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Ben Jimmie
2004-10-22 02:55:20 UTC
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Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?

My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.

As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as
they have none.

Freemasons claim that they are masons (stonebuilders).

I am still waiting to meet one who is able to build anything using stones.
Let me know just one name of living Freemason who was involved in building
anything and that is documented (churches or other significant building only
counts).

How many old churches or historic building are actually build by freemasons?
NONE !!!

There is no any masonic sign anywhere on any significant building anywhere
in the world !!!

They are cheat and liars.

They sat they accept members who believe in some kind of God because they
calculate it would be easier to convert someone who believe in something
which can not be seen. They exploit common trust and religious believes of
naive or stupid people to produce liars, conspirators and murderers and rule
the world through network of corrupted politicians, policemen, army
officers, lawyers and politicians. Members of those professions promise to
obey the law of the country but they do not as masonic rules prevent them of
being loyal citizens as they have to obey only orders from other freemasons.

Country which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not a
democratic country.

Religion which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not a
religion but a satanic cult as freemasons worship Lucifer.

If I say that I am a doctor or priest, I may be arrested.
All freemasons should be treated the same - please go to Police and request
arrest of liars.

Everyone knows that they are "invented" in 18th Century.
Masons even claim that they built pyramids, although it's hard to find Mason
capable of building a small home barbeque from few bricks.

They invented secrets because they know they are cheat.

It is hard to believe that in 21st Century some idiots believe in
freemasonism and this is tolerated in our modern society.

**** this is posted to help existing freemasons to save their soul. This is
your last chance to rebuke satanism and find real God.
~*Sir Mike Hunt Hertz 111 ESQ*~
2004-10-22 04:10:37 UTC
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The Knights will get you , you Anti MASON PIG
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as they have
none.
Freemasons claim that they are masons (stonebuilders).
I am still waiting to meet one who is able to build anything using stones.
Let me know just one name of living Freemason who was involved in building anything and
that is documented (churches or other significant building only counts).
How many old churches or historic building are actually build by freemasons?
NONE !!!
There is no any masonic sign anywhere on any significant building anywhere in the world
!!!
They are cheat and liars.
They sat they accept members who believe in some kind of God because they calculate it
would be easier to convert someone who believe in something which can not be seen. They
exploit common trust and religious believes of naive or stupid people to produce liars,
conspirators and murderers and rule the world through network of corrupted politicians,
policemen, army officers, lawyers and politicians. Members of those professions promise
to obey the law of the country but they do not as masonic rules prevent them of being
loyal citizens as they have to obey only orders from other freemasons.
Country which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not a democratic
country.
Religion which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not a religion but
a satanic cult as freemasons worship Lucifer.
If I say that I am a doctor or priest, I may be arrested.
All freemasons should be treated the same - please go to Police and request arrest of
liars.
Everyone knows that they are "invented" in 18th Century.
Masons even claim that they built pyramids, although it's hard to find Mason capable of
building a small home barbeque from few bricks.
They invented secrets because they know they are cheat.
It is hard to believe that in 21st Century some idiots believe in freemasonism and this
is tolerated in our modern society.
**** this is posted to help existing freemasons to save their soul. This is your last
chance to rebuke satanism and find real God.
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2004-10-22 04:26:22 UTC
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Post by ~*Sir Mike Hunt Hertz 111 ESQ*~
The Knights will get you , you Anti MASON PIG
Masonry Demit Letter

This is a sample letter of resignation from the Masonic lodge, taken
from our book, MASONRY BEYOND THE LIGHT.

"To the Master, Officers and Members of Lodge ______,

Dear Friends,

It is with regret that I submit my resignation from your Lodge and
from all Masonic bodies. I have taken this step in spite of the fact that I
value very deeply the friendships and associations I have developed within
Masonry over the years. However, One whom I love more than all of you has
said, "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and
he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." (Matthew
10:37)

Those who call themselves Christians and believe in the name of Jesus
are called to that kind of radical discipleship. If I am to be true to my
Lord who loved me and who gave Himself for me, the I must keep His
commandments. If I am called to love Him more than my own family, how much
more am I called to love Him more than friends and fraternal brothers?

Unfortunately, in spite of the fraternal love I bear you all, I find
that in following Jesus Christ, I must sever my ties with all forms of
Masonry. This is no reflection upon you, nor upon the many good things
Masonry does. It is simply the fact that Masonry refuses to honor Jesus
Christ as God Almighty come in the flesh to save us from our sins.

Our Lord said that "He that is not with me is against me, and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30)

Masonry refuses to confess Jesus before me, and Jesus has warned that
"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also
before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew
10:32-33)

Anything which presents itself as a religious or moral institution and
yet does not confess Jesus as God is denying Jesus! I'm deeply sorry,
brothers, but I cannot be a part of such a thing.

Masonry establishes itself as a complement to ones church, which
sounds find. Masonry has prayers, rituals, and solemn ceremonies in which
the Bible is involved. The Lodge is not secular, but religious. But in my
study of the Bible, it seems clear that Masonry asks us, as Masons, to do
things contrary to Biblical teachings.

For example, Jesus commanded us to "teach all nations" (Matthew
28:19-20) and to preach the gospel to everyone (Mark 16:15), yet Masonic
etiquette forbids me, as a Christian, from sharing my Savior with my
non-Christian Lodge brothers. I must stand by politely and watch them go to
hell, "for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we
must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Whom am I to obey, my Lord or my Lodge?

The very Bible which sits on the altar commands these things. It is
one of the "three great lights" of Masonry, and yet you ignore its teachings
for the sake of harmony.

Jesus also commands us to swear no oaths (Matthew 5:34-37) and His
sovereign command is echoed by James (5:12). Yet the taking of solemn oaths
is the very heart of Masonic ritual. My brothers, these things ought not to
be! Finally, the apostle Paul commands that believers in Jesus not be
"unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath
righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with
darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14)

I take my Masonic obligations very seriously, and for that very
reason, I realize that the cable-tow was a powerful yoke which bound me to
many Masons who are not Christians, however sincere they may be in their
devotions. I must take the commands of my God more seriously. To remain in
Masonry is to compromise my relationship with Jesus Who died for me.

I realize that whatever benefits Masonry has, they cannot possibly be
compared with the joys of full friendship with the Almighty Lord of the
universe Who died so that I might live - and who loves all Masons, as I do,
even though they allow Him no place in their ceremonies.

You, my brothers, must decide for yourselves what you will do with the
god of Masonry, but "as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
(Joshua 24:15)

God bless you as you seek His will in this important manner.

[signed] In Christian love,

[Your name]
Post by ~*Sir Mike Hunt Hertz 111 ESQ*~
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge
as they have none.
Freemasons claim that they are masons (stonebuilders).
I am still waiting to meet one who is able to build anything using stones.
Let me know just one name of living Freemason who was involved in
building anything and that is documented (churches or other significant
building only counts).
How many old churches or historic building are actually build by freemasons?
NONE !!!
There is no any masonic sign anywhere on any significant building
anywhere in the world !!!
They are cheat and liars.
They sat they accept members who believe in some kind of God because they
calculate it would be easier to convert someone who believe in something
which can not be seen. They exploit common trust and religious believes
of naive or stupid people to produce liars, conspirators and murderers
and rule the world through network of corrupted politicians, policemen,
army officers, lawyers and politicians. Members of those professions
promise to obey the law of the country but they do not as masonic rules
prevent them of being loyal citizens as they have to obey only orders
from other freemasons.
Country which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not
a democratic country.
Religion which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not
a religion but a satanic cult as freemasons worship Lucifer.
If I say that I am a doctor or priest, I may be arrested.
All freemasons should be treated the same - please go to Police and
request arrest of liars.
Everyone knows that they are "invented" in 18th Century.
Masons even claim that they built pyramids, although it's hard to find
Mason capable of building a small home barbeque from few bricks.
They invented secrets because they know they are cheat.
It is hard to believe that in 21st Century some idiots believe in
freemasonism and this is tolerated in our modern society.
**** this is posted to help existing freemasons to save their soul. This
is your last chance to rebuke satanism and find real God.
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2004-10-22 04:48:48 UTC
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Post by ~*Sir Mike Hunt Hertz 111 ESQ*~
The Knights will get you , you Anti MASON PIG
http://www.withoneaccord.org/store/SecretSins.html

10 Questions for a Mason who Thinks He is Christian

Secret Sins By William Schnoebelen


1. If Masonry is not a religion, why does it have all the trappings of
a religion?



Though Masons are told it is not a religion, that claim does not bear
close scrutiny. By any dictionary definition, Freemasonry has all the
distinctive qualities of a religion. It demands a belief in a Supreme Being
as a requirement for membership. It also has a chaplain, rituals of
initiation, prayers and funeral services and teaches a plan of salvation. It
also has an organized body of philosophical and ethical teachings. Thus,
Masonry is indeed a religion.



2. If it is a religion, which one is it?



First in concern, it is not the Christian religion. Masonic
authorities openly deny it is Christianity, (1) and this is further
evidenced by the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ is accorded no special
worship in the Lodge. He is presented as just one of many great sages and no
Mason is allowed to present Jesus to fellow Lodge members as Almighty God in
the flesh (1Timothy 3:15, John 1:14) or to witness Jesus to unsaved fellow
Masons. Beyond that, Masonry is alternately depicted (2) as a kind of
universalistic religion "upon which all men can agree." Universalism is a
theological doctrine holding that eventually all people will be saved.



This categorically means it cannot be Christian, for Jesus taught that
no one could be saved except through Him (John 14:6). The other face of
Masonry, seen in the writings of its greatest teachers (Pike, Mackey, Hall,
etc.). These men taught is that it is a modern revival of "ancient mystery
religions" (the worship of Baal) and that its core philosophy is Kabbalism,
a system of post-exilic Jewish occultism.(3) Stripped of all the verbiage,
this means that the philosophical core and pedigree of modern Freemasonry is
basically akin to that of witchcraft. (Both are called "the Craft").



3. Can a professed Christian be a part of a non-Christian religion?



Hopefully, this answer is self-evident. Jesus Himself warned that no
one can serve two masters (Matthew 6:24). Yet the Christian Mason is
attempting to serve his true Master, Jesus; and also the "Worshipful Master"
of the Lodge (Matthew 23:10). The Bible's message is clear. God does not
want his people trying to worship two different gods at the same time
(Exodus 20:3, 1 Kings 18:22). You cannot mingle Masonry and Christianity,
anymore than you could be a Christian Muslim or a Christian Hindu. (4) How
can you, as a follower of Jesus, be part of an institution that demands that
you break God's commandments?



Doubtless this question may shock most Masons. However, in several
obvious places, Masons are required to break the commandments of Jesus or
His Father. For example, Masons are required to swear blood oaths on the
Bible in the name of God, yet Jesus commanded His disciples never to swear
oaths (Matthew 5:34-37) and this command was repeated by James (James 5:12).
Should the Mason claim that the oaths are only "in fun" and not to be taken
seriously, then he has taken the name of the Lord in vain, another
commandment broken (Exodus 20:7). If he says the oaths are serious, then he
has violated the commandment which forbids murder by consenting with an oath
to his own murder (Exodus 20:13). Other commandments broken will be
mentioned below.



5. How can you ignore 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 by being "bound" to
countless nonbelievers and occultists who are Masons?



Though not widely known, some of the premiere witches and occultists
of this century were prominent Freemasons-both here and in England.(4) Their
names would include Aleister Crowley, Gerald Gardner and Alex Sanders.
Additionally, there are thousands of Masons of various other non-Christian
faiths (Judaism, Islam, etc.). Contrary to the command of 2 Corinthians 6
forbidding us to be "unequally yoked" to unbelievers, the Mason is bound by
a spiritual "tie" (5) to all other Masons, Christian or not. This is
mentioned in the first degree work in the context of removing the cabletow
from about the Initiate's neck. This bond is sealed with an oath in the name
of God. This is a clear violation of this commandment.



6. How can you be a part of an institution that makes you deny Jesus
within the First Degree?



The Bible teaches that when a person genuinely becomes Born Again, the
Lord Jesus comes in and takes residence within us. Bear this precious truth
in mind as you are reminded of this: at the door of the Lodge as an Entered
Apprentice candidate, the initiate is made to knock three times on the door
and then say in response to the challenge from within:



"Mr.______, who has long been in darkness now seeks to be brought to
light and receive a part in the rights and benefits of this worshipful
Lodge, erected to God and dedicated to the Holy Saints John as all brothers
and fellows have done before him." (6)



How can a genuine Christian agree that he has "long been in darkness"
when he has the Light of the World within him? How can he think that Masonry
can add anything to the light of Christ in whom are "hid all the treasures
of wisdom and knowledge" (Colossians 2:3) and in whom "all fullness dwells"
(Colossians 1:19)? Is this not denying Christ?



7. How can you be a part of an institution that does not acknowledge
Jesus as God and yet exalts a minor Bible character to be "the greatest
Mason, if not the greatest man, who ever lived"?



Freemasonry, as a matter of official policy, does not acknowledge the
unique claims of Jesus.(7) This would destroy their universalistic religion
which claims that all religionists are welcome at the altar of Masonry.
However, the Bible makes clear that Jesus' name is above every other name
(Philippians 2:9, Ephesians 1:21) and that without confessing Him as Lord no
one can be saved (John 14:6, Romans 10:9-13). Jesus Himself states that all
other religious leaders who came before him (Buddha, Zoroaster, etc.) were
"thieves and robbers." (John 10:8)



The Bible points to Jesus Christ! It is supposed to be one of the
"three great lights" of Masonry and the "rule and guide of our [the Masons']
faith" Yet this same Bible, which so lifts up the name of Jesus, barely
mentions the central figure of Masonic myth, Hiram Abiff. This obscure
craftsman, who is barely mentioned in the context of the building of Solomon's
temple, is treated like a god-figure in Masonry. He is lionized above all
other men in the Old Testament and even made to be as great-or greater-than
Jesus. His murder by three ruffians before he could finish the work on the
temple is the center of the Masonic "mystery," and yet from the Bible's
perspective, it is a lie. The Bible clearly states that Hiram "made an end
of doing all the work that he made king Solomon for the house of the Lord."
(1 Kings 7:40)



8. How can you be a part of an institution that will not acknowledge
that Jesus rose from the dead and which conducts blasphemous parodies of the
Lord's Table?



Albert Pike, Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, wrote that Jesus'
bodily remains have now been reduced to dust motes in the earth that we eat
as they have been absorbed into the earth through the centuries. (8) The
Scottish rite ritual, the "Feast of the Paschal Lamb" also refuses to
acknowledge that Jesus rose from the dead. (9)



In the York Rite, a blasphemous parody of the Lord's Supper is
conducted as part of the Knight Templar degree in which the candidate is
made to stand before a sinister triangular table draped in black velvet and
illuminated by candles. In the center is a Bible atop which rests a human
skull. From this skull, the candidate takes "communion," swearing most
solemnly that if he ever breaks his oath, all his own sins and the sins of
the man from whose skull he is drinking will come back on his own head. (10)
Talk about crucifying the Son of God afresh and bringing Him to an open
shame (Hebrews 10:28-29)!



9. How can you be a part of an institution whose teachers proclaim
that it is descended from a fertility cult and that the god of Freemasonry
is the male reproductive organ?


