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Official: Population-Wise, London is No Longer a British City
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2007-10-04 11:57:41 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07

White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.

In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.

Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.

Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."

While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.

In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.

In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.

In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.

When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+whites+a+minority+in+London+classrooms/article.do
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 12:41:31 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+whites+a+minority+in+London+classrooms/article.do
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Jay
2007-10-04 12:49:14 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
Do you have a reference for this?
Any proof whatsoever will do.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 13:35:28 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
Do you have a reference for this?
Any proof whatsoever will do.
Try the ONS, (Office of National Statistic) -

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/tsdtables1.asp?vlnk=cxnv

Now off you go and check it out.
Tell us, which of the former immigrant families did your lot come from?
Are you descended from before the Romans came to Southern Britain or from
when the Anglo,
Saxons came, or the Normans. Perhaps your lot came from Scotland, Wales or
Ireland.
If so then why are you so set against the other immigrants, like your
forbearers, who came to live in Britain?
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Jay
2007-10-04 13:44:18 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
Do you have a reference for this?
Any proof whatsoever will do.
Try the ONS, (Office of National Statistic) -
Oh yes, there, where we can find any six year old statistics
we like.
Nothing about present day britain.
I wonder whether they're scared to give and current facts.
Post by Robert Peffers
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/tsdtables1.asp?vlnk=cxnv
Now off you go and check it out.
Tell us, which of the former immigrant families did your lot come from?
Are you descended from before the Romans came to Southern Britain or from
when the Anglo,
Saxons came, or the Normans. Perhaps your lot came from Scotland, Wales or
Ireland.
If so then why are you so set against the other immigrants, like your
forbearers, who came to live in Britain?
As I say, I have traced my family two hundred years.
Didn't go any further.
They've paid an awful lot into this Country in that time.
Rightfully we call ourselves English.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 14:00:23 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
Do you have a reference for this?
Any proof whatsoever will do.
Try the ONS, (Office of National Statistic) -
Oh yes, there, where we can find any six year old statistics
we like.
Nothing about present day britain.
I wonder whether they're scared to give and current facts.
Post by Robert Peffers
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/tsdtables1.asp?vlnk=cxnv
Now off you go and check it out.
Tell us, which of the former immigrant families did your lot come from?
Are you descended from before the Romans came to Southern Britain or from
when the Anglo,
Saxons came, or the Normans. Perhaps your lot came from Scotland, Wales or
Ireland.
If so then why are you so set against the other immigrants, like your
forbearers, who came to live in Britain?
As I say, I have traced my family two hundred years.
Didn't go any further.
They've paid an awful lot into this Country in that time.
Rightfully we call ourselves English.
Only 200 years! Bloody immigrant! You lot are all over the place now. Get
away back from whence you came.
Have you noticed that a great many of those newer immigrants are running
businesses and doing well?
Think of those Italian Chip-shops, Chinese, Italian, Spanish Restaurants.
Look at the Supermarket shelves and check out the makers names of the
ingredients made in Britain.
Not only that but they are financing and managing many Top English football
teams. Al Fayed has a big business empire too. The point is that incomers,
and incomers to any country, make that extra effort to set up and make a new
start. Then your own words hit a nail right on the head, "Rightfully we call
ourselves English". So also will the latest batch to arrive on these shores.
Who are you, a comparative newcomer, to stop them?
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
M***@aol.com
2007-10-04 17:55:14 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
Do you have a reference for this?
Any proof whatsoever will do.
Try the ONS, (Office of National Statistic) -
Oh yes, there, where we can find any six year old statistics
we like.
Nothing about present day britain.
I wonder whether they're scared to give and current facts.
Post by Robert Peffers
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/tsdtables1.asp?vlnk=cxnv
Now off you go and check it out.
Tell us, which of the former immigrant families did your lot come from?
Are you descended from before the Romans came to Southern Britain or from
when the Anglo,
Saxons came, or the Normans. Perhaps your lot came from Scotland, Wales or
Ireland.
If so then why are you so set against the other immigrants, like your
forbearers, who came to live in Britain?
As I say, I have traced my family two hundred years.
Didn't go any further.
They've paid an awful lot into this Country in that time.
Rightfully we call ourselves English.
Only 200 years! Bloody immigrant! You lot are all over the place now. Get
away back from whence you came.
Have you noticed that a great many of those newer immigrants are running
businesses and doing well?
Think of those Italian Chip-shops, Chinese, Italian, Spanish Restaurants.
Look at the Supermarket shelves and check out the makers names of the
ingredients made in Britain.
Not only that but they are financing and managing many Top English football
teams. Al Fayed has a big business empire too. The point is that incomers,
and incomers to any country, make that extra effort to set up and make a new
start. Then your own words hit a nail right on the head, "Rightfully we call
ourselves English". So also will the latest batch to arrive on these shores.
Who are you, a comparative newcomer, to stop them?
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).- Hide quoted text -
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What exactly is your personal gain from immigration? Don't say you
have not got one and are just high minded because it's never true with
people who put up arguments like yours.
John of Aix
2007-10-04 18:44:33 UTC
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What exactly is your personal gain from immigration?
Who needs a personal gan from immigration? Who would seek; one,
immigrants are not slaves. I'm quite happy with the fact that immigrants
(should) gain something if they immigrate
Post by M***@aol.com
Don't say you
have not got one and are just high minded because it's never true with
people who put up arguments like yours.
Utter bollocks from a poor sod who is unhappy with his life and so needs
to blame others for his problems
Farmer Giles
2007-10-04 19:02:28 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
Do you have a reference for this?
Any proof whatsoever will do.
Try the ONS, (Office of National Statistic) -
Oh yes, there, where we can find any six year old statistics
we like.
Nothing about present day britain.
I wonder whether they're scared to give and current facts.
Post by Robert Peffers
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/tsdtables1.asp?vlnk=cxnv
Now off you go and check it out.
Tell us, which of the former immigrant families did your lot come from?
Are you descended from before the Romans came to Southern Britain or from
when the Anglo,
Saxons came, or the Normans. Perhaps your lot came from Scotland, Wales or
Ireland.
If so then why are you so set against the other immigrants, like your
forbearers, who came to live in Britain?
As I say, I have traced my family two hundred years.
Didn't go any further.
They've paid an awful lot into this Country in that time.
Rightfully we call ourselves English.
Only 200 years! Bloody immigrant! You lot are all over the place now. Get
away back from whence you came.
Have you noticed that a great many of those newer immigrants are running
businesses and doing well?
Think of those Italian Chip-shops, Chinese, Italian, Spanish Restaurants.
Look at the Supermarket shelves and check out the makers names of the
ingredients made in Britain.
Not only that but they are financing and managing many Top English football
teams. Al Fayed has a big business empire too. The point is that incomers,
and incomers to any country, make that extra effort to set up and make a new
start. Then your own words hit a nail right on the head, "Rightfully we call
ourselves English". So also will the latest batch to arrive on these shores.
Who are you, a comparative newcomer, to stop them?
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text ->
What exactly is your personal gain from immigration? Don't say you
have not got one and are just high minded because it's never true with
people who put up arguments like yours.
Quite simple, Mike. He and his ilk despise the English, and they are
both consumed and sustained by that hatred - it defines their entire
existence. They watch the destruction of England, and the disposession
of the English, with uncontrolled glee.

They cannot see that, when their sponsors have used them to complete
their nefarious task, they will be next. The ultimate 'useful idiots'.
John of Aix
2007-10-04 19:55:32 UTC
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Quite simple, Mike. He and his ilk despise the English, and they are
both consumed and sustained by that hatred - it defines their entire
existence. They watch the destruction of England, and the disposession
of the English, with uncontrolled glee.
Listen sunshine, anyone who has hatred for anything is an absolute
cretin. Why the hell do you think I kick the arse of these moronic
racists? I don't hate them in the least, I pity them for the poor,
unhappy sods they are and would be more than delighted if they became
human beings once again.
Aramis Gunton
2007-10-04 21:15:00 UTC
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Listen sunshine, anyone who has hatred for anything is an absolute
cretin. Why the hell do you think I kick the arse of these moronic
racists? I don't hate them in the least, I pity them for the poor,
unhappy sods they are and would be more than delighted if they became
human beings once again.
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"No. I hate racists as much as you do but I think average racism is
rarely philosophical, thought out, just knee-jerk reactions to the
unknown or strange, literally xenophobia."
--
Aramis Gunton
M***@aol.com
2007-10-04 21:39:53 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by M***@aol.com
What exactly is your personal gain from immigration? Don't say you
have not got one and are just high minded because it's never true with
people who put up arguments like yours.
Quite simple, Mike. He and his ilk despise the English, and they are
both consumed and sustained by that hatred - it defines their entire
existence. They watch the destruction of England, and the disposession
of the English, with uncontrolled glee.
They cannot see that, when their sponsors have used them to complete
their nefarious task, they will be next. The ultimate 'useful idiots'.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text ->
It seems some Scots hate the English and one of them is in here!

It really is quite bizarre how angry they get when you point out that
mass immigration by people quite unlike the English is going to be a
disadvantage to us. Ir's all one big happy family with everyone
gaining and anyone who can see the snags is a bad person. Never
happened in history but this time it's happy families.... If they keep
up the abuse - racist blah de blah - perhaps they will convince
themselves.

Behind every one of these pro-immigration fanatics is a hater of
Britain and of white people. The equivalent of the self-hating Jew.
The abusive language gives away that they do not have a calm and
reasoned position at all but want to browbeat because rhey have
divided and duplicitous motives.

It was just the same forty years ago with the communists who used to
browbeat people who criticised their little tin gods who failed. They
were mostly useful idiots.

Now the little tin god is immigration as the means to create paradise
on earth and it will go the same way with the useful idiot browbeaters
as last time.
M***@aol.com
2007-10-04 21:50:53 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by M***@aol.com
What exactly is your personal gain from immigration? Don't say you
have not got one and are just high minded because it's never true with
people who put up arguments like yours.
Quite simple, Mike. He and his ilk despise the English, and they are
both consumed and sustained by that hatred - it defines their entire
existence. They watch the destruction of England, and the disposession
of the English, with uncontrolled glee.
They cannot see that, when their sponsors have used them to complete
their nefarious task, they will be next. The ultimate 'useful idiots'.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text ->
It seems some Scots hate the English and one of them is in here!
It really is quite bizarre how angry they get when you point out that
mass immigration by people quite unlike the English is going to be a
disadvantage to us. Ir's all one big happy family with everyone
gaining and anyone who can see the snags is a bad person. Never
happened in history but this time it's happy families.... If they keep
up the abuse - racist blah de blah - perhaps they will convince
themselves.
Behind every one of these pro-immigration fanatics is a hater of
Britain and of white people. The equivalent of the self-hating Jew.
The abusive language gives away that they do not have a calm and
reasoned position at all but want to browbeat because rhey have
divided and duplicitous motives.
It was just the same forty years ago with the communists who used to
browbeat people who criticised their little tin gods who failed. They
were mostly useful idiots.
Now the little tin god is immigration as the means to create paradise
on earth and it will go the same way with the useful idiot browbeaters
as last time.>
As I understand Peffers is Scottish and has lived in Scotland all his
life. He's noticed a minute number of immigrants entering Scotland and
that this has not created a great problem. (Lets's leave out the
torture and murder of the white teenager as an aberration) He then
induces that because a tiny number of immigrants are not a great
problem it will be the same with a vast number. Bizarre.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-05 01:10:51 UTC
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Post by M***@aol.com
Post by M***@aol.com
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by M***@aol.com
What exactly is your personal gain from immigration? Don't say you
have not got one and are just high minded because it's never true with
people who put up arguments like yours.
Quite simple, Mike. He and his ilk despise the English, and they are
both consumed and sustained by that hatred - it defines their entire
existence. They watch the destruction of England, and the disposession
of the English, with uncontrolled glee.
They cannot see that, when their sponsors have used them to complete
their nefarious task, they will be next. The ultimate 'useful idiots'.-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text ->
It seems some Scots hate the English and one of them is in here!
It really is quite bizarre how angry they get when you point out that
mass immigration by people quite unlike the English is going to be a
disadvantage to us. Ir's all one big happy family with everyone
gaining and anyone who can see the snags is a bad person. Never
happened in history but this time it's happy families.... If they keep
up the abuse - racist blah de blah - perhaps they will convince
themselves.
Behind every one of these pro-immigration fanatics is a hater of
Britain and of white people. The equivalent of the self-hating Jew.
The abusive language gives away that they do not have a calm and
reasoned position at all but want to browbeat because rhey have
divided and duplicitous motives.
It was just the same forty years ago with the communists who used to
browbeat people who criticised their little tin gods who failed. They
were mostly useful idiots.
Now the little tin god is immigration as the means to create paradise
on earth and it will go the same way with the useful idiot browbeaters
as last time.>
As I understand Peffers is Scottish and has lived in Scotland all his
life.
No he has not lived in Scotland all his life but don't let that spoil your
Facts.
Post by M***@aol.com
He's noticed a minute number of immigrants entering Scotland and
that this has not created a great problem.
I was educated in a class while in England that had a 99% non-Scots makeup.
I was educated in a class in the later 1940s where the Scots made up around
30% of the class. It was in a town that was a major sea port and docklands.
So once again don't let facts get in the way of your points.
Post by M***@aol.com
(Lets's leave out the
torture and murder of the white teenager as an aberration) He then
induces that because a tiny number of immigrants are not a great
problem it will be the same with a vast number. Bizarre.
Oh! Great! So you think that greated numbers in those will see the proven
most law abiding communities in the UK become lawless.
Aye! Nice debating point but a bit weak on actual sense.
Just what are you afraid of? Do you believe these immigrants are better than
you and you will not be able to compete with them?
Yeah! That'll be it. The coloured guys will get all the best looking gals,
the best jobs and the best positions in the club, (whatever is your bag).
With an inferiority complex like that we cannot blame you for being afraid,
after all deep down inside you know you ARE inferior.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Boss
2007-10-05 19:08:04 UTC
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"Robert Peffers" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Post by Robert Peffers
Oh! Great! So you think that greated numbers in those will see the proven
most law abiding communities in the UK become lawless.
Aye! Nice debating point but a bit weak on actual sense.
Just what are you afraid of? Do you believe these immigrants are better
than you and you will not be able to compete with them?
Yeah! That'll be it. The coloured guys will get all the best looking gals,
the best jobs and the best positions in the club, (whatever is your bag).
With an inferiority complex like that we cannot blame you for being
afraid, after all deep down inside you know you ARE inferior.
I'll make it simple for you: TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO BRITAIN - MAINLY
ENGLAND - AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EXERCISE OUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT IN SAYING
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
--
The Boss
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 13:12:54 UTC
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Post by The Boss
news:b_ydndzW->>>
Post by Robert Peffers
Oh! Great! So you think that greated numbers in those will see the proven
most law abiding communities in the UK become lawless.
Aye! Nice debating point but a bit weak on actual sense.
Just what are you afraid of? Do you believe these immigrants are better
than you and you will not be able to compete with them?
Yeah! That'll be it. The coloured guys will get all the best looking
gals, the best jobs and the best positions in the club, (whatever is your
bag).
With an inferiority complex like that we cannot blame you for being
afraid, after all deep down inside you know you ARE inferior.
I'll make it simple for you: TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO BRITAIN - MAINLY
ENGLAND - AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EXERCISE OUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT IN
SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
--
The Boss
You just did exercise that right you raving numptie. However, I and many
more Britons like me, said the opposite.
In point of fact I, and probably many more like me, would rather see racist
bigots like you, thrown OUT of the UK.
The average incomer is a law abiding, hard working person.
With your racist views like you, and your extremist political pals,
statistics show there is a higher incidence of violent crime than the
average immigrant.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Boss
2007-10-06 20:49:05 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
news:b_ydndzW->>>
Post by Robert Peffers
Oh! Great! So you think that greated numbers in those will see the
proven most law abiding communities in the UK become lawless.
Aye! Nice debating point but a bit weak on actual sense.
Just what are you afraid of? Do you believe these immigrants are better
than you and you will not be able to compete with them?
Yeah! That'll be it. The coloured guys will get all the best looking
gals, the best jobs and the best positions in the club, (whatever is
your bag).
With an inferiority complex like that we cannot blame you for being
afraid, after all deep down inside you know you ARE inferior.
I'll make it simple for you: TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO BRITAIN - MAINLY
ENGLAND - AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EXERCISE OUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT IN
SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
--
The Boss
You just did exercise that right you raving numptie.
In PRACTICAL terms, stupid. Do I have to spell EVERYTHING out to you???
Post by Robert Peffers
However, I and many more Britons like me, said the opposite.
With a population density of ONLY 271/km2 where you live, compared to London
of at least 4,761/km2 - that's more than SEVENTEEN times worse than your
pathetic little slum, you are in absolutely NO position to lecture me, is
that quite clear? Now why haven't you had the GUTS to provide your address,
so that we can export or redirect those people you are so in favour of?
Post by Robert Peffers
In point of fact I, and probably many more like me, would rather see racist
You are showing how low your intelligence is, because you can't argue your
case without resorting to racism.
Post by Robert Peffers
bigots
Another misused word you've been indoctrinated with, eh?
Post by Robert Peffers
like you, thrown OUT of the UK.
Come and do it yourself, BIG MOUTH.
Post by Robert Peffers
The average incomer is a law abiding, hard working person.
Especially if he's an ILLEGAL, right?
Post by Robert Peffers
With your racist views like you,
Can you at least try and write grammatically correct ENGLISH? The fact that
you are using English, indicates that you are subservient to the ENGLISH.
Post by Robert Peffers
and your extremist political pals,
Yeah? Name them, moron.
Post by Robert Peffers
statistics show there is a higher incidence of violent crime than the
average immigrant.
YOU haven't shown anything, you're just full of stale air like your
screeching bagpipes.
Stay in your crummy Scotland, I have no need to visit a place like that. Oh,
and we don't want your scummy Brown down here, got it?
--
The Boss
Robert Peffers
2007-10-07 01:13:45 UTC
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Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
news:b_ydndzW->>>
Post by Robert Peffers
Oh! Great! So you think that greated numbers in those will see the
proven most law abiding communities in the UK become lawless.
Aye! Nice debating point but a bit weak on actual sense.
Just what are you afraid of? Do you believe these immigrants are better
than you and you will not be able to compete with them?
Yeah! That'll be it. The coloured guys will get all the best looking
gals, the best jobs and the best positions in the club, (whatever is
your bag).
With an inferiority complex like that we cannot blame you for being
afraid, after all deep down inside you know you ARE inferior.
I'll make it simple for you: TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO BRITAIN -
MAINLY ENGLAND - AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EXERCISE OUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT
IN SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
--
The Boss
You just did exercise that right you raving numptie.
In PRACTICAL terms, stupid. Do I have to spell EVERYTHING out to you???
Post by Robert Peffers
However, I and many more Britons like me, said the opposite.
With a population density of ONLY 271/km2 where you live, compared to
London of at least 4,761/km2 - that's more than SEVENTEEN times worse than
your pathetic little slum, you are in absolutely NO position to lecture
me, is that quite clear? Now why haven't you had the GUTS to provide your
address, so that we can export or redirect those people you are so in
favour of?
I do give my nearest village's name you raving racist idiot.
As to it my home being a pathetic little slum you have no idea what it is.
Unlike your vomit stained streets I live in a nice little country cottage
cottage outside a nice little country village that sits between a nice
forest and a country park with a golf course, water sports area, a bird
sanctuary and a nature reserve. From my window I look out on a loch and a
hill both of striking beauty.

