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The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection

In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in a cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of a very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus (pbuh). Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts of the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus and at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).

An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in the region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small group of "international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest of the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts (Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the scrolls was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert Eisenman was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the scrolls. In his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team and the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not see the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".

This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a massive effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity, absolute access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of the previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing the Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following spring through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled publication in April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical Archeology Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September 1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile Edition was published.

We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the discovery of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation to a person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as being identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these scrolls in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?

The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts, however, some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are strings of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews. The word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The texts consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation of the matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.

The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past", "present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the essence of how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we are henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more before the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and that the authors were a
sect of very religious and devout Jews, considering all of this let us see what they have to say:

Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme prevalent throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the comming of a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These scrolls also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly and a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.

In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of the Jews began to combine
them into one messiah:
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in the Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it is evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).

"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran, two messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay" (Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).

The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to them for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best known to them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.

These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh). Jesus (pbuh) was best know for
his "preistly" works. However, he never lead an army, and he never established a kingdom or a
government. Quite the opposite, he called to peace and submissiveness and to leave the rule of
the land to others (Matthew 22:21). He told his followers that he yet had many things to teach
them but they could not bear them yet and that another would be coming after him who would
teach them the complete truth (John 16:7-14).

Muhammad (pbuh) too began his ministry preaching submissivness and passiveness. However, his
ministry was nurtured by God almighty to a point where it was able to defend itself and
establish justice in the earth and abolish evil. His followers fought several wars in self
defense and against injustice. The Islamic empire finally stretched from China to Spain and
even those who did not follow Muhammad (pbuh) knew him well. However, what did they know him
for? They knew him for his "kingly" actions and not for the "priestly" side of him that his
followers knew.

"And fight against them until persecution is no more and religion is for God alone. But if they
desist then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers"
--The Qur'an, al-Baqarah(2):193

"Those unto whom We gave the Scripture recognize him Muhammad as they recognize their sons. But
verilly, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it"
--The Qur'an, al-Baqarah(2):146

Over time, the prophesies of the Jews began to become a little blurred, and this in addition to
the continuous persecution of many nations towards the Jews eventually lead to their blending
of these prophesies into one single prophesy and their aggrandizing of this one all- conquering
wondrous event that would finally relieve them of their persecution and pave the way for them
to march forth conquering all nations, and establishing themselves as the protectors of the
kingdom of God. For this reason, when we read the Gospel of Barnabas, we find that when the
Jews ask Jesus (pbuh) whether he is "the messiah" he replys that he is not "the messiah" that
they are expecting.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I
am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and
the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
--Matthew 10:34-35

This is because he understood their question. They were not asking him for his title, rather,
they wanted to know whether he was the one who would finally fulfill all of their prophesies of
leadership, power, and grandeur that they had been waiting for for so many centuries. For this
reason, he told them that he was not "the messiah", but that "the Messiah" they were waiting
for would not come until later. He was referring to the SECOND messiah in their prophesies.
(the Jews had expectations of three prophecies to be fulfilled)

Lawrence Schiffman says regarding Pesher Habakkuk: "It (Pesher Habakkuk) describes the struggle
between the Teacher of Righteousness and his opponents - the Man of Lies (also termed the
Spouter or Preacher of Lies) and the Wicked Priest. The Spouter is pictured as heading a
community. The dispute between the Teacher and the Spouter is seems to have been based on
matters of religious interpretation and law. The Wicked Priest is said to have begun his rule
in truth but then to have abandoned the way of truth. He then persecutes the Teacher,
confronting him on the holiest day of the year, the Day of Atonement". (Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 228).

This prophesy also continues in Pesher Psalms: "This text also mentions the familiar dramatis
personae: the Teacher of Righteousness, termed 'the priest'; the wicked priest; and the Man of
Lies. The Wicked Priest persecuted the Teacher and sought to kill him. The man of lies lead
people astray".(Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 229). What we begin
to see in all of this is the story of the coming of Jesus (pbuh), his selection of Judas as one
of the apostles, the deviance of Judas from the truth, how a sect of the Jews persecuted Jesus
(pbuh), how this sect tried to deceive the masses and differed with Jesus (pbuh) regarding the
truth of God's message, and finally, how they schemed with Judas to kill Jesus (pbuh). The
Teacher of Righteousness is thus a reference to Jesus (pbuh); the "priestly" Messiah. The
Wicked Priest is a reference to Judas, and the Spouter of Lies is most likely the leader of the
"chief priests and Pharisees" who persecuted Jesus (pbuh) and are mentioned so often in the Bible.

