Discussion:
Bishop enters battle against secular ethics classes
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Seon Ferguson
2011-01-22 20:14:47 UTC
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html

I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
olde.sault
2011-01-22 20:36:59 UTC
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.

Never even knew the word "paedophile"!

Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.

I've gone to a fortune teller once - out of curiosity. Fed her all
sorts of rot and she fell for it!

She posed one good question:, "What happened to your mother's leg?"

A farm accident nearly lost mother her leg. On the other hand, I guess
most people have had some leg trouble at some time or other so it
might have just the standard probe.

There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.

OS
Mike Painter
2011-01-22 21:02:35 UTC
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Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is
child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.
When would that have been? Maybe in the 40's and 50's as I was.

And let me guess you are white and were not aware.

But it's hard to put a time frame on your comment as it has been made for
well over 2000 years by every generation.
Post by olde.sault
Never even knew the word "paedophile"!
But the priests wer active at the time, so were many of the boy scout
leaders.
Nobody talked about it.
Post by olde.sault
Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.
Being a homosexual is only a misforture if you lived in a country that
condemed them out of hand.
Post by olde.sault
There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.
You apparently have shut your mind to what it was like in your youth.
Seon Ferguson
2011-01-22 22:26:28 UTC
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.

Never even knew the word "paedophile"!

Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.

I've gone to a fortune teller once - out of curiosity. Fed her all
sorts of rot and she fell for it!

She posed one good question:, "What happened to your mother's leg?"

A farm accident nearly lost mother her leg. On the other hand, I guess
most people have had some leg trouble at some time or other so it
might have just the standard probe.

There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.

****************************

What communist propaganda? I thought the lesson was one doesn't learn
anything by shutting one's mind to religious propaganda. Since Christianity
teaches Psychics must be put to death. BTW a Psychic got my love of water
right and my upcoming job right.

And the Bible says witches and Psychics should be put to death. Not if they
bleed money out of the "simple" but just for being a witch and a psychic.
Plus you might not think so but the Bible clearly says gay people must be
put to death.

And these are the ethics religious people want us to teach our children.

Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
Michael Gray
2011-01-23 07:56:42 UTC
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Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation
The Who?
--
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Smiler
2011-01-24 02:10:13 UTC
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Post by Michael Gray
Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation
The Who?
Why don't they all f-f-f-f-f-fade away!
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
HD
2011-01-23 10:26:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.
Never even knew the word "paedophile"!
Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.
I've gone to a fortune teller once - out of curiosity. Fed her all
sorts of rot and she fell for it!
She posed one good question:, "What happened to your mother's leg?"
A farm accident nearly lost mother her leg. On the other hand, I guess
most people have had some leg trouble at some time or other so it
might have just the standard probe.
There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.
****************************
What communist propaganda? I thought the lesson was one doesn't learn
anything by shutting one's mind to religious propaganda. Since
Christianity teaches Psychics must be put to death. BTW a Psychic got my
love of water right and my upcoming job right.
And the Bible says witches and Psychics should be put to death. Not if
they bleed money out of the "simple" but just for being a witch and a
psychic. Plus you might not think so but the Bible clearly says gay people
must be put to death.
And these are the ethics religious people want us to teach our children.
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
Michael Gray
2011-01-24 08:55:02 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by Seon Ferguson
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
With the RCC, it is the barrel that is rotten, you criminal
kiddie-rapist enabler and supporter!
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
Doug Jewell
2011-01-25 01:14:31 UTC
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Post by Michael Gray
Post by HD
Post by Seon Ferguson
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
With the RCC, it is the barrel that is rotten, you criminal
kiddie-rapist enabler and supporter!
I don't have the figures at my fingertips, but somewhere
around a year ago I actually researched pedophilia rates
amongst the RC priesthood so that I had the facts, rather
than just sprouting off like you do.

Surprisingly, the fact was that pedophilia within the RC
priesthood was at a much lower rate than within the general
community. If I can be bothered I might try digging up the
references again.

I don't agree with much within the catholic church, they
seem very selective about what parts of the bible they
follow. I also don't want to condone pedophilia - it is a
scourge and those who practice it should be dealt with
harshly. But at the end of the day, the fact is that
pedophilia isn't as bad within the RC church as what the
media etc would have you believe. If RC pedophilia is lower
than the general community then surely that should be held
up as a good thing, not bad.
--
What is the difference between a duck?
Jeanne Douglas
2011-01-25 01:25:46 UTC
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Post by Doug Jewell
Post by Michael Gray
Post by HD
Post by Seon Ferguson
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
With the RCC, it is the barrel that is rotten, you criminal
kiddie-rapist enabler and supporter!
I don't have the figures at my fingertips, but somewhere
around a year ago I actually researched pedophilia rates
amongst the RC priesthood so that I had the facts, rather
than just sprouting off like you do.
Surprisingly, the fact was that pedophilia within the RC
priesthood was at a much lower rate than within the general
community. If I can be bothered I might try digging up the
references again.
I don't agree with much within the catholic church, they
seem very selective about what parts of the bible they
follow. I also don't want to condone pedophilia - it is a
scourge and those who practice it should be dealt with
harshly. But at the end of the day, the fact is that
pedophilia isn't as bad within the RC church as what the
media etc would have you believe. If RC pedophilia is lower
than the general community then surely that should be held
up as a good thing, not bad.
It's not the pedophilia that's the problem (other than it's despicable
for an adult to do that to a child). The problem with the RCC is the
decades of covering up that pedophilia--not reporting it to the
authorities, moving the offenders from parish to parish so they could
rape again, all that lovely ass-covering.