Though this would shock most Masons, the fact is that the greatest
teachers of Masonry make it clear that the central symbol of deity in the
Lodge is the phallus or penis. (11) This is why so many Masonic memorials
(tombstones or the Washington monument) are, in fact, phallic symbols. This
is why the male genitals are "veiled" by the Masonic apron, just like a veil
covered the Holy of Holies in Solomon's temple. This is what the Letter G
stands for in Masonry; not for God or "Geometry" as the Fellowcraft is told
in the second degree lecture, but rather for the power of "Generativity" or
reproduction.



10. How many things have to be sinful about an institution before you,
as a Christian, need to separate yourself completely from it?



My brothers, this is but a brief list of things that most Masons
either know, or could readily find out. It is just that most Masons have
never bothered to put these things together because they were told that
Masonry was noble. Now you know these things, and how contrary they are to
the Bible. The answer to this question ought to be: only one! If even one of
these questions raises a valid secret sin within the Lodge, then that should
be reason enough to quit. This is just a men's club! Is it worth destroying
your testimony and your power as a Christian man? You need to get on your
knees right now and ask the Lord to forgive you for your involvement in the
Lodge and renounce it forever as a sin. Then you need to write a letter
requesting a demit from the Lodge. If you write to us, we can even provide
you with a sample letter. You must not delay. Remember Paul's words: "What
fellowship hath light with darkness?"



Endnotes:
1. Albert Mackey, 33°, Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, 1966, p.
618.

2. Albert Pike, 33°, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted
Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1966, , p. 226.

3. ibid., p. 389.

4. ibid., pp. 744, 771.

5. William Schnoebelen, Masonry: Beyond the Light, 1991, p. 204-205.

6. Duncan's Ritual Monitor, 1974, p.36.

7. ibid., p. 29.

8. Pike, p.525, also Henry Clausen, 33° , Practice and Procedure for
the Scottish Rite, 1981, pp. 75-77; R.S. Clymer, The Mysticism of Masonry,
1900, p. 47; and J.D. Buck, Symbolism of Mystic Masonry, 1925, p. 57; and
Manly P. Hall, 33°, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, 1976, p. 90-91.

9. Pike, p. 539.

10. Clausen, op. cit., pp. 75-77.

11. Illustrated Ritual of the Six Degrees of the Council and
Commandery, Charles Powner Co., 1975, p. 227-28.

12. Pike, p. 401; Albert Mackey, 33°, The Manual of the Lodge, 1870,
p. 156; and Mackey, Encyclopedia, p. 560.
Post by ~*Sir Mike Hunt Hertz 111 ESQ*~
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge
as they have none.
Freemasons claim that they are masons (stonebuilders).
I am still waiting to meet one who is able to build anything using stones.
Let me know just one name of living Freemason who was involved in
building anything and that is documented (churches or other significant
building only counts).
How many old churches or historic building are actually build by freemasons?
NONE !!!
There is no any masonic sign anywhere on any significant building
anywhere in the world !!!
They are cheat and liars.
They sat they accept members who believe in some kind of God because they
calculate it would be easier to convert someone who believe in something
which can not be seen. They exploit common trust and religious believes
of naive or stupid people to produce liars, conspirators and murderers
and rule the world through network of corrupted politicians, policemen,
army officers, lawyers and politicians. Members of those professions
promise to obey the law of the country but they do not as masonic rules
prevent them of being loyal citizens as they have to obey only orders
from other freemasons.
Country which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not
a democratic country.
Religion which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not
a religion but a satanic cult as freemasons worship Lucifer.
If I say that I am a doctor or priest, I may be arrested.
All freemasons should be treated the same - please go to Police and
request arrest of liars.
Everyone knows that they are "invented" in 18th Century.
Masons even claim that they built pyramids, although it's hard to find
Mason capable of building a small home barbeque from few bricks.
They invented secrets because they know they are cheat.
It is hard to believe that in 21st Century some idiots believe in
freemasonism and this is tolerated in our modern society.
**** this is posted to help existing freemasons to save their soul. This
is your last chance to rebuke satanism and find real God.
Ned Latham
2004-10-23 01:57:15 UTC
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2004-10-22 06:50:17 UTC
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Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge
as they have none.
The rest of the irrational nonsense has been severely snipped.

The Internet has brought humanity the benefit of greater communication
opportunity, but it has also been used by the ignorant majority to
promulgate lies and unsubstantiated drivel as well as all manner of insane
prejudice, hate, spurious reasoning and unrivalled irrationality. It has,
most unfortunately, become a hive of unparallelled stupidity instead of a
place of pure reason and sanity. Intelligence is hardly to be seen.

The questions you ask and the statements you make, considering the manner
in which they are presented, indicate your proclivity for stupidity and
irrationality, thereby such are not deserving of an insightful response
and shall remain unanswered by those of whom truly know.
Ernest
2004-10-22 12:12:00 UTC
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Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as
they have none.
snipped bigotted bullshit

I am not a Freemason, but know many and know much of
what they believe and teach. The bigotted bullshit that
you spewed forth is a rehash of the same bullshit the
Roman Catholic church has been spreading about them
for hundreds of years. The RCs started on them ages
ago becaue the Freemasons believe in the gnostic view
of God in that each person can have a a direct involvement
with God. For about 1,700 years it has been the Roman
Catholic church's point of view that individuals had no
direct contact with God except through the church and
it hierachy and that the higher the church rank the more
contact you had. This is directly opposite that of the
gnostic one to one belief and thus the RC saw the
Freemasons as heretics and sought to discredit and
destroy them with lies; an action they have followed
since the creation of Freemasonry.

Wake up and learn something for yourself instead of
just parotting the bullshit you have been blindly fed
by others.

BTW want to check if your church feeds you bullshit
ask them for direct scriptual evidence where Jesus
or God promoted celibacy or said that sex between
unmarried people was wrong, excepting very high
promiscuity known as whoredom or prostitution.

Then if you are a Christian ask them to tell you how
many commandments you must follow and the scriptures
that detail them.


Deadly Ernest

@bywater.net.au

(my new keyboard, with small keys,
accepts full responsibility for all
typographical and spelling errors)
Ernest
2004-10-23 14:24:49 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:12:00 +1000, Ernest
Post by Ernest
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as
they have none.
snipped bigotted bullshit
I am not a Freemason, but know many and know much of
what they believe and teach. The bigotted bullshit that
you spewed forth is a rehash of the same bullshit the
Roman Catholic church has been spreading about them
for hundreds of years. The RCs started on them ages
ago becaue the Freemasons believe in the gnostic view
of God in that each person can have a a direct involvement
with God. For about 1,700 years it has been the Roman
Catholic church's point of view that individuals had no
direct contact with God except through the church and
it hierachy and that the higher the church rank the more
contact you had. This is directly opposite that of the
gnostic one to one belief and thus the RC saw the
Freemasons as heretics and sought to discredit and
destroy them with lies; an action they have followed
since the creation of Freemasonry.
Wake up and learn something for yourself instead of
just parotting the bullshit you have been blindly fed
by others.
BTW want to check if your church feeds you bullshit
ask them for direct scriptual evidence where Jesus
or God promoted celibacy or said that sex between
unmarried people was wrong, excepting very high
promiscuity known as whoredom or prostitution.
Then if you are a Christian ask them to tell you how
many commandments you must follow and the scriptures
that detail them.
Deadly Ernest
Oh forgot to mention that in the medieval times
many churches and govt building were built by
freemasons in the normal course of their employment
but they never placed their symbols etc on other
people's property as it was against their rules.
Not all Freemasons had to be masons and many
were not, and that is still the case today.


Deadly Ernest

@bywater.net.au

(my new keyboard, with small keys,
accepts full responsibility for all
typographical and spelling errors)
Eileen O'Connor
2004-10-24 01:53:00 UTC
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Post by Ernest
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:12:00 +1000, Ernest
Post by Ernest
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as
they have none.
snipped bigotted bullshit
I am not a Freemason, but know many and know much of
what they believe and teach. The bigotted bullshit that
you spewed forth is a rehash of the same bullshit the
Roman Catholic church has been spreading about them
for hundreds of years. The RCs started on them ages
ago becaue the Freemasons believe in the gnostic view
of God in that each person can have a a direct involvement
with God. For about 1,700 years it has been the Roman
Catholic church's point of view that individuals had no
direct contact with God except through the church and
it hierachy and that the higher the church rank the more
contact you had. This is directly opposite that of the
gnostic one to one belief and thus the RC saw the
Freemasons as heretics and sought to discredit and
destroy them with lies; an action they have followed
since the creation of Freemasonry.
Wake up and learn something for yourself instead of
just parotting the bullshit you have been blindly fed
by others.
BTW want to check if your church feeds you bullshit
ask them for direct scriptual evidence where Jesus
or God promoted celibacy or said that sex between
unmarried people was wrong, excepting very high
promiscuity known as whoredom or prostitution.
Then if you are a Christian ask them to tell you how
many commandments you must follow and the scriptures
that detail them.
Deadly Ernest
Oh forgot to mention that in the medieval times
many churches and govt building were built by
freemasons in the normal course of their employment
but they never placed their symbols etc on other
people's property as it was against their rules.
Not all Freemasons had to be masons and many
were not, and that is still the case today.
Dear > Deadly Ernest,

Please fill the form attached below and return it to your local lodge. You
can also send it to Geral Peter Cosgrove or Governor General as they are
freemasons, which is conflict of interest to the work they are doing.


Masonry Demit Letter

This is a sample letter of resignation from the Masonic lodge, taken
from our book, MASONRY BEYOND THE LIGHT.

"To the Master, Officers and Members of Lodge ______,

Dear Friends,

It is with regret that I submit my resignation from your Lodge and
from all Masonic bodies. I have taken this step in spite of the fact that I
value very deeply the friendships and associations I have developed within
Masonry over the years. However, One whom I love more than all of you has
said, "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and
he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." (Matthew
10:37)

Those who call themselves Christians and believe in the name of Jesus
are called to that kind of radical discipleship. If I am to be true to my
Lord who loved me and who gave Himself for me, the I must keep His
commandments. If I am called to love Him more than my own family, how much
more am I called to love Him more than friends and fraternal brothers?

Unfortunately, in spite of the fraternal love I bear you all, I find
that in following Jesus Christ, I must sever my ties with all forms of
Masonry. This is no reflection upon you, nor upon the many good things
Masonry does. It is simply the fact that Masonry refuses to honor Jesus
Christ as God Almighty come in the flesh to save us from our sins.

Our Lord said that "He that is not with me is against me, and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30)

Masonry refuses to confess Jesus before me, and Jesus has warned that
"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also
before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew
10:32-33)

Anything which presents itself as a religious or moral institution and
yet does not confess Jesus as God is denying Jesus! I'm deeply sorry,
brothers, but I cannot be a part of such a thing.

Masonry establishes itself as a complement to ones church, which
sounds find. Masonry has prayers, rituals, and solemn ceremonies in which
the Bible is involved. The Lodge is not secular, but religious. But in my
study of the Bible, it seems clear that Masonry asks us, as Masons, to do
things contrary to Biblical teachings.

For example, Jesus commanded us to "teach all nations" (Matthew
28:19-20) and to preach the gospel to everyone (Mark 16:15), yet Masonic
etiquette forbids me, as a Christian, from sharing my Savior with my
non-Christian Lodge brothers. I must stand by politely and watch them go to
hell, "for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we
must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Whom am I to obey, my Lord or my Lodge?

The very Bible which sits on the altar commands these things. It is
one of the "three great lights" of Masonry, and yet you ignore its teachings
for the sake of harmony.

Jesus also commands us to swear no oaths (Matthew 5:34-37) and His
sovereign command is echoed by James (5:12). Yet the taking of solemn oaths
is the very heart of Masonic ritual. My brothers, these things ought not to
be! Finally, the apostle Paul commands that believers in Jesus not be
"unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath
righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with
darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14)

I take my Masonic obligations very seriously, and for that very
reason, I realize that the cable-tow was a powerful yoke which bound me to
many Masons who are not Christians, however sincere they may be in their
devotions. I must take the commands of my God more seriously. To remain in
Masonry is to compromise my relationship with Jesus Who died for me.

I realize that whatever benefits Masonry has, they cannot possibly be
compared with the joys of full friendship with the Almighty Lord of the
universe Who died so that I might live - and who loves all Masons, as I do,
even though they allow Him no place in their ceremonies.

You, my brothers, must decide for yourselves what you will do with the
god of Masonry, but "as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
(Joshua 24:15)

God bless you as you seek His will in this important manner.

[signed] In Christian love,

[Your name]
James Smythe
2004-10-24 02:11:56 UTC
Permalink
But how many Masons in Parliament?

JS
Ned Latham
2004-10-24 23:49:28 UTC
Permalink
"James Smythe" wrote in <MbEed.36967$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

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Ernest
2004-10-24 08:26:10 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:53:00 +1000, "Eileen O'Connor"
Post by Eileen O'Connor
Post by Ernest
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:12:00 +1000, Ernest
Post by Ernest
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as
they have none.
snipped bigotted bullshit
I am not a Freemason, but know many and know much of
what they believe and teach. The bigotted bullshit that
you spewed forth is a rehash of the same bullshit the
Roman Catholic church has been spreading about them
for hundreds of years. The RCs started on them ages
ago becaue the Freemasons believe in the gnostic view
of God in that each person can have a a direct involvement
with God. For about 1,700 years it has been the Roman
Catholic church's point of view that individuals had no
direct contact with God except through the church and
it hierachy and that the higher the church rank the more
contact you had. This is directly opposite that of the
gnostic one to one belief and thus the RC saw the
Freemasons as heretics and sought to discredit and
destroy them with lies; an action they have followed
since the creation of Freemasonry.
Wake up and learn something for yourself instead of
just parotting the bullshit you have been blindly fed
by others.
BTW want to check if your church feeds you bullshit
ask them for direct scriptual evidence where Jesus
or God promoted celibacy or said that sex between
unmarried people was wrong, excepting very high
promiscuity known as whoredom or prostitution.
Then if you are a Christian ask them to tell you how
many commandments you must follow and the scriptures
that detail them.
Deadly Ernest
Oh forgot to mention that in the medieval times
many churches and govt building were built by
freemasons in the normal course of their employment
but they never placed their symbols etc on other
people's property as it was against their rules.
Not all Freemasons had to be masons and many
were not, and that is still the case today.
Dear > Deadly Ernest,
Please fill the form attached below and return it to your local lodge. You
can also send it to Geral Peter Cosgrove or Governor General as they are
freemasons, which is conflict of interest to the work they are doing.
First point being a member of the Freemasons would not be a
conflict of interest to their work as they do not overlap any more
than being a member of any other non political organisation.


Second point I am not and never have been a member of the
Freemasons as I would not pass their membership scrutiny due
to certain misconducts in my younger days, thus I have no need
to resign from an organisation I never joined.