Nothing like your crowded disease ridden, stinking, polluted, inner city
hell holes. However, that is my choice and you have chosen yours. No one
forced me to live here and I suspect no one forced you to live in yours.
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
In point of fact I, and probably many more like me, would rather see racist
You are showing how low your intelligence is, because you can't argue your
case without resorting to racism.
My case is that, " racism", is wrong and you are a racist. In point of fact
there are quite a high proportion of foreigners in the village. Probably the
greatest proportion are English, Welsh and Irish but there are not a few
French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese a couple or so
from Thailand a few Iraqis and some Africans. That is quite a lot for a
small village. In any case I spent some years living in a docklands area
where there was all sorts of families settled and in fact the school I
attended had only a 30% Scottish intake. I also spent 50 odd years working
with all sorts in Her Royal Majesties Service. I've probably met and
befriended far more foreign nationals than you have ever seen. You do jump
to some rather broad conclusions in attempting to justify your unjustifiable
views.
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
bigots
Another misused word you've been indoctrinated with, eh?
No, Little Dear, I use the term advisedly and it fits you like a glove.
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
like you, thrown OUT of the UK.
Come and do it yourself, BIG MOUTH.
Whatever makes you think I could not?
I was trained to kill by WWII instructors of the RAF Regiment and, as you
probably don't know, these arean Elite fighting force.
However, I am a pacifist and have, (after my short Korean War experiance),
have never used the skills learned for anything more than self defence.
I would not, thus, soil my hands with such as you. Racist, ageist and
threatening violence are a mixture that may yet see you in the courts.
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
The average incomer is a law abiding, hard working person.
Especially if he's an ILLEGAL, right?
Do you think so?
Common sense would dictate that if a person was here illegally that they
would keep their heads down and keep a low profile to avoid deportation.
I expect you have no real idea what the difference is between an illegal
immigrant, a legal immigrant and an asylum seeker. Your kind never do.
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
With your racist views like you,
Can you at least try and write grammatically correct ENGLISH? The fact
that you are using English, indicates that you are subservient to the
ENGLISH.
Another rather racist, and strange, conclusion on your part.
My country not only has its own parliament but it is an equal partner in
that of the UK. Something England does not have.
Furthermore, at present, we have a Scottish Prime Minister and the majority
of the important cabinet posts are held by Scots.
In essence we are running your country for you as England has no parliament
of her own and Scots hold all the top posts in the Union Parliament.
Anyway that is just another of your straw men. Stick to the point.
Your racist views are stupid, immoral and full of lies.
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
and your extremist political pals,
Yeah? Name them, moron.
Post by Robert Peffers
statistics show there is a higher incidence of violent crime than the
average immigrant.
YOU haven't shown anything, you're just full of stale air like your
screeching bagpipes.
Then you did not read the recent statement of the Chief Constables of the
United Kingdom who collectively claimed that Muslim communities where far
more law abiding than those of most others including the British.
Post by The Boss
Stay in your crummy Scotland, I have no need to visit a place like that.
Oh, and we don't want your scummy Brown down here, got it?
No I , "Ain't got it", but you have for it seems the Prime Minister is
favoured by more English people than any other party leader just now.
So just who appointed you as spokesperson for all England?
I have many English friends and I'm glad to say none of them share your
views. They would be ashamed to know you.

What made you think I made a secret of where I live?

Look down there, \|/, numptie
Post by The Boss
--
The Boss
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
w***@yahoo.co.uk
2007-10-07 01:21:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
news:b_ydndzW->>>
Post by Robert Peffers
Oh! Great! So you think that greated numbers in those will see the
proven most law abiding communities in the UK become lawless.
Aye! Nice debating point but a bit weak on actual sense.
Just what are you afraid of? Do you believe these immigrants are better
than you and you will not be able to compete with them?
Yeah! That'll be it. The coloured guys will get all the best looking
gals, the best jobs and the best positions in the club, (whatever is
your bag).
With an inferiority complex like that we cannot blame you for being
afraid, after all deep down inside you know you ARE inferior.
I'll make it simple for you: TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO BRITAIN -
MAINLY ENGLAND - AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EXERCISE OUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT
IN SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
--
The Boss
You just did exercise that right you raving numptie.
In PRACTICAL terms, stupid. Do I have to spell EVERYTHING out to you???
Post by Robert Peffers
However, I and many more Britons like me, said the opposite.
With a population density of ONLY 271/km2 where you live, compared to
London of at least 4,761/km2 - that's more than SEVENTEEN times worse than
your pathetic little slum, you are in absolutely NO position to lecture
me, is that quite clear? Now why haven't you had the GUTS to provide your
address, so that we can export or redirect those people you are so in
favour of?
I do give my nearest village's name you raving racist idiot.
As to it my home being a pathetic little slum you have no idea what it is.
Unlike your vomit stained streets I live in a nice little country cottage
cottage outside a nice little country village that sits between a nice
forest and a country park with a golf course, water sports area, a bird
sanctuary and a nature reserve. From my window I look out on a loch and a
hill both of striking beauty.
Nothing like your crowded disease ridden, stinking, polluted, inner city
hell holes. However, that is my choice and you have chosen yours. No one
forced me to live here and I suspect no one forced you to live in yours.
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
In point of fact I, and probably many more like me, would rather see racist
You are showing how low your intelligence is, because you can't argue your
case without resorting to racism.
My case is that, " racism", is wrong and you are a racist. In point of fact
there are quite a high proportion of foreigners in the village. Probably the
greatest proportion are English, Welsh and Irish but there are not a few
French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese a couple or so
from Thailand a few Iraqis and some Africans. That is quite a lot for a
small village...
Lol, this peffers cunt thinks he lives in fucking Balamory. Shit off
you mad bastard.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-07 20:13:41 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
news:b_ydndzW->>>
Post by Robert Peffers
Oh! Great! So you think that greated numbers in those will see the
proven most law abiding communities in the UK become lawless.
Aye! Nice debating point but a bit weak on actual sense.
Just what are you afraid of? Do you believe these immigrants are better
than you and you will not be able to compete with them?
Yeah! That'll be it. The coloured guys will get all the best looking
gals, the best jobs and the best positions in the club, (whatever is
your bag).
With an inferiority complex like that we cannot blame you for being
afraid, after all deep down inside you know you ARE inferior.
I'll make it simple for you: TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO BRITAIN -
MAINLY ENGLAND - AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EXERCISE OUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT
IN SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
--
The Boss
You just did exercise that right you raving numptie.
In PRACTICAL terms, stupid. Do I have to spell EVERYTHING out to you???
Post by Robert Peffers
However, I and many more Britons like me, said the opposite.
With a population density of ONLY 271/km2 where you live, compared to
London of at least 4,761/km2 - that's more than SEVENTEEN times worse than
your pathetic little slum, you are in absolutely NO position to lecture
me, is that quite clear? Now why haven't you had the GUTS to provide your
address, so that we can export or redirect those people you are so in
favour of?
I do give my nearest village's name you raving racist idiot.
As to it my home being a pathetic little slum you have no idea what it is.
Unlike your vomit stained streets I live in a nice little country cottage
cottage outside a nice little country village that sits between a nice
forest and a country park with a golf course, water sports area, a bird
sanctuary and a nature reserve. From my window I look out on a loch and a
hill both of striking beauty.
Nothing like your crowded disease ridden, stinking, polluted, inner city
hell holes. However, that is my choice and you have chosen yours. No one
forced me to live here and I suspect no one forced you to live in yours.
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
In point of fact I, and probably many more like me, would rather see racist
You are showing how low your intelligence is, because you can't argue your
case without resorting to racism.
My case is that, " racism", is wrong and you are a racist. In point of fact
there are quite a high proportion of foreigners in the village. Probably the
greatest proportion are English, Welsh and Irish but there are not a few
French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese a couple or so
from Thailand a few Iraqis and some Africans. That is quite a lot for a
small village...
Lol, this peffers cunt thinks he lives in fucking Balamory. Shit off
you mad bastard.
No, Little Dear, I know my residential location, and it is not in a
fictional Highland village on a child's TV show.
Fan of the little child's programme are you?
May I instruct you a little on your woeful Geography?
Balamore is said to be modeled on a Highland & Islands village. My partial
address makes it quite clear it is not in Scotland's Highlands.
Neither do need to I descend to the childlike name calling of the primary
school playground, where the use of naughty words is thought to be, "cool",
among the little child's peers.
Chin up, though, little one, I promise you will grow up one day, (you may,
though, never get more mentally mature).
When do you go to. "the big school".
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
a***@yahoo.co.uk
2007-10-05 21:14:37 UTC
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What exactly is your personal gain from immigration? Don't say you
have not got one and are just high minded because it's never true with
people who put up arguments like yours.
Quite simple, Mike. He and his ilk despise the English, and they are
both consumed and sustained by that hatred - it defines their entire
existence. They watch the destruction of England, and the disposession
of the English, with uncontrolled glee.
They cannot see that, when their sponsors have used them to complete
their nefarious task, they will be next. The ultimate 'useful idiots'.-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text ->
It seems some Scots hate the English and one of them is in here!
It really is quite bizarre how angry they get when you point out that
mass immigration by people quite unlike the English is going to be a
disadvantage to us. Ir's all one big happy family with everyone
gaining and anyone who can see the snags is a bad person. Never
happened in history but this time it's happy families.... If they keep
up the abuse - racist blah de blah - perhaps they will convince
themselves.
Behind every one of these pro-immigration fanatics is a hater of
Britain and of white people. The equivalent of the self-hating Jew.
The abusive language gives away that they do not have a calm and
reasoned position at all but want to browbeat because rhey have
divided and duplicitous motives.
It was just the same forty years ago with the communists who used to
browbeat people who criticised their little tin gods who failed. They
were mostly useful idiots.
Now the little tin god is immigration as the means to create paradise
on earth and it will go the same way with the useful idiot browbeaters
as last time.>
As I understand Peffers is Scottish and has lived in Scotland all his
life.
No he has not lived in Scotland all his life but don't let that spoil your
Facts.> He's noticed a minute number of immigrants entering Scotland and
Post by M***@aol.com
that this has not created a great problem.
I was educated in a class while in England that had a 99% non-Scots makeup.
I was educated in a class in the later 1940s where the Scots made up around
30% of the class. It was in a town that was a major sea port and docklands.
So once again don't let facts get in the way of your points.> (Lets's leave out the
Post by M***@aol.com
torture and murder of the white teenager as an aberration) He then
induces that because a tiny number of immigrants are not a great
problem it will be the same with a vast number. Bizarre.
Oh! Great! So you think that greated numbers in those will see the proven
most law abiding communities in the UK become lawless.
Aye! Nice debating point but a bit weak on actual sense.
Just what are you afraid of? Do you believe these immigrants are better than
you and you will not be able to compete with them?
Yeah! That'll be it. The coloured guys will get all the best looking gals,
the best jobs and the best positions in the club, (whatever is your bag).
With an inferiority complex like that we cannot blame you for being afraid,
after all deep down inside you know you ARE inferior.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).- Hide quoted text -
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You are old and out of touch. you fucking old fool.


RACE AND IQ.

The Negro brain is, on average, 6 cubic inches smaller than the
Oriental brain, and 5 cubic inches smaller than the European brain.
It
has been shown that more intelligent people tend to have larger
brains.


http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no1/jpr-taxonomic.html


Bruce Lahn is an American scientist who has discovered a gene for
brain size that is common amongst Orientals and white Europeans, but
virtually unknown amongst Negroes.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/science/08cnd-brain.html?ex=1283832...


Genes for intelligence are in the process of being discovered.
Gregory
Cochran is another American scientist who has studied a gene for high
IQ that is most common in Jews, but is also associated with certain
types of genetic diseases that are most prevalent amongst Jews.
(Apart
from furnishing further proof that the races and even groups within
the same race are unequal in average intelligence, this shows that
the
idea of "race" or "ethnicity" is a medically useful concept.)


http://www.vdare.com/sailer/050605_iq.htm


Although liberal/left fantasists would wish the facts suppressed,
doctors and scientists seeking cures are finding that many diseases
have a genetic, racial, component (as with the Jewish diseases
mentioned above) and that for people from different racial
backgrounds
to get the most effective treatment it is necessary to factor in the
patient's race. (For instance, black people are more likely to
suffer
from prostate cancer and hypertension.)


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C01E0DC103...


It is no longer controversial amongst serious academics that blacks
have less intelligence than Orientals. Anyone with any doubts or who
is not aware of the consensus amongst serious scientists need only
type in "race and IQ" in any search engine. The facts about low black
IQ are suppressed by the popular media and the political
establishment, but there is no doubt that the "race-realists", -
those
who believe that the races differ in average intelligence, (which is
manifestly obvious to anyone who has interacted with other races)
have won the debate.


http://www.vdare.com/misc/051207_rushton_fallacy.htm


RACE AND CRIME.


Wherever they settle, blacks commit crime at a greater rate than
whites. The
statistics for black on white crime are censored by the establishment
media, more than any other collection of facts that shows blacks in a
negative light, (but not on the Internet). However, in the USA at
least, the FBI collects information on interracial crime, revealing
that of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every
year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites
commit 15 percent. Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to
commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times
more likely to commit robbery against a white than vice versa.


http://www.amren.com/newstore/cart.php?page=color_of_crime


The statistics for interracial rape are even more striking. Perhaps
the most dramatic contrast of all between the public perception that
is fostered by the establishment media for the consumption of the
white Mr and Mrs Puddingheads of the world, and the reality, is
revealed in the fact that, according to the FBI, in the United States
in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a
black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually
assaulted or raped by a white man. What this means is that every day
in the United States, over one hundred white women are raped or
sexually assaulted by a black man.


http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=28129


WHITE LIBERALS AND HYPOCRISY.


It will be observed that those white liberal/left fantasists who
reply
to this post will offer nothing of substance to deny what is said
above. In particular, they will offer no link to serious current
academic research that seems to show that the races have the same IQ,
nor will they describe a mechanism (genes, whatever), that brings
about racial equality in average IQ, but at the same time allows for
differences in athletic ability. mean stature, etcetera. They will
probably argue that the robbery statistics are more to do with poor
people (who happen to be black) robbing rich people (who happen to be
white). But most white victims of black violence are poor. Take a
look
at this.


http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=31704&video_id=313&q...