JD
Apostate
2011-01-25 02:04:21 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:14:31 +1000, Doug Jewell
Post by Doug Jewell
Post by Michael Gray
Post by HD
Post by Seon Ferguson
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
With the RCC, it is the barrel that is rotten, you criminal
kiddie-rapist enabler and supporter!
I don't have the figures at my fingertips, but somewhere
around a year ago I actually researched pedophilia rates
amongst the RC priesthood so that I had the facts, rather
than just sprouting off like you do.
Surprisingly, the fact was that pedophilia within the RC
priesthood was at a much lower rate than within the general
community. If I can be bothered I might try digging up the
references again.
I don't agree with much within the catholic church, they
seem very selective about what parts of the bible they
follow. I also don't want to condone pedophilia - it is a
scourge and those who practice it should be dealt with
harshly. But at the end of the day, the fact is that
pedophilia isn't as bad within the RC church as what the
media etc would have you believe.
Once more, with clarity: the bill of particulars against the RCC is
not chiefly about how prevalent kiddy-diddling priests are or were,
but how stubbornly the suits dealt with discovered cases by moving the
perp to a congregation where his misconduct wasn't known, enabling
further crimes, and as recently trumpeted secret communications tend
to show, trying to uphold an ancient prerogative to dispense private
justice (dealing with "sin" rather than crime,) hiding the matter from
civil authorities. In that context, relative frequency compared to
the general population is a non sequitur and irrelevant.
Post by Doug Jewell
If RC pedophilia is lower
than the general community then surely that should be held
up as a good thing, not bad.
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Michael Gray
2011-01-25 08:45:42 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:14:31 +1000, Doug Jewell
Post by Doug Jewell
Post by Michael Gray
Post by HD
Post by Seon Ferguson
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
With the RCC, it is the barrel that is rotten, you criminal
kiddie-rapist enabler and supporter!
I don't have the figures at my fingertips, but somewhere
around a year ago I actually researched pedophilia rates
amongst the RC priesthood so that I had the facts, rather
than just sprouting off like you do.
Surprisingly, the fact was that pedophilia within the RC
priesthood was at a much lower rate than within the general
community. If I can be bothered I might try digging up the
references again.
Bullshit.
You cannot find them because they simply DON'T exist!
Post by Doug Jewell
I don't agree with much within the catholic church, they
seem very selective about what parts of the bible they
follow. I also don't want to condone pedophilia - it is a
scourge and those who practice it should be dealt with
harshly. But at the end of the day, the fact is that
pedophilia isn't as bad within the RC church as what the
media etc would have you believe.
Garbage.
Even the Pope admits as much.
Post by Doug Jewell
If RC pedophilia is lower
than the general community then surely that should be held
up as a good thing, not bad.
But it is NOT lower!
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
John Baker
2011-01-24 20:49:10 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.
Never even knew the word "paedophile"!
Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.
I've gone to a fortune teller once - out of curiosity. Fed her all
sorts of rot and she fell for it!
She posed one good question:, "What happened to your mother's leg?"
A farm accident nearly lost mother her leg. On the other hand, I guess
most people have had some leg trouble at some time or other so it
might have just the standard probe.
There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.
****************************
What communist propaganda? I thought the lesson was one doesn't learn
anything by shutting one's mind to religious propaganda. Since
Christianity teaches Psychics must be put to death. BTW a Psychic got my
love of water right and my upcoming job right.
And the Bible says witches and Psychics should be put to death. Not if
they bleed money out of the "simple" but just for being a witch and a
psychic. Plus you might not think so but the Bible clearly says gay people
must be put to death.
And these are the ethics religious people want us to teach our children.
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
No, I condemn the Church because it glorifies ignorance and preaches
superstition as fact.
HD
2011-01-24 21:16:30 UTC
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Post by John Baker
Post by HD
Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.
Never even knew the word "paedophile"!
Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.
I've gone to a fortune teller once - out of curiosity. Fed her all
sorts of rot and she fell for it!
She posed one good question:, "What happened to your mother's leg?"
A farm accident nearly lost mother her leg. On the other hand, I guess
most people have had some leg trouble at some time or other so it
might have just the standard probe.
There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.
****************************
What communist propaganda? I thought the lesson was one doesn't learn
anything by shutting one's mind to religious propaganda. Since
Christianity teaches Psychics must be put to death. BTW a Psychic got my
love of water right and my upcoming job right.
And the Bible says witches and Psychics should be put to death. Not if
they bleed money out of the "simple" but just for being a witch and a
psychic. Plus you might not think so but the Bible clearly says gay people
must be put to death.
And these are the ethics religious people want us to teach our children.
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
No, I condemn the Church because it glorifies ignorance and preaches
superstition as fact.
That is what you do,
Smiler
2011-01-25 04:08:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.
Never even knew the word "paedophile"!
Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.
I've gone to a fortune teller once - out of curiosity. Fed her all
sorts of rot and she fell for it!
She posed one good question:, "What happened to your mother's leg?"
A farm accident nearly lost mother her leg. On the other hand, I guess
most people have had some leg trouble at some time or other so it
might have just the standard probe.
There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.
****************************
What communist propaganda? I thought the lesson was one doesn't learn
anything by shutting one's mind to religious propaganda. Since
Christianity teaches Psychics must be put to death. BTW a Psychic got my
love of water right and my upcoming job right.
And the Bible says witches and Psychics should be put to death. Not if
they bleed money out of the "simple" but just for being a witch and a
psychic. Plus you might not think so but the Bible clearly says gay people
must be put to death.
And these are the ethics religious people want us to teach our children.
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
No, I condemn the Church because it glorifies ignorance and preaches
superstition as fact.
That is what you do,
Yep. He told you he condemns the church. Any more 'brilliant'
observations, Sherlock?
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
HD
2011-01-25 06:19:11 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.
Never even knew the word "paedophile"!
Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.
I've gone to a fortune teller once - out of curiosity. Fed her all
sorts of rot and she fell for it!
She posed one good question:, "What happened to your mother's leg?"
A farm accident nearly lost mother her leg. On the other hand, I guess
most people have had some leg trouble at some time or other so it
might have just the standard probe.
There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.
****************************
What communist propaganda? I thought the lesson was one doesn't learn
anything by shutting one's mind to religious propaganda. Since
Christianity teaches Psychics must be put to death. BTW a Psychic got my
love of water right and my upcoming job right.
And the Bible says witches and Psychics should be put to death. Not if
they bleed money out of the "simple" but just for being a witch and a
psychic. Plus you might not think so but the Bible clearly says gay people
must be put to death.
And these are the ethics religious people want us to teach our children.
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
No, I condemn the Church because it glorifies ignorance and preaches
superstition as fact.
That is what you do,
Yep. He told you he condemns the church. Any more 'brilliant'
observations, Sherlock?
--
Smiler,
Don't try to be a smart arse. What you do is gloryfying ignorance.
Smiler
2011-01-26 01:08:27 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
Post by olde.sault
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
I was brought up on religious ethics - as had most of my generation -
and we seemed to have had less obscenity and crime in my youth.
Never even knew the word "paedophile"!
Homosexuality is a misfortune, not a sin, as for witches and psychics,
they're only persecuted when they bleed money out of the simple.
I've gone to a fortune teller once - out of curiosity. Fed her all
sorts of rot and she fell for it!
She posed one good question:, "What happened to your mother's leg?"
A farm accident nearly lost mother her leg. On the other hand, I guess
most people have had some leg trouble at some time or other so it
might have just the standard probe.
There is a lesson in all this. One doesn't learn anything by shutting
one's mind to everything except communistic propaganda.
****************************
What communist propaganda? I thought the lesson was one doesn't learn
anything by shutting one's mind to religious propaganda. Since
Christianity teaches Psychics must be put to death. BTW a Psychic got my
love of water right and my upcoming job right.
And the Bible says witches and Psychics should be put to death. Not if
they bleed money out of the "simple" but just for being a witch and a
psychic. Plus you might not think so but the Bible clearly says gay people
must be put to death.
And these are the ethics religious people want us to teach our children.
Also you might not have heard of the phrase pedophile but the Catholic
church was covering up pedophilia long before it came into the public eye.
You condemn the Church because of Paedophile Priests.
Do you have stopped eating apples because some are rotten?
No, I condemn the Church because it glorifies ignorance and preaches
superstition as fact.
That is what you do,
Yep. He told you he condemns the church. Any more 'brilliant'
observations, Sherlock?
Don't try to be a smart arse. What you do is gloryfying ignorance.
Nope. I leave that to you theists.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Ben Kaufman
2011-01-23 05:02:35 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
Here's the ethics:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/09/ap-future-pope-stalled-pedophile-case/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=12636546
Seon Ferguson
2011-01-23 05:03:44 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/09/ap-future-pope-stalled-pedophile-case/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=12636546
You mean, "Ethics"
HD
2011-01-23 10:28:32 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
bringyagrogalong
2011-01-23 10:55:04 UTC
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Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.

=====

“You wouldn't trust this mob with a jam jar full of five cent bits”
- Paul Keating on the current Opposition
HD
2011-01-23 11:56:31 UTC
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Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.

=====

And where does ethics come from?
Maybe the 10 commandments?
Now you teach your children to be truthful
What do you tell them if they ask why?
What do you use as an argument when thy tell you that lying people are
successful?
What is the basis of your ethics?








“You wouldn't trust this mob with a jam jar full of five cent bits”
- Paul Keating on the current Opposition
Seon
2011-01-24 05:33:38 UTC
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Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.

=====
Post by HD
And where does ethics come from?
Not the Bible.

Exodus 29:17

"Whoever strikes his father or his mother must surely be put to death.
18 "You must not allow a sorceress to live.
19 "Whoever has sexual relations with a beast must surely be put to
death.
20 "Whoever sacrifices to a god other than the LORD alone must be utterly
destroyed.
15 Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of
complete rest, holy to the LORD; anyone who does work on the Sabbath day
must surely be put to death.

Leviticus20-9

"'If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He has
cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself.
10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the adulterer
and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father's wife, he has exposed
his father's nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their blood guilt
is on themselves.
12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them
must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood guilt is
on themselves.
13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual
intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination.
They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.
14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it
is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no
lewdness in your midst.
15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it,
you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
17 "'If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the
daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness and she
sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in the sight of
the children of their people. He has exposed his sister's nakedness; he will
bear his punishment for iniquity.
18 If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and uncovers
her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she has exposed
the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off from the midst of
their people.
19 You must not expose the nakedness of your mother's sister and your
father's sister, for such a person has laid bare his own close relative.
They must bear their punishment for iniquity.
20 If a man has sexual intercourse with his aunt, he has exposed his
uncle's nakedness; they must bear responsibility for their sin, they will
die childless.
21 If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is
indecency. He has exposed his brother's nakedness; they will be childless.

