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The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
by Lawrence Britt
Spring 2003
Free Inquiry magazine
Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article
about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page
20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini
(Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile),
Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these
the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in
accordance with the magazine's policy.
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes,
slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen
everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in
fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in
certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other
way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations,
long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need
to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or
religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists,
etc.
Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is
given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the
domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are
glamorized.
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively
male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and
anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in
other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government
regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.
Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion
in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious
rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when
the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the
government's policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are
the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a
mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a
fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or
are severely suppressed .
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher
education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the
arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the
arts.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to
enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses
and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is
often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in
fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and
associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
governmental power and authority to protect their friends from
accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national
resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright
stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other
times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control
voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of
the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to
manipulate or control elections.
Copyright © 2003 Free Inquiry magazine
Reprinted for Fair Use Only.
t***@gmail.com
2005-07-25 00:16:26 UTC
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The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/The_14_characteristics_030303.htm
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
by Lawrence Britt
Spring 2003
Free Inquiry magazine
Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article
about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page
20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini
(Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile),
Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these
the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in
accordance with the magazine's policy.
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes,
slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen
everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in
fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in
certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other
way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations,
long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need
to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or
religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists,
etc.
Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is
given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the
domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are
glamorized.
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively
male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and
anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in
other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government
regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.
Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion
in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious
rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when
the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the
government's policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are
the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a
mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a
fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or
are severely suppressed .
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher
education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the
arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the
arts.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to
enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses
and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is
often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in
fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and
associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
governmental power and authority to protect their friends from
accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national
resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright
stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other
times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control
voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of
the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to
manipulate or control elections.
Copyright © 2003 Free Inquiry magazine
Reprinted for Fair Use Only.
"- Prof. Jonez©"
2005-07-25 02:49:38 UTC
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The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!

The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.

Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
Post by t***@gmail.com
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/The_14_characteristics_030303.htm
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
by Lawrence Britt
Spring 2003
Free Inquiry magazine
Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article
about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page
20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini
(Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet
(Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He
calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The
excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes,
slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen
everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public
displays.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people
in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored
in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the
other way or even approve of torture, summary executions,
assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the
need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial ,
ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists,
terrorists, etc.
Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is
given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the
domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are
glamorized.
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively
male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles
are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is
homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but
in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government
regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.
Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common
religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion.
Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government
leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are
diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often
are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a
mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a
fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely,
or are severely suppressed .
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to
higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors
and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free
expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often
refuse to fund the arts.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless
power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook
police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of
patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually
unlimited power in fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends
and associates who appoint each other to government positions and
use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from
accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national
resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright
stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other
times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to
control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and
manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use
their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Copyright © 2003 Free Inquiry magazine
Reprinted for Fair Use Only.
t***@gmail.com
2005-07-25 03:25:58 UTC
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Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.

Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
"- Prof. Jonez©"
2005-07-25 03:33:19 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G "village idiot"
Bu$h
claims ...?
t***@gmail.com
2005-07-25 03:35:40 UTC
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Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G "village idiot"
Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.

Death to Castro!
"- Prof Jonez©"
2005-07-25 03:49:15 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil
Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological
boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Post by t***@gmail.com
Death to Castro!
Let's see ...

Eisenhower - DEAD
Kennedy - DEAD
Johnson - DEAD
Nixon - impeached, DEAD
Ford - 1 term
Carter - 1 term
Reagan - DEAD DEAD DEAD
Bu$h Sr. - 1 term
Clinton - impeached
Bu$h Jr. - huh?

over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!

Now go pound a banana up your ass, chimp.
Deadrat
2005-07-25 04:08:44 UTC
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Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological
boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Post by t***@gmail.com
Death to Castro!
Let's see ...
Eisenhower - DEAD
died 8 years after finishing his second term
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Kennedy - DEAD
assassinated, actually, in his only term
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Johnson - DEAD
forced by public opinion not to seek another term
died 4 years after finishing his second term
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Nixon - impeached, DEAD
resigned to avoid impeachment, but never impeached
died 20 years after resigning
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Ford - 1 term
not even 1, filled out the remainder of Nixon's second;
defeated
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Carter - 1 term
yup.
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Reagan - DEAD DEAD DEAD
died 15 years after completing his second term
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Bu$h Sr. - 1 term
yup.
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Clinton - impeached
yup. Not convicted. Completed his second term.
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Bu$h Jr. - huh?
over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!
Only one impeached. Is survival the sole measure of success?
A peaceful succession is a sign of a successful political system.
A president-for-life is not. What's your point?
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Now go pound a banana up your ass, chimp.
What a funny image. You make me laugh.

Deadrat
Ordog
2005-07-25 07:45:27 UTC
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Deadrat wrote:
<SNIP>
Post by Deadrat
Deadrat
A telling name! Now go back to your country and leave this NG alone.
This group is for Australians. You idiotic presidents could have solved
the Cuba problem fifty years ago if they had any talent in foreign
politics, Castro was/is no better communist than George W. or our own
gnome.

Why do we always have to put up here with US trolls? I am getting sick
of this.

Ordog
t***@gmail.com
2005-07-25 04:20:23 UTC
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Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Quite a bit sharper than you obviously
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!
Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from falling down.
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Now go pound a banana up your ass, chimp.
Well, people in capitalist countries can actually afford to eat
bananas.

Hey, check out beautiful havana!...

http://therealcuba.com/page2.htm

Christ, what a shithole. No wonder people risk drowning to escape that
place....
"- Prof. Jonez©"
2005-07-25 04:33:04 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Quite a bit sharper than you obviously
Brillaint retort.
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!
Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from falling down.
Due to the 40 years of Economic Assassination and Strangulation by
the U$$A's Embargo.
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Now go pound a banana up your ass, chimp.
Well, people in capitalist countries can actually afford to eat
bananas.
Yeah, how fucking quaint, off the blood, suffering and sweat
of those in 3rd world shitholes who are forced to grow
and pick them. Nice analogy, jackass.
Post by t***@gmail.com
Hey, check out beautiful havana!...
http://therealcuba.com/page2.htm
Christ, what a shithole. No wonder people risk drowning to escape that
place....
Don't look any worse than East St. Louis, or Baltimore ... and it's a whole
lot safer than either of those cesspools of "capitalism". LOL!


Proof the U$$A is the "greatest" nation on earth:

Prisoners (per 1,000 people)

United States 4.2
United Kingdom 1.0
Germany 0.8
France 0.8
Austria 0.8
Spain 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
Denmark 0.7
Belgium 0.7
Italy 0.6
Sweden 0.6
Japan 0.4
Netherlands 0.4

Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)

United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7

Death row inmates

United States 2,124
Japan 38
All others 0

Murder rate (per 100,000 people)

United States 8.40
Canada 5.45
Denmark 5.17
France 4.60
Portugal 4.50
Australia 4.48
Germany 4.20
Belgium 2.80
Spain 2.28
Switzerland 2.25
Italy 2.18
Norway 1.99
United Kingdom 1.97
Austria 1.80
Greece 1.76
Sweden 1.73
Japan 1.20
Ireland 0.96
Finland 0.70

Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)

United States 24.4
Canada 2.6
Sweden 2.3
Norway 2.3
Finland 2.3
Denmark 2.2
United Kingdom 2.0
Netherlands 1.2
Germany 0.9
Japan 0.5

Rape (per 100,000 people)

United States 37.20
Sweden 15.70
Denmark 11.23
Germany 8.60
Norway 7.87
United Kingdom 7.26
Finland 7.20
France 6.77
Switzerland 6.15
Luxembourg 5.00
Spain 4.43
Austria 4.40
Belgium 4.00
Greece 2.40
Ireland 1.72
Japan 1.40
Portugal 1.20

Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)

United States 221
Canada 94
France 90
Belgium 66
United Kingdom 63
Italy 50
Sweden 49
Germany 47
Ireland 46
Denmark 44
Finland 38
Switzerland 23
Norway 22
Greece 7
Japan 1

TYPE OF OFFENSE (Sentenced Pop. Only) - Federal Prisoners

Drug Offenses 59.6%
Robbery 9.8%
Property Offenses 5.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6.8%
Violent Offenses 2.7%
Firearms, Explosives, Arson 8.6%
White Collar 1.0%
Immigration 2.8%
Courts or Corrections 0.8%
National Security 0.1%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 0.8%
Miscellaneous 1.5%

THE INTERNATIONAL EVIDENCE

The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well. Although it doesn't have the most police per capita,
the U.S. does have the toughest laws and punishments by far. The question of
which came first, the chicken or the egg, is becoming much less relevant as time
passes; the U.S. has been following this "get tough" approach for decades, with
no significant reduction of its violent crime rate.
t***@gmail.com
2005-07-25 05:00:10 UTC
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Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
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Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Quite a bit sharper than you obviously
Brillaint retort.
Hey, just following your lead, chimpy
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from falling down.
Due to the 40 years of Economic Assassination and Strangulation by
the U$$A's Embargo.
Idiot.

Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?

http://therealcuba.com/two_cubas.htm
http://therealcuba.com/whereistheblockade.htm

How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?

How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to flee his
paradise?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Now go pound a banana up your ass, chimp.
Well, people in capitalist countries can actually afford to eat
bananas.
Yeah, how fucking quaint, off the blood, suffering and sweat
of those in 3rd world shitholes who are forced to grow
and pick them.
No, it's because they can buy food off producers who can export a good
product

You really should learn to think for yourself, dopestick.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Hey, check out beautiful havana!...
http://therealcuba.com/page2.htm
Christ, what a shithole. No wonder people risk drowning to escape that
place....
Don't look any worse than East St. Louis, or Baltimore ... and it's a whole
lot safer than either of those cesspools of "capitalism". LOL!
So, you admit all of Cuba is a filthy shithole, and the average
american has living standards light-years ahead of the average Cuban.

Why exactly do you think Cubans want to emigrate en masse to the USA,
hmmm?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Prisoners (per 1,000 people)
Maybe they shouldn't break the law then.

PS. perhaps you'd like to explain why Castro imprisons political
opponents.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)
United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7
LOL. As opposed to peaceful Cuba, where you can get tortured,
imprisoned and killed for speaking out against the government.

Get mistreated in the USA, you can at least sue.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Death row inmates
United States 2,124
Quite a lot less than the people murdered by Castro without trial.

Geez, not doing too well with the comparisons, are you dumbass?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Murder rate (per 100,000 people)
United States 8.40
Where are the Cuban stats?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)
United States 24.4
Where are the Cuban stats?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Rape (per 100,000 people)
United States 37.20
Where are the Cuban stats?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)
United States 221
On of the downsides to being rich.

There's noone in Cuba to rob.

Now Chimpy, explain why thousands of Cubans risk drowining every year
to escape that wonderful "paradise".
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So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist
as G "village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Quite a bit sharper than you obviously
Brillaint retort.
Hey, just following your lead, chimpy
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Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from falling down.
Due to the 40 years of Economic Assassination and Strangulation by
the U$$A's Embargo.
Idiot.
Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?
For the same reason that 10,000s of children in the U$$A are homeless, go
hungry,
and die from insufficient medical care yet the Pentagon has all the $$ they
need to keep the lawn watered and the flowers blooming.
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How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
Castro doesn't control Guantanamo, that's a U$ concentration camp.
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to flee his
paradise?
Hijacking is a capital offense, even in the U$$A.
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Now go pound a banana up your ass, chimp.
Well, people in capitalist countries can actually afford to eat
bananas.
Yeah, how fucking quaint, off the blood, suffering and sweat
of those in 3rd world shitholes who are forced to grow
and pick them.
No, it's because they can buy food off producers who can export a good
product
A product produced by enslaving and impoverishing 3rd world societies.
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You really should learn to think for yourself, dopestick.
Sez the pig-ignorant jackass.
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Hey, check out beautiful havana!...
http://therealcuba.com/page2.htm
Christ, what a shithole. No wonder people risk drowning to escape
that place....
Don't look any worse than East St. Louis, or Baltimore ... and it's
a whole lot safer than either of those cesspools of "capitalism".
LOL!
So, you admit all of Cuba is a filthy shithole,
Never said that, those are your words moron.
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and the average american has living standards light-years ahead of the average
Cuban.
Not really that far ahead. There are millions of homeless children living on the
streets
and alley of the world tonight, and NOT ONE of them is Cuban.
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Why exactly do you think Cubans want to emigrate en masse to the USA,
hmmm?
Greed.
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Prisoners (per 1,000 people)
Maybe they shouldn't break the law then.
PS. perhaps you'd like to explain why Castro imprisons political
opponents.
Same reason any contry does. Perhaps they shouldn't break
the law then, eh?
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Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)
United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7
LOL. As opposed to peaceful Cuba, where you can get tortured,
imprisoned and killed for speaking out against the government.
Where in the U$A you can get tortured, imprisoned and killed for
just being Black, or Hispanic, whether or not you speak at all.
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Get mistreated in the USA, you can at least sue.
Wow. How old are you, 16?
Dead people can't sue anyone, jackass.
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Death row inmates
United States 2,124
Quite a lot less than the people murdered by Castro without trial.
How many Iraqis has the U$$A murdered without trial?
Hint - 100,000
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Geez, not doing too well with the comparisons, are you dumbass?
No, you're not.
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Murder rate (per 100,000 people)
United States 8.40
Where are the Cuban stats?
So low they didn't even make it in the top 50% of
the list.
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Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)
United States 24.4
Where are the Cuban stats?
So low they didn't even make it in the top 50% of
the list.
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Rape (per 100,000 people)
United States 37.20
Where are the Cuban stats?
So low they didn't even make it in the top 50% of
the list.
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Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)
United States 221
On of the downsides to being rich.
ROTFLMAO!
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There's noone in Cuba to rob.
Never stopped the U$$A from trying.
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Now Chimpy, explain why thousands of Cubans risk drowining every year
to escape that wonderful "paradise".
Same reasons 1000s of Americans expatriate every year from the U$$A, or
from any country.

We speak with John Perkins, a former respected member of the international
banking community. In his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man he describes
how as a highly paid professional, he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries
around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than
they could possibly repay and then take over their economies. [includes rush
transcript]

John Perkins describes himself as a former economic hit man - a highly paid
professional who cheated countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars.
20 years ago Perkins began writing a book with the working title, "Conscience of
an Economic Hit Men."

Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two
countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as
kindred spirits - Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos,
president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not
accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of
corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We
Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type
of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped
in.

John Perkins goes on to write: "I was persuaded to stop writing that book. I
started it four more times during the next twenty years. On each occasion, my
decision to begin again was influenced by current world events: the U.S.
invasion of Panama in 1980, the first Gulf War, Somalia, and the rise of Osama
bin Laden. However, threats or bribes always convinced me to stop."

But now Perkins has finally published his story. The book is titled Confessions
of an Economic Hit Man. John Perkins joins us now in our Firehouse studios.


a.. John Perkins, from 1971 to 1981 he worked for the international consulting
firm of Chas T. Main where he was a self-described "economic hit man." He is the
author of the new book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.
AMY GOODMAN: John Perkins joins us now in our firehouse studio. Welcome to
Democracy Now!

JOHN PERKINS: Thank you, Amy. It's great to be here.

AMY GOODMAN: It's good to have you with us. Okay, explain this term, "economic
hit man," e.h.m., as you call it.

JOHN PERKINS: Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is
to build up the American empire. To bring -- to create situations where as many
resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our
government, and in fact we've been very successful. We've built the largest
empire in the history of the world. It's been done over the last 50 years since
World War II with very little military might, actually. It's only in rare
instances like Iraq where the military comes in as a last resort. This empire,
unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through
economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people
into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of
that.

AMY GOODMAN: How did you become one? Who did you work for?

JOHN PERKINS: Well, I was initially recruited while I was in business school
back in the late sixties by the National Security Agency, the nation's largest
and least understood spy organization; but ultimately I worked for private
corporations. The first real economic hit man was back in the early 1950's,
Kermit Roosevelt, the grandson of Teddy, who overthrew of government of Iran, a
democratically elected government, Mossadegh's government who was Time's
magazine person of the year; and he was so successful at doing this without any
bloodshed -- well, there was a little bloodshed, but no military intervention,
just spending millions of dollars and replaced Mossadegh with the Shah of Iran.
At that point, we understood that this idea of economic hit man was an extremely
good one. We didn't have to worry about the threat of war with Russia when we
did it this way. The problem with that was that Roosevelt was a C.I.A. agent. He
was a government employee. Had he been caught, we would have been in a lot of
trouble. It would have been very embarrassing. So, at that point, the decision
was made to use organizations like the C.I.A. and the N.S.A. to recruit
potential economic hit men like me and then send us to work for private
consulting companies, engineering firms, construction companies, so that if we
were caught, there would be no connection with the government.

AMY GOODMAN: Okay. Explain the company you worked for.

JOHN PERKINS: Well, the company I worked for was a company named Chas. T. Main
in Boston, Massachusetts. We were about 2,000 employees, and I became its chief
economist. I ended up having fifty people working for me. But my real job was
deal-making. It was giving loans to other countries, huge loans, much bigger
than they could possibly repay. One of the conditions of the loan-let's say a $1
billion to a country like Indonesia or Ecuador-and this country would then have
to give ninety percent of that loan back to a U.S. company, or U.S. companies,
to build the infrastructure-a Halliburton or a Bechtel. These were big ones.
Those companies would then go in and build an electrical system or ports or
highways, and these would basically serve just a few of the very wealthiest
families in those countries. The poor people in those countries would be stuck
ultimately with this amazing debt that they couldn't possibly repay. A country
today like Ecuador owes over fifty percent of its national budget just to pay
down its debt. And it really can't do it. So, we literally have them over a
barrel. So, when we want more oil, we go to Ecuador and say, "Look, you're not
able to repay your debts, therefore give our oil companies your Amazon rain
forest, which are filled with oil." And today we're going in and destroying
Amazonian rain forests, forcing Ecuador to give them to us because they've
accumulated all this debt. So we make this big loan, most of it comes back to
the United States, the country is left with the debt plus lots of interest, and
they basically become our servants, our slaves. It's an empire. There's no two
ways about it. It's a huge empire. It's been extremely successful.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to John Perkins, author of Confessions of an Economic
Hit Man. You say because of bribes and other reason you didn't write this book
for a long time. What do you mean? Who tried to bribe you, or who -- what are
the bribes you accepted?

JOHN PERKINS: Well, I accepted a half a million dollar bribe in the nineties not
to write the book.

AMY GOODMAN: From?

JOHN PERKINS: From a major construction engineering company.

AMY GOODMAN: Which one?

JOHN PERKINS: Legally speaking, it wasn't -- Stoner-Webster. Legally speaking it
wasn't a bribe, it was -- I was being paid as a consultant. This is all very
legal. But I essentially did nothing. It was a very understood, as I explained
in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, that it was -- I was -- it was understood
when I accepted this money as a consultant to them I wouldn't have to do much
work, but I mustn't write any books about the subject, which they were aware
that I was in the process of writing this book, which at the time I called
"Conscience of an Economic Hit Man." And I have to tell you, Amy, that, you
know, it's an extraordinary story from the standpoint of -- It's almost James
Bondish, truly, and I mean--

AMY GOODMAN: Well that's certainly how the book reads.

JOHN PERKINS: Yeah, and it was, you know? And when the National Security Agency
recruited me, they put me through a day of lie detector tests. They found out
all my weaknesses and immediately seduced me. They used the strongest drugs in
our culture, sex, power and money, to win me over. I come from a very old New
England family, Calvinist, steeped in amazingly strong moral values. I think I,
you know, I'm a good person overall, and I think my story really shows how this
system and these powerful drugs of sex, money and power can seduce people,
because I certainly was seduced. And if I hadn't lived this life as an economic
hit man, I think I'd have a hard time believing that anybody does these things.
And that's why I wrote the book, because our country really needs to understand,
if people in this nation understood what our foreign policy is really about,
what foreign aid is about, how our corporations work, where our tax money goes,
I know we will demand change.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to John Perkins. In your book, you talk about how you
helped to implement a secret scheme that funneled billions of dollars of Saudi
Arabian petrol dollars back into the U.S. economy, and that further cemented the
intimate relationship between the House of Saud and successive U.S.
administrations. Explain.

JOHN PERKINS: Yes, it was a fascinating time. I remember well, you're probably
too young to remember, but I remember well in the early seventies how OPEC
exercised this power it had, and cut back on oil supplies. We had cars lined up
at gas stations. The country was afraid that it was facing another 1929-type of
crash-depression; and this was unacceptable. So, they -- the Treasury Department
hired me and a few other economic hit men. We went to Saudi Arabia. We --

AMY GOODMAN: You're actually called economic hit men --e.h.m.'s?

JOHN PERKINS: Yeah, it was a tongue-in-cheek term that we called ourselves.
Officially, I was a chief economist. We called ourselves e.h.m.'s. It was
tongue-in-cheek. It was like, nobody will believe us if we say this, you know?
And, so, we went to Saudi Arabia in the early seventies. We knew Saudi Arabia
was the key to dropping our dependency, or to controlling the situation. And we
worked out this deal whereby the Royal House of Saud agreed to send most of
their petro-dollars back to the United States and invest them in U.S. government
securities. The Treasury Department would use the interest from these securities
to hire U.S. companies to build Saudi Arabia-new cities, new
infrastructure-which we've done. And the House of Saud would agree to maintain
the price of oil within acceptable limits to us, which they've done all of these
years, and we would agree to keep the House of Saud in power as long as they did
this, which we've done, which is one of the reasons we went to war with Iraq in
the first place. And in Iraq we tried to implement the same policy that was so
successful in Saudi Arabia, but Saddam Hussein didn't buy. When the economic hit
men fail in this scenario, the next step is what we call the jackals. Jackals
are C.I.A.-sanctioned people that come in and try to foment a coup or
revolution. If that doesn't work, they perform assassinations. or try to. In the
case of Iraq, they weren't able to get through to Saddam Hussein. He had -- His
bodyguards were too good. He had doubles. They couldn't get through to him. So
the third line of defense, if the economic hit men and the jackals fail, the
next line of defense is our young men and women, who are sent in to die and
kill, which is what we've obviously done in Iraq.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you explain how Torrijos died?

JOHN PERKINS: Omar Torrijos, the President of Panama. Omar Torrijos had signed
the Canal Treaty with Carter much -- and, you know, it passed our congress by
only one vote. It was a highly contended issue. And Torrijos then also went
ahead and negotiated with the Japanese to build a sea-level canal. The Japanese
wanted to finance and construct a sea-level canal in Panama. Torrijos talked to
them about this which very much upset Bechtel Corporation, whose president was
George Schultz and senior council was Casper Weinberger. When Carter was thrown
out (and that's an interesting story-how that actually happened), when he lost
the election, and Reagan came in and Schultz came in as Secretary of State from
Bechtel, and Weinberger came from Bechtel to be Secretary of Defense, they were
extremely angry at Torrijos -- tried to get him to renegotiate the Canal Treaty
and not to talk to the Japanese. He adamantly refused. He was a very principled
man. He had his problem, but he was a very principled man. He was an amazing
man, Torrijos. And so, he died in a fiery airplane crash, which was connected to
a tape recorder with explosives in it, which -- I was there. I had been working
with him. I knew that we economic hit men had failed. I knew the jackals were
closing in on him, and the next thing, his plane exploded with a tape recorder
with a bomb in it. There's no question in my mind that it was C.I.A. sanctioned,
and most -- many Latin American investigators have come to the same conclusion.
Of course, we never heard about that in our country.

AMY GOODMAN: So, where -- when did your change your heart happen?

JOHN PERKINS: I felt guilty throughout the whole time, but I was seduced. The
power of these drugs, sex, power, and money, was extremely strong for me. And,
of course, I was doing things I was being patted on the back for. I was chief
economist. I was doing things that Robert McNamara liked and so on.

AMY GOODMAN: How closely did you work with the World Bank?

JOHN PERKINS: Very, very closely with the World Bank. The World Bank provides
most of the money that's used by economic hit men, it and the I.M.F. But when
9/11 struck, I had a change of heart. I knew the story had to be told because
what happened at 9/11 is a direct result of what the economic hit men are doing.
And the only way that we're going to feel secure in this country again and that
we're going to feel good about ourselves is if we use these systems we've put
into place to create positive change around the world. I really believe we can
do that. I believe the World Bank and other institutions can be turned around
and do what they were originally intended to do, which is help reconstruct
devastated parts of the world. Help -- genuinely help poor people. There are
twenty-four thousand people starving to death every day. We can change that.
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Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from falling down.
Due to the 40 years of Economic Assassination and Strangulation by
the U$$A's Embargo.
Idiot.
Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?
For the same reason that 10,000s of children in the U$$A are homeless, go
hungry,
and die from insufficient medical care yet the Pentagon has all the $$ they
need to keep the lawn watered and the flowers blooming.
You didn't answer the question chimpy: why are tourists allowed access
to luxury goods, while ordinary cubans aren't? Seems kind old Fidel is
very selective about what the "embargo" affects.

And in the USA, at least they have access to homeless charities, and
can complain to politicians. Neither of these applies to Cuba.

And BTW, don't you find it funny that living conditions in the worker's
paradise of Cuba can only be as good as the poorest segment of the US
population?
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How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
Castro doesn't control Guantanamo, that's a U$ concentration camp.
I noticed you avoided the question chimpy: How does the embargo force
Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?

Straight answer now Chimpy. We are waiting.

BTW, people at least get to leave Guantanamo, and they don't get
murdered by the Americans there. In other words, Guantanamo inmates
have more freedom than everyday Cubans.
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to flee his
paradise?
Hijacking is a capital offense, even in the U$$A.
Lol. Fuckwit. How are people building their own craft "hijacking"
something?

Waiting for your answer chimpy: why does Castro kill or imprison people
who try to leave?
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No, it's because they can buy food off producers who can export a good
product
A product produced by enslaving and impoverishing 3rd world societies.
Wrong again chimpy.
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You really should learn to think for yourself, dopestick.
Sez the pig-ignorant jackass.
That's odd chimpy, you're the only one here who can't answer questions.

Now, without changing the topic:
- why does Castro kill or imprison people who try to leave?
- How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
- Why doesn't the "embargo" affect Cuba's tourist areas or members of
the communist inner circle?
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Don't look any worse than East St. Louis, or Baltimore ... and it's
a whole lot safer than either of those cesspools of "capitalism".
LOL!
So, you admit all of Cuba is a filthy shithole,
Never said that, those are your words moron.
So, do those pictures come from Cuba or not? Looks like a filthy,
decaying shithole to me. No wonder people flee to the USA
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and the average american has living standards light-years ahead of the average
Cuban.
Not really that far ahead. There are millions of homeless children living on the
streets
and alley of the world tonight, and NOT ONE of them is Cuban.
In other words, they're enjoying Cuba-style living conditions, only the
Americans at least have access to charities.

So, a comparison:
USA: a tiny portion of the population live on the streets, and at least
have access to charities, soup kitchens, homeless chelters
Cuba: entire population living in poverty. Are imprisoned/murdered when
they complain about it or try to flee.

Looks like the USA is light-years ahead to me, chimpy
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Why exactly do you think Cubans want to emigrate en masse to the USA,
hmmm?
Greed.
lol. Yeah. Wanting to live in a clean house is "greedy"? Wanting
freedom of speech, assembly and movement is "greedy"? Wanting adequate
food is "greedy"? Wanting not to live in a filthy, decaying
totalitarian slum is "greedy"?

Heh. You sad knob.
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Prisoners (per 1,000 people)
Maybe they shouldn't break the law then.
PS. perhaps you'd like to explain why Castro imprisons political
opponents.
Same reason any contry does. Perhaps they shouldn't break
the law then, eh?
What "laws" though Chimpy?

In Cuba, you get to go to jail without trial just for criticising the
government, starting a library or even trying to leave the place.

Now chimpy, please show me people in the USA who have been jailed for
doing this.

Waiting for your answer chimpy.
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LOL. As opposed to peaceful Cuba, where you can get tortured,
imprisoned and killed for speaking out against the government.
Where in the U$A you can get tortured, imprisoned and killed for
just being Black, or Hispanic, whether or not you speak at all.
Except there, it's a) rare, b) not sanctioned by the government, c) the
offenders are prosecuted, d) the victims can sue.

In Cuba, the govermment tortured, imprisoned and killed for speaking
out against the government.

Now, Chimpy, why are you making excuses for a totalitarian regime which
imprisons and murders it's own population?

Why doesn't Castro not allow freedom of speech, assembly, movement or
political representation?

Waiting for your answers chimpy, no spin now.
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Get mistreated in the USA, you can at least sue.
Wow. How old are you, 16?
Dead people can't sue anyone, jackass.
As everyday Cubans can well attest.

Tell me chimpy, why doesn't Castro not allow freedom of speech,
assembly, movement or political representation?

Why are political opponents tortured and imprisoned?
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Death row inmates
United States 2,124
Quite a lot less than the people murdered by Castro without trial.
How many Iraqis has the U$$A murdered without trial?
Hint - 100,000
a) a bullshit figure
b) in another country where there's a war going on

Now chimpy: why does Castro execute his own people without trial?
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Geez, not doing too well with the comparisons, are you dumbass?
No, you're not.
Hey, chimpy, why can't you answer the questions?
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Murder rate (per 100,000 people)
United States 8.40
Where are the Cuban stats?
So low they didn't even make it in the top 50% of
the list.
Lol. Yes, I guess you trust Cuban government figures. KInda like they
tell us their economy is doing great.

Hey chimpy, wanna buy a rolex?

(PS. maybe the Cuban government does all the murdering for them)
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United States 24.4
Where are the Cuban stats?
So low they didn't even make it in the top 50% of
the list.
See above.

Wow, such a paradise. Strange that thousands try to flee every year,
and castro has to imprison or murder people to stop them from leaving.

nice guy you got there, chimpy.
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Where are the Cuban stats?
So low they didn't even make it in the top 50% of
the list.
See above chimpy.
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Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)
United States 221
On of the downsides to being rich.
ROTFLMAO!
No coutner-argument noted.
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There's noone in Cuba to rob.
Never stopped the U$$A from trying.
Really? Give examples, chimpy.

BTW, you do realise the Cuban government steals from its own people,
dn't you chimpy?
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Now Chimpy, explain why thousands of Cubans risk drowining every year
to escape that wonderful "paradise".
Same reasons 1000s of Americans expatriate every year from the U$$A, or
from any country.
Wrong again, chimpy: how many americans risk their lives to get out of
the place?
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We speak with John Perkins, a former respected member of the international
banking community. In his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man he describes
how as a highly paid professional, he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries
around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than
they could possibly repay and then take over their economies. [includes rush
transcript]
Nice change of subject chimpy. Guess you don't want to talk about Cuba
anymore. Not surprising.

(PS chimpy, who forced those countries to borrow money, eh chimpy?)
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Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from
falling
down.
Due to the 40 years of Economic Assassination and Strangulation by
the U$$A's Embargo.
Idiot.
Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?
For the same reason that 10,000s of children in the U$$A are
homeless, go hungry,
and die from insufficient medical care yet the Pentagon has all the
$$ they need to keep the lawn watered and the flowers blooming.
You didn't answer the question chimpy: why are tourists allowed access
to luxury goods, while ordinary cubans aren't? Seems kind old Fidel is
very selective about what the "embargo" affects.
It's called limited capitalism, due to the U$ embargo, Cuba has
been forced to embrace some tourism from Canada, Spain, UK, Chile
and other truly free 1st world countries who don't restrict
where their citizens can and can't visit/travel.
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And in the USA, at least they have access to homeless charities, and
can complain to politicians. Neither of these applies to Cuba.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, or what
the situation is in Cuba besides the Miami Mafia propaganda
you've been fed, do you jackass?
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And BTW, don't you find it funny that living conditions in the
worker's paradise of Cuba can only be as good as the poorest segment of the US
population?
Not at all, and given the living condions in Cuba are 10x better than
that bastion of "democracy" in Haiti, only a moron like you would
expect a far smaller, poorer island nation who's been subject to 40 years
of non-stop embargoes and economic sabbotage from the USA to
have a standard of living equal to the USA.

If Cuba and communism are such a failure, why is the U$$A so
terrified of such a small island, and one man named Fidel, that
you've spent 4 decades and BILLIONS of dollars to supress,
weaken and attempt to destroy it? What are you affraid of, coward?
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How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture
dissidents?
Castro doesn't control Guantanamo, that's a U$ concentration camp.
I noticed you avoided the question chimpy: How does the embargo force
Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
Same way Cuba forces the U$$A to imprison and torture dissidents.
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Straight answer now Chimpy. We are waiting.
Need another banana to cram up your ass?
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BTW, people at least get to leave Guantanamo, and they don't get
murdered by the Americans there. In other words, Guantanamo inmates
have more freedom than everyday Cubans.
Riiight --

Guantanamo letter alleges torture


Saturday 02 October 2004, 16:37 Makka Time, 13:37 GMT

Moazzam Begg said he witnessed the deaths of two detainees

One of four British detainees still held by the United States at the Guantanamo
Bay naval base in Cuba says he has been subjected to vindictive torture and
death threats.
In a hand-written letter released by his lawyers on Friday, Moazzam Begg, from
Birmingham in the English Midlands, also says he has witnessed the deaths of two
fellow detainees "at the hands of US military personnel".

It is not known how the letter made it past US military censors.

Begg, 36, who has been detained for more than two years now, insisted he was a
law-abiding British citizen, that he had never met Usama bin Ladin, and was not
a member of al-Qaida or any other paramilitary organisation.

His four-page letter marked the first time that any communication from a serving
Guantanamo detainee has been made public, the attorneys said.

Pernicious threats

"During several interviews, particularly - though unexclusively - in
Afghanistan, I was subjected to pernicious threats of torture, actual vindictive
torture and death threats - amongst other coercively employed interrogation
techniques," Begg wrote.

"In this atmosphere of severe antipathy towards detainees was the compounded use
of racially and religiously prejudiced taunts.


Begg's letter escaped the
attention of camp censors

"This culminated, in my opinion, with the deaths of two fellow detainees at the
hands of US military personnel, to which I myself was partially witness," he
added.

Begg, who was arrested in Pakistan in February 2002, was among nine British
citizens known to have been detained at Guantanamo.


Related:

ICRC highlights Guantanamo torture
Guards 'confirm' Guantanamo abuses
HRW: US defies law on detainees
Transcript of Muazzam Begg's letter
Bahrain wants torture claim probed
Guantanamo inmate tells of 'torture'
Swede tells of Guantanamo torture
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to
flee his paradise?
Hijacking is a capital offense, even in the U$$A.
Lol. Fuckwit. How are people building their own craft "hijacking"
something?
When you steal gov't property in order to commit another crime,
and then flee, even the U$A will shoot to kill.
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No, it's because they can buy food off producers who can export a
good product
A product produced by enslaving and impoverishing 3rd world
societies.
Wrong again chimpy.
Time for you to cram another banana up your ass, eh chimp?
Or would you like to try a pineapple this time?
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You really should learn to think for yourself, dopestick.
Sez the pig-ignorant jackass.
That's odd chimpy, you're the only one here who can't answer
questions.
- why does Castro kill or imprison people who try to leave?
Same reason the U$$A kills or imprisons those who break it's laws.
How stupid are you?
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- How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture
dissidents?
How does Cuba force the U$$A to imprison and torture dissidents?
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- Why doesn't the "embargo" affect Cuba's tourist areas or members of
the communist inner circle?
Why doesn't the abject poverty and millions of homelessin many parts
of the U$$A affect the Repugnikkkans expense accounts in Washington DC ?
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Don't look any worse than East St. Louis, or Baltimore ... and it's
a whole lot safer than either of those cesspools of
"capitalism".
LOL!
So, you admit all of Cuba is a filthy shithole,
Never said that, those are your words moron.
So, do those pictures come from Cuba or not? Looks like a filthy,
decaying shithole to me. No wonder people flee to the USA
Got any pictures of downtown Baltimore, Akron, E. Saint Louis,
S. Philadelphia, Broklyn, Trenton, Cleveland, Memphis slums eh?
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and the average american has living standards light-years ahead
of the average Cuban.
Not really that far ahead. There are millions of homeless children
living on the streets
and alley of the world tonight, and NOT ONE of them is Cuban.
In other words, they're enjoying Cuba-style living conditions, only
the Americans at least have access to charities.
Funny, so do the Cubans.
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USA: a tiny portion of the population live on the streets,
Millions of people, including children.
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and at least have access to charities, soup kitchens, homeless chelters
There are no homeless in Cuba, moron.
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Cuba: entire population living in poverty.
Induced in no small part by the 40 years of U$ embargo and
non-stop economic sabbotage of that smaller, weaker island nation.
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Are imprisoned/murdered
when they complain about it or try to flee.
Yeah, just like the U$A imprisons/murders those
that break it's laws. Quite the newsflash there chimp.
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Looks like the USA is light-years ahead to me, chimpy
So you're complaint is that Cuba isn't equal to the U$$A in
living standards? ROTFLMAO!
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Why exactly do you think Cubans want to emigrate en masse to the USA,
hmmm?
Greed.
lol. Yeah. Wanting to live in a clean house is "greedy"?
So does your mommy still clean your house for you, eh moron?
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Wanting freedom of speech,
You can "want" till the cows come home, unless you've been
in a coma for the last 10 years, the U$$A has mostly done
away with large parts of the U$ Constitution.
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assembly and movement is "greedy"?
Can a U$ citizen "assemble" with al Qaeda?
Can a U$ citizen freely associate with the Taliban?
Can a U$ citizen directly help and assist those
poor empoverished Cubans you're sooo concerned
about by sending them $$ and/or supplies?
ROTFLMAO!

You really are a clueless pig-ignorant imbecile, aren't you boy?
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You didn't answer the question chimpy: why are tourists allowed access
to luxury goods, while ordinary cubans aren't? Seems kind old Fidel is
very selective about what the "embargo" affects.
It's called limited capitalism, due to the U$ embargo, Cuba has
been forced to embrace some tourism from Canada, Spain, UK, Chile
and other truly free 1st world countries who don't restrict
where their citizens can and can't visit/travel.
lol - "countries who don't restrict where their citizens can and can't
visit/travel"....what, like the Cubans themselves.

So, you admit capitalism delivers goods and services communism cannot?
And the Castro deliberately stops his own population from being part of
it?
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And in the USA, at least they have access to homeless charities, and
can complain to politicians. Neither of these applies to Cuba.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, or what
the situation is in Cuba besides the Miami Mafia propaganda
you've been fed, do you jackass?
You mean, people who actually lived in that totalitarian shithole and
escaped?

Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
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And BTW, don't you find it funny that living conditions in the
worker's paradise of Cuba can only be as good as the poorest segment of the US
population?
Not at all, and given the living condions in Cuba are 10x better than
that bastion of "democracy" in Haiti, only a moron like you would
expect a far smaller, poorer island nation who's been subject to 40 years
of non-stop embargoes and economic sabbotage from the USA to
have a standard of living equal to the USA.
Not equal, just non-shitty. And they don't seem to have a problem
delivering a higher standard of living to tourists and commie
officials, yet they deliberately deny it to their own people.