If you wish to attack a religious organisation that has seriously
distorted the word and teachings of God and caused major
political problems around the world you can have a go at the
Roman Catholic Church; over the centuries it has started
dozens of wars and caused the torture of thousands of people
and the theft of billions in treasures and lands. Historically it has
been involved in more war and terrorism than the Islamic church.
Today The Roman Catholics have quietened down while the Islamic
church has not.
Post by Eileen O'Connor
Masonry Demit Letter
This is a sample letter of resignation from the Masonic lodge, taken
from our book, MASONRY BEYOND THE LIGHT.
"To the Master, Officers and Members of Lodge ______,
Dear Friends,
It is with regret that I submit my resignation from your Lodge and
from all Masonic bodies. I have taken this step in spite of the fact that I
value very deeply the friendships and associations I have developed within
Masonry over the years. However, One whom I love more than all of you has
said, "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and
he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." (Matthew
10:37)
Those who call themselves Christians and believe in the name of Jesus
are called to that kind of radical discipleship. If I am to be true to my
Lord who loved me and who gave Himself for me, the I must keep His
commandments. If I am called to love Him more than my own family, how much
more am I called to love Him more than friends and fraternal brothers?
Unfortunately, in spite of the fraternal love I bear you all, I find
that in following Jesus Christ, I must sever my ties with all forms of
Masonry. This is no reflection upon you, nor upon the many good things
Masonry does. It is simply the fact that Masonry refuses to honor Jesus
Christ as God Almighty come in the flesh to save us from our sins.
Our Lord said that "He that is not with me is against me, and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30)
Masonry refuses to confess Jesus before me, and Jesus has warned that
"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also
before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew
10:32-33)
Anything which presents itself as a religious or moral institution and
yet does not confess Jesus as God is denying Jesus! I'm deeply sorry,
brothers, but I cannot be a part of such a thing.
Masonry establishes itself as a complement to ones church, which
sounds find. Masonry has prayers, rituals, and solemn ceremonies in which
the Bible is involved. The Lodge is not secular, but religious. But in my
study of the Bible, it seems clear that Masonry asks us, as Masons, to do
things contrary to Biblical teachings.
For example, Jesus commanded us to "teach all nations" (Matthew
28:19-20) and to preach the gospel to everyone (Mark 16:15), yet Masonic
etiquette forbids me, as a Christian, from sharing my Savior with my
non-Christian Lodge brothers. I must stand by politely and watch them go to
hell, "for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we
must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Whom am I to obey, my Lord or my Lodge?
The very Bible which sits on the altar commands these things. It is
one of the "three great lights" of Masonry, and yet you ignore its teachings
for the sake of harmony.
Jesus also commands us to swear no oaths (Matthew 5:34-37) and His
sovereign command is echoed by James (5:12). Yet the taking of solemn oaths
is the very heart of Masonic ritual. My brothers, these things ought not to
be! Finally, the apostle Paul commands that believers in Jesus not be
"unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath
righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with
darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14)
I take my Masonic obligations very seriously, and for that very
reason, I realize that the cable-tow was a powerful yoke which bound me to
many Masons who are not Christians, however sincere they may be in their
devotions. I must take the commands of my God more seriously. To remain in
Masonry is to compromise my relationship with Jesus Who died for me.
I realize that whatever benefits Masonry has, they cannot possibly be
compared with the joys of full friendship with the Almighty Lord of the
universe Who died so that I might live - and who loves all Masons, as I do,
even though they allow Him no place in their ceremonies.
You, my brothers, must decide for yourselves what you will do with the
god of Masonry, but "as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
(Joshua 24:15)
God bless you as you seek His will in this important manner.
[signed] In Christian love,
[Your name]
Deadly Ernest

@bywater.net.au

(my new keyboard, with small keys,
accepts full responsibility for all
typographical and spelling errors)
Ned Latham
2004-10-24 23:49:57 UTC
Permalink
"Ernest" wrote in <***@4ax.com>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

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Dr Krohn
2004-10-25 12:53:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ernest
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:53:00 +1000, "Eileen O'Connor"
Post by Eileen O'Connor
Post by Ernest
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:12:00 +1000, Ernest
Post by Ernest
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as
they have none.
snipped bigotted bullshit
I am not a Freemason, but know many and know much of
what they believe and teach. The bigotted bullshit that
you spewed forth is a rehash of the same bullshit the
Roman Catholic church has been spreading about them
for hundreds of years. The RCs started on them ages
ago becaue the Freemasons believe in the gnostic view
of God in that each person can have a a direct involvement
with God. For about 1,700 years it has been the Roman
Catholic church's point of view that individuals had no
direct contact with God except through the church and
it hierachy and that the higher the church rank the more
contact you had. This is directly opposite that of the
gnostic one to one belief and thus the RC saw the
Freemasons as heretics and sought to discredit and
destroy them with lies; an action they have followed
since the creation of Freemasonry.
Wake up and learn something for yourself instead of
just parotting the bullshit you have been blindly fed
by others.
BTW want to check if your church feeds you bullshit
ask them for direct scriptual evidence where Jesus
or God promoted celibacy or said that sex between
unmarried people was wrong, excepting very high
promiscuity known as whoredom or prostitution.
Then if you are a Christian ask them to tell you how
many commandments you must follow and the scriptures
that detail them.
Deadly Ernest
Oh forgot to mention that in the medieval times
many churches and govt building were built by
freemasons in the normal course of their employment
but they never placed their symbols etc on other
people's property as it was against their rules.
Not all Freemasons had to be masons and many
were not, and that is still the case today.
Dear > Deadly Ernest,
Please fill the form attached below and return it to your local lodge. You
can also send it to General Peter Cosgrove or Governor General as they are
freemasons, which is conflict of interest to the work they are doing.
First point being a member of the Freemasons would not be a
conflict of interest to their work as they do not overlap any more
than being a member of any other non political organisation.
Second point I am not and never have been a member of the
Freemasons as I would not pass their membership scrutiny due
to certain misconducts in my younger days, thus I have no need
to resign from an organisation I never joined.
If you wish to attack a religious organisation that has seriously
distorted the word and teachings of God and caused major
political problems around the world you can have a go at the
Roman Catholic Church; over the centuries it has started
dozens of wars and caused the torture of thousands of people
and the theft of billions in treasures and lands. Historically it has
been involved in more war and terrorism than the Islamic church.
Today The Roman Catholics have quietened down while the Islamic
church has not.
While some members of the Catholic Church were involved in some wars,
plunder and other atrocities many Centuries ago, all recent wars from the
20th Century onward, were started by freemasons.

The First World War was started by Serbian Masons - all Serbian Royal family
members were involved in masonry.

The Second World War was started by Hitler who was a member of Masonic cult
Thule Society.

http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html

The Thule-Gesellschaft (Thule Society) was founded August 17, 1918, by
Rudolf von Sebottendorff. He had been schooled in occultism, Islamic
mysticism, alchemy, Rosicrucianism and much else, in Turkey, where he had
also been initiated into Freemasonry.


http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/adolf-hitler.htm

It is possible that Hitler discovered his Jewish background and his relation
to the Rothschild's, and aware of their enormous power to make or break
European governments, re-established contact with the family. This would
partially explain the enormous support he received from the international
banking fraternity, closely entwined with the Rothschild family, as he rose
to power.
There is a great deal of confusion in studying Hitler's family tree.
Adolph's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna
Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler was
Johann Georg Hiedler.... Alois, however, was not legitimized, and he bore
his mother's name until he was forty years of age when he changed it to
Hitler. There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler
was the father of Alois. Thyssen and Koehler, for example, claim that
Chancellor Dolfuss (the Chancellor of Austria) had ordered the Austrian
police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a
result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved
Maria Anna Shicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived.

At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron
Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back
to her home in Spital where Alois was bom.5


The planning of the Second World War started when Adolf Hitler joined a
secret society called the Thule Society in 1919. It was in this group that
he found the perverted beliefs that were later to lead him in his control of
the German government.
In the Thule Society: "... the sun played a prime role... as a sacred symbol
of the Aryans, in contrast to... the moon, revered by the Semitic peoples.
The Fuhrer saw in the Jewish people, with their black hair and swarthy
complexions, the dark side of the human species, whilst the blond and
blue-eyed Aryans constituted the light side of humanity. ... Hitler
undertook to extirpate from the material world its impure elements."1

In addition to sun (or light) worship, the Thule Society also practiced
Satan worship: "The inner core within the Thule Society were all Satanists
who practiced Black Magic."2
The Society was not a working-man's group as it included amongst its
members: "judges, police-chiefs, barristers, lawyers, university professors
and lecturers, aristocratic families, leading industrialists, surgeons,
physicians, scientists, as well as a host of rich and influential
bourgeois.... "3

The membership of the Thule Society also became the foundation of the Nazi
Party: "... the Committee and the forty original members of the New German
Workers' Party were all drawn from the most powerful occult society in
Germany-the Thule Society."4

One of the founders of both groups, the Nazi Party and the Thule Society,
was Dietrich Eckart: "a dedicated Satanist, the supreme adept of the arts
and rituals of Black Magic and the central figure in a powerful and
wide-spread circle of occultists-the Thule Group. (He was] one of the seven
founder members of the Nazi Party...."

Eckart claimed to be the initiator of Hitler into the secrets of Satan
worship. He is quoted as saying on his deathbed: "Follow Hitler. He will
dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the
'Secret Doctrine;' opened his centres in vision and given him the means to
communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn for me: I shall have influenced
history more than any German."

It is worth to also mention Hitler's connection with Masons in the USA like
Herst and Kennedy:

http://www.ytedk.com/hitler.htm

- As ambassador to England, Joe Kennedy would later make clear that he
thought the Jews had "brought on themselves" whatever Hitler did to them.
During a 1938 meeting at the German embassy in London, Kennedy assured the
German ambassador that America only wanted friendly relations with Hitler.
Joe said that Hitler's government had done "great things" for the country,
and that the Germans were "satisfied" and enjoyed "good living conditions."
Joe told the ambassador that a recent report which said the limited food in
Germany was being reserved for the army could not be true. After all, Joe
said, the professor who had made the report "was a Jew."
- Kennedy urged his friend William Randolph Hearst to help Hitler improve
his image in the United states. Hearst agreed, and under his own byline he
told his readers that Hitler had "restored character and courage. Hitler
gave hope and confidence. He established order and unity of purpose."

Further reading

a.. Alan Bullock, Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives, HarperCollins,
1991,ISBN: 0679729941
b.. Alan Bullock, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny,ISBN: 0060920203
c.. Joachim Fest, Hitler, Harvest Books, 2002,ISBN: 0156027542
d.. Ian Kershaw, Hitler 1889-1936: Hubris, W W Norton, 1999, and Hitler
1937-1945: Nemesis, W W Norton, 2000,ISBN: 0393320359
Post by Ernest
Post by Eileen O'Connor
Masonry Demit Letter
This is a sample letter of resignation from the Masonic lodge, taken
from our book, MASONRY BEYOND THE LIGHT.
"To the Master, Officers and Members of Lodge ______,
Dear Friends,
It is with regret that I submit my resignation from your Lodge and
from all Masonic bodies. I have taken this step in spite of the fact that I
value very deeply the friendships and associations I have developed within
Masonry over the years. However, One whom I love more than all of you has
said, "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and
he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." (Matthew
10:37)
Those who call themselves Christians and believe in the name of Jesus
are called to that kind of radical discipleship. If I am to be true to my
Lord who loved me and who gave Himself for me, the I must keep His
commandments. If I am called to love Him more than my own family, how much
more am I called to love Him more than friends and fraternal brothers?
Unfortunately, in spite of the fraternal love I bear you all, I find
that in following Jesus Christ, I must sever my ties with all forms of
Masonry. This is no reflection upon you, nor upon the many good things
Masonry does. It is simply the fact that Masonry refuses to honor Jesus
Christ as God Almighty come in the flesh to save us from our sins.
Our Lord said that "He that is not with me is against me, and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30)
Masonry refuses to confess Jesus before me, and Jesus has warned that
"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also
before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew
10:32-33)
Anything which presents itself as a religious or moral institution and
yet does not confess Jesus as God is denying Jesus! I'm deeply sorry,
brothers, but I cannot be a part of such a thing.
Masonry establishes itself as a complement to ones church, which
sounds find. Masonry has prayers, rituals, and solemn ceremonies in which
the Bible is involved. The Lodge is not secular, but religious. But in my
study of the Bible, it seems clear that Masonry asks us, as Masons, to do
things contrary to Biblical teachings.
For example, Jesus commanded us to "teach all nations" (Matthew
28:19-20) and to preach the gospel to everyone (Mark 16:15), yet Masonic
etiquette forbids me, as a Christian, from sharing my Savior with my
non-Christian Lodge brothers. I must stand by politely and watch them go to
hell, "for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we
must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Whom am I to obey, my Lord or my Lodge?
The very Bible which sits on the altar commands these things. It is
one of the "three great lights" of Masonry, and yet you ignore its teachings
for the sake of harmony.
Jesus also commands us to swear no oaths (Matthew 5:34-37) and His
sovereign command is echoed by James (5:12). Yet the taking of solemn oaths
is the very heart of Masonic ritual. My brothers, these things ought not to
be! Finally, the apostle Paul commands that believers in Jesus not be
"unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath
righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with
darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14)
I take my Masonic obligations very seriously, and for that very
reason, I realize that the cable-tow was a powerful yoke which bound me to
many Masons who are not Christians, however sincere they may be in their
devotions. I must take the commands of my God more seriously. To remain in
Masonry is to compromise my relationship with Jesus Who died for me.
I realize that whatever benefits Masonry has, they cannot possibly be
compared with the joys of full friendship with the Almighty Lord of the
universe Who died so that I might live - and who loves all Masons, as I do,
even though they allow Him no place in their ceremonies.
You, my brothers, must decide for yourselves what you will do with the
god of Masonry, but "as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
(Joshua 24:15)
God bless you as you seek His will in this important manner.
[signed] In Christian love,
[Your name]
Deadly Ernest
@bywater.net.au
(my new keyboard, with small keys,
accepts full responsibility for all
typographical and spelling errors)
James Smythe
2004-10-25 22:41:47 UTC
Permalink
Why did discussion of Freemasonry get the snip from Mr Neddeth Laytham?

Aren't Masons part of the Australian hidden history that formed our biasses?

Weren't they the group that stopped Irish Catholics from dominating the
culture (until Bishop Mannix fought a kind of fifth column action)?

You can't tell me it was only Presbeterians (make no smile, have no fun!)
and Calvinists (sneaky Dutch buggers)? Or was it the mythic Larrikin?

Please explain Neddeth!

JS.
Ned Latham
2004-10-27 12:54:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by James Smythe
Why did discussion of Freemasonry get the snip from Mr Neddeth Laytham?
You've already been told. So why do you ask?
Post by James Smythe
Aren't Masons part of the Australian hidden history that formed our biasses?
So post about them in aus.history.
Post by James Smythe
Weren't they the group that stopped Irish Catholics from dominating the
culture
*The* culture? Oz is MULTIcultured. Has been since day one.
Post by James Smythe
(until Bishop Mannix fought a kind of fifth column action)?
No. True Blue is a unifying culture: sectarianism plays no part in it.
Post by James Smythe
You can't tell me it was only Presbeterians (make no smile, have no
fun!) and Calvinists (sneaky Dutch buggers)? Or was it the mythic
Larrikin?
Please explain Neddeth!
The True Blue FAQ is referenced in my .sig, below. Read it. In it,
you will find a reference to the act-b FAQ. Read that too.

Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-10-27 13:00:40 UTC
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Post by James Smythe
Why did discussion of Freemasonry get the snip from Mr Neddeth Laytham?
Ned is a prolific, and one might say profligate snipper. He determines
what should appear in aus.culture.true-blue as if it were a private
newsgroup.
That's a lie. You know full well I base my opinion of what's relevant to
act-b on the act-b Charter.
Just can't control hisself.
Translation: insists on fighting trolls.
May be related to something
that happened to him
It's related to the simple fact that if you don't let people know
they're helping a troll, they won't know to stop.

----snip----
One wonders why Ned is trying to suppress discussion...
One who suffers from delusions would, Vegie. Since when has telling
people that their posts are irrelevant to a particular forum been a
"suppression" of discussion?

Oh, and... your misrepresentation of my posts isn't relevant to act-b.
Newsgroup header amended.

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James Smythe
2004-10-27 19:59:42 UTC
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Post by James Smythe
Why did discussion of Freemasonry get the snip from Mr Neddeth Laytham?
Ned is a prolific, and one might say profligate snipper. He determines
what should appear in aus.culture.true-blue as if it were a private
newsgroup.
That's a lie. You know full well I base my opinion of what's relevant to
act-b on the act-b Charter.
Fair enough, but I didn't think it was a moderated group.

Why, however, is the topic not relevant to the group?

It sounds quite relevant to me, and the Subject refers specifically to
True Blue Culture, even contrasting it with Stupidity of Australians.

Is it that True Blue Culture is controlled by Freemasonry?

Or is it that True Blue Culture is ignorant of Freemasonry?

Or is it that True Blue Culture is afraid of Freemasonry?

Or maybe even that True Blue Culture would be split asunder by discussion
of the topic?

Freemasonry is as preservationist and exclusive and self-interest serving
as the essence of True-Blue-ism (and/or the underbelly of things which that
label T-B accommodates). I'm as True and as Blue as many people, but
it sounds like aus.culture.true-blue is actually about something else.

You see Neddeth, my question is about why the topic got snipped. I
am now more interested than ever.

JS.
Ned Latham
2004-10-27 23:44:35 UTC
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Post by James Smythe
Post by Ned Latham
Post by James Smythe
Why did discussion of Freemasonry get the snip from Mr Neddeth Laytham?
Ned is a prolific, and one might say profligate snipper. He
determines what should appear in aus.culture.true-blue as if
it were a private newsgroup.
That's a lie. You know full well I base my opinion of what's
relevant to act-b on the act-b Charter.
Fair enough, but I didn't think it was a moderated group.
It's not. That's why I tell people their posts are irrelevant
instead of a moderator bouncing them.
Post by James Smythe
Why, however, is the topic not relevant to the group?
Read the True Blue FAQ, referenced in my .sig, below. In it you'll
find a reference to the act-b FAQ. Read that too: it contains the
act-b Charter.
Post by James Smythe
It sounds quite relevant to me, and the Subject refers specifically
to True Blue Culture, even contrasting it with Stupidity of Australians.
Uttering the term "True Blue" doesn't make the post relevant to act-b
any more than uttering the word "motorcycles" would make it relevant
to aus.motorcycles.

Neither does repeating questions already answered make your post
relevant. You've already been told that Masonry is irrelevant to
True Blue, that Oz is multicultured, that True Blue is a unifying
culture, and where to find the relevant FAQs. Your questions and
comments snipped below are at best dishonest.

----snip----

The message you followed up wasn't posted into act-b. As well, the
act-b Charter explicitly speaks against crossposting and requests
that crossposted messages be ignored or the crossposting removed
when replying.

But you *added* act-b to the crossposting. Are you trying to be
a troll?

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James Smythe
2004-10-28 09:05:59 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by James Smythe
Why, however, is the topic not relevant to the group?
Read the True Blue FAQ, referenced in my .sig, below. In it you'll
find a reference to the act-b FAQ. Read that too: it contains the
act-b Charter.
OK. I didn't notice. In fact, "True Blue FAQ: <***@arthur.valhalla.oz>"
doesn't look like a URL to me! But what would I know?
Post by Ned Latham
Neither does repeating questions already answered make your post
relevant. You've already been told that Masonry is irrelevant to
True Blue, that Oz is multicultured, that True Blue is a unifying
culture, and where to find the relevant FAQs. Your questions and
comments snipped below are at best dishonest.
----snip----
----snap----

I fail to find your assertions convincing, or anything like a coherent
justification. You are just an evasive turkey Neddeth. Living in your
own land of delusions.
Post by Ned Latham
But you *added* act-b to the crossposting. Are you trying to be
a troll?
I must be.

JS.
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fasgnadh
2004-10-28 09:32:20 UTC
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Post by James Smythe
Post by Ned Latham
Read the True Blue FAQ,
The original official true-blue FAQ was published on
4th Jul 2000 and can be found at the true-blue's website;

http://www.geocities.com/fairdinkum_trueblue/faq.html
Post by James Smythe
doesn't look like a URL to me! But what would I know?
Well spotted. After Ned and his One Nation cronies
lost the vote in which they attempted to gain control of the
NG, and restrict who could post and what they could say,
his mates all slunk off, leaving Ned to invent his
Nedlish Faux Fack! It is loosley based on some xenophobic
drivel by Nev Duguid, the only PHONie even more stupid than Ned.

Ned has spent his life creating such props for his delusion
that he is talking to more than himself.
Post by James Smythe
----snap----
I fail to find your assertions convincing, or anything like a coherent
justification.
You are not alone. ;-)

Ned seeks to so pollute the NG with his noise, than no-one
will bother with it. He has been unsuccessful, and so he posts
bogus stats in which he deletes those posters he doesn't approve of! B^D


He is a complete moral defective, having once slandered
a bloke in 300 posts, harangued and defamed his name,
and then linked to a picture of the mans kids in a clear
cyberstalking attempt to intimidate him.

(google for "Larry Cook" author Ned Latham)
Post by James Smythe
You are just an evasive turkey Neddeth.
Mad as a cut snake, but fun to have around.

Because he is such an immoral slug, no one
feels any remorse at humilitiating him mercilessly.
Post by James Smythe
Living in your own land of delusions.
Ned has autobiographical Facks in which Ned quotes Ned affirming
Ned's rightness, ... very convincing! B^D


___________

'Tis strange that in a land so strong,
So strong and bold in mighty youth,
We have no poet's voice of truth
To sing for us a wondrous song.

- Banjo Patterson
"Song of the Future"
James Smythe
2004-10-28 09:54:31 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by James Smythe
Post by Ned Latham
Read the True Blue FAQ,
The original official true-blue FAQ was published on
4th Jul 2000 and can be found at the true-blue's website;
http://www.geocities.com/fairdinkum_trueblue/faq.html
Post by James Smythe
doesn't look like a URL to me! But what would I know?
Well spotted. After Ned and his One Nation cronies
lost the vote in which they attempted to gain control of the
NG, and restrict who could post and what they could say,
his mates all slunk off, leaving Ned to invent his
Nedlish Faux Fack! It is loosley based on some xenophobic
drivel by Nev Duguid, the only PHONie even more stupid than Ned.
Ned has spent his life creating such props for his delusion
that he is talking to more than himself.
At last, an intelligent person in this newsgroup. I wonder if the rest are
beyond salvation. Pauline van Hansen has a lot to answer for. Do they
fantasise about her in the wee small hours.

Mr fasgnadh probably doesn't care (masturbation being a harmless
activity, usually), but the same can't be said for racist bigotry paraded
as culture, and embedded in incarnate fear of weakminded morons...
Post by fasgnadh
Post by James Smythe
I fail to find your assertions convincing, or anything like a coherent
justification.
You are not alone. ;-)
Ned seeks to so pollute the NG with his noise, than no-one
will bother with it. He has been unsuccessful, and so he posts
bogus stats in which he deletes those posters he doesn't approve of! B^D
He is a complete moral defective, having once slandered
a bloke in 300 posts, harangued and defamed his name,
and then linked to a picture of the mans kids in a clear
cyberstalking attempt to intimidate him.
(google for "Larry Cook" author Ned Latham)
OK. Thank you.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by James Smythe
You are just an evasive turkey Neddeth.
Mad as a cut snake, but fun to have around.
Because he is such an immoral slug, no one
feels any remorse at humilitiating him mercilessly.
I expect he is mindful but (as you say) an immoral slug.

But recall Mr fasgnadh that there are many kinds of madness. Cut
snakes are just a little cranky.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by James Smythe
Living in your own land of delusions.
Ned has autobiographical Facks in which Ned quotes Ned affirming
Ned's rightness, ... very convincing! B^D
Legend in his own mind, then?
Post by fasgnadh
___________
'Tis strange that in a land so strong,
So strong and bold in mighty youth,
We have no poet's voice of truth
To sing for us a wondrous song.
- Banjo Patterson
"Song of the Future"
Thanks for that. AB would have detected Neddeth as what he is. A colourless
character wishing to run the roost.

JS.
Ned Latham
2004-10-29 23:20:44 UTC
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"James Smythe" wrote in <rl3gd.1669$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

A feeble suckup to the lunatic. Nothing relevant to act-b.

Piss off, troll.

----snip----

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James Smythe
2004-10-28 10:02:18 UTC
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"fasgnadh" <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote

["Snip" as bent pencil dick are known to insist upon. Actually I just wanted
to make an unassociated comment].

I didn't understand what Mr Addinall meant when he mentioned Nedlish.

Now I get it. Neddeth referred to True Blue Culture as Unifying.

But in normal English this meant exclusivist bigotry. Ie, Conformity to an
outdated myth (or else you get snipped).

Spin, spin, pisn, pins, ispn, psin, nips, ...

JS.
fasgnadh
2004-10-28 13:41:08 UTC
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Post by James Smythe
["Snip" as bent pencil dick are known to insist upon. Actually I just wanted
to make an unassociated comment].
I didn't understand what Mr Addinall meant when he mentioned Nedlish.
Now I get it. Neddeth referred to True Blue Culture as Unifying.
But in normal English this meant exclusivist bigotry. Ie, Conformity to an
outdated myth (or else you get snipped).
Spin, spin, pisn, pins, ispn, psin, nips, ...
JS.
Ned's psychosis goes a little deeper than that, he
suffers from advanced Humpty Dumptyism "Words mean
what I want them to mean" B^)

Part of his reactionary assault on the tolerant
multicultural society of which true-blues are so proud
is his argument that there was once a Golden Era
(approximating to teh White Australia Policy (sic))
before what he refers to as the evils of "Multikulture".

When it was pointed out to him that Australia has always
had many (multi) cultures (Indigenous/Islander/Irish/
English/Scots/Welsh/Afghan/Chinese, or that even pre- European
settlement there were many Aboriginal tribes and diverse
cultural groups) Ned was faced with a dilemma. How could
he pretend there was a monocultural Golden Age which was
smashed by the 'political invention of multiculturalism'
if we had been multicultural since the Dreamtime! B^D


Ned's solution? He denies that the term multicultural
can be applied to early Australia, and substitutes the
classic, if ugly, Nedlish invention "multicultured",
insisting that, despite it never being used in any
historical reference, it alone is a valid descriptor. B^D

Ned, when cornered in an argument, simply seeks to redefine
common english terms so that he 'wins' in his own mind.

When people mocked his invention of the Nedlish

multiculturatedneoprotopsuedodisestablishmentarianism

Ned searched the net to find two disparate references to 'prove'
he wansn't making it up. One usage was by a conceptual artist,
the other by a writer who used it to refer to bi-lingual students! B^D

There are no limits to how far he will go to sustain his fantasy.

And on the basis of that self-delusion, he considers himself to
be Lord High Arbiter of what gets posted! B^D

That's how he came to be elected as aus.culture.true-blue's
inaugeral Net Kook of The Year, an honour he shares with
the aus.politics NKOTY, Mosley. They are bookends
on the shelf of flakey fuckwits.

http://www.geocities.com/aus_culture_trueblue_moderator/actb_nkoty_2004.html
James Smythe
2004-10-28 23:24:25 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by James Smythe
["Snip" as bent pencil dick are known to insist upon. Actually I just wanted
to make an unassociated comment].
I didn't understand what Mr Addinall meant when he mentioned Nedlish.
Now I get it. Neddeth referred to True Blue Culture as Unifying.
But in normal English this meant exclusivist bigotry. Ie, Conformity to an
outdated myth (or else you get snipped).
Spin, spin, pisn, pins, ispn, psin, nips, ...
JS.
Ned's psychosis goes a little deeper than that, he
suffers from advanced Humpty Dumptyism "Words mean
what I want them to mean" B^)
Thought so. Any idea why he's so bitter and twisted?

JS.
Ned Latham
2004-10-29 23:33:52 UTC
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"James Smythe" wrote in <Jcfgd.2187$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

A feeble effort with Stupid Troll Trick 2a. Nothing relevant to act-b.

Piss off, troll.

----snip----

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Ned Latham
2004-10-29 23:24:13 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by James Smythe
["Snip" as bent pencil dick are known to insist upon. Actually I just wanted
to make an unassociated comment].
I didn't understand what Mr Addinall meant when he mentioned Nedlish.
Now I get it. Neddeth referred to True Blue Culture as Unifying.
But in normal English this meant exclusivist bigotry. Ie, Conformity to an
outdated myth (or else you get snipped).
Spin, spin, pisn, pins, ispn, psin, nips, ...
JS.
Ned's psychosis goes a little deeper than that, he
suffers from advanced Humpty Dumptyism "Words mean
what I want them to mean")
That's a lie. I use English, as opposed to the redefined
bullshit Guano and his ilk use for their propaganda.
Post by fasgnadh
Part of his reactionary assault on the tolerant
multicultural society
There's no such thing, lunatic. Multiculturalism pays lip service to
the smarmy "tolerance" it preaches, but like all social engineering
doctrines, it's INtolerant, as its need to be supported with thought-
crime legislation and its dependency on lies and on demonizing our
history show.
Post by fasgnadh
of which true-blues are so proud
You wouldn't know what we're proud of, maggot.
Post by fasgnadh
is his argument that there was once a Golden Era
That's a lie. I've never postulated any such thing.
Post by fasgnadh
(approximating to teh White Australia Policy (sic))
before what he refers to as the evils of "Multikulture".
Wrong again, lunatic. I parody your stalinist balkanizing
doctrine as "your filthy Multikultur".
Post by fasgnadh
When it was pointed out to him that Australia has always
had many (multi) cultures (Indigenous/Islander/Irish/
English/Scots/Welsh/Afghan/Chinese, or that even pre- European
settlement there were many Aboriginal tribes and diverse
cultural groups) Ned was faced with a dilemma.
That's a lie. I have always acknowledged that Australia is
multicultured.
Post by fasgnadh
How could
he pretend there was a monocultural Golden Age
Hey, yours is the pretence, lunatic.
Post by fasgnadh
which was
smashed by the 'political invention of multiculturalism'
if we had been multicultural since the Dreamtime!
We haven't. Multiculturalism wasn't invented until the
second half of the twentieth century.

Moreover, Australia didn't exist as a nation until the beginning
of the twentieth century, and didn't exist as an ideal until
the nineteenth.

