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Australia fires: US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
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Mattb
2020-01-23 23:01:33 UTC
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US crew dead in firefighting plane crash

An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.

Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.

The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Peter Jason
2020-01-24 02:11:19 UTC
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Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
Ned Latham
2020-01-24 02:40:19 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
Morrison: the next backstabbing;
Fires: when the big floods return;
Global warming: when we can walk to Tassie on the ice;
Bleached coral: when the lights go out.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 01:28:41 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison,
Fires, Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
Morrison: the next backstabbing;
That would make it even worse, stupid.
Post by Ned Latham
Fires: when the big floods return;
Global warming: when we can walk to Tassie on the ice;
Bleached coral: when the lights go out.
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 02:10:08 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison,
Fires, Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
Morrison: the next backstabbing;
That would make it even worse, stupid.
Nope. They don't talk about Rudd these days. Or Gillard. Turnbull and
Abbott have to go out of their way to get a mention...
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Ned Latham
Fires: when the big floods return;
Global warming: when we can walk to Tassie on the ice;
Bleached coral: when the lights go out.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 04:27:03 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison,
Fires, Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
Morrison: the next backstabbing;
That would make it even worse, stupid.
Nope.
Yep.
Post by Ned Latham
They don't talk about Rudd these days. Or Gillard. Turnbull
and Abbott have to go out of their way to get a mention...
Still get mentioned, particularly when they remain in parliament, stupid.
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 04:56:01 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Ned Latham
They don't talk about Rudd these days. Or Gillard. Turnbull
and Abbott have to go out of their way to get a mention...
Still get mentioned, particularly when they remain in parliament, stupid.
Mentioned. Wow. Now there's a huge distraction from real news.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 05:04:23 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
----snip----
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Ned Latham
They don't talk about Rudd these days. Or Gillard. Turnbull
and Abbott have to go out of their way to get a mention...
Still get mentioned, particularly when they remain in parliament, stupid.
Mentioned.
Abbott was a lot more than just mentioned until he lost his seat.
Mattb
2020-01-24 07:52:42 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
Well of the fires when they are over. Hopefully soon.
news18
2020-01-24 12:43:17 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
FMurtz
2020-01-24 14:44:46 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
Ördög
2020-01-24 21:02:06 UTC
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news18
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Post by news18
Post by Peter Jason
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
Sadly similar hard decisions ever more frequently need to be made thanks
to LNP, which mindlessly cuts essential services in order to manufacture
so called budget surplussed, to deliver unnecessary tax cuts for their
business overlords and to cater for their capitalist libertarian and free
marketeering neo-liberal constituents' rabid ideologies.

Just imagine if the RFS was properly staffed and funded! Maybe we could
keep the Wollemi pines AND people's houses undamaged both at the same
time.

And just imagine, if Australian governments actually had proper policies
to mitigate AGW! Maybe if we had those at least the further warming of
the climate, a significant contributor to the fierceness of those fires
could be reduced.

Yes, just imagine, if we actually had a decent government and a saner
social and a saner econopolitical system in OZ!
--
Ördög, without any apologies !!!
Ned Latham
2020-01-24 21:41:28 UTC
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The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") jumps on
another bandwagon...

----leftard drivel snipped----
Post by Ördög
Just imagine if the RFS was properly staffed and funded! Maybe we
could keep the Wollemi pines AND people's houses undamaged both
at the same time.
Just imagine if the watermelons hadn't sabotaged RFS and private
hazard reduction efforts with their idiot "environmentalism".
Post by Ördög
And just imagine, if Australian governments actually had proper
policies to mitigate AGW!
Just imagine if these AGW alarmistrs could get it into their pointy
little heads that *nothing* we do against AGW will have any effect
at all in anything less than half a century.
Post by Ördög
Maybe if we had those at least the further warming
of the climate, a significant contributor to the fierceness of
those fires could be reduced.
Maybe they'd realise along with the sane among us that we need first
to deal with the problems we have now.
Post by Ördög
Yes, just imagine, if we actually had a decent government and a saner
social and a saner econopolitical system in OZ!
Yap-Yap "thinks" that communism is sane. Apparently it's unaware that
communism violates the suyrvival imperative at a most basic level;
that there is *no* sustaining communism without massively expensive
and intrusive oppression of the entire population and except in
limited paradisical environments such as in Cuba, without massive
death tolls from idiotologically induced famines.

Yap-Yap wouldn't recognise either decency *or* sanity if they bit it
on the arse. It's a foul, diseased, white-anting lunatic.
Peter Jason
2020-01-24 21:28:40 UTC
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Post by FMurtz
Post by news18
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
Good heavens! I have a Wollemi Pine grown from a small seedling, but
now too big for me. My cousin is meant to take it off my hands but
she will not show up.
https://postimg.cc/m1RRH1k3
Petzl
2020-01-24 22:02:20 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by FMurtz
Post by news18
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
Good heavens! I have a Wollemi Pine grown from a small seedling, but
now too big for me. My cousin is meant to take it off my hands but
she will not show up.
https://postimg.cc/m1RRH1k3
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
Dechucka
2020-01-25 00:12:50 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Petzl
2020-01-25 00:20:19 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit
I said 2 km between the bush and a town
Farm home on property needs at least 1 km

The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
Ördög
2020-01-25 01:12:35 UTC
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Petz
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Petz
snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm home
on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km. Anyhow you are on record demanding 1 km radius
clearings, so your point is what?
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire by
an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead tinder
dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, B.J. Foster Lion's farts, Mad Ned Latham,
the Little Jonzie Howard troll in his current reincarnation, that
septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb and randomly blown-in
Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 01:26:33 UTC
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The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") can't do
arithmetic...

(Like that's a surprise. It can't even count.)
Post by Ördög
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm home
on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km.
Both, you fucking moron. When are you going to learn to read?
Post by Ördög
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire by
an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead tinder
dry grass around it alight.
Might, shmight. Who, other than a watermelon, is going to leave bushfire
fuel in the back yard?
Post by Ördög
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash.
A tenth of a kilometre, you moron, is one hundred metres.
Post by Ördög
Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
Cool, Calm and Collected. Like its occupants.
Petzl
2020-01-25 01:28:41 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 01:12:35 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Petz
snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm home
on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km. Anyhow you are on record demanding 1 km radius
clearings, so your point is what?
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire by
an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead tinder
dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
You are full of lying communist crap. The only communists in
Australia's are hiding under the banner of "Greens Party"
They are responsible for most if not all of the fires in Australia.
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
Ördög
2020-01-25 02:01:16 UTC
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Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
Dechucka
Petz snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a
tree and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm
home on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km. Anyhow you are on record demanding 1 km
radius clearings, so your point is what?
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire
by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead
tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
You are full of lying communist crap.
What does a socio and econopolitical ideology have to do with bush
fires, ember attacks and burning plum trees???
Post by Petzl
The only communists in Australia's
are hiding under the banner of "Greens Party"
C'me Petz dear! Why should communists have to hide within the centre Left
Green Party?
Oh look, they don't need to hide: <https://www.cpa.org.au/>
Post by Petzl
They are responsible for most if not all of the fires in Australia.
You are keep repeating that BS w/o even a shred of evidence to prove it.
Voices in your head don't count as evidence!

Repetitions don't make phantasms into reality.
--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, B.J. Foster Lion's farts, Mad Ned Latham,
the Little Jonzie Howard troll in his current reincarnation, that
septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb and randomly blown-in
Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 04:24:33 UTC
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Post by Petzl
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 01:12:35 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Petz
snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm home
on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km. Anyhow you are on record demanding 1 km radius
clearings, so your point is what?
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire by
an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead tinder
dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
You are full of lying communist crap. The only communists in
Australia's are hiding under the banner of "Greens Party"
They are responsible for most if not all of the fires in Australia.
That's bullshit. Most are started by lightning and accidents.
jonz
2020-01-25 05:14:40 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Petzl
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 01:12:35 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Petz
snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm home
on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km. Anyhow you are on record demanding 1 km radius
clearings, so your point is what?
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire by
an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead tinder
dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
You are full of lying communist crap. The only communists in
Australia's are hiding under the banner of "Greens Party"
They are responsible for most if not all of the fires in Australia.
That's bullshit. Most are started by lightning and accidents.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Crap!
Dechucka
2020-01-25 05:17:52 UTC
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Post by jonz
Post by Rod Speed
That's bullshit. Most are started by lightning and accidents.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Crap!
Please show the analysis of how the recent fires have started in NSW.
Hope it is deeper and more accurate then your fantasies about the lack
of HRs in NSW
jonz
2020-01-25 05:32:26 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
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Post by jonz
Post by Rod Speed
That's bullshit. Most are started by lightning and accidents.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Crap!
Please show the analysis of how the recent fires have started in NSW.
Hope it is deeper and more accurate then your fantasies about the lack
of HRs in NSW
~~~~~~~~~~~
And *more* crap!.
Petzl
2020-01-25 01:30:31 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 01:12:35 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Petz
snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm home
on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km. Anyhow you are on record demanding 1 km radius
clearings, so your point is what?
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire by
an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead tinder
dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
Ördög
2020-01-25 01:48:51 UTC
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Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire
by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead
tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney. Concrete
tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.

Next!

--
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Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, B.J. Foster Lion's farts, Mad Ned Latham,
the Little Jonzie Howard troll in his current reincarnation, that
septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb and randomly blown-in
Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
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Dechucka
2020-01-25 02:54:53 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire
by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead
tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney.
Lots of other fires however
Post by Ördög
Concrete
tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.
I can see people heading off with the kids to a concrete-change
Ördög
2020-01-25 03:09:17 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on
fire by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the
dead tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet
it is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it
would be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney.
Lots of other fires however
True, although it is not concrete that fuels those fires.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Concrete tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.
I can see people heading off with the kids to a concrete-change
Well, at the moment that might be safer there than right in the middle of
the bush.

I wonder on the long term how will Australia adapt to the changing
climate.

Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it was
before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around the
corner.
--
Ördög, without any apologies !!!
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 03:17:42 UTC
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The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") is trying
to put on a cloak of intelligence...
Post by Ördög
Post by Dechucka
Lots of other fires however
True, although it is not concrete that fuels those fires.
No shit, sherlock. How long'd it take yer to work that out?
Dechucka
2020-01-25 03:33:53 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on
fire by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the
dead tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet
it is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it
would be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney.
Lots of other fires however
True, although it is not concrete that fuels those fires.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Concrete tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.
I can see people heading off with the kids to a concrete-change
Well, at the moment that might be safer there than right in the middle of
the bush.
Sadly to true.
Post by Ördög
I wonder on the long term how will Australia adapt to the changing
climate.
If we follow the lead of the politicians we won't do anything. I see
even Darwin is getting worried about water with an increasing ?
population but also increased evaporation from the dams
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it was
before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around the
corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding. In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Fran
2020-01-25 04:29:15 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it was
before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around the
corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding.
Yep.

In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
Post by Dechucka
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Yep. I just posted a Youtube clip from Tim Minchin which shows how long
we've been getting the same advice and how little has been done by both
sides of politiics.

Some British said about our current bushfires, that Australia was the
canary in the coal mine. I'm starting to suspect he's right. If it's
not fires, its drought or dust storms or increasingly severe water
restrictions regardless of whether it's in rural towns and villages or
on rural blocks on tank water. Not that city dwellers know any of that.
Ördög
2020-01-25 04:49:15 UTC
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Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding.
Yep.
In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
Post by Dechucka
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Yep. I just posted a Youtube clip from Tim Minchin which shows how long
we've been getting the same advice and how little has been done by both
sides of politiics.
Some British said about our current bushfires, that Australia was the
canary in the coal mine. I'm starting to suspect he's right. If it's
not fires, its drought or dust storms or increasingly severe water
restrictions regardless of whether it's in rural towns and villages or
on rural blocks on tank water. Not that city dwellers know any of that.
Fran, Sydney is already on water restrictions level two, and three is
coming for sure. Funnily (or not so) enough I can still remember the
LNP's
artificial outrage about need for the Labor initiated building of the
water desalination plant (which, as it turned out, not nearly large
enough in view of the sever draught caused water scarcity). Given the
size and the rate of population plus industrial growth in the Sydney
basin we are not too far behind from the severity of the problems country
towns are now facing.

Raising the dam walls in Warragamba ( as the LNP intends to do) will do
bugger all for increasing water availability for Sydney, even if every LNP
member suddenly starts pissing into the catchment, as that bloody rain is
just not coming due to AGW caused climate change.
--
Ördög, without any apologies !!!
Fran
2020-01-25 10:18:59 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding.
Yep.
In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
Post by Dechucka
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Yep. I just posted a Youtube clip from Tim Minchin which shows how long
we've been getting the same advice and how little has been done by both
sides of politiics.
Some British said about our current bushfires, that Australia was the
canary in the coal mine. I'm starting to suspect he's right. If it's
not fires, its drought or dust storms or increasingly severe water
restrictions regardless of whether it's in rural towns and villages or
on rural blocks on tank water. Not that city dwellers know any of that.
Fran, Sydney is already on water restrictions level two, and three is
coming for sure.
Come and live where I live and water is only one of the problems.
Yesterday, we had to go to a town about an hour's drive away dragging a
trailer. Giant dust storm. At times we had trouble seeing more than
100 metres ahead and it was at it's worse as we passed canola paddocks.
It can't have been good for the engine let alone our eyes.

Funnily (or not so) enough I can still remember the
Post by Ördög
LNP's
artificial outrage about need for the Labor initiated building of the
water desalination plant (which, as it turned out, not nearly large
enough in view of the sever draught caused water scarcity). Given the
size and the rate of population plus industrial growth in the Sydney
basin we are not too far behind from the severity of the problems country
towns are now facing.
I think it will take Sydney having the sort of probs we rurals get
before people will really wake up to the problems we've got as a nation.
I dunno how farmers are going to turn a profit if this drought ends.
The soil profile is as dead as a dodo and without living soil, it's hard
to produce a quality product. I've been making lactobacillus serum
hoping to help my own soil but can't see farmers trying thaton a broad
scale. Buggered if I know if it works but my soil has not been happy
and I've been cock a hoop if I found a worm - I think it works but if
it's just a placebo and I get more worms, I'll be happy.
Post by Ördög
Raising the dam walls in Warragamba ( as the LNP intends to do) will do
bugger all for increasing water availability for Sydney, even if every LNP
member suddenly starts pissing into the catchment, as that bloody rain is
just not coming due to AGW caused climate change.
I agree - no rain, no increase in dam or river level. You should see
the level of the 'Bidgee at Tharwa just south of Canberra. Bloody dire:
https://tinyurl.com/uhqdn4t
jonz
2020-01-25 11:10:16 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Ördög
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding.
Yep.
In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
Post by Dechucka
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Yep. I just posted a Youtube clip from Tim Minchin which shows how long
we've been getting the same advice and how little has been done by both
sides of politiics.
Some British said about our current bushfires, that Australia was the
canary in the coal mine. I'm starting to suspect he's right. If it's
not fires, its drought or dust storms or increasingly severe water
restrictions regardless of whether it's in rural towns and villages or
on rural blocks on tank water. Not that city dwellers know any of that.
Fran, Sydney is already on water restrictions level two, and three is
coming for sure.
Come and live where I live and water is only one of the problems.
Yesterday, we had to go to a town about an hour's drive away dragging a
trailer. Giant dust storm. At times we had trouble seeing more than
100 metres ahead and it was at it's worse as we passed canola paddocks.
It can't have been good for the engine let alone our eyes.
Funnily (or not so) enough I can still remember the
Post by Ördög
LNP's
artificial outrage about need for the Labor initiated building of the
water desalination plant (which, as it turned out, not nearly large
enough in view of the sever draught caused water scarcity). Given the
size and the rate of population plus industrial growth in the Sydney
basin we are not too far behind from the severity of the problems country
towns are now facing.
I think it will take Sydney having the sort of probs we rurals get
before people will really wake up to the problems we've got as a nation.
I dunno how farmers are going to turn a profit if this drought ends.
The soil profile is as dead as a dodo and without living soil, it's hard
to produce a quality product. I've been making lactobacillus serum
hoping to help my own soil but can't see farmers trying thaton a broad
scale. Buggered if I know if it works but my soil has not been happy
and I've been cock a hoop if I found a worm - I think it works but if
it's just a placebo and I get more worms, I'll be happy.
Post by Ördög
Raising the dam walls in Warragamba ( as the LNP intends to do) will do
bugger all for increasing water availability for Sydney, even if every LNP
member suddenly starts pissing into the catchment, as that bloody rain is
just not coming due to AGW caused climate change.
I agree - no rain, no increase in dam or river level. You should see
https://tinyurl.com/uhqdn4t
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are You tim flannery in disguise ????....Or just one more fuckwit????. <SHRUG>
news18
2020-01-25 11:10:52 UTC
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Post by Fran
I agree - no rain, no increase in dam or river level. You should see
https://tinyurl.com/uhqdn4t
The boss has been watching the flow, or rather non-flow of the Condamine
Rivers for the last few months. It starts at The Head and is the start of
what becomes the Darling River. Not looking good there either.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 15:34:04 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by Fran
I agree - no rain, no increase in dam or river level. You should see
https://tinyurl.com/uhqdn4t
That’s not the whole bidgee,, stupid cow.
Post by news18
The boss has been watching the flow, or rather non-flow of the Condamine
Rivers for the last few months. It starts at The Head and is the start of
what becomes the Darling River. Not looking good there either.
Its all happened before and was fine once the drought
ended as it always does.
Fran
2020-01-25 21:10:51 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by Fran
I agree - no rain, no increase in dam or river level. You should see
https://tinyurl.com/uhqdn4t
The boss has been watching the flow, or rather non-flow of the Condamine
Rivers for the last few months. It starts at The Head and is the start of
what becomes the Darling River. Not looking good there either.
:-((
news18
2020-01-25 22:27:57 UTC
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Post by Fran
I think it will take Sydney having the sort of probs we rurals get
before people will really wake up to the problems we've got as a nation.
It is coming. what they thing is a temporary price rise on food, etc is
going to be very long term as the whole environment that underpins a lot
of our food production has been smashed.

It was interesting to find out the DPI is sourcing sugar to keep bee
hives alive. will not do anything about making up for the number of
incinerated hives, but it might just make it a bit faster to rebuid the
pollination services they provide.

As well as stocking up on honey, which you shoud have done, people might
like to stock up on nuts and a whole pile of other produce that will be
in short supply.