27 "'A man or woman who has in them a spirit of the dead or a familiar
spirit must be put to death. They must pelt them with stones; their blood
guilt is on themselves.'"
HD
2011-01-24 05:58:57 UTC
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Post by bringyagrogalong
Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.
=====
Post by HD
And where does ethics come from?
Not the Bible.
Exodus 29:17
"Whoever strikes his father or his mother must surely be put to death.
18 "You must not allow a sorceress to live.
19 "Whoever has sexual relations with a beast must surely be put to
death.
20 "Whoever sacrifices to a god other than the LORD alone must be
utterly destroyed.
15 Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of
complete rest, holy to the LORD; anyone who does work on the Sabbath day
must surely be put to death.
Leviticus20-9
"'If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He
has cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself.
10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the
adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father's wife, he has
exposed his father's nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their
blood guilt is on themselves.
12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual
intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination.
They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.
14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it
is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no
lewdness in your midst.
15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it,
you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
17 "'If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the
daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness and
she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in the
sight of the children of their people. He has exposed his sister's
nakedness; he will bear his punishment for iniquity.
18 If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and
uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she has
exposed the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off from
the midst of their people.
19 You must not expose the nakedness of your mother's sister and your
father's sister, for such a person has laid bare his own close relative.
They must bear their punishment for iniquity.
20 If a man has sexual intercourse with his aunt, he has exposed his
uncle's nakedness; they must bear responsibility for their sin, they will
die childless.
21 If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is
indecency. He has exposed his brother's nakedness; they will be childless.
27 "'A man or woman who has in them a spirit of the dead or a familiar
spirit must be put to death. They must pelt them with stones; their blood
guilt is on themselves.'"
Very strong laws for a time when man was still a halfe wild brute.
It was needed at the time. Now no one is putting an ox on the barbecue to
make a burnt offering. Picking bits and pieces out of the bible is not
telling you the truth.
Seon
2011-01-24 06:30:19 UTC
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Post by bringyagrogalong
Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.
=====
Post by HD
And where does ethics come from?
Not the Bible.
Exodus 29:17
"Whoever strikes his father or his mother must surely be put to death.
18 "You must not allow a sorceress to live.
19 "Whoever has sexual relations with a beast must surely be put to
death.
20 "Whoever sacrifices to a god other than the LORD alone must be
utterly destroyed.
15 Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of
complete rest, holy to the LORD; anyone who does work on the Sabbath day
must surely be put to death.
Leviticus20-9
"'If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He
has cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself.
10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the
adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father's wife, he has
exposed his father's nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their
blood guilt is on themselves.
12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual
intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination.
They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.
14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it
is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no
lewdness in your midst.
15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it,
you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
17 "'If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the
daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness and
she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in the
sight of the children of their people. He has exposed his sister's
nakedness; he will bear his punishment for iniquity.
18 If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and
uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she has
exposed the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off from
the midst of their people.
19 You must not expose the nakedness of your mother's sister and your
father's sister, for such a person has laid bare his own close relative.
They must bear their punishment for iniquity.
20 If a man has sexual intercourse with his aunt, he has exposed his
uncle's nakedness; they must bear responsibility for their sin, they will
die childless.
21 If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is
indecency. He has exposed his brother's nakedness; they will be childless.
27 "'A man or woman who has in them a spirit of the dead or a familiar
spirit must be put to death. They must pelt them with stones; their blood
guilt is on themselves.'"
Very strong laws for a time when man was still a halfe wild brute.
It was needed at the time. Now no one is putting an ox on the barbecue to
make a burnt offering. Picking bits and pieces out of the bible is not
telling you the truth.

********************

Thankfully now salvation doesn't result in following those barbaric laws.
But think how many Christians used OT law as an excuse to burn people alive
in the dark ages when they didn't need to follow those laws anymore.
Dakota
2011-01-24 08:17:24 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by bringyagrogalong
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
Post by Seon Ferguson
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it >
disgusting
Post by Seon Ferguson
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents
let > them.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful,
thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.
=====
And where does ethics come from?
Not the Bible.
Exodus 29:17
"Whoever strikes his father or his mother must surely be put to death.
18 "You must not allow a sorceress to live.
19 "Whoever has sexual relations with a beast must surely be put to
death.
20 "Whoever sacrifices to a god other than the LORD alone must be
utterly destroyed.
15 Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of
complete rest, holy to the LORD; anyone who does work on the Sabbath
day must surely be put to death.
Leviticus20-9
"'If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He
has cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself.
10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the
adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father's wife, he has
exposed his father's nakedness. Both of them must be put to death;
their blood guilt is on themselves.
12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual
intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an
abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on
themselves.
14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother,
it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is
no lewdness in your midst.
15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with
it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death;
their blood guilt is on themselves.
17 "'If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the
daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness
and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in
the sight of the children of their people. He has exposed his sister's
nakedness; he will bear his punishment for iniquity.
18 If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and
uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she
has exposed the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off
from the midst of their people.
19 You must not expose the nakedness of your mother's sister and your
father's sister, for such a person has laid bare his own close
relative. They must bear their punishment for iniquity.
20 If a man has sexual intercourse with his aunt, he has exposed his
uncle's nakedness; they must bear responsibility for their sin, they
will die childless.
21 If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is
indecency. He has exposed his brother's nakedness; they will be childless.
Unless his brother is dead. Then he must have intercourse with the
widow. If he doesn't, he loses a shoe and the widow spits in his face.
Wow! Talk about ethics!

Deuteronomy 25:5-9 JKV

5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child,
the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her
husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and
perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

6And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed
in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out
of Israel.

7And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his
brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's
brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will
not perform the duty of my husband's brother.

8Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and
if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;

9Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the
elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and
shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not
build up his brother's house.
Post by HD
Post by bringyagrogalong
27 "'A man or woman who has in them a spirit of the dead or a familiar
spirit must be put to death. They must pelt them with stones; their
blood guilt is on themselves.'"
Very strong laws for a time when man was still a halfe wild brute.
It was needed at the time. Now no one is putting an ox on the barbecue
to make a burnt offering. Picking bits and pieces out of the bible is
not telling you the truth.
The Bible is not timeless truth then. Okay, HD. Can I count on you to
correct the theists who use Leviticus to bash gays?
HD
2011-01-24 13:17:04 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by bringyagrogalong
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
Post by Seon Ferguson
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it >
disgusting
Post by Seon Ferguson
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents
let > them.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.
=====
And where does ethics come from?
Not the Bible.
Exodus 29:17
"Whoever strikes his father or his mother must surely be put to death.
18 "You must not allow a sorceress to live.
19 "Whoever has sexual relations with a beast must surely be put to
death.
20 "Whoever sacrifices to a god other than the LORD alone must be
utterly destroyed.
15 Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of
complete rest, holy to the LORD; anyone who does work on the Sabbath
day must surely be put to death.
Leviticus20-9
"'If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He
has cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself.
10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the
adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father's wife, he has
exposed his father's nakedness. Both of them must be put to death;
their blood guilt is on themselves.
12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual
intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an
abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on
themselves.
14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother,
it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is
no lewdness in your midst.
15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with
it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death;
their blood guilt is on themselves.
17 "'If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the
daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness
and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in
the sight of the children of their people. He has exposed his sister's
nakedness; he will bear his punishment for iniquity.
18 If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and
uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she
has exposed the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off
from the midst of their people.
19 You must not expose the nakedness of your mother's sister and your
father's sister, for such a person has laid bare his own close
relative. They must bear their punishment for iniquity.
20 If a man has sexual intercourse with his aunt, he has exposed his
uncle's nakedness; they must bear responsibility for their sin, they
will die childless.
21 If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is
indecency. He has exposed his brother's nakedness; they will be childless.
Unless his brother is dead. Then he must have intercourse with the widow.
If he doesn't, he loses a shoe and the widow spits in his face. Wow! Talk
about ethics!
Deuteronomy 25:5-9 JKV
5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the
wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's
brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the
duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in
the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of
Israel.
7And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his
brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's
brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will
not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
8Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if
he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
9Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the
elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and
shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not
build up his brother's house.
Post by HD
Post by bringyagrogalong
27 "'A man or woman who has in them a spirit of the dead or a familiar
spirit must be put to death. They must pelt them with stones; their
blood guilt is on themselves.'"
Very strong laws for a time when man was still a halfe wild brute.
It was needed at the time. Now no one is putting an ox on the barbecue
to make a burnt offering. Picking bits and pieces out of the bible is
not telling you the truth.
The Bible is not timeless truth then. Okay, HD. Can I count on you to
correct the theists who use Leviticus to bash gays?
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
Gordon Levi
2011-01-24 15:09:36 UTC
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Post by HD
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
Where?
bringyagrogalong
2011-01-25 00:13:35 UTC
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Post by Gordon Levi
Post by HD
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
Where?
It doesn't. Neither does the Old Testament.

In fact, God thought homosexuality so trivial that He didn't even
bother raising a commandment against it.

Coveting a neighbour's belongings on the other hand was far more
worthy of one.