The continent that now bears the name "Australia", however,
has been multicultured for millennia.
Post by fasgnadh
Ned's solution? He denies that the term multicultural
can be applied to early Australia,
Of course. It's a lie. I contest your attempts to insinuate
by its use that your filthy Multikultur existed back then.
Post by fasgnadh
and substitutes the
classic, if ugly, Nedlish invention "multicultured",
ROTFL! I contrast the elegance of the word "multicultured" with
the clumsiness of the term "demographic multiculturalism". Is
there any way you can escape being derivative, Guano?
Post by fasgnadh
insisting that, despite it never being used in any
historical reference,
Aw, you poor sook. Still trying to weasel away from the fact
that I've proven its use in literature, both fictional and
academic, and in journalism, and in goverment pamphlets?

With a pathetic claim that it hasn't been used in a *historical*
reference? What next, lunatic? That there's no reference to it
in nuclear physics?

Get back on your medication, freak.
Post by fasgnadh
it alone is a valid descriptor.
Wrong again, lunatic. I merely refuse to accept your propaganda
technique of using an ambiguous term in preference to a precise
one.
Post by fasgnadh
Ned, when cornered in an argument, simply seeks to redefine
common english terms so that he 'wins' in his own mind.
Guano, when cornered by facts, resorts to lies.
Post by fasgnadh
When people
Guano. And the Voices in his head? Is that how he gets "people"?
Post by fasgnadh
mocked his invention of the Nedlish
multiculturatedneoprotopsuedodisestablishmentarianism
I laughed at the idiot for letting his epilepsy dictate his
typing.
Post by fasgnadh
Ned searched the net to find two disparate references
Wrong again, liar. I quoted its use in fiction. When you
tried to reject that, I referred to an academic use. When
that turned out to insufficient to stop your insane ranting,
I pointed to further references: in academia, in journalism,
and even in government pamphlets. Your campaign against
precise expression of concepts might seem in your pointy
little head to be a success, but its not working on me.

"Multicultured" is part of the language, and it has meanings
associated *only* with multiplicity of cultures. "Multiculral"
has meanings associated with your filthy Multikultur as well
as with multiplicity of cultures, and is therefore ambiguous.

Which, of course, is the reason you're so frantic to persuade
people against using "multicultured". Precision would stop your
propaganda in its tracks.
Post by fasgnadh
to 'prove'
he wansn't making it up.
Why the quote marks around "prove", lunatic? You trying to insinuate
that all those uses I evidenced are anything *other* than proof I
didn't coin the word?
Post by fasgnadh
One usage was by a conceptual artist,
the other by a writer who used it to refer to bi-lingual students!
Yair. Students brought up in foreign cultures, and whose mother
tongue wasn't English.
Post by fasgnadh
There are no limits to how far he will go to sustain his fantasy.
The lunatic's projecting again.
Post by fasgnadh
And on the basis of that self-delusion, he considers himself to
be Lord High Arbiter of what gets posted!
Wrong again, lunatic. You can post whatever lunacies you like.
But if you attack True Blue, or True Blues, or act-b, I *will*
contest your shit. And if you post irrelevantly in act-b, I'll
say so.

You get to live with that, lunatic.
Post by fasgnadh
That's how he came to be elected as aus.culture.true-blue's
inaugeral Net Kook of The Year,
Pffft.

Nominated by: Peter Wicks (aka "fasgnadh").
Seconded by: Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guano").
Voted for by: Peter Wicks (aka ... many other aliases).
Poll conducted by: Peter Wicks.
Vote counted by: Peter Wicks.
Other nominee: Peter Wicks.
Other nomination ignored by: Peter Wicks.
Other seconding ignored by: Peter Wicks.
Votes for other nominee ignored by: Peter Wicks.

+++

Oh, and... your slanders are not relevant to act-b.

Piss off, troll.

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Ned Latham
2004-10-29 23:21:22 UTC
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"James Smythe" wrote in <Ks3gd.1690$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

----snip----
Post by James Smythe
I didn't understand what Mr Addinall meant when he mentioned Nedlish.
Now I get it. Neddeth referred to True Blue Culture as Unifying.
But in normal English this meant exclusivist bigotry.
So you unify people by excluding them?

Get your hand off it, lunatic.

----snip----

Oh, and.. your petty personal attacks aren't relevant to act-b.

Piss off, troll.

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Ned Latham
2004-10-29 23:20:07 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by James Smythe
Post by Ned Latham
Read the True Blue FAQ,
The original official true-blue FAQ was published on
4th Jul 2000 and can be found at the true-blue's website;
Wrong again, liar. Your defamatory bullshit is no FAQ, is
not original and is not official. Moreover, your sleazy
website is neither True Blue nor true blue.

The True Blue FAQ, written by Lisa Baker, the proponent of
act-b, can be found as updated by Neville Duguid in message
<1fsnsw1.1i7rkxbve9d4uN%***@bigpond.net.au>

----false advertsiment snipped----
Post by fasgnadh
Post by James Smythe
doesn't look like a URL to me! But what would I know?
Well spotted.
ROTFL! He can see that a message ID isn't a URL, so "well spotted"?
Get your hand off his dick, loser.
Post by fasgnadh
After Ned and his One Nation cronies
lost the vote in which they attempted to gain control of the
NG,
Translation: after the True Blue's moderation proposal was
defeated by the One Nation reject, Peter Wicks, and his
cronies, among whom were three One Nation members, Scott
Steel, Brian Ross and Tony Hancock...
Post by fasgnadh
and restrict who could post and what they could say,
Translation: remove the lies, filth, defamations and irrelevancies
being posted into the group...
Post by fasgnadh
his mates all slunk off, leaving Ned to invent his
Nedlish Faux Fack!
Can't you do better than Stupid Troll Trick 2a, Guano? As the Che
Post by fasgnadh
* 4.1. Why don't you just ignore him or killfile him?
*
* ...
*
* The trolls were numerous
* but now the only one left is Guano. He does manage to drag
* in a new sockpuppet once in a while, but they usually drop
* out pretty quickly.
It is loosley based on some xenophobic
drivel by Nev Duguid, the only PHONie even more stupid than Ned.
Feel free to show something you think might pass as evidence of
that, liar.

See, for example, if you can show where where he, or anyone else, for
that matter, could have given me the idea of Strine's uniqueness in
coverage. See if you can show where anyone might have beaten me to
the punch in showing (proving!) that the Australian historical record
is basically and fundamentally flawed. See if you can find anywhere
that I could have derived the idea that True Blue's prime cultural
imperative is a development based on the survival imperative.

But first, take your medication.
Post by fasgnadh
Ned has spent his life creating such props for his delusion
that he is talking to more than himself.
* 2.11. Why do you call him a lunatic?
*
* He shows signs of paranoid schizophrenia: his posts are
* frequently self-referential, some with delusional boasts
* of what he thinks is grandeur and/or complaints of
* persecution; he attributes others' virtues to himself and
* projects his own villainies onto others; ...
Post by James Smythe
I fail to find your assertions convincing, or anything like a coherent
justification.
You are not alone.
...either in stupidity or mendacity.
Post by fasgnadh
Ned seeks to so pollute the NG with his noise,
That's why I direct most of my anti-troll posts *out* of the group?
Post by fasgnadh
than no-one
will bother with it.
On the contrary: if it can be cleaned of the defilement you and your
ilk push in, sincere posters will be able to discuss True Blue and
matters relevant to it without harassment from lunatics. That's made
perfectly clear by your absence between 1 and 25 January this year,
the only period in the newsgroup's history when all you Australophobic
trolls have been absent. It provides a clear demonstration that act-b
is, with your hate campaign out of the picture, both a viable newsgroup
and a clean, quiet and sane environment for cultural discourse.
Post by fasgnadh
He has been unsuccessful,
I'm contesting the mendacity, malice and vindictiveness of an
obsessed lunatic. Maybe if the men in white coats can find him...
Post by fasgnadh
and so he posts
bogus stats
Funny how they so eerily echo what you can get from google.
Post by fasgnadh
in which he deletes those posters he doesn't approve of!
Translation: unmasks aliases.
Post by fasgnadh
He is a complete moral defective,
* 2.11. Why do you call him a lunatic?
*
* He shows signs of paranoid schizophrenia: his posts are
* frequently self-referential, some with delusional boasts
* of what he thinks is grandeur and/or complaints of
* persecution; he attributes others' virtues to himself and
* projects his own villainies onto others; ...
having once slandered
a bloke in 300 posts,
And the mad dog returns to its vomit yet again. I misidentified
Guano by the guy's name in the attribution lines. At all times
Guano was addressed within the body of the posts by one or another
of the aliases well known as his.
Post by fasgnadh
harangued and defamed his name,
and then linked to a picture of the mans kids in a clear
cyberstalking attempt to intimidate him.
That, as the Che Guano FAQ points out, is paranoid raving at best,
more likely wilful defamation: it's a repeatedly disproven set of
lies. See:

Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh") makes false accusation - 0008.
Message-ID: <***@arthur.valhalla.net.oz>

and

Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh") makes false accusation - 0010.
Post by fasgnadh
(google for "Larry Cook" author Ned Latham)
Post by James Smythe
You are just an evasive turkey Neddeth.
Mad as a cut snake,
Can't you do better than Stupid Troll Trick 2a, Guano? As the
Post by fasgnadh
* 2.11. Why do you call him a lunatic?
*
* He shows signs of paranoid schizophrenia: ...
*
* His posts indicate that his contact with reality is
* tenuous. ...
*
* In sum, he's as mad as a cut snake.
but fun to have around.
That's why you "ignore" my posts until you see something that
you think you can attack without getting egg on your face?

Wanna have another go at making fun of my statement that Unix
began as a single-user OS?
Post by fasgnadh
Because he is such an immoral slug, no one
feels any remorse at humilitiating him mercilessly.
* 2.3. Why do you call him a pathological liar?
*
* He doesn't just lie: he lies so often it beggars belief.
* He lies about himself, about True Blue, about everyone
* he considers an enemy... rather stupidly, he lies about
* history and the content of posts to Usenet... He even
* manages to lie with statements of fact.
*
* ...
Post by James Smythe
Living in your own land of delusions.
Ned has autobiographical Facks in which Ned quotes Ned affirming
Ned's rightness, ... very convincing!
The lunatic's in denial again. Can't handle the truth about himself;
can't excuse it; can't or won't change his ways and start behaving like
a decent human being... so he tries to pretend that it's not about him.

Get back on your medication, freak.

----posturing over Banjo snipped----

Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-10-29 23:19:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by James Smythe
Post by Ned Latham
Post by James Smythe
Why, however, is the topic not relevant to the group?
Read the True Blue FAQ, referenced in my .sig, below. In it you'll
find a reference to the act-b FAQ. Read that too: it contains the
act-b Charter.
doesn't look like a URL to me! But what would I know?
It's not a URL, it's a message ID. This is Usenet, not the web.
Post by James Smythe
Post by Ned Latham
Neither does repeating questions already answered make your post
relevant. You've already been told that Masonry is irrelevant to
True Blue, that Oz is multicultured, that True Blue is a unifying
culture, and where to find the relevant FAQs. Your questions and
comments snipped below are at best dishonest.
----snap----
I fail to find your assertions convincing, or anything like a coherent
justification. You are just an evasive turkey Neddeth. Living in your
own land of delusions.
You fail. Or so you say.

You've already been told that Masonry is irrelevant to True Blue:
message <***@arthur.valhalla.oz>;

You've already been told that Oz is multicultured:
message <***@arthur.valhalla.oz>;

You've already been told that True Blue is a unifying culture:
message <***@arthur.valhalla.oz>;

You've already been told where to find the relevant FAQs:
message <***@arthur.valhalla.oz>.

Your questions and comments ignored the information you'd been given.
They were dishonest (at best).
Post by James Smythe
* The message you followed up wasn't posted into act-b. As well, the
* act-b Charter explicitly speaks against crossposting and requests
* that crossposted messages be ignored or the crossposting removed
* when replying.
*
Post by Ned Latham
But you *added* act-b to the crossposting. Are you trying to be
a troll?
I must be.
You behave like a troll, and when the troll behaviour is pointed out
you give neither reason nor excuse and you persist in it.

You're a troll.

Piss off, troll.

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James (Troll) Smythe
2004-10-30 09:05:09 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by James Smythe
I fail to find your assertions convincing, or anything like a coherent
justification. You are just an evasive turkey Neddeth. Living in your
own land of delusions.
You fail. Or so you say.
What utter mindless piffle.

Neddeth's ENTIRE contributions concerning "Masonry is irrelevant to True Blue" was:

" Nothing relevant to act-b.

"----snip----"


If that is convincing of anything, then I have failed to get it.

I am a reasonable person. I am an everyman (in the sense of "I've been everywhere,
man", at least), and I think Neddeth is just piss weak.

Mason's 1, Neddeth 0.

JS.
Cate McKew
2004-10-30 10:25:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by James (Troll) Smythe
Post by Ned Latham
Post by James Smythe
I fail to find your assertions convincing, or anything like a coherent
justification. You are just an evasive turkey Neddeth. Living in your
own land of delusions.
You fail. Or so you say.
What utter mindless piffle.
Don't been so mindless, Jimmy!

If some unknown knocked on your door and asked you to defend yourself against
an accusation of being a "Mason" (or a "Mormom" or in "Al Qaeda" or even "when
did you stop beating your wife") what would YOU do?

Neddy is merely *reacting* to a walk-by threat. If there is substance in what you
ask, why not frame it in acceptable terms and make it an inquiry rather than a bit
trolling and whimsy. [Ie, grow up].
Post by James (Troll) Smythe
Mason's 1, Neddeth 0.
It seems to me that the spectators are trying to accumulate SCORES for themselves
by chopping down fairly dwalved and spindly poppies.

Yours, Cate.

PS: I'm BACK. [Natives quietened, for now].

PPS: Stop stuffing with Reply-To lines and other nasties. It's childish!
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:49:17 UTC
Permalink
"Cate McKew" wrote in <b_Jgd.3782$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

----snip----
Post by Cate McKew
Neddy is merely *reacting* to a walk-by threat.
There's nothing "walk-by" about those trolls. The history of act-b
shows that they park if not repulsed.

----snip----

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Mark Addinall
2004-11-02 04:54:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ned Latham
----snip----
Post by Cate McKew
Neddy is merely *reacting* to a walk-by threat.
There's nothing "walk-by" about those trolls. The history of act-b
shows that they park if not repulsed.
Well, you are pretty repulsive.

Mark (true-blue) Addinall.
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:48:46 UTC
Permalink
* > >
* > > Neither does repeating questions already answered make your post
* > > relevant. You've already been told that Masonry is irrelevant to
* > > True Blue, that Oz is multicultured, that True Blue is a unifying
* > > culture, and where to find the relevant FAQs. Your questions and
* > > comments snipped below are at best dishonest.
Post by Ned Latham
Post by James Smythe
I fail to find your assertions convincing, or anything like a
coherent justification. You are just an evasive turkey Neddeth.
Living in your own land of delusions.
You fail. Or so you say.
*
*
*
*
* Your questions and comments ignored the information you'd been given.
* They were dishonest (at best).
What utter mindless piffle.
" Nothing relevant to act-b.
Wrong again, liar. I also called the OP "crackpot religious tripe":
message <***@arthur.valhalla.oz>.

"Nothing relevant to act-b" is a succinct factual statement.
You get to live with that, troll.

Observe that I've restored the text you surreptitiously snipped in
your effort to evade the sense of what I said. You also get to live
with that response to evasions, troll.

----snip----

The message you followed up was posted into aus.pol and aus.flame only,
troll. So why did you add three other newsgroups to the header, troll?

