Post by Clocky Post by Arrogant Liars & Pretenders Post by jg Post by Sylvia Else Post by Arrogant Liars & Pretenders
Late last year, Qld Premier, Campbell Newman announced that the
choice of fluoridation would be devolved to local councils.
"Campbell Newman says he supports fluoridation but councils should
be able to decide if it is in their water supply not the State
Post by Clocky Post by Arrogant Liars & Pretenders Post by jg Post by Sylvia Else Post by Arrogant Liars & Pretenders
Clearly, the question was not about *fluoridation* but about
Tanya Plibersek, Health Minister qualified in .... Politics ....
reacted, claiming that people should *not* have the choice to decide
what gets put into their water supply - that the choice should be
made *for them*...
Regardless of one's position on fluoridation, it makes little
difference whether the choice is made at a state level or a local
level. It would still not be individual choice.
But if health decisions have to be made for me, I'd much prefer it to
be done at the state level where the decision is likely to be at
least in part evidence based. If the decision were to be made by
local councils, then it might just as well be made by a bunch of
random people picked off the street.
Exactly right, although while it could be argued this transfer of
responsibility is more than likely based on cost not health, it's
probably even more likely a local council would reject it based on cost.
You're making it up - like Plibersek.
In fact, the cost of fluoridation is trivial - equivalent to less than
one filling in your lifetime - so it is highly *unlikely* that cost
would be a factor.
The cost could easily be balanced by demanding a higher premium for
health insurance. In fact the refunds for most standard dental items
are *lower* in Qld than NSW. Funny that.
Like Plibersek, you're talking through your hat. Next you'll tell us
that we're going to be "indundated" by rising sea levels.
These sorts of ignorant judgements by unqualified idiots are highly
damaging to the economy and are why the ALP stumbles from one disaster
to the next. For goodness sake, get some qualified people. Plibersek is
You're a flat-earther who has a problem with sound scientific evidence,
indeed any kind of evidence that doesn't agree with your ignorant stupidity.
You're an ill educated dolt. Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France,
Germany, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland,
Norway, Scotland, Sweden, and Switzerland have decided NOT to flouridate
water, leaving it to the individual as to whether they would like to
ingest a toxin.
In Germany, “The argumentation of the Federal Ministry of Health against
a general permission of fluoridation of drinking water is the problematic
nature of compulsion medication.”
In Belgium, it is “the fundamental position of the drinking water sector
that it is not its task to deliver medicinal treatment to people. This is
the sole responsibility of health services.”
In Luxembourg, “In our views, drinking water isn’t the suitable way for
medicinal treatment and that people needing an addition of fluoride can
decide by their own to use the most appropriate way.”
There have been any number of studies regarding a Fluoridated
population. Some of the risks involve:
Risk to the brain. According to the National Research Council (NRC),
fluoride can damage the brain. Animal studies conducted in the 1990s by
EPA scientists found dementia-like effects at the same concentration (1
ppm) used to fluoridate water, while human studies have found adverse
effects on IQ at levels as low as 0.9 ppm among children with nutrient
deficiencies, and 1.8 ppm among children with adequate nutrient intake.
Risk to the thyroid gland. According to the NRC, fluoride is an
“endocrine disrupter.” Most notably, the NRC has warned that doses of
fluoride (0.01-0.03 mg/kg/day) achievable by drinking fluoridated water,
may reduce the function of the thyroid among individuals with low-iodine
intake. Reduction of thyroid activity can lead to loss of mental acuity,
depression and weight gain
Risk to bones. According to the NRC, fluoride can diminish bone strength
and increase the risk for bone fracture. While the NRC was unable to
determine what level of fluoride is safe for bones, it noted that the
best available information suggests that fracture risk may be increased
at levels as low 1.5 ppm, which is only slightly higher than the
concentration (0.7-1.2 ppm) added to water for fluoridation.
Risk for bone cancer. Animal and human studies – including a recent study
from a team of Harvard scientists – have found a connection between
fluoride and a serious form of bone cancer (osteosarcoma) in males under
the age of 20. The connection between fluoride and osteosarcoma has been
described by the National Toxicology Program as “biologically plausible.”
Up to half of adolescents who develop osteosarcoma die within a few years
Risk to kidney patients. People with kidney disease have a heightened
susceptibility to fluoride toxicity. The heightened risk stems from an
impaired ability to excrete fluoride from the body. As a result, toxic
levels of fluoride can accumulate in the bones, intensify the toxicity of
aluminum build-up, and cause or exacerbate a painful bone disease known
as renal osteodystrophy.
I would no sooner eat fluorosilicic acid as I would tetraethyl lead.
According to a systematic review published by the Ontario Ministry of
Health and Long Term Care, “The magnitude of [fluoridation's] effect is
not large in absolute terms, is often not statistically significant and
may not be of clinical significance.” For example:
No difference exists in tooth decay between fluoridated & unfluoridated
countries. While water fluoridation is often credited with causing the
reduction in tooth decay that has occurred in the US over the past 50
years, the same reductions in tooth decay have occurred in all western
countries, most of which have never added fluoride to their water. The
vast majority of western Europe has rejected water fluoridation. Yet,
according to comprehensive data from the World Health Organization, their
tooth decay rates are just as low, and, in fact, often lower than the
tooth decay rates in the US.
Cavities do not increase when fluoridation stops. In contrast to earlier
findings, five studies published since 2000 have reported no increase in
tooth decay in communities which have ended fluoridation.
Fluoridation does not prevent oral health crises in low-income areas.
While some allege that fluoridation is especially effective for low-
income communities, there is very little evidence to support this claim.
According to a recent systematic review from the British government, “The
evidence about [fluoridation] reducing inequalities in dental health was
of poor quality, contradictory and unreliable.” In the United States,
severe dental crises are occurring in low-income areas irrespective of
whether the community has fluoride added to its water supply. In
addition, several studies have confirmed that the incidence of severe
tooth decay in children (“baby bottle tooth decay”) is not significantly
different in fluoridated vs unfluoridated areas. Thus, despite some
emotionally-based claims to the contrary, water fluoridation does not
prevent the oral health problems related to poverty and lack of dental-
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