--------

"Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just God when he's
drunk".
 --Tom Waits, from the song "Heart Attack and Vine".
HD
2011-01-25 06:45:28 UTC
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Post by Gordon Levi
Post by HD
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
Where?
Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for
even their women did change the natural use into that which is against
nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is
unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error
which was meet."
Dakota
2011-01-24 18:31:53 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by Dakota
Post by HD
Post by bringyagrogalong
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
Post by Seon Ferguson
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it >
disgusting
Post by Seon Ferguson
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents
let > them.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.
=====
And where does ethics come from?
Not the Bible.
Exodus 29:17
"Whoever strikes his father or his mother must surely be put to death.
18 "You must not allow a sorceress to live.
19 "Whoever has sexual relations with a beast must surely be put to
death.
20 "Whoever sacrifices to a god other than the LORD alone must be
utterly destroyed.
15 Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of
complete rest, holy to the LORD; anyone who does work on the Sabbath
day must surely be put to death.
Leviticus20-9
"'If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He
has cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself.
10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the
adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father's wife, he has
exposed his father's nakedness. Both of them must be put to death;
their blood guilt is on themselves.
12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual
intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an
abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on
themselves.
14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother,
it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is
no lewdness in your midst.
15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with
it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death;
their blood guilt is on themselves.
17 "'If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the
daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness
and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in
the sight of the children of their people. He has exposed his sister's
nakedness; he will bear his punishment for iniquity.
18 If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and
uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she
has exposed the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off
from the midst of their people.
19 You must not expose the nakedness of your mother's sister and your
father's sister, for such a person has laid bare his own close
relative. They must bear their punishment for iniquity.
20 If a man has sexual intercourse with his aunt, he has exposed his
uncle's nakedness; they must bear responsibility for their sin, they
will die childless.
21 If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is
indecency. He has exposed his brother's nakedness; they will be childless.
Unless his brother is dead. Then he must have intercourse with the
widow. If he doesn't, he loses a shoe and the widow spits in his face.
Wow! Talk about ethics!
Deuteronomy 25:5-9 JKV
5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child,
the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her
husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife,
and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed
in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out
of Israel.
7And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his
brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My
husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in
Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
8Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and
if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
9Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the
elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face,
and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will
not build up his brother's house.
Post by HD
Post by bringyagrogalong
27 "'A man or woman who has in them a spirit of the dead or a familiar
spirit must be put to death. They must pelt them with stones; their
blood guilt is on themselves.'"
Very strong laws for a time when man was still a halfe wild brute.
It was needed at the time. Now no one is putting an ox on the barbecue
to make a burnt offering. Picking bits and pieces out of the bible is
not telling you the truth.
The Bible is not timeless truth then. Okay, HD. Can I count on you to
correct the theists who use Leviticus to bash gays?
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
You claimed that the laws in Leviticus were written for ancient savages.
I asked if you would point that out the next time it was used to justify
bashing gays. You answered an unasked question.
John Baker
2011-01-24 20:58:36 UTC
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Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
HD
2011-01-25 06:47:08 UTC
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Post by John Baker
Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
How do you know?
Divine inspiration?
Smiler
2011-01-26 01:14:38 UTC
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Post by John Baker
Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
How do you know?
Unlike you, we do it by carefully reading the words that are there,
and ONLY the words that are there.
Post by HD
Divine inspiration?
First show evidence that there is such a thing as the divine.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
HD
2011-01-26 01:30:36 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
How do you know?
Unlike you, we do it by carefully reading the words that are there,
and ONLY the words that are there.
Post by HD
Divine inspiration?
First show evidence that there is such a thing as the divine.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
You are the odd one out, You need to present evidence not us.
Post by Smiler
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Apostate
2011-01-26 04:33:15 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
How do you know?
Unlike you, we do it by carefully reading the words that are there,
and ONLY the words that are there.
Post by HD
Divine inspiration?
First show evidence that there is such a thing as the divine.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
You are the odd one out, You need to present evidence not us.
Ad populam fallacy.
It isn't a democratic undertaking, separating myth from truth.
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Smiler
2011-01-27 02:35:39 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
How do you know?
Unlike you, we do it by carefully reading the words that are there,
and ONLY the words that are there.
Post by HD
Divine inspiration?
First show evidence that there is such a thing as the divine.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
You are the odd one out, You need to present evidence not us.
A billion people believing a lie doesn't make it true.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
HD
2011-01-27 04:05:37 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
How do you know?
Unlike you, we do it by carefully reading the words that are there,
and ONLY the words that are there.
Post by HD
Divine inspiration?
First show evidence that there is such a thing as the divine.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
You are the odd one out, You need to present evidence not us.
A billion people believing a lie doesn't make it true.
There will never be a billion atheists.
Post by Smiler
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Ben Kaufman
2011-01-27 04:44:17 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
How do you know?
Unlike you, we do it by carefully reading the words that are there,
and ONLY the words that are there.
Post by HD
Divine inspiration?
First show evidence that there is such a thing as the divine.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
You are the odd one out, You need to present evidence not us.
A billion people believing a lie doesn't make it true.
There will never be a billion atheists.
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.1 billion

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Clearly, they are not all atheists but it makes your "never" seem weak.

And why does there have to be a billion atheists? There are only 14 million
Jews and their incredibly disproportionate winning of Nobel Prizes, for example,
show it is quality of thinking, not quantity that counts.

Ben
HD
2011-01-27 05:33:45 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by Smiler
Post by HD
Post by John Baker
Post by HD
I don't know. You have to ask them.
The truth is in the New Testament which condemns homosexuality.
The truth is that *all* religious texts are a load of superstitious
nonsense.
How do you know?
Unlike you, we do it by carefully reading the words that are there,
and ONLY the words that are there.
Post by HD
Divine inspiration?
First show evidence that there is such a thing as the divine.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
You are the odd one out, You need to present evidence not us.
A billion people believing a lie doesn't make it true.
There will never be a billion atheists.
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.1 billion
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Clearly, they are not all atheists but it makes your "never" seem weak.
And why does there have to be a billion atheists? There are only 14 million
Jews and their incredibly disproportionate winning of Nobel Prizes, for example,
show it is quality of thinking, not quantity that counts.
Ben
Yep, the smartests atre theists.
JohnN
2011-01-24 22:06:19 UTC
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Post by bringyagrogalong
Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.
=====
Post by HD
And where does ethics come from?
Not the Bible.
Exodus 29:17
"Whoever strikes his father or his mother must surely be put to death.
18    "You must not allow a sorceress to live.
19    "Whoever has sexual relations with a beast must surely be put to
death.
20    "Whoever sacrifices to a god other than the LORD alone must be
utterly destroyed.
15    Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of
complete rest, holy to the LORD; anyone who does work on the Sabbath day
must surely be put to death.
Leviticus20-9
   "'If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He
has cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself.
10    If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the
adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11    If a man has sexual intercourse with his father's wife, he has
exposed his father's nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their
blood guilt is on themselves.
12    If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
13    If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual
intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination.
They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.
14    If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it
is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no
lewdness in your midst.
15    If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
16    If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it,
you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood
guilt is on themselves.
17    "'If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the
daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness and
she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in the
sight of the children of their people. He has exposed his sister's
nakedness; he will bear his punishment for iniquity.
18    If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and
uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she has
exposed the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off from
the midst of their people.
19    You must not expose the nakedness of your mother's sister and your
father's sister, for such a person has laid bare his own close relative.
They must bear their punishment for iniquity.
20    If a man has sexual intercourse with his aunt, he has exposed his
uncle's nakedness; they must bear responsibility for their sin, they will
die childless.
21    If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is
indecency. He has exposed his brother's nakedness; they will be childless.
27    "'A man or woman who has in them a spirit of the dead or a familiar
spirit must be put to death. They must pelt them with stones; their blood
guilt is on themselves.'"
Very strong laws for a time when man was still a halfe wild brute.
It was needed at the time. Now no one is putting an ox on the barbecue to
make a burnt offering. Picking bits and pieces out of the bible is not
telling you the truth.- Hide quoted text -
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Citing just the Ten Commandments from the Bible is also cherry picking
and not telling the truth.

JohnN
Gordon Levi
2011-01-24 15:09:17 UTC
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Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.
=====
And where does ethics come from?
Maybe the 10 commandments?
I don't think so. Only two of them are universally accepted and
commonly regarded as illegal. A couple more are generally regarded as
"moral". Most of them merely try reinforce the religion or prohibit
perfectly normal things. Depending on their age, do you really teach
your children not to covet their neighbours wife or their Playstation
3?
Post by bringyagrogalong
Now you teach your children to be truthful
What do you tell them if they ask why?
What do you use as an argument when thy tell you that lying people are
successful?
You teach them to be truthful because it gives _you_ control. At the
same time you teach them to be tactful and not to tell Uncle George
that he is a boring old git.
Post by bringyagrogalong
What is the basis of your ethics?
Natural selection. We have evolved a society that depends on
cooperation and, in the most advanced countries, our ethics are based
on encouraging that. In more primitive societies they are based on
various versions of "Old Testament" values but that is usually because
of a desire by the elite to control the population rather than ethical
considerations.
JohnN
2011-01-24 22:03:40 UTC
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Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics, as opposed to religion which has no place in
schools.
=====
And where does ethics come from?
Maybe the 10 commandments?
Now you teach your children to be truthful
What do you tell them if they ask why?
What do you use as an argument when thy tell you that lying people are
successful?
What is the basis of your ethics?
“You wouldn't trust this mob with a jam jar full of five cent bits”
- Paul Keating on the current Opposition
How much ethics can one teach from a book about a god that slaughtered
whole cities including women and children? How much ethics from a book
about a god that killed his own followers when they changed religions,
you know, used their free will?

JohnN
fasgnadh
2011-01-25 01:27:13 UTC
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Post by bringyagrogalong
Post by HD
if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful,
thruthful etc, it is child abuse?
No! That would be ethics,
But that's what religion taught, and ethics developed from.
Post by JohnN
Post by bringyagrogalong
=====
And where does ethics come from?
Maybe the 10 commandments?
Now you teach your children to be truthful
What do you tell them if they ask why?
What do you use as an argument when thy tell you that lying people are
successful?
What is the basis of your ethics?
How much ethics can one teach from a book about a god that slaughtered
whole cities including women and children?
Well that's not what the book is about.

It's about building co-operative communities. THEY achieved
that, their civilisation lasted. Atheists never managed to
create, one, only a handful of failed regimes which
killed over 70,000,000 people, and that was in the
'modern'(sic) era! 8^o

Now, the people they lived among worshippd Baal and Moloch,
and thos idols, as modern archeology shows, had human sacrifices,
while the Israelites offered up animals. i.e. they were the
progressives, among some fearful tribes.