The wealthy "liberal" whites don't get mugged. They have all moved
out
to all-white areas of the country, they send their own children to
all-
white schools. There is even research into this phenomenom. Surprise
surprise, white liberals are hypocrites!


http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/12/surprise-surprise-highly-educated....
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 23:02:40 UTC
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Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
You are old and out of touch. you fucking old fool.
So yoiu are an ageist too?
It figures.
However, you are not really out of touch for you have never come even close
to touching it
Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
RACE AND IQ.
The Negro brain is, on average, 6 cubic inches smaller than the
Oriental brain, and 5 cubic inches smaller than the European brain.
It
has been shown that more intelligent people tend to have larger
brains.
Do you absorb all the propaganda - or just the bits that suit your, "isms"?
Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no1/jpr-taxonomic.html
Bruce Lahn is an American scientist who has discovered a gene for
brain size that is common amongst Orientals and white Europeans, but
virtually unknown amongst Negroes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/science/08cnd-brain.html?ex=1283832...
Genes for intelligence are in the process of being discovered.
Gregory
Cochran is another American scientist who has studied a gene for high
IQ that is most common in Jews, but is also associated with certain
types of genetic diseases that are most prevalent amongst Jews.
(Apart
from furnishing further proof that the races and even groups within
the same race are unequal in average intelligence, this shows that
the
idea of "race" or "ethnicity" is a medically useful concept.)
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/050605_iq.htm
Although liberal/left fantasists would wish the facts suppressed,
doctors and scientists seeking cures are finding that many diseases
have a genetic, racial, component (as with the Jewish diseases
mentioned above) and that for people from different racial
backgrounds
to get the most effective treatment it is necessary to factor in the
patient's race. (For instance, black people are more likely to
suffer
from prostate cancer and hypertension.)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C01E0DC103...
It is no longer controversial amongst serious academics that blacks
have less intelligence than Orientals. Anyone with any doubts or who
is not aware of the consensus amongst serious scientists need only
type in "race and IQ" in any search engine. The facts about low black
IQ are suppressed by the popular media and the political
establishment, but there is no doubt that the "race-realists", -
those
who believe that the races differ in average intelligence, (which is
manifestly obvious to anyone who has interacted with other races)
have won the debate.
http://www.vdare.com/misc/051207_rushton_fallacy.htm
RACE AND CRIME.
Wherever they settle, blacks commit crime at a greater rate than
whites. The
statistics for black on white crime are censored by the establishment
media, more than any other collection of facts that shows blacks in a
negative light, (but not on the Internet). However, in the USA at
least, the FBI collects information on interracial crime, revealing
that of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every
year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites
commit 15 percent. Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to
commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times
more likely to commit robbery against a white than vice versa.
http://www.amren.com/newstore/cart.php?page=color_of_crime
The statistics for interracial rape are even more striking. Perhaps
the most dramatic contrast of all between the public perception that
is fostered by the establishment media for the consumption of the
white Mr and Mrs Puddingheads of the world, and the reality, is
revealed in the fact that, according to the FBI, in the United States
in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a
black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually
assaulted or raped by a white man. What this means is that every day
in the United States, over one hundred white women are raped or
sexually assaulted by a black man.
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=28129
WHITE LIBERALS AND HYPOCRISY.
It will be observed that those white liberal/left fantasists who
reply
to this post will offer nothing of substance to deny what is said
above. In particular, they will offer no link to serious current
academic research that seems to show that the races have the same IQ,
nor will they describe a mechanism (genes, whatever), that brings
about racial equality in average IQ, but at the same time allows for
differences in athletic ability. mean stature, etcetera. They will
probably argue that the robbery statistics are more to do with poor
people (who happen to be black) robbing rich people (who happen to be
white). But most white victims of black violence are poor. Take a
look
at this.
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=31704&video_id=313&q...
The wealthy "liberal" whites don't get mugged. They have all moved
out
to all-white areas of the country, they send their own children to
all-
white schools. There is even research into this phenomenom. Surprise
surprise, white liberals are hypocrites!
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/12/surprise-surprise-highly-educated....
The above is the biggest load of rubbish I've seen since my vehicle got a
puncture on the road outside a local landfill site and they were bringing it
in there by the lorry load.
In the first place not all areas of the brain are used for the actual
thinking process.
Not all brains within any group of people have identical enlarged areas.
Like other parts of the body, exercising a body part, increases its size,
(though, in some cases, it burns up the excess fatty tissue and reduces the
part but increases the actual working part of it).
Hence the expression, "Fathead".
Then we have the simple fact that left and right handed people have
different areas of the brain that are enlarged.
As do manual workers and creative/artistic folks and/or thinkers such as
Einstein.
Your theories are riddled with many holes and do not hold water.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 20:46:58 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are
classed
as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The
number
of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first
language
to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out
of
a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those
children
are
British born and UK citizens.
Do you have a reference for this?
Any proof whatsoever will do.
Try the ONS, (Office of National Statistic) -
Oh yes, there, where we can find any six year old statistics
we like.
Nothing about present day britain.
I wonder whether they're scared to give and current facts.
Post by Robert Peffers
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/tsdtables1.asp?vlnk=cxnv
Now off you go and check it out.
Tell us, which of the former immigrant families did your lot come from?
Are you descended from before the Romans came to Southern Britain or from
when the Anglo,
Saxons came, or the Normans. Perhaps your lot came from Scotland,
Wales
or
Ireland.
If so then why are you so set against the other immigrants, like your
forbearers, who came to live in Britain?
As I say, I have traced my family two hundred years.
Didn't go any further.
They've paid an awful lot into this Country in that time.
Rightfully we call ourselves English.
Only 200 years! Bloody immigrant! You lot are all over the place now. Get
away back from whence you came.
Have you noticed that a great many of those newer immigrants are running
businesses and doing well?
Think of those Italian Chip-shops, Chinese, Italian, Spanish Restaurants.
Look at the Supermarket shelves and check out the makers names of the
ingredients made in Britain.
Not only that but they are financing and managing many Top English football
teams. Al Fayed has a big business empire too. The point is that incomers,
and incomers to any country, make that extra effort to set up and make a new
start. Then your own words hit a nail right on the head, "Rightfully we call
ourselves English". So also will the latest batch to arrive on these shores.
Who are you, a comparative newcomer, to stop them?
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).- Hide quoted text -
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What exactly is your personal gain from immigration? Don't say you
have not got one and are just high minded because it's never true with
people who put up arguments like yours.
I have nothing to gain whatsoever. I'm an old widower with a grown up family
who are all well set-up on their own. None of them are married to non-Scots
and, to the best of my knowledge none of them owe money as they all own
their homes, as do I. I started work right out of school and never had a
single days unemployment until I retired with a good pension and a little
good investment put by.
However, I attended school in what was then a thriving dockland and
international port. I thus knew, from an early age, people of many different
creeds, colours and ethnic backgrounds. Most, within a generation or two,
these were indistinguishable from any other Scot if you closed your eyes.
They were all human beings and lived the same way I lived. The went to the
same schools, shopped in the same shops, followed the same sports teams,
watched the same films, saw the same theatre shows and danced in the same
dancehalls. Mind you some of them did not go to the same churches, some were
not even Catholics or Protestants and some were even Jewish, Muslim or
Hindi. One thing, though, they were all human beings.

Oh! Aye! We had the odd racist nutter but we, generally sorted them out
quite soon. Then came the days of TV but by that time we were all just folks
living cheek by jowl and had not realised we were so very different one to
the other.

See! We just thought such diversity was the norm and we looked out for each
other, as good neighbours do, as best we could.
We did not do too badly either, some went on to be councilors and MPs and
one even became the Lord Provest of Scotland's capital city.
We had a World famous folk singer and a few top class footballers,. We had
all sorts from lawyers to street sweepers, (Aye, and mibbie the odd street
walker).

So remember that if you treat your fellow man/woman as you would like to be
treated yourself then they will usually treat you in similar fashion.
Now, did not some guy called Jesus Christ say something just like that?
So what was it again? Was it not, "Love thy neighbour as you love yourself"?
Aye! That was it - and the strange thing is the coloureds and ethnic
minority kids I grew up with all seemed to have something very much like
that in their own religious teachings.

One thing we didn't have among us, though was a Samaritan - neither good nor
bad. Strange that.
Strange too you should think I just had to have some ulterior motive just
because I'm not racist. What does that say about me?
More to the point --- What the hell does it say about YOU?
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Ivan
2007-10-04 21:58:08 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
I have nothing to gain whatsoever. I'm an old widower with a grown up
family who are all well set-up on their own. None of them are married to
non-Scots and, to the best of my knowledge none of them owe money as they
all own their homes, as do I. I started work right out of school and never
had a single days unemployment until I retired with a good pension and a
little good investment put by.
However, I attended school in what was then a thriving dockland and
international port. I thus knew, from an early age, people of many
different creeds, colours and ethnic backgrounds. Most, within a
generation or two, these were indistinguishable from any other Scot if you
closed your eyes. They were all human beings and lived the same way I
lived. The went to the same schools, shopped in the same shops, followed
the same sports teams, watched the same films, saw the same theatre shows
and danced in the same dancehalls. Mind you some of them did not go to the
same churches, some were not even Catholics or Protestants and some were
even Jewish, Muslim or Hindi. One thing, though, they were all human
beings.
Agreed immigration 'is good' for the country, just as long as the people of
this country are allowed to choose how many people we want to come here and
if the kind of skills they possess are required.

Wasn't it Samuel Johnson who said, 'My dear Boswell, there is all the
difference in the world between scratching ones arse and ripping themselves
to pieces!"
Post by Robert Peffers
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
M***@aol.com
2007-10-04 22:06:55 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Agreed immigration 'is good' for the country, just as long as the people of
this country are allowed to choose how many people we want to come here and
if the kind of skills they possess are required.>
And they would choose very few now given the choice. Maybe some fruit
pickers and dentists. But we are not going to get a choice. The EU
stunt has blocked that.
Ivan
2007-10-04 22:16:33 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Agreed immigration 'is good' for the country, just as long as the people of
this country are allowed to choose how many people we want to come here and
if the kind of skills they possess are required.>
And they would choose very few now given the choice. Maybe some fruit
pickers and dentists. But we are not going to get a choice. The EU
stunt has blocked that.
I've said it before though Mike, as a heart attack victim who was saved by
the efforts of an excellent German cardiac team, in a hospital which once
had a reputation for suffering from an above average mortality rate, I can't
complain.
However there is all the difference in the world between those kind of
people and say an HIV infected individual and his extended family arriving
here from a third world country, we have to draw the line somewhere.
Aramis Gunton
2007-10-04 21:10:07 UTC
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Post by M***@aol.com
What exactly is your personal gain from immigration?
Cheap labour. Pure and simple.

Do I want to pay £45.00+ per hour for menial workmanship or minimum
wage???

Er......... No contest really!!!

Especially as the immigrant usually has more 'hands on' experience than
the home grown tradesman who is forever bleating on about his "..
struggle to make ends meet..."

Do I give a fuck about his children or his mortgage????

Er..... DO I FUCK!!!!

I want my bits and pieces done pronto and I want to have change for
plenty of wine.

That said I do hope that the powers that be are working towards a
scenario wherein we can jettison the fucking polaks if they get
entrenched and commence the home grown wailing for more money.

Anyone know of a decent plumber in Africa??????
--
Aramis Gunton
Raven
2007-10-04 12:50:11 UTC
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Post by m***@googlemail.com
Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that age.
Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 13:36:58 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
Post by m***@googlemail.com
Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that age.
Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
Can these racists claim they are from other than immigrant stock from the
past?
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-04 18:57:51 UTC
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Post by Raven
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by m***@googlemail.com
Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that age.
Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
Can these racists claim they are from other than immigrant stock from the
past?
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
William Black
2007-10-04 20:00:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
Deliberately misleading statement.

In reality about 5% of our ancestors are from the original 'Brythonic'
inhabitants, as far as anyone can tell anyway.

About the same as the Anglo-Saxon influence.

Of course immigrants intermarry.

Something over 50% of people born in the UK who are members of ethnic
minorities marry outside their ethnic group.
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Joe
2007-10-04 20:49:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
Deliberately misleading statement.
In reality about 5% of our ancestors are from the original 'Brythonic'
inhabitants, as far as anyone can tell anyway.
About the same as the Anglo-Saxon influence.
Of course immigrants intermarry.
Something over 50% of people born in the UK who are members of ethnic
minorities marry outside their ethnic group.
It seems likely that the whole world is populated entirely by
immigrants, apart from a small valley in southern Africa, if you want to
go back far enough. That doesn't seem an entirely rational position to
take as regards social and political matters.

So if we're going to divide the country up into 'immigrants' and
'natives', then presumably we fix a length of time and a percentage of
genetic material as criteria. It is difficult to argue with the position
that those living in a country in which neither they nor their recent
ancestors were born are immigrants, and that those with a large
percentage of their genetic material dating back locally hundreds of
years are not.

So... where do you draw the line?

Or might you consider the factor of loyalties? Some people have achieved
loyalty to some degree to a group of humans larger than their
immediate family and circle of friends. Indeed, some see such loyalties
as a measure of civilisation, of social progress from the clan to the
tribe to the nation to.. what? One might ask if such higher loyalties
have any bearing on 'immigrant' status. Yes, it's Norman's Cricket Test,
but based a bit more widely than on a single sport.

If you feel no bond to the great majority of the population of the
country in which you live, but do feel some empathy with the population
of a different geographical region, can you be truly said to be a
citizen, no matter how long you have lived there? Conversely, if you
immerse yourself in a new country, working and socialising with those
who have always lived there, and feel more empathy with your new fellow
countrymen than those of your land of birth, can you really be
considered an immigrant, or as a new citizen? This test is much harder,
as there is no agreed objective measurement.

Though a willingness to learn the local language, and to insist your
children speak it fluently before they reach school age would go a long
way towards being such an objective test. Failing to do so would say
very clearly that you considered yourself and your family to be visitors
rather than residents.
William Black
2007-10-04 21:04:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Joe
Though a willingness to learn the local language, and to insist your
children speak it fluently before they reach school age would go a long
way towards being such an objective test. Failing to do so would say very
clearly that you considered yourself and your family to be visitors rather
than residents.
So in India, where people learn Hindi and English, which isn't the local
language anywhere much over there, they don't belong?
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-05 10:13:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
Deliberately misleading statement.
In reality about 5% of our ancestors are from the original 'Brythonic'
inhabitants, as far as anyone can tell anyway.
No. Read the post in another thread about genetics and the Aborigines.
William Black
2007-10-05 10:27:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
Deliberately misleading statement.
In reality about 5% of our ancestors are from the original 'Brythonic'
inhabitants, as far as anyone can tell anyway.
No. Read the post in another thread about genetics and the Aborigines.
I'm not chasing across half of Usenet to look at some bollocks someone made
up.

Post the evidence.
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-05 11:32:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
Deliberately misleading statement.
In reality about 5% of our ancestors are from the original 'Brythonic'
inhabitants, as far as anyone can tell anyway.
No. Read the post in another thread about genetics and the Aborigines.
I'm not chasing across half of Usenet to look at some bollocks someone made
up.
Post the evidence.
You nutters are a complete waste of time. Why say something is
"bollocks someone made up" when you obviously can't remember what it
is, and then say "post the evidence"? How would you know it's either
bollocks or evidence if you don't know what it is?
Post by William Black
From W. Sugar on White British children ...
English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest


By NICHOLAS WADE
Published: March 5, 2007


Britain and Ireland are so thoroughly divided in their histories that
there is no single word to refer to the inhabitants of both islands.
Historians teach that they are mostly descended from different
peoples: the Irish from the Celts, and the English from the Anglo-
Saxons who invaded from northern Europe and drove the Celts to the
country's western and northern fringes.


But geneticists who have tested DNA throughout the British Isles are
edging toward a different conclusion. Many are struck by the overall
genetic similarities, leading some to claim that both Britain and
Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people
that have remained in the majority, with only minor additions from
later invaders like Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and
Normans.


The implication that the Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh have a
great deal in common with each other, at least from the geneticist's
point of view, seems likely to please no one.


The genetic evidence is still under development, however, and because
only very rough dates can be derived from it, it is hard to weave
evidence from DNA, archaeology, history and linguistics into a
coherent picture of British and Irish origins.


That has not stopped the attempt. Stephen Oppenheimer, a medical
geneticist at the University of Oxford, says the historians' account
is wrong in almost every detail. In Dr. Oppenheimer's reconstruction
of events, the principal ancestors of today's British and Irish
populations arrived from Spain about 16,000 years ago, speaking a
language related to Basque.


The British Isles were unpopulated then, wiped clean of people by
glaciers that had smothered northern Europe for about 4,000 years and
forced the former inhabitants into southern refuges in Spain and
Italy. When the climate warmed and the glaciers retreated, people
moved back north.


The new arrivals in the British Isles would have found an empty
territory, which they could have reached just by walking along the
Atlantic coastline, since there were still land bridges then across
what are now English Channel and the Irish Sea.


This new population, who lived by hunting and gathering, survived a
sharp cold spell called the Younger Dryas that lasted from 12,300 to
11,000 years ago. Much later, some 6,000 years ago, agriculture
finally reached the British Isles from its birthplace in the Near
East.


Agriculture may have been introduced by people speaking Celtic, in
Dr.
Oppenheimer's view. Although the Celtic immigrants may have been few
in number, they spread their farming techniques and their language
throughout Ireland and the western coast of Britain. Later immigrants
arrived from northern Europe had more influence on the eastern and
southern coasts. They too spread their language, a branch of German,
but these invaders' numbers were also small compared with the local
population.


In all, about three-quarters of the ancestors of today's British and
Irish populations arrived between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago, when
rising sea levels finally divided Britain and Ireland from the
Continent and from one another, Dr. Oppenheimer calculates in a new
book, "The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective
Story" (Carroll
& Graf, 2006).


As for subsequent invaders, Ireland received the fewest; the
invaders'
DNA makes up about 12 percent of the Irish gene pool, Dr. Oppenheimer
estimates, but it accounts for 20 percent of the gene pool in Wales,
30 percent in Scotland, and about one-third in eastern and southern
England.


Still, no single group of invaders is responsible for more than 5
percent of the current gene pool, Dr. Oppenheimer says on the basis
of
genetic data.


He cites figures from the archaeologist Heinrich Haerke that the
Anglo-
Saxon invasions that began in the fourth century A.D. added about
250,000 people to a British population of one to two million, an
estimate Dr. Oppenheimer notes is larger than his but considerably
less than the substantial replacement of the English population
assumed by others. The Norman invasion of 1066 A.D. brought not many
more than 10,000 people, according to Dr. Haerke.


Other geneticists say Dr. Oppenheimer's reconstruction is plausible,
though some disagree with details. Several said that genetic methods
did not give precise enough dates to be confident of certain aspects,
like when the first settlers arrived.


"Once you have an established population, it is quite difficult to
change it very radically," said Daniel G. Bradley, a geneticist at
Trinity College, Dublin. But he said he was "quite agnostic" as to
whether the original population became established in Britain and
Ireland immediately after the glaciers retreated 16,000 years ago, as
Dr. Oppenheimer argues, or more recently, in the Neolithic Age, which
began 10,000 years ago.


Bryan Sykes, another Oxford geneticist, said he agreed with Dr.
Oppenheimer that the ancestors of "by far the majority of people"
were
present in the British Isles before the Roman conquest of A.D. 43.
"The Saxons, Vikings and Normans had a minor effect, and much less
than some of the medieval historical texts would indicate," he said.


His conclusions, based on his own genetic survey and information in
his genealogical testing service, Oxford Ancestors, are reported in
his new book, "Saxons, Vikings and Celts: The Genetic Roots of
Britain
and Ireland."


A different view of the Anglo-Saxon invasions has been developed by
Mark Thomas of University College, London. Dr. Thomas and colleagues
say the invaders wiped out substantial numbers of the indigenous
population, replacing 50 percent to 100 percent of those in central
England.


Their argument is that the Y chromosomes of English men seem
identical
to those of people in Norway and the Friesland area of the
Netherlands, two regions from which the invaders may have originated.


Dr. Oppenheimer disputes this, saying the similarity between the
English and northern European Y chromosomes arises because both
regions were repopulated by people from the Iberian refuges after the
glaciers retreated.


Dr. Sykes said he agreed with Dr. Oppenheimer on this point, but
another geneticist, Christopher Tyler-Smith of the Sanger Centre near
Cambridge, said the jury was still out. "There is not yet a consensus
view among geneticists, so the genetic story may well change," he
said. As to the identity of the first postglacial settlers, Dr.
Tyler-
Smith said he "would favor a Neolithic origin for the Y chromosomes,
although the evidence is still quite sketchy."