Post by Fran
I dunno how farmers are going to turn a profit if this drought ends.
The soil profile is as dead as a dodo and without living soil, it's hard
to produce a quality product. I've been making lactobacillus serum
hoping to help my own soil but can't see farmers trying thaton a broad
scale.
Well, only if they pay more for milk than the supermarkets.
Post by Fran
Buggered if I know if it works but my soil has not been happy
and I've been cock a hoop if I found a worm - I think it works but if
it's just a placebo and I get more worms, I'll be happy.
Post by Ördög
Raising the dam walls in Warragamba ( as the LNP intends to do) will do
bugger all for increasing water availability for Sydney, even if every
LNP member suddenly starts pissing into the catchment, as that bloody
rain is just not coming due to AGW caused climate change.
The dam raising is for "flood control" when the gobal warming results in
massive rain fall over the catchment. The pollies want to change zoning
laws to allow massive residential area in the Western Sydney flood plain
so they can get their usual backhander from developers.
Post by Fran
I agree - no rain, no increase in dam or river level. You should see
https://tinyurl.com/uhqdn4t
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 22:54:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by news18
Post by Fran
I think it will take Sydney having the sort of probs we rurals get
before people will really wake up to the problems we've got as a nation.
It is coming. what they thing is a temporary price rise on food,
etc is going to be very long term as the whole environment
that underpins a lot of our food production has been smashed.
Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you
usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by news18
It was interesting to find out the DPI is sourcing sugar to
keep bee hives alive. will not do anything about making up
for the number of incinerated hives, but it might just make
it a bit faster to rebuid the pollination services they provide.
As well as stocking up on honey, which you shoud have
done, people might like to stock up on nuts and a
whole pile of other produce that will be in short supply.
Pig arse it will.
Post by news18
Post by Fran
I dunno how farmers are going to turn a profit if this
drought ends. The soil profile is as dead as a dodo and
without living soil, it's hard to produce a quality product.
I've been making lactobacillus serum hoping to help my
own soil but can't see farmers trying thaton a broad scale.
Mindless hysterical silly stuff.
Post by news18
Well, only if they pay more for milk than the supermarkets.
Post by Fran
Buggered if I know if it works but my soil has not been happy
and I've been cock a hoop if I found a worm - I think it works but if
it's just a placebo and I get more worms, I'll be happy.
Post by Ördög
Raising the dam walls in Warragamba ( as the LNP intends to do) will
do bugger all for increasing water availability for Sydney, even if
every
LNP member suddenly starts pissing into the catchment, as that bloody
rain is just not coming due to AGW caused climate change.
The dam raising is for "flood control" when the gobal
warming results in massive rain fall over the catchment.
It wont, you watch.
Post by news18
The pollies want to change zoning laws to allow massive
residential area in the Western Sydney flood plain so they
can get their usual backhander from developers.
Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you
usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by news18
Post by Fran
I agree - no rain, no increase in dam or river level.
You should see the level of the 'Bidgee at Tharwa
https://tinyurl.com/uhqdn4t
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:50:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fran
Post by Ördög
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding.
Yep.
In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
Post by Dechucka
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Yep. I just posted a Youtube clip from Tim Minchin which shows how long
we've been getting the same advice and how little has been done by both
sides of politiics.
Some British said about our current bushfires, that Australia was the
canary in the coal mine. I'm starting to suspect he's right. If it's
not fires, its drought or dust storms or increasingly severe water
restrictions regardless of whether it's in rural towns and villages or
on rural blocks on tank water. Not that city dwellers know any of that.
Fran, Sydney is already on water restrictions level two, and three is
coming for sure.
Come and live where I live and water is only one of the problems.
Yesterday, we had to go to a town about an hour's drive away dragging a
trailer. Giant dust storm. At times we had trouble seeing more than 100
metres ahead and it was at it's worse as we passed canola paddocks. It
can't have been good for the engine
That’s what the air filter is there for, fuckwit.
Post by Fran
let alone our eyes.
Funnily (or not so) enough I can still remember the
Post by Ördög
LNP's
artificial outrage about need for the Labor initiated building of the
water desalination plant (which, as it turned out, not nearly large
enough in view of the sever draught caused water scarcity). Given the
size and the rate of population plus industrial growth in the Sydney
basin we are not too far behind from the severity of the problems country
towns are now facing.
I think it will take Sydney having the sort of probs we rurals get before
people will really wake up to the problems we've got as a nation. I dunno
how farmers are going to turn a profit if this drought ends. The soil
profile is as dead as a dodo and without living soil, it's hard to produce
a quality product. I've been making lactobacillus serum hoping to help my
own soil but can't see farmers trying thaton a broad scale. Buggered if I
know if it works but my soil has not been happy and I've been cock a hoop
if I found a worm - I think it works but if it's just a placebo and I get
more worms, I'll be happy.
Post by Ördög
Raising the dam walls in Warragamba ( as the LNP intends to do) will do
bugger all for increasing water availability for Sydney, even if every LNP
member suddenly starts pissing into the catchment, as that bloody rain is
just not coming due to AGW caused climate change.
I agree - no rain, no increase in dam or river level. You should see the
https://tinyurl.com/uhqdn4t
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 04:50:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on
fire by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the
dead tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet
it is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it
would be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney.
Lots of other fires however
True, although it is not concrete that fuels those fires.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Concrete tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.
I can see people heading off with the kids to a concrete-change
Well, at the moment that might be safer there than right in the middle of
the bush.
Sadly to true.
Post by Ördög
I wonder on the long term how will Australia adapt to the changing
climate.
If we follow the lead of the politicians we won't do anything.
There is nothing useful we can do that will change the climate.

Even if we shut down all coal and gas fired power generation,
banned all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of this country.
Post by Dechucka
I see even Darwin is getting worried about water with an increasing ?
population but also increased evaporation from the dams
Trivial to ban watered gardens.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it was
before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around the
corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened severely,
so much so that current insurance levels will not cover rebuilding. In
general people realize that their lovely bush-land or farm property comes
with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire is increasing in many
areas due to AGW.
Bullshit it is. We saw a similar bushfire season in Victoria in 1850
and the only difference this time is that the drought is much more
widespread this time and there is not a shred of evidence that the
extent of drought in this country is due to AGW. And even if it is, there
is nothing we can do in this country that will change the world climate.

The only thing that is feasible is to accept the fact that climate
does change quite dramatically naturally and work out how to
adjust to what climate change does happen.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 05:11:09 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on
fire by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the
dead tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet
it is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it
would be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney.
Lots of other fires however
True, although it is not concrete that fuels those fires.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Concrete tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.
I can see people heading off with the kids to a concrete-change
Well, at the moment that might be safer there than right in the middle of
the bush.
Sadly to true.
Post by Ördög
I wonder on the long term how will Australia adapt to the changing
climate.
If we follow the lead of the politicians we won't do anything.
There is nothing useful we can do that will change the climate.
Even if we shut down all coal and gas fired power generation,
banned all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of this country.
As with the situation of acid rain and ozone depleting chemicals the
reaction needs to be Global. However I would prefer Aus to be a leader
rather than a country being dragged along because it's Gov is led by
people more interested in the next election rather than the future.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I see even Darwin is getting worried about water with an increasing ?
population but also increased evaporation from the dams
Trivial to ban watered gardens.
Darwin IN THE TROPICS is looking at water shortages
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it was
before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around the
corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding. In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Bullshit it is. We saw a similar bushfire season in Victoria in 1850
and the only difference this time is that the drought is much more
widespread this time and there is not a shred of evidence that the
extent of drought in this country is due to AGW. And even if it is, there
is nothing we can do in this country that will change the world climate.
We can be a leader
Post by Rod Speed
The only thing that is feasible is to accept the fact that climate
does change quite dramatically naturally and work out how to
adjust to what climate change does happen.
This is not natural variation, in fact it seems that natural variation
is slowing the effects of AGW
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 05:41:59 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
As with the situation of acid rain and ozone depleting chemicals
You *still* haven't worked that one out? You've been told, you moron.
Get a clue, for fuck's sake.

http://www.users.on.net/~nedlatham/Science/OzoneLayer/index.html
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 06:04:19 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on
fire by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the
dead tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet
it is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it
would be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney.
Lots of other fires however
True, although it is not concrete that fuels those fires.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Concrete tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.
I can see people heading off with the kids to a concrete-change
Well, at the moment that might be safer there than right in the middle of
the bush.
Sadly to true.
Post by Ördög
I wonder on the long term how will Australia adapt to the changing
climate.
If we follow the lead of the politicians we won't do anything.
There is nothing useful we can do that will change the climate.
Even if we shut down all coal and gas fired power generation,
banned all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of this country.
As with the situation of acid rain and ozone depleting chemicals the
reaction needs to be Global.
Taint gunna happen because the cost is much higher
than it was with acid rain and ozone chemicals.
Post by Dechucka
However I would prefer Aus to be a leader
More fool you when it aint gunna happen.
Post by Dechucka
rather than a country being dragged along
Taint gunna happen either.
Post by Dechucka
because it's Gov is led by people more interested in the next election
Pollys always are.
Post by Dechucka
rather than the future.
Nothing the world can do will have any effect on world climate.

Even if the entire world was actually stupid enough to
down all coal and gas fired power generation, banned
all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of the world.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I see even Darwin is getting worried about water with an increasing ?
population but also increased evaporation from the dams
Trivial to ban watered gardens.
Darwin IN THE TROPICS is looking at water shortages
Because they are too stupid to have built enough dams to catch
the monsoon rains and use those in the dry season, stupid.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding. In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Bullshit it is. We saw a similar bushfire season in Victoria in 1850 and
the only difference this time is that the drought is much more widespread
this time and there is not a shred of evidence that the extent of drought
in this country is due to AGW. And even if it is, there is nothing we can
do in this country that will change the world climate.
We can be a leader
In doing shit that wont change a thing climate wise.

Wont do a damned thing about the drought that
have been seen in this country for millennia now.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
The only thing that is feasible is to accept the fact that climate does
change quite dramatically naturally and work out how to adjust to what
climate change does happen.
This is not natural variation,
The 1850 bushfires in Victoria proves that
the climate hasn’t changed due to GHGs
Post by Dechucka
in fact it seems that natural variation is slowing the effects of AGW
There is no effect of AGW and the 1850 bushfires proves that.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 10:39:18 UTC
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snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if we shut down all coal and gas fired power generation,
banned all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of this country.
As with the situation of acid rain and ozone depleting chemicals the
reaction needs to be Global.
Taint gunna happen because the cost is much higher
than it was with acid rain and ozone chemicals.
So we fuck the world up because it costs to much? What will the future
costs of AGW be, typical short sighted thinking
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
However I would prefer Aus to be a leader
More fool you when it aint gunna happen.
One can hope, we've been a leader before and I for one have hope we'll
lead not be a sheeple as you're happy with
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
rather than a country being dragged along
Taint gunna happen either.
Post by Dechucka
because it's Gov is led by people more interested in the next election
Pollys always are.
Post by Dechucka
rather than the future.
Nothing the world can do will have any effect on world climate.
It is at the moment
Post by Rod Speed
Even if the entire world was actually stupid enough to
down all coal and gas fired power generation, banned
all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of the world.
All these things are effecting it now
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I see even Darwin is getting worried about water with an increasing
? population but also increased evaporation from the dams
Trivial to ban watered gardens.
Darwin IN THE TROPICS is looking at water shortages
Because they are too stupid to have built enough dams to catch
the monsoon rains and use those in the dry season, stupid.
Rainfall is decreasing and evaporation increasing
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as
it was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting
around the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding. In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of
bush-fire is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Bullshit it is. We saw a similar bushfire season in Victoria in 1850
and the only difference this time is that the drought is much more
widespread this time and there is not a shred of evidence that the
extent of drought in this country is due to AGW. And even if it is,
there is nothing we can do in this country that will change the world
climate.
We can be a leader
In doing shit that wont change a thing climate wise.
Wont do a damned thing about the drought that
have been seen in this country for millennia now.
You are mixing up weather and climate
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
The only thing that is feasible is to accept the fact that climate
does change quite dramatically naturally and work out how to adjust
to what climate change does happen.
This is not natural variation,
The 1850 bushfires in Victoria proves that
the climate hasn’t changed due to GHGs
What an inanely stupid comment
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
in fact it seems that natural variation is slowing the effects of AGW
There is no effect of AGW and the 1850 bushfires proves that.
The science of GHG was shown in the 1820's. What effect has pumping
millions of tonnes of them into the atmosphere had? Explain the science
behind your answer
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 15:12:56 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if we shut down all coal and gas fired power generation,
banned all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of this country.
As with the situation of acid rain and ozone depleting chemicals the
reaction needs to be Global.
Taint gunna happen because the cost is much higher
than it was with acid rain and ozone chemicals.
So we fuck the world up
No evidence that we are fucking the world up.

Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently
is due to man made climate change, we have seen
that before when the vikings choose to move there
and that worked out fine.
Post by Dechucka
because it costs to much?
Nope, because its pissing a vast amount of money
against the wall and will achieve nothing if we did.

Even if we scrapped all coal and gas fired power
stations and replaced them with nukes and wind
and solar and banned all aircraft and only used
nuke powered ships and banned all cars and
other vehicles and walked everywhere or rode
bikes everywhere, that would not see any useful;
change in the world climate.
Post by Dechucka
What will the future costs of AGW be,
Fuck all. It worked fine when the vikings moved
to greenland and will work fine again.
Post by Dechucka
typical short sighted thinking
Typical mindless hysteria in your case.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
However I would prefer Aus to be a leader
More fool you when it aint gunna happen.
One can hope,
Only a terminal fuckwit does with this issue.

Even if we scrapped all coal and gas fired power
stations and replaced them with nukes and wind
and solar and banned all aircraft and only used
nuke powered ships and banned all cars and
other vehicles and walked everywhere or rode
bikes everywhere, that would not see the rest
of the world actually stupid enough to copy us.
Post by Dechucka
we've been a leader before
But didn’t actually get others to do the same
because of that. We just happened to do it
earlier than the others with a few things like
votes for women, a national minimum wage,
the arbitration commission etc and none of
those cost much at all and didn’t fuck the
economy completely.
Post by Dechucka
and I for one have hope we'll lead
We never did and never will do, you watch,.
Post by Dechucka
not be a sheeple as you're happy with
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
rather than a country being dragged along
Taint gunna happen either.
Post by Dechucka
because it's Gov is led by people more interested in the next election
Pollys always are.
Post by Dechucka
rather than the future.
Nothing the world can do will have any effect on world climate.
It is at the moment
Nope, its certainly changing but it has done plenty
of times in the past. The result that greenland got
all those centurys ago wasn’t due to moving from
a hunter gatherer society to agriculture and even
if it was we did fine anyway.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if the entire world was actually stupid enough to
ban all coal and gas fired power generation, banned
all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of the world.
All these things are effecting it now
Bullshit they are given that Greenland was this warm before.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I see even Darwin is getting worried about water with an increasing ?
population but also increased evaporation from the dams
Trivial to ban watered gardens.
Darwin IN THE TROPICS is looking at water shortages
Because they are too stupid to have built enough dams to catch
the monsoon rains and use those in the dry season, stupid.
Rainfall is decreasing and evaporation increasing
Bullshit it is with both and more dams would work fine even if they were.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting
around the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding. In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Bullshit it is. We saw a similar bushfire season in Victoria in 1850
and the only difference this time is that the drought is much more
widespread this time and there is not a shred of evidence that the
extent of drought in this country is due to AGW. And even if it is,
there is nothing we can do in this country that will change the world
climate.
We can be a leader
In doing shit that wont change a thing climate wise.
Wont do a damned thing about the drought that
have been seen in this country for millennia now.
You are mixing up weather and climate
Wrong, as always. We have seen the climate that
we are seeing in Greenland today, before and it
worked fine then and will work fine again.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
The only thing that is feasible is to accept the fact that climate does
change quite dramatically naturally and work out how to adjust to what
climate change does happen.
This is not natural variation,
The 1850 bushfires in Victoria proves that
the climate hasn’t changed due to GHGs
What an inanely stupid comment
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
in fact it seems that natural variation is slowing the effects of AGW
There is no effect of AGW and the 1850 bushfires proves that.
The science of GHG was shown in the 1820's.
But Greenland proves that it isnt the reason that
Greenland is again seeing the climate that it saw
when the vikings chose to move there.
Post by Dechucka
What effect has pumping millions of tonnes of them into the atmosphere
had?
Clearly none given that Greenland is again seeing
the climate that it did a millennium ago when the
only GHGs was methane from some domesticated
animals and the use of wood for heating and cooking.
Post by Dechucka
Explain the science behind your answer
Just did. >
Dechucka
2020-01-25 20:25:00 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if we shut down all coal and gas fired power generation,
banned all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of this country.
As with the situation of acid rain and ozone depleting chemicals the
reaction needs to be Global.
Taint gunna happen because the cost is much higher
than it was with acid rain and ozone chemicals.
So we fuck the world up
No evidence that we are fucking the world up.
Of course there is. We are throwing our waste out into the environment.
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Post by Rod Speed
Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently
is due to man made climate change, we have seen
that before when the vikings choose to move there
and that worked out fine.
you're mixing up natural climate variation with AGW.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
because it costs to much?
Nope, because its pissing a vast amount of money
against the wall and will achieve nothing if we did.
Even if we scrapped all coal and gas fired power
stations and replaced them with nukes and wind
and solar and banned all aircraft and only used
nuke powered ships and banned all cars and
other vehicles and walked everywhere or rode
bikes everywhere, that would not see any useful;
change in the world climate.
Why not?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What will the future costs of AGW be,
Fuck all.
A tad pricey at the moment

It worked fine when the vikings moved
Post by Rod Speed
to greenland and will work fine again.
Post by Dechucka
typical short sighted thinking
Typical mindless hysteria in your case.
Sorry the science of AGW has been around since the 1820s
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
However I would prefer Aus to be a leader
More fool you when it aint gunna happen.
One can hope,
Only a terminal fuckwit does with this issue.
Even if we scrapped all coal and gas fired power
stations and replaced them with nukes and wind
and solar and banned all aircraft and only used
nuke powered ships and banned all cars and
other vehicles and walked everywhere or rode
bikes everywhere, that would not see the rest
of the world actually stupid enough to copy us.
Post by Dechucka
we've been a leader before
But didn’t actually get others to do the same
because of that. We just happened to do it
earlier than the others with a few things like
votes for women, a national minimum wage,
the arbitration commission etc and none of
those cost much at all and didn’t fuck the
economy completely.