Nice double-standard you have there, chimpy.
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If Cuba and communism are such a failure, why is the U$$A so
terrified of such a small island, and one man named Fidel, that
you've spent 4 decades and BILLIONS of dollars to supress,
weaken and attempt to destroy it? What are you affraid of, coward?
Lol. Yeah, Castro is so "terrifying" that he can't even throw the
Americans out of Guantanamo. Big scary guy you got there chimpy.

Personally, I have no problems with trying to destroy a brutal
totalitarian regime. Yet you make excuses for them. Nice going, chimpy.
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Castro doesn't control Guantanamo, that's a U$ concentration camp.
I noticed you avoided the question chimpy: How does the embargo force
Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
Same way Cuba forces the U$$A to imprison and torture dissidents.
Well, except that doesn't happen. name anyone who has been locked up
for criticising the government.

Now: How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture
dissidents? Why does nice cuddly Fidel do this?
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Straight answer now Chimpy. We are waiting.
Need another banana to cram up your ass?
Hehehe, you seem to be getting quite angry chimpy. Guess the truth
hurts, which is why you can never give straight answers to my
questions.
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BTW, people at least get to leave Guantanamo, and they don't get
murdered by the Americans there. In other words, Guantanamo inmates
have more freedom than everyday Cubans.
Riiight --
Guantanamo letter alleges torture
In other words, no evidence. And funny how your only "example" comes
from a prison for terrorists.

Guess you can't find any examples in the US of what Castro does to his
own people, can you chimpy?
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to
flee his paradise?
Hijacking is a capital offense, even in the U$$A.
Lol. Fuckwit. How are people building their own craft "hijacking"
something?
When you steal gov't property in order to commit another crime,
and then flee, even the U$A will shoot to kill.
So, building a raft is a capital offence in Cuba. Lovely.

nice morals you've there chimpy.

I notice you still cannot come up with any examples of the USA
murdering its own citizens who try to leave.
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A product produced by enslaving and impoverishing 3rd world societies.
Wrong again chimpy.
Time for you to cram another banana up your ass, eh chimp?
Or would you like to try a pineapple this time?
Getting quite cranky, aren't you chimpy?
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- why does Castro kill or imprison people who try to leave?
Same reason the U$$A kills or imprisons those who break it's laws.
How stupid are you?
So, you have no problem with killing people for the crime of leaving
their own country?

Nice morals you've got there chimpy.

Please come up with some examples of the USA murdering people for
trying to leave it's shores. We are waiting chimpy.
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- How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture
dissidents?
How does Cuba force the U$$A to imprison and torture dissidents?
It doesn't. Please come up with some examples of the USA locking people
up for criticising the government. We are waiting chimpy.

Now, stop avoiding the question: How does the embargo force Castro to
imprison and torture dissidents?
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- Why doesn't the "embargo" affect Cuba's tourist areas or members of
the communist inner circle?
Why doesn't the abject poverty and millions of homelessin many parts
of the U$$A affect the Repugnikkkans expense accounts in Washington DC ?
Questions avoided chimpy: Why doesn't the "embargo" affect Cuba's
tourist areas or members of the communist inner circle?

As for your stupid non-sequiter question: the republicans have jobs,
the homeless don't. Noone is denying goods and services to other
americans, like the Cubans do with their own people.
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So, do those pictures come from Cuba or not? Looks like a filthy,
decaying shithole to me. No wonder people flee to the USA
Got any pictures of downtown Baltimore, Akron, E. Saint Louis,
S. Philadelphia, Broklyn, Trenton, Cleveland, Memphis slums eh?
No, but they aren't mainstream america.

Pretty much *all* of Cuba is a decaying commie shithole, except for the
nice tourist areas Cubans aren't allowed access to of course.

Heh. The "workers paradise" has a standard of living as bad as the
*worst* examples of the USA.

Guess the USA is still light-years ahead.
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In other words, they're enjoying Cuba-style living conditions, only
the Americans at least have access to charities.
Funny, so do the Cubans.
Nope, they don't.

- they get imprisoned or killed when they oppose castro
- they get imprisoned or killed when they try to leave

Neither of these happens to US citizens. Once again, USA is superior on
every count, chimpy.
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USA: a tiny portion of the population live on the streets,
Millions of people, including children.
a tiny minority of the population

Whereas in nice cuba, they're all living in their own shit. And they
can't complain or even leave. Nice place. No woner thousands escape
that shithole, chimpy.
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and at least have access to charities, soup kitchens, homeless chelters
There are no homeless in Cuba, moron.
Mmmm....they're lucky to live in windowless building with no
electricity or water. They'd be better off in the US, which is why most
want to go there.
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Cuba: entire population living in poverty.
Induced in no small part by the 40 years of U$ embargo and
non-stop economic sabbotage of that smaller, weaker island nation.
Sure. That's why the commies themselves have access to higher standards
to living, as do tourists. Funny that the embargo doesn't hurt them.

Oh, maybe Castro can share his millions with his own people, chimpy.
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Are imprisoned/murdered
when they complain about it or try to flee.
Yeah, just like the U$A imprisons/murders those
that break it's laws. Quite the newsflash there chimp.
Nice comparison chimpy

The USA does not imprison people who try to leave. Cuba does.

You agree that people who try to leave to be killed?

You'd make a great nazi, chimpy.
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Looks like the USA is light-years ahead to me, chimpy
So you're complaint is that Cuba isn't equal to the U$$A in
living standards? ROTFLMAO!
No, is that the people of Cuba have been brutalised and kept in poverty
by their own government.

Seems pretty simple to me, chimpy.
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lol. Yeah. Wanting to live in a clean house is "greedy"?
So does your mommy still clean your house for you, eh moron?
Another questions you avoided answering.

Poor chimpy is clearly afraid of the truth
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Wanting freedom of speech,
You can "want" till the cows come home, unless you've been
in a coma for the last 10 years, the U$$A has mostly done
away with large parts of the U$ Constitution.
Please show me examples of where people in the US have been imprisoned
for criticising the government. We are waiting chimpy.
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assembly and movement is "greedy"?
Can a U$ citizen "assemble" with al Qaeda?
Terrorist organisation? No. great comparison chimpy.

In the US, you cna criticise Bush.
In Cuba, you cannot criticise Castro.

That's the truth chimpy.
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Can a U$ citizen freely associate with the Taliban?
Terrorist-sponsoring totalitarian religious government? No
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Can a U$ citizen directly help and assist those
poor empoverished Cubans you're sooo concerned
about by sending them $$ and/or supplies?
Well they could, if the Cuban government weren't the ones stopping
them, chimpy.

Besides, the USA is happy to help the Cubans by letting them live in
the USA. The nice Cuban commies murder their own citizens who try this,
chimpy.

Nice morals you've got there chimpy.
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ROTFLMAO!
You really are a clueless pig-ignorant imbecile, aren't you boy?
Coming from a delusion commie chimp, I'll take that as a compliment.

Now chimpy, why won't you answer my questions?
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You didn't answer the question chimpy: why are tourists allowed access
to luxury goods, while ordinary cubans aren't? Seems kind old Fidel is
very selective about what the "embargo" affects.
It's called limited capitalism, due to the U$ embargo, Cuba has
been forced to embrace some tourism from Canada, Spain, UK, Chile
and other truly free 1st world countries who don't restrict
where their citizens can and can't visit/travel.
lol - "countries who don't restrict where their citizens can and can't
visit/travel"....what, like the Cubans themselves.
Looks like Castro got that little ditty from the U$$A itself, dictating
what countries U$ citizens could or couldn't visit, under penalty
of CRIMINAL prosecution and Imprisonment.
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So, you admit capitalism delivers goods and services communism cannot?
See many goods and services in Haiti?
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And the Castro deliberately stops his own population from being part
of it?
That what "communism" is, the cure for abusive, exploitative
capitalism.
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And in the USA, at least they have access to homeless charities, and
can complain to politicians. Neither of these applies to Cuba.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, or what
the situation is in Cuba besides the Miami Mafia propaganda
you've been fed, do you jackass?
You mean, people who actually lived in that totalitarian shithole and
escaped?
You mean criminals and terrorists who when fugitive to avoid prosecution
for their crimes?
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Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Hey, when I said for you to ram a banana up your ass, I didn't
mean for you to jam it soooo far up there that it gets stuck,
turning you into a repetitive stammering jackass.
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And BTW, don't you find it funny that living conditions in the
worker's paradise of Cuba can only be as good as the poorest
segment of the US population?
Not at all, and given the living conditions in Cuba are 10x better
than
that bastion of "democracy" in Haiti, only a moron like you would
expect a far smaller, poorer island nation who's been subject to 40 years
of non-stop embargoes and economic sabotage from the USA to
have a standard of living equal to the USA.
Not equal, just non-shitty.
Yet like the stammering jackass you are, you keep making utterly
preposterous comparisons of Cuba to the U$A itself, what a
fucking idiot you are.
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And they don't seem to have a problem
delivering a higher standard of living to tourists
Not U$ tourists, as the U$A makes it a CRIME, a FELONY,
for it's citizens to freely travel to Cuba, even for visit, or
to render assistance to those poor suffering Cuban's you
feign concern for.
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and commie officials, yet they deliberately deny it to their own people.
Funny, the U$A also treats it's politicians in Washington to a higher
level of privilege and $$ than the average 'murrikkkan could ever
dream of achieving ... and it does so by taking the $$ from those
same poor slob 'murrikkkans ... go ponder that during your
next banana enema.
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Nice double-standard you have there, chimpy.
LOL! Sez the KING of double-standards.

Going to attack and invade Jamaica for not having
the same living standards as the U$A?
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If Cuba and communism are such a failure, why is the U$$A so
terrified of such a small island, and one man named Fidel, that
you've spent 4 decades and BILLIONS of dollars to supress,
weaken and attempt to destroy it? What are you affraid of, coward?
Lol. Yeah, Castro is so "terrifying" that he can't even throw the
Americans out of Guantanamo. Big scary guy you got there chimpy.
Yet, after 40 years he's still there, and idiot chimps like you
are still whining about it, and the U$A has spent BILLIONS
of dollars trying to destroy Cuba.
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Personally, I have no problems with trying to destroy a brutal
totalitarian regime. Yet you make excuses for them. Nice going, chimpy.
Then focus on the Criminal Bu$h Junta in D.C., they're far more
dangerous, demonstrably so, to would peace and stability that
anything Fidel could even dream up.
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Castro doesn't control Guantanamo, that's a U$ concentration camp.
I noticed you avoided the question chimpy: How does the embargo force
Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
Same way Cuba forces the U$$A to imprison and torture dissidents.
Well, except that doesn't happen.
Your blatant lies don't make it so.
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name anyone who has been locked up
for criticising the government.
There are 1000s locked up, incommunicado, without lawyers,
without Red Cross, without even their names being released,
held in foreign U$ run jails and they haven't even been ACCUSED
of any crime at ALL, you shitsucking neo-con tool.
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Now: How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture
dissidents? Why does nice cuddly Fidel do this?
How do your inane off-point questions have anything to do
with the topic under discussion?
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Straight answer now Chimpy. We are waiting.
Need another banana to cram up your ass?
Hehehe, you seem to be getting quite angry chimpy. Guess the truth
hurts, which is why you can never give straight answers to my
questions.
Your inane questions aren't worthy of any answers. You want to
debate, then support your position with facts ... other than the
absurd claims you pull out of your ass.
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BTW, people at least get to leave Guantanamo, and they don't get
murdered by the Americans there. In other words, Guantanamo inmates
have more freedom than everyday Cubans.
Riiight --
Guantanamo letter alleges torture
In other words, no evidence. And funny how your only "example" comes
from a prison for terrorists.
Funny, that's were those held illegally by the U$$A would be found, eh?
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Guess you can't find any examples in the US of what Castro does to his
own people, can you chimpy?
Your deliberate ignorance of well known facts don't make it so, BoBo.
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to
flee his paradise?
Hijacking is a capital offense, even in the U$$A.
Lol. Fuckwit. How are people building their own craft "hijacking"
something?
When you steal gov't property in order to commit another crime,
and then flee, even the U$A will shoot to kill.
So, building a raft is a capital offence in Cuba. Lovely.
Naw, but Hijacking and Pirating a Commercial Vessel with
innocent civilians on it is ... even in the U$$A, jackass.

Cuban ferry hijackers executed
Friday, April 11, 2003 Posted: 3:58 PM EDT (1958 GMT)


HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- Cuba has executed three men convicted of hijacking a
passenger ferry to sail to the U.S., Cuban state-run television reported Friday.

The firing squad sentences were carried out immediately after a Cuban court
found the men guilty of terrorism.

They were part of a gang of approximately 10 involved in the April 2 hijacking
in which the ferry, carrying at least 30 men, women and children, was forced to
sail into the Straits of Florida, but ran out of fuel 30 miles from Havana.

Cuban officials towed it back to the Port of Mariel.

In a statement, the Cuban government said: "The maximum sentences [were] given
out ... in response to these dangerous acts by the hijackers, [who] not only
endangered the lives of many innocent people, but also endangered the security
of the country."

The gang held knives to the throats of passengers and threatened to kill them if
the vessel was not given enough fuel to carry them to the United States.
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A product produced by enslaving and impoverishing 3rd world societies.
Wrong again chimpy.
Time for you to cram another banana up your ass, eh chimp?
Or would you like to try a pineapple this time?
Getting quite cranky, aren't you chimpy?
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- why does Castro kill or imprison people who try to leave?
Same reason the U$$A kills or imprisons those who break it's laws.
How stupid are you?
So, you have no problem with killing people for the crime of leaving
their own country?
Cuban ferry hijackers executed
Friday, April 11, 2003 Posted: 3:58 PM EDT (1958 GMT)


HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- Cuba has executed three men convicted of hijacking a
passenger ferry to sail to the U.S., Cuban state-run television reported Friday.

The firing squad sentences were carried out immediately after a Cuban court
found the men guilty of terrorism.

They were part of a gang of approximately 10 involved in the April 2 hijacking
in which the ferry, carrying at least 30 men, women and children, was forced to
sail into the Straits of Florida, but ran out of fuel 30 miles from Havana.

Cuban officials towed it back to the Port of Mariel.

In a statement, the Cuban government said: "The maximum sentences [were] given
out ... in response to these dangerous acts by the hijackers, [who] not only
endangered the lives of many innocent people, but also endangered the security
of the country."

The gang held knives to the throats of passengers and threatened to kill them if
the vessel was not given enough fuel to carry them to the United States.
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Nice morals you've got there chimpy.
Sez the amoral scumbag who would support Hijacking, Piracy and Terrorism of
innocent civilians... LOL!
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Please come up with some examples of the USA murdering people for
trying to leave it's shores.
Why do you insist on comparing Pineapples to Bananas?
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- How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
How does Cuba force the U$$A to imprison and torture dissidents?
It doesn't. Please come up with some examples of the USA locking
people up for criticising the government. We are waiting chimpy.
Asked and answered, your pathetic denials notwithstanding.
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Now, stop avoiding the question: How does the embargo force Castro to
imprison and torture dissidents?
You're preposterous questions aren't relevant to the discussion. If you think
they are, then answer them yourself, and state them as facts to support
your argument ... whatever the fuck it is at this point.

What is it again? -- the Cuba is bad/evil because the U$$A has a higher
standard of "living" that it does? ROTFLMAO!!
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- Why doesn't the "embargo" affect Cuba's tourist areas or
members of
the communist inner circle?
Why doesn't the abject poverty and millions of homeless in many parts
of the U$$A affect the Repugnikkkans expense accounts in Washington DC ?
Questions avoided chimpy: Why doesn't the "embargo" affect Cuba's
tourist areas or members of the communist inner circle?
Your question is still irrelevant. If you don't think so, then restate it
as a fact and see if it helps your argument, BoBo.
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As for your stupid non-sequiter question: the republicans have jobs,
the homeless don't. Noone is denying goods and services to other
americans, like the Cubans do with their own people.
WTF? Are you as pig-ignorant as you appear, or is it just an act?
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So, do those pictures come from Cuba or not? Looks like a filthy,
decaying shithole to me. No wonder people flee to the USA
Got any pictures of downtown Baltimore, Akron, E. Saint Louis,
S. Philadelphia, Brooklyn, Trenton, Cleveland, Memphis slums eh?
No, but they aren't mainstream america.
Yet Sweden should embargo the U$A, and wage economic warfare
and covert destabilization actions in the U$ for 40 years because
the U$ slums, and the millions of homeless, and the 1000s of starving
and malnourished children in the U$A don't live at the same
standards as the average Swede, right jackass?
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Pretty much *all* of Cuba is a decaying commie shithole, except for
the nice tourist areas Cubans aren't allowed access to of course.
"pretty much" ... followed by "all" ...?

You really have no fucking idea what you're talking about, do you moron?

Ever been to Haiti? When you going to attack and invade them for having
the POOREST, most CORRUPT, filthiest shithole of anywhere in North America?
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Heh. The "workers paradise" has a standard of living as bad as the
*worst* examples of the USA.
Why do you insist on comparing Cuba to the U$A?
And why do you ignore the fact that there are NO homeless adults,
much less homeless children, in Cuba, yet there are MILLIONS
of them in the U$$A?
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Guess the USA is still light-years ahead.
Guess you still can't make a cogent comparison, eh?
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In other words, they're enjoying Cuba-style living conditions, only
the Americans at least have access to charities.
Funny, so do the Cubans.
Nope, they don't.
- they get imprisoned or killed when they oppose castro
As do those that violate the laws of the U$$A, and even some
who don't violate any laws.
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- they get imprisoned or killed when they try to leave
As do those who illegally attempt to cross the U$ borders, in
either direction.
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Neither of these happens to US citizens. Once again, USA is superior
on every count, chimpy.
Yep, the U$$A is suuuure superior --
--
Proof the U$$A is the "greatest" nation on earth:

Prisoners (per 1,000 people)

United States 4.2
United Kingdom 1.0
Germany 0.8
France 0.8
Austria 0.8
Spain 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
Denmark 0.7
Belgium 0.7
Italy 0.6
Sweden 0.6
Japan 0.4
Netherlands 0.4

Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)

United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7

Death row inmates

United States 2,124
Japan 38
All others 0

Murder rate (per 100,000 people)

United States 8.40
Canada 5.45
Denmark 5.17
France 4.60
Portugal 4.50
Australia 4.48
Germany 4.20
Belgium 2.80
Spain 2.28
Switzerland 2.25
Italy 2.18
Norway 1.99
United Kingdom 1.97
Austria 1.80
Greece 1.76
Sweden 1.73
Japan 1.20
Ireland 0.96
Finland 0.70

Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)

United States 24.4
Canada 2.6
Sweden 2.3
Norway 2.3
Finland 2.3
Denmark 2.2
United Kingdom 2.0
Netherlands 1.2
Germany 0.9
Japan 0.5

Rape (per 100,000 people)

United States 37.20
Sweden 15.70
Denmark 11.23
Germany 8.60
Norway 7.87
United Kingdom 7.26
Finland 7.20
France 6.77
Switzerland 6.15
Luxembourg 5.00
Spain 4.43
Austria 4.40
Belgium 4.00
Greece 2.40
Ireland 1.72
Japan 1.40
Portugal 1.20

Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)

United States 221
Canada 94
France 90
Belgium 66
United Kingdom 63
Italy 50
Sweden 49
Germany 47
Ireland 46
Denmark 44
Finland 38
Switzerland 23
Norway 22
Greece 7
Japan 1

TYPE OF OFFENSE (Sentenced Pop. Only) - Federal Prisoners

Drug Offenses 59.6%
Robbery 9.8%
Property Offenses 5.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6.8%
Violent Offenses 2.7%
Firearms, Explosives, Arson 8.6%
White Collar 1.0%
Immigration 2.8%
Courts or Corrections 0.8%
National Security 0.1%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 0.8%
Miscellaneous 1.5%

THE INTERNATIONAL EVIDENCE

The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well. Although it doesn't have the most police per capita,
the U.S. does have the toughest laws and punishments by far. The question of
which came first, the chicken or the egg, is becoming much less relevant as time
passes; the U.S. has been following this "get tough" approach for decades, with
no significant reduction of its violent crime rate.
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USA: a tiny portion of the population live on the streets,
Millions of people, including children.
a tiny minority of the population
Millions more than Cuba, which has NONE, jackass.
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Whereas in nice cuba, they're all living in their own shit. And they
can't complain or even leave. Nice place. No woner thousands escape
that shithole, chimpy.
More lies you pull out of your own festering anus.
Stop cramming so much fruit up there and it won't
rot and stink so badly, BoBo.
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and at least have access to charities, soup kitchens, homeless chelters
There are no homeless in Cuba, moron.
Mmmm....they're lucky to live in windowless building with no
electricity or water.
Sounds like Appalachia USA, or Southern Mississippi, or Alabama, or
any of the white-trash trailer parks that cris cross the U$.
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They'd be better off in the US, which is why
most want to go there.
Sure chimp, sure ...
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Cuba: entire population living in poverty.
Induced in no small part by the 40 years of U$ embargo and
non-stop economic sabotage of that smaller, weaker island nation.
Sure. That's why the commies themselves have access to higher
standards to living, as do tourists.
What's the fixation with "tourists" ? Is it because you AREN'T allowed
by your own Gov't to even visit, as a tourist, that you can't seem to
get beyond the fact that ALL venues for tourists have HIGHER standards
of living than the surrounding populace. What tourist wants to visit anywhere
and live worse than the locals are living? Not much of a vacation, is it skippy?
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Funny that the embargo doesn't hurt them.
Funny, the MILLIONS of homeless and malnourished
children in the U$$A doesn't affect the room service
at the Bellagio Hotel and Casino in Vegas either, you stammering
jackass.
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Oh, maybe Castro can share his millions with his own people, chimpy.
Sure, when G chimpzilla Bu$h shares his millions with the
36 MILLION who live in poverty in the U$$A, asswipe.
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Are imprisoned/murdered
when they complain about it or try to flee.
Yeah, just like the U$A imprisons/murders those
that break it's laws. Quite the newsflash there chimp.
Nice comparison chimpy
The USA does not imprison people who try to leave. Cuba does.
Then try leaving for CUBA from the U$A, asswipe, and see where
you end up.
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You'd make a great nazi, chimpy.
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Looks like the USA is light-years ahead to me, chimpy
So you're complaint is that Cuba isn't equal to the U$$A in
living standards? ROTFLMAO!
No, is that the people of Cuba have been brutalised and kept in
poverty by their own government.
Seems pretty simple to me, chimpy.
Because you're a simple minded shitstain.
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lol. Yeah. Wanting to live in a clean house is "greedy"?
So does your mommy still clean your house for you, eh moron?
Another questions you avoided answering.
Poor chimpy is clearly afraid of the truth
Yet, your inane off-point questions do nothing
to bring any facts or truth to the discussion.
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Wanting freedom of speech,
You can "want" till the cows come home, unless you've been
in a coma for the last 10 years, the U$$A has mostly done
away with large parts of the U$ Constitution.
Please show me examples of where people in the US have been imprisoned
for criticising the government. We are waiting chimpy.
The examples of 1000s of innocent people being imprisoned, tortured and
murdered for FAR LESS than criticizing the Gov't have been made
numerous times, your continued ignorance notwithstanding.
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assembly and movement is "greedy"?
Can a U$ citizen "assemble" with al Qaeda?
Terrorist organisation? No. great comparison chimpy.
Answer the question, jackass.
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In the US, you cna criticise Bush.
In Cuba, you cannot criticise Castro.
So tell us again why you think other countries
should be exactly like the U$A?
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That's the truth chimpy.
Time for another banana enema, eh BoBo?
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Can a U$ citizen freely associate with the Taliban?
Terrorist-sponsoring totalitarian religious government? No
So answer the question, lowlife.
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Can a U$ citizen directly help and assist those
poor impoverished Cubans you're sooo concerned
about by sending them $$ and/or supplies?
Well they could, if the Cuban government weren't the ones stopping
them, chimpy.
LOL! You really have no fucking clue what you're talking about,
do you asswipe?
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Besides,
You're still a liar.
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Nice morals you've got there chimpy.
Sez the U$ asswipe who won't even allow U$ citizens
to travel to, visit, or directly assist those poor suffering
Cubans you feign concern for.
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ROTFLMAO!
You really are a clueless pig-ignorant imbecile, aren't you boy?
Coming from a delusion commie chimp, I'll take that as a compliment.
Now chimpy, why won't you answer my questions?
I answered that questions, dipshit. Pay attention.

Here scumbag, instead of jamming all that fruit up your ass,
perhaps you can use it to feed the poor, homeless and impoverished
MILLIONS in the U$$A --

Poverty USA: The State of
Poverty in America

For the third consecutive year, the poverty rate and the number of Americans
living in poverty both rose from the prior years. Since 2000, the number of poor
Americans has grown by more than 4 million. The official poverty rate in 2003
(the most current year for which figures are available) was 12.5 percent, up
from 12.1 percent in 2002. Total Americans below the official poverty thresholds
numbered 35.9 million, a figure 1.3 million higher than the 34.6 million in
poverty in 2002. (U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance
Coverage in the United States: 2003, Current Population Reports, August 2003)

On average, one out of every three Americans - 34.2 percent of all people in the
United States - are officially classified as living in poverty at least 2 months
out of the year. (U.S. Census Bureau, Dynamics of Economic Well-Being: Poverty
1996-1999, July 2003.)

The number of Americans living in severe poverty - with incomes below half of
the poverty line - increased by 1.2 million in 2003, to 15.3 million. (U.S.
Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United
States: 2003, Current Population Reports, August 2003)

Since 1999, the number of poor Americans suffering from "food insecurity" and
hunger has increased by 3.9 million - 2.8 million adults and more than one
million children. In 2002, 34.9 million people lived in households experiencing
food insecurity - that is, not enough food for basic nourishment - compared to
33.6 million in 2001 and 31 million in 1999. (U.S. Department of Agriculture,
Household Food Security in the United States, 2002, October 2003.)

The American Midwest and South saw the greatest numbers of people entering
poverty in 2003; the number in the Midwest rose from 6.6 million to 6.9 million,
while the South rose from 14 to 14.5 million people. Yet the two regions stand
at the opposite ends of the percentage of people living in poverty for all
regions in America. In the Midwest, 10.7 percent of all people live in poverty,
compared to 11.3 percent for the Northeast, 12.6 percent for the West, and 14.1
for the South - the highest of all. And within those regions, the central cities
and the suburbs saw the greatest rise - to a combined rate of 12.1 percent and
28.4 million people in 2003, up from 11.6 percent and 27.1 million in 2002.
(U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United
States: 2003, Current Population Reports, August 2003)
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lol - "countries who don't restrict where their citizens can and can't
visit/travel"....what, like the Cubans themselves.
Looks like Castro got that little ditty from the U$$A itself,
Um, no, he didn't, chimpy.
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dictating
what countries U$ citizens could or couldn't visit, under penalty
of CRIMINAL prosecution and Imprisonment.
Funny how many Americans are still able to go to Cuba then.

Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
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So, you admit capitalism delivers goods and services communism cannot?
See many goods and services in Haiti?
Changin topic again chimpy.

Why are the only decent goods and services in Cuba provided by
capitalism? Why are they denied to the population?
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And the Castro deliberately stops his own population from being part
of it?
That what "communism" is, the cure for abusive, exploitative
capitalism.
LOL. Great 'cure'. That's like curing cancer by shooting the patient.

Great place. No woner thousands risk their lives to flee.
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You mean, people who actually lived in that totalitarian shithole and
escaped?
You mean criminals and terrorists who when fugitive to avoid prosecution
for their crimes?
No, I mean ordinary people seeking freedom.

Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
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Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Hey, when I said for you to ram a banana up your ass, I didn't
mean for you to jam it soooo far up there that it gets stuck,
turning you into a repetitive stammering jackass.
More deep arguments from you and avoiding the topic. Big brain you got
there chimpy.
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Not equal, just non-shitty.
Yet like the stammering jackass you are, you keep making utterly
preposterous comparisons of Cuba to the U$A itself, what a
fucking idiot you are.
Yes, it's always good to compare freedom (USA) to slavery (Cuba). It
tends to show commie shitholes in a bad light.
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And they don't seem to have a problem
delivering a higher standard of living to tourists
Not U$ tourists, as the U$A makes it a CRIME, a FELONY,
for it's citizens to freely travel to Cuba, even for visit, or
to render assistance to those poor suffering Cuban's you
feign concern for.
How about letting them leave to actually live in the USA, chimpy? The
USA allows that, and it's the Cuban commies who stop them.

Also, how is it that Americans are still able to visit Cuba? Waiting
for your answer chimpy.
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and commie officials, yet they deliberately deny it to their own people.
Funny, the U$A also treats it's politicians in Washington to a higher
level of privilege and $$ than the average 'murrikkkan could ever
dream of achieving ... and it does so by taking the $$ from those
same poor slob 'murrikkkans ... go ponder that during your
next banana enema.
Well, politicians do tend to get paid with public money all over the
world, and at least in the USA, you can vote for someone else if you
don't like them. Can't do that in Cuba. In fact, you can't even leve
Cuba if you don't like it, Chimpy.
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Nice double-standard you have there, chimpy.
LOL! Sez the KING of double-standards.
Why do you have such a hatred of Cubans, chimpy?
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Going to attack and invade Jamaica for not having
the same living standards as the U$A?
No. What is it with you and delusions, chimpy?
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Lol. Yeah, Castro is so "terrifying" that he can't even throw the
Americans out of Guantanamo. Big scary guy you got there chimpy.
Yet, after 40 years he's still there, and idiot chimps like you
are still whining about it, and the U$A has spent BILLIONS
of dollars trying to destroy Cuba.
If it wanted to "destroy" Cuba, it would take about two days, chimpy.
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Personally, I have no problems with trying to destroy a brutal
totalitarian regime. Yet you make excuses for them. Nice going, chimpy.
Then focus on the Criminal Bu$h Junta in D.C., they're far more
dangerous, demonstrably so, to would peace and stability that
anything Fidel could even dream up.
Odd then, that so many people want to move to the US, and nobody wants
to move to Cuba.
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Same way Cuba forces the U$$A to imprison and torture dissidents.
Well, except that doesn't happen.
Your blatant lies don't make it so.
Please show me examples of people who have been locked up for
criticising Bush.

People who criticise castro in Cuba tend to get locked up.
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name anyone who has been locked up
for criticising the government.
There are 1000s locked up, incommunicado, without lawyers,
without Red Cross, without even their names being released,
held in foreign U$ run jails and they haven't even been ACCUSED
of any crime at ALL, you shitsucking neo-con tool.
Aww, poor islamist terrorists.

Please show me people in the USA who have been locked up for
criticising the government.
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Now: How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture
dissidents? Why does nice cuddly Fidel do this?
How do your inane off-point questions have anything to do
with the topic under discussion?
Heh. Love your logic chimpy: the reality of Cuba is "off-point". I
understand though, chimpy: if I were a castro-lover, I wouldn't want to
discuss the reality of Cuba either.
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Hehehe, you seem to be getting quite angry chimpy. Guess the truth
hurts, which is why you can never give straight answers to my
questions.
Your inane questions aren't worthy of any answers. You want to
debate, then support your position with facts ... other than the
absurd claims you pull out of your ass.
Fact: opponents of Castro get locked up
Fact: people who just want to leave Cuba get locked up/killed
Fact: Cubans have no freedom of movement, assembly, speech or voting.

Truth hurts, don't it chimpy?
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Guantanamo letter alleges torture
In other words, no evidence. And funny how your only "example" comes
from a prison for terrorists.
Funny, that's were those held illegally by the U$$A would be found, eh?
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Guess you can't find any examples in the US of what Castro does to his
own people, can you chimpy?
Your deliberate ignorance of well known facts don't make it so, BoBo.
Then show examples. You haven't been able to come up with one instance
of someone locked up for criticising Bush.
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When you steal gov't property in order to commit another crime,
and then flee, even the U$A will shoot to kill.
So, building a raft is a capital offence in Cuba. Lovely.
Naw, but Hijacking and Pirating a Commercial Vessel with
innocent civilians on it is ... even in the U$$A, jackass.
How about the Cubans who don't hijack ferries, chimpy? Do they deserve
to be killed?

And if Castro allowed his people to travel, there wouldn't be any
"hijackings". Have you thought about that, chimpy dickhead?
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So, you have no problem with killing people for the crime of leaving
their own country?
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Didn't answer my questions, chimpy:

- why doesn't Castro allow his people to leave?
- why does he kill those who try?

Why do you hate the Cubans so much you think they should be killed for
leaving, chimpy?
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Nice morals you've got there chimpy.
Sez the amoral scumbag who would support Hijacking, Piracy and Terrorism of
innocent civilians... LOL!
No, chimpy dickhead, I support Cubans being allowed to leave the
country legally.

Why don't you support this too, chimpy? Why do you want Cubans to be
killed chimpy?
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Please come up with some examples of the USA murdering people for
trying to leave it's shores.
Why do you insist on comparing Pineapples to Bananas?
Reality hurts for you, doesn't it chimpy?
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It doesn't. Please come up with some examples of the USA locking
people up for criticising the government. We are waiting chimpy.
Asked and answered, your pathetic denials notwithstanding.
You have not come up with *one single examples* chimpy.

Now, show me one case of someone being imprisoned for criticising Bush.
We are waiting chimpy.
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Now, stop avoiding the question: How does the embargo force Castro to
imprison and torture dissidents?
You're preposterous questions aren't relevant to the discussion. If you think
they are, then answer them yourself, and state them as facts to support
your argument ... whatever the fuck it is at this point.
What is it again? -- the Cuba is bad/evil because the U$$A has a higher
standard of "living" that it does? ROTFLMAO!!
No, because it's a totalitarian shithole which brutalises it's own
people.

What is it about this you find hard to understand, chimpy?
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Questions avoided chimpy: Why doesn't the "embargo" affect Cuba's
tourist areas or members of the communist inner circle?
Your question is still irrelevant. If you don't think so, then restate it
as a fact and see if it helps your argument, BoBo.
You really are amazingly stupid chimpy. Tourists to Cuba are allowed
access to quality food and services, while ordinary Cubans are not. Why
do you think that is chimpy?
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As for your stupid non-sequiter question: the republicans have jobs,
the homeless don't. Noone is denying goods and services to other
americans, like the Cubans do with their own people.
WTF? Are you as pig-ignorant as you appear, or is it just an act?
Aww, truth hurts doesn't it chimpy.

USA citizen gets job, earns money with which he/she can travel, buy
stuff.

Noone in Cuba can travel. buy stuff without permission from the
commies. Needless to say, noone gets to travel or buy stuff.

There you go chimpy.
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No, but they aren't mainstream america.
Yet Sweden should embargo the U$A, and wage economic warfare
and covert destabilization actions in the U$ for 40 years because
the U$ slums, and the millions of homeless, and the 1000s of starving
and malnourished children in the U$A don't live at the same
standards as the average Swede, right jackass?
If the USA were a totalitarian society with living standards as shitty
as Cuba, this would be OK by me.

Then again, this isn't the case, is it chimpy?
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Pretty much *all* of Cuba is a decaying commie shithole, except for
the nice tourist areas Cubans aren't allowed access to of course.
"pretty much" ... followed by "all" ...?
You really have no fucking idea what you're talking about, do you moron?
I know a lot more about it than you do, judging by the deluded crap to
rave about.
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Ever been to Haiti? When you going to attack and invade them for having
the POOREST, most CORRUPT, filthiest shithole of anywhere in North America?
Never. At least people in haiti can leave without being murdered by
their government.
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Heh. The "workers paradise" has a standard of living as bad as the
*worst* examples of the USA.
Why do you insist on comparing Cuba to the U$A?
Freedom v. slavery. Truth hurts don't it chimpy?
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And why do you ignore the fact that there are NO homeless adults,
much less homeless children, in Cuba, yet there are MILLIONS
of them in the U$$A?
Given the state of Cuban "homes", they'd be better off as homeless in
the USA (who, unlike the Cuban poor, are a small proportion of the
population). AT least in the USA they could go to a soup kitchen and
get some decent food.
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Guess the USA is still light-years ahead.
Guess you still can't make a cogent comparison, eh?
The truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
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- they get imprisoned or killed when they oppose castro
As do those that violate the laws of the U$$A, and even some
who don't violate any laws.
Then please come us with ONE EXAMPLE of someone being locked up for
criticising Bush.

We are waiting chimpy.
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- they get imprisoned or killed when they try to leave
As do those who illegally attempt to cross the U$ borders, in
either direction.
Lol. What a tool you are chimpy.

USA citizen: can leave their country any time they want.
CUBA citizen: cannot leave their country. Anyone who tries gets
imprisoned or murdered.
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Neither of these happens to US citizens. Once again, USA is superior
on every count, chimpy.
Yep, the U$$A is suuuure superior --
Yep, in every single way.
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--
Prisoners (per 1,000 people)
United States 4.2
The difference is chimpy, people in US jails are those who have
committed crimes.

People in Cubans jails are there for such things as speaking against
Castro, opening a library, trying to leave the country.

You're not doing too well with comparisons, are you chimpy?
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Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)
Lol.

Nice Cuba, where you get locked up for saying impolite things about
Castro, for being Gay, for opening a library, for trying to leave.

Looks like the USA is superior here too
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Death row inmates
As opposed to people murdered in Cuba by the commies without trial.

Another great comparison there chimpy.
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Murder rate (per 100,000 people)
See above
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Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)
See above
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Rape (per 100,000 people)
I guess the Cuban government doesn't want to give out their stats, eh
chimpy?
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Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)
Cuba: robbery of the entire population by Castro.

You lose again chimpy
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TYPE OF OFFENSE (Sentenced Pop. Only) - Federal Prisoners
Cuba: anything Castro doesn't like is an "offence"

You lose again chimpy
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THE INTERNATIONAL EVIDENCE
The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well.
Lol.

Guess you don't know too much about the world, eh chimpy?
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USA: a tiny portion of the population live on the streets,
Millions of people, including children.
a tiny minority of the population
Millions more than Cuba, which has NONE, jackass.
Right: in Cuba everybody lives in filthy totalitarian poverty in nice
crumbling "houses" with no electricity or running water

You lose again chimpy
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Whereas in nice cuba, they're all living in their own shit. And they
can't complain or even leave. Nice place. No woner thousands escape
that shithole, chimpy.
More lies you pull out of your own festering anus.
Facts make you angry, don't they chimpy?.
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Mmmm....they're lucky to live in windowless building with no
electricity or water.
Sounds like Appalachia USA, or Southern Mississippi, or Alabama, or
any of the white-trash trailer parks that cris cross the U$.
At least the trailer parks have electricity and water, and people
aren't living next to open sewers, chimpy.

Face it chimpy: living standards in the US are light-years ahead of
Cuba.
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They'd be better off in the US, which is why
most want to go there.
Sure chimp, sure ...
Then why do thousands risk death to go there?

...and why does nobody want to live in Cuba?
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Sure. That's why the commies themselves have access to higher
standards to living, as do tourists.
What's the fixation with "tourists" ? Is it because you AREN'T allowed
by your own Gov't to even visit, as a tourist,
yes, I am chimpy.

. that you can't seem to
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get beyond the fact that ALL venues for tourists have HIGHER standards
of living than the surrounding populace.
Only, the gaps in Cuba is about a million times greater, and the Cubans
themselves aren't allowed in the tourist areas. Want to explain that
one, chimpy?
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What tourist wants to visit anywhere
and live worse than the locals are living? Not much of a vacation, is it skippy?
So, you admit the rest of Cuba is a shithole. Thank you.