What did the USA and Europe do when faced with Nazism, and Fascism
in WWII, bombed Berlin and Dresden, nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Perhaps the theat justified it.
Post by JohnN
How much ethics from a book about a god that killed his own
followers when they changed religions,
If they became child killing Baal worshippers I would join the
fight against them.
Post by JohnN
you know, used their free will?
The choice to become a guard at Auschwitz is not a valid one.

Let God deal with them as She chooses would be my view,
afterall She is posessed with Divine Judgement and Divine Mercy.
Post by JohnN
JohnN
Don't you think it's time you started taking an INFORMED
BALANCED view, rather than just picking the Jewish history
bits out of the O.T. and out of historical context and ignoring
5,000 years of Judeao/Christian/Islamic Civilisation.

You are criticising the WINNERS, the Baal and Moloch worshippers
they destroyed were the savage equivalent in their time of the
Romans, conquered by the followers of Gentle Jesus, and
the atheist regimes of the 20th century, also defeated and
now populated by people exercising their free will and returning to
religion IN THEIR MILLIONS... for they have experienced atheist
regimes in all their horror.



BTW I supoport the teaching of ethics classes, in preference
to R.I. and as well as multifaith R.E.

And so do most parents.

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2011-01-24 05:31:44 UTC
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
HD
2011-01-24 06:13:32 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?



Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
Post by Seon Ferguson
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across

I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
Seon
2011-01-24 06:29:06 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Thanks to
http://bible.org/question/how-should-new-testament-believers-relate-ot-law I
realize now since Jesus died for us we don't have to follow the law. I mean
we won't get saved following the law and if we believe in Jesus we won't be
condemned for not killing gay people, witches or psychics. In fact that
would be murder. God warned the Israelites against those people because I
guess those practices would lead them away from God.

Also I find it disgusting
Post by HD
Post by Seon Ferguson
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across

I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.

***************************
What about explaining the consequences? If you take drugs, you will
eventually die of a drug overdose and you will waste all your money on drugs
when you could spend it on things you want. If you get pregnant that's your
life over, no more partying or going out with boys. You'll have to spend
every night at home taking care of your baby.
Jeanne Douglas
2011-01-24 07:36:01 UTC
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Post by Seon
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secul
ar-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
Post by Seon Ferguson
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
Of course you don't. What a nonsensical idea.
Post by HD
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
Gawd, who told you to believe this drivel. It's appalling.

Because we know that this is the only life we have, that there are no
second chances, we know that we need to make the best of it, and that
includes only a moderate amount of hedonism, with the majority of our
time living the best lives we can, for both ourselves and the people we
love. People that treat other people like shit are miserable douchebags,
so the rational person doesn't behave like that and we're happier for
it, as are those around us.
--
JD

"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."
livvy
2011-01-25 06:30:32 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by HD
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
ar-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
Of course you don't. What a nonsensical idea.
Post by HD
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
Gawd, who told you to believe this drivel. It's appalling.
Because we know that this is the only life we have, that there are no
second chances, we know that we need to make the best of it, and that
includes only a moderate amount of hedonism, with the majority of our
time living the best lives we can, for both ourselves and the people we
love. People that treat other people like shit are miserable douchebags,
so the rational person doesn't behave like that and we're happier for
it, as are those around us.
--
JD
"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."- Hide quoted text -
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perhaps it's time to have a visit with a professional. A
Psychiatrist. You got issues, as most here. But you are striving
to make your issues everyone elses. They are not the same. You are
living your life in total despair mode, I don't give a crap if you are
an atheist or theist. You are not doing well. Get some help.
Everything isn't only one thing. I wish you well.... All can always
shift gears into "look at me", what I've gone through, poor, poor
pitiful me. Who can't do that? I can, everyone can...it's
called life. Just like it's supposed to be. It's given to you;
the source matter may be in disagreement. However, take good
care of what you do have, be well, be strong. Giddyup..... hope
you have a long, good ride. Don't let the bastards get you
down.....be well.
Michael Gray
2011-01-25 08:47:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by livvy
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by HD
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
ar-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
Of course you don't. What a nonsensical idea.
Post by HD
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
Gawd, who told you to believe this drivel. It's appalling.
Because we know that this is the only life we have, that there are no
second chances, we know that we need to make the best of it, and that
includes only a moderate amount of hedonism, with the majority of our
time living the best lives we can, for both ourselves and the people we
love. People that treat other people like shit are miserable douchebags,
so the rational person doesn't behave like that and we're happier for
it, as are those around us.
--
JD
"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
perhaps it's time to have a visit with a professional. A
Psychiatrist.
Whao!!!
You just exploded several billion military strength Irony-Meters!!!!
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
Les Hellawell
2011-01-25 13:39:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by livvy
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by HD
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
ar-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
Of course you don't. What a nonsensical idea.
Post by HD
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
Gawd, who told you to believe this drivel. It's appalling.
Because we know that this is the only life we have, that there are no
second chances, we know that we need to make the best of it, and that
includes only a moderate amount of hedonism, with the majority of our
time living the best lives we can, for both ourselves and the people we
love. People that treat other people like shit are miserable douchebags,
so the rational person doesn't behave like that and we're happier for
it, as are those around us.
Very well written. With all the weak minded little people running
amock in our community here, like out of control hooligans, something
needed saying. There is a sickness in our world that they so ably
represent
Post by livvy
Post by Jeanne Douglas
--
JD
"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
perhaps it's time to have a visit with a professional. A
Psychiatrist. You got issues, as most here. But you are striving
to make your issues everyone elses. They are not the same. You are
living your life in total despair mode, I don't give a crap if you are
an atheist or theist. You are not doing well. Get some help.
Everything isn't only one thing. I wish you well.... All can always
shift gears into "look at me", what I've gone through, poor, poor
pitiful me. Who can't do that? I can, everyone can...it's
called life. Just like it's supposed to be. It's given to you;
the source matter may be in disagreement. However, take good
care of what you do have, be well, be strong. Giddyup..... hope
you have a long, good ride. Don't let the bastards get you
down.....be well.
What contribution did you make to human happiness today?

Not here for sure. I have yet to see you write anything positive,
you are always carping, negative, eager to knock others down.

What a contrast to the above paragraph you make. Jeanne is
positive and shows a clear purpose to her life and and an
understanding of it. She rightly indicated that the sad miserable
little people we see here should be pitied and not heeded.

My suggestion to you is not a shrink but a walk in the
country, smell the flowers in the hedgerows, see the crops
growing, listen to the soaring skylark enjoy the smells
sounds and colours of the country and consider you life
and what you have achieved. For example, what did you
contribute to human happiness today?

Did you bring good cheer anywhere, as you brought none
here only misery for yourself.

Here, let this cheer you as you certainly need it:

Bring me Sunshine, in your smile,
Bring me Laughter, all the while,
In this world where we live, there should be more happiness,
So much joy you can give, to each brand new bright tomorrow,

Make me happy, through the years,
Never bring me, any tears,
Let your arms be as warm as the sun from up above,
Bring me fun, bring me sunshine, bring me love.

Bring me Sunshine, in your eyes,
Bring me rainbows, from the skies,
Life's too short to be spent having anything but fun,
We can be so content, if we gather little sunbeams,

Be light-hearted, all day long,
Keep me singing, happy songs,
Let your arms be as warm as the sun from up above,
Bring me fun, bring me sunshine, bring me love.

- Sylvia De

Sung by two great men that did just what they sang
Eric Morecambe and Ernie Wise.

Be happy - it works



Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
Yorkshire -The White Rose County
Dakota
2011-01-24 08:21:39 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by Seon
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
Post by Seon Ferguson
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful,
thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One
day we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no
good telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
So you admit that fairy tales are the source of your absolutes. Okay.
Apostate
2011-01-24 18:30:44 UTC
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Post by HD
Post by Seon
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
Post by Seon Ferguson
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
This is why Christians can't be trusted to behave morally.
They merely follow orders rigidly and unquestioningly.
--
Apostate alt.atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer freelance Minion #'e'
EAC Deputy Director in Charge of Getting Paid,
Department of Redundancy Department

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure
and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell

"Mr. Worf, set phasers on "Fuck You" and fire at will."
-- Doc Smartass

"Nature has a dark sense of humor, but life is certainly
one of the things it laughs at."
-- Rinaldo of Capadoccia


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JohnN
2011-01-24 22:20:27 UTC
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Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Sarah Palin's Christian preacher in Alaska was a witch hunter in
Africa. http://newsblaze.com/story/20080920114557reye.nb/topstory.html

Christian legislators in Uganda and Kenya want to make being gay a
capital offence. They have the backing of American evangelical
Christians. And there is fatal gay bashing in the USA.

JohnN
Buddythunder
2011-01-25 00:46:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by HD
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
Perhaps that applies to you. I'm glad to live far away in a largely
secular society where those who NEED the restraint of religion to
behave well are rightly marginalised as dangerous kooks.
HD
2011-01-25 06:50:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by HD
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
Perhaps that applies to you. I'm glad to live far away in a largely
secular society where those who NEED the restraint of religion to
behave well are rightly marginalised as dangerous kooks.