As the world goes to shit in a hand-bag RS as he he keels over from old
age in the next year or 2 will still be croaking "It's OK the economy is
strong"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
and I for one have hope we'll lead
We never did and never will do, you watch,.
Post by Dechucka
not be a sheeple as you're happy with
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
rather than a country being dragged along
Taint gunna happen either.
Post by Dechucka
because it's Gov is led by people more interested in the next election
Pollys always are.
Post by Dechucka
rather than the future.
Nothing the world can do will have any effect on world climate.
It is at the moment
Nope, its certainly changing but it has done plenty
of times in the past. The result that greenland got
all those centurys ago wasn’t due to moving from
a hunter gatherer society to agriculture and even
if it was we did fine anyway.
What point are you trying to make?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if the entire world was actually stupid enough to
ban all coal and gas fired power generation, banned
all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of the world.
All these things are effecting it now
Bullshit they are given that Greenland was this warm before.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I see even Darwin is getting worried about water with an
increasing ? population but also increased evaporation from the dams
Trivial to ban watered gardens.
Darwin IN THE TROPICS is looking at water shortages
Because they are too stupid to have built enough dams to catch
the monsoon rains and use those in the dry season, stupid.
Rainfall is decreasing and evaporation increasing
Bullshit it is with both and more dams would work fine even if they were.
LOL are you really serious?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning
and building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same
as it was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just
waiting around the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding. In general people realize that their lovely bush-land
or farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of
bush-fire is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Bullshit it is. We saw a similar bushfire season in Victoria in
1850 and the only difference this time is that the drought is much
more widespread this time and there is not a shred of evidence that
the extent of drought in this country is due to AGW. And even if it
is, there is nothing we can do in this country that will change the
world climate.
We can be a leader
In doing shit that wont change a thing climate wise.
Wont do a damned thing about the drought that
have been seen in this country for millennia now.
You are mixing up weather and climate
Wrong, as always. We have seen the climate that
we are seeing in Greenland today, before and it
worked fine then and will work fine again.
What is it with you and Greenland. Why was Greenland warmer before? What
was the science behing the gradual change in climate that allowed
adaptation?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
The only thing that is feasible is to accept the fact that climate
does change quite dramatically naturally and work out how to adjust
to what climate change does happen.
This is not natural variation,
The 1850 bushfires in Victoria proves that
the climate hasn’t changed due to GHGs
What an inanely stupid comment
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
in fact it seems that natural variation is slowing the effects of AGW
There is no effect of AGW and the 1850 bushfires proves that.
The science of GHG was shown in the 1820's.
But Greenland proves that it isnt the reason that
Greenland is again seeing the climate that it saw
when the vikings chose to move there.
What do you believe the scientific basis in the changes in Greenland's
climates?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What effect has pumping millions of tonnes of them into the atmosphere
had?
Clearly none
How can that be?



given that Greenland is again seeing
Post by Rod Speed
the climate that it did a millennium ago when the
only GHGs was methane from some domesticated
animals and the use of wood for heating and cooking.
Post by Dechucka
Explain the science behind your answer
Just did. >
You didn't because you're a scientific ignoramus and a Luddite.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 21:45:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if we shut down all coal and gas fired power generation,
banned all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of this country.
As with the situation of acid rain and ozone depleting chemicals the
reaction needs to be Global.
Taint gunna happen because the cost is much higher
than it was with acid rain and ozone chemicals.
So we fuck the world up
No evidence that we are fucking the world up.
Of course there is. We are throwing our waste out into the environment.
In fact we do a lot less of that than we used to.
Post by Dechucka
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently
is due to man made climate change, we have seen
that before when the vikings choose to move there
and that worked out fine.
you're mixing up natural climate variation with AGW.
Nope, I am saying that whatever the cause of
that climate change, it worked fine in viking
times anyway. The sky didn’t fall, chicken little.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
because it costs to much?
Nope, because its pissing a vast amount of money
against the wall and will achieve nothing if we did.
Even if we scrapped all coal and gas fired power
stations and replaced them with nukes and wind
and solar and banned all aircraft and only used
nuke powered ships and banned all cars and
other vehicles and walked everywhere or rode
bikes everywhere, that would not see any useful;
change in the world climate.
Why not?
Because even with all those GHGs in the atmosphere there
has in fact been sweet fuck all change in the world's climate.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What will the future costs of AGW be,
Fuck all.
A tad pricey at the moment
That’s bullshit. The 1850 bushfire season was just as bad in Victoria.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
It worked fine when the vikings moved
to greenland and will work fine again.
Post by Dechucka
typical short sighted thinking
Typical mindless hysteria in your case.
Sorry the science of AGW has been around since the 1820s
But we have in fact seen sweet fuck all change of climate due to that.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
However I would prefer Aus to be a leader
More fool you when it aint gunna happen.
One can hope,
Only a terminal fuckwit does with this issue.
Even if we scrapped all coal and gas fired power
stations and replaced them with nukes and wind
and solar and banned all aircraft and only used
nuke powered ships and banned all cars and
other vehicles and walked everywhere or rode
bikes everywhere, that would not see the rest
of the world actually stupid enough to copy us.
Post by Dechucka
we've been a leader before
But didn’t actually get others to do the same
because of that. We just happened to do it
earlier than the others with a few things like
votes for women, a national minimum wage,
the arbitration commission etc and none of
those cost much at all and didn’t fuck the
economy completely.
As the world goes to shit in a hand-bag
It is in fact doing nothing of the sort;.

<reams of your shit flushed where it belongs>

And nothing this country does will have any
effect on what the rest of the world does anyway.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
and I for one have hope we'll lead
We never did and never will do, you watch,.
Post by Dechucka
not be a sheeple as you're happy with
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
rather than a country being dragged along
Taint gunna happen either.
Post by Dechucka
because it's Gov is led by people more interested in the next election
Pollys always are.
Post by Dechucka
rather than the future.
Nothing the world can do will have any effect on world climate.
It is at the moment
Nope, its certainly changing but it has done plenty
of times in the past. The result that greenland got
all those centurys ago wasn’t due to moving from
a hunter gatherer society to agriculture and even
if it was we did fine anyway.
What point are you trying to make?
That climate is always changing and we handle that fine.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if the entire world was actually stupid enough to
ban all coal and gas fired power generation, banned
all cars and vehicles and walked everywhere, that would
have no effect what so ever on the climate of the world.
All these things are effecting it now
Bullshit they are given that Greenland was this warm before.
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I see even Darwin is getting worried about water with an increasing
? population but also increased evaporation from the dams
Trivial to ban watered gardens.
Darwin IN THE TROPICS is looking at water shortages
Because they are too stupid to have built enough dams to catch
the monsoon rains and use those in the dry season, stupid.
Rainfall is decreasing and evaporation increasing
Bullshit it is with both and more dams would work fine even if they were.
LOL are you really serious?
Corse I am when monsoons are inevitable there.
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Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as
it was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting
around the corner.
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding. In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of
bush-fire is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
Bullshit it is. We saw a similar bushfire season in Victoria in 1850
and the only difference this time is that the drought is much more
widespread this time and there is not a shred of evidence that the
extent of drought in this country is due to AGW. And even if it is,
there is nothing we can do in this country that will change the world
climate.
We can be a leader
In doing shit that wont change a thing climate wise.
Wont do a damned thing about the drought that
have been seen in this country for millennia now.
You are mixing up weather and climate
Wrong, as always. We have seen the climate that
we are seeing in Greenland today, before and it
worked fine then and will work fine again.
What is it with you and Greenland.
It’s the proof that we handled that climate change fine.
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Why was Greenland warmer before?
Doesn’t matter, we handled that fine.
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What was the science behing the gradual change in climate that allowed
adaptation?
Its just as gradual now. The Thames used to freeze
over at one time, it doesn’t now. Even the poms did
manage to handle that fine, even tho snow does see
their badly designed railway system grind to a halt
for a short time when that happens.
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The only thing that is feasible is to accept the fact that climate
does change quite dramatically naturally and work out how to adjust
to what climate change does happen.
This is not natural variation,
The 1850 bushfires in Victoria proves that
the climate hasn’t changed due to GHGs
What an inanely stupid comment
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
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in fact it seems that natural variation is slowing the effects of AGW
There is no effect of AGW and the 1850 bushfires proves that.
The science of GHG was shown in the 1820's.
But Greenland proves that it isnt the reason that
Greenland is again seeing the climate that it saw
when the vikings chose to move there.
What do you believe the scientific basis in the changes in Greenland's
climates?
Irrelevant to the fact that we handled that climate change fine.

We also handled the change in sea levels by HUNDREDS OF
FEET in previous times fine too, also due to climate change.
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What effect has pumping millions of tonnes of them into the atmosphere
had?
Clearly none
How can that be?
Because the change in CO2 levels that you stupid
hysterics keep mindlessly hyperventilating about
clearly has fuck all effect on the world climate.
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given that Greenland is again seeing
the climate that it did a millennium ago when the
only GHGs was methane from some domesticated
animals and the use of wood for heating and cooking.
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Explain the science behind your answer
Just did. >
<reams of the ad hom shit you always end up
with when you have got done like a fucking dinner,
as you always are, flushed where it belongs>
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Of course there is. We are throwing our waste out into the environment.
In fact we do a lot less of that than we used to.
Because thinking people know that dumping waste into the environment
(including GHGs) is not a great idea
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Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Exactly the same
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Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently
is due to man made climate change, we have seen
that before when the vikings choose to move there
and that worked out fine.
you're mixing up natural climate variation with AGW.
Nope, I am saying that whatever the cause of
that climate change, it worked fine in viking
times anyway. The sky didn’t fall, chicken little.
How many Vikings are there today. Long term they were fucked. Look I can
do inane arguments as well
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because it costs to much?
Nope, because its pissing a vast amount of money
against the wall and will achieve nothing if we did.
Even if we scrapped all coal and gas fired power
stations and replaced them with nukes and wind
and solar and banned all aircraft and only used
nuke powered ships and banned all cars and
other vehicles and walked everywhere or rode
bikes everywhere, that would not see any useful;
change in the world climate.
Why not?
Because even with all those GHGs in the atmosphere there
has in fact been sweet fuck all change in the world's climate.
You are of course wrong as the science shows but you are blissful.

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Of course there is. We are throwing our waste out into the environment.
In fact we do a lot less of that than we used to.
Because thinking people know that dumping waste into the environment
(including GHGs) is not a great idea
Must be why the Krauts are shutting down
their nukes and burning lignite coal instead.
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Exactly the same
Bullshit it is when there has been no measurable effect
on the world's climate since the industrial revolution.

There has been some measurable effect of the
worst of the volcanos but not with those gases.,
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
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Post by Rod Speed
Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently
is due to man made climate change, we have seen
that before when the vikings choose to move there
and that worked out fine.
you're mixing up natural climate variation with AGW.
Nope, I am saying that whatever the cause of
that climate change, it worked fine in viking
times anyway. The sky didn’t fall, chicken little.
How many Vikings are there today.
Irrelevant to whether the world
handled that warmer period fine.
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Long term they were fucked.
That’s bullshit too.

<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
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because it costs to much?
Nope, because its pissing a vast amount of money
against the wall and will achieve nothing if we did.
Even if we scrapped all coal and gas fired power
stations and replaced them with nukes and wind
and solar and banned all aircraft and only used
nuke powered ships and banned all cars and
other vehicles and walked everywhere or rode
bikes everywhere, that would not see any useful;
change in the world climate.
Why not?
Because even with all those GHGs in the atmosphere there
has in fact been sweet fuck all change in the world's climate.
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
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2020-01-25 22:32:04 UTC
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Of course there is. We are throwing our waste out into the environment.
In fact we do a lot less of that than we used to.
Because thinking people know that dumping waste into the environment
(including GHGs) is not a great idea
Must be why the Krauts are shutting down
their nukes and burning lignite coal instead.
Really, Germany is closing down it's coal mines and has 1/3 of its power
from rewables.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Exactly the same
Bullshit it is when there has been no measurable effect
on the world's climate since the industrial revolution.
There has been a measurable effect.
Post by Rod Speed
There has been some measurable effect of the
worst of the volcanos but not with those gases.,
Oh now your saying there has been a measurable effect, make up your mind.
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
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Post by Rod Speed
Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently
is due to man made climate change, we have seen
that before when the vikings choose to move there
and that worked out fine.
you're mixing up natural climate variation with AGW.
Nope, I am saying that whatever the cause of
that climate change, it worked fine in viking
times anyway. The sky didn’t fall, chicken little.
How many Vikings are there today.
Irrelevant to whether the world
handled that warmer period fine.
No Vikings so obviously not ;-)

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2020-01-25 23:00:23 UTC
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Of course there is. We are throwing our waste out into the
environment.
In fact we do a lot less of that than we used to.
Because thinking people know that dumping waste into the environment
(including GHGs) is not a great idea
Must be why the Krauts are shutting down
their nukes and burning lignite coal instead.
Really,
Yep, really.
Post by Dechucka
Germany is closing down it's coal mines
Pigs arse it is now that they are stupidly closing down their nukes.
Post by Dechucka
and has 1/3 of its power from rewables.
And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Exactly the same
Bullshit it is when there has been no measurable effect
on the world's climate since the industrial revolution.
There has been a measurable effect.
Bullshit there has.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
There has been some measurable effect of the
worst of the volcanos but not with those gases.,
Oh now your saying there has been a measurable effect,
FROM THAT NATURAL EFFECT. And the worst of
that was before the industrial revolution, fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
make up your mind.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently
is due to man made climate change, we have seen
that before when the vikings choose to move there
and that worked out fine.
you're mixing up natural climate variation with AGW.
Nope, I am saying that whatever the cause of
that climate change, it worked fine in viking
times anyway. The sky didn’t fall, chicken little.
How many Vikings are there today.
Irrelevant to whether the world
handled that warmer period fine.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 23:16:19 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Of course there is. We are throwing our waste out into the environment.
In fact we do a lot less of that than we used to.
Because thinking people know that dumping waste into the environment
(including GHGs) is not a great idea
Must be why the Krauts are shutting down
their nukes and burning lignite coal instead.
Really,
Yep, really.
Post by Dechucka
Germany is closing down it's coal mines
Pigs arse it is now that they are stupidly closing down their nukes.
They are closing down their coal mines and relying ess on coal
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
and has 1/3 of its power from rewables.
And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far? really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Exactly the same
Bullshit it is when there has been no measurable effect
on the world's climate since the industrial revolution.
There has been a measurable effect.
Bullshit there has.
You said in this thread that there had been
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
There has been some measurable effect of the
worst of the volcanos but not with those gases.,
Oh now your saying there has been a measurable effect,
FROM THAT NATURAL EFFECT. And the worst of
that was before the industrial revolution, fuckwit.
Ok there has been an effect, make up your mind
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:44:15 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Of course there is. We are throwing our waste out into the environment.
In fact we do a lot less of that than we used to.
Because thinking people know that dumping waste into the environment
(including GHGs) is not a great idea
Must be why the Krauts are shutting down
their nukes and burning lignite coal instead.
Really,
Yep, really.
Post by Dechucka
Germany is closing down it's coal mines
Pigs arse it is now that they are stupidly closing down their nukes.
They are closing down their coal mines and relying ess on coal
Pigs arse it is now that they are stupidly closing down their nukes.
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
and has 1/3 of its power from rewables.
And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far?
Yep,
Post by Dechucka
really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Find the for yourself.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Exactly the same
Bullshit it is when there has been no measurable effect
on the world's climate since the industrial revolution.
There has been a measurable effect.
Bullshit there has.
You said in this thread that there had been
Like hell I did SINCE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
There has been some measurable effect of the
worst of the volcanos but not with those gases.,
Oh now your saying there has been a measurable effect,
FROM THAT NATURAL EFFECT. And the worst of
that was before the industrial revolution, fuckwit.
Ok there has been an effect,
NOT SINCE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION, fuckwit.
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2020-01-25 23:49:19 UTC
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And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far?
Yep,
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really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Find the for yourself.
I did and you're wrong, they do not by far the most expensive
electricity in the EU
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Exactly the same
Bullshit it is when there has been no measurable effect
on the world's climate since the industrial revolution.
There has been a measurable effect.
Bullshit there has.
You said in this thread that there had been
Like hell I did SINCE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
There has been some measurable effect of the
worst of the volcanos but not with those gases.,
Oh now your saying there has been a measurable effect,
FROM THAT NATURAL EFFECT. And the worst of
that was before the industrial revolution, fuckwit.
Ok there has been an effect,
NOT SINCE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION, fuckwit.
Really it suddenly stopped did it ;-)?
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And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far?
Yep,
Post by Dechucka
really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Find the for yourself.
I did and you're wrong,
Nope.
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they do not by far the most expensive electricity in the EU
Yes they are.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Hey it is just like littering except on a larger scale.
Nothing like in fact.
Exactly the same
Bullshit it is when there has been no measurable effect
on the world's climate since the industrial revolution.
There has been a measurable effect.
Bullshit there has.
You said in this thread that there had been
Like hell I did SINCE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
There has been some measurable effect of the
worst of the volcanos but not with those gases.,
Oh now your saying there has been a measurable effect,
FROM THAT NATURAL EFFECT. And the worst of
that was before the industrial revolution, fuckwit.
Ok there has been an effect,
NOT SINCE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION, fuckwit.
Really it suddenly stopped did it ;-)?
That level of volcano activity is very rate indeed, fuckwit.
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2020-01-26 00:19:20 UTC
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And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far?
Yep,
Post by Dechucka
really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Find the for yourself.
I did and you're wrong,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
they do not by far the most expensive electricity in the EU
Yes they are.
You really are adverse to facts
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Post by Dechucka
Really it suddenly stopped did it ;-)?
That level of volcano activity is very rate indeed, fuckwit.
So volcanic GHGs have an effect in the atmosphere but human produced
ones don't according to you LOL
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2020-01-26 00:38:12 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far?
Yep,
Post by Dechucka
really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Find the for yourself.
I did and you're wrong,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
they do not by far the most expensive electricity in the EU
Yes they are.
You really are adverse to facts
You wouldn’t know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse.
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Really it suddenly stopped did it ;-)?
That level of volcano activity is very rare indeed, fuckwit.
So volcanic GHGs
Not talking about volcanic GHGs fuckwit.

It’s the massive outpouring of volcanic ash
into the atmosphere that produced 6 volcanic
winters in a row 74K years ago, fuckwit.
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2020-01-26 00:42:52 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far?
Yep,
Post by Dechucka
really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Find the for yourself.