BTW, why aren't the Cubans themselves allowed in their tourist areas?
You don't seem too keen to explain this one, do you chimpy?
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Funny that the embargo doesn't hurt them.
Funny, the MILLIONS of homeless and malnourished
children in the U$$A doesn't affect the room service
at the Bellagio Hotel and Casino in Vegas either, you stammering
jackass.
Except Americans themselves are allowed in vegas, you dumbass chimp.

No Cubans are allowed in Cuban tourist areas. Explain that one chimpy.
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Oh, maybe Castro can share his millions with his own people, chimpy.
Sure, when G chimpzilla Bu$h shares his millions with the
36 MILLION who live in poverty in the U$$A, asswipe.
he doesn't need to, they have charities and welfare, chimpy.

There's nothing the *entire* Cuban population can do to get access to
decent standards of living.
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Nice comparison chimpy
The USA does not imprison people who try to leave. Cuba does.
Then try leaving for CUBA from the U$A, asswipe, and see where
you end up.
Actually, lots of people have, dipshit.

Why does Cuba not allow it's citizens to go *anywhere* chimpy? Why
can't you answer this simple quesion?
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No, is that the people of Cuba have been brutalised and kept in
poverty by their own government.
Seems pretty simple to me, chimpy.
Because you're a simple minded shitstain.
Your continuing inability to make a counter-argument is noted, chimpy.
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lol. Yeah. Wanting to live in a clean house is "greedy"?
So does your mommy still clean your house for you, eh moron?
Another questions you avoided answering.
Poor chimpy is clearly afraid of the truth
Yet, your inane off-point questions do nothing
to bring any facts or truth to the discussion.
Sorry chimpy, the reality of Cuba isn't "off point" in a discussion
about Cuba.

Silly chimp.
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Please show me examples of where people in the US have been imprisoned
for criticising the government. We are waiting chimpy.
The examples of 1000s of innocent people being imprisoned, tortured and
murdered for FAR LESS than criticizing the Gov't have been made
numerous times, your continued ignorance notwithstanding.
Liar, you have not shown *one single example*.

Not one.

We are waiting chimpy.
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assembly and movement is "greedy"?
Can a U$ citizen "assemble" with al Qaeda?
Terrorist organisation? No. great comparison chimpy.
Answer the question, jackass.
I just answered it, dickhead. Did you see the word "no" in there?

And how does cooperating with a mass-murdering terrorist group compare
to Cubans not even being allowed to discuss democracy? Explain that one
chimpy.
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In the US, you cna criticise Bush.
In Cuba, you cannot criticise Castro.
So tell us again why you think other countries
should be exactly like the U$A?
I don't.

I do however think the Cubans deserve some basic freedoms. Why do you
hate the Cubans so much?
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That's the truth chimpy.
Time for another banana enema, eh BoBo?
Lack of counter-argument noted, chimpy.
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Can a U$ citizen freely associate with the Taliban?
Terrorist-sponsoring totalitarian religious government? No
So answer the question, lowlife.
Can you actually read, chimpy? I said "no". See my question above re
al-quaeda.
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Can a U$ citizen directly help and assist those
poor impoverished Cubans you're sooo concerned
about by sending them $$ and/or supplies?
Well they could, if the Cuban government weren't the ones stopping
them, chimpy.
LOL! You really have no fucking clue what you're talking about,
do you asswipe?
Actually, I'm the only one of the two of us who has any idea what
they're talking about chimpy.

Why do you hate Cubans?
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Besides,
You're still a liar.
Show me one lie, chimpy.

Why do you hate Cubans?
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Nice morals you've got there chimpy.
Sez the U$ asswipe who won't even allow U$ citizens
to travel to, visit, or directly assist those poor suffering
Cubans you feign concern for.
I don't live in the US, chimpy.

And I'm happy with americans travelling to Cuba chimpy, as some of them
actually do. You need to do some research chimpy.

Now, why do you hate Cubans so much you think they should be killed for
attempting to leave Cuba?
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You really are a clueless pig-ignorant imbecile, aren't you boy?
Coming from a delusion commie chimp, I'll take that as a compliment.
Now chimpy, why won't you answer my questions?
I answered that questions, dipshit. Pay attention.
Actually, you never answer them, you always answer with a stupid
question on another topic entirely
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Here scumbag, instead of jamming all that fruit up your ass,
perhaps you can use it to feed the poor, homeless and impoverished
MILLIONS in the U$$A --
They have welfare and charities to help them.

Why do you want the entire Cuban population to live in poverty chimpy?
Why shouldn't they be allowed to leave? Why shouldn't they be allowed
basic freedoms?

Your hatred of Cubans is quite sickening, chimpy. You should be ashamed
of yourself.
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lol - "countries who don't restrict where their citizens can and
can't visit/travel"....what, like the Cubans themselves.
Looks like Castro got that little ditty from the U$$A itself,
Um, no, he didn't, chimpy.
Funny then that the U$$A is one of the few first-world countries
that denies it's own citizens the right and freedom to travel. So
if Castro didn't get it from the U$$A, then the U$$A decided to
adopt that idea from Cuba? LOL!
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dictating
what countries U$ citizens could or couldn't visit, under penalty
of CRIMINAL prosecution and Imprisonment.
Funny how many Americans are still able to go to Cuba then.
Really? Tried to go there yourself, have you?
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Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
Only if you break the law while leaving. 100,000s of
Cubans travel, visit, work, study abroad, outside Cuba,
and they manage to do so legally, with Passports, Visas
and other necessary documents, and they RETURN
to Cuba when their travels are done.
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So, you admit capitalism delivers goods and services communism cannot?
See many goods and services in Haiti?
Changin topic again chimpy.
Your topic jackass, you just don't like the answer
because it completely disposes of your pathetic and absurd
arguments, BoBo.
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Why are the only decent goods and services in Cuba provided by
capitalism?
Too bad arrogant overconsuming materialistic swine
like you don't get to decide what is "decent goods and services".
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Why are they denied to the population?
Waste of capital, unnecessary materialistic greed, to name a few
reasons.
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And the Castro deliberately stops his own population from being part
of it?
That what "communism" is, the cure for abusive, exploitative
capitalism.
LOL. Great 'cure'. That's like curing cancer by shooting the patient.
Great place. No woner thousands risk their lives to flee.
As do 10,000s of Mexicans every single day. So when should
the U$$A embargo and economically destroy Mexico?
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You mean, people who actually lived in that totalitarian shithole
and escaped?
You mean criminals and terrorists who when fugitive to avoid
prosecution
for their crimes?
No, I mean ordinary people seeking freedom.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
It was your greedy hypocritical country that STOPPED
the Muriel Boat lift jackass, thereby denying those
10,000s of Cubans you claim are trapped and suffering
any hope of entry to the USA. Fidel opened the ports
and harbours to anyone who wanted to leave Cuba,
for any reason. It was the U$$A who slammed the door
shut when they determined that "too many" were actually
arriving. So spare us the crocodile tears of concern, scumbag.

The U$$A wouldn't accept even a small porting of Cuban
immigrants any more than they would accept an unlimited
number of Mexicans, Haitians, Dominicans, Nicaraguans,
El Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc.
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Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Hey, when I said for you to ram a banana up your ass, I didn't
mean for you to jam it soooo far up there that it gets stuck,
turning you into a repetitive stammering jackass.
More deep arguments from you and avoiding the topic. Big brain you got
there chimpy.
Sez the chump who thinks Cuba, or any other sovereign country,
should be forced to adopt U$ standards, policies, economics, and politics.
The U$$A didn't even set up a U$ Political system in Iraq, because they
know the U$ system is flawed.
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Not equal, just non-shitty.
Yet like the stammering jackass you are, you keep making utterly
preposterous comparisons of Cuba to the U$A itself, what a
fucking idiot you are.
Yes, it's always good to compare freedom (USA) to slavery (Cuba). It
tends to show commie shitholes in a bad light.
And what of all the Democratic shitholes ? Does the light not shine
on them?
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And they don't seem to have a problem
delivering a higher standard of living to tourists
Not U$ tourists, as the U$A makes it a CRIME, a FELONY,
for it's citizens to freely travel to Cuba, even for visit, or
to render assistance to those poor suffering Cuban's you
feign concern for.
How about letting them leave to actually live in the USA, chimpy? The
USA allows that, and it's the Cuban commies who stop them.
Bullshit. The U$$A and lying scumbags like you pretend to allow
that with your absurd "wet foot, dry foot" rule, but no sane person
believe your pathetic lies. Fact is the U$$A denies entry and RETURNS
to CUBA more wanna be immigrants than it accepts, cause they
know the odds of them actually landing dry foot on US soil are
slim. If you cowardly shitsucker's really gave a fuck about them,
you'd take ALL Cubans, Haitians, Dominicans, etc that managed
to make it to international waters. You lying hypocrites won't
even give them entry if they make it into U$ national waters, in
fact you pathetic repugnant swine will send them back to Fidel if
they make it all the way to Miami Beach and are standing in knee
deep water when caught, you pathetic lying shitsucker.
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Also, how is it that Americans are still able to visit Cuba?
They aren't jackass, it's a felony for a U$ citizen to visit Cuba.
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and commie officials, yet they deliberately deny it to their own people.
Funny, the U$A also treats it's politicians in Washington to a higher
level of privilege and $$ than the average 'murrikkkan could ever
dream of achieving ... and it does so by taking the $$ from those
same poor slob 'murrikkkans ... go ponder that during your
next banana enema.
Well, politicians do tend to get paid with public money all over the
world, and at least in the USA, you can vote for someone else if you
don't like them. Can't do that in Cuba. In fact, you can't even leve
Cuba if you don't like it, Chimpy.
Can't do it in lots of countries, Chump. So when you going to
attack and invade them?
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Nice double-standard you have there, chimpy.
LOL! Sez the KING of double-standards.
Why do you have such a hatred of Cubans, chimpy?
Why won't you let ALL Cubans who want to come
into the U$A, lying fascist swine?
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Going to attack and invade Jamaica for not having
the same living standards as the U$A?
No. What is it with you and delusions, chimpy?
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Lol. Yeah, Castro is so "terrifying" that he can't even throw the
Americans out of Guantanamo. Big scary guy you got there chimpy.
Yet, after 40 years he's still there, and idiot chimps like you
are still whining about it, and the U$A has spent BILLIONS
of dollars trying to destroy Cuba.
If it wanted to "destroy" Cuba, it would take about two days, chimpy.
So then the U$$A wants it to be the way it is. Thanks for clarifying that,
scumquat.
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Personally, I have no problems with trying to destroy a brutal
totalitarian regime. Yet you make excuses for them. Nice going, chimpy.
Then focus on the Criminal Bu$h Junta in D.C., they're far more
dangerous, demonstrably so, to would peace and stability that
anything Fidel could even dream up.
Odd then, that so many people want to move to the US, and nobody wants
to move to Cuba.
ROTFLMAO. Any idea how many foreigners want and do move to Cuba,
eh jackass? You wouldn't know any of course, being your fascist U$$A
won't allow U$ citizens the right and freedom to travel to Cuba, much
less move there.

If no one wants to move or live there, they why are your Miami Mafia
Battistaites all whining and clamouring to return?
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Same way Cuba forces the U$$A to imprison and torture
dissidents.
Well, except that doesn't happen.
Your blatant lies don't make it so.
Please show me examples of people who have been locked up for
criticising Bush.
People who criticise castro in Cuba tend to get locked up.
More utter bullshit from the ignoramus. How many times
you been to Cuba, like exactly, chump?

Here's a newsflash chimp, nearly all the Cuban's I spoke to
in 5 different cities spanning a 2 year period had criticisms of
Fidel and/or the Cuban gov't, as they also had criticisms of
the pig-ignorance of the U$ embargo policy and how
it was doing more harm than good. And none of them
were afraid or hesitant to speak those opinions in public
places, you can't pass a day on the street without hearing
the similar political chatter of discontent you hear in the U$.

Hell, I even had a long discussion with a guy in Camagüey who
hesitantly showed me his old "Communist Party of Cuba" membership
card, and went on to condemn Fidel for selling out Communism
in 1963 and moving the Island Nation into that perversion
he referred to as "socialismo". Now he was timid about
what he was saying, seems Fidel takes a dim view of Communists
and those that would want overthrow the gov't and it's liberal
socialist policies and revolt back to true communism.
Ain't that a kick in the pants, a card carrying Communist complaining
that Fidel Castro had sold out the revolution decades ago
and taken the island to liberal socialism ... see if you can
catch the irony of that reality, chump.


The myths and propaganda you've allowed the Miami Mafia
Battistaites to ram up your ass are just that Chimpy,
myths, lies and propaganda. If you don't believe it, then
get the fuck up off your lazy fat ass and go visit Cuba for
yourself, for an extended period, away from the Havana
tourist areas. Do it you gutless coward, then report back
with some facts.



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Leo J Callaghan
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lol - "countries who don't restrict where their citizens can and
can't visit/travel"....what, like the Cubans themselves.
Looks like Castro got that little ditty from the U$$A itself,
Um, no, he didn't, chimpy.
Funny then that the U$$A is one of the few first-world countries
that denies it's own citizens the right and freedom to travel. So
if Castro didn't get it from the U$$A, then the U$$A decided to
adopt that idea from Cuba? LOL!
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dictating
what countries U$ citizens could or couldn't visit, under penalty
of CRIMINAL prosecution and Imprisonment.
Funny how many Americans are still able to go to Cuba then.
Really? Tried to go there yourself, have you?
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Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
Only if you break the law while leaving. 100,000s of
Cubans travel, visit, work, study abroad, outside Cuba,
and they manage to do so legally, with Passports, Visas
and other necessary documents, and they RETURN
to Cuba when their travels are done.
you never fail to get up off the canvas perfesser

hundreds of thousands? if you don't break the law?
do you have a clue what you are talking about?

you are an ass.
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So, you admit capitalism delivers goods and services communism cannot?
See many goods and services in Haiti?
Changin topic again chimpy.
Your topic jackass, you just don't like the answer
because it completely disposes of your pathetic and absurd
arguments, BoBo.
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Why are the only decent goods and services in Cuba provided by
capitalism?
Too bad arrogant overconsuming materialistic swine
like you don't get to decide what is "decent goods and services".
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Why are they denied to the population?
Waste of capital, unnecessary materialistic greed, to name a few
reasons.
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And the Castro deliberately stops his own population from being part
of it?
That what "communism" is, the cure for abusive, exploitative
capitalism.
LOL. Great 'cure'. That's like curing cancer by shooting the patient.
Great place. No woner thousands risk their lives to flee.
As do 10,000s of Mexicans every single day. So when should
the U$$A embargo and economically destroy Mexico?
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You mean, people who actually lived in that totalitarian shithole
and escaped?
You mean criminals and terrorists who when fugitive to avoid prosecution
for their crimes?
No, I mean ordinary people seeking freedom.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
It was your greedy hypocritical country that STOPPED
the Muriel Boat lift jackass, thereby denying those
10,000s of Cubans you claim are trapped and suffering
any hope of entry to the USA. Fidel opened the ports
and harbours to anyone who wanted to leave Cuba,
for any reason. It was the U$$A who slammed the door
shut when they determined that "too many" were actually
arriving. So spare us the crocodile tears of concern, scumbag.
The U$$A wouldn't accept even a small porting of Cuban
immigrants any more than they would accept an unlimited
number of Mexicans, Haitians, Dominicans, Nicaraguans,
El Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc.
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Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Hey, when I said for you to ram a banana up your ass, I didn't
mean for you to jam it soooo far up there that it gets stuck,
turning you into a repetitive stammering jackass.
More deep arguments from you and avoiding the topic. Big brain you got
there chimpy.
Sez the chump who thinks Cuba, or any other sovereign country,
should be forced to adopt U$ standards, policies, economics, and politics.
The U$$A didn't even set up a U$ Political system in Iraq, because they
know the U$ system is flawed.
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Not equal, just non-shitty.
Yet like the stammering jackass you are, you keep making utterly
preposterous comparisons of Cuba to the U$A itself, what a
fucking idiot you are.
Yes, it's always good to compare freedom (USA) to slavery (Cuba). It
tends to show commie shitholes in a bad light.
And what of all the Democratic shitholes ? Does the light not shine
on them?
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And they don't seem to have a problem
delivering a higher standard of living to tourists
Not U$ tourists, as the U$A makes it a CRIME, a FELONY,
for it's citizens to freely travel to Cuba, even for visit, or
to render assistance to those poor suffering Cuban's you
feign concern for.
How about letting them leave to actually live in the USA, chimpy? The
USA allows that, and it's the Cuban commies who stop them.
Bullshit. The U$$A and lying scumbags like you pretend to allow
that with your absurd "wet foot, dry foot" rule, but no sane person
believe your pathetic lies. Fact is the U$$A denies entry and RETURNS
to CUBA more wanna be immigrants than it accepts, cause they
know the odds of them actually landing dry foot on US soil are
slim. If you cowardly shitsucker's really gave a fuck about them,
you'd take ALL Cubans, Haitians, Dominicans, etc that managed
to make it to international waters. You lying hypocrites won't
even give them entry if they make it into U$ national waters, in
fact you pathetic repugnant swine will send them back to Fidel if
they make it all the way to Miami Beach and are standing in knee
deep water when caught, you pathetic lying shitsucker.
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Also, how is it that Americans are still able to visit Cuba?
They aren't jackass, it's a felony for a U$ citizen to visit Cuba.
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and commie officials, yet they deliberately deny it to their own people.
Funny, the U$A also treats it's politicians in Washington to a higher
level of privilege and $$ than the average 'murrikkkan could ever
dream of achieving ... and it does so by taking the $$ from those
same poor slob 'murrikkkans ... go ponder that during your
next banana enema.
Well, politicians do tend to get paid with public money all over the
world, and at least in the USA, you can vote for someone else if you
don't like them. Can't do that in Cuba. In fact, you can't even leve
Cuba if you don't like it, Chimpy.
Can't do it in lots of countries, Chump. So when you going to
attack and invade them?
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Nice double-standard you have there, chimpy.
LOL! Sez the KING of double-standards.
Why do you have such a hatred of Cubans, chimpy?
Why won't you let ALL Cubans who want to come
into the U$A, lying fascist swine?
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Going to attack and invade Jamaica for not having
the same living standards as the U$A?
No. What is it with you and delusions, chimpy?
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Lol. Yeah, Castro is so "terrifying" that he can't even throw the
Americans out of Guantanamo. Big scary guy you got there chimpy.
Yet, after 40 years he's still there, and idiot chimps like you
are still whining about it, and the U$A has spent BILLIONS
of dollars trying to destroy Cuba.
If it wanted to "destroy" Cuba, it would take about two days, chimpy.
So then the U$$A wants it to be the way it is. Thanks for clarifying that,
scumquat.
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Personally, I have no problems with trying to destroy a brutal
totalitarian regime. Yet you make excuses for them. Nice going, chimpy.
Then focus on the Criminal Bu$h Junta in D.C., they're far more
dangerous, demonstrably so, to would peace and stability that
anything Fidel could even dream up.
Odd then, that so many people want to move to the US, and nobody wants
to move to Cuba.
ROTFLMAO. Any idea how many foreigners want and do move to Cuba,
eh jackass? You wouldn't know any of course, being your fascist U$$A
won't allow U$ citizens the right and freedom to travel to Cuba, much
less move there.
If no one wants to move or live there, they why are your Miami Mafia
Battistaites all whining and clamouring to return?
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Same way Cuba forces the U$$A to imprison and torture
dissidents.
Well, except that doesn't happen.
Your blatant lies don't make it so.
Please show me examples of people who have been locked up for
criticising Bush.
People who criticise castro in Cuba tend to get locked up.
More utter bullshit from the ignoramus. How many times
you been to Cuba, like exactly, chump?
Here's a newsflash chimp, nearly all the Cuban's I spoke to
in 5 different cities spanning a 2 year period had criticisms of
Fidel and/or the Cuban gov't, as they also had criticisms of
the pig-ignorance of the U$ embargo policy and how
it was doing more harm than good. And none of them
were afraid or hesitant to speak those opinions in public
places, you can't pass a day on the street without hearing
the similar political chatter of discontent you hear in the U$.
Hell, I even had a long discussion with a guy in Camagüey who
hesitantly showed me his old "Communist Party of Cuba" membership
card, and went on to condemn Fidel for selling out Communism
in 1963 and moving the Island Nation into that perversion
he referred to as "socialismo". Now he was timid about
what he was saying, seems Fidel takes a dim view of Communists
and those that would want overthrow the gov't and it's liberal
socialist policies and revolt back to true communism.
Ain't that a kick in the pants, a card carrying Communist complaining
that Fidel Castro had sold out the revolution decades ago
and taken the island to liberal socialism ... see if you can
catch the irony of that reality, chump.
The myths and propaganda you've allowed the Miami Mafia
Battistaites to ram up your ass are just that Chimpy,
myths, lies and propaganda. If you don't believe it, then
get the fuck up off your lazy fat ass and go visit Cuba for
yourself, for an extended period, away from the Havana
tourist areas. Do it you gutless coward, then report back
with some facts.
<snip the rest of your redundant off-point drivel>
Leo J Callaghan
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"- Prof. Jonez©" belched more shite
Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
Only if you break the law while leaving. 100,000s of
Cubans travel, visit, work, study abroad, outside Cuba,
and they manage to do so legally, with Passports, Visas
and other necessary documents, and they RETURN
to Cuba when their travels are done.
hey perfesser, read up

http://www.autentico.org/oa09366.php

the thing about cuban's leaving cuba on 'vacations' (the word is
unknown in the 'cuban' language as it applies to the natives) is that
once they leave, they don't come back

like all socialist turds who have never been to cuba you all stupidly
believe it is a paradise. it is not. it is a dictatorship. with a
dick tator that jails people for saying: why?

now be a good dog and shut the eff up and go and lie by the fire
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lol - "countries who don't restrict where their citizens can and
can't visit/travel"....what, like the Cubans themselves.
Looks like Castro got that little ditty from the U$$A itself,
Um, no, he didn't, chimpy.
Funny then that the U$$A is one of the few first-world countries
that denies it's own citizens the right and freedom to travel.
Then why can Americans travel to Cuba, chimpy?
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So
if Castro didn't get it from the U$$A, then the U$$A decided to
adopt that idea from Cuba? LOL!
Wrong on both counts, chimpy.
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dictating
what countries U$ citizens could or couldn't visit, under penalty
of CRIMINAL prosecution and Imprisonment.
Funny how many Americans are still able to go to Cuba then.
Really? Tried to go there yourself, have you?
Well, as I've pointed out to you before dummy, I'm not American.

How stupid are you chimpy?
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Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
Only if you break the law while leaving.
Lol. nice dodge their chimpy. "only if you break the law" - like, for
example, wanting to get the fuck outta Cuba.

100,000s of
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Cubans travel, visit, work, study abroad, outside Cuba,
and they manage to do so legally, with Passports, Visas
and other necessary documents, and they RETURN
to Cuba when their travels are done.
Heh. Yeah. if you've been 'nice' to the government, have family back in
Cuba the commies can effectively hold hostage, and travel to special
government-approved countries.

Let me ask you chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much freedom to travel
as Americans?
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So, you admit capitalism delivers goods and services communism cannot?
See many goods and services in Haiti?
Changin topic again chimpy.
Your topic jackass, you just don't like the answer
because it completely disposes of your pathetic and absurd
arguments, BoBo.
Sorry chimpy, but you *always* change the topic away from Cuba.

Are the luxury goods available in tourist areas provided by capitalism
or not? And why aren't ordinary cubans allowed to access them?

Waiting for your answer chimpy.
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Why are the only decent goods and services in Cuba provided by
capitalism?
Too bad arrogant overconsuming materialistic swine
like you don't get to decide what is "decent goods and services".
Well that's funny, because the nice commies have no problem accepting
those goods n' services for themselves, and letting tourists have them.
Yet they deny them to their own population.

Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
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Why are they denied to the population?
Waste of capital, unnecessary materialistic greed, to name a few
reasons.
So, you think a government should decide what the people should spend
their money on, irregardless of the wishes of those people?

Why are you a totalitarian chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans and want to
deny them their freedom, chimpy?
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LOL. Great 'cure'. That's like curing cancer by shooting the patient.
Great place. No woner thousands risk their lives to flee.
As do 10,000s of Mexicans every single day. So when should
the U$$A embargo and economically destroy Mexico?
Never: Mexico isn't a totalitarian country chimpy.
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No, I mean ordinary people seeking freedom.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
It was your greedy hypocritical country that STOPPED
the Muriel Boat lift jackass
Well, as I've mentioned several times chimpy, I'm not from the US.

How stupid are you chimpy?

, thereby denying those
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10,000s of Cubans you claim are trapped and suffering
any hope of entry to the USA.
LOL. Sure chimpy. Has Castro tried to sell you a fake rolex?

You are aware that the great "boat lift" was an excuse for Castro to
unload his prison population on the Americans?
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Fidel opened the ports
and harbours to anyone who wanted to leave Cuba,
for any reason.
Wrong chimpy.

And haven't you just admitted by default that castro doesn't let people
leave?
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It was the U$$A who slammed the door
shut when they determined that "too many" were actually
arriving. So spare us the crocodile tears of concern, scumbag.
Heh, coming from the guy who supports the Cuban government murdering
dissidents and people who try to leave.

Nice morals you've got there Chimpy.
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The U$$A wouldn't accept even a small porting of Cuban
immigrants any more than they would accept an unlimited
number of Mexicans, Haitians, Dominicans, Nicaraguans,
El Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc.
The USA accepts millions of immigrants chimpy.

Why won't Castro let his people leave if they want?
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More deep arguments from you and avoiding the topic. Big brain you got
there chimpy.
Sez the chump who thinks Cuba, or any other sovereign country,
should be forced to adopt U$ standards, policies, economics, and politics.
Oh, so you think freedom of speech, assembly, travel and democracy
should be denied to the Cuban people?

What the hell is wrong with you chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans so much?
Why shouldn't they have basic freedoms that the Cuban government denies
them?
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Yes, it's always good to compare freedom (USA) to slavery (Cuba). It
tends to show commie shitholes in a bad light.
And what of all the Democratic shitholes ? Does the light not shine
on them?
Well, they're all better off than Cuba for starters chimpy.
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How about letting them leave to actually live in the USA, chimpy? The
USA allows that, and it's the Cuban commies who stop them.
Bullshit. The U$$A and lying scumbags like you pretend to allow
that with your absurd "wet foot, dry foot" rule, but no sane person
believe your pathetic lies.
Sez the guy who swallows commie propaganda. Heh. Nice going chimpy.
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Fact is the U$$A denies entry and RETURNS
to CUBA more wanna be immigrants than it accepts, cause they
know the odds of them actually landing dry foot on US soil are
slim. If you cowardly shitsucker's really gave a fuck about them,
you'd take ALL Cubans, Haitians, Dominicans, etc that managed
to make it to international waters. You lying hypocrites won't
even give them entry if they make it into U$ national waters, in
fact you pathetic repugnant swine will send them back to Fidel if
they make it all the way to Miami Beach and are standing in knee
deep water when caught, you pathetic lying shitsucker.
So, does the USA let in Cuban refugees who make it to land or not,
chimpy?

More to the point, why doesn't Castro allow people to leave, chimpy?
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Also, how is it that Americans are still able to visit Cuba?
They aren't jackass
LOl. you dickhead. Are you aware that the USA is the no.2 source of
visits to Cuba?

And how many of them were jailed for it?

And why won't castro let Cubans travel where they want, chimpy?
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Well, politicians do tend to get paid with public money all over the
world, and at least in the USA, you can vote for someone else if you
don't like them. Can't do that in Cuba. In fact, you can't even leve
Cuba if you don't like it, Chimpy.
Can't do it in lots of countries, Chump.
Hah, you've just admitted Castro doesn't let people leave.

Why doesn't Castro let people leave, chimpy?
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So when you going to
attack and invade them?
Changing topic again to avoid the question chimpy.

Besides, why should they be attacked/invaded?

Why doesn't castro let people leave, chimpy?
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Why do you have such a hatred of Cubans, chimpy?
Why won't you let ALL Cubans who want to come
into the U$A, lying fascist swine?
LOL, your hypocrisy is amazing chimpy.

USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who flee that
totalitarian shithole.

Yet, you support the murder of Cubans who try to leave their own
country, and the murder of dissidents, yet you call other "fascist".
Pot. kettle. black.
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If it wanted to "destroy" Cuba, it would take about two days, chimpy.
So then the U$$A wants it to be the way it is. Thanks for clarifying that,
scumquat.
LOL. Make your mind up chimpy: is the USA trying to "destroy" Cuba or
trying to "leave it the way it is"? I realise it's hard for you to keep
more than idea idea in your head, but you should at least try.
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Then focus on the Criminal Bu$h Junta in D.C., they're far more
dangerous, demonstrably so, to would peace and stability that
anything Fidel could even dream up.
Odd then, that so many people want to move to the US, and nobody wants
to move to Cuba.
ROTFLMAO. Any idea how many foreigners want and do move to Cuba,
eh jackass? You wouldn't know any of course, being your fascist U$$A
won't allow U$ citizens the right and freedom to travel to Cuba, much
less move there.
Then why do so many Americans travel to Cuba, dumbass? I'm sure they
could ask for asylum when they get there. Not surprisingly, they don't.

Even the commies own tourist office said 200,000 US citizens visited
Cuba in 2001 alone, and they're still visiting, chimpy.
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If no one wants to move or live there, they why are your Miami Mafia
Battistaites all whining and clamouring to return?
Because they want their homeland not to be a totalitarian shithole,
dumbass. What is it you're finding hard to understand about this
chimpy?

You might actually be the dumbest person on usenet.
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Please show me examples of people who have been locked up for
criticising Bush.
People who criticise castro in Cuba tend to get locked up.
More utter bullshit from the ignoramus. How many times
you been to Cuba, like exactly, chump?
Zero. I didn't travel to nazi germany either, which according to your
logic means nobody there got imprisoned there.

Logic isn't your strong point, is it chimpy?

Why does Castro lock up political opponents, chimpy? No change of
topic: answer the question.
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Here's a newsflash chimp, nearly all the Cuban's I spoke to
in 5 different cities spanning a 2 year period had criticisms of
Fidel and/or the Cuban gov't, as they also had criticisms of
the pig-ignorance of the U$ embargo policy and how
it was doing more harm than good.
I thought you said people shouldn't have access to those foreign goods
because it was "greedy" and a "waste of capital". So do you think the
embargo should stay or not?
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And none of them
were afraid or hesitant to speak those opinions in public
places, you can't pass a day on the street without hearing
the similar political chatter of discontent you hear in the U$.
Of course, in the US you don't get locked up for criticising the
government, chimpy.

Why does Castro lock up his critics? Waiting for you answer chimpy.
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Hell, I even had a long discussion with a guy in Camagüey who
hesitantly showed me his old "Communist Party of Cuba" membership
card, and went on to condemn Fidel for selling out Communism
in 1963 and moving the Island Nation into that perversion
he referred to as "socialismo". Now he was timid about
what he was saying, seems Fidel takes a dim view of Communists
and those that would want overthrow the gov't and it's liberal
socialist policies and revolt back to true communism.
Ain't that a kick in the pants, a card carrying Communist complaining
that Fidel Castro had sold out the revolution decades ago
and taken the island to liberal socialism ... see if you can
catch the irony of that reality, chump.
Wow, you talked to a commie idiot, good for you.

Did you talk to any fo the political opponents Castro has thrown in
prison, chimpy?
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The myths and propaganda you've allowed the Miami Mafia
Battistaites to ram up your ass are just that Chimpy,
myths, lies and propaganda.
Sure chimpy. Except they're all fact.

(have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro lock him up, Chimpy?)
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If you don't believe it, then
get the fuck up off your lazy fat ass and go visit Cuba for
yourself
Sorry, I don't visit commie totalitarian shitholes.

, for an extended period, away from the Havana
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tourist areas. Do it you gutless coward, then report back
with some facts.
I already have the facts Chimpy. You need to learn some.
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<snip the rest of your redundant off-point drivel>
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?

Now: why does castro imprison his critics?
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lol - "countries who don't restrict where their citizens can
and can't visit/travel"....what, like the Cubans themselves.
Looks like Castro got that little ditty from the U$$A itself,
Um, no, he didn't, chimpy.
Funny then that the U$$A is one of the few first-world countries
that denies it's own citizens the right and freedom to travel.
Then why can Americans travel to Cuba, chimpy?
Why do you lie?
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So
if Castro didn't get it from the U$$A, then the U$$A decided to
adopt that idea from Cuba? LOL!
Wrong on both counts, chimpy.
One of them must be the answer, BoBo.
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dictating
what countries U$ citizens could or couldn't visit, under penalty
of CRIMINAL prosecution and Imprisonment.
Funny how many Americans are still able to go to Cuba then.
Really? Tried to go there yourself, have you?
Well, as I've pointed out to you before dummy, I'm not American.
Which explains why you have so few accurate facts about the U$A,
and it's policies and politics.
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Aparently less than you BoBo.
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Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
Only if you break the law while leaving.
Lol. nice dodge their chimpy. "only if you break the law" - like, for
example, wanting to get the fuck outta Cuba.
Yet, 10,000s do "get out" of Cuba, legally, every year.
Go figure.
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100,000s of
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Cubans travel, visit, work, study abroad, outside Cuba,
and they manage to do so legally, with Passports, Visas
and other necessary documents, and they RETURN
to Cuba when their travels are done.
Heh. Yeah. if you've been 'nice' to the government, have family back
in Cuba the commies can effectively hold hostage, and travel to
special government-approved countries.
Got any more lies and trite propaganda you care to spew, eh chimp?
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Let me ask you chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much freedom to travel
as Americans?
Why aren't U$ citizens allowed to visit Cuba, eh jackass?
Don't hardly sound "free" now does it?
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So, you admit capitalism delivers goods and services communism cannot?
See many goods and services in Haiti?
Changin topic again chimpy.
Your topic jackass, you just don't like the answer
because it completely disposes of your pathetic and absurd
arguments, BoBo.
Sorry chimpy, but you *always* change the topic away from Cuba.
Are the luxury goods available in tourist areas provided by capitalism
or not? And why aren't ordinary cubans allowed to access them?
"Luxury" goods, by definition jackass, aren't necessities.
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Waiting for your answer chimpy.
Waiting for a cogent argument from you, BoBo.
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Why are the only decent goods and services in Cuba provided by
capitalism?
Too bad arrogant overconsuming materialistic swine
like you don't get to decide what is "decent goods and services".
Well that's funny, because the nice commies have no problem accepting
those goods n' services for themselves,
Aren't all Cubans "commies" in your fantastical world?
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and letting tourists have them.
What country denies such things to tourists who visit?
Do you even have a fucking point, or do you
simply like to spew inane irrelevant questions
whilst crammin' bananas up your ass?
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Yet they deny them to their own population.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
Why does the U$$A DENY Cubans entry and RETURN
them to Castro by the 100s every year?
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Why are they denied to the population?
Waste of capital, unnecessary materialistic greed, to name a few
reasons.
So, you think a government should decide what the people should spend
their money on, irregardless of the wishes of those people?
Like the U$$A deciding that U$ citizens who spend $$ on Cuban goods
are FELONS and should be imprisoned?
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Why are you a totalitarian chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans and want to
deny them their freedom, chimpy?
Got any more self-contradictory idiocies you care to spew, BoBo?
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LOL. Great 'cure'. That's like curing cancer by shooting the patient.
Great place. No woner thousands risk their lives to flee.
As do 10,000s of Mexicans every single day. So when should
the U$$A embargo and economically destroy Mexico?
Never: Mexico isn't a totalitarian country chimpy.
So if the country is "totalitarian", then the U$A should
embargo and economically destroy it, right?
Do you specialize in making yourself look like
a stammering idiot, or does someone help you
with that shtick?
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No, I mean ordinary people seeking freedom.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
It was your greedy hypocritical country that STOPPED
the Muriel Boat lift jackass
Well, as I've mentioned several times chimpy, I'm not from the US.
Obviously, since you don't seem to know fuck all about
the foreign policies or applied politics surrounding Cuba.
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Quite aparently less than you are.
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, thereby denying those
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10,000s of Cubans you claim are trapped and suffering
any hope of entry to the USA.
LOL. Sure chimpy. Has Castro tried to sell you a fake rolex?
You are aware that the great "boat lift" was an excuse for Castro to
unload his prison population on the Americans?
Why isn't it surprising that you'd spew more Miami Mafia lies
and propaganda. Wouldn't someone who was an enemy of
Fidel, and in prison there, actually be an ally of the U$A?
Or are you now going to admit that Fidel's prisons have
"real" criminals in them ....? ROTFLMAO!

The U$$A slammed the door shut in 10,000s of
honest, innocent Cubans who were trying to
hitch a ride during the Muriel Boat lift, hitch a
ride from pirating greedy profiteering U$ "capitalists"
boat captains who swarmed to the island only to
demand and charge upwards of $10,000 per head
to bring them a scant 90 miles across the straights
of Florida. Yeah, real compassion and caring there
you shitsucking fascist.
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Fidel opened the ports
and harbours to anyone who wanted to leave Cuba,
for any reason.
Wrong chimpy.
Sez the shitbag who defends a U$ policy that causes
the citizens of Cuba to suffer, and denies U$ citizens
the freedom to travel to Cuba, and that RETURNS to
Cuba any and all fleeing Cubans found at sea, returns
1000s right back to Fidel ! What a phoney lowlife
cocksucker you really are, chump.
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And haven't you just admitted by default that castro doesn't let
people leave?
Your conclusion, and your claimed fact, is demonstable false.
1000s of Cubans expatriate, legally, every year.
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It was the U$$A who slammed the door
shut when they determined that "too many" were actually
arriving. So spare us the crocodile tears of concern, scumbag.
Heh, coming from the guy who supports the Cuban government murdering
dissidents
Like the U$$A murders 100,000+ innocent, unarmed Iraqi civilians ... in
ONE YEAR !
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and people who try to leave.
Nice morals you've got there Chimpy.
You'd need to have any before you could even beging to
judge, you hypocitical shitsucking scumbag.
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The U$$A wouldn't accept even a small porting of Cuban
immigrants any more than they would accept an unlimited
number of Mexicans, Haitians, Dominicans, Nicaraguans,
El Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc.
The USA accepts millions of immigrants chimpy.
Not from Cuba if found at sea, not from Haiti, not from any of
the countries listed above even if they make it to dry land,
you lying asswipe.
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Why won't Castro let his people leave if they want?
Why won't Bu$h let his people visit Cuba and assist
those poor Cubans you claim to care so much about?
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More deep arguments from you and avoiding the topic. Big brain
you got there chimpy.
Sez the chump who thinks Cuba, or any other sovereign country,
should be forced to adopt U$ standards, policies, economics, and politics.
Oh, so you think freedom of speech, assembly, travel and democracy
should be denied to the Cuban people?
If it's good enough for the U$$A to deny it, being that bastion of
"freedom and democracy", why shouldn't other countries follow
the U$A's lead?
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What the hell is wrong with you chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans so much?
Why won't you allow ALL Cubans into the U$$A whether or not
they make it to dry land? What kind of sick fuck are you and Bu$h
to send Cubans who make it all the way to within yards of
Miami Beach BACK to Fidel?
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Why shouldn't they have basic freedoms that the Cuban government
denies them?
Why shouldn't U$ citizens have the freedoms that the U$ government
denies them? Why shouldn't the 1000s of innocents being held incommunicado
at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and other secret U$ concentration, torture and
murder camps have the basic rights of humanity?
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Yes, it's always good to compare freedom (USA) to slavery (Cuba).
It tends to show commie shitholes in a bad light.
And what of all the Democratic shitholes ? Does the light not shine
on them?
Well, they're all better off than Cuba for starters chimpy.
Your pathetic demonstrably false lies illustrate you to
be the fanatical lying shitsucker that you really are.
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How about letting them leave to actually live in the USA, chimpy?
The USA allows that, and it's the Cuban commies who stop them.
Bullshit. The U$$A and lying scumbags like you pretend to allow
that with your absurd "wet foot, dry foot" rule, but no sane person
believe your pathetic lies.
Sez the guy who swallows commie propaganda. Heh. Nice going chimpy.
Send any Cubans back to Fidel lately, eh fascist swine?
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Fact is the U$$A denies entry and RETURNS
to CUBA more wanna be immigrants than it accepts, cause they
know the odds of them actually landing dry foot on US soil are
slim. If you cowardly shitsucker's really gave a fuck about them,
you'd take ALL Cubans, Haitians, Dominicans, etc that managed
to make it to international waters. You lying hypocrites won't
even give them entry if they make it into U$ national waters, in
fact you pathetic repugnant swine will send them back to Fidel if
they make it all the way to Miami Beach and are standing in knee
deep water when caught, you pathetic lying shitsucker.
So, does the USA let in Cuban refugees who make it to land or not,
chimpy?
So do the vast majority of Cuban refugees get sent right back to Fidel
or not, you lowlife lying shitstain?
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More to the point, why doesn't Castro allow people to leave, chimpy?
Even more on point, why doesn't the U$$A allow it's citizens to visit
Cuba, eh punk boy?
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Also, how is it that Americans are still able to visit Cuba?
They aren't jackass
LOl. you dickhead. Are you aware that the USA is the no.2 source of
visits to Cuba?
You lie yet again you lowlife shitsucking puke. Germany was #2 in
tourists visits to Cuba, just behind Canada.

