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Cardinal George Pell will face trial on homosex-offense charges
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Leroy N. Soetoro
2018-05-02 19:56:47 UTC
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SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.

After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.

Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.

After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.

She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.

Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.

“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”

A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.

“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.

Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.

But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.

A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.

Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.

“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.

During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.

On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.

As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
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MattB
2018-05-03 18:19:18 UTC
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on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Patrick B
2018-05-03 18:42:30 UTC
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
MattB
2018-05-03 19:16:46 UTC
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on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
Patrick B
2018-05-03 21:35:52 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
R☼d
2018-05-03 23:14:30 UTC
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on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
I think so as well. It looks like a few scammers trying
to jump on the money train.
Patrick B
2018-05-04 12:15:54 UTC
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
I think so as well. It looks like a few scammers trying
to jump on the money train.
And I am really surprised that a bunch of "me-too's" haven't seen the
lawyers for their piece of the pie.
MattB
2018-05-04 04:29:51 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.


1 John 4:1

4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.

Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Patrick B
2018-05-04 12:21:09 UTC
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Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
As I said earlier:
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.

I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.

My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
MattB
2018-05-04 18:53:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
Maybe people should call Melissa and Christopher and ask them about
you Patrick. 8536
Patrick B
2018-05-04 20:20:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is te "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
Maybe people should call Melissa and Christopher and ask them about
you Patrick. 8536
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
MattB
2018-05-04 20:32:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
In post Message-ID: <***@4ax.com> you
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Post by Patrick B
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is te "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
So you just stalk me?
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
Maybe people should call Melissa and Christopher and ask them about
you Patrick. 8536
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Maybe you are just defending yourself and your past actions?
Patrick B
2018-05-04 22:11:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by MattB
Patrick Barker did indeed try prophesying. So you were being
deceitful?
Quote me.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Why do you lie?
Just today you claimed I have or do work for Walmart and yet have in
the Past said it was Target or a cop. Yet none are true you lie to
defend pedophiles.
Where is the lie?
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
That the best you have? How sad you need to defend pedophiles,
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is te "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
So you just stalk me?
I answer your questions.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Maybe you are just defending yourself and your past actions?
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.

R☼d
2018-05-04 21:55:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
So your gift is prophesying.
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
You claim to be a prophet
I do?
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
and yet you have been caught lying and using
deception on these NGs? Is that what you think of Jesus? Do you
believe he lied for effect?
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit,
That is one of the reasons no one believes you, matty.
Good quote.
I do not have such a gift and unlike you have never claimed it.
Why do you lie?
God gave me many precious gifts.
Besides my wife, family, career, he gave me excellent common sense and
an intellect to know how to use it. It has served me well. And that
is why I thank God every single day.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven
Another great quote.
Thanks.
I guess you can teach and serve others.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me. To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
Another gift of my common sense lets me know you are whining again,
looking for some excuse to bash a Catholic.
I do not consider a Catholic any better than a scientologist, I go by
their actions not their Church.
And you want applause for this idea?
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
I don't need defending, my dad passed away over a decade ago and
didn't need defending. Patrick Barker you are a Pedo defender as your
deception and lies in doing so prove.
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
My statement was that I do not believe there will be enough proof to
send a long standing bishop to prison. Most everyone knows this.
Too bad you don't have a lick of common sense.
Did Rod use a new set of terms for you LOL.
Huh?
I don't read all of rod's posts.
I never know if it is the "good" rod, or the "bad" rod.
Lol!
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Of course God says it is a sin.
That is why you and yer dad are doomed.
Maybe people should call Melissa and Christopher and ask them about
you Patrick. 8536
I do not defend you, your dad, or any pedophile.
R☼d
2018-05-04 17:29:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.

So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.


Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.

The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

1 Ti 5:19

1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.

2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.

Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
MattB
2018-05-04 18:49:06 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
Patrick B
2018-05-04 20:22:52 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
Stop trolling.
MattB
2018-05-04 20:37:51 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles
Stop trolling.
That what the kids say about you Patrick. Then they run.
R☼d
2018-05-04 21:19:29 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
Post by Patrick B
Post by MattB
On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cardinal-george-pell-will-face-trial-
on-historical-sex-offense-charges/2018/05/01/76adb5a8-4cf1-11e8-af46-
b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31066951ae48
SYDNEY — Cardinal George Pell was ordered by an Australian magistrate to
face trial over sexual abuse allegations, a decision that may make him the
most senior Roman Catholic prelate to be forced to defend himself in court
over a scandal that has swept through Catholic communities around the
world.
After being told in a courtroom that he would face trial, Pell was asked
how he pleaded. “Not guilty,” the 76-year-old answered in a firm, loud
voice, according to reporters present.
Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia to become
archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney. Five years ago, he was appointed one
of eight cardinals by Pope Francis to work out how to overhaul the
administrative structures of the church, which are known as the Roman
curia. The following year he was placed in charge of the Vatican’s
economic affairs. He has taken a leave of absence for the court case.
After a month-long pretrial hearing in which Pell was defended by one of
Australia’s top criminal lawyers, the magistrate, Belinda Wallington,
dismissed some of the more serious assault charges made against Pell by
the Victoria state police force.
She ruled that other charges would go ahead: that Pell groped two boys’
genitals at a swimming pool in the regional city of Ballarat in the 1970s,
where he was born, and ordained in 1966; and assaulted two choristers at
Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the city’s archbishop in
the 1990s.
Because the allegations concern offenses against children, most of the
details have been legally suppressed and the court was closed to the
public during part of the pretrial hearing.
“Cardinal George Pell has at all times fully cooperated with Victoria
Police and always and steadfastly maintained his innocence,” a statement
from his lawyers said. “He has voluntarily returned to Australia to meet
these accusations. He will defend the remaining charges.”
A conviction is far from certain. Pell’s lawyers are likely to seek to
undermine prosecution witnesses. The long time it took for the cases to
reach court could work in Pell’s favor by dimming the memory of those
called to give evidence.
“These are very difficult matters for everyone involved and no one is
going to be popping champagne corks over this,” Louise Milligan, an
investigative journalist and witness in the case whose reporting uncovered
some of Pell’s accusers, said in a telephone interview.
Pell has apologized for the pain inflicted upon the church’s victims, and
church officials say he became the first Catholic bishop, in 1996, to
institute a formal restitution program.
But his patrician manner and perceived lack of empathy toward victims
under his watch made Pell the focus of much anger in the disgruntled
Catholic community.
A five-year national judicial inquiry into institutional sexual abuse that
concluded last year received more complaints about the Catholic Church
than any other organization. Ballarat was a hot spot of abuse: 140 people
told the inquiry they were abused there between 1980 and 2015.
Those who complained usually received a dismissive response. Church
leaders settled allegations in favor of the priests, or moved them to
another district where several were able to continue abusing children, the
inquiry found.
“This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the
Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over
decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its
priests,” the inquiry said last December.
During the pretrial hearing, Pell’s lawyer challenged the reliability of
witnesses’ memories and their psychological states. At one point, the
lawyer, Robert Richter, accused the magistrate of bias and asked her to
step down from the case. She declined.
On Tuesday, the hearing’s final day, the courtroom was packed with victim
advocates, Pell’s supporters and journalists. After the magistrate read
the judgment and left the room, there was clapping from the public section
of the court.
As Pell walked from the building on bail, through a phalanx of police
officers there to protect him, he was jeered.
Jeer him? He will excommunicate them all.
Why would he do that?
Why would the Cardinal in any way shape or form aid Pedophiles of help
in a cover up? Cardinal is evil or insane.
If he is guilty...
However, I have said for a few years now that Pell will not spend a
day in prison. I still stand by that claim. There will be no real
proof offered.
So your gift is prophesying.
1 John 4:1
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone
out into the world.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your
name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 5:24. Those who have accepted Jesus the Christ and His words
and believed on the Father that sent Him have already passed from
death to life and will NOT come into condemnation.
So what is the will of God? The entire scriptures tell you what the
will of God is, and it begins with accepting Jesus Christ as savior.
True and then Churches dissect the Bible take it out of Context and
make up more rules, rules that require a Church, Purgatory is a
example.
Post by R☼d
Patrick and Duke are two of those that have already passed from death
to life because they accepted Jesus and believe on the Father that
sent Him.
If you say so and yet they defend pedophiles so guess you are saying
pedophile Priest are good as they "have accepted Jesus and believe on
the Father that sent Him." Please do not tell me you believe just
because someone has "accepted Jesus" they can abuse children?
Post by R☼d
The word of God is absolute. Men over the years have tried to monkey
with it and got no where.
God's word is not limited to a book and God would not be limited by
the understanding of men of the times.
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
That you would be prophesying in the defense of Pedophilia along with
others is not a surprise to me.
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
1 Ti 5:19
1Pe_3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but
contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may
inherit a blessing.
2Pe_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, bring
not against themselves a railing judgment.
Jud_1:9  When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended
about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of
railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
Post by MattB
To you and those like you I say Away
from me, you evildoers!’.
2Peter_2:11  Whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power,
bring not against themselves a railing judgment.
Post by MattB
Pedophilia is not a sin to you and those that support you, and yet I
believe to God it is a Sin.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Yet you seem to support Patrick's lies here?? That would make you to
God what?
\
What part of "thou shalt not bear false witness" do you not understand?

Matt, it would be the same thing as me accusing you of murder
and condemning you for it without having evidence of your guilt!

Why is it that you don't understand this?
Patrick B
2018-05-04 20:21:30 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Cardinal Pell has not been convicted, and therefore Patrick is not
defending a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt, Matt.
Pedophilia is a sin, but so is calling someone a pedophile
before you have evidence of guilt, because if you are wrong
then you have borne false witness.
Simple, but elegant.
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