I did and you're wrong,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
they do not by far the most expensive electricity in the EU
Yes they are.
You really are adverse to facts
You wouldn’t know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Really it suddenly stopped did it ;-)?
That level of volcano activity is very rare indeed, fuckwit.
So volcanic GHGs
Not talking about volcanic GHGs fuckwit.
It’s the massive outpouring of volcanic ash
into the atmosphere that produced 6 volcanic
winters in a row 74K years ago, fuckwit.
So totally irrelevant to GHG discussions
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 01:02:36 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far?
Yep,
Post by Dechucka
really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Find the for yourself.
I did and you're wrong,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
they do not by far the most expensive electricity in the EU
Yes they are.
You really are adverse to facts
You wouldn’t know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Really it suddenly stopped did it ;-)?
That level of volcano activity is very rare indeed, fuckwit.
So volcanic GHGs
Not talking about volcanic GHGs fuckwit.
It’s the massive outpouring of volcanic ash
into the atmosphere that produced 6 volcanic
winters in a row 74K years ago, fuckwit.
So totally irrelevant to GHG discussions
But completely relevant to whether some
non man made climate change is measurable.

That’s true in spades of the climate change
that produced the change in sea levels of
hundreds feet. Even a terminal fuckwit such
as yourself would notice that,
Dechucka
2020-01-26 01:20:31 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And has by far the most expensive electricity
in the EU because they are that stupid.
by far?
Yep,
Post by Dechucka
really you'll have the figures to post won't you.
Find the for yourself.
I did and you're wrong,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
they do not by far the most expensive electricity in the EU
Yes they are.
You really are adverse to facts
You wouldn’t know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Really it suddenly stopped did it ;-)?
That level of volcano activity is very rare indeed, fuckwit.
So volcanic GHGs
Not talking about volcanic GHGs fuckwit.
It’s the massive outpouring of volcanic ash
into the atmosphere that produced 6 volcanic
winters in a row 74K years ago, fuckwit.
So totally irrelevant to GHG discussions
But completely relevant to whether some
non man made climate change is measurable.
Nobody claimed it wasn't measurable.
Post by Rod Speed
That’s true in spades of the climate change
that produced the change in sea levels of
hundreds feet. Even a terminal fuckwit such
as yourself would notice that,
You're getting confused with normal climate variation and AGW, AGAIN
Petzl
2020-01-26 01:41:20 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Not talking about volcanic GHGs fuckwit.
It’s the massive outpouring of volcanic ash
into the atmosphere that produced 6 volcanic
winters in a row 74K years ago, fuckwit.
So totally irrelevant to GHG discussions
“Coronavirus is caused by climate change.”
--
Petzl
Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
to avoid child support.
But five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?

Looks like Obams and Biden will go to jail
https://globalnewsok.com/barack-obama-and-joe-biden-linked-to-missing-5-3-billion-during-obama-administration-2/
https://is.gd/qLQp5M
BARACK OBAMA And JOE BIDEN Linked To MISSING $5.3 BILLION
During Obama Administration
Dechucka
2020-01-26 01:46:55 UTC
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“Coronavirus is caused by climate change.”
No it isn't, boy you are one dumb fucker

news18
2020-01-25 23:06:53 UTC
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Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently is due to man
made climate change, we have seen that before when the vikings
choose to move there and that worked out fine.
you're mixing up natural climate variation with AGW.
Nope, I am saying that whatever the cause of that climate change, it
worked fine in viking times anyway. The sky didn’t fall, chicken
little.
How many Vikings are there today.
Irrelevant to whether the world handled that warmer period fine.
No Vikings so obviously not ;-)
And that little bit of "warming' wasn't global and the vikings didn't
last that long.
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Ned Latham
2020-01-25 23:23:27 UTC
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How many Vikings are there today.
Irrelevant to whether the world handled that warmer period fine.
No Vikings so obviously not ;-)
And that little bit of "warming' wasn't global
Who told you *that* bullshit? And how did they "justify" it?
Post by news18
and the vikings didn't last that long.
They moved out when the climate changed again.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:36:18 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Even if say the result Greenland is getting currently is due to man
made climate change, we have seen that before when the vikings
choose to move there and that worked out fine.
you're mixing up natural climate variation with AGW.
Nope, I am saying that whatever the cause of that climate change, it
worked fine in viking times anyway. The sky didn’t fall, chicken
little.
How many Vikings are there today.
Irrelevant to whether the world handled that warmer period fine.
No Vikings so obviously not ;-)
And that little bit of "warming' wasn't global
Wrong, as always.
Post by news18
and the vikings didn't last that long.
Wrong, as always.
news18
2020-01-25 22:57:25 UTC
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As the world goes to shit in a hand-bag RS as he he keels over from old
age in the next year or 2 will still be croaking "It's OK the economy is
strong"
lol, that canberra hail storm is really going to strengthen the economy.
Massive spending to employ people to assess, then repair, then our
insurance premiums everywhere will go up. Hey, it is all money flow and
increasing it makes the econoy stronger.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:27:33 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
As the world goes to shit in a hand-bag RS as he he keels over from old
age in the next year or 2 will still be croaking "It's OK the economy is
strong"
lol, that canberra hail storm is really going to strengthen the
economy. Massive spending to employ people to assess, then
repair, then our insurance premiums everywhere will go up.
Mine wont.
Post by news18
Hey, it is all money flow and increasing it makes the econoy stronger.
It does indeed.
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 23:43:19 UTC
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Post by news18
lol, that canberra hail storm is really going to strengthen the economy.
Massive spending to employ people to assess, then repair, then our
insurance premiums everywhere will go up. Hey, it is all money flow and
increasing it makes the econoy stronger.
You think you're being ironic?

Talk to a few hard line "economists" (especially those in Parliament).
news18
2020-01-25 06:47:15 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Building codes in bush-fire designated areas hve been tightened
severely, so much so that current insurance levels will not cover
rebuilding. In general people realize that their lovely bush-land or
farm property comes with a cost. Unfortunately the danger of bush-fire
is increasing in many areas due to AGW.
I'll bet that it will not make the land any cheaper.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 04:38:20 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on
fire by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the
dead tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet
it is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it
would be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney.
Lots of other fires however
True, although it is not concrete that fuels those fires.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Concrete tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.
I can see people heading off with the kids to a concrete-change
Well, at the moment that might be safer there than right in the middle of
the bush.
I wonder on the long term how will Australia adapt to the changing
climate.
Just carry on regardless. Nothing we can do will make
any difference to the incidence of drought or the worst
bushfire risk days. It isnt even feasible to cut down all
the native forests so they don’t burn like they do now.
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning
and building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
Wouldn’t have helped with the houses lost in Canberra in 2005
Post by Ördög
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it was
before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around the
corner.
But it isnt feasible to rebuild them all so they are bushfire proof.

And isnt feasible to proclaim that no one can ever
rebuild a house which is lost to a bushfire eitheer.
Canberra proves that.

Its sort of marginall feasible to proclaim that none
of the very small towns burnt out by bushfire can
be rebuilt but that doesn’t do a damned thing about
rural houses not in towns and villages and its juist not
viable to proclaim that they have to live in big towns now.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 04:39:55 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
/snip/
Post by Petzl
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on
fire by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the
dead tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet
it is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it
would be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
Amazingly there isn't any bush fires either in downtown Sydney.
Lots of other fires however
True, although it is not concrete that fuels those fires.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Ördög
Concrete tend not to burn easily even under ember attack.
I can see people heading off with the kids to a concrete-change
Well, at the moment that might be safer there than right in the middle of
the bush.
I wonder on the long term how will Australia adapt to the changing
climate.
Just carry on regardless. Nothing we can do will make
any difference to the incidence of drought or the worst
bushfire risk days. It isnt even feasible to cut down all
the native forests so they don’t burn like they do now.
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning
and building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
Wouldn’t have helped with the houses lost in Canberra in 2005
Post by Ördög
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it was
before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around the
corner.
But it isnt feasible to rebuild them all so they are bushfire proof.
And isnt feasible to proclaim that no one can ever
rebuild a house which is lost to a bushfire eitheer.
Canberra proves that.
Its sort of marginall feasible to proclaim that none
of the very small towns burnt out by bushfire can be rebuilt but that
doesn’t do a damned thing about rural houses not in towns and villages and
its juist not viable to proclaim that they have to live in big towns now.
And that clearly didn’t work with Canberra anyway.
news18
2020-01-25 06:46:01 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building unless you
want to live in a hermetically sealed concrete box with overn glass and
air storage.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 08:10:58 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.

Even oxygen in cylinders for oxygen masks.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 10:42:12 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Post by Rod Speed
Even oxygen in cylinders for oxygen masks.
news18
2020-01-25 11:12:20 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting
around the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed concrete box with
overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters for the windows and
sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Post by Rod Speed
Even oxygen in cylinders for oxygen masks.
Only an idiot uses oxygen. you'll just below yourself up if an ember gets
in.
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 11:34:02 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Even oxygen in cylinders for oxygen masks.
Only an idiot uses oxygen. you'll just blow yourself up if an ember
gets in.
Not a chance. Oxygen doesn't burn.

Yair, I know, that sounds off the planet, but it's a fact.
Oxygen is necessary for other things to burn (like trees and
grass and stuff), but doesn't itself burn. If you throw a
burning ember into a vessel of pure oxygen, it will burn more
quickly than it would in air, and once it's burnt, the fire
goes out. The remaining oxygen has no effect, regardless of
temperature, and is itself unaffected.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 15:36:30 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting
around the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed concrete box with
overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters for the windows and
sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Post by Rod Speed
Even oxygen in cylinders for oxygen masks.
Only an idiot uses oxygen. you'll just below yourself up if an ember gets
in.
Not when its used like in hospitals with masks.

They never blew anything up when they were allowed to smoke,

Same with heavy aircraft when they were allowed to smoke too.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 20:34:10 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting
around the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed concrete box with
overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters for the windows and
sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Post by Rod Speed
Even oxygen in cylinders for oxygen masks.
Only an idiot uses oxygen. you'll just below yourself up if an ember gets
in.
Not when its used like in hospitals with masks.
They never blew anything up when they were allowed to smoke,
Same with heavy aircraft when they were allowed to smoke too.
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 21:48:08 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting
around the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed concrete box with
overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters for the windows and
sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Post by Rod Speed
Even oxygen in cylinders for oxygen masks.
Only an idiot uses oxygen. you'll just below yourself up if an ember gets
in.
Not when its used like in hospitals with masks.
They never blew anything up when they were allowed to smoke,
Same with heavy aircraft when they were allowed to smoke too.
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.

The entire plane didn’t burst into flames when that happened.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 21:57:50 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start the
flow. Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
Post by Rod Speed
The entire plane didn’t burst into flames when that happened.
In a O2 rich environment your ciggie would burn quicker not explode.
Your understanding of basic science is sadly lacking
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 22:36:22 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start the
flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.

And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have
some oxygen cylinders and masks to cover the very
unlikely situation where the bushfire outside sees all
the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling
you to put your fags out before using the oxygen.

In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with
a house bunker that those in the bunker will use up
all the oxygen in the bunker and so need to get more
from outside the bunker,
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
The entire plane didn’t burst into flames when that happened.
In a O2 rich environment your ciggie would burn quicker not explode.
Tell the fool that ran that stupid line originally.
Post by Dechucka
Your understanding of basic science is sadly lacking
Its his not mine, fuckwit.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 22:50:36 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start
the flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Why would it?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.
Your memory failing you
Post by Rod Speed
And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have
some oxygen cylinders and masks to cover the very
unlikely situation where the bushfire outside sees all
the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling
you to put your fags out before using the oxygen.
In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with
a house bunker that those in the bunker will use up
all the oxygen in the bunker and so need to get more
from outside the bunker,
The problem in a sealed bunker is not O2 levels but Co2 levels. I'd give
you the facts and science of this but you are adverse to both. Leaving
early is always the best option in a severe/catastrophic bush-fire
news18
2020-01-25 23:12:04 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation in the days when
you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start
the flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Why would it?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.
Your memory failing you
Post by Rod Speed
And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have some oxygen
cylinders and masks to cover the very unlikely situation where the
bushfire outside sees all the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the
fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling you to put your
fags out before using the oxygen.
In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with a house bunker that
those in the bunker will use up all the oxygen in the bunker and so
need to get more from outside the bunker,
You'd better not build your bunker in a valley. in my youth there was a
mob of horse that died in a valley during a bushfire. they and the
immediate area were nt touched by the fires, but they worked out that the
surrounding bushfire removd so much oxygen from the air, that they
suffocated. Hint, the human body evolved to exist in a fairly tight range
of oxygen and abscence/low concentration of other gases
Post by Dechucka
The problem in a sealed bunker is not O2 levels but Co2 levels. I'd give
you the facts and science of this but you are adverse to both. Leaving
early is always the best option in a severe/catastrophic bush-fire
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:41:13 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation in the days when
you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start
the flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Why would it?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.
Your memory failing you
Post by Rod Speed
And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have some oxygen
cylinders and masks to cover the very unlikely situation where the
bushfire outside sees all the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the
fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling you to put your
fags out before using the oxygen.
In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with a house bunker that
those in the bunker will use up all the oxygen in the bunker and so
need to get more from outside the bunker,
You'd better not build your bunker in a valley.
No reason not to.
Post by news18
in my youth there was a mob of horse that
died in a valley during a bushfire. they and
the immediate area were nt touched by the
fires, but they worked out that the surrounding
bushfire removd so much oxygen from the
air, that they suffocated.
Not going to happen with a house bunker that
is shuttered up to prevent any embers getting in.

And trivially avoidable with oxygen cylinders and masks anyway.
Post by news18
Hint, the human body evolved to exist in a fairly tight range
of oxygen and abscence/low concentration of other gases
And that wont change in the time that it takes for the bushfire
to pass over your bunker house with you and yours inside.
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 23:52:17 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
You'd better not build your bunker in a valley.
No reason not to.
In fact there's a very good reason to prefer a valley location
if you can furnish yourself with an oxygen supply.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
in my youth there was a mob of horse that
died in a valley during a bushfire. they and
the immediate area were nt touched by the
fires, but they worked out that the surrounding
bushfire removd so much oxygen from the
air, that they suffocated.
Not going to happen with a house bunker that
is shuttered up to prevent any embers getting in.
And trivially avoidable with oxygen cylinders and masks anyway.
And fire slows when it has to go downhill. Even a fireSTORM.
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:11:25 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
----snip----
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
You'd better not build your bunker in a valley.
No reason not to.
In fact there's a very good reason to prefer a valley location
if you can furnish yourself with an oxygen supply.
Don’t even need to do that. No bushfire lasts long
enough with a house bunker to see the oxygen
inside the house bunker drop to a low enough
level to suffocate those in it.
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
in my youth there was a mob of horse that
died in a valley during a bushfire. they and
the immediate area were nt touched by the
fires, but they worked out that the surrounding
bushfire removd so much oxygen from the
air, that they suffocated.
Not going to happen with a house bunker that
is shuttered up to prevent any embers getting in.
And trivially avoidable with oxygen cylinders and masks anyway.
And fire slows when it has to go downhill. Even a fireSTORM.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:23:26 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start the
flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Why would it?
Ask the fool that claimed that it would.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.
Your memory failing you
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have
some oxygen cylinders and masks to cover the very
unlikely situation where the bushfire outside sees all
the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling
you to put your fags out before using the oxygen.
In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with
a house bunker that those in the bunker will use up
all the oxygen in the bunker and so need to get more
from outside the bunker,
The problem in a sealed bunker is not O2 levels but Co2 levels.
No bushfire burns over a house bunker to see any effect like that.

And it doesn’t have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
Post by Dechucka
I'd give you the facts and science of this
Bullshit you have,
Post by Dechucka
Leaving early is always the best option in a severe/catastrophic bush-fire
Irrelevant to whether that sort if bunker house works.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 23:38:06 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start
the flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Why would it?
Ask the fool that claimed that it would.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.
Your memory failing you
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have
some oxygen cylinders and masks to cover the very
unlikely situation where the bushfire outside sees all
the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling
you to put your fags out before using the oxygen.
In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with
a house bunker that those in the bunker will use up
all the oxygen in the bunker and so need to get more
from outside the bunker,
The problem in a sealed bunker is not O2 levels but Co2 levels.
No bushfire burns over a house bunker to see any effect like that.
It is you producing the CO2 in the bunker that is the problem.
Post by Rod Speed
And it doesn’t have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
There goes your O2 as the intense fire goes over
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I'd give you the facts and science of this but you are adverse to both
Bullshit you have,
Can't you comprehend English
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Leaving early is always the best option in a severe/catastrophic bush-fire
Irrelevant to whether that sort if bunker house works.
Given your design ideas you'd die
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:04:25 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start
the flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Why would it?
Ask the fool that claimed that it would.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.
Your memory failing you
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have
some oxygen cylinders and masks to cover the very
unlikely situation where the bushfire outside sees all
the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling
you to put your fags out before using the oxygen.
In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with
a house bunker that those in the bunker will use up
all the oxygen in the bunker and so need to get more
from outside the bunker,
The problem in a sealed bunker is not O2 levels but Co2 levels.
No bushfire burns for long enough over a house bunker to see any effect
like that.
It is you producing the CO2 in the bunker that is the problem.
Not when the bushfire doesn’t burn over the house bunker for
long enough to produce enough CO2 in the bunker to matter.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And it doesn’t have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
There goes your O2 as the intense fire goes over
Nope. It doesn’t get sucked out of the house bunker.

And trivial to have oxygen cylinders and masks
if you are stupid enough to decide that it might.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I'd give you the facts and science of this
Bullshit you have,
Can't you comprehend English
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Leaving early is always the best option in a severe/catastrophic bush-fire
Irrelevant to whether that sort if bunker house works.
Given your design ideas you'd die>
The CSIRO has proven that you don’t.
Dechucka
2020-01-26 00:21:36 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to
start the flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Why would it?
Ask the fool that claimed that it would.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.
Your memory failing you
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have
some oxygen cylinders and masks to cover the very
unlikely situation where the bushfire outside sees all
the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling
you to put your fags out before using the oxygen.
In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with
a house bunker that those in the bunker will use up
all the oxygen in the bunker and so need to get more
from outside the bunker,
The problem in a sealed bunker is not O2 levels but Co2 levels.
No bushfire burns for long enough over a house bunker to see any
effect like that.
It is you producing the CO2 in the bunker that is the problem.