Dr. Oppenheimer's population history of the British Isles relies not
only on genetic data but also on the dating of language changes by
methods developed by geneticists. These are not generally accepted by
historical linguists, who long ago developed but largely rejected a
dating method known as glottochronology.


Geneticists have recently plunged into the field, arguing that
linguists have been too pessimistic and that advanced statistical
methods developed for dating genes can also be applied to languages.


Dr. Oppenheimer has relied on work by Peter Forster, a geneticist at
Anglia Ruskin University, to argue that Celtic is a much more ancient
language than supposed, and that Celtic speakers could have brought
knowledge of agriculture to Ireland, where it first appeared. He also
adopts Dr. Forster's argument, based on a statistical analysis of
vocabulary, that English is an ancient, fourth branch of the Germanic
language tree, and was spoken in England before the Roman invasion.


English is usually assumed to have developed in England, from the
language of the Angles and Saxons, about 1,500 years ago. But Dr.
Forster argues that the Angles and the Saxons were both really Viking
peoples who began raiding Britain ahead of the accepted historical
schedule. They did not bring their language to England because
English, in his view, was already spoken there, probably introduced
before the arrival of the Romans by tribes such as the Belgae, whom
Julius Caesar describes as being present on both sides of the
Channel.


The Belgae may have introduced some socially transforming technique,
such as iron-working, which would lead to their language supplanting
that of the indigenous inhabitants, but Dr. Forster said he had not
yet identified any specific innovation from the archaeological
record.


Germanic is usually assumed to have split into three branches: West
Germanic, which includes German and Dutch; East Germanic, the
language
of the Goths and Vandals; and North Germanic, consisting of the
Scandinavian languages. Dr. Forster's analysis shows English is not
an
off-shoot of West Germanic, as usually assumed, but is a branch
independent of the other three, which also implies a greater
antiquity. Germanic split into its four branches some 2,000 to 6,000
years ago, Dr. Forster estimates.


Historians have usually assumed that Celtic was spoken throughout
Britain when the Romans arrived. But Dr. Oppenheimer argues that the
absence of Celtic place names in England - words for places are
particularly durable - makes this unlikely.


If the people of the British Isles hold most of their genetic
heritage
in common, with their differences consisting only of a regional
flavoring of Celtic in the west and of northern European in the east,
might that perception draw them together? Geneticists see little
prospect that their findings will reduce cultural and political
differences.


The Celtic cultural myth "is very entrenched and has a lot to do with
the Scottish, Welsh and Irish identity; their main identifying
feature
is that they are not English," said Dr. Sykes, an Englishman who has
traced his Y chromosome and surname to an ancestor who lived in the
village of Flockton in Yorkshire in 1286.


Dr. Oppenheimer said genes "have no bearing on cultural history."
There is no significant genetic difference between the people of
Northern Ireland, yet they have been fighting with each other for 400
years, he said.


As for his thesis that the British and Irish are genetically much
alike, "It would be wonderful if it improved relations, but I somehow
think it won't."
William Black
2007-10-05 12:06:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Dr. Oppenheimer said genes "have no bearing on cultural history."
There is no significant genetic difference between the people of
Northern Ireland, yet they have been fighting with each other for 400
years, he said.
No problems with any of that.

People interbreed.
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 22:06:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Dr. Oppenheimer said genes "have no bearing on cultural history."
There is no significant genetic difference between the people of
Northern Ireland, yet they have been fighting with each other for 400
years, he said.
No problems with any of that.
People interbreed.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
So you just have the 5% figures that are proven fact arse for elbow?
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 22:05:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
Deliberately misleading statement.
In reality about 5% of our ancestors are from the original 'Brythonic'
inhabitants, as far as anyone can tell anyway.
No. Read the post in another thread about genetics and the Aborigines.
I'm not chasing across half of Usenet to look at some bollocks someone made
up.
Post the evidence.
You nutters are a complete waste of time. Why say something is
"bollocks someone made up" when you obviously can't remember what it
is, and then say "post the evidence"? How would you know it's either
bollocks or evidence if you don't know what it is?
Post by William Black
From W. Sugar on White British children ...
English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest
By NICHOLAS WADE
Published: March 5, 2007
Britain and Ireland are so thoroughly divided in their histories that
there is no single word to refer to the inhabitants of both islands.
Historians teach that they are mostly descended from different
peoples: the Irish from the Celts, and the English from the Anglo-
Saxons who invaded from northern Europe and drove the Celts to the
country's western and northern fringes.
But geneticists who have tested DNA throughout the British Isles are
edging toward a different conclusion. Many are struck by the overall
genetic similarities, leading some to claim that both Britain and
Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people
that have remained in the majority, with only minor additions from
later invaders like Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and
Normans.
The implication that the Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh have a
great deal in common with each other, at least from the geneticist's
point of view, seems likely to please no one.
The genetic evidence is still under development, however, and because
only very rough dates can be derived from it, it is hard to weave
evidence from DNA, archaeology, history and linguistics into a
coherent picture of British and Irish origins.
That has not stopped the attempt. Stephen Oppenheimer, a medical
geneticist at the University of Oxford, says the historians' account
is wrong in almost every detail. In Dr. Oppenheimer's reconstruction
of events, the principal ancestors of today's British and Irish
populations arrived from Spain about 16,000 years ago, speaking a
language related to Basque.
The British Isles were unpopulated then, wiped clean of people by
glaciers that had smothered northern Europe for about 4,000 years and
forced the former inhabitants into southern refuges in Spain and
Italy. When the climate warmed and the glaciers retreated, people
moved back north.
The new arrivals in the British Isles would have found an empty
territory, which they could have reached just by walking along the
Atlantic coastline, since there were still land bridges then across
what are now English Channel and the Irish Sea.
This new population, who lived by hunting and gathering, survived a
sharp cold spell called the Younger Dryas that lasted from 12,300 to
11,000 years ago. Much later, some 6,000 years ago, agriculture
finally reached the British Isles from its birthplace in the Near
East.
Agriculture may have been introduced by people speaking Celtic, in
Dr.
Oppenheimer's view. Although the Celtic immigrants may have been few
in number, they spread their farming techniques and their language
throughout Ireland and the western coast of Britain. Later immigrants
arrived from northern Europe had more influence on the eastern and
southern coasts. They too spread their language, a branch of German,
but these invaders' numbers were also small compared with the local
population.
In all, about three-quarters of the ancestors of today's British and
Irish populations arrived between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago, when
rising sea levels finally divided Britain and Ireland from the
Continent and from one another, Dr. Oppenheimer calculates in a new
book, "The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective
Story" (Carroll
& Graf, 2006).
As for subsequent invaders, Ireland received the fewest; the
invaders'
DNA makes up about 12 percent of the Irish gene pool, Dr. Oppenheimer
estimates, but it accounts for 20 percent of the gene pool in Wales,
30 percent in Scotland, and about one-third in eastern and southern
England.
Still, no single group of invaders is responsible for more than 5
percent of the current gene pool, Dr. Oppenheimer says on the basis
of
genetic data.
He cites figures from the archaeologist Heinrich Haerke that the
Anglo-
Saxon invasions that began in the fourth century A.D. added about
250,000 people to a British population of one to two million, an
estimate Dr. Oppenheimer notes is larger than his but considerably
less than the substantial replacement of the English population
assumed by others. The Norman invasion of 1066 A.D. brought not many
more than 10,000 people, according to Dr. Haerke.
Other geneticists say Dr. Oppenheimer's reconstruction is plausible,
though some disagree with details. Several said that genetic methods
did not give precise enough dates to be confident of certain aspects,
like when the first settlers arrived.
"Once you have an established population, it is quite difficult to
change it very radically," said Daniel G. Bradley, a geneticist at
Trinity College, Dublin. But he said he was "quite agnostic" as to
whether the original population became established in Britain and
Ireland immediately after the glaciers retreated 16,000 years ago, as
Dr. Oppenheimer argues, or more recently, in the Neolithic Age, which
began 10,000 years ago.
Bryan Sykes, another Oxford geneticist, said he agreed with Dr.
Oppenheimer that the ancestors of "by far the majority of people"
were
present in the British Isles before the Roman conquest of A.D. 43.
"The Saxons, Vikings and Normans had a minor effect, and much less
than some of the medieval historical texts would indicate," he said.
His conclusions, based on his own genetic survey and information in
his genealogical testing service, Oxford Ancestors, are reported in
his new book, "Saxons, Vikings and Celts: The Genetic Roots of
Britain
and Ireland."
A different view of the Anglo-Saxon invasions has been developed by
Mark Thomas of University College, London. Dr. Thomas and colleagues
say the invaders wiped out substantial numbers of the indigenous
population, replacing 50 percent to 100 percent of those in central
England.
Their argument is that the Y chromosomes of English men seem
identical
to those of people in Norway and the Friesland area of the
Netherlands, two regions from which the invaders may have originated.
Dr. Oppenheimer disputes this, saying the similarity between the
English and northern European Y chromosomes arises because both
regions were repopulated by people from the Iberian refuges after the
glaciers retreated.
Dr. Sykes said he agreed with Dr. Oppenheimer on this point, but
another geneticist, Christopher Tyler-Smith of the Sanger Centre near
Cambridge, said the jury was still out. "There is not yet a consensus
view among geneticists, so the genetic story may well change," he
said. As to the identity of the first postglacial settlers, Dr.
Tyler-
Smith said he "would favor a Neolithic origin for the Y chromosomes,
although the evidence is still quite sketchy."
Dr. Oppenheimer's population history of the British Isles relies not
only on genetic data but also on the dating of language changes by
methods developed by geneticists. These are not generally accepted by
historical linguists, who long ago developed but largely rejected a
dating method known as glottochronology.
Geneticists have recently plunged into the field, arguing that
linguists have been too pessimistic and that advanced statistical
methods developed for dating genes can also be applied to languages.
Dr. Oppenheimer has relied on work by Peter Forster, a geneticist at
Anglia Ruskin University, to argue that Celtic is a much more ancient
language than supposed, and that Celtic speakers could have brought
knowledge of agriculture to Ireland, where it first appeared. He also
adopts Dr. Forster's argument, based on a statistical analysis of
vocabulary, that English is an ancient, fourth branch of the Germanic
language tree, and was spoken in England before the Roman invasion.
English is usually assumed to have developed in England, from the
language of the Angles and Saxons, about 1,500 years ago. But Dr.
Forster argues that the Angles and the Saxons were both really Viking
peoples who began raiding Britain ahead of the accepted historical
schedule. They did not bring their language to England because
English, in his view, was already spoken there, probably introduced
before the arrival of the Romans by tribes such as the Belgae, whom
Julius Caesar describes as being present on both sides of the
Channel.
The Belgae may have introduced some socially transforming technique,
such as iron-working, which would lead to their language supplanting
that of the indigenous inhabitants, but Dr. Forster said he had not
yet identified any specific innovation from the archaeological
record.
Germanic is usually assumed to have split into three branches: West
Germanic, which includes German and Dutch; East Germanic, the
language
of the Goths and Vandals; and North Germanic, consisting of the
Scandinavian languages. Dr. Forster's analysis shows English is not
an
off-shoot of West Germanic, as usually assumed, but is a branch
independent of the other three, which also implies a greater
antiquity. Germanic split into its four branches some 2,000 to 6,000
years ago, Dr. Forster estimates.
Historians have usually assumed that Celtic was spoken throughout
Britain when the Romans arrived. But Dr. Oppenheimer argues that the
absence of Celtic place names in England - words for places are
particularly durable - makes this unlikely.
If the people of the British Isles hold most of their genetic
heritage
in common, with their differences consisting only of a regional
flavoring of Celtic in the west and of northern European in the east,
might that perception draw them together? Geneticists see little
prospect that their findings will reduce cultural and political
differences.
The Celtic cultural myth "is very entrenched and has a lot to do with
the Scottish, Welsh and Irish identity; their main identifying
feature
is that they are not English," said Dr. Sykes, an Englishman who has
traced his Y chromosome and surname to an ancestor who lived in the
village of Flockton in Yorkshire in 1286.
Dr. Oppenheimer said genes "have no bearing on cultural history."
There is no significant genetic difference between the people of
Northern Ireland, yet they have been fighting with each other for 400
years, he said.
As for his thesis that the British and Irish are genetically much
alike, "It would be wonderful if it improved relations, but I somehow
think it won't."
And the evidence is that the above is utter rubbish. In any case the matter
of which country you feel you belong to has nothing whatsoever to do with
genetics. It is cultural, and only cultural.
There is no doubt that the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Wales,
Scotland and England all have cultural differences, (to some degree). There
are even cultural differences within each country. Those from London, for
example, think everyone north of the Watford Gap are foreigners. In Scotland
there is great diversity, Borders, Lowlands and Highlands but sun-divided
also with Say, Edinburgh and Glasgow like chalk and cheese. East Coast
Scotland is quite different from West Coast Scotland too. Wales has at least
three distinct areas too. However, they do, mostly, still identify with
their country of birth. Having said that the English, for the most part,
often think England, the UK and Great Britain all synonymous. However, they
are not.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 21:54:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by William Black
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
Deliberately misleading statement.
In reality about 5% of our ancestors are from the original 'Brythonic'
inhabitants, as far as anyone can tell anyway.
No. Read the post in another thread about genetics and the Aborigines.
I'm not chasing across half of Usenet to look at some bollocks someone
made up.
Post the evidence.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Lazy bugger we have been posting it for yonks. Go do your own bloody
research.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 21:52:35 UTC
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Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
Deliberately misleading statement.
In reality about 5% of our ancestors are from the original 'Brythonic'
inhabitants, as far as anyone can tell anyway.
No. Read the post in another thread about genetics and the Aborigines.
You are right - the gene testing shows less than 5% of Britons are actually
Anglo Saxon and, as this percentage rises in fairly locallised areas to 15%
it means actual Anglo Saxons are quite thin on the ground.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 21:33:02 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that age.
Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
Can these racists claim they are from other than immigrant stock from the
past?
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
So what if those Grandparents were Anglo Saxon, Friesian, Jutes, Franks,
Romans, Normans or Viking stock?
You did know that the Aboriginals were pretty much dark haired or red heads?
The Viking lot were fair, or red by a majority.
What was to become England was invader by first the Romans then Angles,
Jutes, Saxons, Friesians, Franks, Vikings and Normans - and probably the
odd one or two others.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-05 10:12:49 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that age.
Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
Can these racists claim they are from other than immigrant stock from the
past?
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
So what if those Grandparents were Anglo Saxon, Friesian, Jutes, Franks,
Romans, Normans or Viking stock?
You did know that the Aboriginals were pretty much dark haired or red heads?
Nonsense. Read the post about genetics and the Aborigines in another
thread.
Post by Robert Peffers
The Viking lot were fair, or red by a majority.
What was to become England was invader by first the Romans then Angles,
Jutes, Saxons, Friesians, Franks, Vikings and Normans - and probably the
odd one or two others.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
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2007-10-06 21:49:42 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are
classed
as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The
number
of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first
language
to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out
of
a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those
children
are
British born and UK citizens.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that age.
Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
Can these racists claim they are from other than immigrant stock from the
past?
Apparently most people who had grandparents in this country are of
aboriginal stock.
So what if those Grandparents were Anglo Saxon, Friesian, Jutes, Franks,
Romans, Normans or Viking stock?
You did know that the Aboriginals were pretty much dark haired or red heads?
Nonsense. Read the post about genetics and the Aborigines in another
thread.
Post by Robert Peffers
The Viking lot were fair, or red by a majority.
What was to become England was invader by first the Romans then Angles,
Jutes, Saxons, Friesians, Franks, Vikings and Normans - and probably the
odd one or two others.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
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Why would I need to read someone else's thoughts?

The facts are that there was no known human life in the British Isles until
the last Ice-Age receding of the ice. If there had been any the Ice wiped
the traces away.

This definition comes from Wikipedia -
________________________________
An ice age is a period of long-term reduction in the temperature of Earth's
climate, resulting in an expansion of the continental ice sheets, polar ice
sheets and mountain glaciers. Glaciologically, ice age is often used to mean
a period of ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres; by this
definition we are still in an ice age (because the Greenland and Antarctic
ice sheets still exist). More colloquially, when speaking of the last few
million years, ice age is used to refer to colder periods with extensive ice
sheets over the North American and Eurasian continents: in this sense, the
most recent ice age ended about 10,000 years ago.from the
-----------------------------------------------------------

So the original people to inhabit Britain were thought to have crossed what
is now the Channel and spread north overland.
This was utter bunk and recent genetic testing has proved it so.
Not only that but the fondly held beliefs of the colonising of Britain have
been found to be utter rubbish in the light of fairly recent discoveries.

A dig in Inverness found a very thin layer of white sand which indicated
that there had been a sudden influx of the sea. Carbon dating placed this at
the time when the rock barrier that kept the cold Arctic waters out of the
North Sea were breached. This allowed the cold Arctic waters to flow round
Scotland and head off across the Atlantic Ocean to be warmed in the other
side of the World. So began the flow of cold water that still circulates
round our coasts and is replaced by warmer water from the other side of the
World - The Gulf stream. Only then did life become viable in the British
Isles. Not only that but the former low lying land that was inhabited was
inundated by those same Arctic waters flowing into the North Sea. That low
lying land was, "Doggerland", and a fairly recent discovery by a fishing
boat skipper of a large lump of peat containing flint tools was checked out
by a UK University as being around the same time and the sand layer at
Inverness. However, the British Isles was just rising up at that time and
the volcanic cores all over the UK can be dated to prove that fact. Add to
this that a dig in the North of, what is now, England at a place called,
"Howick", found that the Hunter/Gatherer first inhabitants were not so much
nomadic as was first thought. The Howick dig found that there was a very
large settlement for a long established period there. In fact there was
remains on top of remain - on top of remains and so on. It had been there a
very long time and can be dated to the same time as the Inverness sea
incursion and thus when Doggerland was sinking beneath the North Sea. Now
for the clincher - The Howick settlement was within sight of Doggerland at
less than 25 miles. The sinking Doggerland, (The Dogger Bank), linked the
European Continent to, (the emerging from the sea), British Isles. The
conclusion can only be that the first people to inhabit the British Isles
were the former inhabitants of Doggerland. Later immigrants, too, did not,
as was first though, come over the land bridge of what is now the Channel
for in those days it was almost impassable, rough and overgrown land, (where
did you think all those coal fields came from)? The superhighways of the day
were the seas and the waterways. Genetic testing shows that the people of
the UK came from Africa, via the Mediterranean, Spain and Portugal and up
both SHORES of the British Isles.