Many Christian scholars have snatched up these prophesies in order to prove the validity of
their claim that Jesus (pbuh) was indeed sent by God and that the Jews are required to follow
him. However, they have been thwarted in their attempts by one other quite amazing piece of
evidence that the Jews continually manage to refute their claims with, specifically, that the
Dead Sea Scrolls claim that the coming messiah will be persecuted and that the Wicked Priest
will try to kill him, but that the Wicked Priest will not be successful and that it is he who
will recieve the fate he wished for the messiah.

In interpreting Psalms 37:32,

"The Wicked watches for the righteous, seeking to put him to death,"
the text states: 'Its interpretation concerns the Wicked Priest who watched out for the Teacher
of Righteousness and sought to put him to death'"

(Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 233). So Judas will try to kill
Jesus (pbuh).

"The Wicked Priest began his career with the support of the sectarians, but he quickly lost his
way and began to transgress in order to increase his wealth". (Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls,
Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 233).
"And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted
with him for thirty pieces of silver".
--Matthew 26:15

"Various theories have sought to identify the Teacher with Jesus, claiming that he was executed
by the Wicked Priest. However, had that been the case, the text would not have gone on to
explain how God took vengeance against the priest by turning him over to the 'ruthless ones of
the nations'. And according to this text, the teacher certainly survived the ambush. Indeed the
entire passage is an interpretation of Psalms (37:33) where the text continues,
"The Lord will not abandon him (the Righteous), into his hand (the Wicked); He (The Lord) will
not let him (the Righteous) be condemned in judgment (by the wicked)." (Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 233-234).

The author goes on to quote Pesher Habakkuk with regard to the Wicked Priest's intentions and
his punishment. He says: "Ultimately, however, the Wicked Priest was punished: '.. because of
his transgression against the Teacher of Righteousness and the men of his council, God gave him
over to the hands of his enemies to afflict him with disease so as to destroy him with mortal
suffering because he had acted wickedly against His chosen one'.

The Wicked Priest's enemies tortured him which represents divine punishment for his attacks on
the Teacher of Righteousness. The sufferings of the Wicked Priest are even more graphically
described in another passage: 'and all his enemies arose and abused him in order for his
suffering to be fit punishment for his evil. And they inflicted upon him horrible diseases, and
acts of vengeance in the flesh of his body'. But the one who suffered was the Wicked Priest,
not the Teacher of Righteousness.
"The enemies of the Wicked Priest, the nation against whom he had made war, are said to have
tortured him, so that his life ended in mortal disease and affliction." (Reclaiming the Dead
Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 234). If we read the Gospel of Barnabas, we will find
that when Judas came with the Roman troops in order to betray Jesus (pbuh), God raised Jesus
(pbuh) unto Him and saved him. He then made Judas look and even speak like Jesus (pbuh) so that
the Romans dragged him (Judas) away with them kicking and screaming that he was not Jesus
(pbuh) but Judas. Even the Apostles were totally bewildered.

After the Romans had their fill afflicting Judas with all manner of abuse and torture, he was
finally taken to trial. By now he had totally given up hope of ever being believed. So now when
he was asked, "art thou Jesus?" He replied "Thou sayest". In other words, "you will not believe
me if I say otherwise, so why fight it any more". His enemies (the Romans) then took him,
mocked him, kicked him, cut him, spat on him, humiliated him, and tortured him. Finally, they
put him up on the cross. It appears, however, that shortly after they took him down, he
disappeared from his tomb (maybe to live in disease and torment and die later on if he was not
already dead). The Gospel of Baranabas then goes on to describe how Jesus (pbuh) returned to
the apostles to tell them of how God had saved him from the hands of the Jews and the Romans
and how the traitor (Judas) was taken instead.