Not when the bushfire doesn’t burn over the house bunker for
long enough to produce enough CO2 in the bunker to matter.
Pray for a quick fire as you asphyxiate
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And it doesn’t have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
There goes your O2 as the intense fire goes over
Nope. It doesn’t get sucked out of the house bunker.
Why not? Magic?
Post by Rod Speed
And trivial to have oxygen cylinders and masks
if you are stupid enough to decide that it might.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I'd give you the facts and science of this
Bullshit you have,
Can't you comprehend English
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Leaving early is always the best option in a severe/catastrophic bush-fire
Irrelevant to whether that sort if bunker house works.
Given your design ideas you'd die>
The CSIRO has proven that you don’t.
They have not
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:41:19 UTC
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When was smoking and the use of O2 allowed at the same time in aircraft?
When the masks drop due to a sudden depressurisation
in the days when you were still allowed to smoke on aircraft.
When the masks drop they don't piss out O2 you have to pull to start
the flow.
And the plane doesn’t burst into flames when you do.
Why would it?
Ask the fool that claimed that it would.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Before that you were told to extinguish your cigarettes.
That’s bullshit too.
Your memory failing you
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And in a bushfire situation where you choose to have
some oxygen cylinders and masks to cover the very
unlikely situation where the bushfire outside sees all
the oxygen in your bunker consumed by the fire,
there is no reason why you can't have a sign telling
you to put your fags out before using the oxygen.
In reality no brushfire burns for long enough with
a house bunker that those in the bunker will use up
all the oxygen in the bunker and so need to get more
from outside the bunker,
The problem in a sealed bunker is not O2 levels but Co2 levels.
No bushfire burns for long enough over a house bunker to see any effect
like that.
It is you producing the CO2 in the bunker that is the problem.
Not when the bushfire doesn’t burn over the house bunker for
long enough to produce enough CO2 in the bunker to matter.
Pray for a quick fire as you asphyxiate
Don’t need one. No bushfire lasts long enough
for the occupants of the bunker house to use
up all the oxygen in the bunker house, fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And it doesn’t have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
There goes your O2 as the intense fire goes over
Nope. It doesn’t get sucked out of the house bunker.
Why not?
No sucking involved, fuckwit,
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And trivial to have oxygen cylinders and masks
if you are stupid enough to decide that it might.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I'd give you the facts and science of this
Bullshit you have,
Can't you comprehend English
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Leaving early is always the best option in a severe/catastrophic bush-fire
Irrelevant to whether that sort if bunker house works.
Given your design ideas you'd die>
The CSIRO has proven that you don’t.
They have not
They have,
Dechucka
2020-01-26 00:45:16 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
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Not when the bushfire doesn’t burn over the house bunker for
long enough to produce enough CO2 in the bunker to matter.
Pray for a quick fire as you asphyxiate
Don’t need one. No bushfire lasts long enough
for the occupants of the bunker house to use
up all the oxygen in the bunker house, fuckwit.
Totally dependent on the number of people and the size of the bunker. As
I keep telling you O2 is not the problem it is the build up of CO2
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And it doesn’t have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
There goes your O2 as the intense fire goes over
Nope. It doesn’t get sucked out of the house bunker.
Why not?
No sucking involved, fuckwit,
OK O2 Depletion
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 01:07:23 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Not when the bushfire doesn’t burn over the house bunker for
long enough to produce enough CO2 in the bunker to matter.
Pray for a quick fire as you asphyxiate
Don’t need one. No bushfire lasts long enough
for the occupants of the bunker house to use
up all the oxygen in the bunker house, fuckwit.
Totally dependent on the number of people and the size of the bunker.
In reality it will never happen. It never did with
WW2 bomb shelters and they were in their with
a hell of a lot more people than anyone ever has
in a house bunker in a bushfire in this country,
Post by Dechucka
As I keep telling you O2 is not the problem it is the build up of CO2
That didn’t happen in the WW2 bomb shelters either.

Or in disabled submarines either.

Its just more pig ignorant shit from you.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And it doesn’t have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
There goes your O2 as the intense fire goes over
Nope. It doesn’t get sucked out of the house bunker.
Why not?
No sucking involved, fuckwit,
OK O2 Depletion
Doesn’t happen with house bunkers that
are designed to keep burning embers out.
Dechucka
2020-01-26 01:24:24 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Not when the bushfire doesn’t burn over the house bunker for
long enough to produce enough CO2 in the bunker to matter.
Pray for a quick fire as you asphyxiate
Don’t need one. No bushfire lasts long enough
for the occupants of the bunker house to use
up all the oxygen in the bunker house, fuckwit.
Totally dependent on the number of people and the size of the bunker.
In reality it will never happen. It never did with
WW2 bomb shelters and they were in their with
a hell of a lot more people than anyone ever has
in a house bunker in a bushfire in this country,
It certainly did, people died of asphyxiation in bomb shelters
particularly during the 1000 bomber fire raids as the fires depleted the
oxygen. Try again.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
As I keep telling you O2 is not the problem it is the build up of CO2
That didn’t happen in the WW2 bomb shelters either.
they weren't sealed
Post by Rod Speed
Or in disabled submarines either.
yes it does which is why they use CO2 scrubbers even though there is
still O2 in the atmosphere
Post by Rod Speed
Its just more pig ignorant shit from you.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And it doesn’t have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
There goes your O2 as the intense fire goes over
Nope. It doesn’t get sucked out of the house bunker.
Why not?
No sucking involved, fuckwit,
OK O2 Depletion
Doesn’t happen with house bunkers that
are designed to keep burning embers out.
What have embers got to do with whether a bunker is airtight or not?
Ned Latham
2020-01-26 00:46:16 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
And it doesn't have to be sealed airtight anyway,.
There goes your O2 as the intense fire goes over
Nope. It doesn?t get sucked out of the house bunker.
Why not? Magic?
Physics, shitferbrains. Fire creates a wind towards itself,
but it doesn't make that wind start in your bunker.

----snip----
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 15:14:54 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Anything any bushfire can produce.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 19:42:49 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Anything any bushfire can produce.
RatShit
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 21:10:10 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Anything any bushfire can produce.
RatShit
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 21:15:41 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Anything any bushfire can produce.
RatShit
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you mean
shutters with intumescent seals) for the windows and sprinklers work
fine to stop 'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 21:57:15 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Anything any bushfire can produce.
RatShit
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you mean
shutters with intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption. And you will have to go and find
it for yourself. There was a mention of it in the ABC
Just In news feed in the last week or two,, by the fella
that did it, pointing out that they work fine but have
a major downside that someone need to be there to
ensure that they are all closed before the bushfire
shows up otherwise that loophole can see the house
burn when embers get in thru the one not shut.

But that Just In only shows the last 250 and it’s a pain
to find the original when its aged off so I wont be
bothering to do that because you never have the
balls to admit to your stupidity when your nose is
rubbed in one.

There was another even earlier where someone
who just had a pump driven sprinkler system did
fine when the bushfire would have otherwise
destroyed his place too. I wont be finding that either.,
Post by Dechucka
for the windows and sprinklers work fine to stop 'Anything any bushfire
can produce'.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 22:03:33 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Anything any bushfire can produce.
RatShit
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you mean
shutters with  intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption.
OK what the f... is a intumescent shutter? What swells?
Post by Rod Speed
And you will have to go and find
it for yourself. There was a mention of it in the ABC
Just In news feed in the last week or two,, by the fella
that did it, pointing out that they work fine but have
a major downside that someone need to be there to
ensure that they are all closed before the bushfire
shows up otherwise that loophole can see the house
burn when embers get in thru the one not shut.
But that Just In only shows the last 250 and it’s a pain
to find the original when its aged off so I wont be
bothering to do that because you never have the
balls to admit to your stupidity when your nose is
rubbed in one.
You are getting incoherent in your rantings
Post by Rod Speed
There was another even earlier where someone
who just had a pump driven sprinkler system did
fine when the bushfire would have otherwise
destroyed his place too. I wont be finding that either.,
Post by Dechucka
for the windows and sprinklers work fine to stop 'Anything any
bushfire can produce'.
So the CSIRO have not said intumescent shutters and sprinklers would
stop 'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 22:47:24 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as it
was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting around
the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed
concrete box with overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters
for the windows and sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Anything any bushfire can produce.
RatShit
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you mean
shutters with intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption.
OK what the f... is a intumescent shutter? What swells?
The outer layer.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And you will have to go and find
it for yourself. There was a mention of it in the ABC
Just In news feed in the last week or two,, by the fella
that did it, pointing out that they work fine but have
a major downside that someone need to be there to
ensure that they are all closed before the bushfire
shows up otherwise that loophole can see the house
burn when embers get in thru the one not shut.
But that Just In only shows the last 250 and it’s a pain
to find the original when its aged off so I wont be
bothering to do that because you never have the
balls to admit to your stupidity when your nose is
rubbed in one.
<reams of your ad hom shit you always end
up with when you have got done like a fucking
dinner, as you always are, flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
There was another even earlier where someone
who just had a pump driven sprinkler system did
fine when the bushfire would have otherwise
destroyed his place too. I wont be finding that either.,
Post by Dechucka
for the windows and sprinklers work fine to stop 'Anything any bushfire
can produce'.
So the CSIRO have not said intumescent shutters and sprinklers would stop
'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
They have in fact said just that. And they did that to the
major enquiry that happened after the ash wednesday fires.

You are free to find that for yourself too.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 22:54:05 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you
mean shutters with  intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption.
OK what the f... is a intumescent shutter? What swells?
The outer layer.
Yep the paint layer not the actual shutter

snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
So the CSIRO have not said intumescent shutters and sprinklers would
stop 'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
They have in fact said just that. And they did that to the
major enquiry that happened after the ash wednesday fires.
Actually they did not say it would protect against 'Anything any
bushfire can produce'.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:25:19 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you mean
shutters with intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption.
OK what the f... is a intumescent shutter? What swells?
The outer layer.
Yep the paint layer not the actual shutter
Its not paint. That’s just whats on it to make it look better.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
So the CSIRO have not said intumescent shutters and sprinklers would
stop 'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
They have in fact said just that. And they did that to the
major enquiry that happened after the ash wednesday fires.
Actually they did not say it would protect against 'Anything any
bushfire can produce'.
Wrong, as always.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 23:40:09 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you
mean shutters with  intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption.
OK what the f... is a intumescent shutter? What swells?
The outer layer.
Yep the paint layer not the actual shutter
Its not paint. That’s just whats on it to make it look better.
Your ignorance is showing, the paint and seals expand tp make the
shutters airtight
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
So the CSIRO have not said intumescent shutters and sprinklers would
stop 'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
They have in fact said just that. And they did that to the
major enquiry that happened after the ash wednesday fires.
Actually they did not say it would protect against 'Anything any
bushfire can produce'.
Wrong, as always.
You obviously haven't read what the CSIRO said.
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:06:09 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you
mean shutters with intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption.
OK what the f... is a intumescent shutter? What swells?
The outer layer.
Yep the paint layer not the actual shutter
Its not paint. That’s just whats on it to make it look better.
Your ignorance is showing,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
the paint and seals expand tp make the shutters airtight
It isnt paint with the shutters themselves and it
doesn’t make the shutter itself airtight either,
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
So the CSIRO have not said intumescent shutters and sprinklers would
stop 'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
They have in fact said just that. And they did that to the
major enquiry that happened after the ash wednesday fires.
Actually they did not say it would protect against 'Anything any
bushfire can produce'.
Wrong, as always.
You obviously haven't read what the CSIRO said.
Corse I did.
Dechucka
2020-01-26 00:22:24 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume
you mean shutters with  intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption.
OK what the f... is a intumescent shutter? What swells?
The outer layer.
Yep the paint layer not the actual shutter
Its not paint. That’s just whats on it to make it look better.
Your ignorance is showing,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
the paint and seals expand tp make the shutters airtight
It isnt paint with the shutters themselves and it
doesn’t make the shutter itself airtight either,
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
So the CSIRO have not said intumescent shutters and sprinklers
would stop 'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
They have in fact said just that. And they did that to the
major enquiry that happened after the ash wednesday fires.
Actually they did not say it would protect against 'Anything any
bushfire can produce'.
Wrong, as always.
You obviously haven't read what the CSIRO said.
Corse I did.
If you did you can't comprehend
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:42:13 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Fact, and its been extensively researched by the
CSIRO etc after the worst of the previous bushfires.
So lets see this research that intumescent shutters (I assume you
mean shutters with intumescent seals)
Stupid assumption.
OK what the f... is a intumescent shutter? What swells?
The outer layer.
Yep the paint layer not the actual shutter
Its not paint. That’s just whats on it to make it look better.
Your ignorance is showing,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
the paint and seals expand tp make the shutters airtight
It isnt paint with the shutters themselves and it
doesn’t make the shutter itself airtight either,
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
So the CSIRO have not said intumescent shutters and sprinklers would
stop 'Anything any bushfire can produce'.
They have in fact said just that. And they did that to the
major enquiry that happened after the ash wednesday fires.
Actually they did not say it would protect against 'Anything any
bushfire can produce'.
Wrong, as always.
You obviously haven't read what the CSIRO said.
Corse I did.
If you did you can't comprehend
You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 23:31:16 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And you will have to go and find
it for yourself. There was a mention of it in the ABC
Just In news feed in the last week or two,, by the fella
that did it, pointing out that they work fine but have
a major downside that someone need to be there to
ensure that they are all closed before the bushfire
shows up otherwise that loophole can see the house
burn when embers get in thru the one not shut.
But that Just In only shows the last 250 and it???s a pain
to find the original when its aged off so I wont be
bothering to do that because you never have the
balls to admit to your stupidity when your nose is
rubbed in one.
You are getting incoherent in your rantings
You been learning "debate" from Piggy, have yer, Dopey?

Can't answer the facts in the message, so abuse the messenger.
news18
2020-01-25 22:43:12 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by Ördög
Amongst other things on the to do list an improved land zoning and
building code (properly enforced) would be a real action item.
If people just rebuilt what has been burn down exactly the same as
it was before, the next unavoidable disaster would be just waiting
around the corner.
Nice idea, but it is impossible to build flameproof building
No its not.
Post by news18
unless you want to live in a hermetically sealed concrete box with
overn glass and air storage.
That’s bullshit too. Intumescent shutters for the windows and
sprinklers work fine.
Do they, what conditions are they rated to?
Anything any bushfire can produce.
RatShit
Rodbot, like a whole pile of other people has just failed to comprehend
that this time is very different. When the fire peopls are all saying
controlled burnings all fine, but this time the fire just burned through
all the areas that had controlled burns and kept on going.

Sprinklers only work if you have a massive water tank and a big diesel
pump drinving into a system of sprinklers that would make your house look
like a echidna. FFS get a metal or concrete tank.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 02:53:21 UTC
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Post by Petzl
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 01:12:35 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Petz
Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Petz
snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm home
on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km. Anyhow you are on record demanding 1 km radius
clearings, so your point is what?
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire by
an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead tinder
dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
heaps of fires both in Bondi and Campbelltown, houses have been burnt
down. Get with the programme.
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 03:12:53 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
heaps of fires both in Bondi and Campbelltown, houses have been burnt
down. Get with the programme.
You're a lying maggot, Dopey.
news18
2020-01-25 06:43:48 UTC
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Post by Petzl
No fires in Bondi Beach to Campbelltown, no eucalyptus bush near them
anywhere
What bullshit, Been plenty of fires between bondi beach and Campbelltown.
there is also acres of eucalyptus bush and trees as well.
Fran
2020-01-25 03:36:00 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
When the 2003 fires burned 500 houses in Canberra, there were burned
leaves on the beaches down the coast. I dunno how far that distance
would be as the crow flies but it'd have to be at least 70 kms, probably
more.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 04:57:35 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Ördög
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash. Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
When the 2003 fires burned 500 houses in Canberra, there were burned
leaves on the beaches down the coast. I dunno how far that distance would
be as the crow flies but it'd have to be at least 70 kms, probably more.
125
news18
2020-01-25 06:41:42 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Petz
Dechucka
Petz snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit I said 2 km between the bush and a town Farm home
on property needs at least 1 km
So which it is, 1 or 2 Km. Anyhow you are on record demanding 1 km
radius clearings, so your point is what?
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
It might under this year's ultra dry conditions once it is set on fire
by an intensive ember attack igniting the fallen leaves and the dead
tinder dry grass around it alight.
Hey, my garden is 10ths of kilometres away from the nearest fire yet it
is still full of cooked gum leavers and ash.
We've had the cooked leaves and ash,yet we are probably triple the
distance away. Well, we still have the ash as it has ivaded inside and
I've still piles of surfaces to wipe down. Pretzel probaly doesn't do
dusting to notice.
Post by Ördög
Just imagine what it would
be like if the firestorm was 2km away let alone 1 km.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 02:51:04 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Petzl
Plant it in a local park, check with council.
Increasing the bush-fire danger, remember at least 1 km between a tree
and a house according to you
Again spin and deceit
I said 2 km between the bush and a town
Farm home on property needs at least 1 km
So why do you hate farmers? Shouldn't they be as safe as town people
Post by Petzl
The plum tree in backyard is not going to burn you down
Isn't it pez. What about the ember attack or radiant heat?
Fran
2020-01-24 23:44:00 UTC
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Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
Petzl
2020-01-25 00:22:02 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
--
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Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
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Ördög
2020-01-25 01:01:07 UTC
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Petz
Post by Petzl
Fran
FMurtz
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Nope, you're gravely mistaken. In this instance these vandals must have
been Islamist & Stalinist space
aliens. And now they are out to get you too!

Next!

--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, B.J. Foster Lion's farts, Mad Ned Latham,
the Little Jonzie Howard troll in his current reincarnation, that
septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb and randomly blown-in
Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
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Fran
2020-01-25 03:38:50 UTC
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Post by Ördög
Petz
Post by Petzl
Fran
FMurtz
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
You're a liar as well as a moron.
Post by Ördög
Nope, you're gravely mistaken. In this instance these vandals must have
been Islamist & Stalinist space
aliens. And now they are out to get you too!
Next!
Dechucka
2020-01-25 02:48:19 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Aren't the Greens the ones really pointing out what is happening to my
planet because people keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere?
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 04:30:01 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Aren't the Greens the ones really pointing out what is happening to my
planet because people keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere?
They are in fact lying about that. Pity about a similar bushfire in Victoria
in 1850
Dechucka
2020-01-25 05:05:12 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up.  That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places.  I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Aren't the Greens the ones really pointing out what is happening to my
planet because people keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere?