Are you a pathological liar, or do you get paid to lie?
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And how many of them were jailed for it?
And why won't castro let Cubans travel where they want, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A let U$ citizens travel where they want, eh puke?
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Well, politicians do tend to get paid with public money all over
the world, and at least in the USA, you can vote for someone else
if you don't like them. Can't do that in Cuba. In fact, you can't
even leve Cuba if you don't like it, Chimpy.
Can't do it in lots of countries, Chump.
Hah, you've just admitted Castro doesn't let people leave.
Only in your pathetically dysfunctional mind, BoBo.
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Why doesn't Castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doen't the U$A let ALL Cubans stay, eh fascist?
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So when you going to
attack and invade them?
Changing topic again to avoid the question chimpy.
You're questions are still inane and off-point, chump.
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Besides, why should they be attacked/invaded?
Why sould Cuba be attacked/invaded?
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Why doesn't castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A accept all Cuban refugees, eh scumsucker?
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Why do you have such a hatred of Cubans, chimpy?
Why won't you let ALL Cubans who want to come
into the U$A, lying fascist swine?
LOL, your hypocrisy is amazing chimpy.
Sez the lowlife scumbag who supports sending
refugees back.
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USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who flee that
totalitarian shithole.
Why do you lie? The U$A sends more Cuban refugees back to
Cuba than it allows to stay, you hypocritical cocksucking fascist swine.
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Yet, you support the murder of Cubans who try to leave their own
country, and the murder of dissidents, yet you call other "fascist".
Pot. kettle. black.
So which are you, jackass?
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If it wanted to "destroy" Cuba, it would take about two days, chimpy.
So then the U$$A wants it to be the way it is. Thanks for
clarifying that, scumquat.
LOL. Make your mind up chimpy: is the USA trying to "destroy" Cuba or
trying to "leave it the way it is"?
Yep, another one of your preposterous self-contradictory corners
you painted yourself into with your absurdly false, rabid-blind
Miami Mafia propaganda.
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I realise it's hard for you to
keep more than idea idea in your head, but you should at least try.
Your dodge ain't working, you played yourself for a chump once again.
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Then focus on the Criminal Bu$h Junta in D.C., they're far more
dangerous, demonstrably so, to would peace and stability that
anything Fidel could even dream up.
Odd then, that so many people want to move to the US, and nobody
wants to move to Cuba.
ROTFLMAO. Any idea how many foreigners want and do move to Cuba,
eh jackass? You wouldn't know any of course, being your fascist U$$A
won't allow U$ citizens the right and freedom to travel to Cuba,
much less move there.
Then why do so many Americans travel to Cuba, dumbass?
U$ Criminals and Felons? Why don't you ask them?
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I'm sure they
could ask for asylum when they get there. Not surprisingly, they don't.
Yet, surprisingly they'd go to a "communist shithole" in the first place,
eh? LOL!
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Even the commies own tourist office said 200,000 US citizens visited
Cuba in 2001 alone, and they're still visiting, chimpy.
So now you trust what Fidel says, eh scumquat?

Call the U$ Dept. of Treasury and see if they issued 200,000
special permits to U$ citizens to visit Cuba, chimp, then go
cram another banana up your ass for being such an imbecile.
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If no one wants to move or live there, they why are your Miami Mafia
Battistaites all whining and clamouring to return?
Because they want their homeland not to be a totalitarian shithole,
dumbass. What is it you're finding hard to understand about this
chimpy?
LOL, yeah the Miami Mafia Battistaites long for the "good ole' days" ...
too bad the common citizens of Cuba decided they were such corrupt,
perverted, exploitative, murderous swine that they needed to be pushed
into the sea, by any means necessary.
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You might actually be the dumbest person on usenet.
Yet, in your case there is no doubt.
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Please show me examples of people who have been locked up for
criticising Bush.
People who criticise castro in Cuba tend to get locked up.
More utter bullshit from the ignoramus. How many times
you been to Cuba, like exactly, chump?
Zero. I didn't travel to nazi germany either, which according to your
logic means nobody there got imprisoned there.
Speak English much, eh chimp?
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Why does Castro lock up political opponents, chimpy? No change of
topic: answer the question.
Why does the U$$A lock up 1000s of innocent civilians, incommunicado,
in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture and kill them?
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Here's a newsflash chimp, nearly all the Cuban's I spoke to
in 5 different cities spanning a 2 year period had criticisms of
Fidel and/or the Cuban gov't, as they also had criticisms of
the pig-ignorance of the U$ embargo policy and how
it was doing more harm than good.
I thought you said people shouldn't have access to those foreign goods
because it was "greedy" and a "waste of capital". So do you think the
embargo should stay or not?
Ironically, the embargo is what kept capitalism from ruining
Cuba, from becoming just another capitalist shithole suburb of
Miami. If you want to destroy Fidel/Socialism completely, lift the
immoral embargo entirely, if you want the Cuban people to
suffer, then continue with the misguided, immoral policies
of the last 40 years.
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And none of them
were afraid or hesitant to speak those opinions in public
places, you can't pass a day on the street without hearing
the similar political chatter of discontent you hear in the U$.
Of course, in the US you don't get locked up for criticising the
government, chimpy.
You keep moving the goal posts chimp, you're already out of the
stadium.
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Why does Castro lock up his critics? Waiting for you answer chimpy.
Maybe they ask too many inane, repetetive, absurd questions like
you do?
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Hell, I even had a long discussion with a guy in Camagüey who
hesitantly showed me his old "Communist Party of Cuba" membership
card, and went on to condemn Fidel for selling out Communism
in 1963 and moving the Island Nation into that perversion
he referred to as "socialismo". Now he was timid about
what he was saying, seems Fidel takes a dim view of Communists
and those that would want overthrow the gov't and it's liberal
socialist policies and revolt back to true communism.
Ain't that a kick in the pants, a card carrying Communist
complaining that Fidel Castro had sold out the revolution decades
ago
and taken the island to liberal socialism ... see if you can
catch the irony of that reality, chump.
Wow, you talked to a commie idiot, good for you.
Did you talk to any fo the political opponents Castro has thrown in
prison, chimpy?
Re-read the story you stamming simpleton, and try and pay attention
even if you can't swallow the facts.
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The myths and propaganda you've allowed the Miami Mafia
Battistaites to ram up your ass are just that Chimpy,
myths, lies and propaganda.
Sure chimpy. Except they're all fact.
(have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro lock him up, Chimpy?)
Have you heard of Orlando Bosch ? Why did Bu$h give refuge to
a terrorist who blows up civilian airliners?
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If you don't believe it, then
get the fuck up off your lazy fat ass and go visit Cuba for
yourself
Sorry, I don't visit commie totalitarian shitholes.
Yet, as you claim, 200,000 U$ civilians do. Why is that, chimp?
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, for an extended period, away from the Havana
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tourist areas. Do it you gutless coward, then report back
with some facts.
I already have the facts Chimpy. You need to learn some.
The only thing you got is your limp raw dick in your hand, like
any other masturbating chimpanzee.
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<snip the rest of your redundant off-point drivel>
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Now: why does castro imprison his critics?
Why does the U$A send terrorists and criminal agents down
there to destabilize Cuba?
Tex
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Funny then that the U$$A is one of the few first-world countries
that denies it's own citizens the right and freedom to travel.
Then why can Americans travel to Cuba, chimpy?
Why do you lie?
Even the *Cubans* admit 200,000 USA folks visited Cuba in one year, chimpy.

Now, why do you continue to lie?
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So
if Castro didn't get it from the U$$A, then the U$$A decided to
adopt that idea from Cuba? LOL!
Wrong on both counts, chimpy.
One of them must be the answer, BoBo.
Not if both of them are wrong chimpy.
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Really? Tried to go there yourself, have you?
Well, as I've pointed out to you before dummy, I'm not American.
Which explains why you have so few accurate facts about the U$A,
and it's policies and politics.
All my facts are true chimpy.

You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba. You're
quite dumb, chimpy.
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Aparently less than you BoBo.
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba. You're
quite dumb, chimpy.
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Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
Only if you break the law while leaving.
Lol. nice dodge their chimpy. "only if you break the law" - like, for
example, wanting to get the fuck outta Cuba.
Yet, 10,000s do "get out" of Cuba, legally, every year.
Go figure.
And lots more are denied. Go figure.

WHy does Castro stop them from leaving chimpy? Why can't you answer this
question?
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100,000s of
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Cubans travel, visit, work, study abroad, outside Cuba,
and they manage to do so legally, with Passports, Visas
and other necessary documents, and they RETURN
to Cuba when their travels are done.
Heh. Yeah. if you've been 'nice' to the government, have family back
in Cuba the commies can effectively hold hostage, and travel to
special government-approved countries.
Got any more lies and trite propaganda you care to spew, eh chimp?
Can't refute fact I see. Good going chimpy.
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Let me ask you chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much freedom to travel
as Americans?
Why aren't U$ citizens allowed to visit Cuba, eh jackass?
Don't hardly sound "free" now does it?
You avoided yet another question chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much
freedom to travel as Americans?

Too scared to answer the question chimpy?

You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba. You're
quite dumb, chimpy.
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Sorry chimpy, but you *always* change the topic away from Cuba.
Are the luxury goods available in tourist areas provided by capitalism
or not? And why aren't ordinary cubans allowed to access them?
"Luxury" goods, by definition jackass, aren't necessities.
They are to the Cubans, chimpy, because they don't have the "necessities".

Tell me something chimpy, why are you so upset about the embargo if Cubans
don't need those luxury goods, eh chimpy?

Not only are you an idiot, you're a hypocrite as well.
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Waiting for your answer chimpy.
Waiting for a cogent argument from you, BoBo.
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
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Well that's funny, because the nice commies have no problem accepting
those goods n' services for themselves,
Aren't all Cubans "commies" in your fantastical world?
Nope, just the government and their lackeys, chimpy.
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and letting tourists have them.
What country denies such things to tourists who visit?
What country denies them to their own population, chimpy? Cuba does.

Why do you hate Cubans, chimpy?
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Do you even have a fucking point, or do you
simply like to spew inane irrelevant questions
whilst crammin' bananas up your ass?
You seem to have a banana-anus fetish. Must be a commie thing.
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Yet they deny them to their own population.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
Why does the U$$A DENY Cubans entry and RETURN
them to Castro by the 100s every year?
Well, I guess they can't process the massive numbers who are desperate to
escape that shithole chimpy.

Why are so many people desperate to leave, eh chimpy?
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So, you think a government should decide what the people should spend
their money on, irregardless of the wishes of those people?
Like the U$$A deciding that U$ citizens who spend $$ on Cuban goods
are FELONS and should be imprisoned?
WHo gets imprisoned for buying Cuban goods chimpy?

And why aren't Cubans allowed access to ANY goods?
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Why are you a totalitarian chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans and want to
deny them their freedom, chimpy?
Got any more self-contradictory idiocies you care to spew, BoBo?
They are simple questions chimpy: you support a totalitarian government who
murder their own population and deny them the basic freedoms.

Therefore, you must hate the Cuban people. WHy do you hate them chimpy? Why
do you think they don't deserve basic freedoms?
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Never: Mexico isn't a totalitarian country chimpy.
So if the country is "totalitarian", then the U$A should
embargo and economically destroy it, right?
Yep.
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Do you specialize in making yourself look like
a stammering idiot, or does someone help you
with that shtick?
Do you specialise in being unable to answer simple questions chimpy?
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No, I mean ordinary people seeking freedom.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
It was your greedy hypocritical country that STOPPED
the Muriel Boat lift jackass
Well, as I've mentioned several times chimpy, I'm not from the US.
Obviously, since you don't seem to know fuck all about
the foreign policies or applied politics surrounding Cuba.
Yet you can never refute the facts I post, or even answer direct questions.

Here's one: why does Castro imprison his critics?
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Quite aparently less than you are.
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba. You're
quite dumb, chimpy.
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, thereby denying those
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10,000s of Cubans you claim are trapped and suffering
any hope of entry to the USA.
LOL. Sure chimpy. Has Castro tried to sell you a fake rolex?
You are aware that the great "boat lift" was an excuse for Castro to
unload his prison population on the Americans?
Why isn't it surprising that you'd spew more Miami Mafia lies
and propaganda. Wouldn't someone who was an enemy of
Fidel, and in prison there, actually be an ally of the U$A?
Not if they were just common criminals Castro wanted to unload, chimpy.
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Or are you now going to admit that Fidel's prisons have
"real" criminals in them ....? ROTFLMAO!
Of course they do. Unfortunately, like all totalitarian shitholes, they also
have thousands of non-criminals
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The U$$A slammed the door shut in 10,000s of
honest, innocent Cubans who were trying to
hitch a ride during the Muriel Boat lift, hitch a
ride from pirating greedy profiteering U$ "capitalists"
boat captains who swarmed to the island only to
demand and charge upwards of $10,000 per head
to bring them a scant 90 miles across the straights
of Florida. Yeah, real compassion and caring there
you shitsucking fascist.
Lol. Says the person who supports murdering those same people.

Can you ever keep more than one thought in your head at one time, chimpy?

You're the only one here who supports fascism, chimpy.
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Fidel opened the ports
and harbours to anyone who wanted to leave Cuba,
for any reason.
Wrong chimpy.
Sez the shitbag who defends a U$ policy that causes
the citizens of Cuba to suffer,
Lol. Hang on, you said Cubans didn't need those "luxury" goods. Now you're
saying they denying them is making them "suffer". Heh. Make up your mind
fuckstick.

Do Cubans need those embargoed goods or not? Answer the question chimpy.
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and denies U$ citizens
the freedom to travel to Cuba
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba. You're
quite dumb, chimpy.
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, and that RETURNS to
Cuba any and all fleeing Cubans found at sea, returns
1000s right back to Fidel !
Why would that bother you? You think Fidel is great.
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What a phoney lowlife
cocksucker you really are, chump.
Says the guy who supports Castro murdering his own people.

You'd make a good nazi, if you weren't such a dumbass, chimpy.
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And haven't you just admitted by default that castro doesn't let
people leave?
Your conclusion, and your claimed fact, is demonstable false.
1000s of Cubans expatriate, legally, every year.
And thousands more aren't allowed to. Why doesn't Castro let them leave
chimpy?
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It was the U$$A who slammed the door
shut when they determined that "too many" were actually
arriving. So spare us the crocodile tears of concern, scumbag.
Heh, coming from the guy who supports the Cuban government murdering
dissidents
Like the U$$A murders 100,000+ innocent, unarmed Iraqi civilians ... in
ONE YEAR !
DOes that figure include the ones killed by the "resistance" trying to
overthrow democracy?

And you're avoiding the point again chimpy: why do you support the murder of
people who try to leave Cuba?
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Nice morals you've got there Chimpy.
You'd need to have any before you could even beging to
judge, you hypocitical shitsucking scumbag.
Yes, I have morals: I don't support a commie dictator who murders his own
people, chimpy.

Why do you support a murdering dictator chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans so
much chimpy?
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The USA accepts millions of immigrants chimpy.
Not from Cuba if found at sea, not from Haiti, not from any of
the countries listed above even if they make it to dry land,
you lying asswipe.
The USA does accept millions of immigrant chimpy - that isn't a "lie"

Now, why does Castro murder people who try to leave Cuba, and why does he
imprison people who criticise him?
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Why won't Castro let his people leave if they want?
Why won't Bu$h let his people visit Cuba and assist
those poor Cubans you claim to care so much about?
Avoiding the question yet again chimpy: Why won't Castro let his people
leave if they want?

Why are you too scared to answer this question chimpy?

You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba. You're
quite dumb, chimpy. How many of them are murdered or imprisoned?
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Oh, so you think freedom of speech, assembly, travel and democracy
should be denied to the Cuban people?
If it's good enough for the U$$A to deny it
Stop lying chimpy.

USA citizens can vote in free elections, Cubans cannot
USA citizens can travel freely, Cubans cannot
USA citizens have freedom of assembly, Cubans don't
Cubans get thrown in jail for criticising their government, Americans don't.
USA has non-government media which can criticise the government, Cuba
doesn't.

There chimpy.

Now, why do you think freedom of speech, assembly, travel and democracy
should be denied to the Cuban people?

Straight answer now chimpy, don't dodge the question.
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What the hell is wrong with you chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans so much?
Why won't you allow ALL Cubans into the U$$A whether or not
they make it to dry land? What kind of sick fuck are you and Bu$h
to send Cubans who make it all the way to within yards of
Miami Beach BACK to Fidel?
Lol. You really can't make your mind up, can you chimpy? You think Cuba is
great, you support Castro murdering people who try to leave, but you're
outraged the USA sends some back to Fidel.

You're a compelte schitzoid, chimpy.
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Why shouldn't they have basic freedoms that the Cuban government
denies them?
Why shouldn't U$ citizens have the freedoms that the U$ government
denies them?
They have more freedom in *every* aspect of life than *any* ordinary Cuban.
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Why shouldn't the 1000s of innocents being held incommunicado
at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and other secret U$ concentration, torture and
murder camps have the basic rights of humanity?
There's a war on, and they're foreign terrorists.

Why does Castro do those things to his own people, on a much larger scale?
Answer that one chimpy.
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Yes, it's always good to compare freedom (USA) to slavery (Cuba).
It tends to show commie shitholes in a bad light.
And what of all the Democratic shitholes ? Does the light not shine
on them?
Well, they're all better off than Cuba for starters chimpy.
Your pathetic demonstrably false lies illustrate you to
be the fanatical lying shitsucker that you really are.
Your continuing inability to refute any point is noted chimpy.
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How about letting them leave to actually live in the USA, chimpy?
The USA allows that, and it's the Cuban commies who stop them.
Bullshit. The U$$A and lying scumbags like you pretend to allow
that with your absurd "wet foot, dry foot" rule, but no sane person
believe your pathetic lies.
Sez the guy who swallows commie propaganda. Heh. Nice going chimpy.
Send any Cubans back to Fidel lately, eh fascist swine?
Personally? No.

Why do you support Castro murdering those same people, eh fascist swine? You
really are schitzo.
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So, does the USA let in Cuban refugees who make it to land or not,
chimpy?
So do the vast majority of Cuban refugees get sent right back to Fidel
or not, you lowlife lying shitstain?
Way too many get turned back, but those who make it to land get accepted,
and taste freedom for the first time in their lives.

Now chimpy, why do you support Castro murdering those same people? Why are
you upset about the fate of people you think should be killed anyway? Care
to explain this contradiction, eh schitzochimp?
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More to the point, why doesn't Castro allow people to leave, chimpy?
Even more on point, why doesn't the U$$A allow it's citizens to visit
Cuba, eh punk boy?
They want to economically strangulate the commie regime.

You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba. And,
unlike Cuba, their government doesn't try to stop them from leaving chimpy.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
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LOl. you dickhead. Are you aware that the USA is the no.2 source of
visits to Cuba?
You lie yet again you lowlife shitsucking puke. Germany was #2 in
tourists visits to Cuba, just behind Canada.
My apologies chimpy, and "2nd" figure was from 2001. And it comes from the
Cubans themselves, chimpy.

Now, did 200,000 USA citizens visit Cuba or not, chimpy?
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Are you a pathological liar, or do you get paid to lie?
Youre still pretending that people from the USA don't travel to Cuba.
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And how many of them were jailed for it?
And why won't castro let Cubans travel where they want, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A let U$ citizens travel where they want, eh puke?
They do chimpy, as the 200,000 who travelled to Cuba in one year can tell
you.

And even if they hadn't, they can travel elsewhere at will. Cubans can't.
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Well, politicians do tend to get paid with public money all over
the world, and at least in the USA, you can vote for someone else
if you don't like them. Can't do that in Cuba. In fact, you can't
even leve Cuba if you don't like it, Chimpy.
Can't do it in lots of countries, Chump.
Hah, you've just admitted Castro doesn't let people leave.
Only in your pathetically dysfunctional mind, BoBo.
So, does Castro let any Cuban leave if they want to? Waiting for you answer
chimpy.
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Why doesn't Castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doen't the U$A let ALL Cubans stay, eh fascist?
They should, apart from spies and common crooks.

Now, back to the question you keep avoiding over and over: Why doesn't
Castro let people leave, chimpy?
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So when you going to
attack and invade them?
Changing topic again to avoid the question chimpy.
You're questions are still inane and off-point, chump.
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
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Besides, why should they be attacked/invaded?
Why sould Cuba be attacked/invaded?
well, it isn't being attacked/invaded chimpy.
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Why doesn't castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A accept all Cuban refugees, eh scumsucker?
They should, apart from spies and common crooks.

Now, back to the question you keep avoiding over and over: Why doesn't
Castro let people leave, chimpy?
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Why do you have such a hatred of Cubans, chimpy?
Why won't you let ALL Cubans who want to come
into the U$A, lying fascist swine?
LOL, your hypocrisy is amazing chimpy.
Sez the lowlife scumbag who supports sending
refugees back.
Well, I don't chimpy......and yet you support *murdering* them, yet you're
concerned about them being "sent back". heheheh....make your mind up
fucktard.
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USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who flee that
totalitarian shithole.
Why do you lie?
I'm not: USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who flee
that totalitarian shithole.

Tell me chimpy: where did the Cubans in Miami come from?
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The U$A sends more Cuban refugees back to
Cuba than it allows to stay, you hypocritical cocksucking fascist swine.
Lol, love the way you use the word "hypocrite" when you support murdering
those same people chimpy.
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Yet, you support the murder of Cubans who try to leave their own
country, and the murder of dissidents, yet you call other "fascist".
Pot. kettle. black.
So which are you, jackass?
None. You are all three, you hypocritical schitzoid chimpy.
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LOL. Make your mind up chimpy: is the USA trying to "destroy" Cuba or
trying to "leave it the way it is"?
Yep, another one of your preposterous self-contradictory corners
you painted yourself into with your absurdly false, rabid-blind
Miami Mafia propaganda.
Strange then, that you still cannot answer direct questions, or refute any
facts I post.
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I realise it's hard for you to
keep more than idea idea in your head, but you should at least try.
Your dodge ain't working, you played yourself for a chump once again.
I'm telling the truth, posting facts, and answering questions chimpy. You're
avoiding questions, changing topics and openly supporting the murder of
cubans, chimpy.
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Then why do so many Americans travel to Cuba, dumbass?
U$ Criminals and Felons? Why don't you ask them?
Proof that they are "criminals and felons". Or did you just make that up
like everything else you lie about?
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I'm sure they
could ask for asylum when they get there. Not surprisingly, they don't.
Yet, surprisingly they'd go to a "communist shithole" in the first place,
eh? LOL!
Indeed. Who'd want to go to that shithole? Must be leftist idiots.

BTW, are you now admitting USA citizens can travel to Cuba?
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Even the commies own tourist office said 200,000 US citizens visited
Cuba in 2001 alone, and they're still visiting, chimpy.
So now you trust what Fidel says, eh scumquat?
No, but if even the Cubans admit that Americans are able to visit, it makes
your reality denial look a little stupid doesn't it chimpy?
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Call the U$ Dept. of Treasury and see if they issued 200,000
special permits to U$ citizens to visit Cuba, chimp, then go
cram another banana up your ass for being such an imbecile.
What is it with you and the anus/banana fetish?

Yes or no: did 200,000 USA folks travel to Cuba? Answer the question chimpy.
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Because they want their homeland not to be a totalitarian shithole,
dumbass. What is it you're finding hard to understand about this
chimpy?
LOL, yeah the Miami Mafia Battistaites long for the "good ole' days" ...
Compared to Castro, they WERE the 'good old days'. At the very least, people
were allowed to leave if they didn't like it.

Why aren't Cubans allowed to leave now chimpy?
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too bad the common citizens of Cuba decided they were such corrupt,
perverted, exploitative, murderous swine that they needed to be pushed
into the sea, by any means necessary.
Good for them. Pity they replaced him with Fidel, who murders and tortures
and oppresses mroe than batista could ever dream about.
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You might actually be the dumbest person on usenet.
Yet, in your case there is no doubt.
Yet, I'm the only one of us who knew Americans still travelled to Cuba.
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People who criticise castro in Cuba tend to get locked up.
More utter bullshit from the ignoramus. How many times
you been to Cuba, like exactly, chump?
Zero. I didn't travel to nazi germany either, which according to your
logic means nobody there got imprisoned there.
Speak English much, eh chimp?
Continuing use of non-sequiters noted, chimpy.
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Why does Castro lock up political opponents, chimpy? No change of
topic: answer the question.
Why does the U$$A lock up 1000s of innocent civilians, incommunicado,
in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture and kill them?
They've "tortured and killed" 'thousands'? Better lay off the bong chimpy.
There are people in jail, they're called islamist terrorists. This is the
best counter-example you can think of?

Why does Castro lock up 1000s of his OWN innocent civilians, incommunicado,
in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture and kill them?

You still haven't answered that question chimpy.
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I thought you said people shouldn't have access to those foreign goods
because it was "greedy" and a "waste of capital". So do you think the
embargo should stay or not?
Ironically, the embargo is what kept capitalism from ruining
Cuba, from becoming just another capitalist shithole suburb of
Miami. If you want to destroy Fidel/Socialism completely, lift the
immoral embargo entirely, if you want the Cuban people to
suffer, then continue with the misguided, immoral policies
of the last 40 years.
Lol - so now you admit the Cubans should allow their own people to access
capitalism, just like their leadership and the tourist zones do?

You really are a schitzo.
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And none of them
were afraid or hesitant to speak those opinions in public
places, you can't pass a day on the street without hearing
the similar political chatter of discontent you hear in the U$.
Of course, in the US you don't get locked up for criticising the
government, chimpy.
You keep moving the goal posts chimp, you're already out of the
stadium.
...and you never answer direct questions chimpy.
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Why does Castro lock up his critics? Waiting for you answer chimpy.
Maybe they ask too many inane, repetetive, absurd questions like
you do?
Because you never answer them, so here it is again chimpy:

Why does Castro lock up his critics?
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Wow, you talked to a commie idiot, good for you.
Did you talk to any fo the political opponents Castro has thrown in
prison, chimpy?
Re-read the story you stamming simpleton, and try and pay attention
even if you can't swallow the facts.
Did you talk to any of the political opponents Castro has thrown in prison,
chimpy?

Seem like Cubans aren't free to speak after all.

Why can't you deal with reality chimpy? Why are Cubans imprisoned for
criticising Castro, eh chimpy?
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The myths and propaganda you've allowed the Miami Mafia
Battistaites to ram up your ass are just that Chimpy,
myths, lies and propaganda.
Sure chimpy. Except they're all fact.
(have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro lock him up, Chimpy?)
Have you heard of Orlando Bosch ?
Yes.

Now, answer my question: have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro lock
him up, Chimpy?
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Why did Bu$h give refuge to
a terrorist who blows up civilian airliners?
Dunno, I don't think they should if that's true. Though, given the Cuban
government's habit of murdering their own people, why would they even be
worried about Orlando Bosch?
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If you don't believe it, then
get the fuck up off your lazy fat ass and go visit Cuba for
yourself
Sorry, I don't visit commie totalitarian shitholes.
Yet, as you claim, 200,000 U$ civilians do. Why is that, chimp?
Why don't you ask them, they're the ones travelling there chimpy.

And even the *Cubans* admit that americans travel there.
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, for an extended period, away from the Havana
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tourist areas. Do it you gutless coward, then report back
with some facts.
I already have the facts Chimpy. You need to learn some.
The only thing you got is your limp raw dick in your hand, like
any other masturbating chimpanzee.
Eh, keep your pervert fetishes to yourself chimpy.
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<snip the rest of your redundant off-point drivel>
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Now: why does castro imprison his critics?
Why does the U$A send terrorists and criminal agents down
there to destabilize Cuba?
Because it's a totalitarian shithole, and they don't send "terrorists".

Now, why does castro imprison his critics? (You realise you've never been
able to answer this question?)

Why does castro imprison his critics?

Now chimpy, are you going to answer questions, or continue to run away from
the facts as you've done thus far chimpy?
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Funny then that the U$$A is one of the few first-world countries
that denies it's own citizens the right and freedom to travel.
Then why can Americans travel to Cuba, chimpy?
Why do you lie?
Even the *Cubans* admit 200,000 USA folks visited Cuba in one year,
chimpy.

Now, why do you continue to lie?
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So
if Castro didn't get it from the U$$A, then the U$$A decided to
adopt that idea from Cuba? LOL!
Wrong on both counts, chimpy.
One of them must be the answer, BoBo.
Not if both of them are wrong chimpy.
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Really? Tried to go there yourself, have you?
Well, as I've pointed out to you before dummy, I'm not American.
Which explains why you have so few accurate facts about the U$A,
and it's policies and politics.
All my facts are true chimpy.

You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Aparently less than you BoBo.
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
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Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
Only if you break the law while leaving.
Lol. nice dodge their chimpy. "only if you break the law" - like, for
example, wanting to get the fuck outta Cuba.
Yet, 10,000s do "get out" of Cuba, legally, every year.
Go figure.
And lots more are denied. Go figure.

WHy does Castro stop them from leaving chimpy? Why can't you answer
this question?
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100,000s of
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Cubans travel, visit, work, study abroad, outside Cuba,
and they manage to do so legally, with Passports, Visas
and other necessary documents, and they RETURN
to Cuba when their travels are done.
Heh. Yeah. if you've been 'nice' to the government, have family back
in Cuba the commies can effectively hold hostage, and travel to
special government-approved countries.
Got any more lies and trite propaganda you care to spew, eh chimp?
Can't refute fact I see. Good going chimpy.
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Let me ask you chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much freedom to travel
as Americans?
Why aren't U$ citizens allowed to visit Cuba, eh jackass?
Don't hardly sound "free" now does it?
You avoided yet another question chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much
freedom to travel as Americans?

Too scared to answer the question chimpy?

You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
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Sorry chimpy, but you *always* change the topic away from Cuba.
Are the luxury goods available in tourist areas provided by capitalism
or not? And why aren't ordinary cubans allowed to access them?
"Luxury" goods, by definition jackass, aren't necessities.
They are to the Cubans, chimpy, because they don't have the
"necessities".

Tell me something chimpy, why are you so upset about the embargo if
Cubans don't need those luxury goods, eh chimpy?

Not only are you an idiot, you're a hypocrite as well.
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Waiting for your answer chimpy.
Waiting for a cogent argument from you, BoBo.
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
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Well that's funny, because the nice commies have no problem accepting
those goods n' services for themselves,
Aren't all Cubans "commies" in your fantastical world?
Nope, just the government and their lackeys, chimpy.
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and letting tourists have them.
What country denies such things to tourists who visit?
What country denies them to their own population, chimpy? Cuba does.

Why do you hate Cubans, chimpy?
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Do you even have a fucking point, or do you
simply like to spew inane irrelevant questions
whilst crammin' bananas up your ass?
You seem to have a banana-anus fetish. Must be a commie thing.
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Yet they deny them to their own population.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
Why does the U$$A DENY Cubans entry and RETURN
them to Castro by the 100s every year?
Well, I guess they can't process the massive numbers who are desperate
to escape that shithole chimpy.

Why are so many people desperate to leave, eh chimpy?
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So, you think a government should decide what the people should spend
their money on, irregardless of the wishes of those people?
Like the U$$A deciding that U$ citizens who spend $$ on Cuban goods
are FELONS and should be imprisoned?
WHo gets imprisoned for buying Cuban goods chimpy?

And why aren't Cubans allowed access to ANY goods?
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Why are you a totalitarian chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans and want to
deny them their freedom, chimpy?
Got any more self-contradictory idiocies you care to spew, BoBo?
They are simple questions chimpy: you support a totalitarian government
who murder their own population and deny them the basic freedoms.

Therefore, you must hate the Cuban people. WHy do you hate them chimpy?
Why do you think they don't deserve basic freedoms?
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Never: Mexico isn't a totalitarian country chimpy.
So if the country is "totalitarian", then the U$A should
embargo and economically destroy it, right?
Yep.
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Do you specialize in making yourself look like
a stammering idiot, or does someone help you
with that shtick?
Do you specialise in being unable to answer simple questions chimpy?
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No, I mean ordinary people seeking freedom.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
It was your greedy hypocritical country that STOPPED
the Muriel Boat lift jackass
Well, as I've mentioned several times chimpy, I'm not from the US.
Obviously, since you don't seem to know fuck all about
the foreign policies or applied politics surrounding Cuba.
Yet you can never refute the facts I post, or even answer direct
questions.

Here's one: why does Castro imprison his critics?
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Quite aparently less than you are.
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
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, thereby denying those
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10,000s of Cubans you claim are trapped and suffering
any hope of entry to the USA.
LOL. Sure chimpy. Has Castro tried to sell you a fake rolex?
You are aware that the great "boat lift" was an excuse for Castro to
unload his prison population on the Americans?
Why isn't it surprising that you'd spew more Miami Mafia lies
and propaganda. Wouldn't someone who was an enemy of
Fidel, and in prison there, actually be an ally of the U$A?
Not if they were just common criminals Castro wanted to unload, chimpy.
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Or are you now going to admit that Fidel's prisons have
"real" criminals in them ....? ROTFLMAO!
Of course they do. Unfortunately, like all totalitarian shitholes, they
also have thousands of non-criminals
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The U$$A slammed the door shut in 10,000s of
honest, innocent Cubans who were trying to
hitch a ride during the Muriel Boat lift, hitch a
ride from pirating greedy profiteering U$ "capitalists"
boat captains who swarmed to the island only to
demand and charge upwards of $10,000 per head
to bring them a scant 90 miles across the straights
of Florida. Yeah, real compassion and caring there
you shitsucking fascist.
Lol. Says the person who supports murdering those same people.

Can you ever keep more than one thought in your head at one time,
chimpy?

You're the only one here who supports fascism, chimpy.
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Fidel opened the ports
and harbours to anyone who wanted to leave Cuba,
for any reason.
Wrong chimpy.
Sez the shitbag who defends a U$ policy that causes
the citizens of Cuba to suffer,
Lol. Hang on, you said Cubans didn't need those "luxury" goods. Now
you're saying they denying them is making them "suffer". Heh. Make up
your mind fuckstick.

Do Cubans need those embargoed goods or not? Answer the question
chimpy.
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and denies U$ citizens
the freedom to travel to Cuba
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
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, and that RETURNS to
Cuba any and all fleeing Cubans found at sea, returns
1000s right back to Fidel !
Why would that bother you? You think Fidel is great.
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What a phoney lowlife
cocksucker you really are, chump.
Says the guy who supports Castro murdering his own people.

You'd make a good nazi, if you weren't such a dumbass, chimpy.
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And haven't you just admitted by default that castro doesn't let
people leave?
Your conclusion, and your claimed fact, is demonstable false.
1000s of Cubans expatriate, legally, every year.
And thousands more aren't allowed to. Why doesn't Castro let them leave
chimpy?
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It was the U$$A who slammed the door
shut when they determined that "too many" were actually
arriving. So spare us the crocodile tears of concern, scumbag.
Heh, coming from the guy who supports the Cuban government murdering
dissidents
Like the U$$A murders 100,000+ innocent, unarmed Iraqi civilians ... in
ONE YEAR !
DOes that figure include the ones killed by the "resistance" trying to
overthrow democracy?

And you're avoiding the point again chimpy: why do you support the
murder of people who try to leave Cuba?
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Nice morals you've got there Chimpy.
You'd need to have any before you could even beging to
judge, you hypocitical shitsucking scumbag.
Yes, I have morals: I don't support a commie dictator who murders his
own people, chimpy.

Why do you support a murdering dictator chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans
so much chimpy?
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The USA accepts millions of immigrants chimpy.
Not from Cuba if found at sea, not from Haiti, not from any of
the countries listed above even if they make it to dry land,
you lying asswipe.
The USA does accept millions of immigrant chimpy - that isn't a "lie"

Now, why does Castro murder people who try to leave Cuba, and why does
he imprison people who criticise him?
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Why won't Castro let his people leave if they want?
Why won't Bu$h let his people visit Cuba and assist
those poor Cubans you claim to care so much about?
Avoiding the question yet again chimpy: Why won't Castro let his people
leave if they want?

Why are you too scared to answer this question chimpy?

You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy. How many of them are murdered or imprisoned?
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Oh, so you think freedom of speech, assembly, travel and democracy
should be denied to the Cuban people?
If it's good enough for the U$$A to deny it
Stop lying chimpy.

USA citizens can vote in free elections, Cubans cannot
USA citizens can travel freely, Cubans cannot
USA citizens have freedom of assembly, Cubans don't
Cubans get thrown in jail for criticising their government, Americans
don't.
USA has non-government media which can criticise the government, Cuba
doesn't.

There chimpy.

Now, why do you think freedom of speech, assembly, travel and democracy
should be denied to the Cuban people?

Straight answer now chimpy, don't dodge the question.
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What the hell is wrong with you chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans so much?
Why won't you allow ALL Cubans into the U$$A whether or not
they make it to dry land? What kind of sick fuck are you and Bu$h
to send Cubans who make it all the way to within yards of
Miami Beach BACK to Fidel?
Lol. You really can't make your mind up, can you chimpy? You think Cuba
is great, you support Castro murdering people who try to leave, but
you're outraged the USA sends some back to Fidel.