This is exactly what the Qur'an has been saying for 1400 years now; that Jesus (pbuh) was not
forsaken by God to be killed by the conspiracy of the Jews and Judas, but that "it was made to
appear so to them":

"But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the
cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear
you witness that we have surrendered (unto Him). Our Lord! We believe in that which You have
revealed and we follow him whom You have sent. Enroll us among those who witness (to the
truth). And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the
best of schemers"
--The Qur'an, A'l-Umran(3):52-54.

"And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger, and
they slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree
concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a
conjecture; for of a surety they slew him not"
--The Qur'an, Al-Nissa(4):157

. The scrolls then go on to describe how "Kittim" (the Roman empire) and the kings of Greece
would both try to take Jerusalem (the symbol of the faithful), but that it would be Kittim (the
Romans) who would finally be successful.

"Some texts also speak about an eschatological prophet who will announce the coming of the
Messiah, a figure similar to Elijah in the rabinnic tradition" (Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 323).

Referring to the manuscript titled The Rule of the Community, verse 9:11-12, Mr. Schiffman
says: "this text unquestionably refers to two messiahs who will be announced by an
eschatological prophet and based on a the cave 4 manuscripts of Rule of the Community, the
original publication team argued that this passage was added to the text later in the history
of the sect. However, the evidence in these manuscripts does not sufficiently support such an
assertion. As far as we can tell, the two-messiah concept was part of Rule of the Community
from the time it was composed". (Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 324).

"And when there came unto them (the Jews) a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their
possession though before that they were invoking Allah (for the coming of Muhammad ) in order
to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came unto them that which they had
recognized, they disbelieved in it. So let the curse of Allah be on disbelievers"
--The Qur'an, Al-Baqarah(2):89

The Dead Sea Scrolls make mention of many more quite amazing and illuminating prophesies and
parallels with the teachings of the Qur'an and Islam. There are also many parallels with the
historical series of events presented in this book, such as the reference to the "seekers of
smooth things" (simplifying the law of the religion) which sounds amazingly similar to the
description of Paul and his followers who "simplified" the religion of Jesus after his
departure and removed all obligation from it all the while claiming that his authority came
directly from "visions" of Jesus (pbuh). He is even quoted, while preaching this removal of
obligation, as saying
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds
should be corrupted from the SIMPLICITY that is in Christ"
--2 Corinthians 11:3

There is so much more that could be said about the Dead Sea Scrolls and their confirmation of
the Qur'an and the mission of Muhammad , however, that will have to be left to a future article
where, God willing, many more detailed examples of this sort shall be analyzed in detail.