Oh, that's right: you're a troll.

Piss off, troll.

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Ned Latham
2004-10-29 23:24:49 UTC
Permalink
Peter Wicks (aka ("Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote
in <***@yahoo.com.au>:

Another feeble attempt at slander. Nothing relevant to act-b.

Piss off, troll.

----snip----

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Ned Latham
2004-10-27 12:33:03 UTC
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"Dr Krohn" wrote in <***@uni-berlin.de>:

Some crackpot religious tripe. Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-10-24 23:49:02 UTC
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"Eileen O'Connor" wrote in <***@uni-berlin.de>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-10-24 23:39:05 UTC
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"Ernest" wrote in <***@4ax.com>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

Ned
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Scott Hillard
2004-10-30 10:15:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ernest
Oh forgot to mention that in the medieval times
many churches and govt building were built by
freemasons
Stonemasons, not Feemasons.
Cate McKew
2004-10-30 10:27:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scott Hillard
Post by Ernest
Oh forgot to mention that in the medieval times
many churches and govt building were built by
freemasons
Stonemasons, not Feemasons.
Scott Hillard!

Haven't seen a posting with that name on it for a while.

Usually makes sense! [But sense in a vacuum?]

Cate.
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:46:02 UTC
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Cate McKew wrote in <i0Kgd.3789$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:45:28 UTC
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Scott Hillard wrote in <jRJgd.483$***@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

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Ned Latham
2004-10-24 23:37:28 UTC
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"Dean Turner" wrote in <cQied.35858$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b in response to a post that had no relevance
to act-b in a thread that has no relevance to act-b.

Yet he trimmed the Newsgroups header of all groups *but* act-b.

Piss off, troll.

----snip----

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Moses Lim
2004-10-22 13:48:58 UTC
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Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
u r kidding, right? :)
Ned Latham
2004-10-23 01:57:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moses Lim
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
u r kidding, right? :)
More likely, he's trolling.

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James Smythe
2004-10-23 01:20:16 UTC
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Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as
they have none.
Freemasons claim that they are masons (stonebuilders).
<snip>

Drivel! Why not pick on some REAL secret and influential groups. Consider
the Second (and even Third) Degree Rotarians, the Scout GrandMaster,
ex-Police Officers, the guys that say in the pub after you leave, and after
the bar has closed...

And anything called a ThinkTank. And Gerard and Anne Henderson. And
anyone who doesn't have ANY fridge magnets (never trust a naked fridge).

Freemasons are pussies. Co-Freemasons are something different. At least
they give head in their initiations...

JS.
Ned Latham
2004-10-23 01:56:31 UTC
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"Ben Jimmie" wrote in <***@uni-berlin.de>:

Some crackpot religious tripe. Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

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Rod Speed
2004-10-23 06:06:24 UTC
Permalink
Wot I wanna know is whether woman mason is a masonette ?
Post by Ben Jimmie
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge as
they have none.
Freemasons claim that they are masons (stonebuilders).
I am still waiting to meet one who is able to build anything using stones.
Let me know just one name of living Freemason who was involved in building
anything and that is documented (churches or other significant building only
counts).
How many old churches or historic building are actually build by freemasons?
NONE !!!
There is no any masonic sign anywhere on any significant building anywhere in
the world !!!
They are cheat and liars.
They sat they accept members who believe in some kind of God because they
calculate it would be easier to convert someone who believe in something which
can not be seen. They exploit common trust and religious believes of naive or
stupid people to produce liars, conspirators and murderers and rule the world
through network of corrupted politicians, policemen, army officers, lawyers
and politicians. Members of those professions promise to obey the law of the
country but they do not as masonic rules prevent them of being loyal citizens
as they have to obey only orders from other freemasons.
Country which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not a
democratic country.
Religion which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not a
religion but a satanic cult as freemasons worship Lucifer.
If I say that I am a doctor or priest, I may be arrested.
All freemasons should be treated the same - please go to Police and request
arrest of liars.
Everyone knows that they are "invented" in 18th Century.
Masons even claim that they built pyramids, although it's hard to find Mason
capable of building a small home barbeque from few bricks.
They invented secrets because they know they are cheat.
It is hard to believe that in 21st Century some idiots believe in freemasonism
and this is tolerated in our modern society.
**** this is posted to help existing freemasons to save their soul. This is
your last chance to rebuke satanism and find real God.
James Smythe
2004-10-23 06:43:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Speed
Wot I wanna know is whether woman mason is a masonette ?
There is Co-Freemasonry where males and females join, but I don't know whether they stab the females in the left tit or the right tit (or not at all).

There is a branch of Co-Freemasonry very close to Mortuary station, and the Hellfire Club (Chippendale, Sydney). I've never seen anyone lurking there, clothed, or without daks, or standing or one leg, or anything else unusual (but it is a weird neighbourhood).

I recall a late night drinking conversation with the uncle of a friend that Anglican regalia was inspired by the Masonic regalia, partly to incite the Catholics.

There was also an "Order of Knights" for younger males in some of the protestant denominations. Anyone know if it's still about?

JS.
Ernest
2004-10-24 08:26:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by James Smythe
Post by Rod Speed
Wot I wanna know is whether woman mason is a masonette ?
There is Co-Freemasonry where males and females join, but I don't know whether they stab the females in the left tit or the right tit (or not at all).
There is a branch of Co-Freemasonry very close to Mortuary station, and the Hellfire Club (Chippendale, Sydney). I've never seen anyone lurking there, clothed, or without daks, or standing or one leg, or anything else unusual (but it is a weird neighbourhood).
I recall a late night drinking conversation with the uncle of a friend that Anglican regalia was inspired by the Masonic regalia, partly to incite the Catholics.
There was also an "Order of Knights" for younger males in some of the protestant denominations. Anyone know if it's still about?
JS.
Methodists used to have the 'Order of Knights' and last I heard,
a few decades back, it still existed.


TW Googled for Freemasons and found more bullshit than trutth
but also found this web page that says it all:

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~davidc1/nonmas.htm

and

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~davidc1/talknon.htm

with thia about women

"Let us turn to the issue of sex. We do not admit females to our
ceremonies - that is a bald fact. There are, however, organizations
operating along Masonic lines specifically for women. Two of these
organizations are:

The Order of the Eastern Star, which caters for adult ladies, and
Job's Daughters, which caters for young ladies in their adolescent
years"


Deadly Ernest

@bywater.net.au

(my new keyboard, with small keys,
accepts full responsibility for all
typographical and spelling errors)
Ned Latham
2004-10-24 23:50:28 UTC
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"Ernest" wrote in <***@4ax.com>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

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Scott Hillard
2004-10-30 10:15:19 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
You find this works well, do you Ned?
Mark Addinall
2004-11-01 02:33:28 UTC
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Post by Scott Hillard
Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
You find this works well, do you Ned?
Careful bignose!

He's a legend in his own mind ;-)

Howareya Scott?

Mark Addinall
Jomer Simpson
2004-11-01 02:42:22 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
YES, it is. Masons and their intrigues are part of Australian culture.

Howard will never win election without masons and manipulating the votes,
bribing single mothers, destroying families through Centrelink policies and
even moving the borders of electorates according to voting statistics.
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 15:16:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jomer Simpson
Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
YES, it is. Masons and their intrigues are part of Australian culture.
Irrelevant. Act-b is about *one* particular culture among the very many
cultures in Australia, not "Australian culture" in general.

Read the True Blue FAQ (referenced in my .sig, below).

----irrelevant political shite snipped----

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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 15:16:00 UTC
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Muck Addinall, the last surviving specimen of Homo defectus, wrote
in <***@posting.google.com>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

The message you followed up wasn't posted into act-b, troll.
So why did you add act-b to the Newsgroups header?

Oh, that's right: you're a troll.

Newsgroups header trimmed yet again. Piss off, troll.

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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:50:07 UTC
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Post by Scott Hillard
Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
You find this works well, do you Ned?
No. But it works better than just letting the irrelevancies accumulate.
There *are* people out there who see the point of the Usenet hierarchy
and the value in posting to relevant newsgroups. There are even people
who see the value in not posting to IRrelevant newsgroups.

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Scott Hillard
2004-10-30 10:14:57 UTC
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Post by Ernest
Methodists used to have the 'Order of Knights' and last I heard,
a few decades back, it still existed.
There are numerous "orders of Knights" attached to Freemasonry, such as:

- Knights of the East and West
- Knights of the cross of Babylon
- Knights Templar (of course)
- Knights Kadosh

Etc.


Catholics have the "Knights of the Southern Cross", and of course the filthy
Knights of Malta - theiving Hospitalers who will get what is coming to them.
Plzen Brew
2004-10-30 11:50:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scott Hillard
Post by Ernest
Methodists used to have the 'Order of Knights' and last I heard,
a few decades back, it still existed.
- Knights of the East and West
- Knights of the cross of Babylon
- Knights Templar (of course)
- Knights Kadosh
Etc.
http://www.withoneaccord.org/store/SecretSins.html

10 Questions for a Mason who Thinks He is Christian

Secret Sins By William Schnoebelen


1. If Masonry is not a religion, why does it have all the trappings of
a religion?



Though Masons are told it is not a religion, that claim does not bear
close scrutiny. By any dictionary definition, Freemasonry has all the
distinctive qualities of a religion. It demands a belief in a Supreme Being
as a requirement for membership. It also has a chaplain, rituals of
initiation, prayers and funeral services and teaches a plan of salvation. It
also has an organized body of philosophical and ethical teachings. Thus,
Masonry is indeed a religion.



2. If it is a religion, which one is it?



First in concern, it is not the Christian religion. Masonic
authorities openly deny it is Christianity, (1) and this is further
evidenced by the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ is accorded no special
worship in the Lodge. He is presented as just one of many great sages and no
Mason is allowed to present Jesus to fellow Lodge members as Almighty God in
the flesh (1Timothy 3:15, John 1:14) or to witness Jesus to unsaved fellow
Masons. Beyond that, Masonry is alternately depicted (2) as a kind of
universalistic religion "upon which all men can agree." Universalism is a
theological doctrine holding that eventually all people will be saved.



This categorically means it cannot be Christian, for Jesus taught that
no one could be saved except through Him (John 14:6). The other face of
Masonry, seen in the writings of its greatest teachers (Pike, Mackey, Hall,
etc.). These men taught is that it is a modern revival of "ancient mystery
religions" (the worship of Baal) and that its core philosophy is Kabbalism,
a system of post-exilic Jewish occultism.(3) Stripped of all the verbiage,
this means that the philosophical core and pedigree of modern Freemasonry is
basically akin to that of witchcraft. (Both are called "the Craft").



3. Can a professed Christian be a part of a non-Christian religion?



Hopefully, this answer is self-evident. Jesus Himself warned that no
one can serve two masters (Matthew 6:24). Yet the Christian Mason is
attempting to serve his true Master, Jesus; and also the "Worshipful Master"
of the Lodge (Matthew 23:10). The Bible's message is clear. God does not
want his people trying to worship two different gods at the same time
(Exodus 20:3, 1 Kings 18:22). You cannot mingle Masonry and Christianity,
anymore than you could be a Christian Muslim or a Christian Hindu. (4) How
can you, as a follower of Jesus, be part of an institution that demands that
you break God's commandments?



Doubtless this question may shock most Masons. However, in several
obvious places, Masons are required to break the commandments of Jesus or
His Father. For example, Masons are required to swear blood oaths on the
Bible in the name of God, yet Jesus commanded His disciples never to swear
oaths (Matthew 5:34-37) and this command was repeated by James (James 5:12).
Should the Mason claim that the oaths are only "in fun" and not to be taken
seriously, then he has taken the name of the Lord in vain, another
commandment broken (Exodus 20:7). If he says the oaths are serious, then he
has violated the commandment which forbids murder by consenting with an oath
to his own murder (Exodus 20:13). Other commandments broken will be
mentioned below.



5. How can you ignore 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 by being "bound" to
countless nonbelievers and occultists who are Masons?



Though not widely known, some of the premiere witches and occultists
of this century were prominent Freemasons-both here and in England.(4) Their
names would include Aleister Crowley, Gerald Gardner and Alex Sanders.
Additionally, there are thousands of Masons of various other non-Christian
faiths (Judaism, Islam, etc.). Contrary to the command of 2 Corinthians 6
forbidding us to be "unequally yoked" to unbelievers, the Mason is bound by
a spiritual "tie" (5) to all other Masons, Christian or not. This is
mentioned in the first degree work in the context of removing the cabletow
from about the Initiate's neck. This bond is sealed with an oath in the name
of God. This is a clear violation of this commandment.



6. How can you be a part of an institution that makes you deny Jesus
within the First Degree?



The Bible teaches that when a person genuinely becomes Born Again, the
Lord Jesus comes in and takes residence within us. Bear this precious truth
in mind as you are reminded of this: at the door of the Lodge as an Entered
Apprentice candidate, the initiate is made to knock three times on the door
and then say in response to the challenge from within:



"Mr.______, who has long been in darkness now seeks to be brought to
light and receive a part in the rights and benefits of this worshipful
Lodge, erected to God and dedicated to the Holy Saints John as all brothers
and fellows have done before him." (6)



How can a genuine Christian agree that he has "long been in darkness"
when he has the Light of the World within him? How can he think that Masonry
can add anything to the light of Christ in whom are "hid all the treasures
of wisdom and knowledge" (Colossians 2:3) and in whom "all fullness dwells"
(Colossians 1:19)? Is this not denying Christ?



7. How can you be a part of an institution that does not acknowledge
Jesus as God and yet exalts a minor Bible character to be "the greatest
Mason, if not the greatest man, who ever lived"?



Freemasonry, as a matter of official policy, does not acknowledge the
unique claims of Jesus.(7) This would destroy their universalistic religion
which claims that all religionists are welcome at the altar of Masonry.
However, the Bible makes clear that Jesus' name is above every other name
(Philippians 2:9, Ephesians 1:21) and that without confessing Him as Lord no
one can be saved (John 14:6, Romans 10:9-13). Jesus Himself states that all
other religious leaders who came before him (Buddha, Zoroaster, etc.) were
"thieves and robbers." (John 10:8)



The Bible points to Jesus Christ! It is supposed to be one of the
"three great lights" of Masonry and the "rule and guide of our [the Masons']
faith" Yet this same Bible, which so lifts up the name of Jesus, barely
mentions the central figure of Masonic myth, Hiram Abiff. This obscure
craftsman, who is barely mentioned in the context of the building of
Solomon's
temple, is treated like a god-figure in Masonry. He is lionized above all
other men in the Old Testament and even made to be as great-or greater-than
Jesus. His murder by three ruffians before he could finish the work on the
temple is the center of the Masonic "mystery," and yet from the Bible's
perspective, it is a lie. The Bible clearly states that Hiram "made an end
of doing all the work that he made king Solomon for the house of the Lord."
(1 Kings 7:40)



8. How can you be a part of an institution that will not acknowledge
that Jesus rose from the dead and which conducts blasphemous parodies of the
Lord's Table?