So right from the start, the Britons, due to the Ice age, came from
elsewhere and that elsewhere was the area of Doggerland - these were the
aboriginals of the British Isles and these are the original genes they are
finding those who thought they were Anglo Saxons actually share throughout
the United Kingdom.

See here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6584011.stm
for information on Doggerland
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Ivan
2007-10-04 15:29:34 UTC
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And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that age.
Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to introduce the
'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into something to be known as
"community cohesion"... Why didn't they just go the whole hog and set up a
complete department.. 'The Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort
of Stalinist era ring to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree
with the government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.


"From this month, schools face closure unless they promote race
relations and links between different religious groups as part of new
laws governing "community cohesion".

Nick Johnson, the CRE director of policy, said segregated schools were
a "ticking time bomb".

Figures show that even in some of the most ethnically mixed towns and
cities in England, schools are divided along racial lines."

In Blackburn, more than a fifth of the population Asian but many
children have little opportunity to mix with white pupils. Four out of
nine secondary schools in the area attract more than 90 per cent of
students from a single ethnic background, figures from the Tories
show.

In Bradford, the scene of race riots in 2001, almost all pupils at 10
out of 28 secondary schools were from the same racial group last year."

Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
John of Aix
2007-10-04 18:52:03 UTC
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Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-04 19:06:44 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off.
Oh good.
Post by John of Aix
Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
(Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet.
Oh I'm all for diversity. Unfortunately the world is getting less
diverse. A couple of years ago there was a published the face of the
future inhabitants of England - uniformly brownish with brown hair and
brown eyes. Not much diversity there! I believe we should try and
conserve the redheads and the blue-eyed blonds, for the sake of
diversity.
Post by John of Aix
Racists, like yourself,
Oh you are in a muddle! It's racists such as yourself who are kicking
and screaming when anyone wants to safeguard a race.
Post by John of Aix
are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
Seems rather a good description of you. You're rattled. You're being
challenged and deep down you don't like it because you know you've
been wrong all your life but can't admit it to yourself, so you
deflect attention from yourself to the messenger.
Post by John of Aix
the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them.
Erm I think the only people the race-realists attack are the
government and their hangers-on.
Post by John of Aix
Get a life.-
Get a new turn of phrase - cliches don't work and they reveal a sad
lack of the capacity for original thought.
John of Aix
2007-10-04 19:32:40 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard
once; 'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just
took the time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who
will tear that thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era
ring to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off.
Oh good.
Post by John of Aix
Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
(Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive
No they don't.
Really, have you informed the medical profession of this fact (leaving
aside the permanently contripated of course)
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All
the world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet.
Oh I'm all for diversity. Unfortunately the world is getting less
diverse. A couple of years ago there was a published the face of the
future inhabitants of England - uniformly brownish with brown hair and
brown eyes. Not much diversity there! I believe we should try and
conserve the redheads and the blue-eyed blonds, for the sake of
diversity.
The UK has been therer for a while, it is still there. there are blonds,
redheaéd, brunettes, dark skinned, fair skinned, frecckled etc. What's
you problem?
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Racists, like yourself,
Oh you are in a muddle! It's racists such as yourself who are kicking
and screaming when anyone wants to safeguard a race.
There is no such thing as race.
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
Seems rather a good description of you.
Oh really, I come here complaing about other peoples do I? Could you
provide a link please.
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
You're rattled. You're being
challenged and deep down you don't like it because you know you've
been wrong all your life but can't admit it to yourself, so you
deflect attention from yourself to the messenger.
Yes dear.
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them.
Erm I think the only people the race-realists attack are the
government and their hangers-on.
Bwahahahahaha. Invented a new description to make your pathetic views
look more serious have you? I repeat, bwahahahaha
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Get a life.-
Get a new turn of phrase - cliches don't work and they reveal a sad
lack of the capacity for original thought.
Yes dear

You're pathetic lad, get a fucking life
Aramis Gunton
2007-10-04 21:27:08 UTC
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Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Oh you are in a muddle! It's racists such as yourself who are kicking
and screaming when anyone wants to safeguard a race.
There is no such thing as race.
http://tinyurl.com/2ovpsj
"I did indeed. There is a vast difference between a society that
categorizes
and victimizes people because of race and a society that puts down its
internal rebels as Iraq has."
--
Aramis Gunton
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-05 10:47:28 UTC
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John of Aix
2007-10-05 21:28:29 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard
once; 'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just
took the time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who
will tear that thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era
ring to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off.
Oh good.
Post by John of Aix
Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
(Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive
No they don't.
Really, have you informed the medical profession of this fact
(leaving aside the permanently contripated of course)
What's constipation got to do with sex drive?
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All
the world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their
colour, habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the
fantastic diversity of our planet.
Oh I'm all for diversity. Unfortunately the world is getting less
diverse. A couple of years ago there was a published the face of
the future inhabitants of England - uniformly brownish with brown
hair and brown eyes. Not much diversity there! I believe we
should try and conserve the redheads and the blue-eyed blonds, for
the sake of diversity.
The UK has been therer for a while, it is still there. there are
blonds, redheaéd, brunettes, dark skinned, fair skinned, frecckled
etc. What's you problem?
Got a comprehension problem have you? The point of the thread is the
decline in the Aboriginal population.
Bwahahahahaha. Sorry sunshine but there is no one in the UK that is
'aboriginal' unles of course you happen to have a couple of Neandertahls
down your street.
Eventually, as I explained but
you didn't understand, there will be far less diversity than there is
now.
No there won't, there is far more diversity in the UK and most other
countries than there was 50 or a 100 years ago simply because there are
immigrants from other countries who breed with those already there.
That's the way the world (and indeed nature generally) works don't you
know.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Racists, like yourself,
Oh you are in a muddle! It's racists such as yourself who are
kicking and screaming when anyone wants to safeguard a race.
There is no such thing as race.
What are the 'racists' you refer to then?
Those who believe in race and think that theirs is better than others.
Try a dictionary next time instead of asking stupid questions here.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and
logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal
Seems rather a good description of you.
Oh really, I come here complaing about other peoples do I? Could you
provide a link please.
You are poor, frightened and cannot deal with the world in an
intelligent and logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats - yours in
the form of some mythical 'racists' which are purely in your
imagination because you have just said there's no such thing as race.
I don't have to believe in race to know that there are racists. Did you
get any education at all in school? You racists are quite concrete, you
exist and prove it constantly by filling these groups with your
ignorant bollocks, there is nothing 'mythical' about you.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
You're rattled. You're being
challenged and deep down you don't like it because you know you've
been wrong all your life but can't admit it to yourself, so you
deflect attention from yourself to the messenger.
Yes dear.
Yes.
Yes dear. Now do try and get a life before death stops you.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them.
Erm I think the only people the race-realists attack are the
government and their hangers-on.
Bwahahahahaha. Invented a new description to make your pathetic views
look more serious have you? I repeat, bwahahahaha
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Get a life.-
Get a new turn of phrase - cliches don't work and they reveal a sad
lack of the capacity for original thought.
Yes dear
Yes.
Yes dear, now get a life please.
Post by John of Aix
You're pathetic lad,
Whoops! Just revealed more of your prejudices!
What, you think it is prejudice to recognize a fuckwit and say so? I'll
ask you again, did you get any education when you were at school?

You're pathetic lad, and I mean 'pathetic' in its real sense (try the
dictionary to find out what it means as you don't seem to know much
about anything).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 22:30:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by John of Aix
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard
once; 'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just
took the time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who
will tear that thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era
ring to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off.
Oh good.
Post by John of Aix
Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
(Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive
No they don't.
Really, have you informed the medical profession of this fact
(leaving aside the permanently contripated of course)
What's constipation got to do with sex drive?
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All
the world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their
colour, habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the
fantastic diversity of our planet.
Oh I'm all for diversity. Unfortunately the world is getting less
diverse. A couple of years ago there was a published the face of
the future inhabitants of England - uniformly brownish with brown
hair and brown eyes. Not much diversity there! I believe we
should try and conserve the redheads and the blue-eyed blonds, for
the sake of diversity.
The UK has been therer for a while, it is still there. there are
blonds, redheaéd, brunettes, dark skinned, fair skinned, frecckled
etc. What's you problem?
Got a comprehension problem have you? The point of the thread is the
decline in the Aboriginal population.
Bwahahahahaha. Sorry sunshine but there is no one in the UK that is
'aboriginal' unles of course you happen to have a couple of Neandertahls
down your street.
Aw! Naw!
The bloody idiot thinks there were Neandearthals in the British
Isles?????????

The Neanderthal was a species of the Homo genus that inhabited Europe and
parts of western Asia.
The first proto-Neanderthal traits appeared in Europe as early as 350,000
years ago.
By 130,000 years ago, full blown Neanderthal characteristics had appeared
and by 50,000 years ago, Neanderthals disappeared from Asia, although they
did not reach extinction in Europe until 33,000 to 24,000 years ago, perhaps
15,000 years after Homo sapiens had migrated into Europe.

Now the British Isles were NOT inhabited until between 12,000 and 10,000
years age.
There never were Neanderthals in Britain.
The aboriginals, (the original inhabitants), were hunter gatherers, now
known to have come from the area flooded when the cold Arctic waters flooded
into the North Sea. That area was Doggerland and is now under the North Sea.
There were eventually many other tribes than the Picts, or Pictii, but the
Romans lumped them all together and called them Picts. Over 70% of the
people now inhabiting the UK are from that original British stock and there
are less than 5% actually descended from the immigrant Angles, Saxons,
Jutes, Friedians and Franks.
Your not really too good at this history thing, are you?
Post by John of Aix
Eventually, as I explained but
you didn't understand, there will be far less diversity than there is
now.
No there won't, there is far more diversity in the UK and most other
countries than there was 50 or a 100 years ago simply because there are
immigrants from other countries who breed with those already there. That's
the way the world (and indeed nature generally) works don't you know.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Racists, like yourself,
Oh you are in a muddle! It's racists such as yourself who are
kicking and screaming when anyone wants to safeguard a race.
There is no such thing as race.
What are the 'racists' you refer to then?
Those who believe in race and think that theirs is better than others. Try
a dictionary next time instead of asking stupid questions here.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and
logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal
Seems rather a good description of you.
Oh really, I come here complaing about other peoples do I? Could you
provide a link please.
You are poor, frightened and cannot deal with the world in an
intelligent and logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats - yours in
the form of some mythical 'racists' which are purely in your
imagination because you have just said there's no such thing as race.
I don't have to believe in race to know that there are racists. Did you
get any education at all in school? You racists are quite concrete, you
exist and prove it constantly by filling these groups with your ignorant
bollocks, there is nothing 'mythical' about you.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
You're rattled. You're being
challenged and deep down you don't like it because you know you've
been wrong all your life but can't admit it to yourself, so you
deflect attention from yourself to the messenger.
Yes dear.
Yes.
Yes dear. Now do try and get a life before death stops you.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them.
Erm I think the only people the race-realists attack are the
government and their hangers-on.
Bwahahahahaha. Invented a new description to make your pathetic views
look more serious have you? I repeat, bwahahahaha
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Get a life.-
Get a new turn of phrase - cliches don't work and they reveal a sad
lack of the capacity for original thought.
Yes dear
Yes.
Yes dear, now get a life please.
Post by John of Aix
You're pathetic lad,
Whoops! Just revealed more of your prejudices!
What, you think it is prejudice to recognize a fuckwit and say so? I'll
ask you again, did you get any education when you were at school?
You're pathetic lad, and I mean 'pathetic' in its real sense (try the
dictionary to find out what it means as you don't seem to know much about
anything).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 22:13:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard
once; 'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just
took the time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who
will tear that thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era
ring to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off.
Oh good.
Post by John of Aix
Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
(Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive
No they don't.
Really, have you informed the medical profession of this fact (leaving
aside the permanently contripated of course)
What's constipation got to do with sex drive?
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All
the world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet.
Oh I'm all for diversity. Unfortunately the world is getting less
diverse. A couple of years ago there was a published the face of the
future inhabitants of England - uniformly brownish with brown hair and
brown eyes. Not much diversity there! I believe we should try and
conserve the redheads and the blue-eyed blonds, for the sake of
diversity.
The UK has been therer for a while, it is still there. there are blonds,
redheaéd, brunettes, dark skinned, fair skinned, frecckled etc. What's
you problem?
Got a comprehension problem have you? The point of the thread is the
decline in the Aboriginal population. Eventually, as I explained but
you didn't understand, there will be far less diversity than there is
now.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Racists, like yourself,
Oh you are in a muddle! It's racists such as yourself who are kicking
and screaming when anyone wants to safeguard a race.
There is no such thing as race.
What are the 'racists' you refer to then?
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
Seems rather a good description of you.
Oh really, I come here complaing about other peoples do I? Could you
provide a link please.
You are poor, frightened and cannot deal with the world in an
intelligent and logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats - yours in
the form of some mythical 'racists' which are purely in your
imagination because you have just said there's no such thing as race.
Exactly, there is no such thing as race.
Which is exactly the point of why those who claim there is are called,
"Racists".
For another example we know, from science, that there is no such thing as a
World Created by a God and theose who say there is are called,
"Creationists"
There is no such thing as a flat Earth and those who claim there is are
called, "Flat Earthists"

You are not very good at this comprehension thing - are you?
And as for your logic - Well!
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
You're rattled. You're being
challenged and deep down you don't like it because you know you've
been wrong all your life but can't admit it to yourself, so you
deflect attention from yourself to the messenger.
Yes dear.
Yes.
Post by John of Aix
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them.
Erm I think the only people the race-realists attack are the
government and their hangers-on.
Bwahahahahaha. Invented a new description to make your pathetic views
look more serious have you? I repeat, bwahahahaha
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Get a life.-
Get a new turn of phrase - cliches don't work and they reveal a sad
lack of the capacity for original thought.
Yes dear
Yes.
Post by John of Aix
You're pathetic lad,
Whoops! Just revealed more of your prejudices!
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 21:21:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off.
Oh good.
Post by John of Aix
Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
(Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet.
Oh I'm all for diversity. Unfortunately the world is getting less
diverse. A couple of years ago there was a published the face of the
future inhabitants of England - uniformly brownish with brown hair and
brown eyes. Not much diversity there! I believe we should try and
conserve the redheads and the blue-eyed blonds, for the sake of
diversity.
Post by John of Aix
Racists, like yourself,
Oh you are in a muddle! It's racists such as yourself who are kicking
and screaming when anyone wants to safeguard a race.
Post by John of Aix
are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
Seems rather a good description of you. You're rattled. You're being
challenged and deep down you don't like it because you know you've
been wrong all your life but can't admit it to yourself, so you
deflect attention from yourself to the messenger.
Post by John of Aix
the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them.
Erm I think the only people the race-realists attack are the
government and their hangers-on.
Post by John of Aix
Get a life.-
Get a new turn of phrase - cliches don't work and they reveal a sad
lack of the capacity for original thought.
And \you thing \your thinking is fresh and new?
Did you ever actually read the Bible like a novel?
Full of racist tales it is, well that and all that begatting stuff.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-05 10:49:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off.
Oh good.
Post by John of Aix
Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
(Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive
No they don't.
Post by John of Aix
given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet.
Oh I'm all for diversity. Unfortunately the world is getting less
diverse. A couple of years ago there was a published the face of the
future inhabitants of England - uniformly brownish with brown hair and
brown eyes. Not much diversity there! I believe we should try and
conserve the redheads and the blue-eyed blonds, for the sake of
diversity.
Post by John of Aix
Racists, like yourself,
Oh you are in a muddle! It's racists such as yourself who are kicking
and screaming when anyone wants to safeguard a race.
Post by John of Aix
are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
Seems rather a good description of you. You're rattled. You're being
challenged and deep down you don't like it because you know you've
been wrong all your life but can't admit it to yourself, so you
deflect attention from yourself to the messenger.
Post by John of Aix
the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them.
Erm I think the only people the race-realists attack are the
government and their hangers-on.
Post by John of Aix
Get a life.-
Get a new turn of phrase - cliches don't work and they reveal a sad
lack of the capacity for original thought.
And \you thing \your thinking is fresh and new?
Did you ever actually read the Bible like a novel?
Full of racist tales it is, well that and all that begatting stuff.
Pardon? The Bible? Why on earth should I want to read the Bible?
John of Aix
2007-10-05 21:32:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Pardon? The Bible? Why on earth should I want to read the Bible?
Because that is what Western culture is based on. You don't have to
believe it or subscribe to the religions that believe it but to not have
read it shows that you lack a fundamental intelligence about the society
you live in, which explains an awful lot about why you spout such
nonsense.
s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-10-04 18:58:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
Well said.
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The Boss
2007-10-04 21:26:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?) living in FRANCE.
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and sundry are you
too stupid to understand?
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to decide who
comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to understand??
--
The Boss
Robert Peffers
2007-10-05 00:56:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Boss
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?) living in FRANCE.
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and sundry are
you too stupid to understand?
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to decide who
comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to understand??
--
The Boss
The part that says the vast majority gets their way and YOU are not one of
that vast majority on this issue.
Thus your say counts for nothing unless you can drum up more support for
your point of view.
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-05 10:52:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?) living in FRANCE.
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and sundry are
you too stupid to understand?
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to decide who
comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to understand??
--
The Boss
The part that says the vast majority gets their way and YOU are not one of
that vast majority on this issue.
Accordingly to opinion polls, most people don't want mass
immigration. It's you who are out of the mainstream.
Post by Robert Peffers
Thus your say counts for nothing unless you can drum up more support for
your point of view.-
Thus your say counts for nothing.
John of Aix
2007-10-05 21:18:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@freeispshares.co.uk
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world
pisses and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world
bleeds if you cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to
them by nature to continue the species,all the world seeks to
have a happy life. All the world is fundamentally exactly the
same as you are, their colour, habits, tastes etc are just
another fine example of the fantastic diversity of our planet.
Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened people who cannot
deal with their world in an intelligent and logical way,
constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard
down the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?) living in FRANCE.
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and
sundry are you too stupid to understand?
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to
decide who comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to
understand??
The part that says the vast majority gets their way and YOU are not
one of that vast majority on this issue.
Accordingly to opinion polls, most people don't want mass
immigration. It's you who are out of the mainstream.
The Labour party has been elected twice (or is it three times) in a row.
Elections elect governments, opinion polls just fill up newspapers and
are absolutely without any constitutional value. You racists are a tiny
minority whatever you believe so stop your wailing or work to make one
of the daft right wing parties a major force if you believe in that
shit, until then you'll remain a tiny minority.
The Boss
2007-10-06 20:52:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?) living in FRANCE.
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and sundry are
you too stupid to understand?
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to decide
who comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to understand??
--
The Boss
The part that says the vast majority gets their way and YOU are not one of
that vast majority on this issue.
Once again, you provide no PROOF, you vacuous windbag.
--
The Boss
Robert Peffers
2007-10-07 01:18:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?) living in FRANCE.
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and sundry are
you too stupid to understand?
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to decide
who comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to understand??
--
The Boss
The part that says the vast majority gets their way and YOU are not one
of that vast majority on this issue.
Once again, you provide no PROOF, you vacuous windbag.
--
The Boss
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and they
do not hold your views.
What other proof is needed than every racist party that ran in the last
election were rejected as loonies by the great British public - THE MAJORITY
VOTED against your kind of views you bloody glaikit gomeril.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
m***@my-deja.com
2007-10-07 06:33:05 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and they
do not hold your views.
No, they were elected by 22% of the voters and, if I remember
correctly, would not have won the election were it not for the
Scottish votes; the English are under the control of Scottish
politicians who hold power because of Scots who have a separate
Parliament. I think you'll find that they're getting more and more
pissed off with the Scots trying to tell them what to do while
demanding that they are allowed to run their own lives with their own
Parliament.