You live in Russia?
Smiler
2011-01-26 01:21:04 UTC
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Post by Buddythunder
Post by HD
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics?
Where are gay people, witches and psychics being killed?
Do you know that the 3 wise men were Astrologers / Astronomers?
Also I find it disgusting
Post by Seon
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let
them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
You need an absolute to bring your point across
I hope it will never happen but it did to many.
One day your 13 year old daughter may come home high on drugs and
pregnant.She will tell you: "What is wrong with it? We just had fun.One day
we are going to die, so why not make the most of life?" It is no good
telling anyone to be good if they have no reason to be good.
Perhaps that applies to you. I'm glad to live far away in a largely
secular society where those who NEED the restraint of religion to
behave well are rightly marginalised as dangerous kooks.
You live in Russia?
Thus spake one of the dangerous kooks.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Mickey
2011-01-25 09:13:41 UTC
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Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
Fairy tales are fine. It's religion that's the problem.
Michael Gray
2011-01-26 06:57:24 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:13:41 -0800 (PST), Mickey
Post by Mickey
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
Fairy tales are fine. It's religion that's the problem.
Feary Tales.
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
Smiler
2011-01-27 02:37:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Gray
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:13:41 -0800 (PST), Mickey
Post by Mickey
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
Fairy tales are fine. It's religion that's the problem.
Feary Tales.
Or threats from fiery tales.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Michael Gray
2011-01-27 05:42:18 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by Michael Gray
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:13:41 -0800 (PST), Mickey
Post by Mickey
Post by Seon
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
Why can't they do it without fairy tales?
Fairy tales are fine. It's religion that's the problem.
Feary Tales.
Or threats from fiery tales.
Fiery tails? Cut down on the Jalapenos.
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
Mickey
2011-01-25 09:11:46 UTC
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Post by HD
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
So if paents indoctrinate children to be caring, respectful, thruthful etc,
it is child abuse?
No, but it also has nothing to do with religion. It's simply culture.
livvy
2011-01-24 07:47:50 UTC
Permalink
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
Nice goof try...."I know this is old..."....and yet the "what ethics
are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? " Start out like
you want to know, then make a presentation, not well done. As
further evidenced by..."Also I find it disgusting that children are
allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them. Forced
religious indoctrination in children is child abuse. "


Hmmm....not good form. A strident statement, a point of view. You
don't get to have it both ways. You got a question? I doubt
it. You have your own answers, expect others to agree/disagree/
explain Nice goof try, not well done.
Seon
2011-01-24 08:17:24 UTC
Permalink
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
Nice goof try...."I know this is old..."....and yet the "what ethics
are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? " Start out like
you want to know, then make a presentation, not well done. As
further evidenced by..."Also I find it disgusting that children are
allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them. Forced
religious indoctrination in children is child abuse. "


Hmmm....not good form. A strident statement, a point of view. You
don't get to have it both ways. You got a question? I doubt
it. You have your own answers, expect others to agree/disagree/
explain Nice goof try, not well done.

*******************
Ah so you're saying I have some sort of agenda which is untrue. Does that
make you a liar?
livvy
2011-01-25 07:02:36 UTC
Permalink
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
Nice goof try...."I know this is old..."....and yet the   "what ethics
are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? "      Start out like
you want to know, then make a presentation, not well done.    As
further evidenced by..."Also I find it disgusting that children are
allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them. Forced
religious indoctrination in children is child abuse. "
Hmmm....not good form.   A strident statement, a point of view.   You
don't get to have it both ways.     You got a question?   I doubt
it.   You have your own answers, expect others to agree/disagree/
explain    Nice goof try, not well done.
*******************
Ah so you're saying I have some sort of agenda which is untrue. Does that
make you a liar?
Again, nice goof try. You got a question...ask it. It started
out like asking a question..." know this is old but I just wanted to
ask, what ethics are they in religion? And the carrying on
with....To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is
child abuse."

It is totally your own agenda, and then there is always the
accusatory. "Does that make you a liar?"

Never....what you got? Apparently nothing. Go ahead, yap all you
want. About matters of which you really know nothing. Go ahead,
present yourself, how old, your educational background, your religious
education. Talk like a grown-up; you can do that, right? Why
are you so angry, in a presentation? That's all it was, and it
turned hateful, preachy. So, speak. What you got to be so angry
about? It's not a competition, try discussing. You're a grown-
up, you can do that, right?
Michael Gray
2011-01-24 08:57:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by livvy
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
Nice goof try...."I know this is old..."....and yet the "what ethics
are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? " Start out like
you want to know, then make a presentation, not well done. As
further evidenced by..."Also I find it disgusting that children are
allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them. Forced
religious indoctrination in children is child abuse. "
Hmmm....not good form. A strident statement, a point of view. You
don't get to have it both ways. You got a question? I doubt
it. You have your own answers, expect others to agree/disagree/
explain Nice goof try, not well done.
Please resume taking your medication again, as advised by your
psychiatrist.
I mean this sincerely.
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
livvy
2011-01-25 07:06:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Gray
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against...
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
Nice goof try...."I know this is old..."....and yet the   "what ethics
are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? "      Start out like
you want to know, then make a presentation, not well done.    As
further evidenced by..."Also I find it disgusting that children are
allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them. Forced
religious indoctrination in children is child abuse. "
Hmmm....not good form.   A strident statement, a point of view.   You
don't get to have it both ways.     You got a question?   I doubt
it.   You have your own answers, expect others to agree/disagree/
explain    Nice goof try, not well done.
Please resume taking your medication again, as advised by your
psychiatrist.
I mean this sincerely.
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Back at you.....try again. Grow up, read a book, shut off the
computer, go to bed. Shouldn't you be up for school shortly? Nice
try....next...
jg
2011-01-24 21:27:32 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
As kids we couldn't opt out of church, but we could choose what we liked
at school. Ethics classes might have helped all the kids who chose
nothing, might have evened up the choice which was between another
lecture and a holiday.
Churches are being paranoid and narrow in this article.
Seon
2011-01-25 05:33:26 UTC
Permalink
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But then
churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be up to the
parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
As kids we couldn't opt out of church, but we could choose what we liked
at school. Ethics classes might have helped all the kids who chose
nothing, might have evened up the choice which was between another
lecture and a holiday.
Churches are being paranoid and narrow in this article.
Government Shill #2
2011-01-25 06:17:57 UTC
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Post by Seon
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But then
churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be up to the
parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
The twelve commandments?

I haven't been inside a church in a*very* long time, Seon, but even I know it's
10 commandments and 12 Apostles.


Shill #2
--
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
Vique
jg
2011-01-25 06:52:40 UTC
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Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Seon
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But then
churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be up to the
parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
The twelve commandments?
I haven't been inside a church in a*very* long time, Seon, but even I know it's
10 commandments and 12 Apostles.
Ooops.
Seon
2011-01-25 07:31:41 UTC
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Post by jg
Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Seon
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But then
churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be up to
the parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
The twelve commandments?
I haven't been inside a church in a*very* long time, Seon, but even I know it's
10 commandments and 12 Apostles.
Ooops.
Hehehe
I was top posting btw shill. But now that I have windows mail 2009 I won't
have to anymore.
Seon
2011-01-25 07:31:08 UTC
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Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Seon
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But then
churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be up to the
parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
The twelve commandments?
I haven't been inside a church in a*very* long time, Seon, but even I know it's
10 commandments and 12 Apostles.
I didn't say that...but I did miss it.

Commandment number 11: Thou shalt not shove thy religion down people's
throats
commandment number 12: Thou shalt tolerate other faiths or lifestyles
Government Shill #2
2011-01-25 11:07:08 UTC
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Post by Seon
Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Seon
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But then
churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be up to the
parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
The twelve commandments?
I haven't been inside a church in a*very* long time, Seon, but even I know it's
10 commandments and 12 Apostles.
I didn't say that...but I did miss it.
Commandment number 11: Thou shalt not shove thy religion down people's
throats
commandment number 12: Thou shalt tolerate other faiths or lifestyles
Hmmm... In 1978 SGT Fisher told me that the 11th commandment was "Do what ever
you like, just don't get caught!"