Misheal Al-Kadhi
***@mailbox.syr.edu
http://www.7cs.com/scrolls.html

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Ariadne
2008-06-21 14:30:04 UTC
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Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in a cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of a very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus (pbuh). Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts of the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus and at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in the region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small group of "international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest of the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts (Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the scrolls was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert Eisenman was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the scrolls. In his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team and the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not see the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".
This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a massive effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity, absolute access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of the previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing the Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following spring through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled publication in April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical Archeology Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September 1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile Edition was published.
We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the discovery of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation to a person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as being identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these scrolls in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?
The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts, however, some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are strings of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews. The word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The texts consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation of the matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.
The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past", "present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the essence of how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we are henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more before the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and that the authors were a
Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme prevalent throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the comming of a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These scrolls also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly and a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.
In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of the Jews began to combine
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in the Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it is evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran, two messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay" (Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to them for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best known to them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Green Lantern
2008-06-21 14:57:23 UTC
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Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in a
cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of a
very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus (pbuh).
Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery of
the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts of
the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus and
at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
Pistol shots ring out in the barroom night
Enter patty valentine from the upper hall.
She sees the bartender in a pool of blood,
Cries out, my god, they killed them all!
Here comes the story of the hurricane,
The man the authorities came to blame
For somethin that he never done.
Put in a prison cell, but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2008-06-21 15:17:32 UTC
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Post by Ariadne
Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in a cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of a very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus (pbuh). Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts of the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus and at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in the region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small group of "international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest of the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts (Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the scrolls was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert Eisenman was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the scrolls. In his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team and the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not see the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".
This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a massive effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity, absolute access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of the previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing the Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following spring through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled publication in April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical Archeology Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September 1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile Edition was published.
We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the discovery of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation to a person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as being identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these scrolls in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?
The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts, however, some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are strings of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews. The word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The texts consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation of the matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.
The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past", "present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the essence of how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we are henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more before the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and that the authors were a
Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme prevalent throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the comming of a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These scrolls also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly and a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.
In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of the Jews began to combine
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in the Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it is evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran, two messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay" (Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to them for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best known to them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Perfectly reasonable interpretation if you subscribe to Middle Eastern
bullshit monotheism.
--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
üDougtÇ
2008-06-22 21:57:00 UTC
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Post by Ariadne
Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in a
cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of a
very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus (pbuh).
Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery of
the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts of
the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus and
at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of
Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in the
region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small group of
"international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest of
the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts
(Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the
scrolls was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert Eisenman
was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the scrolls. In
his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the
University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an
intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team and
the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not see
the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".
This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a
massive effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity, absolute
access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of the
previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing the
Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following spring
through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled publication in
April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher
inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical
Archeology Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September
1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile Edition was published.
We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the discovery
of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation to
a person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be
called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as
being identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these
scrolls in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?
The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts,
however, some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are
strings of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews. The
word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The texts
consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation of
the matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.
The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is
preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past",
"present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the essence
of how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we are
henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more before
the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and that
the authors were a
sect of very religious and devout Jews, considering all of this let us
Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme prevalent
throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the comming of a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of
Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These scrolls
also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly and
a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced
that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about
preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their
lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.
In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise,
we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of the
Jews began to combine
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in
the Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it is
evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar
recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran, two
messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay"
(Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to
them for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best known to
them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Perfectly reasonable interpretation if you subscribe to Middle Eastern
bullshit monotheism.
Why don't you try publicly stating that in:

Pigistan
Malaysia
Indonesia

It would do wonders for your credibility.
Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2008-06-22 22:20:56 UTC
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Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Post by Ariadne
Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in a
cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of a
very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus (pbuh).
Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery of
the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts of
the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus and
at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of
Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in the
region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small group of
"international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest of
the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts
(Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the
scrolls was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert Eisenman
was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the scrolls. In
his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his
stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the
University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an
intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team and
the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not see
the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".
This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a
massive effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity, absolute
access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of the
previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing the
Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following spring
through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled publication in
April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher
inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical
Archeology Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September
1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile Edition was published.
We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his
book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the discovery
of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation to
a person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be
called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as
being identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these
scrolls in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?
The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts,
however, some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are
strings of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews. The
word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The texts
consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation of
the matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.
The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is
preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past",
"present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the essence
of how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we are
henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more before
the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and that
the authors were a
sect of very religious and devout Jews, considering all of this let us
Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme prevalent
throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the comming of
a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of
Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These scrolls
also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly and
a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced
that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about
preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their
lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.
In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise,
we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of the
Jews began to combine
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory
of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in
the Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it is
evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar
recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran, two
messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay"
(Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to
them for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best known to
them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Perfectly reasonable interpretation if you subscribe to Middle Eastern
bullshit monotheism.
Pigistan
Malaysia
Indonesia
It would do wonders for your credibility.
Why? So I can confirm that it's Middle Eastern bullshit monotheism at work?
--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
üDougtÇ
2008-06-22 22:47:04 UTC
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Post by üDougtÇ
Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Post by Ariadne
Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in
a cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of
a very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus
(pbuh). Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery
of the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts
of the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus
and at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of
Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in the
region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small group
of "international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest of
the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts
(Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the
scrolls was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert
Eisenman was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the scrolls.
In his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his
stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the
University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an
intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team
and the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not see
the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".
This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a
massive effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity, absolute
access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of the
previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing the
Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following spring
through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled publication
in April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher
inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical
Archeology Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September
1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile Edition
was published.
We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his
book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the
discovery of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation
to a person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be
called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as
being identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these
scrolls in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?
The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts,
however, some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are
strings of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews. The
word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The texts
consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation of
the matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.
The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is
preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past",
"present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the essence
of how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we
are henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more
before the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and
that the authors were a
sect of very religious and devout Jews, considering all of this let us
Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme
prevalent throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the comming
of a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of
Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These
scrolls also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly
and a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced
that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about
preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their
lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.
In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael
Wise, we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of
the Jews began to combine
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory
of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in
the Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it
is evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar
recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran,
two messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay"
(Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to
them for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best known
to them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Perfectly reasonable interpretation if you subscribe to Middle Eastern
bullshit monotheism.
Pigistan
Malaysia
Indonesia
It would do wonders for your credibility.
Why? So I can confirm that it's Middle Eastern bullshit monotheism at work?
Malyasia and Indonesia are hardly in the Middle East are they?