Albert Pike, Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, wrote that Jesus'
bodily remains have now been reduced to dust motes in the earth that we eat
as they have been absorbed into the earth through the centuries. (8) The
Scottish rite ritual, the "Feast of the Paschal Lamb" also refuses to
acknowledge that Jesus rose from the dead. (9)



In the York Rite, a blasphemous parody of the Lord's Supper is
conducted as part of the Knight Templar degree in which the candidate is
made to stand before a sinister triangular table draped in black velvet and
illuminated by candles. In the center is a Bible atop which rests a human
skull. From this skull, the candidate takes "communion," swearing most
solemnly that if he ever breaks his oath, all his own sins and the sins of
the man from whose skull he is drinking will come back on his own head. (10)
Talk about crucifying the Son of God afresh and bringing Him to an open
shame (Hebrews 10:28-29)!



9. How can you be a part of an institution whose teachers proclaim
that it is descended from a fertility cult and that the god of Freemasonry
is the male reproductive organ?


Though this would shock most Masons, the fact is that the greatest
teachers of Masonry make it clear that the central symbol of deity in the
Lodge is the phallus or penis. (11) This is why so many Masonic memorials
(tombstones or the Washington monument) are, in fact, phallic symbols. This
is why the male genitals are "veiled" by the Masonic apron, just like a veil
covered the Holy of Holies in Solomon's temple. This is what the Letter G
stands for in Masonry; not for God or "Geometry" as the Fellowcraft is told
in the second degree lecture, but rather for the power of "Generativity" or
reproduction.



10. How many things have to be sinful about an institution before you,
as a Christian, need to separate yourself completely from it?



My brothers, this is but a brief list of things that most Masons
either know, or could readily find out. It is just that most Masons have
never bothered to put these things together because they were told that
Masonry was noble. Now you know these things, and how contrary they are to
the Bible. The answer to this question ought to be: only one! If even one of
these questions raises a valid secret sin within the Lodge, then that should
be reason enough to quit. This is just a men's club! Is it worth destroying
your testimony and your power as a Christian man? You need to get on your
knees right now and ask the Lord to forgive you for your involvement in the
Lodge and renounce it forever as a sin. Then you need to write a letter
requesting a demit from the Lodge. If you write to us, we can even provide
you with a sample letter. You must not delay. Remember Paul's words: "What
fellowship hath light with darkness?"



Endnotes:
1. Albert Mackey, 33°, Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, 1966, p.
618.

2. Albert Pike, 33°, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted
Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1966, , p. 226.

3. ibid., p. 389.

4. ibid., pp. 744, 771.

5. William Schnoebelen, Masonry: Beyond the Light, 1991, p. 204-205.

6. Duncan's Ritual Monitor, 1974, p.36.

7. ibid., p. 29.

8. Pike, p.525, also Henry Clausen, 33° , Practice and Procedure for
the Scottish Rite, 1981, pp. 75-77; R.S. Clymer, The Mysticism of Masonry,
1900, p. 47; and J.D. Buck, Symbolism of Mystic Masonry, 1925, p. 57; and
Manly P. Hall, 33°, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, 1976, p. 90-91.

9. Pike, p. 539.

10. Clausen, op. cit., pp. 75-77.

11. Illustrated Ritual of the Six Degrees of the Council and
Commandery, Charles Powner Co., 1975, p. 227-28.

12. Pike, p. 401; Albert Mackey, 33°, The Manual of the Lodge, 1870,
p. 156; and Mackey, Encyclopedia, p. 560.
Post by Scott Hillard
Post by Ernest
Can anyone post any proof about the ancient masonic history ?
My search of Internet didn't produce any valid results.
As all masons are ignorant they should learn and acquire some knowledge
as they have none.
Freemasons claim that they are masons (stonebuilders).
I am still waiting to meet one who is able to build anything using stones.
Let me know just one name of living Freemason who was involved in
building anything and that is documented (churches or other significant
building only counts).
How many old churches or historic building are actually build by freemasons?
NONE !!!
There is no any masonic sign anywhere on any significant building
anywhere in the world !!!
They are cheat and liars.
They sat they accept members who believe in some kind of God because they
calculate it would be easier to convert someone who believe in something
which can not be seen. They exploit common trust and religious believes
of naive or stupid people to produce liars, conspirators and murderers
and rule the world through network of corrupted politicians, policemen,
army officers, lawyers and politicians. Members of those professions
promise to obey the law of the country but they do not as masonic rules
prevent them of being loyal citizens as they have to obey only orders
from other freemasons.
Country which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not
a democratic country.
Religion which tolerate freemasons to practice their pagan rituals is not
a religion but a satanic cult as freemasons worship Lucifer.
If I say that I am a doctor or priest, I may be arrested.
All freemasons should be treated the same - please go to Police and
request arrest of liars.
Everyone knows that they are "invented" in 18th Century.
Masons even claim that they built pyramids, although it's hard to find
Mason capable of building a small home barbeque from few bricks.
They invented secrets because they know they are cheat.
It is hard to believe that in 21st Century some idiots believe in
freemasonism and this is tolerated in our modern society.
**** this is posted to help existing freemasons to save their soul. This
is your last chance to rebuke satanism and find real God.
Scott Hillard
2004-10-31 04:55:46 UTC
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Some gutless coward hiding behind the pissweak alais of
Post by Spam
Post by Scott Hillard
- Knights of the East and West
- Knights of the cross of Babylon
- Knights Templar (of course)
- Knights Kadosh
Etc.
http://www.withoneaccord.org/store/SecretSins.html
10 Questions for a Mason who Thinks He is Christian
Irrelevant, I'm a Mason who doesn't think he is a Christian.


Back under your bridge, wanker.
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:54:50 UTC
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Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Cyber Trekker
2004-10-31 05:04:13 UTC
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Post by Spam
10 Questions for a Mason who Thinks He is Christian
Secret Sins By William Schnoebelen
Do you truly think that Churchianity is real Christianity? Do you likewise
truly think that dogmatic Christianity is real Christianity? They are far
from it.
Cate McKew
2004-10-31 05:45:45 UTC
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Post by Cyber Trekker
Post by Spam
10 Questions for a Mason who Thinks He is Christian
Secret Sins By William Schnoebelen
Do you truly think that Churchianity is real Christianity? Do you likewise
truly think that dogmatic Christianity is real Christianity? They are far
from it.
"!?" as they say in chess.

Christianity is what Christians believe.

Being a Christian is determined by professing a specific _faith_ (ie, belief
without proof in the existence of Jesus Christ as the son of a monotheistic
diety - mysteriously identified as JVH of the Old Testament).

Related to that (almost by accident, but it is the accident that propagates the
message) is the history and structure of the church, the influence of dogma,
psychological vulnerability in the face of "death anxiety", "religious experience"
(a mental event well noted), various kinds of accession to the "truth" of the
messages in the bible, and even indoctrination of children and alienated adults.

Whether the _faith_ is genuine, is unknowable.

What is the real Christianity? The genuine article? I trust that each person should
make up their own minds. One thing is clear though: there is an awful lot of
unreal beliefs and behaviours out there that are decidedly unreal Christianity.
Bad News Bible...


Cate - Sister Superior...
Cyber Trekker
2004-10-31 06:16:04 UTC
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Post by Cate McKew
"!?" as they say in chess.
Christianity is what Christians believe.
Such is the conception applied to it by certain members of the human
species. Such, though, is a limited and distorted view of Christianity.
Dogmatic Christianity is not true Christianity anymore than dogmatic
science is real science. They may call themselves Christians, but their
conception thereof is found wanting. The conception is shallow, almost
lifeless and doesn't resemble the majesty and grandeur of the substantial.
The appeal to human concepts is the mark of the ignorant.

To know the real from the false is the mark of the wise. Few there are in
the modern world who are truly wise. Many there are, on the other hand,
who are intellectualists or have more or less intellectual leanings and
who erroneously equate intellectualism with that true knowledge of which
is derived from a state of real knowingness. These are the believers, not
the knowers.

The rest of the appeal to the vanity of human concepts and interpretations
is severely snipped.
Post by Cate McKew
Cate - Sister Superior...
I respectfully observe and suggest that a so-termed Sister Superior would
presumably be in the possession of superior and deeper knowledge, but such
is indeed misleading in this instance as it is in most instances.

Pax cultura.
Cate McKew
2004-10-31 06:41:24 UTC
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Post by Cyber Trekker
Post by Cate McKew
"!?" as they say in chess.
Christianity is what Christians believe.
Such is the conception applied to it by certain members of the human
species. ...
Speaking of dogmatism. Cyber Trekker should take a course of self study.
Post by Cyber Trekker
Post by Cate McKew
Cate - Sister Superior...
I respectfully observe and suggest that a so-termed Sister Superior would
presumably be in the possession of superior and deeper knowledge, but such
is indeed misleading in this instance as it is in most instances.
The superficial way to tell if someone is a Christian is that they say they are.
You cannot challenge that. They said it. They may be faking it. They may
be deluded in their belief about their faith. But they can claim it and they
can "swear by God" it, and they can act out the trappings (in the sense of
Church and communion and confession). It's not like saying "this is my
Tax File No." or " this is my Driver's licence".

And then there is the second way to tell.
Post by Cyber Trekker
Pax cultura.
Cate - Sister Superior.
Cyber Trekker
2004-10-31 08:14:21 UTC
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Post by Cate McKew
Speaking of dogmatism. Cyber Trekker should take a course of self study.
Those who know me along with the perceptive who have never personally met
me would realise that I am not in any shape or form dogmatic. Conversely,
the pseudo-intellectualist would charge me with being dogmatic, irrational
and unrealistic - especially those of whom retaliate after being
contradicted and maybe admonished. I am, therefore, unmoved by this false
allegation.

The study of self is a study beyond that of the personality, as the ancient
Greek philosophers could tell you. "Know Thy Self" was even inscribed on
the sanctuary of the Oracle of Delphi. Its meaning transcends that
attributed to it by the ignorant, the dogmatist and the worldly wise. It's
but dimly realised by certain psychologists and contemporary philosophers.
Post by Cate McKew
They may be deluded in their belief about their faith.
The faith of which Jesus spoke is not the blind faith outlived by the
ignorant and the self-deceived, rather is it that active and intelligent
faith that is derived from a knowingness of which originates from living
and experiencing that previously mentioned injunction to "Know Thy Self".
To know the Real from the unreal, the True from the false is to know that
Truth is not subservient to human concepts. The literal interpreters of
the sacred scriptures do not know it, even as those of whom adhere to
dogmatic science don't know what real science is. Human interpretations
and definitions are often way off the mark and unbelievably narrow-minded.
As Heraclitus wisely said, "Human opinions are toys for children."

The politics of religion is the same as the politics of politics itself and
of the politics of science. The similitude between them is indicative of
the human propensity to hold narrow viewpoints and to dogmatise to the nth
degree. The anti-Masons act from ignorance, from delusion, from arrogance
and from an unquestioning loyalty to literal interpretations of sacred
scripture as it has come down to the humanity of the present era through
the agency of human minds and hands in its interpretation and
re-interpretation countless times. The bigoted cannot be called the true
followers of Jesus.

Pax cultura.
Cate McKew
2004-10-31 08:54:30 UTC
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Post by Cyber Trekker
Post by Cate McKew
Speaking of dogmatism. Cyber Trekker should take a course of self study.
Those who know me along with the perceptive who have never personally met
me would realise that I am not in any shape or form dogmatic. Conversely,
the pseudo-intellectualist would charge me with being dogmatic, irrational
and unrealistic - especially those of whom retaliate after being
contradicted and maybe admonished. I am, therefore, unmoved by this false
allegation.
That may be so, but I have nothing to go on. Your postings certainly do not
inspire my confidence in any opinion other than a hardened and dogmatic
shell, insinuating special knowledge and wisdom, but acting like a loud drunk
in a bar where everyone else is asleep.
Post by Cyber Trekker
The study of self is a study beyond that of the personality, as the ancient
Greek philosophers could tell you. "Know Thy Self" was even inscribed on
the sanctuary of the Oracle of Delphi. Its meaning transcends that
attributed to it by the ignorant, the dogmatist and the worldly wise. It's
but dimly realised by certain psychologists and contemporary philosophers.
The Delphic Oracle(s) sanctuary was inscribed in Greek - "gnothi se afton" -
which roughly translates "to know" "you" "yourself". More specifically, it
is not a commandment, but more of an aspiration for those at Delphi.

The "Know Thyself" interpretation is an "outsider" interpretation. It
basically meant, that "you can tell when you know something" (ie, don't
rely on authorities when they may be opinionated). It also implied that
hard work was involved.
Post by Cyber Trekker
Post by Cate McKew
They may be deluded in their belief about their faith.
The faith of which Jesus spoke is not the blind faith outlived by the
ignorant and the self-deceived, rather is it that active and intelligent
faith that is derived from a knowingness of which originates from living
and experiencing that previously mentioned injunction to "Know Thy Self".
To know the Real from the unreal, the True from the false is to know that
Truth is not subservient to human concepts. The literal interpreters of
the sacred scriptures do not know it, even as those of whom adhere to
dogmatic science don't know what real science is. Human interpretations
and definitions are often way off the mark and unbelievably narrow-minded.
As Heraclitus wisely said, "Human opinions are toys for children."
I basically agree with this comment, except it appears to be elitist, derived
from being "qualified" to know. The alternative (which is correct) is that
ANYONE can know, but they have to suffer to find out. They have
to be open. They have to be willing to learn.

I also agree that the dogmatic and the "Churchtian" paths are seriously flawed.
Post by Cyber Trekker
The politics of religion is the same as the politics of politics itself and
of the politics of science. The similitude between them is indicative of
the human propensity to hold narrow viewpoints and to dogmatise to the nth
degree. The anti-Masons act from ignorance, from delusion, from arrogance
and from an unquestioning loyalty to literal interpretations of sacred
scripture as it has come down to the humanity of the present era through
the agency of human minds and hands in its interpretation and
re-interpretation countless times. The bigoted cannot be called the true
followers of Jesus.
Pax cultura.
Masons? Are they wise? They have secrets. Why?

Sister Cate.
Cyber Trekker
2004-10-31 10:04:05 UTC
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Post by Cate McKew
That may be so, but I have nothing to go on.
You have nothing to go on because you are blind. It is forsooth clear to
those of whom possess the eyes to see. Take care, therefore, in what you
say, as your responses declare your ignorance as it does your intentions.
Post by Cate McKew
Your postings certainly do not inspire my confidence in any opinion other
than a hardened and dogmatic shell, insinuating special knowledge and
wisdom, but acting like a loud drunk in a bar where everyone else is
asleep.
You, unfortunately, are uninspired. Why find fault in me when the fault
lies within you? How can such a one find inspiration when they are lacking
it themselves? The hardened and dogmatic shell describes you well, just as
it describes so well the lack of inspiration of academia. The mirror in
which you look displays your own reflection, not mine. I stand in
heart-felt humility in front of those far greater than you would ever know
and I remain steadfast in their perceptive gaze without so much as
flinching. I make no pretentious claims. It is you finding fault where
there is none.
Post by Cate McKew
The Delphic Oracle(s) sanctuary was inscribed in Greek - "gnothi se
afton" - which roughly translates "to know" "you" "yourself". More
specifically, it is not a commandment, but more of an aspiration for
those at Delphi.
The "Know Thyself" interpretation is an "outsider" interpretation. It
basically meant, that "you can tell when you know something" (ie, don't
rely on authorities when they may be opinionated). It also implied that
hard work was involved.
Not entirely true. I know both the Greek and the Latin form of the
injunction, for injunction it is. The depth of the true and high Greek
philosophy has rarely been penetrated by the superficial minds of the
largely ignorant modern intellectualist and Occidental student of whom
revel in their pretentiousness and their shallow theories.