Personally I got so fed up with seeing England turning into a foreign
country under Scottish rule that I decided I might as well move to a
foreign country with better prospects for the future. I see things
have only got worse since I left.

Mark
Robert Peffers
2007-10-07 19:54:52 UTC
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Post by m***@my-deja.com
Post by Robert Peffers
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and they
do not hold your views.
No, they were elected by 22% of the voters and,
So you do not understand how it works, now there is a surprise.
It is first past the post and there are several parties all gaining votes.
It is not just "them", and, "those".
Post by m***@my-deja.com
if I remember
correctly,
You do not remember correctly, though.
Post by m***@my-deja.com
would not have won the election were it not for the
Scottish votes;
Utter rubbish - here are the correct figures -
English MPs - 533
Welsh - 40.
Scottish - 59.
N.I. - 18.
That is 650 in Total.
As to the parties numbers - these are -
Labour - 353.
Independent Labour - 1.
Lib/Dem - 63.
PC, (Welsh) - 3.
Tory - 195.
Democratic Unionist. 9.
Respect - 1.
SNP - 6.
SF (Ireland) - 5.
SDL - 3.
Ulster Unionist - 1.
Speaker + deputies - 4.
Independent - 1.
The current Labour working Majority is thus 69.
That means, even without the, Scottish *** Labour *** members Labour Party
still has a majority.
Post by m***@my-deja.com
the English are under the control of Scottish
politicians who hold power because of Scots who have a separate
Parliament.
Rubbish once again as there are a total of 533 English MPs in parliament and
only 59 Scots the English outvote everybody else put together.
Post by m***@my-deja.com
I think you'll find that they're getting more and more
pissed off with the Scots trying to tell them what to do while
demanding that they are allowed to run their own lives with their own
Parliament.
No, Little Dear, how stupid to blame the 59 Scots for the simple fact that
those 533 English MPs have not campaigned for an English Parliamen of their
own
Ever wondered why?
Post by m***@my-deja.com
Personally I got so fed up with seeing England turning into a foreign
country under Scottish rule that I decided I might as well move to a
foreign country with better prospects for the future. I see things
have only got worse since I left.
What stupidity - how on Earth can 59 Scots MP ever dominate 533 English MPs
at the UK Westminster Parliament?
They could outvote them any time they wished.
So if that was your only reason for bailing out you were very much in error
and incredibly stupid.>
Post by m***@my-deja.com
Mark
Here is a little dose of reality for you.
England has no parliament because England does not want her own parliament.
With both their number of voters and their number of MPs they could have it
if, and when, they wanted it.
As they do not have their own parliament by their own choice they will not,
by law, get away with turning the UNITED KINGDOM parliament into that of
ENGLAND.

Now, because they do not have their own parliament, they do not get a block
grant.
So are financed as, "The United Kingdom", for everyone else has to finance
their country from within their own, capped, block grants.
Thus those UK figures you read about are ENGLISH only figures but the
funding comes right out of the UNITED KINGDOM's purse, and it is not capped.

That means every single item that is debated at Westminster is the business
of every one of the UNITED KINGDOM's MPs for it is funded from their UNITED
KINGDOM's funds.
The only people stopping the English from having their own parliament are
the English voters and their UNITED KINGDOM Westminster representatives.
It is ludicrous for numpties like you to blame Scots for your own destiny.

The bottom line is that England does not want to lose all those lovely
subsidies that they are getting under the present system - NO MATTER HOW
STRIDENTLY THEY CLAIM THEY ARE NOT.
Example there was an announcement last week that an estimated £16 Billion is
to be spent on a cross-London underground link - financed from those UK
funds. That actually works out as £2.2 K for every man, woman and child in
London. If you think that the project will actually come in at that cost you
need your head looked.
Just compare that London link cost with the Scottish Parliament building
costs which were a mere £414m and the English have never stopped bleating
about that even although it was funded in total from within the usual
Scottish block grant and cost not a red cent of extra cash from Englanders.
Got that - it was out of Scottish funding - not out of UK funding as the
London link will be.

If you do like the truth my advice is not to make stupid, incorrect, claims
on these groups where people know better.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Ivan
2007-10-07 09:44:27 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and
they do not hold your views.
What other proof is needed than every racist party that ran in the last
election were rejected as loonies by the great British public - THE
MAJORITY VOTED against your kind of views you bloody glaikit gomeril.
--
Whilst it back in 'ENGLAND' the 'majority' of voters voted for Michael
Howard who had much more 'robust' views on asylum and immigration, which
means it's probably time to leave Scotland and Wales to their own devices
and have an English only parliament... BTW what proportion of the popular
vote was this government elected on?
Post by Robert Peffers
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-07 21:07:38 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and
they do not hold your views.
What other proof is needed than every racist party that ran in the last
election were rejected as loonies by the great British public - THE
MAJORITY VOTED against your kind of views you bloody glaikit gomeril.
--
Whilst it back in 'ENGLAND' the 'majority' of voters voted for Michael
Howard who had much more 'robust' views on asylum and immigration,
That is utter rubbish!
England voted in 533 of the MPs at Westminster and there were 353 Labour MPs
elected.
There are only 59 MPs from all Scotland and these are not all Labour.
yet labour has a majority of over 60 MPs.
PROOF THAT YOU ARE TALKING RUBBISH.
Post by Ivan
which means it's probably time to leave Scotland and Wales to their own
devices and have an English only parliament.
You do realise that, as a Scottish nationalist, I am 100% on your side with
that desire?
You do realise, too, that it is not the Scots who are stopping England
having home rule, don't you?
That whole concept rest ONLY with the English themselves.
As I've pointed out England has 533 MPs in Westminster and if they wish to
leave Westminster and form an English only Parliament no one could outvote
them.
You do realize too that Westminster belongs to the UK and was built for the
UK, by the UK, and it is NOT England's. It is as much Welsh, Scottish and
Irish as it is English.
You want an English parliament then go get it, no one will bar your way but
the English who have shown no interest in their own parliament to date.

BTW what proportion of the popular
Post by Ivan
vote was this government elected on?
What has that got to do with it?

The system is, "First Past The Post", and as there are several other parties
involved, the one that gets first past is the party with the most votes.
Your over-simplification shows you do not understand the system.
Get it right before you attempt to argue.
The system is the single party of several with the largest share of the
votes gets to form the government.
It is not the one with more votes than ALL THE REST PUT TOGETHER who gets
it.
After all the fact that one party did not get a votes from the three or four
other parties supporters does not mean their votes were going to go to the
next biggest party.
You really have not thought this thing through, have you?
I'm a Scottish Nationalist - I WANT England to be independent- it's those
English guys who DON'T want an English only parliament you should be getting
at - I'm on YOUR SIDE?
Sheeesh!
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Ivan
2007-10-07 22:51:30 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and
they do not hold your views.
What other proof is needed than every racist party that ran in the last
election were rejected as loonies by the great British public - THE
MAJORITY VOTED against your kind of views you bloody glaikit gomeril.
--
Whilst it back in 'ENGLAND' the 'majority' of voters voted for Michael
Howard who had much more 'robust' views on asylum and immigration,
That is utter rubbish!
England voted in 533 of the MPs at Westminster and there were 353 Labour
MPs elected.
There are only 59 MPs from all Scotland and these are not all Labour.
yet labour has a majority of over 60 MPs.
PROOF THAT YOU ARE TALKING RUBBISH.
--
"At the last United Kingdom general election in May 2005 more people in
England voted Conservative than voted Labour; however, the Labour Party was
returned to the House of Commons with a massive majority, thanks to the
votes of the Welsh and the Scots"

<http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-kingdom/england_identity_4578.jsp>
Post by Robert Peffers
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers
2007-10-08 10:16:39 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and
they do not hold your views.
What other proof is needed than every racist party that ran in the last
election were rejected as loonies by the great British public - THE
MAJORITY VOTED against your kind of views you bloody glaikit gomeril.
--
Whilst it back in 'ENGLAND' the 'majority' of voters voted for Michael
Howard who had much more 'robust' views on asylum and immigration,
That is utter rubbish!
England voted in 533 of the MPs at Westminster and there were 353 Labour
MPs elected.
There are only 59 MPs from all Scotland and these are not all Labour.
yet labour has a majority of over 60 MPs.
PROOF THAT YOU ARE TALKING RUBBISH.
--
"At the last United Kingdom general election in May 2005 more people in
England voted Conservative than voted Labour; however, the Labour Party
was returned to the House of Commons with a massive majority, thanks to
the votes of the Welsh and the Scots"
<http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-kingdom/england_identity_4578.jsp>
Post by Robert Peffers
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
You just do not understand the aims of the parliamentary system.
Legally, for election purposes, no such place as England exists as the
election is to elect MPs to Westminster constituency by constituency.
Thus each UK constituency, in each UK country, stands alone and, vote-wise,
it has no connection to any country or to and other constituency.
Thus the voters in only that constituency can elect the MP for that
constituency - and if there were only 1,000 electors there and 499 voted
Tory and 501 voter Labour the Labour guy is elected and the Tory 499 are not
carried over to any other constituency.
Get the point? They are NOT Electing MPs from England to represent England -
they ARE electing an MP to represent that constituency only. Think of it
this way - if you were a rural dweller in a rural constituency your area
would, most likely, elect an MP that was looking after rural interests. An
inner city constituency would elect an MP who would be looking out for urban
interests. When both got to Westminster and a debate and vote took place on,
say access to rural areas for ramblers it is likely the rural guy would vote
against it as his electors would not want all those townies destroying his
electors crops. The urban guy would vote for it for his constituents would
wish to have the right to roam. This is the reason the system is designed by
constituency and not by country. The thing that is wrong about it is the
political party system where the party members are loyal to their party and
do not give a damn for their voters unless they think they will not get a
majority of them to vote for them.
When YOU go to the ballot box you are not electing a party you are electing
only the person you want to represent your interests in your constituency.
If you decide to vote upon party loyalty then that is your choice but it is
not what the system is designed for.
So the matter is simply that most constituencies elected Labour Party MPs to
Westminster from English constituencies.
353 of them in fact but only 195 Tories.
Scotland did not elect your present government as we have only 59 MPs in
total and these are not all Labour MPs by any means.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Ivan
2007-10-08 11:33:47 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the
people and they do not hold your views.
What other proof is needed than every racist party that ran in the
last election were rejected as loonies by the great British public -
THE MAJORITY VOTED against your kind of views you bloody glaikit
gomeril.
--
Whilst it back in 'ENGLAND' the 'majority' of voters voted for Michael
Howard who had much more 'robust' views on asylum and immigration,
That is utter rubbish!
England voted in 533 of the MPs at Westminster and there were 353 Labour
MPs elected.
There are only 59 MPs from all Scotland and these are not all Labour.
yet labour has a majority of over 60 MPs.
PROOF THAT YOU ARE TALKING RUBBISH.
--
"At the last United Kingdom general election in May 2005 more people in
England voted Conservative than voted Labour; however, the Labour Party
was returned to the House of Commons with a massive majority, thanks to
the votes of the Welsh and the Scots"
<http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-kingdom/england_identity_4578.jsp>
Post by Robert Peffers
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
You just do not understand the aims of the parliamentary system.
Legally, for election purposes, no such place as England exists as the
election is to elect MPs to Westminster constituency by constituency.
Thus each UK constituency, in each UK country, stands alone and,
vote-wise, it has no connection to any country or to and other
constituency.
Thus the voters in only that constituency can elect the MP for that
constituency - and if there were only 1,000 electors there and 499 voted
Tory and 501 voter Labour the Labour guy is elected and the Tory 499 are
not carried over to any other constituency.
Get the point? They are NOT Electing MPs from England to represent
England - they ARE electing an MP to represent that constituency only.
Think of it this way - if you were a rural dweller in a rural constituency
your area would, most likely, elect an MP that was looking after rural
interests. An inner city constituency would elect an MP who would be
looking out for urban interests. When both got to Westminster and a debate
and vote took place on, say access to rural areas for ramblers it is
likely the rural guy would vote against it as his electors would not want
all those townies destroying his electors crops. The urban guy would vote
for it for his constituents would wish to have the right to roam. This is
the reason the system is designed by constituency and not by country. The
thing that is wrong about it is the political party system where the party
members are loyal to their party and do not give a damn for their voters
unless they think they will not get a majority of them to vote for them.
When YOU go to the ballot box you are not electing a party you are
electing only the person you want to represent your interests in your
constituency. If you decide to vote upon party loyalty then that is your
choice but it is not what the system is designed for.
So the matter is simply that most constituencies elected Labour Party MPs
to Westminster from English constituencies.
353 of them in fact but only 195 Tories.
Scotland did not elect your present government as we have only 59 MPs in
total and these are not all Labour MPs by any means.
--
I perfectly understand what the system is 'supposed' to do Bob, but in
general elections I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of
voters vote for the leader of a party and what he has to offer on national
issues, rather than local ones, there are also the millions of hard core of
voters who will always vote for a particular party (irrespective of how dire
they are) for no other reason that they and their parents before them have
always have done so.
Post by Robert Peffers
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Boss
2007-10-07 15:21:42 UTC
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Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?) living in FRANCE.
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and sundry
are you too stupid to understand?
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to decide
who comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to understand??
--
The Boss
The part that says the vast majority gets their way and YOU are not one
of that vast majority on this issue.
Once again, you provide no PROOF, you vacuous windbag.
--
The Boss
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and
they do not hold your views.
STILL no proof provided.
Post by Robert Peffers
What other proof is needed than every racist party that ran in the last
election were rejected as loonies by the great British public - THE
MAJORITY VOTED against your kind of views you bloody glaikit gomeril.
There wasn't actually a vote on immigrants coming into the country, duh.
--
The Boss
Robert Peffers
2007-10-07 21:12:22 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by The Boss
Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?) living in FRANCE.
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and sundry
are you too stupid to understand?
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to decide
who comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to understand??
--
The Boss
The part that says the vast majority gets their way and YOU are not one
of that vast majority on this issue.
Once again, you provide no PROOF, you vacuous windbag.
--
The Boss
The proof is that the elected government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain & Northern Ireland were elected on the votes of the people and
they do not hold your views.
STILL no proof provided.
Post by Robert Peffers
What other proof is needed than every racist party that ran in the last
election were rejected as loonies by the great British public - THE
MAJORITY VOTED against your kind of views you bloody glaikit gomeril.
There wasn't actually a vote on immigrants coming into the country, duh.
--
The Boss
No Dear! But there were the manifestos of every party that put forward
candidates to be elected. These contained the sum total of those parties
policies and those with anti-immigration policies got nowhere.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
John of Aix
2007-10-05 21:10:57 UTC
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Post by John of Aix
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world
pisses and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world
bleeds if you cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them
by nature to continue the species,all the world seeks to have a
happy life. All the world is fundamentally exactly the same as you
are, their colour, habits, tastes etc are just another fine example
of the fantastic diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself,
are poor, frightened people who cannot deal with their world in an
intelligent and logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats for
their personal lacunae and failings: the government, immigrants,
their spouses, that bastard down the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the
lot of them. Get a life.
So says an ex Brit(Irishman?)
Brit.
Post by The Boss
living in FRANCE.
Are the capitals meant to mean something special?
Post by The Boss
What part of Britain is too small/overcrowded to take all and sundry
are you too stupid to understand?
Do you speak English? It seems not from the ungrammatical and
meaningless phrase above.
Post by The Boss
What part of democracy where I - and others - have the right to
decide who comes to live/work in Britain are you too stupid to
understand??
You do not have the right to decide on this or that, you vote in a
government, they decide. That's democracy sunshine, get used to it and
use it instead of moaning all the time.
Ivan
2007-10-04 21:43:44 UTC
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Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses and
shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you cut
them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to continue
the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the world is
fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour, habits, tastes
etc are just another fine example of the fantastic diversity of our
planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened people who cannot
deal with their world in an intelligent and logical way, constantly
seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and failings: the
government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down the pub etc. Poor
fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries this
country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European) immigrants
many of them arriving here with much needed skills.

However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing unease
among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's dispatches on
channel four) and even the established ethnic groups themselves that as a
nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping up our own funeral pyre'.

I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes that
introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by their own
stupidity.

IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're trying to
foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when I went to a C of
E school and religion was a compulsory subject, indeed whole lessons were
devoted to it, yet despite all of their attempts of trying to ram religion
down my throat if anything it had a totally adverse affect on me, and beyond
doubt this country is now further away from religion than it's ever been..
which appears to prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water but
you can't make it drink'..
Robert Peffers
2007-10-05 01:14:21 UTC
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Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour, habits,
tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic diversity of
our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened people who
cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical way,
the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down the pub etc.
Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries this
country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European) immigrants
many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing unease
among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's dispatches on
channel four) and even the established ethnic groups themselves that as a
nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping up our own funeral pyre'.
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes that
introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by their own
stupidity.
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're trying to
foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when I went to a C
of E school and religion was a compulsory subject, indeed whole lessons
were devoted to it, yet despite all of their attempts of trying to ram
religion down my throat if anything it had a totally adverse affect on me,
and beyond doubt this country is now further away from religion than it's
ever been..
Is it? Are the Muslims not counted as a religious group in your eyes?
Post by Ivan
which appears to prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water
but you can't make it drink'..
Of course you meant Christians are less religious than ever before but it
exposes your mindset.
Ivan
2007-10-05 08:39:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries
this country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European)
immigrants many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing unease
among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's dispatches on
channel four) and even the established ethnic groups themselves that as a
nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping up our own funeral pyre'.
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes that
introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by their own
stupidity.
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're trying to
foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when I went to a C
of E school and religion was a compulsory subject, indeed whole lessons
were devoted to it, yet despite all of their attempts of trying to ram
religion down my throat if anything it had a totally adverse affect on
me, and beyond doubt this country is now further away from religion than
it's ever been..
Is it? Are the Muslims not counted as a religious group in your eyes?
Post by Ivan
which appears to prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water
but you can't make it drink'..
Of course you meant Christians are less religious than ever before but it
exposes your mindset.
No it points up the fact that religious indoctrination in schools just
doesn't work, one of the reasons why this particular government has never
been a great supporter of it, yet it sees fit to forcibly introduce a
programme of 'community cohesion' which it obviously believes 'will' work.
Raven
2007-10-05 09:32:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries
this country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European)
immigrants many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing unease
among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's dispatches on
channel four) and even the established ethnic groups themselves that as a
nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping up our own funeral pyre'.
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes that
introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by their own
stupidity.
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're trying to
foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when I went to a C
of E school and religion was a compulsory subject, indeed whole lessons
were devoted to it, yet despite all of their attempts of trying to ram
religion down my throat if anything it had a totally adverse affect on
me, and beyond doubt this country is now further away from religion than
it's ever been..
Is it? Are the Muslims not counted as a religious group in your eyes?
Post by Ivan
which appears to prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water
but you can't make it drink'..
Of course you meant Christians are less religious than ever before but it
exposes your mindset.
No it points up the fact that religious indoctrination in schools just
doesn't work, one of the reasons why this particular government has never
been a great supporter of it, yet it sees fit to forcibly introduce a
programme of 'community cohesion' which it obviously believes 'will' work.
You know one cant help but wonder when one day the globe is simply
'humankind'.... sort of 'earthlings'. By then we will probably be
visiting distant stars and racially abusing aliens 'cause they have
more/less than two arms.

I honestly believe that we learn nothing from past mistakes. With some
on this planet the notion of living together regardless of colour etc
is simply intolerable to perceive.......Perhaps its to do with those
small bits of DNA...... simliar but different..... Trace it all back
to the notion of white being pure and black being dirty.....Somehow
yellow/brown got involved... well they aint white so we will put em in
the black pigeon hole eh!!!!!

Hands up those who love a curry..... hands up those who don't want
the chef/cook living next door...
Ivan
2007-10-05 11:22:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Raven
Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries
this country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European)
immigrants many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing unease
among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's dispatches on
channel four) and even the established ethnic groups themselves that as a
nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping up our own funeral pyre'.
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes that
introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by their own
stupidity.
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're trying to
foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when I went to a C
of E school and religion was a compulsory subject, indeed whole lessons
were devoted to it, yet despite all of their attempts of trying to ram
religion down my throat if anything it had a totally adverse affect on
me, and beyond doubt this country is now further away from religion than
it's ever been..
Is it? Are the Muslims not counted as a religious group in your eyes?
Post by Ivan
which appears to prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water
but you can't make it drink'..
Of course you meant Christians are less religious than ever before but it
exposes your mindset.
No it points up the fact that religious indoctrination in schools just
doesn't work, one of the reasons why this particular government has never
been a great supporter of it, yet it sees fit to forcibly introduce a
programme of 'community cohesion' which it obviously believes 'will' work.
You know one cant help but wonder when one day the globe is simply
'humankind'.... sort of 'earthlings'. By then we will probably be
visiting distant stars and racially abusing aliens 'cause they have
more/less than two arms.
I honestly believe that we learn nothing from past mistakes. With some
on this planet the notion of living together regardless of colour etc
is simply intolerable to perceive.......Perhaps its to do with those
small bits of DNA...... simliar but different..... Trace it all back
to the notion of white being pure and black being dirty.....Somehow
yellow/brown got involved... well they aint white so we will put em in
the black pigeon hole eh!!!!!
Hands up those who love a curry..... hands up those who don't want
the chef/cook living next door...
Well I love exotic foods, but I don't see the necessity of having to import
someone and his dependants from halfway around the world to cook it for me!

Personally I don't think that the debate about immigration has much if
anything to do with race or colour, as I have very good Iranian and black
British friends, most of whom I'm certain would pretty much endorse many of
the views held by the 'so called' racists on this newsgroup.

For instance the Somalian population in the town where I live has increased
to around about 25,000 over the last several years and they have apparently
suffered a large number of attacks and assaults, however reading between the
lines (as in certain cases the media are reluctant to give precise details)
these aren't necessarily coming from the white indigenous population.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 20:56:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries
this country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European)
immigrants many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing unease
among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's dispatches on
channel four) and even the established ethnic groups themselves that as a
nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping up our own funeral pyre'.
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes that
introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by their own
stupidity.
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're trying to
foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when I went to a C
of E school and religion was a compulsory subject, indeed whole lessons
were devoted to it, yet despite all of their attempts of trying to ram
religion down my throat if anything it had a totally adverse affect on
me, and beyond doubt this country is now further away from religion than
it's ever been..
Is it? Are the Muslims not counted as a religious group in your eyes?
Post by Ivan
which appears to prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water
but you can't make it drink'..
Of course you meant Christians are less religious than ever before but it
exposes your mindset.
No it points up the fact that religious indoctrination in schools just
doesn't work, one of the reasons why this particular government has never
been a great supporter of it, yet it sees fit to forcibly introduce a
programme of 'community cohesion' which it obviously believes 'will' work.
You know one cant help but wonder when one day the globe is simply
'humankind'.... sort of 'earthlings'. By then we will probably be
visiting distant stars and racially abusing aliens 'cause they have
more/less than two arms.
I honestly believe that we learn nothing from past mistakes. With some
on this planet the notion of living together regardless of colour etc
is simply intolerable to perceive.......Perhaps its to do with those
small bits of DNA...... simliar but different..... Trace it all back
to the notion of white being pure and black being dirty.....Somehow
yellow/brown got involved... well they aint white so we will put em in
the black pigeon hole eh!!!!!
Hands up those who love a curry..... hands up those who don't want
the chef/cook living next door...
Well I love exotic foods, but I don't see the necessity of having to
import someone and his dependants from halfway around the world to cook it
for me!
Personally I don't think that the debate about immigration has much if
anything to do with race or colour, as I have very good Iranian and black
British friends, most of whom I'm certain would pretty much endorse many
of the views held by the 'so called' racists on this newsgroup.
For instance the Somalian population in the town where I live has
increased to around about 25,000 over the last several years and they have
apparently suffered a large number of attacks and assaults, however
reading between the lines (as in certain cases the media are reluctant to
give precise details) these aren't necessarily coming from the white
indigenous population.
Did anyone say that black, brown, red, yellow or fish belly grey, racists
were any worse, or better, because of their skin colour?

Just have a wee read through these groups and you will see claims made that
certain posters are, "Nigger Lovers", or , "Asian Lovers", when the accused
had never mentioned what colour the people they had been calling, "racist
bigots", were. However, the WHITE, racist bigots accusing them of
"Nigger/Asian", loving just assumed that they were. This also applies to the
assumption made that the people accused of , "Nigger/Asian", loving were
condoning the terrorist attacks made upon UK/USA people.

The bloody idiots automatically assume that when anyone runs down Racism and
bigotry that the accused are whites only.
Thus we have the anti-racist/bigotry group referring to racists/bigots of
every colour and the racists/bigots wrongly assuming their accusers only
mean the white ones. However, if you think about it, it is their
racism/bigotry that makes them jump to that wrong conclusion.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
M***@aol.com
2007-10-06 09:28:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Raven
Post by Ivan
Post by Robert Peffers
Post by Ivan
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard once;
'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just took the
time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who will tear that
thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era ring
to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world pisses
and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world bleeds if you
cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them by nature to
continue the species,all the world seeks to have a happy life. All the
world is fundamentally exactly the same as you are, their colour,
habits, tastes etc are just another fine example of the fantastic
diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself, are poor, frightened
people who cannot deal with their world in an intelligent and logical
way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their personal lacunae and
failings: the government, immigrants, their spouses, that bastard down
the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries
this country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European)
immigrants many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing unease
among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's dispatches on
channel four) and even the established ethnic groups themselves that as a
nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping up our own funeral pyre'.
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes that
introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by their own
stupidity.
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're trying to
foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when I went to a C
of E school and religion was a compulsory subject, indeed whole lessons
were devoted to it, yet despite all of their attempts of trying to ram
religion down my throat if anything it had a totally adverse affect on
me, and beyond doubt this country is now further away from religion than
it's ever been..
Is it? Are the Muslims not counted as a religious group in your eyes?
Post by Ivan
which appears to prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water
but you can't make it drink'..
Of course you meant Christians are less religious than ever before but it
exposes your mindset.
No it points up the fact that religious indoctrination in schools just
doesn't work, one of the reasons why this particular government has never
been a great supporter of it, yet it sees fit to forcibly introduce a
programme of 'community cohesion' which it obviously believes 'will' work.
You know one cant help but wonder when one day the globe is simply
'humankind'.... sort of 'earthlings'. By then we will probably be
visiting distant stars and racially abusing aliens 'cause they have
more/less than two arms.
I honestly believe that we learn nothing from past mistakes. With some
on this planet the notion of living together regardless of colour etc
is simply intolerable to perceive.......Perhaps its to do with those
small bits of DNA...... simliar but different..... >
- Show quoted text -
You've misunderstood the basics. Everyone wants more of the goodies
and forms alliances with others to advance themselves. They choose
people like themselves for the alliances. Hardly needs explaining why.
Asking people not to form alliances is crying for the moon. Political
parties are one form of such alliance. Othera are ethnic and religious
groups.
John of Aix
2007-10-05 21:55:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivan
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard
once; 'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just
took the time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who
will tear that thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era
ring to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world
pisses and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world
bleeds if you cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them
by nature to continue the species,all the world seeks to have a
happy life. All the world is fundamentally exactly the same as you
are, their colour, habits, tastes etc are just another fine example
of the fantastic diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself,
are poor, frightened people who cannot deal with their world in an
intelligent and logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their
personal lacunae and failings: the government, immigrants, their
spouses, that bastard down the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of
them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries
this country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European)
immigrants many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
No, the complaint of the racists is not about immigration per se really,
I haven't seen anyone moan about people from the USA moving to Britain
(few I admit), it's the 'wops' they don't like. They are racists at
worst or simple xenophobes at best.
Post by Ivan
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing
unease among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's
dispatches on channel four) and even the established ethnic groups
themselves that as a nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping
up our own funeral pyre'.
I trhink that is an exaggeration. People have moved around the world
ever since humanity began and will continue to do so. Often they have
displaced those already there, usually though they end up mixing with
them and become 'natives' themselves in the end. I ask you, what is so
great about the British as an example of human beings? Nothing special.
On the contrary at the limit, pasty, ugly, fat and poorly educated for a
too great part. A bit of mixing is thoroughly welcome.
Post by Ivan
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes
that introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by
their own stupidity.
I can't disagree with that. It is bad politics.
Post by Ivan
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're
trying to foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when
I went to a C of E school and religion was a compulsory subject,
indeed whole lessons were devoted to it, yet despite all of their
attempts of trying to ram religion down my throat if anything it had
a totally adverse affect on me, and beyond doubt this country is now
further away from religion than it's ever been.. which appears to
prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't
make it drink'..
On the whole I feel that the British approach to immigration has been a
complete disaster. The UK tried to be like Rome, where all those in tjhe
empire were Citizens. But the UK is not and never was Rome, despite the
empire it had (the UK). I am a firem beleievr int he old saying 'when in
Rome (again) do as the Romans do. Allowing notices down at the DHSS in
Gujurati, Hindu, Swahili et al was absolute folly. If you live in
Britain you should speak English in normal day to day life and adapt to
the people who are your hosts, the British, not expect the British to
adapt themselves to the ways of incomers.
Ivan
2007-10-05 22:18:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivan
Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard
once; 'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just
took the time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who
will tear that thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era
ring to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world
pisses and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world
bleeds if you cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them
by nature to continue the species,all the world seeks to have a
happy life. All the world is fundamentally exactly the same as you
are, their colour, habits, tastes etc are just another fine example
of the fantastic diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself,
are poor, frightened people who cannot deal with their world in an
intelligent and logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their
personal lacunae and failings: the government, immigrants, their
spouses, that bastard down the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of
them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries
this country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European)
immigrants many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
No, the complaint of the racists is not about immigration per se really, I
haven't seen anyone moan about people from the USA moving to Britain (few
I admit), it's the 'wops' they don't like. They are racists at worst or
simple xenophobes at best.
Post by Ivan
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing
unease among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's
dispatches on channel four) and even the established ethnic groups
themselves that as a nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping
up our own funeral pyre'.
I trhink that is an exaggeration. People have moved around the world ever
since humanity began and will continue to do so. Often they have displaced
those already there, usually though they end up mixing with them and
become 'natives' themselves in the end. I ask you, what is so great about
the British as an example of human beings? Nothing special. On the
contrary at the limit, pasty, ugly, fat and poorly educated for a too
great part. A bit of mixing is thoroughly welcome.
Post by Ivan
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes
that introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by
their own stupidity.
I can't disagree with that. It is bad politics.
Post by Ivan
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're
trying to foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when
I went to a C of E school and religion was a compulsory subject,
indeed whole lessons were devoted to it, yet despite all of their
attempts of trying to ram religion down my throat if anything it had
a totally adverse affect on me, and beyond doubt this country is now
further away from religion than it's ever been.. which appears to
prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't
make it drink'..
On the whole I feel that the British approach to immigration has been a
complete disaster. The UK tried to be like Rome, where all those in tjhe
empire were Citizens. But the UK is not and never was Rome, despite the
empire it had (the UK). I am a firem beleievr int he old saying 'when in
Rome (again) do as the Romans do. Allowing notices down at the DHSS in
Gujurati, Hindu, Swahili et al was absolute folly. If you live in Britain
you should speak English in normal day to day life and adapt to the people
who are your hosts, the British, not expect the British to adapt
themselves to the ways of incomers.
My daughter and son in law are determined to up sticks and move to France
(Sarlat, Dordogne) they want to fit in so are attending French language
classes, they're both well qualified people.

When I told her about the recent withdrawal of Health cover for Brits
(taking 'early' retirement) to France, her reaction was 'good that's what I
like about the French, they don't give a ****!'
Svenne
2007-10-06 06:37:18 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:55:12 +0200, "John of Aix"
Post by John of Aix
No, the complaint of the racists is not about immigration per se really,
I haven't seen anyone moan about people from the USA moving to Britain
(few I admit), it's the 'wops' they don't like. They are racists at
worst or simple xenophobes at best.
If there were mass immigration to the UK of American Conservative
Christian Evangelicals, with millions of them in cities all over the
country, if their power and influence was seen to be rising and if
projections of demographic trends showed their number was expected to
increase, possibly reaching majority status within a few decades, I
would be very worried indeed.
Post by John of Aix
I trhink that is an exaggeration. People have moved around the world
ever since humanity began and will continue to do so. Often they have
displaced those already there, usually though they end up mixing with
them and become 'natives' themselves in the end. I ask you, what is so
great about the British as an example of human beings? Nothing special.
On the contrary at the limit, pasty, ugly, fat and poorly educated for a
too great part. A bit of mixing is thoroughly welcome.
With so much self loathing, perhaps ethnic displacement should be
welcomed.
Post by John of Aix
On the whole I feel that the British approach to immigration has been a
complete disaster. The UK tried to be like Rome, where all those in tjhe
empire were Citizens. But the UK is not and never was Rome, despite the
empire it had (the UK). I am a firem beleievr int he old saying 'when in
Rome (again) do as the Romans do. Allowing notices down at the DHSS in
Gujurati, Hindu, Swahili et al was absolute folly. If you live in
Britain you should speak English in normal day to day life and adapt to
the people who are your hosts, the British, not expect the British to
adapt themselves to the ways of incomers.
I wonder what it will be like when the newcomers have displaced the
ethnic British? They are a very religious lot and I can't stand
ignorant superstition. Christianity is a washed out, feeble shadow of
its previous self, so its wasted remnants can be lived with, but I
won't like living in a society dominated by Islam.

Well, it probably won't happen until the later part of this century,
so I won't be around to see it.

