucka
2020-02-06 20:11:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.
The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006 and all stack
emissions are continuously monitored second by second, by a very
expensive accurate stack gas analyzer, which gives that information to
the State Environment protection agency. Every day Lab samples are taken
to confirm the analyzers accuracy No smoke ever comes from stack/flu
Yawn, they've been saying similar bilge about nuclear power for decades.
Hint, you can find copious news articles about malfunction waste
incinerators on line.
The modern computer operated ones (all made in this millennium)
If they were made at the beginning of this millennium I'd say they are
quite old.
Post by Petzl
don't,
all detect predicict problems and shut down safetly.
That makes no sense
Post by Petzl
Same for modern nuclear power that ANSTO don't have anything to do
with are safe.
Unfortunately they create waste and leave a very expensive legacy when
decommissioned
Petzl
2020-02-06 20:52:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
Post by news18
Post by Petzl
One of my fields is high temperature incineration, both types,
air-breathing and non-air-breathing the air-breather type will have a
stack but no smoke will ever come from it.
If it is correctly operated.
Run and monitored by computer, they are bought from people/companies
that have identical ones operating all over the world, They have 100%
compliance record. They even send the construction team to build it.
The last one (Air-breather) I helped build was in 2006 and all stack
emissions are continuously monitored second by second, by a very
expensive accurate stack gas analyzer, which gives that information to
the State Environment protection agency. Every day Lab samples are taken
to confirm the analyzers accuracy No smoke ever comes from stack/flu
Yawn, they've been saying similar bilge about nuclear power for decades.
Hint, you can find copious news articles about malfunction waste
incinerators on line.
The modern computer operated ones (all made in this millennium)
If they were made at the beginning of this millennium I'd say they are
quite old.
They are maintained and Manufacturers supply updates
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
don't,
all detect predicict problems and shut down safetly.
That makes no sense
It does if the computer starts noting conditions changing, it shuts
down
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Same for modern nuclear power that ANSTO don't have anything to do
with are safe.
Unfortunately they create waste and leave a very expensive legacy when
decommissioned
Yes better to use Australian black coal in modern power plants
--
Petzl
Mark Latham has seen the light
Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Dechucka
2020-02-06 21:05:53 UTC
Permalink
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
The modern computer operated ones (all made in this millennium)
If they were made at the beginning of this millennium I'd say they are
quite old.
They are maintained and Manufacturers supply updates
Like that HTI in Scotland?
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
don't,
all detect predicict problems and shut down safetly.
That makes no sense
It does if the computer starts noting conditions changing, it shuts
down
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Same for modern nuclear power that ANSTO don't have anything to do
with are safe.
Unfortunately they create waste and leave a very expensive legacy when
decommissioned
Yes better to use Australian black coal in modern power plants
Which create waste and leave a very expensive legacy when decommissioned
Petzl
2020-02-06 22:19:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
The modern computer operated ones (all made in this millennium)
If they were made at the beginning of this millennium I'd say they are
quite old.
They are maintained and Manufacturers supply updates
Like that HTI in Scotland?
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
don't,
all detect predicict problems and shut down safetly.
That makes no sense
It does if the computer starts noting conditions changing, it shuts
down
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Same for modern nuclear power that ANSTO don't have anything to do
with are safe.
Unfortunately they create waste and leave a very expensive legacy when
decommissioned
Yes better to use Australian black coal in modern power plants
Which create waste and leave a very expensive legacy when decommissioned
More looney tunes advice/Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king
Witches"
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within
Dechucka
2020-02-06 22:44:42 UTC
Permalink
snip
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Yes better to use Australian black coal in modern power plants
Which create waste and leave a very expensive legacy when decommissioned
More looney tunes advice/Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king
Witches"
WTF are "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches" "?
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
Is this your new 'denial of reality' mantra?
Petzl
2020-02-07 03:10:44 UTC
Permalink
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Yes better to use Australian black coal in modern power plants
Which create waste and leave a very expensive legacy when decommissioned
More looney tunes advice/Reports from "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king
Witches"
WTF are "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches" "?
https://www.riteon.org.au/sleeping-giants-mad-fking-witches/
https://is.gd/JcLhFV
Sleeping Giants claim to have 197,000 Twitter and 59,000 Facebook
followers worldwide. Rivitz urges businesses to stop advertising on
any conservative media platforms or outlets that espouse free speech
and could make comments that progressives would disagree with. He
argues “advertiser boycotts aren’t about free speech
Post by Petzl
Leftie keyboard warriors stopped them doing so.
Is this your new 'denial of reality' mantra?
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within
Dechucka
2020-02-07 04:05:02 UTC
Permalink
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
WTF are "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches" "?
https://www.riteon.org.au/sleeping-giants-mad-fking-witches/
https://is.gd/JcLhFV
riteon.org? You really do come up with some strange websites
Post by Petzl
Sleeping Giants claim to have 197,000 Twitter and 59,000 Facebook
followers worldwide.
OK so they're nothing to do with anything being discussed ie the cost of
decommissioning coal-fired power stations
Petzl
2020-02-07 07:58:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
WTF are "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches" "?
https://www.riteon.org.au/sleeping-giants-mad-fking-witches/
https://is.gd/JcLhFV
riteon.org? You really do come up with some strange websites
Post by Petzl
Sleeping Giants claim to have 197,000 Twitter and 59,000 Facebook
followers worldwide.
OK so they're nothing to do with anything being discussed ie the cost of
decommissioning coal-fired power stations
If you read the truth which you won't because:
"Our media" has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is
no murder in a communist paradise. "Our media's" job is to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of anything different
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
Ördög
2020-02-07 08:16:46 UTC
Permalink
Petz

/snip/
Post by Petzl
"Our media" has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease
When was that declared, by whom exactly and in which context????

Are you sure it wasn't just those strange voices in your head, Petz dear?

/utter idiocy snipped/
Post by Petzl
"It cannot be overstated, ...
... that Petz is a habitual liar and the ultimate village idiot of
aus.politics.

--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, B.J. Foster Lion's farts, Mad Ned Latham,
the Little Jonzie Howard troll in his current reincarnation, that
septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb and randomly blown-in
Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>
Dechucka
2020-02-07 08:37:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
WTF are "Sleeping Giants – Mad F**king Witches" "?
https://www.riteon.org.au/sleeping-giants-mad-fking-witches/
https://is.gd/JcLhFV
riteon.org? You really do come up with some strange websites
Post by Petzl
Sleeping Giants claim to have 197,000 Twitter and 59,000 Facebook
followers worldwide.
OK so they're nothing to do with anything being discussed ie the cost of
decommissioning coal-fired power stations
"Our media" has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is
no murder in a communist paradise. "Our media's" job is to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of anything different
OK it's been a good goon-bag day for you. That has fuck-all to do with
the topic under discussion or you posting from a strange neo-con climate
denialist website
Ördög
2020-02-05 10:09:06 UTC
Permalink
Petz

/snip/
One of my fields is high temperature ...
...brain farts.

Your other fields are driving your tank, playing with your machine guns,
your grenades, your bat phone to ASIO HQ, opening and quickly emptying
goon bags and as a result posting absurd shit to Usenet.
The sheer number of bushfires that have ...
...NOT ...
been intentionally lit this year in Australia is off the charts.
It does suggest a coordinated ..."deus ex machina"
NEXT!

--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, B.J. Foster Lion's farts, Mad Ned Latham,
the Little Jonzie Howard troll in his current reincarnation, that
septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb and randomly blown-in
Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>
Loading...