Shill #2
--
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
Seon
2011-01-25 20:53:35 UTC
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Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Seon
Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Seon
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But then
churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be up to the
parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
The twelve commandments?
I haven't been inside a church in a*very* long time, Seon, but even I
know
it's
10 commandments and 12 Apostles.
I didn't say that...but I did miss it.
Commandment number 11: Thou shalt not shove thy religion down people's
throats
commandment number 12: Thou shalt tolerate other faiths or lifestyles
Hmmm... In 1978 SGT Fisher told me that the 11th commandment was "Do what ever
you like, just don't get caught!"
That would be the commandment of the Roman Catholic priests.
Michael Gray
2011-01-25 08:49:40 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:17:57 +1100, Government Shill #2
Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Seon
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But then
churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be up to the
parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it disgusting
that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their parents let them.
Forced religious indoctrination in children is child abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
The twelve commandments?
I haven't been inside a church in a*very* long time, Seon, but even I know it's
10 commandments and 12 Apostles.
Actually there are over 3 sets of 10 commandments.
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
jg
2011-01-25 10:17:26 UTC
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Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
As kids we couldn't opt out of church, but we could choose what we liked
at school. Ethics classes might have helped all the kids who chose
nothing, might have evened up the choice which was between another
lecture and a holiday.
Churches are being paranoid and narrow in this article.
So what about the other stuff, about killing witches and stuff? But
then churches are always being paranoid and narrow. But shouldn't it be
up to the parents to teach their children ethics anyway?
Much of the old testament is a history/story book of the Jews, much of
the evil in it is man-made. The new testament is what Christians focus
on - that's where Christ comes in and it's quite Ghandi-ish.

Which burners and the like are not generally accepted as good christians
(or jews for that matter). I read we are 1/3rd parents, 1/3rd school and
1/3rd inheritance. School can be pivotal in such an equation, when
parents aren't always up to scratch at their job.
Michael Gray
2011-01-25 08:49:06 UTC
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Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
jg
2011-01-25 09:56:21 UTC
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Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
Michael Gray
2011-01-26 07:00:37 UTC
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Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.

My money goes on the latter.
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
jg
2011-01-26 08:08:21 UTC
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Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.

Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Michael Gray
2011-01-26 10:46:29 UTC
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Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
plain about the explanation:
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."

In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
--
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, is still there
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-26 10:51:09 UTC
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Michael Gray, whose name means "crippled nancy-boy; wears women's
"...They deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense..."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
No shit, Shylock? If you were any sharper you'd slice yourself to ribbons.
--
U blocker : n. A turd so big it causes a jobbie jam in the foul
drainage system.
jg
2011-01-26 14:18:16 UTC
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Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."

Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Apostate
2011-01-26 15:05:25 UTC
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Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars,
Exception at line 73: irony singularity.
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EAC Deputy Director in Charge of Getting Paid,
Department of Redundancy Department

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure
and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell

"Mr. Worf, set phasers on "Fuck You" and fire at will."
-- Doc Smartass

"Nature has a dark sense of humor, but life is certainly
one of the things it laughs at."
-- Rinaldo of Capadoccia


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Apostate
2011-01-26 15:07:02 UTC
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Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Right, because keeping false gawds in the right order is essential to
living in a society with other people.
--
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BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer freelance Minion #'e'
EAC Deputy Director in Charge of Getting Paid,
Department of Redundancy Department

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure
and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell

"Mr. Worf, set phasers on "Fuck You" and fire at will."
-- Doc Smartass

"Nature has a dark sense of humor, but life is certainly
one of the things it laughs at."
-- Rinaldo of Capadoccia


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jg
2011-01-26 16:59:11 UTC
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Post by Apostate
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Right, because keeping false gawds in the right order is essential to
living in a society with other people.
I never said they were perfect, just not bad in answer to the question
'what ethics are there in religion?'. Still, expressions like 'worships
money' seem to persist in our language.
Apostate
2011-01-26 19:02:04 UTC
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I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Right, because keeping false gawds in the right order is essential to
living in a society with other people.
I never said they were perfect, just not bad in answer to the question
'what ethics are there in religion?'. Still, expressions like 'worships
money' seem to persist in our language.
Yeah, I got that the first time.

(Wtf relevance does that latter point have to the previous question?)
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Christopher A. Lee
2011-01-26 15:39:52 UTC
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I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.

Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...

The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.

The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
jg
2011-01-26 16:42:24 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
Whose religion do they tell you to practice?
I had this when I was young, but never accepted it out of hand. I take
the first 3 or 4 as advertising - like, brought to you by....
I always thought
'Honor your father and your mother'
'You shall not murder'
'You shall not commit adultery.'
'You shall not steal.'
'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
'You shall not covet your neighbor's property'
were pretty good rules to live by - ethics - and quite relevant.
Besides which, when this was being taught in primary schools the kids
who wanted none of it were fed nothing. What ethics were they learning?
Christopher A. Lee
2011-01-26 16:53:39 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
Whose religion do they tell you to practice?
One with a god called "God", imbecile.

Stop being so dishonest.
Post by jg
I had this when I was young, but never accepted it out of hand. I take
the first 3 or 4 as advertising - like, brought to you by....
I always thought
'Honor your father and your mother'
'You shall not murder'
'You shall not commit adultery.'
'You shall not steal.'
'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
'You shall not covet your neighbor's property'
were pretty good rules to live by - ethics - and quite relevant.
Besides which, when this was being taught in primary schools the kids
who wanted none of it were fed nothing. What ethics were they learning?
Those come lower down the list and are therefore less important.

But there are similar sentiments in all cultures.

Why insist of the Christian version WHICH INCLUDES THE ONES
NON-CHRISTIANS OBJECT TO and then pretend they object to the
non-controversial ones?

Why do you want my kids to be told to worship the god of somebody
else's religion?

What's wrong with you?
jg
2011-01-26 17:13:22 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
Whose religion do they tell you to practice?
One with a god called "God", imbecile.
Stop being so dishonest.
Post by jg
I had this when I was young, but never accepted it out of hand. I take
the first 3 or 4 as advertising - like, brought to you by....
I always thought
'Honor your father and your mother'
'You shall not murder'
'You shall not commit adultery.'
'You shall not steal.'
'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
'You shall not covet your neighbor's property'
were pretty good rules to live by - ethics - and quite relevant.
Besides which, when this was being taught in primary schools the kids
who wanted none of it were fed nothing. What ethics were they learning?
Those come lower down the list and are therefore less important.
But there are similar sentiments in all cultures.
Why insist of the Christian version WHICH INCLUDES THE ONES
NON-CHRISTIANS OBJECT TO and then pretend they object to the
non-controversial ones?
Why do you want my kids to be told to worship the god of somebody
else's religion?
What's wrong with you?
This was in answer to the question 'what ethics are there in religion?'.
I don't accept the religion I grew up with (nor any others), but if it's
a choice between the kid who learned no ethics at school or at home and
those familiar with the ten commandments, I'd rather deal with the latter.

I don't know what your kids have been taught, but if ethics is on the
school curriculum as an alternative to religion or nothing, I am all for
the ethics class.
HD
2011-01-26 21:18:42 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of
commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
No it doesn't.
It doesn't mention you.
Since you don't belong to God you are not known and are not being addressed.
You can't argue with God, He doesn't know you.
Post by Michael Gray
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
Christopher A. Lee
2011-01-26 22:16:49 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are they in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of
commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
No it doesn't.
Liar.

What's "God" if it isn't part of somebody's religion - in this case
somebody else's?

Are you really this stupid?
Post by HD
It doesn't mention you.
Where did I say it did, imbecile?

It tells the whole class to, not just members of the Abrahamic
religions.
Post by HD
Since you don't belong to God you are not known and are not being addressed.
You can't argue with God, He doesn't know you.
What a fucking moron.

Your pretend friend isn't the one posting the commandments, imbecile,

And until you demonstrate otherwise, this hypothetical God remains a
figment of your deluded imagination - son nobody can "argue" with it.
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
And in the US it is illegal - an unconstitutional establishment of
religion.
HD
2011-01-26 22:46:44 UTC
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are
they
in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
No it doesn't.
Liar.
What's "God" if it isn't part of somebody's religion - in this case
somebody else's?
Are you really this stupid?
Post by HD
It doesn't mention you.
Where did I say it did, imbecile?
It tells the whole class to, not just members of the Abrahamic
religions.
Post by HD
Since you don't belong to God you are not known and are not being addressed.
You can't argue with God, He doesn't know you.
What a fucking moron.
If I'm not an American, I don't have to keep American laws.
I can shit on them like you shit on God's laws.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Your pretend friend isn't the one posting the commandments, imbecile,
And until you demonstrate otherwise, this hypothetical God remains a
figment of your deluded imagination - son nobody can "argue" with it.
Funny how 98% of the world's population are deluded imbeciles while you are
so extremely smart. Don't ever go to a doctor who is a deluded imbecile, I
would not trust him. Don't vote for a deluded imbecile to be the leader of
your country. In fact, you are better off finding another planet.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
And in the US it is illegal - an unconstitutional establishment of
religion.
Christopher A. Lee
2011-01-26 23:24:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are
they
in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is
child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under king Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
No it doesn't.
Liar.
What's "God" if it isn't part of somebody's religion - in this case
somebody else's?
Are you really this stupid?
Post by HD
It doesn't mention you.
Where did I say it did, imbecile?
It tells the whole class to, not just members of the Abrahamic
religions.
Post by HD
Since you don't belong to God you are not known and are not being addressed.
You can't argue with God, He doesn't know you.
What a fucking moron.
If I'm not an American, I don't have to keep American laws.
I can shit on them like you shit on God's laws.
Why do you feel the need to lie so obviously?