What do you have to fear though? Most muslims are peaceful people,
why don't you put that theory to the test?
Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2008-06-22 23:15:09 UTC
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Post by Ariadne
Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in
a cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of
a very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus
(pbuh). Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery
of the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts
of the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus
and at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of
Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in the
region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small group
of "international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest of
the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts
(Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the
scrolls was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert
Eisenman was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the scrolls.
In his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his
stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the
University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an
intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team
and the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not see
the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".
This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a
massive effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity, absolute
access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of the
previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing the
Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following spring
through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled publication
in April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher
inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical
Archeology Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September
1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile Edition
was published.
We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his
book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the
discovery of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation
to a person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be
called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as
being identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these
scrolls in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?
The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts,
however, some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are
strings of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews. The
word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The texts
consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation of
the matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.
The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is
preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past",
"present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the essence
of how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we
are henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more
before the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and
that the authors were a
sect of very religious and devout Jews, considering all of this let us
Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme
prevalent throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the comming
of a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of
Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These
scrolls also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly
and a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced
that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about
preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their
lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.
In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael
Wise, we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of
the Jews began to combine
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory
of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in
the Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it
is evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar
recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran,
two messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay"
(Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to
them for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best known
to them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Perfectly reasonable interpretation if you subscribe to Middle Eastern
bullshit monotheism.
Pigistan
Malaysia
Indonesia
It would do wonders for your credibility.
Why? So I can confirm that it's Middle Eastern bullshit monotheism at work?
Malyasia and Indonesia are hardly in the Middle East are they?
No, but they are followers of one variety of bullshit.
Post by üDougtÇ
What do you have to fear though? Most muslims are peaceful people,
why don't you put that theory to the test?
Are they? Most adherent of bullshit beliefs are quite intolerant, I have
discovered.
--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
üDougtÇ
2008-06-23 20:05:13 UTC
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Post by üDougtÇ
Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Post by üDougtÇ
Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Post by Ariadne
Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls
in a cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work
of a very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus
(pbuh). Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery
of the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew
texts of the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus
and at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey
of Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in
the region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small
group of "international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest
of the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts
(Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the
scrolls was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert
Eisenman was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the
scrolls. In his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his
stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of
the University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an
intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team
and the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not
see the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".
This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a
massive effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity,
absolute access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of
the previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing
the Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following
spring through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled
publication in April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher
inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical
Archeology Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September
1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile
Edition was published.
We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to
his book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the
discovery of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation
to a person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be
called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as
being identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these
scrolls in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?
The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts,
however, some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are
strings of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews.
The word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The
texts consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation
of the matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.
The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is
preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past",
"present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the
essence of how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we
are henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more
before the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and
that the authors were a
sect of very religious and devout Jews, considering all of this let
Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme
prevalent throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the
comming of a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of
Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These
scrolls also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly
and a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were
convinced that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about
preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating
their lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.
In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael
Wise, we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of
the Jews began to combine
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah'
theory of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel'
in the Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that
it is evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar
recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran,
two messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other
lay" (Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to
them for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best
known to them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Perfectly reasonable interpretation if you subscribe to Middle Eastern
bullshit monotheism.
Pigistan
Malaysia
Indonesia
It would do wonders for your credibility.
Why? So I can confirm that it's Middle Eastern bullshit monotheism at work?
Malyasia and Indonesia are hardly in the Middle East are they?
No, but they are followers of one variety of bullshit.
Post by üDougtÇ
What do you have to fear though? Most muslims are peaceful people,
why don't you put that theory to the test?
Are they? Most adherent of bullshit beliefs are quite intolerant, I have
discovered.
You're a racist. You're not tolerating their intolerance.
Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
üDougtÇ
2008-06-22 01:13:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ariadne
Post by Ramabriga
The Dead Sea Scrolls - the Koran connection
In 1947 a group of children stumbled upon the first set of scrolls in a
cave on the shores of
the dead sea. These scrolls were imediately identified as the work of a
very devout sect of the
Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus (pbuh).
Hershel Shanks says in
his book Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: "Such was the discovery of
the Dead Sea Scrolls,
manuscripts a thousand years older than the oldest known Hebrew texts of
the Bible, manuscripts
many of which were written a hundred years before the birth of Jesus and
at least one of which
may have been written almost three hundred years before the journey of Mary and Joseph to
Bethleham" (Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hershel Shanks, pp. 7-8).
An immediate frantic search ensued through the remaining caves in the
region in order to find
what other ancient scrolls could be discovered therein. A small group of "international"
scholars in Israel were given exclusive access to them and the rest of
the world was all but
totally barred from gaining even the slightest glimpse of the texts
(Prof. Eisenman observes
that one of the major stumbling blocks for the publication of the scrolls
was that "in the
first place, the team was hardly international") . Prof. Robert Eisenman
was one of the key
players in the drama that finally lead to the release of the scrolls. In
his book The Dead Sea
Scrolls Uncovered we read: "In the spring of 1986, at the end of his stay in Jerusalem,
Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the
University of Sheffield,
to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this - an
intermediary on behalf of the
Antiquities Department (now 'Authority') and the International Team and
the Scrolls Curator at
Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms 'You will not see the Scrolls in your
lifetimes'".
This stung them into action, and as a result of this statement, a massive
effort was launched
and five years later, through a whirlwind of media publicity, absolute
access to the scrolls
was attained. Prof. Eisenman eventually received 1800 pictures of the
previously unpublished
scrolls. The book goes on to describe how "Eisenman was preparing the
Facsimile Edition of all
unpublished plates. This was scheduled to appear the following spring
through E. J. Brill in
Leiden, Holland. Ten days, however, before it's scheduled publication in
April 1991, after
pressure was applied by the International Team, the publisher
inexplicably withdrew and Hershel
Shanks (author of Biblical Archiology Review) and the Biblical Archeology
Society to their
credit stepped in to fill the breach". However, finally in September
1991, the archives were
officially opened and two months later the 2-volume Facsimile Edition was published.
We have already read the words of Mr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his book: "The most
significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the discovery
of the title "Son of
God" in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation to a
person other than
Jesus.....this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be
called the Son of God in a
Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as being
identical with God
Himself." For Christ's Sake, pp. xii. So why don't we study these scrolls
in a little more
detail and see what else we can learn ?
The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of fragments from many manuscripts, however,
some of the most
interesting among them are the Pesher texts. The Pesher texts are strings
of interpretations of
Biblical verses compiled by the most knowledgeable among the Jews. The
word itself is derived
from the Hebrew root word p-sh-r, which means, "to explain". The texts
consist of Biblical
passages followed by the words pesher ha-davar "the interpretation of the
matter is", and then
the interpretation itself.
The basis of all of these texts is the notion that all of history is
preordained by God. In
other words, God is not restricted to looking at matters as "past",
"present", or "future",
rather, all of time is an open book to God Indeed, this is the essence of
how prophets receive
"prophesies", because God "sees" the future. So, remembering that we are
henceforth quoting
from texts that have been carbon dated at about 100 years or more before
the coming of Jesus
(pbuh), and that this dating is confirmed by literary analysis, and that
the authors were a
sect of very religious and devout Jews, considering all of this let us
Those who have studies the scrolls have noticed a common theme prevalent throughout these
manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesise the comming of a "Teacher of
Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of
Rightousness" will be
opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest". These scrolls
also predict the coming
of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a 1) priestly and
a 2) temporal messiah.
What we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced
that the time of the
coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about
preparing for their advent by
detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their
lives to their worship
and the preparation for their imminent arrival.
In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise,
we read that the early
scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of the
Jews began to combine
"As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory of early Qumran
scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in the
Damascus Document are
singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it is
evoking a Messiah with
both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar
recitations of Hebrews" (The
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162).
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran, two
messiahs were to lead
the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay"
(Reclaiming the Dead Sea
Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to them
for his "religious"
or "preistly" works which he would perform. The second was best known to
them for his "kingly"
works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
LOL, a point that will go right over this muslime pig's head. When is the
epoch of peace that
Muhammad brings supposed to begin? It didn't happen in his lifetime and it
sure as hell hasn't
happened since he died.
Chom Noamsky
2008-06-21 15:35:23 UTC
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Post by Ramabriga
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
And how exactly was this arrived at? (pbuh)
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2008-06-21 15:47:04 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Ramabriga
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
And how exactly was this arrived at? (pbuh)
By a process of elimination - all the other contenders have been
sidelined. Assuming, of course, a cutoff point shortly after Muhammad.
--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
Ariadne
2008-06-21 16:21:03 UTC
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Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Ramabriga
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
And how exactly was this arrived at? (pbuh)
By a process of elimination - all the other contenders have been
sidelined. Assuming, of course, a cutoff point shortly after Muhammad.
--
Dirk
PREFACE