You're a compelte schitzoid, chimpy.
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Why shouldn't they have basic freedoms that the Cuban government
denies them?
Why shouldn't U$ citizens have the freedoms that the U$ government
denies them?
They have more freedom in *every* aspect of life than *any* ordinary
Cuban.
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Why shouldn't the 1000s of innocents being held incommunicado
at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and other secret U$ concentration, torture and
murder camps have the basic rights of humanity?
There's a war on, and they're foreign terrorists.

Why does Castro do those things to his own people, on a much larger
scale? Answer that one chimpy.
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Yes, it's always good to compare freedom (USA) to slavery (Cuba).
It tends to show commie shitholes in a bad light.
And what of all the Democratic shitholes ? Does the light not shine
on them?
Well, they're all better off than Cuba for starters chimpy.
Your pathetic demonstrably false lies illustrate you to
be the fanatical lying shitsucker that you really are.
Your continuing inability to refute any point is noted chimpy.
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How about letting them leave to actually live in the USA, chimpy?
The USA allows that, and it's the Cuban commies who stop them.
Bullshit. The U$$A and lying scumbags like you pretend to allow
that with your absurd "wet foot, dry foot" rule, but no sane person
believe your pathetic lies.
Sez the guy who swallows commie propaganda. Heh. Nice going chimpy.
Send any Cubans back to Fidel lately, eh fascist swine?
Personally? No.

Why do you support Castro murdering those same people, eh fascist
swine? You really are schitzo.
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So, does the USA let in Cuban refugees who make it to land or not,
chimpy?
So do the vast majority of Cuban refugees get sent right back to Fidel
or not, you lowlife lying shitstain?
Way too many get turned back, but those who make it to land get
accepted, and taste freedom for the first time in their lives.

Now chimpy, why do you support Castro murdering those same people? Why
are you upset about the fate of people you think should be killed
anyway? Care to explain this contradiction, eh schitzochimp?
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More to the point, why doesn't Castro allow people to leave, chimpy?
Even more on point, why doesn't the U$$A allow it's citizens to visit
Cuba, eh punk boy?
They want to economically strangulate the commie regime.

You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba. And,
unlike Cuba, their government doesn't try to stop them from leaving
chimpy. You're quite dumb, chimpy.
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LOl. you dickhead. Are you aware that the USA is the no.2 source of
visits to Cuba?
You lie yet again you lowlife shitsucking puke. Germany was #2 in
tourists visits to Cuba, just behind Canada.
My apologies chimpy, and "2nd" figure was from 2001. And it comes from
the Cubans themselves, chimpy.

Now, did 200,000 USA citizens visit Cuba or not, chimpy?
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Are you a pathological liar, or do you get paid to lie?
Youre still pretending that people from the USA don't travel to Cuba.
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And how many of them were jailed for it?
And why won't castro let Cubans travel where they want, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A let U$ citizens travel where they want, eh puke?
They do chimpy, as the 200,000 who travelled to Cuba in one year can
tell you.

And even if they hadn't, they can travel elsewhere at will. Cubans
can't.
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Well, politicians do tend to get paid with public money all over
the world, and at least in the USA, you can vote for someone else
if you don't like them. Can't do that in Cuba. In fact, you can't
even leve Cuba if you don't like it, Chimpy.
Can't do it in lots of countries, Chump.
Hah, you've just admitted Castro doesn't let people leave.
Only in your pathetically dysfunctional mind, BoBo.
So, does Castro let any Cuban leave if they want to? Waiting for you
answer chimpy.
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Why doesn't Castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doen't the U$A let ALL Cubans stay, eh fascist?
They should, apart from spies and common crooks.

Now, back to the question you keep avoiding over and over: Why doesn't
Castro let people leave, chimpy?
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So when you going to
attack and invade them?
Changing topic again to avoid the question chimpy.
You're questions are still inane and off-point, chump.
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
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Besides, why should they be attacked/invaded?
Why sould Cuba be attacked/invaded?
well, it isn't being attacked/invaded chimpy.
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Why doesn't castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A accept all Cuban refugees, eh scumsucker?
They should, apart from spies and common crooks.

Now, back to the question you keep avoiding over and over: Why doesn't
Castro let people leave, chimpy?
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Why do you have such a hatred of Cubans, chimpy?
Why won't you let ALL Cubans who want to come
into the U$A, lying fascist swine?
LOL, your hypocrisy is amazing chimpy.
Sez the lowlife scumbag who supports sending
refugees back.
Well, I don't chimpy......and yet you support *murdering* them, yet
you're concerned about them being "sent back". heheheh....make your
mind up fucktard.
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USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who flee that
totalitarian shithole.
Why do you lie?
I'm not: USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who
flee that totalitarian shithole.

Tell me chimpy: where did the Cubans in Miami come from?
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The U$A sends more Cuban refugees back to
Cuba than it allows to stay, you hypocritical cocksucking fascist swine.
Lol, love the way you use the word "hypocrite" when you support
murdering those same people chimpy.
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Yet, you support the murder of Cubans who try to leave their own
country, and the murder of dissidents, yet you call other "fascist".
Pot. kettle. black.
So which are you, jackass?
None. You are all three, you hypocritical schitzoid chimpy.
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LOL. Make your mind up chimpy: is the USA trying to "destroy" Cuba or
trying to "leave it the way it is"?
Yep, another one of your preposterous self-contradictory corners
you painted yourself into with your absurdly false, rabid-blind
Miami Mafia propaganda.
Strange then, that you still cannot answer direct questions, or refute
any facts I post.
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I realise it's hard for you to
keep more than idea idea in your head, but you should at least try.
Your dodge ain't working, you played yourself for a chump once again.
I'm telling the truth, posting facts, and answering questions chimpy.
You're avoiding questions, changing topics and openly supporting the
murder of cubans, chimpy.
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Then why do so many Americans travel to Cuba, dumbass?
U$ Criminals and Felons? Why don't you ask them?
Proof that they are "criminals and felons". Or did you just make that
up like everything else you lie about?
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I'm sure they
could ask for asylum when they get there. Not surprisingly, they don't.
Yet, surprisingly they'd go to a "communist shithole" in the first place,
eh? LOL!
Indeed. Who'd want to go to that shithole? Must be leftist idiots.

BTW, are you now admitting USA citizens can travel to Cuba?
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Even the commies own tourist office said 200,000 US citizens visited
Cuba in 2001 alone, and they're still visiting, chimpy.
So now you trust what Fidel says, eh scumquat?
No, but if even the Cubans admit that Americans are able to visit, it
makes your reality denial look a little stupid doesn't it chimpy?
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Call the U$ Dept. of Treasury and see if they issued 200,000
special permits to U$ citizens to visit Cuba, chimp, then go
cram another banana up your ass for being such an imbecile.
What is it with you and the anus/banana fetish?

Yes or no: did 200,000 USA folks travel to Cuba? Answer the question
chimpy.
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Because they want their homeland not to be a totalitarian shithole,
dumbass. What is it you're finding hard to understand about this
chimpy?
LOL, yeah the Miami Mafia Battistaites long for the "good ole' days" ...
Compared to Castro, they WERE the 'good old days'. At the very least,
people were allowed to leave if they didn't like it.

Why aren't Cubans allowed to leave now chimpy?
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too bad the common citizens of Cuba decided they were such corrupt,
perverted, exploitative, murderous swine that they needed to be pushed
into the sea, by any means necessary.
Good for them. Pity they replaced him with Fidel, who murders and
tortures and oppresses mroe than batista could ever dream about.
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You might actually be the dumbest person on usenet.
Yet, in your case there is no doubt.
Yet, I'm the only one of us who knew Americans still travelled to Cuba.
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People who criticise castro in Cuba tend to get locked up.
More utter bullshit from the ignoramus. How many times
you been to Cuba, like exactly, chump?
Zero. I didn't travel to nazi germany either, which according to your
logic means nobody there got imprisoned there.
Speak English much, eh chimp?
Continuing use of non-sequiters noted, chimpy.
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Why does Castro lock up political opponents, chimpy? No change of
topic: answer the question.
Why does the U$$A lock up 1000s of innocent civilians, incommunicado,
in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture and kill them?
They've "tortured and killed" 'thousands'? Better lay off the bong
chimpy. There are people in jail, they're called islamist terrorists.
This is the best counter-example you can think of?

Why does Castro lock up 1000s of his OWN innocent civilians,
incommunicado, in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture
and kill them?

You still haven't answered that question chimpy.
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I thought you said people shouldn't have access to those foreign goods
because it was "greedy" and a "waste of capital". So do you think the
embargo should stay or not?
Ironically, the embargo is what kept capitalism from ruining
Cuba, from becoming just another capitalist shithole suburb of
Miami. If you want to destroy Fidel/Socialism completely, lift the
immoral embargo entirely, if you want the Cuban people to
suffer, then continue with the misguided, immoral policies
of the last 40 years.
Lol - so now you admit the Cubans should allow their own people to
access capitalism, just like their leadership and the tourist zones do?

You really are a schitzo.
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And none of them
were afraid or hesitant to speak those opinions in public
places, you can't pass a day on the street without hearing
the similar political chatter of discontent you hear in the U$.
Of course, in the US you don't get locked up for criticising the
government, chimpy.
You keep moving the goal posts chimp, you're already out of the
stadium.
...and you never answer direct questions chimpy.
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Why does Castro lock up his critics? Waiting for you answer chimpy.
Maybe they ask too many inane, repetetive, absurd questions like
you do?
Because you never answer them, so here it is again chimpy:

Why does Castro lock up his critics?
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Wow, you talked to a commie idiot, good for you.
Did you talk to any fo the political opponents Castro has thrown in
prison, chimpy?
Re-read the story you stamming simpleton, and try and pay attention
even if you can't swallow the facts.
Did you talk to any of the political opponents Castro has thrown in
prison, chimpy?

Seem like Cubans aren't free to speak after all.

Why can't you deal with reality chimpy? Why are Cubans imprisoned for
criticising Castro, eh chimpy?
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The myths and propaganda you've allowed the Miami Mafia
Battistaites to ram up your ass are just that Chimpy,
myths, lies and propaganda.
Sure chimpy. Except they're all fact.
(have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro lock him up, Chimpy?)
Have you heard of Orlando Bosch ?
Yes.

Now, answer my question: have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro
lock him up, Chimpy?
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Why did Bu$h give refuge to
a terrorist who blows up civilian airliners?
Dunno, I don't think they should if that's true. Though, given the
Cuban government's habit of murdering their own people, why would they
even be worried about Orlando Bosch?
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If you don't believe it, then
get the fuck up off your lazy fat ass and go visit Cuba for
yourself
Sorry, I don't visit commie totalitarian shitholes.
Yet, as you claim, 200,000 U$ civilians do. Why is that, chimp?
Why don't you ask them, they're the ones travelling there chimpy.

And even the *Cubans* admit that americans travel there.
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, for an extended period, away from the Havana
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tourist areas. Do it you gutless coward, then report back
with some facts.
I already have the facts Chimpy. You need to learn some.
The only thing you got is your limp raw dick in your hand, like
any other masturbating chimpanzee.
Eh, keep your pervert fetishes to yourself chimpy.
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<snip the rest of your redundant off-point drivel>
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Now: why does castro imprison his critics?
Why does the U$A send terrorists and criminal agents down
there to destabilize Cuba?
Because it's a totalitarian shithole, and they don't send "terrorists".

Now, why does castro imprison his critics? (You realise you've never
been able to answer this question?)

Why does castro imprison his critics?

Now chimpy, are you going to answer questions, or continue to run away
from the facts as you've done thus far chimpy?
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Funny then that the U$$A is one of the few first-world countries
that denies it's own citizens the right and freedom to travel.
Then why can Americans travel to Cuba, chimpy?
Why do you lie?
Even the *Cubans* admit 200,000 USA folks visited Cuba in one year,
chimpy.
So now you accept Fidel's word as truth, eh?
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Now, why do you continue to lie?
Why don't you call the U$ Dept of Treasury, Foreign Asset Control
and ask them how many U$ citizens legally visited Cuba.
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So
if Castro didn't get it from the U$$A, then the U$$A decided to
adopt that idea from Cuba? LOL!
Wrong on both counts, chimpy.
One of them must be the answer, BoBo.
Not if both of them are wrong chimpy.
So your premise was wrong. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
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Really? Tried to go there yourself, have you?
Well, as I've pointed out to you before dummy, I'm not American.
Which explains why you have so few accurate facts about the U$A,
and it's policies and politics.
All my facts are true chimpy.
Only in the mind of a pathological liar like you.
for example you falsely stated that U$ citizens
were #2 in tourists visits to Cuba.
A demonstrable lie on your part.
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You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
Yet another lie, from the moron who wasn't aware that 99% of U$
citizens are specifically prohibited from visiting Cuba by the U$
Gov't, which makes such visits a FELONY.
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You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Sez the idiot chump.
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Apparently less than you BoBo.
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
More lies from the stammering Miami Mafia propagandist.
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You're quite dumb, chimpy.
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Trying to leave Cuba gets you killed.
Only if you break the law while leaving.
Lol. nice dodge their chimpy. "only if you break the law" - like,
for example, wanting to get the fuck outta Cuba.
Yet, 10,000s do "get out" of Cuba, legally, every year.
Go figure.
And lots more are denied. Go figure.
And 99% of U$ citizens are denied the freedom and liberty
to visit Cuba by their own Gov't. Go figure.
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WHy does Castro stop them from leaving chimpy? Why can't you answer
this question?
Why doesn't the U$A accept all Cuban refugees if they care so much
about them chump?
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100,000s of
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Cubans travel, visit, work, study abroad, outside Cuba,
and they manage to do so legally, with Passports, Visas
and other necessary documents, and they RETURN
to Cuba when their travels are done.
Heh. Yeah. if you've been 'nice' to the government, have family
back in Cuba the commies can effectively hold hostage, and travel
to special government-approved countries.
Got any more lies and trite propaganda you care to spew, eh chimp?
Can't refute fact I see. Good going chimpy.
Nope, can't refute the fact that the U$A denies it's citizens
the freedom and liberty to travel and visit Cuba, among other
places.

What a good little lying fascist you are.
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Let me ask you chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much freedom to
travel as Americans?
Why aren't U$ citizens allowed to visit Cuba, eh jackass?
Don't hardly sound "free" now does it?
You avoided yet another question chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much
freedom to travel as Americans?
Why should they? They aren't Americans. Why don't Americans have
as much freedom to travel as Canadians or Germans, eh chimp?
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Too scared to answer the question chimpy?
Asked and answered, you fascist jackass.
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You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Wassa matta chimp, have you run outta bananas to cram up your ass
so now you're recycling them?
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Sorry chimpy, but you *always* change the topic away from Cuba.
Are the luxury goods available in tourist areas provided by
capitalism or not? And why aren't ordinary cubans allowed to
access them?
"Luxury" goods, by definition jackass, aren't necessities.
They are to the Cubans, chimpy, because they don't have the
"necessities".
You're mental malfunction is becoming more clear with
every post you make.
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Tell me something chimpy, why are you so upset about the embargo if
Cubans don't need those luxury goods, eh chimpy?
The only jackass in this thread who's brought up such an
absurdity as "luxury goods" is you, moron.

Now go cram another banana up you ass.
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Not only are you an idiot, you're a hypocrite as well.
Sez the lying fascist.
Why do you lie so much, is it a mental disease or do you
get paid to lie?
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Waiting for your answer chimpy.
Waiting for a cogent argument from you, BoBo.
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
When you present something resembling truth, we'll let
you know.
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Well that's funny, because the nice commies have no problem
accepting those goods n' services for themselves,
Aren't all Cubans "commies" in your fantastical world?
Nope, just the government and their lackeys, chimpy.
So that's of course why you suffer and starve the Cuban
populace for 40 years, eh you fascist swine?
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and letting tourists have them.
What country denies such things to tourists who visit?
What country denies them to their own population, chimpy? Cuba does.
It's quite clear you never left your mama' basement, you pig-ignorant
jackass.
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Why do you hate Cubans, chimpy?
Why does the U$A send more Cuban refugees BACK to Cuba
then it accepts, eh liar?
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Do you even have a fucking point, or do you
simply like to spew inane irrelevant questions
whilst crammin' bananas up your ass?
You seem to have a banana-anus fetish. Must be a commie thing.
Sez the banana ramin' chimp.
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Yet they deny them to their own population.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
Why does the U$$A DENY Cubans entry and RETURN
them to Castro by the 100s every year?
Well, I guess they can't process the massive numbers who are desperate
to escape that shithole chimpy.
You're guesses are quite irrelevant, as with the rest of
the crap you've spewed in this thread.
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Why are so many people desperate to leave, eh chimpy?
Why are so many Mexicans "desperate" to leave, eh BoBo?
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So, you think a government should decide what the people should
spend their money on, irregardless of the wishes of those people?
Like the U$$A deciding that U$ citizens who spend $$ on Cuban goods
are FELONS and should be imprisoned?
WHo gets imprisoned for buying Cuban goods chimpy?
Those that break the law, chump. Please try it, get caught, and
report back to us ... LOL!
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And why aren't Cubans allowed access to ANY goods?
So they're all standing naked, outside in the rain, eh?
Got any more pathetic lies you care to pull out of your
banana filled ass?
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Why are you a totalitarian chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans and
want to deny them their freedom, chimpy?
Got any more self-contradictory idiocies you care to spew, BoBo?
They are simple questions chimpy: you support a totalitarian
government who murder their own population and deny them the basic
freedoms.
No, I tend not to support the U$A, or any of the despotic totalitarian
murderous regimes that it allies with.
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Therefore, you must hate the Cuban people.
Therefore, your pathetic fallacies built upon your
demonstrably false lies ain't worth a pinch of shit.
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WHy do you hate them
chimpy? Why do you think they don't deserve basic freedoms?
Why does the U$A return more refugees to Fidel than it accepts?
With "help" like that, who needs enemies?
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Never: Mexico isn't a totalitarian country chimpy.
So if the country is "totalitarian", then the U$A should
embargo and economically destroy it, right?
Yep.
Well then, the Criminal Bu$h Junta better get busy, as the list
is long, lots of invasions to prepare, so little time.
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Do you specialize in making yourself look like
a stammering idiot, or does someone help you
with that shtick?
Do you specialise in being unable to answer simple questions chimpy?
Do you specialize in asking inane off-point questions, eh sucker?
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No, I mean ordinary people seeking freedom.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
It was your greedy hypocritical country that STOPPED
the Muriel Boat lift jackass
Well, as I've mentioned several times chimpy, I'm not from the US.
Obviously, since you don't seem to know fuck all about
the foreign policies or applied politics surrounding Cuba.
Yet you can never refute the facts I post, or even answer direct
questions.
Why are you such a pathological liar? Did your mother teach
you that, or were you raised by fascists?
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Here's one: why does Castro imprison his critics?
Because those critics break Cuban law?
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Quite apparently less than you are.
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Repeating the same lie over and over won't convince anyone
outside of your own inbred family, wanker boy.
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, thereby denying those
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10,000s of Cubans you claim are trapped and suffering
any hope of entry to the USA.
LOL. Sure chimpy. Has Castro tried to sell you a fake rolex?
You are aware that the great "boat lift" was an excuse for Castro
to unload his prison population on the Americans?
Why isn't it surprising that you'd spew more Miami Mafia lies
and propaganda. Wouldn't someone who was an enemy of
Fidel, and in prison there, actually be an ally of the U$A?
Not if they were just common criminals Castro wanted to unload, chimpy.
So the Castro gov't, like all civilized Gov't, actually imprisons
criminals, eh wanker? What a shocker!
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Or are you now going to admit that Fidel's prisons have
"real" criminals in them ....? ROTFLMAO!
Of course they do. Unfortunately, like all totalitarian shitholes,
they also have thousands of non-criminals.
So you finally admit the U$$A must be, according to your
own definition, a totalitarian shithole. LOL! Thanks
for playing wanker, better luck next time.
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The U$$A slammed the door shut in 10,000s of
honest, innocent Cubans who were trying to
hitch a ride during the Muriel Boat lift, hitch a
ride from pirating greedy profiteering U$ "capitalists"
boat captains who swarmed to the island only to
demand and charge upwards of $10,000 per head
to bring them a scant 90 miles across the straights
of Florida. Yeah, real compassion and caring there
you shitsucking fascist.
Lol. Says the person who supports murdering those same people.
Sez the beeyah soaked auzzie who supports sending more
Cuban refugees BACK TO FIDEL than are allowed to
remain in the U$. What a shitsucking fascist scumbag you are.
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Fidel opened the ports
and harbours to anyone who wanted to leave Cuba,
for any reason.
Wrong chimpy.
Sez the shitbag who defends a U$ policy that causes
the citizens of Cuba to suffer,
Lol. Hang on, you said Cubans didn't need those "luxury" goods. Now
you're saying they denying them is making them "suffer". Heh. Make up
your mind fuckstick.
Get back to us when you're sober, you gutless spiv.
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Do Cubans need those embargoed goods or not? Answer the question
chimpy.
Yes, the Cuban people would benefit greatly if the immoral U$ embargo
was lifted, that what the UN, Red Cross and every other humanitarian
agency has been saying loudly and clearly for the past 30 years, you
gutless fascist puke.

Why to you suffer and torment the Cuban citizens, eh you sick fuck?
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and denies U$ citizens
the freedom to travel to Cuba
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Your repetitive lies only prove you to be the dishonest jackaninny
that you are.
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, and that RETURNS to
Cuba any and all fleeing Cubans found at sea, returns
1000s right back to Fidel !
Why would that bother you? You think Fidel is great.
If he isn't so great, how could the U$A ethically or morally return
those 1000s of refugees, eh shitstain?
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What a phoney lowlife
cocksucker you really are, chump.
Says the guy who supports Castro murdering his own people.
Sez the beeyah soaked wanka who supports slaughtering
and exterminating the wogs.
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You'd make a good nazi, if you weren't such a dumbass, chimpy.
Sez the lowlife shitsucking lyin' auzzie swine.
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And haven't you just admitted by default that castro doesn't let
people leave?
Your conclusion, and your claimed fact, is demonstrably false.
1000s of Cubans expatriate, legally, every year.
And thousands more aren't allowed to. Why doesn't Castro let them
leave chimpy?
Why doesn't Bu$h let U$ citizens travel freely to Cuba, eh fuckwit?
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It was the U$$A who slammed the door
shut when they determined that "too many" were actually
arriving. So spare us the crocodile tears of concern, scumbag.
Heh, coming from the guy who supports the Cuban government
murdering dissidents
Like the U$$A murders 100,000+ innocent, unarmed Iraqi civilians
... in ONE YEAR !
DOes that figure include the ones killed by the "resistance" trying to
overthrow democracy?
No, if you had a fucking clue you'd already know it doesn't.
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And you're avoiding the point again chimpy: why do you support the
murder of people who try to leave Cuba?
Why does the U$A return to Cuba more refugees than it accepts, eh
scumbag?
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Nice morals you've got there Chimpy.
You'd need to have any before you could even begin to
judge, you hypocritical shitsucking scumbag.
Yes, I have morals: I don't support a commie dictator who murders his
own people, chimpy.
LOL! Yet you support any fascist dictator or regime that murders "other"
people in addition their own ... ROTFLMAO ! What a drunken fuck your
parents musta had when they conceived an imbecile like you.
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Why do you support a murdering dictator chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans
so much chimpy?
Why do you support sending Cuban refugees back to Fidel, so they can
then continue to suffer under the immoral U$ embargo? What kind
of sick fascist fuck are you?
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The USA accepts millions of immigrants chimpy.
Not from Cuba if found at sea, not from Haiti, not from any of
the countries listed above even if they make it to dry land,
you lying asswipe.
The USA does accept millions of immigrant chimpy - that isn't a "lie"
No, the U$A does not accept millions of immigrants you lying drunken
auzzie.
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Now, why does Castro murder people who try to leave Cuba, and why does
he imprison people who criticise him?
Why does the U$A send more Cuban refugees back to Castro if they
care about them so much? Why does the U$ gov't hate and torture
the Cuban citizens?
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Why won't Castro let his people leave if they want?
Why won't Bu$h let his people visit Cuba and assist
those poor Cubans you claim to care so much about?
Avoiding the question yet again chimpy: Why won't Castro let his
people leave if they want?
Why doesn't Bu$h let U$ citizens travel freely, eh jackass?

Why are you too scared to answer this question chimpy?
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Oh, so you think freedom of speech, assembly, travel and democracy
should be denied to the Cuban people?
If it's good enough for the U$$A to deny it
Stop lying chimpy.
USA citizens can vote in free elections,
No, millions of them are directly denied the right to vote,
jackass.
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Cubans cannot
USA citizens can travel freely,
Your utterly pathetic lies only show you to be
the pathological scumbag that you really are.
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Cubans cannot
USA citizens have freedom of assembly,
Your abject pig-ignorance of the reality of the
U$ political system makes you out to be some
drunken dullard.
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Cubans don't
Cubans get thrown in jail for criticising their government, Americans
don't.
USA has non-government media which can criticise the government, Cuba
doesn't.
There chimpy.
Why does the U$A send more Cuban refugees back to Castro if they
care about them so much? Why does the U$ gov't hate and torture
the Cuban citizens?
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Now, why do you think freedom of speech,
assembly, travel and
democracy should be denied to the Cuban people?
For the same reasons the U$ Gov't denies and limits
them to it own?
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Straight answer now chimpy, don't dodge the question.
Asked and answered. Do pay attention.
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What the hell is wrong with you chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans so much?
Why won't you allow ALL Cubans into the U$$A whether or not
they make it to dry land? What kind of sick fuck are you and Bu$h
to send Cubans who make it all the way to within yards of
Miami Beach BACK to Fidel?
Lol. You really can't make your mind up, can you chimpy? You think
Cuba is great, you support Castro murdering people who try to leave, but
you're outraged the USA sends some back to Fidel.
You're a compelte schitzoid, chimpy.
That would define the U$ Foreign policy toward Cuba to a T.
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Why shouldn't they have basic freedoms that the Cuban government
denies them?
Why shouldn't U$ citizens have the freedoms that the U$ government
denies them?
They have more freedom in *every* aspect of life than *any* ordinary
Cuban.
So that's your entire point, eh wanka? That Cuba isn't like the U$A ?

Wow. Wotta revelation. You only got another 192 comparisons
to make, asswipe.
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Why shouldn't the 1000s of innocents being held incommunicado
at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and other secret U$ concentration,
torture and murder camps have the basic rights of humanity?
There's a war on,
Really? So when did Congress declare war?
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and they're foreign terrorists.
Says who?
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Why does Castro do those things to his own people, on a much larger
scale? Answer that one chimpy.
So now it's a matter of scale, eh wanker?
You really are lower than the spots on a snake's ass, aren't you wanker?
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Yes, it's always good to compare freedom (USA) to slavery
(Cuba). It tends to show commie shitholes in a bad light.
And what of all the Democratic shitholes ? Does the light not
shine on them?
Well, they're all better off than Cuba for starters chimpy.
Your pathetic demonstrably false lies illustrate you to
be the fanatical lying shitsucker that you really are.
Your continuing inability to refute any point is noted chimpy.
No need to refute such obvious lies and distortions from your
slobbering pie-hole, chump.
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How about letting them leave to actually live in the USA,
chimpy? The USA allows that, and it's the Cuban commies who
stop them.
Bullshit. The U$$A and lying scumbags like you pretend to allow
that with your absurd "wet foot, dry foot" rule, but no sane
person believe your pathetic lies.
Sez the guy who swallows commie propaganda. Heh. Nice going chimpy.
Send any Cubans back to Fidel lately, eh fascist swine?
Personally? No.
Why do you support Castro murdering those same people, eh fascist
swine? You really are schitzo.
Why would the U$$A send those refugees directly back to such
a "murderer", eh liar?
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So, does the USA let in Cuban refugees who make it to land or not,
chimpy?
So do the vast majority of Cuban refugees get sent right back to
Fidel or not, you lowlife lying shitstain?
Way too many get turned back, but those who make it to land get
accepted, and taste freedom for the first time in their lives.
So why send more back than are accepted, eh chump?
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Now chimpy, why do you support Castro murdering those same people?
Castro murdered someone? Whom?
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Why are you upset about the fate of people you think should be killed
anyway? Care to explain this contradiction, eh schitzochimp?
Why would the U$A send refugees directly back to a "murderer"
as you claim, simply because their feet are wet. What kind of
lowlife fascist swine are you?
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More to the point, why doesn't Castro allow people to leave, chimpy?
Even more on point, why doesn't the U$$A allow it's citizens to
visit Cuba, eh punk boy?
They want to economically strangulate the commie regime.
Funny, you don't even know what type of political/economic
system exists in Cuba. Do you practice your pig-ignorance or
does it come naturally?
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You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
Your lies really are quite pathetic, you drunken wanka.
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And, unlike Cuba, their government doesn't try to stop them from
leaving chimpy. You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Are you trying for some usenet record for the most number of
repeated lies in the same post?
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LOl. you dickhead. Are you aware that the USA is the no.2 source
of visits to Cuba?
You lie yet again you lowlife shitsucking puke. Germany was #2 in
tourists visits to Cuba, just behind Canada.
My apologies chimpy, and "2nd" figure was from 2001.
No, it wasn't. You lie again, scumbag.
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And it comes from the Cubans themselves, chimpy.
So now you believe Fidel, eh schizoid liar?
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Now, did 200,000 USA citizens visit Cuba or not, chimpy?
Contact the U$ Treasury Dept OFAC and find out for yourself
if they issued that many restrictive licenses to visit Cuba, chump.

Care to put your $$ where you lying mouth is, eh numbnuts?
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Are you a pathological liar, or do you get paid to lie?
Youre still pretending that people from the USA don't travel to Cuba.
The U$A prohibits travel, in fact criminalizes it, for the average U$
citizen. If you had any fucking clue what you were talking about,
you would have known that.
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And how many of them were jailed for it?
And why won't castro let Cubans travel where they want, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A let U$ citizens travel where they want, eh puke?
They do chimpy, as the 200,000 who travelled to Cuba in one year can
tell you.
So now you take Fidel at his word, eh shitstain?
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And even if they hadn't, they can travel elsewhere at will.
Backing away from another of your pathetic lies, eh banana bender?
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Cubans
can't.
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Well, politicians do tend to get paid with public money all
over the world, and at least in the USA, you can vote for
someone else if you don't like them. Can't do that in Cuba.
In fact, you can't even leve Cuba if you don't like it,
Chimpy.
Can't do it in lots of countries, Chump.
Hah, you've just admitted Castro doesn't let people leave.
Only in your pathetically dysfunctional mind, BoBo.
So, does Castro let any Cuban leave if they want to? Waiting for you
answer chimpy.
Why should Castro allow what the U$ doesn't allow, eh dill?
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Why doesn't Castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A let ALL Cubans stay, eh fascist?
They should, apart from spies and common crooks.
Yet they send more Cuban refugees back to Fidel every
year then they allow to stay. Why do you hate the
refugees like that, eh jackass?
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Now, back to the question you keep avoiding over and over: Why doesn't
Castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A allow it's citizens the freedom to visit Cuba, eh dipstick?
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So when you going to
attack and invade them?
Changing topic again to avoid the question chimpy.
You're questions are still inane and off-point, chump.
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Will let you know when you deliver some truth, chump.
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Besides, why should they be attacked/invaded?
Why should Cuba be attacked/invaded?
well, it isn't being attacked/invaded chimpy.
Is there any limit to your abject ignorance?
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Why doesn't castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A accept all Cuban refugees, eh scumsucker?
They should, apart from spies and common crooks.
Yet, they don't. Why does the U$ gov't punish and suffer the
poor Cuban refugees like that, eh chimp?
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Now, back to the question you keep avoiding over and over: Why doesn't
Castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A allow it's citizens the right to travel freely to
Cuba?
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Why do you have such a hatred of Cubans, chimpy?
Why won't you let ALL Cubans who want to come
into the U$A, lying fascist swine?
LOL, your hypocrisy is amazing chimpy.
Sez the lowlife scumbag who supports sending
refugees back.
Well, I don't chimpy......and yet you support *murdering* them,
You lie again, asswipe.
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yet you're concerned about them being "sent back". heheheh....make your
mind up fucktard.
So which is it, asswipe? The U$$A knowingly sends refugees back to Fidel
who will "murder" them as you claim, or Fidel doesn't murder them?

Got an answer, eh jackass?
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USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who flee
that totalitarian shithole.
Why do you lie?
I'm not: USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who
flee that totalitarian shithole.
The U$A sends MORE Cuban refugees back to Fidel every year for
decades than it allows to stay in the U$ for propaganda purposes.
But you knew that, didn't you chimp?
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Tell me chimpy: where did the Cubans in Miami come from?
You mean the Miami Mafia? The Criminal Battistaites and Gangsters
who were bleeding Cuba dry before the PEOPLE revolted and threw
the scumbags out, or better yet, killed the swine on the spot.
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The U$A sends more Cuban refugees back to
Cuba than it allows to stay, you hypocritical cocksucking fascist swine.
Lol, love the way you use the word "hypocrite" when you support
murdering those same people chimpy.
Sez the lowlife scumbag who supports the U$$A sending more
refugees back to Fidel than it allows to remain for cheap political
propaganda. Then chokes and strangles them with the embargo
and economic sabotage. How fucking compassionate.
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Yet, you support the murder of Cubans who try to leave their own
country, and the murder of dissidents, yet you call other
"fascist". Pot. kettle. black.
So which are you, jackass?
None. You are all three, you hypocritical schitzoid chimpy.
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LOL. Make your mind up chimpy: is the USA trying to "destroy"
Cuba or trying to "leave it the way it is"?
Yep, another one of your preposterous self-contradictory corners
you painted yourself into with your absurdly false, rabid-blind
Miami Mafia propaganda.
Strange then, that you still cannot answer direct questions, or refute
any facts I post.
You haven't posted any facts, and all your lies have be thoroughly refuted,
you stammering drongo.
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I realise it's hard for you to
keep more than idea idea in your head, but you should at least try.
Your dodge ain't working, you played yourself for a chump once again.
I'm telling the truth,
Lies ain't the truth, liar.
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posting facts,
Your pathetic and demonstrable lies are there for all to see, jackass.
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and answering questions chimpy.
You're avoiding questions, changing topics and openly supporting the
murder of cubans, chimpy.
Sez the jackass fascist swine who supports sending more Cuban refugees
back to Fidel every year than are allowed to stay. Real fucking compassionate
you are, asswipe.
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Then why do so many Americans travel to Cuba, dumbass?
U$ Criminals and Felons? Why don't you ask them?
Proof that they are "criminals and felons". Or did you just make that
up like everything else you lie about?
Sez the dipshit who didn't even know it was illegal for the average
U$ citizen to visit Cuba, or even send $$ or aid directly to any
of the "needy, suffering" cubans you claim to care about.
So cry me a river of crocodile tears you gutless puke.
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I'm sure they
could ask for asylum when they get there. Not surprisingly, they don't.
Yet, surprisingly they'd go to a "communist shithole" in the first
place, eh? LOL!
Indeed. Who'd want to go to that shithole? Must be leftist idiots.
Yeah, aid workers, health workers, humanitarians ...
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BTW, are you now admitting USA citizens can travel to Cuba?
The average U$ citizen is denied the freedom to travel to Cuba,
or to send or render assistance any Cubans, or to even assist a Cuban
refugee to arrive dry-foot in the U$A -- in fact it's a FELONY
to do so. But you knew that, didn't you you lowlife lying fascist.
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Even the commies own tourist office said 200,000 US citizens
visited Cuba in 2001 alone, and they're still visiting, chimpy.
So now you trust what Fidel says, eh scumquat?
No, but if even the Cubans admit that Americans are able to visit, it
makes your reality denial look a little stupid doesn't it chimpy?
So now you trust Fidel ...? How fucking quaint.
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Call the U$ Dept. of Treasury and see if they issued 200,000
special permits to U$ citizens to visit Cuba, chimp, then go
cram another banana up your ass for being such an imbecile.
What is it with you and the anus/banana fetish?
Why do you insist on jamming them up your ass, eh chimp?
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Yes or no: did 200,000 USA folks travel to Cuba? Answer the question
chimpy.
Quite certainly, and indisputably, no.
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Because they want their homeland not to be a totalitarian
shithole, dumbass. What is it you're finding hard to understand
about this chimpy?
LOL, yeah the Miami Mafia Battistaites long for the "good ole' days" ...
Compared to Castro, they WERE the 'good old days'. At the very least,
people were allowed to leave if they didn't like it.
Funny, those same "people" decided that instead of leaving, they'd
just slaughter and kill any of those corrupt murderous Battistaites
who didn't themselves get the fuck out of Cuba, eh? LOL!
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Why aren't Cubans allowed to leave now chimpy?
Why aren't U$ citizens allowed to visit, eh chump?
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too bad the common citizens of Cuba decided they were such corrupt,
perverted, exploitative, murderous swine that they needed to be
pushed into the sea, by any means necessary.
Good for them. Pity they replaced him with Fidel, who murders and
tortures and oppresses mroe than batista could ever dream about.
And your proof of this preposterous claim is what, like exactly?
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You might actually be the dumbest person on usenet.
Yet, in your case there is no doubt.
Yet, I'm the only one of us who knew Americans still travelled to Cuba.
ROTFLMAO! It's quite apparent to everyone that you have no
fucking idea that the U$A makes it a FELONY for the average
american to visit Cuba, assist any Cubans in Cuba, or even assist
any refugee to land dry-foot on U$ soil.

The only crap you "know" is the trite and tired propaganda
and lies of the Miami Mafia. Not surprising you'd jump
in with a bunch of scumbag fascist swine, it suits you well.
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People who criticise castro in Cuba tend to get locked up.
More utter bullshit from the ignoramus. How many times
you been to Cuba, like exactly, chump?
Zero. I didn't travel to nazi germany either, which according to
your logic means nobody there got imprisoned there.
Speak English much, eh chimp?
Continuing use of non-sequiters noted, chimpy.
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Why does Castro lock up political opponents, chimpy? No change of
topic: answer the question.
Why does the U$$A lock up 1000s of innocent civilians,
incommunicado,
in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture and kill them?
They've "tortured and killed" 'thousands'?
Better lay off the bong
chimpy. There are people in jail, they're called islamist terrorists.
Funny, there being no evidence that they are, eh?
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This is the best counter-example you can think of?
Why does Castro lock up 1000s of his OWN innocent civilians,
incommunicado, in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture
and kill them?
Does he? Got any proof?