They are in fact lying about that.
Lying about what?
Post by Rod Speed
Pity about a similar bushfire in
Victoria in 1850
Similar to the NSW fires in what way? Maybe in area burnt but we are
fighting the fires with tankers, aircraft heavy machinery unlike in 1850
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 05:52:14 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Aren't the Greens the ones really pointing out what is happening to my
planet because people keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere?
They are in fact lying about that.
Lying about what?
That pumping GHGs into the atmosphere has anything
to do with what is happening to the planet.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Pity about a similar bushfire in Victoria in 1850
Similar to the NSW fires
Nope, similar to the Victorian bushfires.
Post by Dechucka
in what way?
Area burnt out, stock killed, people killed, houses burnt out.
Post by Dechucka
Maybe in area burnt
No maybe about it.
Post by Dechucka
but we are fighting the fires with tankers, aircraft heavy machinery
unlike in 1850
Those are irrelevant in the worst bushfire days with
temps over 45C and winds over 50kmph, Once the
fire has crowned, all you can do is see how far it
gets before the wind and temperature changes.

The result seen in 1850 proves that
it has nothing to do with GHGs
Dechucka
2020-01-25 10:47:40 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up.  That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places.  I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Aren't the Greens the ones really pointing out what is happening to
my planet because people keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere?
They are in fact lying about that.
Lying about what?
That pumping GHGs into the atmosphere has anything
to do with what is happening to the planet.
Sorry the science of GHG propertiess goes back to the 1820s.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Pity about a similar bushfire in Victoria in 1850
Similar to the NSW fires
Nope, similar to the Victorian bushfires.
Post by Dechucka
in what way?
Area burnt out, stock killed, people killed, houses burnt out.
wrong
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Maybe in area burnt
No maybe about it.
Post by Dechucka
but we are fighting the fires with tankers, aircraft heavy machinery
unlike in 1850
Those are irrelevant in the worst bushfire days with
temps over 45C and winds over 50kmph, Once the
fire has crowned, all you can do is see how far it
gets before the wind and temperature changes.
Wrong again, that is where the use of aircraft esp the LATs and VLATs
come into play as they can put in long retardant lines allowing tankers
to go into property protection against ember attack and the lesser
radiant heat attack.
Post by Rod Speed
The result seen in 1850 proves that
it has nothing to do with GHGs
That proves nothing except that you are scientifically ignorant. Not an
ad hom just stating a fact
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 15:25:26 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Aren't the Greens the ones really pointing out what is happening to my
planet because people keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere?
They are in fact lying about that.
Lying about what?
That pumping GHGs into the atmosphere has anything
to do with what is happening to the planet.
Sorry the science of GHG propertiess goes back to the 1820s.
And Greenland proves that what climate
change we have seen isnt due to them.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Pity about a similar bushfire in Victoria in 1850
Similar to the NSW fires
Nope, similar to the Victorian bushfires.
Post by Dechucka
in what way?
Area burnt out, stock killed, people killed, houses burnt out.
wrong
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_bushfires
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Maybe in area burnt
No maybe about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_bushfire_seasons#1800s
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
but we are fighting the fires with tankers, aircraft heavy machinery
unlike in 1850
Those are irrelevant in the worst bushfire days with
temps over 45C and winds over 50kmph, Once the
fire has crowned, all you can do is see how far it
gets before the wind and temperature changes.
Wrong again,
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
that is where the use of aircraft esp the LATs and VLATs come into play as
they can put in long retardant lines allowing tankers to go into property
protection against ember attack and the lesser radiant heat attack.
Doesn’t do a damned thing about burning embers
moving tens of kms in those strong winds and very
high temps spreading the fire way past any
retardant lines.

They are useful for putting out spot fires due to
lightning strikes before the worst bushfire days
but one the weather is the worst it gets, all you
can do is attempt to save a few houses and
see where it ends up and get people to leave
before the worst weather shows up so that
they don’t have to move to the beach like
they did at Mallacoota.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
The result seen in 1850 proves that
it has nothing to do with GHGs
<reams of your stupid shit flushed where it belongs>
Dechucka
2020-01-25 19:58:07 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up.  That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places.  I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Aren't the Greens the ones really pointing out what is happening
to my planet because people keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere?
They are in fact lying about that.
Lying about what?
That pumping GHGs into the atmosphere has anything
to do with what is happening to the planet.
Sorry the science of GHG propertiess goes back to the 1820s.
And Greenland proves that what climate
change we have seen isnt due to them.
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with greenhouse
properties into the atmosphere? Please include the scientific basis of
your argument.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Pity about a similar bushfire in Victoria in 1850
Similar to the NSW fires
Nope, similar to the Victorian bushfires.
Post by Dechucka
in what way?
Area burnt out, stock killed, people killed, houses burnt out.
wrong
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_bushfires
Different fires you moron
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Maybe in area burnt
No maybe about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_bushfire_seasons#1800s
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
but we are fighting the fires with tankers, aircraft heavy machinery
unlike in 1850
Those are irrelevant in the worst bushfire days with
temps over 45C and winds over 50kmph, Once the
fire has crowned, all you can do is see how far it
gets before the wind and temperature changes.
Wrong again,
Nope.
Yep
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
that is where the use of aircraft esp the LATs and VLATs come into
play as they can put in long retardant lines allowing tankers to go
into property protection against ember attack and the lesser radiant
heat attack.
Doesn’t do a damned thing about burning embers
moving tens of kms in those strong winds and very
high temps spreading the fire way past any
retardant lines.
Read what I said about the use of aircraft and ground assets
Post by Rod Speed
They are useful for putting out spot fires due to
lightning strikes
Total waste of resources using them for spot-fires.

before the worst bushfire days
Post by Rod Speed
but one the weather is the worst it gets, all you
can do is attempt to save a few houses and
see where it ends up and get people to leave
before the worst weather shows up so that
they don’t have to move to the beach like
they did at Mallacoota.
The VLAT and LAT are very useful in asset protection on these days, not
the panacea but part of the mix. If you believe fire-fighting in the
1800s were effective as the are today your more of a fool than I thought.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
The result seen in 1850 proves that
it has nothing to do with GHGs
<reams of your stupid shit flushed where it belongs>
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 21:17:10 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 10:44:00 +1100, Fran
Post by Fran
Post by FMurtz
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I was pleased to learn of that but I was very sad to hear that the Sugar
Pines near Batlow went up. That Sugar Pine walk was one of the most
truly spectacular of places. I hope the Sugar pines come back.
All destroyed by the "Greens"
Aren't the Greens the ones really pointing out what is happening to
my planet because people keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere?
They are in fact lying about that.
Lying about what?
That pumping GHGs into the atmosphere has anything
to do with what is happening to the planet.
Sorry the science of GHG propertiess goes back to the 1820s.
And Greenland proves that what climate
change we have seen isnt due to them.
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with greenhouse
properties into the atmosphere?
Clearly fuck all given that we saw Greenland like this
without it previously and saw the same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Pity about a similar bushfire in Victoria in 1850
Similar to the NSW fires
Nope, similar to the Victorian bushfires.
Post by Dechucka
in what way?
Area burnt out, stock killed, people killed, houses burnt out.
wrong
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_bushfires
Different fires you moron
Just a different area where it happened, fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Maybe in area burnt
No maybe about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_bushfire_seasons#1800s
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
but we are fighting the fires with tankers, aircraft heavy machinery
unlike in 1850
Those are irrelevant in the worst bushfire days with
temps over 45C and winds over 50kmph, Once the
fire has crowned, all you can do is see how far it
gets before the wind and temperature changes.
Wrong again,
Nope.
Yep
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
that is where the use of aircraft esp the LATs and VLATs come into play
as they can put in long retardant lines allowing tankers to go into
property protection against ember attack and the lesser radiant heat
attack.
Doesn’t do a damned thing about burning embers
moving tens of kms in those strong winds and very
high temps spreading the fire way past any
retardant lines.
Read what I said about the use of aircraft and ground assets
It is useless, as I said, in those worst conditions.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
They are useful for putting out spot fires due to
lightning strikes
Total waste of resources using them for spot-fires.
Not when they are inaccessible as they often are.
Post by Dechucka
before the worst bushfire days
Post by Rod Speed
but one the weather is the worst it gets, all you
can do is attempt to save a few houses and
see where it ends up and get people to leave
before the worst weather shows up so that
they don’t have to move to the beach like
they did at Mallacoota.
The VLAT and LAT are very useful in asset protection on these days,
Sure, but that doesn’t stop the crowned
bushfire and clearly doesn’t do a damned
thing about a fire like Mallacoota saw.
Post by Dechucka
not the panacea but part of the mix.
But doesn’t work on those worst bushfire days.
Post by Dechucka
If you believe fire-fighting in the 1800s were effective as the are today
Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
The result seen in 1850 proves that
it has nothing to do with GHGs
<reams of your stupid shit flushed where it belongs>
Dechucka
2020-01-25 21:27:55 UTC
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snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with greenhouse
properties into the atmosphere?
Clearly fuck all
How can that be scientifically true given that the science of the effect
of GHGs foes back to the 1820s. You probably pumping shit into rivers is
OK because it washes away.

given that we saw Greenland like this
Post by Rod Speed
without it previously and saw the same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping millions of
tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Pity about a similar bushfire in Victoria in 1850
Similar to the NSW fires
Nope, similar to the Victorian bushfires.
Post by Dechucka
in what way?
Area burnt out, stock killed, people killed, houses burnt out.
wrong
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_bushfires
Different fires you moron
Just a different area where it happened, fuckwit.
Try and remember what you posted previously and keep your arguments
consistent but still inane.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Maybe in area burnt
No maybe about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_bushfire_seasons#1800s
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
but we are fighting the fires with tankers, aircraft heavy
machinery unlike in 1850
Those are irrelevant in the worst bushfire days with
temps over 45C and winds over 50kmph, Once the
fire has crowned, all you can do is see how far it
gets before the wind and temperature changes.
Wrong again,
Nope.
Yep
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
that is where the use of aircraft esp the LATs and VLATs come into
play as they can put in long retardant lines allowing tankers to go
into property protection against ember attack and the lesser radiant
heat attack.
Doesn’t do a damned thing about burning embers
moving tens of kms in those strong winds and very
high temps spreading the fire way past any
retardant lines.
Read what I said about the use of aircraft and ground assets
It is useless, as I said, in those worst conditions.
You've got no idea do you. Oh well at least you're blissful.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
They are useful for putting out spot fires due to
lightning strikes
Total waste of resources using them for spot-fires.
Not when they are inaccessible as they often are.
Post by Dechucka
before the worst bushfire days
Post by Rod Speed
but one the weather is the worst it gets, all you
can do is attempt to save a few houses and
see where it ends up and get people to leave
before the worst weather shows up so that
they don’t have to move to the beach like
they did at Mallacoota.
The VLAT and LAT are very useful in asset protection on these days,
Sure, but that doesn’t stop the crowned
bushfire and clearly doesn’t do a damned
thing about a fire like Mallacoota saw.
Not sure if VLATs/LATs were available in Mallacoota.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
not the panacea but part of the mix.
But doesn’t work on those worst bushfire days.
Of course it does which is why we call them in, come on you must have
seen them on TV on catastrophic days putting in property protection
retardant lines. You've forgotten already?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
If you believe fire-fighting in the 1800s were effective as the are today
Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
It is a fact.
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 21:42:20 UTC
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----snip----
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with greenhouse
properties into the atmosphere?
Clearly fuck all
How can that be scientifically true given that the science of the effect
of GHGs foes back to the 1820s.
Some knowledge of the greenhouse effect does not equate to "the science of
the effect".
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
given that we saw Greenland like this
without it previously and saw the same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping millions of
tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
No need. It's up to you to show why you blame AGW when it's absent from
similar events in the past.

----snip----
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_bushfires
Different fires you moron
Just a different area where it happened, fuckwit.
Try and remember what you posted previously and keep your arguments
consistent
Practise what you preach.
Post by Dechucka
but still inane.
You can keep that distinction to yourself.

----snip----
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
If you believe fire-fighting in the 1800s were effective as the are today
Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
It is a fact.
Irrelevant. It's also a straw man.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 22:10:51 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with greenhouse
properties into the atmosphere?
Clearly fuck all
How can that be scientifically true given that the science of the effect
of GHGs foes back to the 1820s.
The science is irrelevant to what has been MEASURED
with climate change. Fuck all in fact over the time we
have been pumping millions of tonnes of gases
with greenhouse properties into the atmosphere,
say since the industrial revolution.

We have seen a bit of climate change, the Thames
doesn’t freeze over anymore and did back then,
but its far from clear that even that is actually
due to AGW. Its much more likely to actually
be due to the same natural climate change
that had previously seen the vikings decide
that Greenland was better than where they
came from. The Goyder Line too.

<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
given that we saw Greenland like this without it previously and saw the
same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping millions of
tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
Don’t need to explain it, all that is needed
is to rub your stupid nose in the FACT that
climate has changed fuck all since say the
industrial revolution started doing that.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Pity about a similar bushfire in Victoria in 1850
Similar to the NSW fires
Nope, similar to the Victorian bushfires.
Post by Dechucka
in what way?
Area burnt out, stock killed, people killed, houses burnt out.
wrong
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_bushfires
Different fires you moron
Just a different area where it happened, fuckwit.
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Maybe in area burnt
No maybe about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_bushfire_seasons#1800s
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
but we are fighting the fires with tankers, aircraft heavy machinery
unlike in 1850
Those are irrelevant in the worst bushfire days with
temps over 45C and winds over 50kmph, Once the
fire has crowned, all you can do is see how far it
gets before the wind and temperature changes.
Wrong again,
Nope.
Yep
Nope.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
that is where the use of aircraft esp the LATs and VLATs come into
play as they can put in long retardant lines allowing tankers to go
into property protection against ember attack and the lesser radiant
heat attack.
Doesn’t do a damned thing about burning embers
moving tens of kms in those strong winds and very
high temps spreading the fire way past any
retardant lines.
Read what I said about the use of aircraft and ground assets
It is useless, as I said, in those worst conditions.
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
They are useful for putting out spot fires due to
lightning strikes
Total waste of resources using them for spot-fires.
Not when they are inaccessible as they often are.
Post by Dechucka
before the worst bushfire days
Post by Rod Speed
but one the weather is the worst it gets, all you
can do is attempt to save a few houses and
see where it ends up and get people to leave
before the worst weather shows up so that
they don’t have to move to the beach like
they did at Mallacoota.
The VLAT and LAT are very useful in asset protection on these days,
Sure, but that doesn’t stop the crowned
bushfire and clearly doesn’t do a damned
thing about a fire like Mallacoota saw.
Not sure if VLATs/LATs were available in Mallacoota.
Corse they were.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
not the panacea but part of the mix.
But doesn’t work on those worst bushfire days.
Of course it does which is why we call them in, come on you must have seen
them on TV on catastrophic days putting in property protection retardant
lines.
Those don’t work when the weather conditions carry
burning embers for tens of kms, hundreds of kms in fact.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
If you believe fire-fighting in the 1800s were effective as the are today
Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
It is a fact.
Your lie about what I believe isnt.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 22:41:20 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with greenhouse
properties into the atmosphere?
Clearly fuck all
How can that be scientifically true given that the science of the
effect of GHGs foes back to the 1820s.
The science is irrelevant
That is your problem you believe in fantasy not facts

to what has been MEASURED
Post by Rod Speed
with climate change. Fuck all in fact over the time we
have been pumping millions of tonnes of gases
with greenhouse properties into the atmosphere,
say since the industrial revolution.
You seem adverse to facts as well as science, there has been measurable
changes in our climate due to GHGs.
Post by Rod Speed
We have seen a bit of climate change, the Thames
doesn’t freeze over anymore and did back then,
but its far from clear that even that is actually
due to AGW.
The science of GHGs is a fact and we are pumping them into the atmoshere
Post by Rod Speed
Its much more likely to actually
be due to the same natural climate change
that had previously seen the vikings decide
that Greenland was better than where they
came from. The Goyder Line too.
Actually natural climate change is mitigating AGW at the moment
Post by Rod Speed
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
given that we saw Greenland like this without it previously and saw
the same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping millions of
tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
Don’t need to explain it,
That should be you can't.
Post by Rod Speed
all that is needed
is to rub your stupid nose in the FACT that
climate has changed fuck all since say the
industrial revolution started doing that.
It has changed, you've even said so.snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Not sure if VLATs/LATs were available in Mallacoota.
Corse they were.
So was their use a waste of time and money?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
not the panacea but part of the mix.
But doesn’t work on those worst bushfire days.
Of course it does which is why we call them in, come on you must have
seen them on TV on catastrophic days putting in property protection
retardant lines.
Those don’t work when the weather conditions carry
burning embers for tens of kms, hundreds of kms in fact.
It retards the fires and allows ground assets to attempt to deal with
the ember attacks. Never heard of an ember attack from a fire 100s of km
away but you think you're the expert so you can back that up.

snip RS's incoherence
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:09:50 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with greenhouse
properties into the atmosphere?
Clearly fuck all
How can that be scientifically true given that the science of the effect
of GHGs foes back to the 1820s.
The science is irrelevant to what has been MEASURED
with climate change. Fuck all in fact over the time we
have been pumping millions of tonnes of gases
with greenhouse properties into the atmosphere,
say since the industrial revolution.
there has been measurable changes in our climate due to GHGs.
Another pig ignorant lie.
Post by Rod Speed
We have seen a bit of climate change, the Thames
doesn’t freeze over anymore and did back then,
but its far from clear that even that is actually
due to AGW.
The science of GHGs is a fact
But not any effect on the world climate.
Post by Rod Speed
Its much more likely to actually
be due to the same natural climate change
that had previously seen the vikings decide
that Greenland was better than where they
came from. The Goyder Line too.
Actually natural climate change is mitigating AGW at the moment
No evidence of that either.
Post by Rod Speed
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
given that we saw Greenland like this without it previously and saw the
same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping millions of
tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
Don’t need to explain it,
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Rod Speed
all that is needed
is to rub your stupid nose in the FACT that
climate has changed fuck all since say the
industrial revolution started doing that.
It has changed, you've even said so.
Not since the industrial revolution I didn’t, fuckwit.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Not sure if VLATs/LATs were available in Mallacoota.
Corse they were.
So was their use a waste of time and money?
Nope they are useful when the weather isnt that bad.

Save the Wollemi Pines for example.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
not the panacea but part of the mix.
But doesn’t work on those worst bushfire days.