To "Know Thyself", as you arrange it, is a poetical representation of which
adheres to the exactness of "yourself" when correctly interpreted and
understood. It is the same in the insightful Indian philosophy. The Self
is not the personality, it is beyond the personality. This is why I
especially broke it up into its components of Know+Thy+Self, as such
conveys the Truth of what the ancient Greek initiated philosophers meant.

The outsider interpretation is that of general academia and religionist,
the materialist and the varied isms of mankind. The philosophy of
universities is not real philosophy, it is speculative intellectualism. It
is as far removed from real philosophy as dogmatic religion is from real
religion or dogmatic science from real science. The one is alive, while
the other is dead.
Post by Cate McKew
Masons? Are they wise? They have secrets. Why?
I am not interested in the pseudo-intellectualism of the modern age. If you
had of asked in all genuineness the answer would have been forthcoming
insofar as it is wise to so do.

Pax cultura.
Cate McKew
2004-10-31 08:57:43 UTC
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Post by Cyber Trekker
Post by Cate McKew
Speaking of dogmatism. Cyber Trekker should take a course of self study.
Those who know me along with the perceptive who have never personally met
me would realise that I am not in any shape or form dogmatic. Conversely,
the pseudo-intellectualist would charge me with being dogmatic, irrational
and unrealistic - especially those of whom retaliate after being
contradicted and maybe admonished. I am, therefore, unmoved by this false
allegation.
That may be so, but I have nothing to go on. Your postings certainly do not
inspire my confidence in any opinion other than a hardened and dogmatic
shell, insinuating special knowledge and wisdom, but acting like a loud drunk
in a bar where everyone else is asleep.
Post by Cyber Trekker
The study of self is a study beyond that of the personality, as the ancient
Greek philosophers could tell you. "Know Thy Self" was even inscribed on
the sanctuary of the Oracle of Delphi. Its meaning transcends that
attributed to it by the ignorant, the dogmatist and the worldly wise. It's
but dimly realised by certain psychologists and contemporary philosophers.
The Delphic Oracle(s) sanctuary was inscribed in Greek - "gnothi se afton" -
which roughly translates "to know" "you" "yourself". More specifically, it
is not a commandment, but more of an aspiration for those at Delphi.

The "Know Thyself" interpretation is an "outsider" interpretation. It
basically meant, that "you can tell when you know something" (ie, don't
rely on authorities when they may be opinionated). It also implied that
hard work was involved.
Post by Cyber Trekker
Post by Cate McKew
They may be deluded in their belief about their faith.
The faith of which Jesus spoke is not the blind faith outlived by the
ignorant and the self-deceived, rather is it that active and intelligent
faith that is derived from a knowingness of which originates from living
and experiencing that previously mentioned injunction to "Know Thy Self".
To know the Real from the unreal, the True from the false is to know that
Truth is not subservient to human concepts. The literal interpreters of
the sacred scriptures do not know it, even as those of whom adhere to
dogmatic science don't know what real science is. Human interpretations
and definitions are often way off the mark and unbelievably narrow-minded.
As Heraclitus wisely said, "Human opinions are toys for children."
I basically agree with this comment, except it appears to be elitist, derived
from being "qualified" to know. The alternative (which is correct) is that
ANYONE can know, but they have to suffer to find out. They have
to be open. They have to be willing to learn.

I also agree that the dogmatic and the "Churchtian" paths are seriously flawed.
Post by Cyber Trekker
The politics of religion is the same as the politics of politics itself and
of the politics of science. The similitude between them is indicative of
the human propensity to hold narrow viewpoints and to dogmatise to the nth
degree. The anti-Masons act from ignorance, from delusion, from arrogance
and from an unquestioning loyalty to literal interpretations of sacred
scripture as it has come down to the humanity of the present era through
the agency of human minds and hands in its interpretation and
re-interpretation countless times. The bigoted cannot be called the true
followers of Jesus.
Pax cultura.
Masons? Are they wise? They have secrets. Why? Is it a tradition? Is it for
protection from the uninitiated and tainted? I agree that many enemies (of
Mason, and of almost any worthy thing) are "useless pieces of shit" and
"bloody annoying". However, not all challenges fall into this bucket.

Sister Cate.
Jomer Simpson
2004-11-01 02:34:33 UTC
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Masons? Are they wise? They have secrets. Why? Is it a tradition? Is it for
protection from the uninitiated and tainted? I agree that many enemies (of
Mason, and of almost any worthy thing) are "useless pieces of shit" and
"bloody annoying". However, not all challenges fall into this bucket.

Sister Cate.

Masons worship Satan / Lucifer. In the Bible Lucifer is called failed angel
or morning star.
Just look how many mason lodges has morning or eastern star in the name.

They also ride a goat, have oath to Lucifer and swear on Bible and basically
they are paganism religion worshiping pagans Gods left more than 2,000 years
ago by people who are not ignorant.

Masonry "invented" own history in 17th Century with idea that they can
become reach by manipulating government and infiltrating all institutions.
They need secrecy because they are criminals and liars.

Low level members in Blue or Green lodge are not told the real nature of
masonry. They are brainwashed with lies, and only enough corrupted or stupid
are promoted to higher levels where "craft" is revealed.
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 15:17:10 UTC
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"Jomer Simpson" wrote in <***@uni-berlin.de>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:57:58 UTC
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Cate McKew wrote in <bO1hd.5236$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:57:28 UTC
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"Cyber Trekker" wrote in <x91hd.5183$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Cyber Trekker
2004-11-01 17:19:18 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
I see you possess a psychological problem. Deal with it...
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:56:55 UTC
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Cate McKew wrote in <oO%gd.5106$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned
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Cate McKew
2004-10-31 06:54:49 UTC
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...
...The rest of the appeal to the vanity of human concepts and interpretations
is severely
Anyone can be a snipper, you know!


Cate - Sister Superior (or alternatively, Your Humble Servant).
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:56:23 UTC
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"Cyber Trekker" wrote in <Eq%gd.5071$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Cyber Trekker
2004-11-01 17:18:34 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
Grow up, modern Hitler!
Seppo Renfors
2004-10-31 12:42:06 UTC
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Post by Cate McKew
Post by Cyber Trekker
Post by Spam
10 Questions for a Mason who Thinks He is Christian
Secret Sins By William Schnoebelen
Do you truly think that Churchianity is real Christianity? Do you likewise
truly think that dogmatic Christianity is real Christianity? They are far
from it.
"!?" as they say in chess.
Christianity is what Christians believe.
Being a Christian is determined by professing a specific _faith_ (ie, belief
without proof in the existence of Jesus Christ as the son of a monotheistic
diety - mysteriously identified as JVH of the Old Testament).
Related to that (almost by accident, but it is the accident that propagates the
message) is the history and structure of the church, the influence of dogma,
psychological vulnerability in the face of "death anxiety", "religious experience"
(a mental event well noted), various kinds of accession to the "truth" of the
messages in the bible, and even indoctrination of children and alienated adults.
Whether the _faith_ is genuine, is unknowable.
Oh come on! The faith is very genuine, there are enough people pushing
it to know that - what the faith teaches, or the cornerstone of the
faith is "genuine" is another story again.
Post by Cate McKew
What is the real Christianity? The genuine article? I trust that each person should
make up their own minds. One thing is clear though: there is an awful lot of
unreal beliefs and behaviours out there that are decidedly unreal Christianity.
Bad News Bible...
What any of this has to do with Masons is another mystery...... but
then perhaps all the bad-mouthers of Masons are slow to forgive
Catholics - after all, Masons were not welcome and were refused entry
into the Catholic Church until 1995! However, even their black ban has
been lifted.
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Cate McKew
2004-10-31 22:20:39 UTC
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Post by Cate McKew
Whether the _faith_ is genuine, is unknowable.
Oh come on! The faith is very genuine, there are enough people pushing
it to know that - what the faith teaches, or the cornerstone of the
faith is "genuine" is another story again.
Eh, what? No?

If I claim I am a Calithumpian Bushwacker and believe in the sacred Fronds
of the unnameable Nardle-Noo Frog, it is unknownable to you whether my
faith is genuine. Even under torture I may be fibbing...

And what starts as an artifice of faith may become a genuine faith if I
repeat it enough, and/or get enough social feedback. Ask L Ron Hubbard's
flock... ["I can make the lame walk, and the blind see, but I cannot lead
the fool from his folly"].
Post by Seppo Renfors
What any of this has to do with Masons is another mystery...... but
then perhaps all the bad-mouthers of Masons are slow to forgive
Catholics - after all, Masons were not welcome and were refused entry
into the Catholic Church until 1995! However, even their black ban has
been lifted.
When the Church of Rome lifts a ban, it takes about 100 years before
most of the flock accept it. That church has a very big memory, except
it tends to forget the most recent details and commitments. [Anyone
heard "Dr" Pell's attitude to Masons, lately]?

Sister Cate.
Seppo Renfors
2004-11-01 04:49:52 UTC
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Post by Cate McKew
Post by Seppo Renfors
Post by Cate McKew
Whether the _faith_ is genuine, is unknowable.
Oh come on! The faith is very genuine, there are enough people pushing
it to know that - what the faith teaches, or the cornerstone of the
faith is "genuine" is another story again.
Eh, what? No?
If I claim I am a Calithumpian Bushwacker and believe in the sacred Fronds
of the unnameable Nardle-Noo Frog, it is unknownable to you whether my
faith is genuine. Even under torture I may be fibbing...
Ahhh.... but that is a totally different kettle of fish. You are no
longer suggesting the FAITH, if genuine or not, "is unknowable". You
have shifted it to, that your belief in the faith "is unknowable".
Post by Cate McKew
And what starts as an artifice of faith may become a genuine faith if I
repeat it enough, and/or get enough social feedback. Ask L Ron Hubbard's
flock... ["I can make the lame walk, and the blind see, but I cannot lead
the fool from his folly"].
Don't confuse "faith" with "belief in the faith" as being the same -
they are not. However I have to agree with the "cannot lead the fool
from his folly" statement :-)
Post by Cate McKew
Post by Seppo Renfors
What any of this has to do with Masons is another mystery...... but
then perhaps all the bad-mouthers of Masons are slow to forgive
Catholics - after all, Masons were not welcome and were refused entry
into the Catholic Church until 1995! However, even their black ban has
been lifted.
When the Church of Rome lifts a ban, it takes about 100 years before
most of the flock accept it. That church has a very big memory, except
it tends to forget the most recent details and commitments. [Anyone
heard "Dr" Pell's attitude to Masons, lately]?
Pell is a mere minion, and doesn't count. The Pope has finally put an
end to the black banning of the Stone Masons Union.
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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 15:15:21 UTC
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Seppo Renfors wrote in <***@not.com.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 15:14:49 UTC
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"Cate McKew" wrote in <Xydhd.5781$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned
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Cate McKew
2004-11-02 11:19:06 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
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aus.cuture.true-blue.ned.latham is narrowing its relevance so far that
it will disappear up its on ... ...you know the rest.

Cate (almost surprised, but not really).






































































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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:58:28 UTC
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Seppo Renfors wrote in <***@not.com.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:55:55 UTC
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Cate McKew wrote in <d__gd.5018$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:55:27 UTC
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"Cyber Trekker" wrote in <hn_gd.4970$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned
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Cyber Trekker
2004-11-01 17:17:54 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Nothing relevant to act-b.
Go get a life... dictator.
Seppo Renfors
2004-10-31 07:00:32 UTC
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Post by Spam
Post by Scott Hillard
Post by Ernest
Methodists used to have the 'Order of Knights' and last I heard,
a few decades back, it still existed.
- Knights of the East and West
- Knights of the cross of Babylon
- Knights Templar (of course)
- Knights Kadosh
Etc.
http://www.withoneaccord.org/store/SecretSins.html
10 Questions for a Mason who Thinks He is Christian
...and that statement is loaded with bigotry. There is noting
preventing a Mason being a Christian... or of any religion they
please.
Post by Spam
Secret Sins By William Schnoebelen
1. If Masonry is not a religion, why does it have all the trappings of
a religion?
Though Masons are told it is not a religion, that claim does not bear
close scrutiny. By any dictionary definition, Freemasonry has all the
distinctive qualities of a religion. It demands a belief in a Supreme Being
as a requirement for membership. It also has a chaplain, rituals of
initiation, prayers and funeral services and teaches a plan of salvation. It
also has an organized body of philosophical and ethical teachings. Thus,
Masonry is indeed a religion.
I cannot fathom this "mason hate" propaganda that has been doing the
rounds recently. The conclusion drawn is arrant nonsense. What makes a
religion a religion is a specific concept of a god - not just any god.
A Hindu God or any other God is acceptable for Masons - or at least
the lip service to one. That an ancient club has rituals is hardly
surprising. Hell, if that was all that there was to a "religion" the
whole Pommy establishment would be a "religion"! They wear funny
clothes, and have silly rituals too! Is the Queen a "god" - I doubt
anyone believes that - yet she IS the head of the Anglican Church!
Does that make all POMS "Christian of the "Anglican" version? What a
load of codswallop!
Post by Spam
2. If it is a religion, which one is it?
First in concern, it is not the Christian religion. Masonic
authorities openly deny it is Christianity,
Indeed, because they are NOT a religion. Why is it that there are
people so willing to beat up on the first trade union in existence?
What are they afraid of?


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Cate McKew
2004-10-31 07:09:29 UTC
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Post by Seppo Renfors
...
I cannot fathom this "mason hate" propaganda that has been doing the
rounds recently.
You can't? It sounds to me that the reasons are the same for all the other
kinds of hate around these newsgroups.

Leopards not changing spots. Just appearing in a different light.
Post by Seppo Renfors
The conclusion drawn is arrant nonsense.
I certainly can't argument with that.

Cate.
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:59:41 UTC
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Post by Cate McKew
Post by Seppo Renfors
...
I cannot fathom this "mason hate" propaganda that has been doing
the rounds recently.
Could it be that Christians see them as the spawn of the devil because
they lack Christianity's bigotry?
Post by Cate McKew
You can't? It sounds to me that the reasons are the same for all the
other kinds of hate around these newsgroups.
Hatred *always* has a reason. Why is it that you lot condemn others
for "collective guilt" ideas while holding them yourselves?

----snip----

This is not relevant to act-b. Keep it to the religious groups, please.

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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:59:00 UTC
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Seppo Renfors wrote in <***@not.com.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:44:56 UTC
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"Plzen Brew" wrote in <***@uni-berlin.de>:

Some crackpot religious tripe. Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

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Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:44:15 UTC
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Scott Hillard wrote in <mQJgd.481$***@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

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Ned Latham
2004-10-24 23:38:36 UTC
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"James Smythe" wrote in <a4ned.36150$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

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Ned
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Ned Latham
2004-10-24 23:38:02 UTC
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"Rod Speed" wrote in <***@uni-berlin.de>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

Please trim it from the Newsgroups header when you reply to
such idiocies, Rod.

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Scott Hillard
2004-10-30 10:12:54 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Wot I wanna know is whether woman mason is a masonette ?
No such animal.
Ned Latham
2004-11-01 14:43:15 UTC
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Scott Hillard wrote in <rOJgd.479$***@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

Ned
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