Why does the U$$A lock up 1000s of OTHER innocent civilians,
incommunicado, in violation of ALL international treaties,
and torture, rape and kill them?
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You still haven't answered that question chimpy.
Why should Fidel be held to a higher standard than G "fundie crusader" Bu$h ?
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I thought you said people shouldn't have access to those foreign
goods because it was "greedy" and a "waste of capital". So do you
think the embargo should stay or not?
Ironically, the embargo is what kept capitalism from ruining
Cuba, from becoming just another capitalist shithole suburb of
Miami. If you want to destroy Fidel/Socialism completely, lift the
immoral embargo entirely, if you want the Cuban people to
suffer, then continue with the misguided, immoral policies
of the last 40 years.
Lol - so now you admit the Cubans should allow their own people to
access capitalism, just like their leadership and the tourist zones do?
You really are a schitzo.
Have someone who comprehends English read that paragraph to
you again, chimp ... real slow this time.
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And none of them
were afraid or hesitant to speak those opinions in public
places, you can't pass a day on the street without hearing
the similar political chatter of discontent you hear in the U$.
Of course, in the US you don't get locked up for criticising the
government, chimpy.
You keep moving the goal posts chimp, you're already out of the
stadium.
...and you never answer direct questions chimpy.
You never pose relevant on-point questions, dipstick.
If you are ignorant of the answers to the questions you
ask, then look up the answers yourself. If you think you know
the answers already, then phrase them in a cogent statement of
fact to support your premise, whatever the fuck that may be.

The ONLY point you've succeeded in proving in all your
stammering and spew is that the U$A has a higher GNP than Cuba.

No shit? Wotta revelation.
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Why does Castro lock up his critics? Waiting for you answer chimpy.
Maybe they ask too many inane, repetetive, absurd questions like
you do?
Why does Castro lock up his critics?
Why does Bu$h imprison 1000s in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib,
without charges, without lawyers, without access to the Red Cross,
incommunicado, and torture and murder them?
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Wow, you talked to a commie idiot, good for you.
Did you talk to any fo the political opponents Castro has thrown
in prison, chimpy?
Re-read the story you stamming simpleton, and try and pay attention
even if you can't swallow the facts.
Did you talk to any of the political opponents Castro has thrown in
prison, chimpy?
Unlike you, I prefer to avoid associating with criminals. As I stated,
and you ignored, I did speak at length with an old Communist Party
Member in Cuba, who complained at length that Fidel sold out
the Communist Revolution back in 1963, and had long ago taken
the country to socialism. But you'd have known that to be the case
if you had a fucking clue as to what you were talking about, right?
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Seem like Cubans aren't free to speak after all.
Which of course is just another lie from you, contradicted by
what's already been posted.
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Why can't you deal with reality chimpy? Why are Cubans imprisoned for
criticising Castro, eh chimpy?
The reality that you have no fucking idea what Cuba is like, and
haven't even been there for a visit, much less a study of what's
really going on? No, the reality of your pig-ignorance wallowing
in blatant lies is quite evident.
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The myths and propaganda you've allowed the Miami Mafia
Battistaites to ram up your ass are just that Chimpy,
myths, lies and propaganda.
Sure chimpy. Except they're all fact.
(have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro lock him up, Chimpy?)
Have you heard of Orlando Bosch ?
Yes.
Now, answer my question: have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro
lock him up, Chimpy?
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Why did Bu$h give refuge to
a terrorist who blows up civilian airliners?
Dunno, I don't think they should if that's true. Though, given the
Cuban government's habit of murdering their own people, why would they
even be worried about Orlando Bosch?
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If you don't believe it, then
get the fuck up off your lazy fat ass and go visit Cuba for
yourself
Sorry, I don't visit commie totalitarian shitholes.
Yet, as you claim, 200,000 U$ civilians do. Why is that, chimp?
Why don't you ask them, they're the ones travelling there chimpy.
You claim to know everything else about which you have
zero direct experience, why not pull some more wild speculation
out of your ass on this one too?
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And even the *Cubans* admit that americans travel there.
So now you trust Fidel, eh? LOL!

Contact the U$ Treasury Dept. OFAC and find out the
facts for yourself, chimp, of how many U$ citizens
were legally allowed to travel to Cuba as tourists.

Go ahead, what's stopping you? Surely can't be the fear
that you'll make more of a jackass out of yourself, can it?
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, for an extended period, away from the Havana
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tourist areas. Do it you gutless coward, then report back
with some facts.
I already have the facts Chimpy. You need to learn some.
The only thing you got is your limp raw dick in your hand, like
any other masturbating chimpanzee.
Eh, keep your pervert fetishes to yourself chimpy.
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<snip the rest of your redundant off-point drivel>
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Now: why does castro imprison his critics?
Why does the U$A send terrorists and criminal agents down
there to destabilize Cuba?
Because it's a totalitarian shithole, and they don't send
"terrorists".
Even the FBI admits they do, jackass.
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Now, why does castro imprison his critics? (You realise you've never
been able to answer this question?)
Why do "the critics" break Cuban laws? Why does the U$A imprison
people who break it's laws, and even imprison 1000s of those who
don't break ANY U$ laws? Answer the question you stammering jackass.
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Why do you lie?
Even the *Cubans* admit 200,000 USA folks visited Cuba in one year,
chimpy.
So now you accept Fidel's word as truth, eh?
Nope, but it's obvious that some Americans travel there.

Are you saying no Americans travel to Cuba chimpy?
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Now, why do you continue to lie?
Why don't you call the U$ Dept of Treasury, Foreign Asset Control
and ask them how many U$ citizens legally visited Cuba.
Are you saying no Americans travel to Cuba chimpy?

Maybe they didn't *apply* to the tresury department chimpy.
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So
if Castro didn't get it from the U$$A, then the U$$A decided to
adopt that idea from Cuba? LOL!
Wrong on both counts, chimpy.
One of them must be the answer, BoBo.
Not if both of them are wrong chimpy.
So your premise was wrong. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
Well, you made two false statements, so your entire argument is wrong
chimpy.
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All my facts are true chimpy.
Only in the mind of a pathological liar like you.
for example you falsely stated that U$ citizens
were #2 in tourists visits to Cuba.
A demonstrable lie on your part.
No it isn't, the figures were from 2001, my mistake for not checking
recent figures.

So, answer the question chimpy: do Americans travel to Cuba or not?
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You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
Yet another lie, from the moron who wasn't aware that 99% of U$
citizens are specifically prohibited from visiting Cuba by the U$
Gov't, which makes such visits a FELONY.
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You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Sez the idiot chump.
Well, I'm answering questions, and you're avoiding all of them chimpy.
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You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
More lies from the stammering Miami Mafia propagandist.
Still haven't refuted any of my facts chimpy, and you still avoid all
my questions.

Why are you too scared to answer questions, chimpy?
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Yet, 10,000s do "get out" of Cuba, legally, every year.
Go figure.
And lots more are denied. Go figure.
And 99% of U$ citizens are denied the freedom and liberty
to visit Cuba by their own Gov't. Go figure.
And yet they're allowed to go anyway, chimpy, go figure. beats being
killed/imprisoned for it, like Castro does to his own people
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WHy does Castro stop them from leaving chimpy? Why can't you answer
this question?
Why doesn't the U$A accept all Cuban refugees if they care so much
about them chump?
I think it should, but it has at least given refuge to thousands, which
makes them morally superior to Castro, who murders Cubans.

Why does Castro murder his own population, chimpy?
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Heh. Yeah. if you've been 'nice' to the government, have family
back in Cuba the commies can effectively hold hostage, and travel
to special government-approved countries.
Got any more lies and trite propaganda you care to spew, eh chimp?
Can't refute fact I see. Good going chimpy.
Nope, can't refute the fact that the U$A denies it's citizens
the freedom and liberty to travel and visit Cuba, among other
places.
You still won't answer the question chimpy: do americans travel to Cuba
or not? It's rather telling that you're too scared to answer this
question
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What a good little lying fascist you are.
Lol. You're the one who supports murdering Cubans and keeping them
under a totalitarian system, chimpy. The only fascist here is you,
chimpy.

And you still have pointed out a single "lie" I have told.
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You avoided yet another question chimpy: why don't Cubans have as much
freedom to travel as Americans?
Why should they? They aren't Americans.
So, you're saying Cubans deserve less freedom than Americans.

WHy is that chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans so much?
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Why don't Americans have
as much freedom to travel as Canadians or Germans, eh chimp?
They do, chimpy. And even if the Cuba travel ban was ever enforced,
they'd still have light-years more freedom than Cubans, chimpy.
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Too scared to answer the question chimpy?
Asked and answered, you fascist jackass.
You've *never* answered it, you just change topic and ask a question.
Why does castro deny his own population the freedom to travel, chimpy?
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You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Wassa matta chimp, have you run outta bananas to cram up your ass
so now you're recycling them?
You and your banana-anus fetish. Must be a commie thing.
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"Luxury" goods, by definition jackass, aren't necessities.
They are to the Cubans, chimpy, because they don't have the
"necessities".
You're mental malfunction is becoming more clear with
every post you make.
No refutation of fact noted. Guess you can't justify your positions,
can you chimpy?
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Tell me something chimpy, why are you so upset about the embargo if
Cubans don't need those luxury goods, eh chimpy?
The only jackass in this thread who's brought up such an
absurdity as "luxury goods" is you, moron.
No chimpy, you squeal about the immoral "embargo", yet you say Cubans
shouldn't be allowed access to capitalist products.

Make up your mind, fuckstick, which is it?
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Now go cram another banana up you ass.
Hey, don't project your psycho-sexual problems on me chimpy.
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Not only are you an idiot, you're a hypocrite as well.
Sez the lying fascist.
- you still haven't pointed out any lies I told
- the only one here with fascist beliefs is you, as you have openly
supported the murder of cuban dissidents, denying Cubans the freedom to
vote and travel and denying them access to consumer goods. Looks like
you're a fscist to me chimpy.
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Why do you lie so much, is it a mental disease or do you
get paid to lie?
What lies chimpy?

Why do you hate Cubans chimpy? Is it a mental disease?
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Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
When you present something resembling truth, we'll let
you know.
Here are some truths:

- Cubans are denied freedom to travel, vote or even emigrate without
being killed.
- Cubans who criticise Castro get locked up.

There you go chimpy, you've yet to refute any of these facts.
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Well that's funny, because the nice commies have no problem
accepting those goods n' services for themselves,
Aren't all Cubans "commies" in your fantastical world?
Nope, just the government and their lackeys, chimpy.
So that's of course why you suffer and starve the Cuban
populace for 40 years, eh you fascist swine?
You just said Cubans shouldn't be permitted to enjoy capitalist goods.

And why is it that the commie party and the tourist areas get enough
food and consumer goods? The embargo doesn't affect them, which means
the CUban government is the only thing stopping the Cuban population
from enjoying them as well. Why are the Cuban people themselves locked
out of this?

try to answer those questions without changing the topic, chimpy.
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and letting tourists have them.
What country denies such things to tourists who visit?
What country denies them to their own population, chimpy? Cuba does.
It's quite clear you never left your mama' basement, you pig-ignorant
jackass.
Yet again, chimpy, you avoid the question.
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Why do you hate Cubans, chimpy?
Why does the U$A send more Cuban refugees BACK to Cuba
then it accepts, eh liar?
It shouldn't but at least they accept some, which is better than
castro, who kills and imprisons them.

BTW chimpy, you failed to answer the question yet again.
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Do you even have a fucking point, or do you
simply like to spew inane irrelevant questions
whilst crammin' bananas up your ass?
You seem to have a banana-anus fetish. Must be a commie thing.
Sez the banana ramin' chimp.
More banana-anus fetish from the chimp. You needs some therapy, or meet
a girl.
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Yet they deny them to their own population.
Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
Why does the U$$A DENY Cubans entry and RETURN
them to Castro by the 100s every year?
Well, I guess they can't process the massive numbers who are desperate
to escape that shithole chimpy.
You're guesses are quite irrelevant, as with the rest of
the crap you've spewed in this thread.
Your continuing inability to discuss the facts is noted, chimpy.
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Why are so many people desperate to leave, eh chimpy?
Why are so many Mexicans "desperate" to leave, eh BoBo?
Better life in America, chimpy. Are you completely stupid or what?

And you failed to answer the question yet again chimpy: Why are so many
Cubans desperate to leave Cuba, eh chimpy?

It's very strange that you're never willing to answer questions about
Cuba, don't you think chimpy?
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So, you think a government should decide what the people should
spend their money on, irregardless of the wishes of those people?
Like the U$$A deciding that U$ citizens who spend $$ on Cuban goods
are FELONS and should be imprisoned?
WHo gets imprisoned for buying Cuban goods chimpy?
Those that break the law, chump. Please try it, get caught, and
report back to us ... LOL!
Who has been imprisoned for buying Cuban goods chimpy?
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And why aren't Cubans allowed access to ANY goods?
So they're all standing naked, outside in the rain, eh?
Yep:

http://therealcuba.com/page2.htm

Why does the Cuban government keep their own poulation in such poverty,
denying them access to the goods that they themselves and the tourists
enjoy, eh chimpy?
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Got any more pathetic lies you care to pull out of your
banana filled ass?
Haven't lied once chimpy. You could try actually answering some
questions though.
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They are simple questions chimpy: you support a totalitarian
government who murder their own population and deny them the basic
freedoms.
No, I tend not to support the U$A, or any of the despotic totalitarian
murderous regimes that it allies with.
But you support Cuba, a murderous totalitarian regime. Why do you do
this chimpy?
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Therefore, you must hate the Cuban people.
Therefore, your pathetic fallacies built upon your
demonstrably false lies ain't worth a pinch of shit.
Not one "lie" pointed out by you chimpy.

On the other hand, you've been open in support of the policies of
castro, who imprisons and murders his own population. You must hate
Cubans to subject them to this. Why do you hate Cubans chimpy?
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WHy do you hate them
chimpy? Why do you think they don't deserve basic freedoms?
Why does the U$A return more refugees to Fidel than it accepts?
It shouldn't, but at least it accepts some.

Are why are there any 'refugees' at all chimpy? Isn't Cuba a great
place to live according to you, chimpy?
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With "help" like that, who needs enemies?
Question avoided chimpy: Why do you think Cubans don't deserve basic
freedoms? Why can't you answer this question? Instead you shed
crocodile tears about reufgees being returned to Cuba, while supporting
policies of Castro which kill those same people.

You really are an idiot schitzo, chimpy.

Answer the question: Why don't Cubans deserve basic freedoms?
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Never: Mexico isn't a totalitarian country chimpy.
So if the country is "totalitarian", then the U$A should
embargo and economically destroy it, right?
Yep.
Well then, the Criminal Bu$h Junta better get busy, as the list
is long, lots of invasions to prepare, so little time.
Why don't Cubans deserve basic freedoms?
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Do you specialize in making yourself look like
a stammering idiot, or does someone help you
with that shtick?
Do you specialise in being unable to answer simple questions chimpy?
Do you specialize in asking inane off-point questions, eh sucker?
I ask questions about Cuba, which you cannot answer. Why can't you ever
answer them, eh chimpy?

Why don't Cubans deserve basic freedoms?
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Obviously, since you don't seem to know fuck all about
the foreign policies or applied politics surrounding Cuba.
Yet you can never refute the facts I post, or even answer direct
questions.
Why are you such a pathological liar? Did your mother teach
you that, or were you raised by fascists?
Still no "lies" pointed out by you chimpy? And you're the one who
supports Castro's totalitarian regime, which makes you the only fascist
here, chimpy.
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Here's one: why does Castro imprison his critics?
Because those critics break Cuban law?
Heh, your fascism is showing again chimpy: now you support prison terms
for people who criticise the government.

Nice morals you got there chimpy.
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How stupid are you chimpy?
Quite apparently less than you are.
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Repeating the same lie over and over won't convince anyone
outside of your own inbred family, wanker boy.
Answer the question chimpy: do Americans travel to Cuba or not? Why
won't you answer this question?
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Why isn't it surprising that you'd spew more Miami Mafia lies
and propaganda. Wouldn't someone who was an enemy of
Fidel, and in prison there, actually be an ally of the U$A?
Not if they were just common criminals Castro wanted to unload, chimpy.
So the Castro gov't, like all civilized Gov't, actually imprisons
criminals, eh wanker? What a shocker!
Yes, unfortunately, unlike civilised countries, the Cuban govt
imprisons people who do such awful crimes as criticising Fidel, which
you yourself have just admitted.
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Or are you now going to admit that Fidel's prisons have
"real" criminals in them ....? ROTFLMAO!
Of course they do. Unfortunately, like all totalitarian shitholes,
they also have thousands of non-criminals.
So you finally admit the U$$A must be, according to your
own definition, a totalitarian shithole.
No, chimpy, stop lying.

Cuba is a totalitarian shithole (murders dissidents, locks up critics).
USA isn't.

LOL! Thanks
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for playing wanker, better luck next time.
You're stupid as usual chimpy. You don't get locked up in the USA for
criticising the government.
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Lol. Says the person who supports murdering those same people.
Sez the beeyah soaked auzzie who supports sending more
Cuban refugees BACK TO FIDEL than are allowed to
remain in the U$.
No I don't chimpy. Stop lying.
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What a shitsucking fascist scumbag you are.
Hey, you're the one who supports totalitarian Cuba, which makes you the
fascist, chimpy. I want freedom for the Cubans. You don't.

Why do you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
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Lol. Hang on, you said Cubans didn't need those "luxury" goods. Now
you're saying they denying them is making them "suffer". Heh. Make up
your mind fuckstick.
Get back to us when you're sober, you gutless spiv.
Another diversion from you chimpy.
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Do Cubans need those embargoed goods or not? Answer the question
chimpy.
Yes, the Cuban people would benefit greatly if the immoral U$ embargo
was lifted, that what the UN, Red Cross and every other humanitarian
agency has been saying loudly and clearly for the past 30 years, you
gutless fascist puke.
You said in a previous post that getting rid of the Embargo would
"destroy" Cuban with capitalism.

Now you are saying they would "benefit greatly"

Which one is it dickhead?

Not only that, you admitted the Cuban government denies the Cuban
people access to those goods available to tourists because it's
"greedy" and a "waste of capital". So, you yourself have admitted the
Cuban government is to blame.

Are you even aware of your idiotic contradictions, chimpy?
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Why to you suffer and torment the Cuban citizens, eh you sick fuck?
I don't, Castro does.

I support them having the freedom to vote, travel, protest and leave
Cuba.

You support none of these.

Why to you suffer and torment the Cuban citizens, eh you fascist chimp?
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and denies U$ citizens
the freedom to travel to Cuba
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Your repetitive lies only prove you to be the dishonest jackaninny
that you are.
Still not one lie pointed out
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, and that RETURNS to
Cuba any and all fleeing Cubans found at sea, returns
1000s right back to Fidel !
Why would that bother you? You think Fidel is great.
If he isn't so great, how could the U$A ethically or morally return
those 1000s of refugees, eh shitstain?
Guess they don't want that many refugees. Pity.

The problem of course, would be avoided if Castro wasn't such a
mass-murdering scumbag to begin with. Why do you support castro?
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What a phoney lowlife
cocksucker you really are, chump.
Says the guy who supports Castro murdering his own people.
Sez the beeyah soaked wanka who supports slaughtering
and exterminating the wogs.
No I dont, only you do, which is why you support castro.
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You'd make a good nazi, if you weren't such a dumbass, chimpy.
Sez the lowlife shitsucking lyin' auzzie swine.
Says the fella who supports the totalitarian castro and contradicts
himself in every post.
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And thousands more aren't allowed to. Why doesn't Castro let them
leave chimpy?
Why doesn't Bu$h let U$ citizens travel freely to Cuba, eh fuckwit?
He should, though that law is effectively nrarely enforced, so people
travel there anyway.

BTW, ou avoided the question again chimpy: why doesn't castro let
people leave?
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DOes that figure include the ones killed by the "resistance" trying to
overthrow democracy?
No, if you had a fucking clue you'd already know it doesn't.
Then you don't know too much about it, do you chimpy?
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And you're avoiding the point again chimpy: why do you support the
murder of people who try to leave Cuba?
Why does the U$A return to Cuba more refugees than it accepts, eh
scumbag?
It doesn't want that many refugees I guess. Why is it up to the USA to
look after Cubans anyway? Isn't that Castro's job?

Why do you support Castro when he murders and imprisons his own people,
eh fascist chimpy?
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Nice morals you've got there Chimpy.
You'd need to have any before you could even begin to
judge, you hypocritical shitsucking scumbag.
Yes, I have morals: I don't support a commie dictator who murders his
own people, chimpy.
LOL! Yet you support any fascist dictator or regime that murders "other"
people in addition their own ... ROTFLMAO !
Name one, chimpy.
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What a drunken fuck your
parents musta had when they conceived an imbecile like you.
Hey, explain your contradictions about the embargo again chimpy. They
don't say a lot for your IQ.
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Why do you support a murdering dictator chimpy? Why do you hate Cubans
so much chimpy?
Why do you support sending Cuban refugees back to Fidel, so they can
then continue to suffer under the immoral U$ embargo?
How does the "embargo" make fidel lock up critics, eh fascist?
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What kind
of sick fascist fuck are you?
One who supports freedom for Cubans, which makes me better than you.
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The USA accepts millions of immigrants chimpy.
Not from Cuba if found at sea, not from Haiti, not from any of
the countries listed above even if they make it to dry land,
you lying asswipe.
The USA does accept millions of immigrant chimpy - that isn't a "lie"
No, the U$A does not accept millions of immigrants you lying drunken
auzzie.
Lol. Then where did all the millions of immigrants in the USA come
from, you stupid fuckstick?
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Post by Tex
Now, why does Castro murder people who try to leave Cuba, and why does
he imprison people who criticise him?
Why does the U$A send more Cuban refugees back to Castro if they
care about them so much? Why does the U$ gov't hate and torture
the Cuban citizens?
They don't, castro does, and you support him when he does it. Why do
you hate Cubans so much chimpy?
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Post by Tex
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Why won't Castro let his people leave if they want?
Why won't Bu$h let his people visit Cuba and assist
those poor Cubans you claim to care so much about?
Avoiding the question yet again chimpy: Why won't Castro let his
people leave if they want?
Why doesn't Bu$h let U$ citizens travel freely, eh jackass?
Why are you too scared to answer this question chimpy?
Answered it many times, chimpy. There's a law which is lmost never
enforced, so thousands of americans travel there anyway.

Now, Why won't Castro let his people leave if they want?
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Post by Tex
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Oh, so you think freedom of speech, assembly, travel and democracy
should be denied to the Cuban people?
If it's good enough for the U$$A to deny it
Stop lying chimpy.
USA citizens can vote in free elections,
No, millions of them are directly denied the right to vote,
jackass.
Stop lying chimpy.

And the *entire population of Cuba* cannot democratically vote.

Your hypocrisy is amazing chimpy.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Cubans cannot
USA citizens can travel freely,
Your utterly pathetic lies only show you to be
the pathological scumbag that you really are.
No refutation of fact noted, chimpy.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Cubans cannot
USA citizens have freedom of assembly,
Your abject pig-ignorance of the reality of the
U$ political system makes you out to be some
drunken dullard.
No refutation of fact noted, chimpy.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Cubans don't
Cubans get thrown in jail for criticising their government, Americans
don't.
USA has non-government media which can criticise the government, Cuba
doesn't.
There chimpy.
Why does the U$A send more Cuban refugees back to Castro if they
care about them so much? Why does the U$ gov't hate and torture
the Cuban citizens?
They don't, Castro does, and you support him when he does it.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Now, why do you think freedom of speech,
assembly, travel and
democracy should be denied to the Cuban people?
For the same reasons the U$ Gov't denies and limits
them to it own?
Worng answer chimpy. The US gov doesn't deny these to their own.

face it chimpy: Americans have freedoms Cubans can only dream about.
Which is why so many Cubans risk their lives to escape to the USA.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Straight answer now chimpy, don't dodge the question.
Asked and answered. Do pay attention.
Your previous "answer" was "why should they?".

Charming. nice morals you go there chimpy. Why do you hate Cubans so
much?
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Why won't you allow ALL Cubans into the U$$A whether or not
they make it to dry land? What kind of sick fuck are you and Bu$h
to send Cubans who make it all the way to within yards of
Miami Beach BACK to Fidel?
Lol. You really can't make your mind up, can you chimpy? You think
Cuba is great, you support Castro murdering people who try to leave, but
you're outraged the USA sends some back to Fidel.
You're a compelte schitzoid, chimpy.
That would define the U$ Foreign policy toward Cuba to a T.
Even if that were the case, why do *you* support Castro murdering and
imprisoning his own people, chimpy?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
They have more freedom in *every* aspect of life than *any* ordinary
Cuban.
So that's your entire point, eh wanka? That Cuba isn't like the U$A ?
No, that Cubans deserve basic freedoms that Americans enjoy. Why do you
oppose this, eh chimpy? Why don't Cubans deserve to be as free as
americans? Why do you hate Cubans so much?
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Post by Tex
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Why shouldn't the 1000s of innocents being held incommunicado
at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and other secret U$ concentration,
torture and murder camps have the basic rights of humanity?
There's a war on,
Really? So when did Congress declare war?
Lol. So there was no war, eh chimpy? Must come as a surprise to the
Afghans and Iraqis.
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Post by Tex
and they're foreign terrorists.
Says who?
Says sane people
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Post by Tex
Why does Castro do those things to his own people, on a much larger
scale? Answer that one chimpy.
So now it's a matter of scale, eh wanker?
Nope, just pointing out your staggeing hyporcisry: you shed crocodile
tears about Islamist terrorists being held prisoner, but you are A-OK
with castro doing even worse things to his own people for no reason
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You really are lower than the spots on a snake's ass, aren't you wanker?
Yes, you certainly are, Mr Castro-lover.
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Post by Tex
Your continuing inability to refute any point is noted chimpy.
No need to refute such obvious lies and distortions from your
slobbering pie-hole, chump.
So, you cannot refute them. Just as I thought.

Your complete lack of facts and solid arguments is painfully obvious
chimpy.
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Post by Tex
Personally? No.
Why do you support Castro murdering those same people, eh fascist
swine? You really are schitzo.
Why would the U$$A send those refugees directly back to such
a "murderer", eh liar?
They accept those who make it to land.

Why is it the USAs job to look after every Cuban? That's Castro's job,
and he seems to prefer imprisoning and murdering his own people, which
seems OK by you, fascist chimpy.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Way too many get turned back, but those who make it to land get
accepted, and taste freedom for the first time in their lives.
So why send more back than are accepted, eh chump?
See above, chimpy.

Why do you support Castro imprisoning and murdering those same people?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Now chimpy, why do you support Castro murdering those same people?
Castro murdered someone? Whom?
Personally, probably noone since he took over. Just like hitler.
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Post by Tex
Why are you upset about the fate of people you think should be killed
anyway? Care to explain this contradiction, eh schitzochimp?
Why would the U$A send refugees directly back to a "murderer"
as you claim, simply because their feet are wet. What kind of
lowlife fascist swine are you?
See above, chimpy.

Why do you support Castro imprisoning and murdering those same people,
eh fascist chimpy?
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Post by Tex
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Even more on point, why doesn't the U$$A allow it's citizens to
visit Cuba, eh punk boy?
They want to economically strangulate the commie regime.
Funny, you don't even know what type of political/economic
system exists in Cuba.
Actually I do chimpy, and I know a lot more about it than you
obviously.
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Do you practice your pig-ignorance or
does it come naturally?
So remind me: do Americans travel to Cuba or not?
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Post by Tex
You weren't even aware that people from the USA travelled to Cuba.
Your lies really are quite pathetic, you drunken wanka.
So remind me: do Americans travel to Cuba or not?
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Post by Tex
And, unlike Cuba, their government doesn't try to stop them from
leaving chimpy. You're quite dumb, chimpy.
Are you trying for some usenet record for the most number of
repeated lies in the same post?
So remind me: do Americans travel to Cuba or not?
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LOl. you dickhead. Are you aware that the USA is the no.2 source
of visits to Cuba?
You lie yet again you lowlife shitsucking puke. Germany was #2 in
tourists visits to Cuba, just behind Canada.
My apologies chimpy, and "2nd" figure was from 2001.
No, it wasn't. You lie again, scumbag.
Yes it was, scumbag.

http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/905.cfm

Why are you lying?

Now remind me: do Americans travel to Cuba or not?
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Post by Tex
And it comes from the Cubans themselves, chimpy.
So now you believe Fidel, eh schizoid liar?
No, but it's obvious Americans *do* travel to Cuba
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Post by Tex
Now, did 200,000 USA citizens visit Cuba or not, chimpy?
Contact the U$ Treasury Dept OFAC and find out for yourself
if they issued that many restrictive licenses to visit Cuba, chump.
Care to put your $$ where you lying mouth is, eh numbnuts?
Have you *maybe* considered the possibility that people travelled
without those licences, eh chimpy?

Now remind me: do Americans travel to Cuba or not?
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Post by Tex
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Are you a pathological liar, or do you get paid to lie?
Youre still pretending that people from the USA don't travel to Cuba.
The U$A prohibits travel, in fact criminalizes it, for the average U$
citizen. If you had any fucking clue what you were talking about,
you would have known that.
So, do Americans travel to Cuba or not?

Seems a simple question. Why can't you answer it?
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And how many of them were jailed for it?
And why won't castro let Cubans travel where they want, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A let U$ citizens travel where they want, eh puke?
They do chimpy, as the 200,000 who travelled to Cuba in one year can
tell you.
So now you take Fidel at his word, eh shitstain?
No, but it's obvious Americans *do* travel to Cuba.

So, do Americans travel to Cuba or not? Yes or No?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
And even if they hadn't, they can travel elsewhere at will.
Backing away from another of your pathetic lies, eh banana bender?
Nope, and it wasn't a lie. The point chimpy - as you're obviously too
dumb to understand - is that even if your lie about
no-Americans-go-to-Cuba was true, Americans would still have more
travel freedoms than Cubans, which make you a hypocrite yet again.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
So, does Castro let any Cuban leave if they want to? Waiting for you
answer chimpy.
Why should Castro allow what the U$ doesn't allow, eh dill?
The USA *does* allow it fuckwit? How many americans need to escape
their country by raft because their government won't allow them to
leave?

Compare that to your Cuban hellhole chimpy.
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Post by Tex
They should, apart from spies and common crooks.
Yet they send more Cuban refugees back to Fidel every
year then they allow to stay. Why do you hate the
refugees like that, eh jackass?
I dont.

Why do *you* hate them chimpy: you're the one who supports castro
killing them.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Now, back to the question you keep avoiding over and over: Why doesn't
Castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A allow it's citizens the freedom to visit Cuba, eh dipstick?
So, do Americans travel to Cuba or not?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Truth hurts, doesn't it chimpy?
Will let you know when you deliver some truth, chump.
I do, chimp. You just can't handle it.

So, do Americans travel to Cuba or not?
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Post by Tex
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Besides, why should they be attacked/invaded?
Why should Cuba be attacked/invaded?
well, it isn't being attacked/invaded chimpy.
Is there any limit to your abject ignorance?
No refutation of fact noted.
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Post by Tex
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Why doesn't the U$A accept all Cuban refugees, eh scumsucker?
They should, apart from spies and common crooks.
Yet, they don't. Why does the U$ gov't punish and suffer the
poor Cuban refugees like that, eh chimp?
See above, chimpy.

Why do you support Castro imprisoning and murdering those same people,
eh fascist chimpy? Make you mind up chimp.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Now, back to the question you keep avoiding over and over: Why doesn't
Castro let people leave, chimpy?
Why doesn't the U$A allow it's citizens the right to travel freely to
Cuba?
See above chimpy.
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Post by Tex
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Sez the lowlife scumbag who supports sending
refugees back.
Well, I don't chimpy......and yet you support *murdering* them,
You lie again, asswipe.
You're on record as supporting Castro policies. Castro murders and
imprisons those who try to leave.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
yet you're concerned about them being "sent back". heheheh....make your
mind up fucktard.
So which is it, asswipe? The U$$A knowingly sends refugees back to Fidel
who will "murder" them as you claim, or Fidel doesn't murder them?
Got an answer, eh jackass?
Yes: fidel murders and imprisons them. Why does he do this to his own
people, eh fascist chimp?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
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USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who flee
that totalitarian shithole.
Why do you lie?
I'm not: USA gives refuge to thousands upon thousands of Cubans who
flee that totalitarian shithole.
The U$A sends MORE Cuban refugees back to Fidel every year for
decades than it allows to stay in the U$ for propaganda purposes.
But you knew that, didn't you chimp?
So, you admit the USA accepts thousands of refugees.

The question is, why does Castro murder and imprison those who try to
leave?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Tell me chimpy: where did the Cubans in Miami come from?
You mean the Miami Mafia? The Criminal Battistaites and Gangsters
who were bleeding Cuba dry before the PEOPLE revolted and threw
the scumbags out, or better yet, killed the swine on the spot.
So, you're saying Cuban refugees in Miami are murderers?

Prove it chimpy, or I'll have to conclude you're lying again.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Lol, love the way you use the word "hypocrite" when you support
murdering those same people chimpy.
Sez the lowlife scumbag who supports the U$$A sending more
refugees
Hang on, you just called them "Criminal Battistaites and Gangsters"
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back to Fidel
Actually, I think they should be allowed in, chimpy
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than it allows to remain for cheap political
propaganda. Then chokes and strangles them with the embargo
and economic sabotage.
You just said that getting rid of the embargo would "destroy" Cuba. Now
you're saying the embargo is "choking" them. Heh. What a dick.

Which is it idiot? Do you want the embargo lifted or not?

And how is it that the "embargo" doesn't stop the tourist areas from
getting access to decent goods and services? You support the Cubans
being locked out from this, yet you whine about them "suffering"

Why are you supporting policies which make them suffer chimpy?
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Post by Tex
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Yep, another one of your preposterous self-contradictory corners
you painted yourself into with your absurdly false, rabid-blind
Miami Mafia propaganda.
Strange then, that you still cannot answer direct questions, or refute
any facts I post.
You haven't posted any facts, and all your lies have be thoroughly refuted,
Where? You haven't refuted any of them.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
I'm telling the truth,
Lies ain't the truth, liar.
Pity then, you can't point out any "lies" then liar.

Why do you hate Cubans so much, chimpy?
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Post by Tex
posting facts,
Your pathetic and demonstrable lies are there for all to see, jackass.
Why can't you refute anything I've posted then?
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Post by Tex
and answering questions chimpy.
You're avoiding questions, changing topics and openly supporting the
murder of cubans, chimpy.
Sez the jackass fascist swine who supports sending more Cuban refugees
back to Fidel every year than are allowed to stay.
You just said these people are "Criminal Battistaites and Gangsters",
and you support castro killing/imprisoning them.

Charming.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Real fucking compassionate
you are, asswipe.
Yes, I am. I want Cubans to live in freedom. You want them to live
under Castro's totalitarian system.

Facist chimp.
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Sez the dipshit who didn't even know it was illegal for the average
U$ citizen to visit Cuba
I was aware of the laws, but I'm saying Americans travel to Cuba
anyway, dickhead, and they don't get killed or imprisoned for doing it,
which makes the USA better than Cuba in yet another comparison.

, or even send $$ or aid directly to any
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of the "needy, suffering" cubans you claim to care about.
So cry me a river of crocodile tears you gutless puke.
And you support denying them the vote, freedom of speech, freedom of
travel, freedom of assembly. You won't even let them have access to the
goods and services available to tourists because you think it is
"greedy" and a "waste of capital".

Why do you hate Cubans so much, you gutless puke?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Indeed. Who'd want to go to that shithole? Must be leftist idiots.
Yeah, aid workers, health workers, humanitarians ...
Are these the non-existent American visitors you say don't travel to
Cuba?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
BTW, are you now admitting USA citizens can travel to Cuba?
The average U$ citizen is denied the freedom to travel to Cuba,
or to send or render assistance any Cubans, or to even assist a Cuban
refugee to arrive dry-foot in the U$A -- in fact it's a FELONY
to do so. But you knew that, didn't you you lowlife lying fascist.
So, do Americans travel to Cuba or not: Yes or No?
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Post by Tex
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Even the commies own tourist office said 200,000 US citizens
visited Cuba in 2001 alone, and they're still visiting, chimpy.
So now you trust what Fidel says, eh scumquat?
No, but if even the Cubans admit that Americans are able to visit, it
makes your reality denial look a little stupid doesn't it chimpy?
So now you trust Fidel ...? How fucking quaint.
So, do Americans travel to Cuba or not: Yes or No?
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Post by Tex
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Call the U$ Dept. of Treasury and see if they issued 200,000
special permits to U$ citizens to visit Cuba, chimp, then go
cram another banana up your ass for being such an imbecile.
What is it with you and the anus/banana fetish?
Why do you insist on jamming them up your ass, eh chimp?
More of your sexual banana obsessions. It's quite disturbing. get some
help for that, chimpy.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Yes or no: did 200,000 USA folks travel to Cuba? Answer the question
chimpy.
Quite certainly, and indisputably, no.
So, how many Americans do travel to Cuba, eh chimpy?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Compared to Castro, they WERE the 'good old days'. At the very least,
people were allowed to leave if they didn't like it.
Funny, those same "people" decided that instead of leaving, they'd
just slaughter and kill any of those corrupt murderous Battistaites
who didn't themselves get the fuck out of Cuba, eh? LOL!
Yes. Unfortunately, they got Castro instead, who is worse than batista
in ever way.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Why aren't Cubans allowed to leave now chimpy?
Why aren't U$ citizens allowed to visit, eh chump?
Then why do so many travel there, eh chimpy?

(What happened to the "aid workers, health workers, humanitarians" you
were talking about?)
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Good for them. Pity they replaced him with Fidel, who murders and
tortures and oppresses mroe than batista could ever dream about.
And your proof of this preposterous claim is what, like exactly?
Do some research, chimpy, starting here:

http://therealcuba.com
http://www.hrw.org/press/1999/jul/cuba0722.htm
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/cuba/child_abuse.htm
http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/ccpdh.html
http://www.ccsi.com/~ams/nuestracuba/murdered.html
http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/estoria.presidio.html
http://www.geocities.com/policraticus/
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Post by Tex
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You might actually be the dumbest person on usenet.
Yet, in your case there is no doubt.
Yet, I'm the only one of us who knew Americans still travelled to Cuba.
ROTFLMAO! It's quite apparent to everyone that you have no
fucking idea that the U$A makes it a FELONY for the average
american to visit Cuba
Then why aren't all those Americans who visit Cuba thrown in prison,
stupid chimp?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
The only crap you "know" is the trite and tired propaganda
and lies of the Miami Mafia.
Strange that you can't refute any of these "lies"
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Not surprising you'd jump
in with a bunch of scumbag fascist swine, it suits you well.
LOL. Well, at least they don't advocate Castro murdering and
imprisoning his own people, you lowlife chimpy turd.