Of course it does which is why we call them in, come on you must have
seen them on TV on catastrophic days putting in property protection
retardant lines.
Those don’t work when the weather conditions carry
burning embers for tens of kms, hundreds of kms in fact.
It retards the fires
Like hell it does when the fire has crowned and the
wind is blowing at 100 kmph with temps over 45C

The dropped water doesn’t even get thru the fucking
canopy with euc forests to get the burning litter trash.
and allows ground assets to attempt to deal with the ember attacks.
That isnt even possible when the fire has crowned
and the wind is blowing at 100kmph with temps of
over 45C, fuckwit.

<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Dechucka
2020-01-25 23:25:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with
greenhouse properties into the atmosphere?
Clearly fuck all
How can that be scientifically true given that the science of the
effect of GHGs foes back to the 1820s.
The science is irrelevant to what has been MEASURED
with climate change. Fuck all in fact over the time we
have been pumping millions of tonnes of gases
with greenhouse properties into the atmosphere,
say since the industrial revolution.
there has been measurable changes in our climate due to GHGs.
Another pig ignorant lie.
Post by Rod Speed
We have seen a bit of climate change, the Thames
doesn’t freeze over anymore and did back then,
but its far from clear that even that is actually
due to AGW.
The science of GHGs is a fact
But not any effect on the world climate.
So these gases magically lose their GH properties when pumped into the
atmosphere. WOW how does that work?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
Its much more likely to actually
be due to the same natural climate change
that had previously seen the vikings decide
that Greenland was better than where they
came from. The Goyder Line too.
Actually natural climate change is mitigating AGW at the moment
No evidence of that either.
Do you want to see it?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
given that we saw Greenland like this without it previously and saw
the same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping millions
of tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
Don’t need to explain it,
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
 >all that is needed
Post by Rod Speed
is to rub your stupid nose in the FACT that
climate has changed fuck all since say the
industrial revolution started doing that.
It has changed, you've even said so.
Not since the industrial revolution I didn’t, fuckwit.
Actually yo did. Getting old sucks for you
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Not sure if VLATs/LATs were available in Mallacoota.
Corse they were.
So was their use a waste of time and money?
Nope they are useful when the weather isnt that bad.
So they were useful in saving some of Mallacoota and if the were
available in 1850 would have easily mitigated some of the effects of
those fires
Post by Rod Speed
Save the Wollemi Pines for example.
They weren't used to save them
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
not the panacea but part of the mix.
But doesn’t work on those worst bushfire days.
Of course it does which is why we call them in, come on you must
have seen them on TV on catastrophic days putting in property
protection retardant lines.
Those don’t work when the weather conditions carry
burning embers for tens of kms, hundreds of kms in fact.
It retards the fires
Like hell it does when the fire has crowned and the
wind is blowing at 100 kmph with temps over 45C
It does which is why the are used in catastrophic conditions with
crowning fires like at Mallacoota
Post by Rod Speed
The dropped water doesn’t even get thru the fucking
canopy with euc forests to get the burning litter trash.
VLAT and LATs don't drop water you complete and utter moron
Post by Rod Speed
and allows ground assets to attempt to deal with the ember attacks.
That isnt even possible when the fire has crowned
and the wind is blowing at 100kmph with temps of
over 45C, fuckwit.
I've dealt with ember attacks in those conditions so of course it can be
done
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:50:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
What effect does pumping millions of tonnes of gases with greenhouse
properties into the atmosphere?
Clearly fuck all
How can that be scientifically true given that the science of the
effect of GHGs foes back to the 1820s.
The science is irrelevant to what has been MEASURED
with climate change. Fuck all in fact over the time we
have been pumping millions of tonnes of gases
with greenhouse properties into the atmosphere,
say since the industrial revolution.
there has been measurable changes in our climate due to GHGs.
Another pig ignorant lie.
Post by Rod Speed
We have seen a bit of climate change, the Thames
doesn’t freeze over anymore and did back then,
but its far from clear that even that is actually
due to AGW.
The science of GHGs is a fact
But not any effect on the world climate.
So these gases magically lose their GH properties when pumped into the
atmosphere.
Nope, there is much more going on with
clouds etc than just the GH effect, fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
Its much more likely to actually
be due to the same natural climate change
that had previously seen the vikings decide
that Greenland was better than where they
came from. The Goyder Line too.
Actually natural climate change is mitigating AGW at the moment
No evidence of that either.
Do you want to see it?
It doesn’t exist.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
given that we saw Greenland like this without it previously and saw
the same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping millions of
tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
Don’t need to explain it,
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Rod Speed
all that is needed
is to rub your stupid nose in the FACT that
climate has changed fuck all since say the
industrial revolution started doing that.
It has changed, you've even said so.
Not since the industrial revolution I didn’t, fuckwit.
Actually yo did.
Actually I didn’t, The volcano that produced 6 volcano
winters was in fact 75 THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS
BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.

And since this shit is the best you can manage,
here goes the chain on the rest of your even
sillier shit and lies.
Dechucka
2020-01-26 00:24:32 UTC
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snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
The science of GHGs is a fact
But not any effect on the world climate.
So these gases magically lose their GH properties when pumped into the
atmosphere.
Nope, there is much more going on with
clouds etc than just the GH effect, fuckwit.
There is but GHG do have an effect
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Its much more likely to actually
be due to the same natural climate change
that had previously seen the vikings decide
that Greenland was better than where they
came from. The Goyder Line too.
Actually natural climate change is mitigating AGW at the moment
No evidence of that either.
Do you want to see it?
It doesn’t exist.
LOL only in your mind
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
given that we saw Greenland like this without it previously and
saw the same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping
millions of tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
Don’t need to explain it,
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
 >all that is needed
Post by Rod Speed
is to rub your stupid nose in the FACT that
climate has changed fuck all since say the
industrial revolution started doing that.
It has changed, you've even said so.
Not since the industrial revolution I didn’t, fuckwit.
Actually yo did.
Actually I didn’t, The volcano that produced 6 volcano
winters was in fact 75 THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS
BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
WOW and so what. BTW that is ash not GHG
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:45:23 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
The science of GHGs is a fact
But not any effect on the world climate.
So these gases magically lose their GH properties when pumped into the
atmosphere.
Nope, there is much more going on with
clouds etc than just the GH effect, fuckwit.
There is but GHG do have an effect
How odd that that hasn’t been measurable since
the industrial revolution started doing that,
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Its much more likely to actually
be due to the same natural climate change
that had previously seen the vikings decide
that Greenland was better than where they
came from. The Goyder Line too.
Actually natural climate change is mitigating AGW at the moment
No evidence of that either.
Do you want to see it?
It doesn’t exist.
LOL only in your mind
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
given that we saw Greenland like this without it previously and saw
the same conditions for
bushfires in Victoria in 1859 without it.
Post by Dechucka
Please include the scientific basis of your argument.
Just did.
None there because you can't logically explain why pumping millions
of tonnes of GHGs into the atmosphere has no effect.
Don’t need to explain it,
<reams of your ad hom shit flushed where it belongs>
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
all that is needed
is to rub your stupid nose in the FACT that
climate has changed fuck all since say the
industrial revolution started doing that.
It has changed, you've even said so.
Not since the industrial revolution I didn’t, fuckwit.
Actually yo did.
Actually I didn’t, The volcano that produced 6 volcano
winters was in fact 75 THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS
BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
WOW and so what.
So you lied about what I said fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
BTW that is ash not GHG
Never said it was GHG, fuckwit.

I JUST said that that had a measurable effect on climate, fuckwit,.
Dechucka
2020-01-26 00:52:35 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
The science of GHGs is a fact
But not any effect on the world climate.
So these gases magically lose their GH properties when pumped into
the atmosphere.
Nope, there is much more going on with
clouds etc than just the GH effect, fuckwit.
There is but GHG do have an effect
How odd that that hasn’t been measurable since
the industrial revolution started doing that,
How odd that you haven't seen the evidence. Well I'm sure you've seen it
you're just in denial.
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 01:13:00 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
The science of GHGs is a fact
But not any effect on the world climate.
So these gases magically lose their GH properties when pumped into the
atmosphere.
Nope, there is much more going on with
clouds etc than just the GH effect, fuckwit.
There is but GHG do have an effect
How odd that that hasn’t been measurable since
the industrial revolution started doing that,
How odd that you haven't seen the evidence.
There is no evidence of that,
Dechucka
2020-01-26 01:25:42 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
snip
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
The science of GHGs is a fact
But not any effect on the world climate.
So these gases magically lose their GH properties when pumped into
the atmosphere.
Nope, there is much more going on with
clouds etc than just the GH effect, fuckwit.
There is but GHG do have an effect
How odd that that hasn’t been measurable since
the industrial revolution started doing that,
How odd that you haven't seen the evidence.Well I'm sure you've seen it you're just in denial.
There is no evidence of that,
LOL
Ned Latham
2020-01-25 23:35:04 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Actually natural climate change is mitigating AGW at the moment
Or, your idiot dogma notwithstanduing, it's the other way around.
Fran
2020-01-25 21:20:02 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
that is where the use of aircraft esp the LATs and VLATs come into
play as they can put in long retardant lines allowing tankers to go
into property protection against ember attack and the lesser radiant
heat attack.
Doesn’t do a damned thing about burning embers
moving tens of kms in those strong winds and very
high temps spreading the fire way past any
retardant lines.
Read what I said about the use of aircraft and ground assets
:-))))))
Fran
2020-01-25 21:17:34 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Lying about what?
That pumping GHGs into the atmosphere has anything
to do with what is happening to the planet.
Sorry the science of GHG propertiess goes back to the 1820s.
All one can do is grin when seeing this sort of exchange.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 01:36:57 UTC
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Post by FMurtz
Post by news18
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines,
Still do, there were two of those Hercs, one still being used.
Post by FMurtz
could that crew have been saving houses? may be the pines are more
important,
Corse they are, they are irreplaceable, houses arent.
Post by FMurtz
I do not know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
So are we,
news18
2020-01-25 06:36:31 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I'm for the wollemi pines over any home. As far as we know, they are
unique and we just might need some clue as to how they;ve survived for
all the years they did to ensure that we survive.

This is why it is important to lock up national parks as much as we can.
i know of nothing in our human history tha "nature" hasn't given us a
clue in the past.

As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication that we
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 06:43:36 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by FMurtz
Post by news18
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I'm for the wollemi pines over any home. As far as we know, they
are unique and we just might need some clue as to how they;ve
survived for all the years they did to ensure that we survive.
Taint gunna happen, they are trees, stupid.
Post by news18
This is why it is important to lock up national parks as much as we can.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by news18
i know of nothing in our human history tha
"nature" hasn't given us a clue in the past.
That’s bullshit too with evolution.
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
jonz
2020-01-25 06:59:25 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
Post by FMurtz
Post by news18
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Mattb
US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison, Fires,
Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
You'd be safer to say never. His name will live for the infamy of it all.
At least we had a crew to save the wollemi pines, could that crew have
been saving houses? may be the pines are more important, I do not
know.Lucky I did not have to decide.
I'm for the wollemi pines over any home. As far as we know, they
are unique and we just might need some clue as to how they;ve
survived for all the years they did to ensure that we survive.
Taint gunna happen, they are trees, stupid.
Post by news18
This is why it is important to lock up national parks as much as we can.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by news18
i know of nothing in our human history tha
"nature" hasn't given us a clue in the past.
That’s bullshit too with evolution.
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ya think?.. Have read up on the declining usefulness of antibiotics.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 10:50:02 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 15:30:32 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't
heard of multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to
face some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.

Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works
even better with bacteria,
Dechucka
2020-01-25 20:03:47 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face some NEW
strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really? I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works
even better with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers occur in
isolated areas
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 21:22:13 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face some NEW
strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of ignorance
you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better with
bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers occur in
isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.

Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 21:38:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face some
NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from the
norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better
with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers occur in
isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 22:19:10 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face some
NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from the
norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."

That’s been happening for decades now.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been
infected and prevent them from travelling.

Whats why Wuhan has been locked down
and they arent even allowed to use cars now.

And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now
in isolation and can not spread it any further.

Melburg wont be turning into
the result Wuhan got, you watch.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better with
bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers occur in
isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Just 4 so far, 1 in melburg, 3 in sydney.

None in the UK and it gets 3 flights from
Wuhan a week,, or did before the Wuhan
lockdown anyway.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 22:46:16 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face
some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from
the norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been
infected and prevent them from travelling.
To late as they are infective when asymptomatic with many diseases
including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Post by Rod Speed
Whats why Wuhan has been locked down
and they arent even allowed to use cars now.
Yet the disease has spread.
Post by Rod Speed
And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now
in isolation and can not spread it any further.
well may have spread it earlier
Post by Rod Speed
Melburg wont be turning into
the result Wuhan got, you watch.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better
with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers occur
in isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Just 4 so far, 1 in melburg, 3 in sydney.
None in the UK and it gets 3 flights from
Wuhan a week,, or did before the Wuhan
lockdown anyway.
3 in France so what point are you trying to make?
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:17:20 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face some
NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from the
norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Nope, just more of the same.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been
infected and prevent them from travelling.
To late as they are infective when asymptomatic
Not with this virus. It doesn’t pass very readily from
person to person and so far no one has been identified
as having been infected by that Melburg fella in the
plane which is in theory a real danger for the spread.
Post by Dechucka
with many diseases including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Wrong with the last.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Whats why Wuhan has been locked down
and they arent even allowed to use cars now.
Yet the disease has spread.
But they have only just started isolating if, fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now
in isolation and can not spread it any further.
well may have spread it earlier
No evidence that he has even spread it to
his relos let alone anyone else on the plane.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Melburg wont be turning into
the result Wuhan got, you watch.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better
with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers occur in
isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Just 4 so far, 1 in melburg, 3 in sydney.
None in the UK and it gets 3 flights from
Wuhan a week,, or did before the Wuhan
lockdown anyway.
3 in France so what point are you trying to make?
That even with 3 direct flights a week there
hasn’t been any spread to the UK yet, fuckwit.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 23:30:12 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face
some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from
the norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Nope, just more of the same.
If it is more of the same than resistance wouldn't be a problem
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been
infected and prevent them from travelling.
To late as they are infective when  asymptomatic
Not with this virus. It doesn’t pass very readily from
person to person and so far no one has been identified
as having been infected by that Melburg fella in the
plane which is in theory a real danger for the spread.
WOW you better get onto the medical authorities with your knowledge of
this virus.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
with many diseases including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Wrong with the last.
How would you know?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Whats why Wuhan has been locked down
and they arent even allowed to use cars now.
Yet the disease has spread.
But they have only just started isolating if, fuckwit.
To bloody late it has spread.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now
in isolation and can not spread it any further.
well may have spread it earlier
No evidence that he has even spread it to
his relos let alone anyone else on the plane.
true, so what?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Melburg wont be turning into
the result Wuhan got, you watch.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better
with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers
occur in isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Just 4 so far, 1 in melburg, 3 in sydney.
None in the UK and it gets 3 flights from
Wuhan a week,, or did before the Wuhan
lockdown anyway.
3 in France so what point are you trying to make?
That even with 3 direct flights a week there
hasn’t been any spread to the UK yet, fuckwit.
So what?
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 23:58:43 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face
some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from
the norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Nope, just more of the same.
If it is more of the same than resistance wouldn't be a problem
Corse it is when more resistant strains show up.

Its just more of the same problem, fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been
infected and prevent them from travelling.
To late as they are infective when asymptomatic
Not with this virus. It doesn’t pass very readily from
person to person and so far no one has been identified
as having been infected by that Melburg fella in the
plane which is in theory a real danger for the spread.
WOW you better get onto the medical authorities with your knowledge of
this virus.
No point, they have noticed that,
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
with many diseases including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Wrong with the last.
How would you know?
From the fact that he hasn’t infected
his relos and no one else on the plane.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Whats why Wuhan has been locked down
and they arent even allowed to use cars now.
Yet the disease has spread.
But they have only just started isolating if, fuckwit.
To bloody late it has spread.
Duh, but irrelevant to the fact that isolation does
work when applied early enough. Which might well
be why we have been isolating all those who have
turned up in this country and have been shown to
have caught it.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now
in isolation and can not spread it any further.
well may have spread it earlier
No evidence that he has even spread it to
his relos let alone anyone else on the plane.
true, so what?
So it clearly isnt very infectious, fuckwit.

Keep this mindless shit up and I
will be flushing all your shit unread.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Melburg wont be turning into
the result Wuhan got, you watch.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better
with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers occur
in isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Just 4 so far, 1 in melburg, 3 in sydney.
None in the UK and it gets 3 flights from
Wuhan a week,, or did before the Wuhan
lockdown anyway.
3 in France so what point are you trying to make?
That even with 3 direct flights a week there
hasn’t been any spread to the UK yet, fuckwit.
So what?
So it clearly isnt very easily spread by international travel, fuckwit.
Dechucka
2020-01-26 00:34:00 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face
some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different
from the norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Nope, just more of the same.
If it is more of the same than resistance wouldn't be a problem
Corse it is when more resistant strains show up.
So it a problem. Make up your mind
Post by Rod Speed
Its just more of the same problem, fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been
infected and prevent them from travelling.
To late as they are infective when  asymptomatic
Not with this virus. It doesn’t pass very readily from
person to person and so far no one has been identified
as having been infected by that Melburg fella in the
plane which is in theory a real danger for the spread.
WOW you better get onto the medical authorities with your knowledge of
this virus.
No point, they have noticed that,
They're still investigating but you know EVERYTHING, help them please
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
with many diseases including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Wrong with the last.
How would you know?
From the fact that he hasn’t infected
his relos and no one else on the plane.
What is the latency period with this infection?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Whats why Wuhan has been locked down
and they arent even allowed to use cars now.
Yet the disease has spread.
But they have only just started isolating if, fuckwit.
To bloody late it has spread.
Duh, but irrelevant to the fact that isolation does
work when applied early enough. Which might well
be why we have been isolating all those who have
turned up in this country and have been shown to
have caught it.
Pity for all the asymptomatic ones
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And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now
in isolation and can not spread it any further.
well may have spread it earlier
No evidence that he has even spread it to
his relos let alone anyone else on the plane.
true, so what?
So it clearly isnt very infectious, fuckwit.
So why bother isolating them?
Post by Rod Speed
Keep this mindless shit up and I
will be flushing all your shit unread.
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Post by Rod Speed
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Melburg wont be turning into
the result Wuhan got, you watch.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even
better with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers
occur in isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Just 4 so far, 1 in melburg, 3 in sydney.