Svenne
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 23:55:58 UTC
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Post by Svenne
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:55:12 +0200, "John of Aix"
Post by John of Aix
No, the complaint of the racists is not about immigration per se really,
I haven't seen anyone moan about people from the USA moving to Britain
(few I admit), it's the 'wops' they don't like. They are racists at
worst or simple xenophobes at best.
If there were mass immigration to the UK of American Conservative
Christian Evangelicals, with millions of them in cities all over the
country, if their power and influence was seen to be rising and if
projections of demographic trends showed their number was expected to
increase, possibly reaching majority status within a few decades, I
would be very worried indeed.
Post by John of Aix
I trhink that is an exaggeration. People have moved around the world
ever since humanity began and will continue to do so. Often they have
displaced those already there, usually though they end up mixing with
them and become 'natives' themselves in the end. I ask you, what is so
great about the British as an example of human beings? Nothing special.
On the contrary at the limit, pasty, ugly, fat and poorly educated for a
too great part. A bit of mixing is thoroughly welcome.
With so much self loathing, perhaps ethnic displacement should be
welcomed.
Post by John of Aix
On the whole I feel that the British approach to immigration has been a
complete disaster. The UK tried to be like Rome, where all those in tjhe
empire were Citizens. But the UK is not and never was Rome, despite the
empire it had (the UK). I am a firem beleievr int he old saying 'when in
Rome (again) do as the Romans do. Allowing notices down at the DHSS in
Gujurati, Hindu, Swahili et al was absolute folly. If you live in
Britain you should speak English in normal day to day life and adapt to
the people who are your hosts, the British, not expect the British to
adapt themselves to the ways of incomers.
I wonder what it will be like when the newcomers have displaced the
ethnic British? They are a very religious lot and I can't stand
ignorant superstition. Christianity is a washed out, feeble shadow of
its previous self, so its wasted remnants can be lived with, but I
won't like living in a society dominated by Islam.
Well, it probably won't happen until the later part of this century,
so I won't be around to see it.
Svenne
If ancient history is anything to go on, (and it usually is), then the most
likely result will be the better education and the exposure to our existing
cultures will see them moderate towards our existing mores. The norm, so
far, has been that the firs generation maintains its cultural links almost
exclusively. The next generation sees a great shift to the Western ways but
a retention of some of the, "Old Ways". Look at the way such as Dario
Franchetti is a Scot of Italian extraction but as Scottish as I am. My last
GP was called Sanjana and was of Indian extraction. His doctor grandfather
was very much higher caste Indian gentleman, his father was still quite
Indian in many ways but Andrew went to school with my late wife and he was,
without doubt just the same as any other person in that classroom as they
grew up together. He was just another Scotsman but with a bit darker skin
than most. Now why do you think we have Chip Shops all over the UK and most
still have Italian names over the door yet the people running them will now
be little different from the rest of the UK population but now Fish n Chips
are thought of, throughout the World, as typically British. They are not but
came along with an influx of Italians, (who also brought us Ice-Cream
Parlours)..
Do you really think, that in this present instance, history will not repeat
itself?
By the way Scotland's national dish is no longer Haggis & Clapshot - it is
now curry, (Which replaced Pizza).
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Svenne
2007-10-07 06:08:02 UTC
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:55:58 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
Post by Robert Peffers
If ancient history is anything to go on, (and it usually is), then the most
likely result will be the better education and the exposure to our existing
cultures will see them moderate towards our existing mores. The norm, so
far, has been that the firs generation maintains its cultural links almost
exclusively. The next generation sees a great shift to the Western ways but
a retention of some of the, "Old Ways". Look at the way such as Dario
Franchetti is a Scot of Italian extraction but as Scottish as I am. My last
GP was called Sanjana and was of Indian extraction. His doctor grandfather
was very much higher caste Indian gentleman, his father was still quite
Indian in many ways but Andrew went to school with my late wife and he was,
without doubt just the same as any other person in that classroom as they
grew up together. He was just another Scotsman but with a bit darker skin
than most. Now why do you think we have Chip Shops all over the UK and most
still have Italian names over the door yet the people running them will now
be little different from the rest of the UK population but now Fish n Chips
are thought of, throughout the World, as typically British. They are not but
came along with an influx of Italians, (who also brought us Ice-Cream
Parlours)..
Do you really think, that in this present instance, history will not repeat
itself?
By the way Scotland's national dish is no longer Haggis & Clapshot - it is
now curry, (Which replaced Pizza).
The sheer numbers of immigrants, their high birth rate combined with a
low ethnic British birthrate makes it likely that they will have a
major cultural impact. Perhaps an overewhelming one. The fact that a
very large number of immigrants and their children and grandchildren
profess a belief system that is as much a political-social movement as
it is a religion and that it is also a particularly repressive,
misogynist, homophobic and intolerant belief system gives cause for
worry.

I care not a fig about anyones ethnic background, skin colour,
language or culinary preferences, but I do care about the beliefs they
profess. I would be very worried if millions of Scientologists or
Moonies or Conservative Evangelical Christians were establishing
themselves in the UK, with projections showing they could reach
majority status within a century. Islam certainly belongs on the list
of nutty superstitions to worry about and it presents a threat far
greater than the other nutty belief systems I mentioned.

Svenne
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 23:25:10 UTC
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Post by John of Aix
Post by Ivan
Post by Raven
And one might add they get on with each other pretty well at that
age. Pity the parents are unable to do the same thing. I heard
once; 'parents could learn a lot from their children if they just
took the time to watch them'. Naturally there will be some who
will tear that thought to shreds.
This would be the reason then why the government sees fit to
introduce the 'enforced' indoctrination of schoolchildren into
something to be known as "community cohesion"... Why didn't they
just go the whole hog and set up a complete department.. 'The
Ministry of Community Cohesion' has a nice sort of Stalinist era
ring to it.. and any dissenting voices who didn't agree with the
government could then be sent away for a couple of years to be
're-educated'.
Christ you racists piss me off. Did you know that all the world
pisses and shits in the morning (Liz II included), all the world
bleeds if you cut them, all the world has a sex drive given to them
by nature to continue the species,all the world seeks to have a
happy life. All the world is fundamentally exactly the same as you
are, their colour, habits, tastes etc are just another fine example
of the fantastic diversity of our planet. Racists, like yourself,
are poor, frightened people who cannot deal with their world in an
intelligent and logical way, constantly seeking scapegoats for their
personal lacunae and failings: the government, immigrants, their
spouses, that bastard down the pub etc. Poor fucking sods the lot of
them. Get a life.
No John not racist just a purveyor of the obvious, over the centuries
this country has always assimilated thousands of (mainly European)
immigrants many of them arriving here with much needed skills.
No, the complaint of the racists is not about immigration per se really, I
haven't seen anyone moan about people from the USA moving to Britain (few
I admit), it's the 'wops' they don't like. They are racists at worst or
simple xenophobes at best.
Post by Ivan
However it's becoming patently obvious that there is now a growing
unease among politicians, academics, the media (watch last week's
dispatches on channel four) and even the established ethnic groups
themselves that as a nation we have been engaged in 'busily heaping
up our own funeral pyre'.
I trhink that is an exaggeration. People have moved around the world ever
since humanity began and will continue to do so. Often they have displaced
those already there, usually though they end up mixing with them and
become 'natives' themselves in the end. I ask you, what is so great about
the British as an example of human beings? Nothing special. On the
contrary at the limit, pasty, ugly, fat and poorly educated for a too
great part. A bit of mixing is thoroughly welcome.
Post by Ivan
I was merely pointing out the folly of a government which believes
that introducing knee jerk legislation can solve problems created by
their own stupidity.
I can't disagree with that. It is bad politics.
Post by Ivan
IMO the idiotic "community cohesion" panic measure that they're
trying to foister onto our schools will be about as effective as when
I went to a C of E school and religion was a compulsory subject,
indeed whole lessons were devoted to it, yet despite all of their
attempts of trying to ram religion down my throat if anything it had
a totally adverse affect on me, and beyond doubt this country is now
further away from religion than it's ever been.. which appears to
prove the old adage that 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't
make it drink'..
On the whole I feel that the British approach to immigration has been a
complete disaster. The UK tried to be like Rome, where all those in tjhe
empire were Citizens. But the UK is not and never was Rome, despite the
empire it had (the UK). I am a firem beleievr int he old saying 'when in
Rome (again) do as the Romans do. Allowing notices down at the DHSS in
Gujurati, Hindu, Swahili et al was absolute folly. If you live in Britain
you should speak English in normal day to day life and adapt to the people
who are your hosts, the British, not expect the British to adapt
themselves to the ways of incomers.
Aw! Cummon!
The Original people of the British Isles did NOT speak English.
English comes from the people designated Angles but who were in fact Angles,
Jutes, Saxons, Friesians and Franks.
These, though, spoke various dialects of, "Anglish", but this was NOT
English as we now know it but it developed into Early English, (or old
English), then Middle English and so on. In fact there was no England wide
common language until Caxton's printing process made books available to a
wider audience for the works of Chaucer and William Shakespeare. It is a
Germanic Language but has elements of Latin, French, Greek, Scots, Gaelic,
Brythonic, Indian and who knows all what too. English was, and still is, a
living language and, like all living languages, it is, and will, continue to
evolve.
What do the USAsians mean by, "A Dyke"? What do UK English Speakers mean by,
"A Dyke"?
What do Scots mean by, "A Dyke". What do Australians mean by, "A Dyke".

Get the picture? English is not the language of the original Britons and not
even the language of the original English.
Tell me - where did we get that quintessentially English word, "Bungalow",
from?
The incoming people can only add to that rich language we call, "English",
but which is actually the amalgam of almost every other language in Europe
and has bits of many others tagged on here and there.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-04 18:55:24 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
So what?
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 21:25:55 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers
Post by m***@googlemail.com
Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
So what?
So what are you dripping about? If they are all British just what do you see
as a problem?
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-05 10:57:40 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
So what?
So what are you dripping about? If they are all British just what do you see
as a problem?-
You have just confirmed how thick you are.
We are talking about the decline and eventual extinction of the
Aboriginal population. It is therefore irrelevant that settlers have
British citizenship.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-06 22:41:27 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
And the end of that story is that almost every one of those children are
British born and UK citizens.
So what?
So what are you dripping about? If they are all British just what do you see
as a problem?-
You have just confirmed how thick you are.
We are talking about the decline and eventual extinction of the
Aboriginal population. It is therefore irrelevant that settlers have
British citizenship.
So tell us again what YOU think was/is the aboriginal population of the UK?

Hint! Hint! The British Isles has only been inhabited for between 10,000 and
12,000 years and thus we had no Neanderthals.
The ice moved back and folks came in. Before that - no one, Those first
incomers were the Aboriginals and genetics proves around 5% of us are Anglo
Saxon and NOT from those Aboriginals a further small percentage are from
other sources of immigration but most of us have some mixed blood gathered
along the way.
--
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
John of Aix
2007-10-04 18:39:22 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
And the other 33%? Martians, zombies, clones, robots?

So we've had Tower Hamlets and Brent, what about Westminster, Hampstead
or any other area, is it the same there? After all you claim that London
is no longer a British City.
M***@aol.com
2007-10-04 18:42:18 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
And the other 33%? Martians, zombies, clones, robots?
So we've had Tower Hamlets and Brent, what about Westminster, Hampstead
or any other area, is it the same there? After all you claim that London
is no longer a British City.>
London is not a British city. Most people you come across are
foreigners in shops transport and so on. I can only think of one shop
in my area run by anyone English.
John of Aix
2007-10-04 19:38:19 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed
as white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white
British, while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent,
compared with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent
black.
And the other 33%? Martians, zombies, clones, robots?
So we've had Tower Hamlets and Brent, what about Westminster,
Hampstead or any other area, is it the same there? After all you
claim that London is no longer a British City.>
London is not a British city. Most people you come across are
foreigners in shops transport and so on. I can only think of one shop
in my area run by anyone English.
Not good enough. You claim that London is not a British city (though I
expect that the very great majority of its citizens are indeed British,
their colour does not matter) and to back up your claims you mention a
couple of places. When I ask you about other places, that is the greater
part of London, all you can come out with is this off the point
bollocks.

Now about the rest of London, can you give me some figures about the
bnumber of inhabitants who are not British?

You're a poor, sad, racist cunt mate, accept it, change your ways and
life will be a whole lot better.
Robert Peffers
2007-10-04 21:15:36 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
And the other 33%? Martians, zombies, clones, robots?
So we've had Tower Hamlets and Brent, what about Westminster, Hampstead
or any other area, is it the same there? After all you claim that London
is no longer a British City.>
London is not a British city. Most people you come across are
foreigners in shops transport and so on. I can only think of one shop
in my area run by anyone English.
Must be a right lazy lot those Englanders round about you. Sitting on there
bums while everyone else gets on with working hard to build up businesses.
Why are the English not also running business where you live.Oh! Wait up -
are not these the ones all running gift shops, coffee houses and tourist
traps on Skye, the other islands and Highlands?
(but, Hey!, they're white so that'll be all right then)?
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Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-04 19:08:03 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
And the other 33%? Martians, zombies, clones, robots?
Chinese, eastern Europeans ....
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So we've had Tower Hamlets and Brent, what about Westminster, Hampstead
or any other area, is it the same there? After all you claim that London
is no longer a British City.
John of Aix
2007-10-04 19:41:07 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed
as white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white
British, while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent,
compared with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent
black.
And the other 33%? Martians, zombies, clones, robots?
Chinese, eastern Europeans ....
Chinese are Asians aren't they (already mentoned) and I doubt very much
that 33% (or whatever) of the inhabitants of London are from Eastern
Europe. If you have information to the contrary please supply it, but I
won't be holding my breath.
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2007-10-05 11:01:49 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed
as white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white
British, while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent,
compared with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent
black.
And the other 33%? Martians, zombies, clones, robots?
Chinese, eastern Europeans ....
Chinese are Asians aren't they (already mentoned) and I doubt very much
that 33% (or whatever) of the inhabitants of London are from Eastern
Europe. If you have information to the contrary please supply it, but I
won't be holding my breath.-
Chinese are orientals. Normally, 'Asian' refers to Indians etc. Are
you American? You asked where the other "33%" were from and I
suggested some groups which might be included in that 33%. Why did
you ask if you don't want to know? You suggested Martians, zombies,
clones and robots but you didn't supply any statistics to support that
assertion.
John of Aix
2007-10-05 22:06:48 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed
as white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white
British, while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per
cent, compared with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24
per cent black.
And the other 33%? Martians, zombies, clones, robots?
Chinese, eastern Europeans ....
Chinese are Asians aren't they (already mentoned) and I doubt very
much that 33% (or whatever) of the inhabitants of London are from
Eastern Europe. If you have information to the contrary please
supply it, but I won't be holding my breath.-
Chinese are orientals. Normally, 'Asian' refers to Indians etc.
China is in Asia sunshine, your definition of 'Asians' is your
definition, an encyclopaedia will tell you that Asians come from Asia,
of which China forms a part.
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Are
you American? You asked where the other "33%" were from and I
suggested some groups which might be included in that 33%.
Erm.. no you didn't, your post is written above and despite reading it
thrice I see no such suggestion. According to you 36% (in the areas
concerned) are 'Asian', 24% black. I make that 60%. 7%, according to
you, are 'white'. That leaves 33%. So what are they? Martians, zombies,
clones, robots?
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Why did
you ask if you don't want to know? You suggested Martians, zombies,
clones and robots but you didn't supply any statistics to support that
assertion.
I don't need to supply anything, it is you who claims something, gives
figures (probably from the top of your head) but as the account doesn't
add up I asked you where the missing 33% was from, you haven't given an
answer because you are talking your usual bollocks so have to obfuscate
instead. Do try harder.
SHEP
2007-10-04 21:52:29 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
Ahhh the UK. A country with a proud past, and a bleak future.

Thousands of good men died staving off the German invasion only for it
to latter invade itself with the world's dross. A dross which has
been proven not to rise to the occasion, but instead drag it's host
down to it's own levels of chaos and unsutainability. One would
think it a pyhsical impossibilty to fuck oneself, but the UK has
managed it very nicely.

In the global village that has been thrust upon us, the UK would have
to rate the best candidate for the title 'Village Idiot'.
Ivan
2007-10-04 22:05:39 UTC
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Dominic Hayes, Evening Standard
28.09.07
White British-born children are now the minority in many London
schools, official figures showed today.
In Tower Hamlets, 15 per cent of primary school pupils are classed as
white British, while 63 per cent of their classmates come from
Bangladeshi families.
Tories said the figures, released by the Department for Children,
Schools and Families, showed the changes were putting pressure on
schools, which had to make sure those who did not speak English
learned as soon as possible.
Conservative immigration spokesman Damian Green said: "If they can't,
and they are being taught in overcrowded classrooms, this makes it
much harder for teachers to do their job."
While Asians now make up the majority of young children in several
areas of London, others remain overwhelmingly white.
In Newham, just under 12 per cent of primary pupils are white British,
while the figure in Brent's secondaries is seven per cent, compared
with 36 per cent who are classed as Asian, and 24 per cent black.
Outside London, areas with the highest concentrations of ethnic
minority pupils included Bradford, where 53 per cent of the primary
school children are classed as white British.
In Blackburn and Manchester, less than 60 per cent of primary pupils
were white British and in Birmingham the figure was 43 per cent. In
Leicester, 41 per cent were white British, compared with 38 per cent
of primary pupils who were Asian. Nationally, 21.9 per cent of primary
school children were from ethnic minority backgrounds, up from 20.6
per cent last year. There was a similar rise in secondary schools.
In rural areas, the school population was almost entirely white. In
Devon, 95 per cent of primary pupils were white British. The number of
primary school pupils who do not speak English as their first language
increased by about seven per cent on last year's figures to 447,000,
or about one child in seven. Figures at secondary level showed a
similar rise in pupils not speaking English as their first language to
342,000 in total.
When special schools are included, 798,110 pupils in England's state
schools do not speak English as their first language. This is out of a
total of 7.3 million children attending state schools. Schools
minister Jim Knight said teachers were being given help to cope with
children whose first language is not English.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-details/UK+wh...
Ahhh the UK. A country with a proud past, and a bleak future.
Thousands of good men died staving off the German invasion only for it
to latter invade itself with the world's dross. A dross which has
been proven not to rise to the occasion, but instead drag it's host
down to it's own levels of chaos and unsutainability. One would
think it a pyhsical impossibilty to fuck oneself, but the UK has
managed it very nicely.
In the global village that has been thrust upon us, the UK would have
to rate the best candidate for the title 'Village Idiot'.
Be prepared for the day my friend when the bottomless golden purse suddenly
and unexpectedly runs out of money.
As Greenspan said in a TV interview a couple of days ago, the problem with
all politicians is that they point blankly refuse to look any further than
the end of their 'short term solution' noses.
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