Even a retard like you should realise that there is a world outside
Christianity where its god is merely somebody else's religious belief,
and that they would have to believe in it to do what you lie about
them doing.

But thank you for demonstrating the damage religion does to minds.
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Your pretend friend isn't the one posting the commandments, imbecile,
And until you demonstrate otherwise, this hypothetical God remains a
figment of your deluded imagination - son nobody can "argue" with it.
Funny how 98% of the world's population are deluded imbeciles while you are
so extremely smart. Don't ever go to a doctor who is a deluded imbecile, I
would not trust him. Don't vote for a deluded imbecile to be the leader of
your country. In fact, you are better off finding another planet.
Get help.

Seriously.
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
And in the US it is illegal - an unconstitutional establishment of
religion.
HD
2011-01-27 01:14:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are
they
in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is
child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God
given
to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under
king
Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
No it doesn't.
Liar.
What's "God" if it isn't part of somebody's religion - in this case
somebody else's?
Are you really this stupid?
Post by HD
It doesn't mention you.
Where did I say it did, imbecile?
It tells the whole class to, not just members of the Abrahamic
religions.
Post by HD
Since you don't belong to God you are not known and are not being addressed.
You can't argue with God, He doesn't know you.
What a fucking moron.
If I'm not an American, I don't have to keep American laws.
I can shit on them like you shit on God's laws.
Why do you feel the need to lie so obviously?
Even a retard like you should realise that there is a world outside
Christianity where its god is merely somebody else's religious belief,
and that they would have to believe in it to do what you lie about
them doing.
But thank you for demonstrating the damage religion does to minds.
Yes, that is why 98 % of the world population is seriously brain damaged
while a few people like you are the savious of the world.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Your pretend friend isn't the one posting the commandments, imbecile,
And until you demonstrate otherwise, this hypothetical God remains a
figment of your deluded imagination - son nobody can "argue" with it.
Funny how 98% of the world's population are deluded imbeciles while you are
so extremely smart. Don't ever go to a doctor who is a deluded imbecile, I
would not trust him. Don't vote for a deluded imbecile to be the leader of
your country. In fact, you are better off finding another planet.
Get help.
Seriously.
Find another planet to protect yourself from us.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
And in the US it is illegal - an unconstitutional establishment of
religion.
Christopher A. Lee
2011-01-27 02:38:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are
they
in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if
their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in children is
child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill
f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules like that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God
given
to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under
king
Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
No it doesn't.
Liar.
What's "God" if it isn't part of somebody's religion - in this case
somebody else's?
Are you really this stupid?
Post by HD
It doesn't mention you.
Where did I say it did, imbecile?
It tells the whole class to, not just members of the Abrahamic
religions.
Post by HD
Since you don't belong to God you are not known and are not being addressed.
You can't argue with God, He doesn't know you.
What a fucking moron.
If I'm not an American, I don't have to keep American laws.
I can shit on them like you shit on God's laws.
Why do you feel the need to lie so obviously?
Even a retard like you should realise that there is a world outside
Christianity where its god is merely somebody else's religious belief,
and that they would have to believe in it to do what you lie about
them doing.
But thank you for demonstrating the damage religion does to minds.
Yes, that is why 98 % of the world population is seriously brain damaged
while a few people like you are the savious of the world.
Thank you for confirming what I wrote, again.
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Your pretend friend isn't the one posting the commandments, imbecile,
And until you demonstrate otherwise, this hypothetical God remains a
figment of your deluded imagination - son nobody can "argue" with it.
Funny how 98% of the world's population are deluded imbeciles while you are
so extremely smart. Don't ever go to a doctor who is a deluded imbecile, I
would not trust him. Don't vote for a deluded imbecile to be the leader of
your country. In fact, you are better off finding another planet.
Get help.
Seriously.
Find another planet to protect yourself from us.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
And in the US it is illegal - an unconstitutional establishment of
religion.
HD
2011-01-27 05:37:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are
they
in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if
their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in
children
is
child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill
f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of
commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk - probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules
like
that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God
given
to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under
king
Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
No it doesn't.
Liar.
What's "God" if it isn't part of somebody's religion - in this case
somebody else's?
Are you really this stupid?
Post by HD
It doesn't mention you.
Where did I say it did, imbecile?
It tells the whole class to, not just members of the Abrahamic
religions.
Post by HD
Since you don't belong to God you are not known and are not being addressed.
You can't argue with God, He doesn't know you.
What a fucking moron.
If I'm not an American, I don't have to keep American laws.
I can shit on them like you shit on God's laws.
Why do you feel the need to lie so obviously?
Even a retard like you should realise that there is a world outside
Christianity where its god is merely somebody else's religious belief,
and that they would have to believe in it to do what you lie about
them doing.
But thank you for demonstrating the damage religion does to minds.
Yes, that is why 98 % of the world population is seriously brain damaged
while a few people like you are the savious of the world.
Thank you for confirming what I wrote, again.
Sometimes you give in to know all kids, otherwise the argument never ends.
Of course, they are imbeciles who don't know sarcasm.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Your pretend friend isn't the one posting the commandments, imbecile,
And until you demonstrate otherwise, this hypothetical God remains a
figment of your deluded imagination - son nobody can "argue" with it.
Funny how 98% of the world's population are deluded imbeciles while you are
so extremely smart. Don't ever go to a doctor who is a deluded imbecile, I
would not trust him. Don't vote for a deluded imbecile to be the leader of
your country. In fact, you are better off finding another planet.
Get help.
Seriously.
Find another planet to protect yourself from us.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
The ones that aren't religion-specific are in all the other cultures,
but in any case reflect life 3000 years ago.
And in the US it is illegal - an unconstitutional establishment of
religion.
Christopher A. Lee
2011-01-27 05:48:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by HD
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Michael Gray
Post by jg
Post by Seon Ferguson
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/bishop-enters-battle-against-secular-ethics-classes-20100413-s7pp.html
I know this is old but I just wanted to ask, what ethics are
they
in
religion? To kill gay people, witches, psychics? Also I find
it
disgusting that children are allowed to opt out...but only if
their
parents let them. Forced religious indoctrination in
children
is
child
abuse.
The twelve commandments are ethics - thou shalt not kill
f'rinstance.
Garbage.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk"
On what bizzaro planet is that "ethics"?
I never heard of that one and I never heard of 3 sets of
commandments.
They are in every bible.
There are more than 30, but these are the primary ones.
Including "that one". (Dueteronomy 14:21)
Post by jg
Even so, perhaps it had relevance at the time.
And perhaps they were the ravings of an illiterate schizophrenic
goat-fucker.
My money goes on the latter.
It's a jewish 'law' about boiling a young goat in goat's milk -
probably
not a bad idea when you can't keep anything fresh it would go off in
half a day, perhaps while it cooked. Jews have a lot of rules
like
that,
some no longer very relevant with processed food (if you eat that sh*t)
and refrigeration.
Again, a common but erroneous opinion.
Most Rabbis (and food scientists) will tell you that there is little
to nothing of hygeine behind the strange food taboos.
In fact, one Rabbi to whom I addressed this very conundrum was quite
(Paraphrasing)
"The food laws make no sense whatsoever. That is their very reason for
existing! If they made sense, they'd be easy to follow. No. They
deliberately don't make sense, and some are even against common
sense:- ON PURPOSE! They exist as a visible ritual test of faith."
In other words: they deliberately run against common sense.
Post by jg
Deuteronomy: "Traditionally seen as recording the words of God
given
to
Moses, modern biblical scholars see it as the work of many authors,
probably originating during religious reforms carried out under
king
Josiah"
Mostly, I agree.
But there is little to no evidence that there ever was such a king.
From Wiki: "The majority of critical scholars, for example Richard
Heirs of the University of Florida, support the idea that the
commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This
concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding
societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in
its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother,
causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her."
Whatever, the ten commandments referred to as being taught in schools
today stand up pretty well as ethics.
Bullshit.
Here's a clue, imbecile, you obviously need it...
The ones at the top of the list tell me to practice SOMEBODY ELSE'S
religion.
No it doesn't.
Liar.
What's "God" if it isn't part of somebody's religion - in this case
somebody else's?
Are you really this stupid?
Post by HD
It doesn't mention you.
Where did I say it did, imbecile?
It tells the whole class to, not just members of the Abrahamic
religions.
Post by HD
Since you don't belong to God you are not known and are not being addressed.
You can't argue with God, He doesn't know you.
What a fucking moron.
If I'm not an American, I don't have to keep American laws.
I can shit on them like you shit on God's laws.
Why do you feel the need to lie so obviously?
Even a retard like you should realise that there is a world outside
Christianity where its god is merely somebody else's religious belief,
and that they would have to believe in it to do what you lie about
them doing.
But thank you for demonstrating the damage religion does to minds.
Yes, that is why 98 % of the world population is seriously brain damaged
while a few people like you are the savious of the world.
Thank you for confirming what I wrote, again.
Sometimes you give in to know all kids, otherwise the argument never ends.
Of course, they are imbeciles who don't know sarcasm.
Idiot.

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