Why do you hate Cubans so much?
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Why does Castro lock up political opponents, chimpy? No change of
topic: answer the question.
Why does the U$$A lock up 1000s of innocent civilians,
incommunicado,
in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture and kill them?
They've "tortured and killed" 'thousands'?
Better lay off the bong
chimpy. There are people in jail, they're called islamist terrorists.
Funny, there being no evidence that they are, eh?
Other than being islamist terrorists you mean?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
This is the best counter-example you can think of?
Why does Castro lock up 1000s of his OWN innocent civilians,
incommunicado, in violation of ALL international treaties, and torture
and kill them?
Does he? Got any proof?
http://therealcuba.com
http://www.hrw.org/press/1999/jul/cuba0722.htm
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/cuba/child_abuse.htm
http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/ccpdh.html
http://www.ccsi.com/~ams/nuestracuba/murdered.html
http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/estoria.presidio.html
http://www.geocities.com/policraticus/
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Why does the U$$A lock up 1000s of OTHER innocent civilians,
incommunicado, in violation of ALL international treaties,
and torture, rape and kill them?
There's a war on chimpy, and they all enjoy more legal rights than the
entire Cuban population does. Kinda ironic, isn't it chimpy?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
You still haven't answered that question chimpy.
Why should Fidel be held to a higher standard than G "fundie crusader" Bu$h ?
He shouldn't and isn't. DOesn't explain why he brutalises his own
population and why you support him when he does so, chimpy.
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Ironically, the embargo is what kept capitalism from ruining
Cuba, from becoming just another capitalist shithole suburb of
Miami. If you want to destroy Fidel/Socialism completely, lift the
immoral embargo entirely, if you want the Cuban people to
suffer, then continue with the misguided, immoral policies
of the last 40 years.
Lol - so now you admit the Cubans should allow their own people to
access capitalism, just like their leadership and the tourist zones do?
You really are a schitzo.
Have someone who comprehends English read that paragraph to
you again, chimp ... real slow this time.
yes, I have read your schitzoid positions on the embargo: you shift
endless from saying it strangles the people, to saying its a good thing
because lifting it would "destroy" the people. Then you say the Cuban
govt is actually right to deny their own people those goods and
services because it's a "waste of capital" and greedy".

So which is it chimpy? Should the embargo be lifted or not? And why do
you support Castro's embargo on his own people? Wouldn't this making
lifting the embargo useless anyway?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
You never pose relevant on-point questions, dipstick.
Yes I do, they're just too painful for you to answer, chimpy.
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If you are ignorant of the answers to the questions you
ask, then look up the answers yourself. If you think you know
the answers already, then phrase them in a cogent statement of
fact to support your premise, whatever the fuck that may be.
The ONLY point you've succeeded in proving in all your
stammering and spew is that the U$A has a higher GNP than Cuba.
Higher GNP, higher standards of living, more freedoms in every aspect
of life.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Why does Castro lock up his critics?
Why does Bu$h imprison 1000s in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib,
without charges, without lawyers, without access to the Red Cross,
incommunicado, and torture and murder them?
Question avoided again chimpy: Why does Castro lock up his critics?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Did you talk to any of the political opponents Castro has thrown in
prison, chimpy?
Unlike you, I prefer to avoid associating with criminals.
So, criticising Fidel makes you a "criminal" eh?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
As I stated,
and you ignored, I did speak at length with an old Communist Party
Member in Cuba, who complained at length that Fidel sold out
the Communist Revolution back in 1963, and had long ago taken
the country to socialism.
Yet, you don't bother to talk to people who Fidel had brutalised.

Some hero you are, stupid hypocrite chimp.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by Tex
Seem like Cubans aren't free to speak after all.
Which of course is just another lie from you, contradicted by
what's already been posted.
Why isn't Dr. Oliver Biscet free to speak?
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Post by Tex
Why can't you deal with reality chimpy? Why are Cubans imprisoned for
criticising Castro, eh chimpy?
The reality that you have no fucking idea what Cuba is like, and
haven't even been there for a visit, much less a study of what's
really going on? No, the reality of your pig-ignorance wallowing
in blatant lies is quite evident.
Yet you can't show me one single "lie" or refute any facts I post,
chimpy.
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(have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro lock him up, Chimpy?)
Have you heard of Orlando Bosch ?
Yes.
Now, answer my question: have you heard of Dr Biscet? Why did Castro
lock him up, Chimpy?
Hey chimpy, you didn't answer this one. If Cubans are "free to speak",
how do you explain this one?
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If you don't believe it, then
get the fuck up off your lazy fat ass and go visit Cuba for
yourself
Sorry, I don't visit commie totalitarian shitholes.
Yet, as you claim, 200,000 U$ civilians do. Why is that, chimp?
Why don't you ask them, they're the ones travelling there chimpy.
You claim to know everything else about which you have
zero direct experience, why not pull some more wild speculation
out of your ass on this one too?
So, how many Americans travel to Cuba chimpy?
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And even the *Cubans* admit that americans travel there.
So now you trust Fidel, eh? LOL!
Contact the U$ Treasury Dept. OFAC and find out the
facts for yourself, chimp, of how many U$ citizens
were legally allowed to travel to Cuba as tourists.
Stupid idea chimp: as I've said. People travel without those fabulous
permissions?
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Go ahead, what's stopping you? Surely can't be the fear
that you'll make more of a jackass out of yourself, can it?
So: do Americans travel to Cuba or not chimpy?
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Why does the U$A send terrorists and criminal agents down
there to destabilize Cuba?
Because it's a totalitarian shithole, and they don't send
"terrorists".
Even the FBI admits they do, jackass.
What "terrorists" jackass?
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Now, why does castro imprison his critics? (You realise you've never
been able to answer this question?)
Why do "the critics" break Cuban laws?
I thought you said Cubans were free to speak, chimpy. Now you admit
it's against the law. Heh. You're such a cretin you can't even keep
from contradicting yourself chimpy.
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Why does the U$A imprison
people who break it's laws
The difference, you lowlife fascist chimp, is that the us laws that can
be broken don't include criticising the government.

Why does Castro imprison people who criticise him, chimpy? Why is Dr
Oliver Biscet in jail?

Why do you support castro doing this, chimpy?
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and even imprison 1000s of those who
don't break ANY U$ laws?
You mean the Islamist murderes caught in the war against terror?
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Answer the question you stammering jackass.
Answered. Now, when will you answer mine chimpy?

Why do you hate Cubans so much?
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Why do you lie?
Even the *Cubans* admit 200,000 USA folks visited Cuba in one year,
chimpy.
So now you accept Fidel's word as truth, eh?
Nope, but it's obvious that some Americans travel there.
Pay attention jackass,
U$ Tourism to Cuba is ILLEGAL, a FELONY.

So tell us moron, why didn't you know that before you
started flapping your ignorant suck-hole?

Why are U$ citizens allowed the freedom and liberty
to travel to Cuba , eh chimp?
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Why do you lie?
Even the *Cubans* admit 200,000 USA folks visited Cuba in one year,
chimpy.
So now you accept Fidel's word as truth, eh?
Nope, but it's obvious that some Americans travel there.
Pay attention jackass,
U$ Tourism to Cuba is ILLEGAL, a FELONY.
So tell us moron, why didn't you know that before you
started flapping your ignorant suck-hole?
Why aren't U$ citizens allowed the freedom and liberty
to travel to Cuba , eh chimp?
t***@gmail.com
2005-08-01 00:24:38 UTC
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Why do you lie?
Even the *Cubans* admit 200,000 USA folks visited Cuba in one year,
chimpy.
So now you accept Fidel's word as truth, eh?
Nope, but it's obvious that some Americans travel there.
Pay attention jackass,
U$ Tourism to Cuba is ILLEGAL, a FELONY.
Why wont you answer the quesion: do Americans travel to the US or not?
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So tell us moron, why didn't you know that before you
started flapping your ignorant suck-hole?
I knew about the rule, I also know nobody pays attention to it, and
unlike the Cuban government, the US government doesn't imprison and
murder people for travelling outside their own country.
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Why are U$ citizens allowed the freedom and liberty
to travel to Cuba , eh chimp?
Lol. Are you sure that's the question you meant to ask?

So tell me: do Americans travel to Cuba or not, eh chimpy?
Michael Voytinsky
2005-07-27 01:55:20 UTC
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Lol. Fuckwit. How are people building their own craft "hijacking"
something?
That one is easy to answer. If they use any state property in building of
the craft (and since so many thing are state property, this will inevitably
happen), they are in fact hijacking a state-owned craft. Therefore they are
hijackers and deserver to be punished appropriately.
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Waiting for your answer chimpy: why does Castro kill or imprison people
who try to leave?
Because they are trying to leave on stolen government property. Note that
no one gets imprisoned or killed for simply swimming to Florida.
H Dickmann
2005-07-26 13:11:37 UTC
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So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Quite a bit sharper than you obviously
Brillaint retort.
Hey, just following your lead, chimpy
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Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from falling down.
Due to the 40 years of Economic Assassination and Strangulation by
the U$$A's Embargo.
Idiot.

Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?

http://therealcuba.com/two_cubas.htm
http://therealcuba.com/whereistheblockade.htm

How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?

How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to flee his
paradise?
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Now go pound a banana up your ass, chimp.
Well, people in capitalist countries can actually afford to eat
bananas.
Yeah, how fucking quaint, off the blood, suffering and sweat
of those in 3rd world shitholes who are forced to grow
and pick them.
No, it's because they can buy food off producers who can export a good
product

You really should learn to think for yourself, dopestick.
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Hey, check out beautiful havana!...
http://therealcuba.com/page2.htm
Christ, what a shithole. No wonder people risk drowning to escape that
place....
Don't look any worse than East St. Louis, or Baltimore ... and it's a whole
lot safer than either of those cesspools of "capitalism". LOL!
So, you admit all of Cuba is a filthy shithole, and the average
american has living standards light-years ahead of the average Cuban.

Why exactly do you think Cubans want to emigrate en masse to the USA,
hmmm?
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Prisoners (per 1,000 people)
Maybe they shouldn't break the law then.

PS. perhaps you'd like to explain why Castro imprisons political
opponents.
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Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)
United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7
LOL. As opposed to peaceful Cuba, where you can get tortured,
imprisoned and killed for speaking out against the government.

Get mistreated in the USA, you can at least sue.
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Death row inmates
United States 2,124
Quite a lot less than the people murdered by Castro without trial.

Geez, not doing too well with the comparisons, are you dumbass?
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Murder rate (per 100,000 people)
United States 8.40
Where are the Cuban stats?
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Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)
United States 24.4
Where are the Cuban stats?
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Rape (per 100,000 people)
United States 37.20
Where are the Cuban stats?
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Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)
United States 221
On of the downsides to being rich.

There's noone in Cuba to rob.

Now Chimpy, explain why thousands of Cubans risk drowining every year
to escape that wonderful "paradise".

Greed and materialism.
The same reason Jesus Christ was crucified.
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So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist
as G "village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Quite a bit sharper than you obviously
Brillaint retort.
Hey, just following your lead, chimpy
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Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from falling down.
Due to the 40 years of Economic Assassination and Strangulation by
the U$$A's Embargo.
Idiot.
Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?
Same reason the crushing poverty in the U$ appalachias and southern
states does not affect the material conditions in the U$ Tourist areas, jackass.
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http://therealcuba.com/two_cubas.htm
http://therealcuba.com/whereistheblockade.htm
How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
How does Castro force the U$A to imprison and torture dissidents?
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to flee his
paradise?
How does Castro force the U$A to attack and slaughter all the women and
children peaceably congregated in their church?
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Now go pound a banana up your ass, chimp.
Well, people in capitalist countries can actually afford to eat
bananas.
Yeah, how fucking quaint, off the blood, suffering and sweat
of those in 3rd world shitholes who are forced to grow
and pick them.
No, it's because they can buy food off producers who can export a good
product
A prodict made off the suffering, sweat and blood of nations impoverished
by U$ economic assassination.

We speak with John Perkins, a former respected member of the international
banking community. In his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man he describes
how as a highly paid professional, he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries
around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than
they could possibly repay and then take over their economies. [includes rush
transcript]

John Perkins describes himself as a former economic hit man - a highly paid
professional who cheated countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars.
20 years ago Perkins began writing a book with the working title, "Conscience of
an Economic Hit Men."

Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two
countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as
kindred spirits - Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos,
president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not
accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of
corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We
Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type
of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped
in.

John Perkins goes on to write: "I was persuaded to stop writing that book. I
started it four more times during the next twenty years. On each occasion, my
decision to begin again was influenced by current world events: the U.S.
invasion of Panama in 1980, the first Gulf War, Somalia, and the rise of Osama
bin Laden. However, threats or bribes always convinced me to stop."

But now Perkins has finally published his story. The book is titled Confessions
of an Economic Hit Man. John Perkins joins us now in our Firehouse studios.


a.. John Perkins, from 1971 to 1981 he worked for the international consulting
firm of Chas T. Main where he was a self-described "economic hit man." He is the
author of the new book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.
AMY GOODMAN: John Perkins joins us now in our firehouse studio. Welcome to
Democracy Now!

JOHN PERKINS: Thank you, Amy. It's great to be here.

AMY GOODMAN: It's good to have you with us. Okay, explain this term, "economic
hit man," e.h.m., as you call it.

JOHN PERKINS: Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is
to build up the American empire. To bring -- to create situations where as many
resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our
government, and in fact we've been very successful. We've built the largest
empire in the history of the world. It's been done over the last 50 years since
World War II with very little military might, actually. It's only in rare
instances like Iraq where the military comes in as a last resort. This empire,
unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through
economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people
into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of
that.

AMY GOODMAN: How did you become one? Who did you work for?

JOHN PERKINS: Well, I was initially recruited while I was in business school
back in the late sixties by the National Security Agency, the nation's largest
and least understood spy organization; but ultimately I worked for private
corporations. The first real economic hit man was back in the early 1950's,
Kermit Roosevelt, the grandson of Teddy, who overthrew of government of Iran, a
democratically elected government, Mossadegh's government who was Time's
magazine person of the year; and he was so successful at doing this without any
bloodshed -- well, there was a little bloodshed, but no military intervention,
just spending millions of dollars and replaced Mossadegh with the Shah of Iran.
At that point, we understood that this idea of economic hit man was an extremely
good one. We didn't have to worry about the threat of war with Russia when we
did it this way. The problem with that was that Roosevelt was a C.I.A. agent. He
was a government employee. Had he been caught, we would have been in a lot of
trouble. It would have been very embarrassing. So, at that point, the decision
was made to use organizations like the C.I.A. and the N.S.A. to recruit
potential economic hit men like me and then send us to work for private
consulting companies, engineering firms, construction companies, so that if we
were caught, there would be no connection with the government.

AMY GOODMAN: Okay. Explain the company you worked for.

JOHN PERKINS: Well, the company I worked for was a company named Chas. T. Main
in Boston, Massachusetts. We were about 2,000 employees, and I became its chief
economist. I ended up having fifty people working for me. But my real job was
deal-making. It was giving loans to other countries, huge loans, much bigger
than they could possibly repay. One of the conditions of the loan-let's say a $1
billion to a country like Indonesia or Ecuador-and this country would then have
to give ninety percent of that loan back to a U.S. company, or U.S. companies,
to build the infrastructure-a Halliburton or a Bechtel. These were big ones.
Those companies would then go in and build an electrical system or ports or
highways, and these would basically serve just a few of the very wealthiest
families in those countries. The poor people in those countries would be stuck
ultimately with this amazing debt that they couldn't possibly repay. A country
today like Ecuador owes over fifty percent of its national budget just to pay
down its debt. And it really can't do it. So, we literally have them over a
barrel. So, when we want more oil, we go to Ecuador and say, "Look, you're not
able to repay your debts, therefore give our oil companies your Amazon rain
forest, which are filled with oil." And today we're going in and destroying
Amazonian rain forests, forcing Ecuador to give them to us because they've
accumulated all this debt. So we make this big loan, most of it comes back to
the United States, the country is left with the debt plus lots of interest, and
they basically become our servants, our slaves. It's an empire. There's no two
ways about it. It's a huge empire. It's been extremely successful.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to John Perkins, author of Confessions of an Economic
Hit Man. You say because of bribes and other reason you didn't write this book
for a long time. What do you mean? Who tried to bribe you, or who -- what are
the bribes you accepted?

JOHN PERKINS: Well, I accepted a half a million dollar bribe in the nineties not
to write the book.

AMY GOODMAN: From?

JOHN PERKINS: From a major construction engineering company.

AMY GOODMAN: Which one?

JOHN PERKINS: Legally speaking, it wasn't -- Stoner-Webster. Legally speaking it
wasn't a bribe, it was -- I was being paid as a consultant. This is all very
legal. But I essentially did nothing. It was a very understood, as I explained
in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, that it was -- I was -- it was understood
when I accepted this money as a consultant to them I wouldn't have to do much
work, but I mustn't write any books about the subject, which they were aware
that I was in the process of writing this book, which at the time I called
"Conscience of an Economic Hit Man." And I have to tell you, Amy, that, you
know, it's an extraordinary story from the standpoint of -- It's almost James
Bondish, truly, and I mean--

AMY GOODMAN: Well that's certainly how the book reads.

JOHN PERKINS: Yeah, and it was, you know? And when the National Security Agency
recruited me, they put me through a day of lie detector tests. They found out
all my weaknesses and immediately seduced me. They used the strongest drugs in
our culture, sex, power and money, to win me over. I come from a very old New
England family, Calvinist, steeped in amazingly strong moral values. I think I,
you know, I'm a good person overall, and I think my story really shows how this
system and these powerful drugs of sex, money and power can seduce people,
because I certainly was seduced. And if I hadn't lived this life as an economic
hit man, I think I'd have a hard time believing that anybody does these things.
And that's why I wrote the book, because our country really needs to understand,
if people in this nation understood what our foreign policy is really about,
what foreign aid is about, how our corporations work, where our tax money goes,
I know we will demand change.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to John Perkins. In your book, you talk about how you
helped to implement a secret scheme that funneled billions of dollars of Saudi
Arabian petrol dollars back into the U.S. economy, and that further cemented the
intimate relationship between the House of Saud and successive U.S.
administrations. Explain.

JOHN PERKINS: Yes, it was a fascinating time. I remember well, you're probably
too young to remember, but I remember well in the early seventies how OPEC
exercised this power it had, and cut back on oil supplies. We had cars lined up
at gas stations. The country was afraid that it was facing another 1929-type of
crash-depression; and this was unacceptable. So, they -- the Treasury Department
hired me and a few other economic hit men. We went to Saudi Arabia. We --

AMY GOODMAN: You're actually called economic hit men --e.h.m.'s?

JOHN PERKINS: Yeah, it was a tongue-in-cheek term that we called ourselves.
Officially, I was a chief economist. We called ourselves e.h.m.'s. It was
tongue-in-cheek. It was like, nobody will believe us if we say this, you know?
And, so, we went to Saudi Arabia in the early seventies. We knew Saudi Arabia
was the key to dropping our dependency, or to controlling the situation. And we
worked out this deal whereby the Royal House of Saud agreed to send most of
their petro-dollars back to the United States and invest them in U.S. government
securities. The Treasury Department would use the interest from these securities
to hire U.S. companies to build Saudi Arabia-new cities, new
infrastructure-which we've done. And the House of Saud would agree to maintain
the price of oil within acceptable limits to us, which they've done all of these
years, and we would agree to keep the House of Saud in power as long as they did
this, which we've done, which is one of the reasons we went to war with Iraq in
the first place. And in Iraq we tried to implement the same policy that was so
successful in Saudi Arabia, but Saddam Hussein didn't buy. When the economic hit
men fail in this scenario, the next step is what we call the jackals. Jackals
are C.I.A.-sanctioned people that come in and try to foment a coup or
revolution. If that doesn't work, they perform assassinations. or try to. In the
case of Iraq, they weren't able to get through to Saddam Hussein. He had -- His
bodyguards were too good. He had doubles. They couldn't get through to him. So
the third line of defense, if the economic hit men and the jackals fail, the
next line of defense is our young men and women, who are sent in to die and
kill, which is what we've obviously done in Iraq.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you explain how Torrijos died?

JOHN PERKINS: Omar Torrijos, the President of Panama. Omar Torrijos had signed
the Canal Treaty with Carter much -- and, you know, it passed our congress by
only one vote. It was a highly contended issue. And Torrijos then also went
ahead and negotiated with the Japanese to build a sea-level canal. The Japanese
wanted to finance and construct a sea-level canal in Panama. Torrijos talked to
them about this which very much upset Bechtel Corporation, whose president was
George Schultz and senior council was Casper Weinberger. When Carter was thrown
out (and that's an interesting story-how that actually happened), when he lost
the election, and Reagan came in and Schultz came in as Secretary of State from
Bechtel, and Weinberger came from Bechtel to be Secretary of Defense, they were
extremely angry at Torrijos -- tried to get him to renegotiate the Canal Treaty
and not to talk to the Japanese. He adamantly refused. He was a very principled
man. He had his problem, but he was a very principled man. He was an amazing
man, Torrijos. And so, he died in a fiery airplane crash, which was connected to
a tape recorder with explosives in it, which -- I was there. I had been working
with him. I knew that we economic hit men had failed. I knew the jackals were
closing in on him, and the next thing, his plane exploded with a tape recorder
with a bomb in it. There's no question in my mind that it was C.I.A. sanctioned,
and most -- many Latin American investigators have come to the same conclusion.
Of course, we never heard about that in our country.

AMY GOODMAN: So, where -- when did your change your heart happen?

JOHN PERKINS: I felt guilty throughout the whole time, but I was seduced. The
power of these drugs, sex, power, and money, was extremely strong for me. And,
of course, I was doing things I was being patted on the back for. I was chief
economist. I was doing things that Robert McNamara liked and so on.

AMY GOODMAN: How closely did you work with the World Bank?

JOHN PERKINS: Very, very closely with the World Bank. The World Bank provides
most of the money that's used by economic hit men, it and the I.M.F. But when
9/11 struck, I had a change of heart. I knew the story had to be told because
what happened at 9/11 is a direct result of what the economic hit men are doing.
And the only way that we're going to feel secure in this country again and that
we're going to feel good about ourselves is if we use these systems we've put
into place to create positive change around the world. I really believe we can
do that. I believe the World Bank and other institutions can be turned around
and do what they were originally intended to do, which is help reconstruct
devastated parts of the world. Help -- genuinely help poor people. There are
twenty-four thousand people starving to death every day. We can change that.
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Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?
Same reason the crushing poverty in the U$ appalachias and southern
states does not affect the material conditions in the U$ Tourist areas, jackass.
Except, americans have access to the same living standards as tourists,
idiot. Not doing too good with the comparisons, are you chimpy?

In Cuba, why are tourists and the commie hierarchy the *only* ones not
to be affected chimpy? Why is the *whole* cuban population living in
squalor?
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How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
How does Castro force the U$A to imprison and torture dissidents?
What "dissidents", idiot?

And you didn't answer the question: How does the embargo force Castro
to imprison and torture dissidents? Why can't you answer the question?
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to flee his
paradise?
How does Castro force the U$A to attack and slaughter all the women and
children peaceably congregated in their church?
You actually have an example of this? How does the embargo force Castro
to murder people who try to flee his paradise? Why can't you answer the
question?
"- Prof. Jonez©"
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Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?
Same reason the crushing poverty in the U$ appalachias and southern
states does not affect the material conditions in the U$ Tourist areas, jackass.
Except, americans have access to the same living standards as
tourists, idiot. Not doing too good with the comparisons, are you chimpy?
??? Try and make some coherent sense when you post, jackass.
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In Cuba, why are tourists and the commie hierarchy the *only* ones not
to be affected chimpy? Why is the *whole* cuban population living in
squalor?
Fact is, they ain't. And it's quite obvious from your utterly pathetic
questions that you've never been there to see for yourself.

The standard of living in Cuba far and away exceeds other
island pet "democracies" of the U$$A -- can you say H A I T I ?
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How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture
dissidents?
How does Castro force the U$A to imprison and torture dissidents?
What "dissidents", idiot?
Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are full of dissidents, and also full of
completely innocent people being unlawfully imprisoned, tortured
and killed by the USA.
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And you didn't answer the question: How does the embargo force Castro
to imprison and torture dissidents? Why can't you answer the question?
Why should Castro be held to a higher standard than the U$A holds itself,
eh jackass?
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to
flee his paradise?
How does Castro force the U$A to attack and slaughter all the women
and children peaceably congregated in their church?
You actually have an example of this?
Surey you can pronounce W A C O , can't you moron?
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to flee his
paradise? Why can't you answer
the question?
Why should Castro be held to a higher standard than the U$A ?

Oh, and here, you snipped this part, moron, denial won't make
the uncomfortable facts disappear --

We speak with John Perkins, a former respected member of the international
banking community. In his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man he describes
how as a highly paid professional, he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries
around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than
they could possibly repay and then take over their economies. [includes rush
transcript]

John Perkins describes himself as a former economic hit man - a highly paid
professional who cheated countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars.
20 years ago Perkins began writing a book with the working title, "Conscience of
an Economic Hit Men."

Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two
countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as
kindred spirits - Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos,
president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not
accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of
corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We
Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type
of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped
in.

John Perkins goes on to write: "I was persuaded to stop writing that book. I
started it four more times during the next twenty years. On each occasion, my
decision to begin again was influenced by current world events: the U.S.
invasion of Panama in 1980, the first Gulf War, Somalia, and the rise of Osama
bin Laden. However, threats or bribes always convinced me to stop."

But now Perkins has finally published his story. The book is titled Confessions
of an Economic Hit Man. John Perkins joins us now in our Firehouse studios.


a.. John Perkins, from 1971 to 1981 he worked for the international consulting
firm of Chas T. Main where he was a self-described "economic hit man." He is the
author of the new book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.
AMY GOODMAN: John Perkins joins us now in our firehouse studio. Welcome to
Democracy Now!

JOHN PERKINS: Thank you, Amy. It's great to be here.

AMY GOODMAN: It's good to have you with us. Okay, explain this term, "economic
hit man," e.h.m., as you call it.

JOHN PERKINS: Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is
to build up the American empire. To bring -- to create situations where as many
resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our
government, and in fact we've been very successful. We've built the largest
empire in the history of the world. It's been done over the last 50 years since
World War II with very little military might, actually. It's only in rare
instances like Iraq where the military comes in as a last resort. This empire,
unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through
economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people
into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of
that.

AMY GOODMAN: How did you become one? Who did you work for?

JOHN PERKINS: Well, I was initially recruited while I was in business school
back in the late sixties by the National Security Agency, the nation's largest
and least understood spy organization; but ultimately I worked for private
corporations. The first real economic hit man was back in the early 1950's,
Kermit Roosevelt, the grandson of Teddy, who overthrew of government of Iran, a
democratically elected government, Mossadegh's government who was Time's
magazine person of the year; and he was so successful at doing this without any
bloodshed -- well, there was a little bloodshed, but no military intervention,
just spending millions of dollars and replaced Mossadegh with the Shah of Iran.
At that point, we understood that this idea of economic hit man was an extremely
good one. We didn't have to worry about the threat of war with Russia when we
did it this way. The problem with that was that Roosevelt was a C.I.A. agent. He
was a government employee. Had he been caught, we would have been in a lot of
trouble. It would have been very embarrassing. So, at that point, the decision
was made to use organizations like the C.I.A. and the N.S.A. to recruit
potential economic hit men like me and then send us to work for private
consulting companies, engineering firms, construction companies, so that if we
were caught, there would be no connection with the government.

AMY GOODMAN: Okay. Explain the company you worked for.

JOHN PERKINS: Well, the company I worked for was a company named Chas. T. Main
in Boston, Massachusetts. We were about 2,000 employees, and I became its chief
economist. I ended up having fifty people working for me. But my real job was
deal-making. It was giving loans to other countries, huge loans, much bigger
than they could possibly repay. One of the conditions of the loan-let's say a $1
billion to a country like Indonesia or Ecuador-and this country would then have
to give ninety percent of that loan back to a U.S. company, or U.S. companies,
to build the infrastructure-a Halliburton or a Bechtel. These were big ones.
Those companies would then go in and build an electrical system or ports or
highways, and these would basically serve just a few of the very wealthiest
families in those countries. The poor people in those countries would be stuck
ultimately with this amazing debt that they couldn't possibly repay. A country
today like Ecuador owes over fifty percent of its national budget just to pay
down its debt. And it really can't do it. So, we literally have them over a
barrel. So, when we want more oil, we go to Ecuador and say, "Look, you're not
able to repay your debts, therefore give our oil companies your Amazon rain
forest, which are filled with oil." And today we're going in and destroying
Amazonian rain forests, forcing Ecuador to give them to us because they've
accumulated all this debt. So we make this big loan, most of it comes back to
the United States, the country is left with the debt plus lots of interest, and
they basically become our servants, our slaves. It's an empire. There's no two
ways about it. It's a huge empire. It's been extremely successful.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to John Perkins, author of Confessions of an Economic
Hit Man. You say because of bribes and other reason you didn't write this book
for a long time. What do you mean? Who tried to bribe you, or who -- what are
the bribes you accepted?

JOHN PERKINS: Well, I accepted a half a million dollar bribe in the nineties not
to write the book.

AMY GOODMAN: From?

JOHN PERKINS: From a major construction engineering company.

AMY GOODMAN: Which one?

JOHN PERKINS: Legally speaking, it wasn't -- Stoner-Webster. Legally speaking it
wasn't a bribe, it was -- I was being paid as a consultant. This is all very
legal. But I essentially did nothing. It was a very understood, as I explained
in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, that it was -- I was -- it was understood
when I accepted this money as a consultant to them I wouldn't have to do much
work, but I mustn't write any books about the subject, which they were aware
that I was in the process of writing this book, which at the time I called
"Conscience of an Economic Hit Man." And I have to tell you, Amy, that, you
know, it's an extraordinary story from the standpoint of -- It's almost James
Bondish, truly, and I mean--

AMY GOODMAN: Well that's certainly how the book reads.

JOHN PERKINS: Yeah, and it was, you know? And when the National Security Agency
recruited me, they put me through a day of lie detector tests. They found out
all my weaknesses and immediately seduced me. They used the strongest drugs in
our culture, sex, power and money, to win me over. I come from a very old New
England family, Calvinist, steeped in amazingly strong moral values. I think I,
you know, I'm a good person overall, and I think my story really shows how this
system and these powerful drugs of sex, money and power can seduce people,
because I certainly was seduced. And if I hadn't lived this life as an economic
hit man, I think I'd have a hard time believing that anybody does these things.
And that's why I wrote the book, because our country really needs to understand,
if people in this nation understood what our foreign policy is really about,
what foreign aid is about, how our corporations work, where our tax money goes,
I know we will demand change.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to John Perkins. In your book, you talk about how you
helped to implement a secret scheme that funneled billions of dollars of Saudi
Arabian petrol dollars back into the U.S. economy, and that further cemented the
intimate relationship between the House of Saud and successive U.S.
administrations. Explain.

JOHN PERKINS: Yes, it was a fascinating time. I remember well, you're probably
too young to remember, but I remember well in the early seventies how OPEC
exercised this power it had, and cut back on oil supplies. We had cars lined up
at gas stations. The country was afraid that it was facing another 1929-type of
crash-depression; and this was unacceptable. So, they -- the Treasury Department
hired me and a few other economic hit men. We went to Saudi Arabia. We --

AMY GOODMAN: You're actually called economic hit men --e.h.m.'s?

JOHN PERKINS: Yeah, it was a tongue-in-cheek term that we called ourselves.
Officially, I was a chief economist. We called ourselves e.h.m.'s. It was
tongue-in-cheek. It was like, nobody will believe us if we say this, you know?
And, so, we went to Saudi Arabia in the early seventies. We knew Saudi Arabia
was the key to dropping our dependency, or to controlling the situation. And we
worked out this deal whereby the Royal House of Saud agreed to send most of
their petro-dollars back to the United States and invest them in U.S. government
securities. The Treasury Department would use the interest from these securities
to hire U.S. companies to build Saudi Arabia-new cities, new
infrastructure-which we've done. And the House of Saud would agree to maintain
the price of oil within acceptable limits to us, which they've done all of these
years, and we would agree to keep the House of Saud in power as long as they did
this, which we've done, which is one of the reasons we went to war with Iraq in
the first place. And in Iraq we tried to implement the same policy that was so
successful in Saudi Arabia, but Saddam Hussein didn't buy. When the economic hit
men fail in this scenario, the next step is what we call the jackals. Jackals
are C.I.A.-sanctioned people that come in and try to foment a coup or
revolution. If that doesn't work, they perform assassinations. or try to. In the
case of Iraq, they weren't able to get through to Saddam Hussein. He had -- His
bodyguards were too good. He had doubles. They couldn't get through to him. So
the third line of defense, if the economic hit men and the jackals fail, the
next line of defense is our young men and women, who are sent in to die and
kill, which is what we've obviously done in Iraq.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you explain how Torrijos died?

JOHN PERKINS: Omar Torrijos, the President of Panama. Omar Torrijos had signed
the Canal Treaty with Carter much -- and, you know, it passed our congress by
only one vote. It was a highly contended issue. And Torrijos then also went
ahead and negotiated with the Japanese to build a sea-level canal. The Japanese
wanted to finance and construct a sea-level canal in Panama. Torrijos talked to
them about this which very much upset Bechtel Corporation, whose president was
George Schultz and senior council was Casper Weinberger. When Carter was thrown
out (and that's an interesting story-how that actually happened), when he lost
the election, and Reagan came in and Schultz came in as Secretary of State from
Bechtel, and Weinberger came from Bechtel to be Secretary of Defense, they were
extremely angry at Torrijos -- tried to get him to renegotiate the Canal Treaty
and not to talk to the Japanese. He adamantly refused. He was a very principled
man. He had his problem, but he was a very principled man. He was an amazing
man, Torrijos. And so, he died in a fiery airplane crash, which was connected to
a tape recorder with explosives in it, which -- I was there. I had been working
with him. I knew that we economic hit men had failed. I knew the jackals were
closing in on him, and the next thing, his plane exploded with a tape recorder
with a bomb in it. There's no question in my mind that it was C.I.A. sanctioned,
and most -- many Latin American investigators have come to the same conclusion.
Of course, we never heard about that in our country.

AMY GOODMAN: So, where -- when did your change your heart happen?

JOHN PERKINS: I felt guilty throughout the whole time, but I was seduced. The
power of these drugs, sex, power, and money, was extremely strong for me. And,
of course, I was doing things I was being patted on the back for. I was chief
economist. I was doing things that Robert McNamara liked and so on.

AMY GOODMAN: How closely did you work with the World Bank?

JOHN PERKINS: Very, very closely with the World Bank. The World Bank provides
most of the money that's used by economic hit men, it and the I.M.F. But when
9/11 struck, I had a change of heart. I knew the story had to be told because
what happened at 9/11 is a direct result of what the economic hit men are doing.
And the only way that we're going to feel secure in this country again and that
we're going to feel good about ourselves is if we use these systems we've put
into place to create positive change around the world. I really believe we can
do that. I believe the World Bank and other institutions can be turned around
and do what they were originally intended to do, which is help reconstruct
devastated parts of the world. Help -- genuinely help poor people. There are
twenty-four thousand people starving to death every day. We can change that.
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Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not affect the
material conditions in tourist areas?
Same reason the crushing poverty in the U$ appalachias and southern
states does not affect the material conditions in the U$ Tourist areas, jackass.
Except, americans have access to the same living standards as
tourists, idiot. Not doing too good with the comparisons, are you chimpy?
??? Try and make some coherent sense when you post, jackass.
Sorry you never graduated from school. Try reading the following
slowly, chimpy.

Americans have access to a high standard of living and consumer goods.
*Nobody* in Cuba has this except tourists and commie officials. How
exactly does the "embargo" explain this?
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In Cuba, why are tourists and the commie hierarchy the *only* ones not
to be affected chimpy? Why is the *whole* cuban population living in
squalor?
Fact is, they ain't.
Yes they are, chimpy.
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And it's quite obvious from your utterly pathetic
questions that you've never been there to see for yourself.
No, I've never been to their 'tourist friendly' areas to 'see for
myself'.
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The standard of living in Cuba far and away exceeds other
island pet "democracies" of the U$$A -- can you say H A I T I ?
No, it doesn't.
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How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
How does Castro force the U$A to imprison and torture dissidents?
What "dissidents", idiot?
Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are full of dissidents, and also full of
completely innocent people being unlawfully imprisoned, tortured
and killed by the USA.
Aww, those nice islamist terrorists are "dissidents" eh? A little
different from Castro locking up people who say impolite things about
him.
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And you didn't answer the question: How does the embargo force Castro
to imprison and torture dissidents? Why can't you answer the question?
Why should Castro be held to a higher standard than the U$A holds itself,
eh jackass?
He shouldn't. He's a million light-years below the USA's standards of
living, rule of law and human rights.

Now, answer the question chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to
imprison and torture dissidents?
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to
flee his paradise?
How does Castro force the U$A to attack and slaughter all the women
and children peaceably congregated in their church?
You actually have an example of this?
Surey you can pronounce W A C O , can't you moron?
Yes, a horrible incident. Also a one-off. In Cuba, this sort of thing
has been happening ever since the commies took power. It's a matter of
government policy.

Now Chimpy, answer this question: which country offers the greatest
religious freedom: USA or Cuba?

Another question chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to murder
people who try to flee his paradise?
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to flee his
paradise? Why can't you answer
the question?
Why should Castro be held to a higher standard than the U$A ?
Question avoided yet again, only to ask another stupid question. Scared
of facts, aren't you chimpy?

He's not being held to "higher standards", chimpy dickhead. The USA
doesn't murder or imprison people who try to leave it's shores. Castro
does.

Now, the question again chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to
murder people who try to flee his paradise?
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Oh, and here, you snipped this part, moron, denial won't make
the uncomfortable facts disappear --
I already answered it in a previous post, moron, and I noticed you
avoided the questions I posed in response.

Now chimpy, why to you make excuses for mass-murdering commie lunatics?
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Perhaps you can explain why the horrible embargo does not
affect
the
material conditions in tourist areas?
Same reason the crushing poverty in the U$ appalachias and
southern states does not affect the material conditions in the
U$ Tourist areas, jackass.
Except, americans have access to the same living standards as
tourists, idiot. Not doing too good with the comparisons, are you chimpy?
??? Try and make some coherent sense when you post, jackass.
Sorry you never graduated from school. Try reading the following
slowly, chimpy.
Americans have access to a high standard of living and consumer goods.
Are you deliberately stupid, or do you have some genetic mental
defect?