None in the UK and it gets 3 flights from
Wuhan a week,, or did before the Wuhan
lockdown anyway.
3 in France so what point are you trying to make?
That even with 3 direct flights a week there
hasn’t been any spread to the UK yet, fuckwit.
So what?
So it clearly isnt very easily spread by international travel, fuckwit.
So isolation is a waste of time
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:58:31 UTC
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Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face
some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from
the norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Nope, just more of the same.
If it is more of the same than resistance wouldn't be a problem
Corse it is when more resistant strains show up.
So it a problem.
But not a NEW problem, fuckwit.
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Its just more of the same problem, fuckwit.
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I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been
infected and prevent them from travelling.
To late as they are infective when asymptomatic
Not with this virus. It doesn’t pass very readily from
person to person and so far no one has been identified
as having been infected by that Melburg fella in the
plane which is in theory a real danger for the spread.
WOW you better get onto the medical authorities with your knowledge of
this virus.
No point, they have noticed that,
They're still investigating
Not with that question about how readily it passes
from person to person they arent, fuckwit.
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
with many diseases including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Wrong with the last.
How would you know?
From the fact that he hasn’t infected
his relos and no one else on the plane.
What is the latency period with this infection?
Post by Rod Speed
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Post by Rod Speed
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Post by Rod Speed
Whats why Wuhan has been locked down
and they arent even allowed to use cars now.
Yet the disease has spread.
But they have only just started isolating if, fuckwit.
To bloody late it has spread.
Duh, but irrelevant to the fact that isolation does
work when applied early enough. Which might well
be why we have been isolating all those who have
turned up in this country and have been shown to
have caught it.
Pity for all the asymptomatic ones
It remains to be seen if there are any of those.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now
in isolation and can not spread it any further.
well may have spread it earlier
No evidence that he has even spread it to
his relos let alone anyone else on the plane.
true, so what?
So it clearly isnt very infectious, fuckwit.
So why bother isolating them?
Because it removes the possibility of any transfer, fuckwit.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Keep this mindless shit up and I
will be flushing all your shit unread.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Melburg wont be turning into
the result Wuhan got, you watch.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better
with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers
occur in isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a
chinese person in Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Just 4 so far, 1 in melburg, 3 in sydney.
None in the UK and it gets 3 flights from
Wuhan a week,, or did before the Wuhan
lockdown anyway.
3 in France so what point are you trying to make?
That even with 3 direct flights a week there
hasn’t been any spread to the UK yet, fuckwit.
So what?
So it clearly isnt very easily spread by international travel, fuckwit.
So isolation is a waste of time
Nope.
Dechucka
2020-01-26 01:29:15 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to
face some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different
from the norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Nope, just more of the same.
If it is more of the same than resistance wouldn't be a problem
Corse it is when more resistant strains show up.
So it a problem.
But not a NEW problem, fuckwit.
It is a new problem when once susceptible bugs become resistant.
Post by Rod Speed
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Post by Rod Speed
Its just more of the same problem, fuckwit.
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position
of ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one
isnt going to be multi antibiotic RESISTANT
by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been
infected and prevent them from travelling.
To late as they are infective when  asymptomatic
Not with this virus. It doesn’t pass very readily from
person to person and so far no one has been identified
as having been infected by that Melburg fella in the
plane which is in theory a real danger for the spread.
WOW you better get onto the medical authorities with your knowledge
of this virus.
No point, they have noticed that,
They're still investigating
Not with that question about how readily it passes
from person to person they arent, fuckwit.
So if it so bloody hard to pass on and the morbidity and mortality is
about the same as normal flu why is anybody concerned
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
with many diseases including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Wrong with the last.
How would you know?
 From the fact that he hasn’t infected
his relos and no one else on the plane.
What is the latency period with this infection?
What no answer from the ng expert and guru?

snip
news18
2020-01-25 23:52:45 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good
indication that we are about to face some new, dangerous
bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face
some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from
the norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one isnt going to be multi
antibiotic RESISTANT by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been infected and prevent them
from travelling.
To late as they are infective when asymptomatic with many diseases
including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Post by Rod Speed
Whats why Wuhan has been locked down and they arent even allowed to use
cars now.
Yet the disease has spread.
Post by Rod Speed
And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now in isolation and can not
spread it any further.
Wrong, they do not yet know how it spreads and you can bet they are
worried.

Considering that hospitals have problems containing "contact" bugs and a
Chinese doctor treating patients has died from it.

The only good sign, so far, is that other passengers on the various
aircraft with infected people have not developed the bug. but, they still
don't know the incubation period.
Rod Speed
2020-01-26 00:15:52 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good
indication that we are about to face some new, dangerous
bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face
some NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from
the norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
That isnt "some new, dangerous bacterial problems."
That’s been happening for decades now.
Creating a new dangerous bacterial problems
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one isnt going to be multi
antibiotic RESISTANT by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
Wrong when you isolate those who have been infected and prevent them
from travelling.
To late as they are infective when asymptomatic with many diseases
including the novel corona virus (it seems)
Post by Rod Speed
Whats why Wuhan has been locked down and they arent even allowed to use
cars now.
Yet the disease has spread.
Post by Rod Speed
And when someone from there did fly to Melburg.
and was found to have developed it he is now in isolation and can not
spread it any further.
Wrong, they do not yet know how it spreads
But do know that its not very easily spread given
that none of his relos have got it and that none
of those on the plane got infected by him either.
Post by news18
and you can bet they are worried.
Only in the sense that they have done the
obvious thing, keep him isolated in hospital.
Post by news18
Considering that hospitals have problems containing "contact"
bugs and a Chinese doctor treating patients has died from it.
But only one and none of ours.
Post by news18
The only good sign, so far, is that other passengers on the various
aircraft with infected people have not developed the bug.
So its clearly not very infectious by person to person transfer.
Post by news18
but, they still don't know the incubation period.
Corse they do.
Dechucka
2020-01-26 00:35:05 UTC
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but, they still don't know the incubation period.
Corse they do.
What is it?
news18
2020-01-25 22:49:18 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
Corse I have but there is no evidence that we are about to face some
NEW strains of that in enough volume to matter
Really?
Yep.
Unfortunately we are seeing new STRAINS ( genetically different from the
norm) bacteria that are multiply resistant.
Post by Dechucka
I think you better be a bit more concerned than the position of
ignorance you take.
No need, taint gunna happen and a NEW one isnt going to be multi
antibiotic RESISTANT by definition, you pig ignorant clown.
Post by Dechucka
and even if we did, isolation works fine as ebola proves.
Working well with the novel corona-virus isn't it
Only just been used in the last couple of days.
Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
It didn't work in the old dys either. I know someone who picked up an
infection in the 60s from an international traveller. They only lived
because his doctor was asian trained and quickly realised what it was and
how to treat it.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Yes I know that ebola is a virus, but isolation works even better
with bacteria,
We're very lucky that a lot of these viral hemorrhagic fevers occur in
isolated areas
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a chinese person in
Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Well, it ws four last night, before I went to bed.
Petzl
2020-01-25 23:29:17 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
That’s bullshit too. Isolation works fine anywhere.
Which might just be why the confirmed case in a chinese person in
Melbourne is in isolation now.
How many cases in Aus?
Well, it ws four last night, before I went to bed.
All bought virus in from China
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-confirms-four-coronavirus-cases-as-authorities-rush-to-stop-spread
https://is.gd/i8Jz9Q
Four coronavirus cases have been confirmed in Australia as authorities
around the world scramble to stop the deadly illness from spreading
further.

Three men are in hospital in Sydney after flying in from China, while
another man in his 50s is being treated in Melbourne.

Coronavirus has killed at least 41 people in China and the city of
Wuhan, the epicentre of the illness, remains in lockdown.

Two of the men taken to hospital in Sydney flew directly from Wuhan, a
53-year-old on 20 January and a 43-year-old two days prior. The third
man, aged 35, arrived from the southern city of Shenzhen on 6 January.

Medical staff in Wuhan, China take a patient suspected of carrying a
new coronavirus into hospital.
Medical staff in Wuhan, China take a patient suspected of carrying a
new coronavirus into hospital.

A fourth, also aged in his 50s, was Australia's first confirmed case
of the virus after he touched down in Melbourne from Guangzhou on 19
January.
--
Petzl
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Ned Latham
2020-01-25 23:14:10 UTC
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Isolation doesn't work in these days of easy international travel
That, you cretin, isn't isolation.
Fran
2020-01-25 21:46:36 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems, there is a good indication
that we are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
Bullshit and we have antibiotics if it did.
So as a scientific ignoramus you obviously haven't heard of
multi-antibiotic resistant bacteria
:-)) Even I've heard of it and one doesn't get much more science
ignoramus than me.

I'm allergic to Penicillin and my doctor recently insisted that I go to
an immunologist to confirm that I was really and truly allergic. My
doctor was worried that it'd be much better if I could be treated with
common old penicillin and reserve the other antibiotics for when we
might need to use bigger guns.

The immunologist gave no joy.
Fran
2020-01-25 10:22:58 UTC
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Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?

there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
Dechucka
2020-01-25 10:52:02 UTC
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Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?
there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
TB, gonorrhea, MRSA, MRSE and and and .... Lots of multi resistant
bacteria going around including in the non-hospital environment.
Fran
2020-01-25 21:21:52 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?
there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
TB, gonorrhea, MRSA, MRSE and and and .... Lots of multi resistant
bacteria going around including in the non-hospital environment.
So it's 'new' as in old things are evolving...?
news18
2020-01-25 11:51:23 UTC
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Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?
there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
Off the top of my head, aka I'd have to search it up again, but the last
great antibiotic is no longer so great. They haver three strains of it
and two out of the three strains are effectively useless and the thrird
strain is only effective in about 90% of cases.

The first problem was that by the time they work out which strain was
useful, you are likely to be dead, especially if you have weakened immune
system.

The real problem is is the particular bug has managed to generate the
resistance to the antibiotic in three seperate locations through out the
world. They can not find any link to show how an initial mutation could
have spread.

Sorry, I can not give you a link, but "resistant superbug" seems as
common as "daily news" no matter what other combination I try with it.

For anyone else behind the times, try combining arstechica or slashdot
with "resistant superbug" for background to this struggle.

None of these are the article i'm looking for.
Dechucka
2020-01-25 20:12:16 UTC
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Post by news18
Post by Fran
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?
there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
Off the top of my head, aka I'd have to search it up again, but the last
great antibiotic is no longer so great. They haver three strains of it
and two out of the three strains are effectively useless and the thrird
strain is only effective in about 90% of cases.
The first problem was that by the time they work out which strain was
useful, you are likely to be dead, especially if you have weakened immune
system.
The real problem is is the particular bug has managed to generate the
resistance to the antibiotic in three seperate locations through out the
world. They can not find any link to show how an initial mutation could
have spread.
Sorry, I can not give you a link, but "resistant superbug" seems as
common as "daily news" no matter what other combination I try with it.
For anyone else behind the times, try combining arstechica or slashdot
with "resistant superbug" for background to this struggle.
None of these are the article i'm looking for.
OK only wiki but not a bad overview of drug resistance in viruses and
bacteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_drug_resistance. The
problem is that drug resistant bacteria are moving from hospital
acquired infections with some of the weird and wonderful bugs to common
infections like e.coli, Streptococcus pneumoniae, staph aureus acquired
in the community by otherwise healthy people.
Fran
2020-01-25 21:39:32 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?
there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
Off the top of my head, aka I'd have to search it up again, but the last
great antibiotic is no longer so great. They haver three strains of it
and two out of the three strains are effectively useless and the thrird
strain is only effective in about 90% of cases.
The first problem was that by the time they work out which strain was
useful, you are likely to be dead, especially if you have weakened immune
system.
Yep that all makes sense.
Post by news18
The real problem is is the particular bug has managed to generate the
resistance to the antibiotic in three seperate locations through out the
world. They can not find any link to show how an initial mutation could
have spread.
Sorry, I can not give you a link, but "resistant superbug" seems as
common as "daily news" no matter what other combination I try with it.
For anyone else behind the times, try combining arstechica or slashdot
with "resistant superbug" for background to this struggle.
I've had personal experience of needing a 'new' drug (or perhaps more
correctly, still in the develpment/testing phase).

I'd been hospitalised with some nasty infection at a time when I was
undergoing cancer treatment and nothing was being effective against the
bug I had. The only reason why I know or remember the need was for a
'new' treatment is that hospital's head 'bug' man came to see me and
stayed and chatted for quite a long time. The nurses were all agog that
a) he'd been seen out of his lab with a real live patient and b) he'd
stayed and talked to me (as in a normal conversational way) for what
they considered was a long time. I just thought he was normal and
interesting and not at all oddly geeky as the nurses did. Anyway, the
upshot was that the bug man had had to gain signed approval from the PM
for me to get access to and to use that drug on a real patient. It
worked but I've no idea what the drug was.
Post by news18
None of these are the article i'm looking for.
news18
2020-01-25 23:38:27 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by news18
Post by Fran
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?
there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
Off the top of my head, aka I'd have to search it up again, but the
last great antibiotic is no longer so great. They haver three strains
of it and two out of the three strains are effectively useless and the
thrird strain is only effective in about 90% of cases.
The first problem was that by the time they work out which strain was
useful, you are likely to be dead, especially if you have weakened
immune system.
Yep that all makes sense.
Post by news18
The real problem is is the particular bug has managed to generate the
resistance to the antibiotic in three seperate locations through out
the world. They can not find any link to show how an initial mutation
could have spread.
Sorry, I can not give you a link, but "resistant superbug" seems as
common as "daily news" no matter what other combination I try with it.
For anyone else behind the times, try combining arstechica or slashdot
with "resistant superbug" for background to this struggle.
I've had personal experience of needing a 'new' drug (or perhaps more
correctly, still in the develpment/testing phase).
I'd been hospitalised with some nasty infection at a time when I was
undergoing cancer treatment and nothing was being effective against the
bug I had. The only reason why I know or remember the need was for a
'new' treatment is that hospital's head 'bug' man came to see me and
stayed and chatted for quite a long time. The nurses were all agog that
a) he'd been seen out of his lab with a real live patient and b) he'd
stayed and talked to me (as in a normal conversational way) for what
they considered was a long time. I just thought he was normal and
interesting and not at all oddly geeky as the nurses did.
Of all the specialists, the infection quacks are the ones with the best
picture of what is going on overall. Because stuff s changing so fast in
their sphere of influence, they have an open and inquistive mind. Unlike
the other quacks who went to college decades ago and are rusted onto what
they learned there unless the drug comapnies have provided a weeks course
at a golf course.

I've had discourse three times with them. The first was a bug I brought
into hospital. That got escallated to the head bug guy fast. The second
was when I volunteered to be a doctor assessment guinea pig (it had to be
less boring than bed sitting) and the fire alarm rang and he stuck around
until he found out where to take me, but it turned out to be a false
alarm. sd we had a really good chact.

The same guy turned up when GP did his usual "you need to go in for
observation" and I was stupid enough to agree. I picked up three
infections at the hospital within 24 hours. The worst was messy,but if
you don't really clean stuff in a hospital, what do you expect. The
second was easily dispatched. MRSA was the third and we decided that if I
went home and continued my regular sitting in the sun routines, then i
was better off at home than in a hospital room that never got the direct
sun.
Post by Fran
Anyway, the
upshot was that the bug man had had to gain signed approval from the PM
for me to get access to and to use that drug on a real patient. It
worked but I've no idea what the drug was.
Sadly, I've had a few. I don't think any of them went that far up the
approval chain, but the GP has regularly rung through for approvals for
antibiotics and other drugs. I really hate being a guinea pig for drugs
under testing, as three ties i've suffered side effects.
Post by Fran
Post by news18
None of these are the article i'm looking for.
Sadly, I didn't think of the extra clue I needed overnight.
jonz
2020-01-25 22:19:04 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?
there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
Off the top of my head, aka I'd have to search it up again, but the last
great antibiotic is no longer so great. They haver three strains of it
and two out of the three strains are effectively useless and the thrird
strain is only effective in about 90% of cases.
The first problem was that by the time they work out which strain was
useful, you are likely to be dead, especially if you have weakened immune
system.
The real problem is is the particular bug has managed to generate the
resistance to the antibiotic in three seperate locations through out the
world. They can not find any link to show how an initial mutation could
have spread.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mainly through over prescribing....Taking the easy way out!.
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Sorry, I can not give you a link, but "resistant superbug" seems as
common as "daily news" no matter what other combination I try with it.
For anyone else behind the times, try combining arstechica or slashdot
with "resistant superbug" for background to this struggle.
None of these are the article i'm looking for.
news18
2020-01-25 23:46:12 UTC
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Post by jonz
Post by news18
Post by Fran
Post by news18
As well as the current virus problems,
Fun times?
there is a good indication that we
Post by news18
are about to face some new, dangerous bacterial problems.
?? Care to share wha tthey might be?
Off the top of my head, aka I'd have to search it up again, but the
last great antibiotic is no longer so great. They haver three strains
of it and two out of the three strains are effectively useless and the
thrird strain is only effective in about 90% of cases.
The first problem was that by the time they work out which strain was
useful, you are likely to be dead, especially if you have weakened
immune system.
The real problem is is the particular bug has managed to generate the
resistance to the antibiotic in three seperate locations through out
the world. They can not find any link to show how an initial mutation
could have spread.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mainly through over prescribing....Taking the easy way out!.
Not just for humans. Agricultue is responsible for a lot of it as it is
the same antibiotics. They've been preventatively dosing chickens and
other animals for decades to produce cheap meat. Those qurantinne signs
around chicken farms are no joke. The animals are almost clonal and it is
only a matter of chance that we don't know about the mass infections that
wipe out an entire shed.

The last public one was the Newcastle disease(?) outbreak in NSW.

So the environment around and "factory farm" is a great place for
developing anti-biotic resistant bugs.
Rod Speed
2020-01-25 01:26:27 UTC
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US crew dead in firefighting plane crash
An air tanker has crashed in a fireball while fighting bushfires in
Australia, killing the three people on board.
Officials lost contact with the C-130 Hercules plane shortly before
13:30 local time (02:30 GMT) on Thursday.
The cause of the crash in the Snowy Mountains in New South Wales (NSW)
state is not yet known. The victims were American residents.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys
Berejiklian have expressed condolences for the firefighters' families.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51217076
Sad, but when are we to see the end of news about Morrison,
Fires, Global warming, and bleached coral. When?
Never, even if ScoMo is actually stupid enough to quit.
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