Tell us again how poor, starving impoverished Americans have access to
high standards of living, you stamming jackass.
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*Nobody* in Cuba has this except tourists
So tourists travel to Cuba for this high standard of living?
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and commie officials. How exactly does the "embargo" explain this?
Why would the "embargo" explain your absurd preposterous
and inane questions?
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In Cuba, why are tourists and the commie hierarchy the *only*
ones not to be affected chimpy? Why is the *whole* cuban
population living in squalor?
Fact is, they ain't.
Yes they are, chimpy.
Nope, time for you to jam another banana up your ass BoBo.
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And it's quite obvious from your utterly pathetic
questions that you've never been there to see for yourself.
No, I've never been to their 'tourist friendly' areas to 'see for
myself'.
So you really don't have a fucking clue as to what you're stammering
about, do you imbecile?
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The standard of living in Cuba far and away exceeds other
island pet "democracies" of the U$$A -- can you say H A I T I ?
No, it doesn't.
LOL!
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How does the embargo force Castro to imprison and torture dissidents?
How does Castro force the U$A to imprison and torture
dissidents?
What "dissidents", idiot?
Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are full of dissidents, and also full of
completely innocent people being unlawfully imprisoned, tortured
and killed by the USA.
Aww, those nice islamist terrorists are "dissidents" eh? A little
different from Castro locking up people who say impolite things about
him.
Funny that, different places have different laws. Wanna discuss
the public beheadings done by that bastion of freedom and U$ ally,
Saudi Arabia?
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And you didn't answer the question: How does the embargo force Castro
to imprison and torture dissidents? Why can't you answer the question?
Why should Castro be held to a higher standard than the U$A holds
itself, eh jackass?
He shouldn't. He's a million light-years below the USA's standards of
living, rule of law and human rights.
Awww how quaint. So you gonna attack, embargo and sabbotage any/every
country that doesn't have the GNP and standards the U$A has?
And you won't mind those countries that have higher GNP and standards
attacking and sabbotaging the U$$A, right?
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Now, answer the question chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to
imprison and torture dissidents?
If you weren't a stammering imbecile, you'd have realized by now
that your question is utterly irrelevant and inane to the topic under
discussion.
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to
flee his paradise?
How does Castro force the U$A to attack and slaughter all the
women and children peaceably congregated in their church?
You actually have an example of this?
Surey you can pronounce W A C O , can't you moron?
Yes, a horrible incident. Also a one-off.
Do you enjoy demonstrating your abject ignorance in public
on usenet?
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In Cuba, this sort of thing
has been happening ever since the commies took power. It's a matter of
government policy.
Sure ... got a cite?
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Now Chimpy, answer this question: which country offers the greatest
religious freedom: USA or Cuba?
Why would any sane country tolerate biggoted perverted superstitious
nonsense?
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Another question chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to murder
people who try to flee his paradise?
How does the non-existance of WMD force the U$$A to unlawfully attack,
invade and occupy the smaller, poorer and weaker sovereign nation of Iraq?
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to
flee his paradise? Why can't you answer
the question?
Why should Castro be held to a higher standard than the U$A ?
Question avoided yet again, only to ask another stupid question.
Scared of facts, aren't you chimpy?
Your inane questions aren't facts. If you think you got some
facts, then post them jackass. The history of this thread indicates
clearly that you don't have any.
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He's not being held to "higher standards", chimpy dickhead. The USA
doesn't murder or imprison people who try to leave it's shores. Castro
does.
Got a citation to any facts or stats on that?
Didn't think so. Spewing your propaganda over
and over won't make it any more true than
the first time you pulled it out of your ass.
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Now, the question again chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to
murder people who try to flee his paradise?
How do your inane questions apply to the discussion?
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Oh, and here, you snipped this part, moron, denial won't make
the uncomfortable facts disappear --
I already answered it in a previous post, moron, and I noticed you
avoided the questions I posed in response.
Your lies are telling, BoBo. Have another banana.
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Now chimpy, why to you make excuses for mass-murdering commie
lunatics?
You're right for once, Fidel could never live up to or acomplish
the volume of mass-murder that your Chimpzilla G W Bu$h
has acheived ... LOL!

100,000 Civilian Deaths Estimated in Iraq

By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 29, 2004; Page A16

One of the first attempts to independently estimate the loss of civilian life
from the Iraqi war has concluded that at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians may have
died because of the U.S. invasion.

The analysis, an extrapolation based on a relatively small number of documented
deaths, indicated that many of the excess deaths have occurred due to aerial
attacks by coalition forces, with women and children being frequent victims,
wrote the international team of public health researchers making the
calculations.

Pentagon officials say they do not keep tallies of civilian casualties, and a
spokesman said yesterday there is no way to validate estimates by others. The
spokesman said that the past 18 months of fighting in Iraq have been "prosecuted
in the most precise fashion of any conflict in the history of modern warfare,"
and that "the loss of any innocent lives is a tragedy, something that Iraqi
security forces and the multinational force painstakingly work to avoid."

Previous independent estimates of civilian deaths in Iraq were far lower, never
exceeding 16,000. Other experts immediately challenged the new estimate, saying
the small number of documented deaths upon which it was based make the
conclusions suspect.

"The methods that they used are certainly prone to inflation due to
overcounting," said Marc E. Garlasco, senior military analyst for Human Rights
Watch, which investigated the number of civilian deaths that occurred during the
invasion. "These numbers seem to be inflated."

The estimate is based on a September door-to-door survey of 988 Iraqi
households -- containing 7,868 people in 33 neighborhoods -- selected to provide
a representative sampling. Two survey teams gathered detailed information about
the date, cause and circumstances of any deaths in the 14.6 months before the
invasion and the 17.8 months after it, documenting the fatalities with death
certificates in most cases.

The project was designed by Les Roberts and Gilbert M. Burnham of the Center for
International Emergency, Disaster and Refugee Studies at the Johns Hopkins
Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore; Richard Garfield of Columbia
University in New York; and Riyadh Lafta and Jamal Kudhairi of Baghdad's
Al-Mustansiriya University College of Medicine.

Based on the number of Iraqi fatalities recorded by the survey teams, the
researchers calculated that the death rate since the invasion had increased from
5 percent annually to 7.9 percent. That works out to an excess of about 100,000
deaths since the war, the researchers reported in a paper released early by the
Lancet, a British medical journal.

The researchers called their estimate conservative because they excluded deaths
in Fallujah, a city west of Baghdad that has been the scene of particularly
intense fighting and has accounted for a disproportionately large number of
deaths in the survey.

"We are quite confident that there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of
100,000 deaths, but it could be much higher," Roberts said.

When the researchers examined the causes of the 73 violent deaths collected in
the study, 84 percent were due to the actions of coalition forces, although the
researchers stressed that none was the result of what would have been considered
misconduct. Ninety-five percent were due to airstrikes by helicopter gunships,
rockets or other types of aerial weaponry.

Forty-six percent of the violent deaths involving coalition forces were men ages
15 to 60, but 46 percent were children younger than 15, and 7 percent were
women, the researchers reported.

The researchers and the Lancet editors acknowledged that the study has clear
limitations, including a relatively small sample of violent deaths that were
examined directly and the researchers' reliance on individual memories for some
information. But the researchers said the findings represent the most reliable
estimate to date.

The paper was "extensively peer-reviewed, revised, edited" and rushed into print
"because of its importance to the evolving security situation in Iraq, Richard
Horton, the journal's editor, wrote in an accompanying editorial.

But Garlasco of Human Rights Watch said it is extremely difficult to estimate
civilian casualties, especially based on relatively small numbers. "I certainly
think that 100,000 is a reach," Garlasco said.

In addition, his group's investigation indicated that the ground war, not the
air war, caused more of the deaths that have occurred.
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Sorry you never graduated from school. Try reading the following
slowly, chimpy.
Americans have access to a high standard of living and consumer goods.
Are you deliberately stupid, or do you have some genetic mental
defect?
Tell us again how poor, starving impoverished Americans have access to
high standards of living, you stamming jackass.
They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have freedom of
movement. Not to mention the "poor and starving" are a minority of the
population, unlike in Cuba, where everyone is living in their own shit.
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*Nobody* in Cuba has this except tourists
So tourists travel to Cuba for this high standard of living?
For the nice tourist resorts off-limits to the Cubans themselves,
absolutely.
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and commie officials. How exactly does the "embargo" explain this?
Why would the "embargo" explain your absurd preposterous
and inane questions?
Avoiding the questions again, chimpy. The truth clearly makes you
hysterical.
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In Cuba, why are tourists and the commie hierarchy the *only*
ones not to be affected chimpy? Why is the *whole* cuban
population living in squalor?
Fact is, they ain't.
Yes they are, chimpy.
Nope, time for you to jam another banana up your ass BoBo.
No refutation of cold, hard facts noted.
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And it's quite obvious from your utterly pathetic
questions that you've never been there to see for yourself.
No, I've never been to their 'tourist friendly' areas to 'see for
myself'.
So you really don't have a fucking clue as to what you're stammering
about, do you imbecile?
Actually, I understand perfectly.
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Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are full of dissidents, and also full of
completely innocent people being unlawfully imprisoned, tortured
and killed by the USA.
Aww, those nice islamist terrorists are "dissidents" eh? A little
different from Castro locking up people who say impolite things about
him.
Funny that, different places have different laws. Wanna discuss
the public beheadings done by that bastion of freedom and U$ ally,
Saudi Arabia?
They're fundamentalist muslim scum, but even they have more freedom
than Cubans.

Now: why does Castro deny Cubans the right to vote?
- why does he lock up political opponents?
- why does he murder or imprison people who try to leave?

No evasions chimpy, answer the questions.
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Why should Castro be held to a higher standard than the U$A holds
itself, eh jackass?
He shouldn't. He's a million light-years below the USA's standards of
living, rule of law and human rights.
Awww how quaint. So you gonna attack, embargo and sabbotage any/every
country that doesn't have the GNP and standards the U$A has?
Nope, just totalitarian commie shitholes who murder their own people.

And the Cubans are ruining their own economy, they sure don't need any
help.
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And you won't mind those countries that have higher GNP and standards
attacking and sabbotaging the U$$A, right?
yes, I do mind. Yet another idiot non-sequiter from you, chimpy.
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Now, answer the question chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to
imprison and torture dissidents?
If you weren't a stammering imbecile, you'd have realized by now
that your question is utterly irrelevant and inane to the topic under
discussion.
LOL. So that's your final answer - what Castro does to his own people
is "irrelevant" - you aren't even denying it. Whatta dick.
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Surey you can pronounce W A C O , can't you moron?
Yes, a horrible incident. Also a one-off.
Do you enjoy demonstrating your abject ignorance in public
on usenet?
Lack of counter-argument noted, chimpy.
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In Cuba, this sort of thing
has been happening ever since the commies took power. It's a matter of
government policy.
Sure ... got a cite?
LOL, See your answer below. You really can't keep more than one thought
in your head at any one time, can you?
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Now Chimpy, answer this question: which country offers the greatest
religious freedom: USA or Cuba?
Why would any sane country tolerate biggoted perverted superstitious
nonsense?
So you just admiited Cuba does not tolerate religious freedom.
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Another question chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to murder
people who try to flee his paradise?
How does the non-existance of WMD force the U$$A to unlawfully attack,
invade and occupy the smaller, poorer and weaker sovereign nation of Iraq?
Question avoided yet again chimpy?

Instead of arguing points of fact you know you'll lose, you change
topic.

(PS, are they the same "non existent WMDs" that killed the people in
Halabja?)
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How does the embargo force Castro to murder people who try to
flee his paradise? Why can't you answer
the question?
Why should Castro be held to a higher standard than the U$A ?
Question avoided yet again, only to ask another stupid question.
Scared of facts, aren't you chimpy?
Your inane questions aren't facts. If you think you got some
facts, then post them jackass. The history of this thread indicates
clearly that you don't have any.
Here you go dummy,

Fact: Castro murders/imprisons political opponents
Fact: Castro murders/imprisons people who try to leave
Fact: Cubans have no freedom of assembly, speech, religion, travel or
voting

Can't refute any of them, can you chimpy?
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He's not being held to "higher standards", chimpy dickhead. The USA
doesn't murder or imprison people who try to leave it's shores. Castro
does.
Got a citation to any facts or stats on that?
http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/justice.html

Want some more, chimpy?
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Didn't think so.
Wrong again Chimpy.

Hey, care to comment this, chimpy?

http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/biscet82700.html
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Now, the question again chimpy: How does the embargo force Castro to
murder people who try to flee his paradise?
How do your inane questions apply to the discussion?
Yeah, can't imagine how Cuba's brutal human rights record applies to a
discussion about Cuba, chimpy.

Are you completely retarded or what?
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I already answered it in a previous post, moron, and I noticed you
avoided the questions I posed in response.
Your lies are telling, BoBo. Have another banana.
Go look at the post chimpy, if you can read that is...
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Now chimpy, why to you make excuses for mass-murdering commie lunatics?
You're right for once, Fidel could never live up to or acomplish
the volume of mass-murder that your Chimpzilla G W Bu$h
has acheived ... LOL!
Actually, Fidel has, and easily.

Now, answer the questions chimpy.
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Sorry you never graduated from school. Try reading the following
slowly, chimpy.
Americans have access to a high standard of living and consumer goods.
Are you deliberately stupid, or do you have some genetic mental
defect?
Tell us again how poor, starving impoverished Americans have access
to high standards of living, you stamming jackass.
They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have freedom of
movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ... if they only weren't so poor, eh?

ROTFLMAO!!

Poverty USA: The State of
Poverty in America

For the third consecutive year, the poverty rate and the number of Americans
living in poverty both rose from the prior years. Since 2000, the number of poor
Americans has grown by more than 4 million. The official poverty rate in 2003
(the most current year for which figures are available) was 12.5 percent, up
from 12.1 percent in 2002. Total Americans below the official poverty thresholds
numbered 35.9 million, a figure 1.3 million higher than the 34.6 million in
poverty in 2002. (U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance
Coverage in the United States: 2003, Current Population Reports, August 2003)
On average, one out of every three Americans - 34.2 percent of all people in the
United States - are officially classified as living in poverty at least 2 months
out of the year. (U.S. Census Bureau, Dynamics of Economic Well-Being: Poverty
1996-1999, July 2003.)

The number of Americans living in severe poverty - with incomes below half of
the poverty line - increased by 1.2 million in 2003, to 15.3 million. (U.S.
Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United
States: 2003, Current Population Reports, August 2003)

Since 1999, the number of poor Americans suffering from "food insecurity" and
hunger has increased by 3.9 million - 2.8 million adults and more than one
million children. In 2002, 34.9 million people lived in households experiencing
food insecurity - that is, not enough food for basic nourishment - compared to
33.6 million in 2001 and 31 million in 1999. (U.S. Department of Agriculture,
Household Food Security in the United States, 2002, October 2003.)

The American Midwest and South saw the greatest numbers of people entering
poverty in 2003; the number in the Midwest rose from 6.6 million to 6.9 million,
while the South rose from 14 to 14.5 million people. Yet the two regions stand
at the opposite ends of the percentage of people living in poverty for all
regions in America. In the Midwest, 10.7 percent of all people live in poverty,
compared to 11.3 percent for the Northeast, 12.6 percent for the West, and 14.1
for the South - the highest of all. And within those regions, the central cities
and the suburbs saw the greatest rise - to a combined rate of 12.1 percent and
28.4 million people in 2003, up from 11.6 percent and 27.1 million in 2002.
(U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United
States: 2003, Current Population Reports, August 2003)

Children in America have higher poverty rates than adults, and people 65 and
over have higher chronic poverty rates and lower exit rates than children or
adults. (U.S. Census Bureau, Dynamics of Economic Well-Being: Poverty 1996-1999,
July 2003.)

The rate and number of children in America living in poverty increased in 2003,
to 17.6 percent and 12.9 million children, up from 16.7 percent and 12.1 million
in 2002. What's more, children represented 35.9 percent of all the people in
poverty - compared with 25.4 percent of the total population.

Children under the age of six have been particularly vulnerable to poverty. In
2003, the poverty rate for related children under six living in families
increased to 19.8 percent, or 4.7 million children, up from 18.5 percent and 4.3
million in 2002. Yet, of children under six living in families with only a
female householder - with no father present - more than one out of two, or 52.9
percent, were in poverty, more than five times the rate of their counterparts in
married-couple families. (U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health
Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2003, Current Population Reports,
August 2003)

For Americans 18 to 64 years old, both the number in poverty and the poverty
rate rose from 2002 to 2003 - from 18.9 million to 19.4 million, and from 10.6
percent to 10.8 percent, respectively. Remarkably, the number of elderly in
poverty remained the same, at 3.6 million in 2003. (U.S. Census Bureau, Income,
Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2003, Current
Population Reports, August 2003)

The number and rate of Asian Americans living in poverty rose the greatest among
all groups, to 11.8 percent and 1.4 million, up from 10.1 percent and 1.2
million. Among Hispanics, the poverty rate remained unchanged at 22.5 percent in
2003 -- yet one out of every five Hispanics in America - 9.1 million people --
still live in poverty. And for African Americans, the poverty rate rose only
slightly in 2003, to 24.4 percent, up from 24.1 percent. Still, nearly one out
of every four African Americans lives in poverty, which is 8.8 million people.
(U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United
States: 2003, Current Population Reports, August 2003)

In 2003, 7.6 million American families - 10 percent of all families - were in
poverty, up from 7.2 million (9.6 percent) in 2002.(U.S. Census Bureau, Income,
Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2003, Current
Population Reports, August 2003)

More than two-thirds of all poor families with children included one or more
individuals who worked in 2003. What's more, family members in working-poor
families with children typically worked combined totals of 46 weeks per year.

Since 2000 - the last year before unemployment began to rise - the number of
people in poverty has risen by 4.3 million, median income has fallen by $1,535
after adjustment for inflation, and the number of people with no health
insurance has increased by 5.2 million.

In 2003, those who were poor became poorer on average - with the number of
people living in extreme poverty, that is, with incomes below half the poverty
line, climbing by 1.2 million, to 15.3 million people. The number of Americans
living in extreme poverty reached the highest level on record, since data first
became available in 1975.

The average amount by which poor people's incomes fell below the poverty line
was greater in 2003 than any other year since recordkeeping began in 1975. The
average amount by which the poor fell below the poverty line was $3,018 per
person in 2003.

A single parent of two young children working full-time in a minimum wage job
for a year would make $10,712 before taxes - a wage $3,968 below the poverty
threshold set by the federal government. (U.S. Department of Labor; U.S. Census
Bureau.)

About 40 percent of poor single-parent, working mothers who paid for child care
paid at least half of their income for child care; an additional 25 percent of
these families paid between 40 and 50 percent of their incomes for child care.
(Child Trends, 2001.)

While the Census figures reveal a significant number of Americans living in
poverty, many experts feel that the measures used by the federal government
drastically underestimate the real scale of poverty in America - primarily
because the official poverty thresholds are considered "too low." Many experts
believe a more realistic poverty threshold for a family of four would be in the
area of $30,000 a year - and that a more accurate estimate of the poverty rate
in America would be 30% of the total population. (Economic Policy Institute,
2001.)

Top 10 States with Highest Poverty Rate, 2002-2003

State, % People Below Poverty Level
1. Arkansas 18.5%
2. New Mexico 18.0%
3. Mississippi 17.9%
4. District of Columbia 17.3%
5. Louisiana 16.9%
6. West Virginia 16.9%
7. Texas 15.8%
8. Alabama 15.1%
9. Tennessee 14.3%
10. North Carolina 14.2%

U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Survey, August 2004

Opportunities for those trying to work their way out of poverty are dwindling;
by September 2003, 2.1 million American jobless workers - nearly a quarter of
the total unemployed population - had been out of work for half a year or more -
the highest level in 20 years. (Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, October
2003.)
t***@gmail.com
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They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have freedom of
movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ...
Yes, which is why there are many rich americans, chimpy.

Why is the entire population of Cuba poor, eh chimpy? Why do most of
them dream of a better life in the USA?
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They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have freedom of
movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ...
Yes, which is why there are many rich americans, chimpy.
Why is the entire population of Cuba poor, eh chimpy? Why do most of
them dream of a better life in the USA?
So that's your entire closing argument, that since the GNP of the U$$A is
higher than Cuba's, that justifies overtly trying to politically and
economically
destroy that sovereign nation for the last 40+ years, eh?

You give chimps a bad name, BoBo ... you sure you ain't a sloth?
t***@gmail.com
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They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have freedom of
movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ...
Yes, which is why there are many rich americans, chimpy.
Why is the entire population of Cuba poor, eh chimpy? Why do most of
them dream of a better life in the USA?
So that's your entire closing argument, that since the GNP of the U$$A is
higher than Cuba's, that justifies overtly trying to politically and
economically
destroy that sovereign nation for the last 40+ years, eh?
No, coz it's a totalitarian commie shithole chimpy. And they're not
trying to destroy the country, just the commie dictatorship. You do
know what the difference is, don't you chimpy?
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You give chimps a bad name, BoBo ... you sure you ain't a sloth?
No. And at least sloths don't support the Cuban government murdering
people who try to leave their own country, like you do.
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They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have freedom
of movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ...
Yes, which is why there are many rich americans, chimpy.
Why is the entire population of Cuba poor, eh chimpy? Why do most
of them dream of a better life in the USA?
So that's your entire closing argument, that since the GNP of the
U$$A is higher than Cuba's, that justifies overtly trying to
politically and economically
destroy that sovereign nation for the last 40+ years, eh?
No, coz it's a totalitarian commie shithole chimpy. And they're not
trying to destroy the country, just the commie dictatorship. You do
know what the difference is, don't you chimpy?
Sez the masturbating chimpanzee who don't know the
difference between communism and socialism ... LOL!
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You give chimps a bad name, BoBo ... you sure you ain't a sloth?
No. And at least sloths don't support the Cuban government murdering
people who try to leave their own country, like you do.
Yet you support the U$$A while it murders 100,000+ innocent, unarmed
Iraqi civilians during the course of an illegal war of aggression against
a far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, eh you exterminable
fascist shitsucking swine?
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2005-07-29 01:59:09 UTC
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They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have freedom
of movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ...
Yes, which is why there are many rich americans, chimpy.
Why is the entire population of Cuba poor, eh chimpy? Why do most
of them dream of a better life in the USA?
So that's your entire closing argument, that since the GNP of the
U$$A is higher than Cuba's, that justifies overtly trying to
politically and economically
destroy that sovereign nation for the last 40+ years, eh?
No, coz it's a totalitarian commie shithole chimpy. And they're not
trying to destroy the country, just the commie dictatorship. You do
know what the difference is, don't you chimpy?
Sez the masturbating chimpanzee who don't know the
difference between communism and socialism ... LOL!
I know more about them than you, chimpy.
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You give chimps a bad name, BoBo ... you sure you ain't a sloth?
No. And at least sloths don't support the Cuban government murdering
people who try to leave their own country, like you do.
Yet you support the U$$A while it murders 100,000+ innocent, unarmed
Iraqi civilians
Wrong chimpy. Don't make things up.
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during the course of an illegal war of aggression against
a far smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign nation, eh you exterminable
fascist shitsucking swine?
"fascist" - heh, say the chimpy who supports Castro brutalisation of
dissidents.

Love that hypocrisy of yours, chimpy.
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They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have
freedom of movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ...
Yes, which is why there are many rich americans, chimpy.
Why is the entire population of Cuba poor, eh chimpy? Why do
most of them dream of a better life in the USA?
So that's your entire closing argument, that since the GNP of
the U$$A is higher than Cuba's, that justifies overtly trying to
politically and economically
destroy that sovereign nation for the last 40+ years, eh?
No, coz it's a totalitarian commie shithole chimpy. And they're
not trying to destroy the country, just the commie dictatorship.
You do know what the difference is, don't you chimpy?
Sez the masturbating chimpanzee who don't know the
difference between communism and socialism ... LOL!
I know more about them than you, chimpy.
Sure you do, asswipe. And every ignorant and laughably
false post you make illustrates the depth of your knowledge.
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They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have
freedom of movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ...
Yes, which is why there are many rich americans, chimpy.
Why is the entire population of Cuba poor, eh chimpy? Why do
most of them dream of a better life in the USA?
So that's your entire closing argument, that since the GNP of
the U$$A is higher than Cuba's, that justifies overtly trying to
politically and economically
destroy that sovereign nation for the last 40+ years, eh?
No, coz it's a totalitarian commie shithole chimpy. And they're
not trying to destroy the country, just the commie dictatorship.
You do know what the difference is, don't you chimpy?
Sez the masturbating chimpanzee who don't know the
difference between communism and socialism ... LOL!
I know more about them than you, chimpy.
Sure you do, asswipe. And every ignorant and laughably
false post you make illustrates the depth of your knowledge.
And yet, you still cannot answer any questions I pose to you.

Rather telling, don't you think chimpy?
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They can get jobs, have access to charities, and have
freedom of movement.
So you're saying they "could be rich" ...
Yes, which is why there are many rich americans, chimpy.
Why is the entire population of Cuba poor, eh chimpy? Why do
most of them dream of a better life in the USA?
So that's your entire closing argument, that since the GNP of
the U$$A is higher than Cuba's, that justifies overtly trying to
politically and economically
destroy that sovereign nation for the last 40+ years, eh?
No, coz it's a totalitarian commie shithole chimpy. And they're
not trying to destroy the country, just the commie dictatorship.
You do know what the difference is, don't you chimpy?
Sez the masturbating chimpanzee who don't know the
difference between communism and socialism ... LOL!
I know more about them than you, chimpy.
Sure you do, asswipe. And every ignorant and laughably
false post you make illustrates the depth of your knowledge.

Leo J Callaghan
2005-07-27 23:16:30 UTC
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another big stinking pile of shite

you are a mental defective. go commit a crime and state will take care
of you and put you out of our misery

stamming jackass? what the...
Michael Voytinsky
2005-07-27 01:52:17 UTC
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And you didn't answer the question: How does the embargo force Castro
to imprison and torture dissidents? Why can't you answer the question?
It does not force him, but it provides a very handy excuse for just about
anything. "Times are tough because of the US embargo, we must crackdown on
the disloyal element."
PL
2005-07-25 09:55:43 UTC
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So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Quite a bit sharper than you obviously
Brillaint retort.
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over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!
Lol. That monkey can't even keep his own buildings from falling down.
Due to the 40 years of Economic Assassination and Strangulation by
the U$$A's Embargo.
but then he did get 3 billion dollar (20-25% of GNP) in subsidies from the
Soviet Union, no?

PL
CubaLibre
2005-07-25 10:09:13 UTC
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TRANSLATION : http://babelfish.altavista.com/

PL reste silencieux la dessus, pourquoi ? Serait il gêné ?
http://www.centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=270&PN=1&TPN=1

Et la dessus, toujours pas de commentaires ?
http://www.centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=275&PN=1

Je cite :

"C'est le mec qui essai de prendre tout le monde par des imbéciles,
car au même moment où il ne parle que des merdes sur Cuba et LEUR régime,
il invite à toute le monde à se rendre à Cuba avec son AGENCE de VOYAGES."

QUEL MALHONNËTE !

Et voila des faits que tout le monde peut vérifier,
voyons voir ce qu'il en dit et s'il répond aux questions :

PL est le plus grand contributeur de propagande
anti-cubaine de news:soc:culture.cuba

Au 28/06/2005 nous ne trouvons pas moins
de 34 000 contributions pour la période
comprise entre le 25 nov. 2003 et ce jour,
avec l'adresse ***@pandora.be

http://minilien.com/?cTteiQ2ybG

Et 2630 avec l'adresse ***@pandora.be

http://minilien.com/?CsBODlSI3s

Ce qui fait de lui le plus gros contributeur particulier de Usenet,
big 8 compris.

C'est a dire qu'il passe tout son temps à poster
la propagande qu'on lui transmet.

Pourrais t'on savoir de quoi il vit ?

En effet, il faut bien qu'il mange, alors de quoi vit-il sinon des subventions
des organisations nord-américaines ?

Comme c'est un amoureux de la vérité, n'en doutons, il va surement répondre,
sinon nous serions tenter de croire qu'il est payé par ces derniers.

Loading Image...
Et oui !
PL
2005-07-25 15:41:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by CubaLibre
TRANSLATION : http://babelfish.altavista.com/
PL
This from a little frustrated idiot that has two of his webpages removed for
illegal content and specialises in lies and falsifications.

PL
PL
2005-07-25 09:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil
Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological
boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Post by t***@gmail.com
Death to Castro!
Let's see ...
Eisenhower - DEAD
Kennedy - DEAD
Johnson - DEAD
Nixon - impeached, DEAD
Ford - 1 term
Carter - 1 term
Reagan - DEAD DEAD DEAD
Bu$h Sr. - 1 term
Clinton - impeached
Bu$h Jr. - huh?
over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!
Yep.
He one of the longest lasting dictators. The US constitution limits
presidents to 2 terms as a guarantee gainst dictatorships.
We all know that.
It only shows he has a good system of repression, not that he has any
legitimacy.
More info on the repression: www.cubaverdad.net

PL
CubaLibre
2005-07-25 10:09:29 UTC
Permalink
TRANSLATION : http://babelfish.altavista.com/

PL reste silencieux la dessus, pourquoi ? Serait il gêné ?
http://www.centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=270&PN=1&TPN=1

Et la dessus, toujours pas de commentaires ?
http://www.centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=275&PN=1

Je cite :

"C'est le mec qui essai de prendre tout le monde par des imbéciles,
car au même moment où il ne parle que des merdes sur Cuba et LEUR régime,
il invite à toute le monde à se rendre à Cuba avec son AGENCE de VOYAGES."

QUEL MALHONNËTE !

Et voila des faits que tout le monde peut vérifier,
voyons voir ce qu'il en dit et s'il répond aux questions :

PL est le plus grand contributeur de propagande
anti-cubaine de news:soc:culture.cuba

Au 28/06/2005 nous ne trouvons pas moins
de 34 000 contributions pour la période
comprise entre le 25 nov. 2003 et ce jour,
avec l'adresse ***@pandora.be

http://minilien.com/?cTteiQ2ybG

Et 2630 avec l'adresse ***@pandora.be

http://minilien.com/?CsBODlSI3s

Ce qui fait de lui le plus gros contributeur particulier de Usenet,
big 8 compris.

C'est a dire qu'il passe tout son temps à poster
la propagande qu'on lui transmet.

Pourrais t'on savoir de quoi il vit ?

En effet, il faut bien qu'il mange, alors de quoi vit-il sinon des subventions
des organisations nord-américaines ?

Comme c'est un amoureux de la vérité, n'en doutons, il va surement répondre,
sinon nous serions tenter de croire qu'il est payé par ces derniers.

http://img169.echo.cx/img169/8222/petitformat9aw.jpg
Et oui !
"- Prof. Jonez©"
2005-07-25 15:11:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by PL
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological
boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and
the military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Post by t***@gmail.com
Death to Castro!
Let's see ...
Eisenhower - DEAD
Kennedy - DEAD
Johnson - DEAD
Nixon - impeached, DEAD
Ford - 1 term
Carter - 1 term
Reagan - DEAD DEAD DEAD
Bu$h Sr. - 1 term
Clinton - impeached
Bu$h Jr. - huh?
over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!
Yep.
He one of the longest lasting dictators. The US constitution limits
presidents to 2 terms as a guarantee gainst dictatorships.
We all know that.
It only shows he has a good system of repression, not that he has any
legitimacy.
So how long has the House of Saud dictated over Saudi Arabia?
How long has the U$$A supported and assisted the House of Saud?

How long has Musharraf ruled Pakistan after taking over in a Military Coup?
How long has Pakistan been supported and assisted by the U$$A?

After the U$$A "liberated" Kuwait from the evil Saddam, what type
of "democracy" did they install there, like exactly?

How much support and assistance has the U$$A given the Democratically
Elected Gov'ts of Haiti?
Post by PL
More info on the repression: www.democracynow.org
PL
PL
2005-07-25 18:01:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by PL
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological
boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and
the military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Post by t***@gmail.com
Death to Castro!
Let's see ...
Eisenhower - DEAD
Kennedy - DEAD
Johnson - DEAD
Nixon - impeached, DEAD
Ford - 1 term
Carter - 1 term
Reagan - DEAD DEAD DEAD
Bu$h Sr. - 1 term
Clinton - impeached
Bu$h Jr. - huh?
over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!
Yep.
He one of the longest lasting dictators. The US constitution limits
presidents to 2 terms as a guarantee gainst dictatorships.
We all know that.
It only shows he has a good system of repression, not that he has any
legitimacy.
So how long has the House of Saud dictated over Saudi Arabia?
How many different kings?
Note that Raul is declared "crown prince" in Cuba.
The UK has had a royal dynasty for centuries.
Do you claim the UK is less democratic than Cuba?

(snip)

But please explain why you feel thaty the fact that there are other
undemocratic regimes in the world (Myanmar, ...) excuses the Castro
dictatorship?
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by PL
More info on the repression: www.democracynow.org
Falsifying messages just shows despair.
The link you falsified is repeated below.
More info on the repression in Cuba: www.cubaverdad.net

PL
sdffsd
2005-07-25 18:04:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by PL
Note that Raul is declared "crown prince" in Cuba.
The UK has had a royal dynasty for centuries.
Do you claim the UK is less democratic than Cuba?
The most ridiculous post I have read all day.
"- Prof. Jonez©"
2005-07-25 18:57:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by sdffsd
Post by PL
Note that Raul is declared "crown prince" in Cuba.
The UK has had a royal dynasty for centuries.
Do you claim the UK is less democratic than Cuba?
The most ridiculous post I have read all day.
Stick around, the day is young ...
PL
2005-07-25 19:15:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by sdffsd
Post by PL
Note that Raul is declared "crown prince" in Cuba.
The UK has had a royal dynasty for centuries.
Do you claim the UK is less democratic than Cuba?
The most ridiculous post I have read all day.
Stick around, the day is young ...
and he will be reading yours you mean.

PL
PL
2005-07-25 19:15:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by sdffsd
Post by PL
Note that Raul is declared "crown prince" in Cuba.
The UK has had a royal dynasty for centuries.
Do you claim the UK is less democratic than Cuba?
The most ridiculous post I have read all day.
Read more than one a day then.
On the Cuban Crown prince.
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11353498

But I see you didn't reply to the question:
Do you claim the UK is less democratic than Cuba?

PL
"- Prof Jonez©"
2005-07-31 23:15:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by PL
Post by sdffsd
Post by PL
Note that Raul is declared "crown prince" in Cuba.
The UK has had a royal dynasty for centuries.
Do you claim the UK is less democratic than Cuba?
The most ridiculous post I have read all day.
Read more than one a day then.
On the Cuban Crown prince.
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11353498
Do you claim the UK is less democratic than Cuba?
Does it have to be?
Post by PL
PL
libraryofalex@*nospam*btinternet.com
2005-07-25 21:24:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:49:15 -0600, " \"- Prof Jonez©\""
Post by "- Prof Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Death to Castro!
Let's see ...
Eisenhower - DEAD
Kennedy - DEAD
Johnson - DEAD
Nixon - impeached, DEAD
Ford - 1 term
Carter - 1 term
Reagan - DEAD DEAD DEAD
Bu$h Sr. - 1 term
Clinton - impeached
Bu$h Jr. - huh?
over 12 U$ presidential terms, 5 DEAD U$ presidents,
2 impeached U$ presidents, and Fidel Castro is still
kicking U$ ASS !!
Hmmm, I'm sure Americans feel beaten by Castro.
--
cheers

matt
Sorbet
2005-07-25 12:39:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G "village idiot"
Bu$h
claims ...?
Both really.
Death to Castro!
Down with Castro and ship the Miami Cubans back to where they belong!!
The Right One
2005-07-25 05:11:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G "village idiot"
Bu$h
claims ...?
Do you live in Cuba?
--
Terry Pearson
Dr. Of Conservative Studies
http://www.rightpoint.org
Liberal thinking, Call George Bush
A liar, Then Vote For Paul Martin.
Ahahahahahahahahahahaahaha
"Truth is incontrovertible; malice
may attack it and ignorance
may deride it; but, in the end;
there it is." ~Winston Churchill
"- Prof. Jonez©"
2005-07-25 15:38:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Right One
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil
Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological
boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and
misery than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Do you live in Cuba?
Have you ever been to Cuba?
t***@gmail.com
2005-07-26 00:55:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by The Right One
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological
boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and
misery than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Do you live in Cuba?
Have you ever been to Cuba?
Who'd want to go to that filthy commie shithole?
"- Prof. Jonez©"
2005-07-26 01:15:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by The Right One
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological
boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and
the military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death
and misery than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G
"village idiot" Bu$h
claims ...?
Do you live in Cuba?
Have you ever been to Cuba?
Who'd want to go to that filthy commie shithole?
Good, stay away ... far far away.
Glen Hallick
2005-07-25 21:43:05 UTC
Permalink
Come on Terry, I'm sure if some one spun a lie about you most certainly you
would be asking that person to do the right thing by apologizing. I expect
you to do the right thing by apologizing for your lie that I hate Jews.

Glen
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
So is "modern Cuba" fascist as you claim or is it communist as G "village
idiot"
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Bu$h
claims ...?
Do you live in Cuba?
--
Terry Pearson
Dr. Of Conservative Studies
http://www.rightpoint.org
Liberal thinking, Call George Bush
A liar, Then Vote For Paul Martin.
Ahahahahahahahahahahaahaha
"Truth is incontrovertible; malice
may attack it and ignorance
may deride it; but, in the end;
there it is." ~Winston Churchill
d***@yahoo.ca
2005-07-25 21:59:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Glen Hallick
Come on Terry, I'm sure if some one spun a lie about you most certainly you
would be asking that person to do the right thing by apologizing.
Terry has the instincts of a prison inmate who views "apologies" as a
form of weakness.
judgejudy
2005-07-28 01:10:56 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:43:05 -0500, "Glen Hallick"
<***@mts.net> wrote:

#Come on Terry, I'm sure if some one spun a lie about you most
certainly you
#would be asking that person to do the right thing by apologizing. I
expect
#you to do the right thing by apologizing for your lie that I hate
Jews.
#
#Glen


I think TeeWie is similar to the sleazy bully and greatest demagogue
in the history of America, Joseph R. McCarthy. His lies cover just
about everything ( i.e. Dr. of Conservative Studies - Ponoka
Institute). There does not appear to be much substance in his
posts and he is incapable of any capacity for rational thought.
Instead he relies on witless personnel attacks.

Glen you are not the first one TeeWie has created a lie about and you
won't be the last. Get over it and move on.

By the way the Ponoka Institute is Alberta's oldest and largest mental
institution, located near Edmonton.
Chris Hayes
2005-07-25 07:40:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Probably because he is an evil communist.
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
Nope
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
No. The communist eastern bloc was defeated by capitalism and the
military strength of the USA.
Nope. It collapsed because it was inherently incoherent.
Post by t***@gmail.com
Good thing too, as communism was responsible for more death and misery
than even nazism.
Person #8
2005-07-25 12:38:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
The US government are hypocrites, they embargo Cuba and intimidate sovereign
nations that do business with them, ostensibly because of Cuba's poor human
rights record and all the while bend over backwards to do business with
China, including the fact that the lions share of the US debt is held in
bonds by the Chinese government.
James H. Hood
2005-07-26 06:06:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Person #8
Post by "- Prof. Jonez©"
Post by t***@gmail.com
The best summary of modern Cuba I've ever seen.
LOL!
The U$A has been whining for years that Fidel is a evil Communist.
Has the U$A been so pig-ignorantly wrong all these years,
was the cold war fought over the wrong ideological boogie-monster?
The US government are hypocrites, they embargo Cuba and intimidate sovereign
nations that do business with them, ostensibly because of Cuba's poor human
rights record
Exactly how is the US "intimidating" Sweden?
Rhino
2005-07-25 04:04:49 UTC
Permalink
We discussed this definition of "fascism" on this newsgroup, can.politics,
last year sometime and soon realized it was actually a definition of
totalitarianism, not of fascism. We found that it fit Hitler, Stalin, and
various other dictators of both the right and left equally well.

Rhino
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/The_14_characteristics_030303.htm
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
by Lawrence Britt
Spring 2003
Free Inquiry magazine
Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article
about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page
20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini
(Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile),
Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these
the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in
accordance with the magazine's policy.
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes,
slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen
everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in
fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in
certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other
way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations,
long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need
to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or
religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists,
etc.
Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is
given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the
domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are
glamorized.
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively
male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and
anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in
other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government
regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.
Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion
in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious
rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when
the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the
government's policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are
the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a
mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a
fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or
are severely suppressed .
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher
education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the
arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the
arts.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to
enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses
and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is
often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in
fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and
associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
governmental power and authority to protect their friends from
accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national
resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright
stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other
times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control
voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of
the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to
manipulate or control elections.
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