In recent decades many widely reported events have directed
attention to numerous issues involved in ideological conversion, and
in the commitment of individuals to powerful groups or leaders. Among
the most dramatic of these have been he allegations of "brainwashing"
by the Chinese communists, the conversion of Patricia Hearst to the
views of her revolutionary kidnappers in the Symbionese Liberation
Army, the widespread involvement of American young people in unusual
religious cults, and the unparalleled influence of Jim Jones over the
members of the Peoples Temple in Jonestown, Guyana, who at his
instruction killed their children and themselves. More recently, the
death of David Koresh and his followers, the Branch Davidians, in the
assault on their Waco, Texas compound by agencies of the United States
Government; the ritual killings of members of a European cult group,
"The Solar Temple;" and the furor surrounding the death of the Rabbi
Menachen Sneerson, believed to be the Messiah by many thousands of his
Brooklyn followers, reminded us that these issues continue to be
important.

http://employees.oneonta.edu/downinll/PREFACE.htm
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Remote Viewing classes in London
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2008-06-21 16:44:18 UTC
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Post by Ariadne
Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Ramabriga
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
And how exactly was this arrived at? (pbuh)
By a process of elimination - all the other contenders have been
sidelined. Assuming, of course, a cutoff point shortly after Muhammad.
--
Dirk
PREFACE
In recent decades many widely reported events have directed
attention to numerous issues involved in ideological conversion, and
in the commitment of individuals to powerful groups or leaders. Among
the most dramatic of these have been he allegations of "brainwashing"
by the Chinese communists, the conversion of Patricia Hearst to the
views of her revolutionary kidnappers in the Symbionese Liberation
Army, the widespread involvement of American young people in unusual
religious cults, and the unparalleled influence of Jim Jones over the
members of the Peoples Temple in Jonestown, Guyana, who at his
instruction killed their children and themselves. More recently, the
death of David Koresh and his followers, the Branch Davidians, in the
assault on their Waco, Texas compound by agencies of the United States
Government; the ritual killings of members of a European cult group,
"The Solar Temple;" and the furor surrounding the death of the Rabbi
Menachen Sneerson, believed to be the Messiah by many thousands of his
Brooklyn followers, reminded us that these issues continue to be
important.
You are brainwashed, but I am persuaded.
--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
Chom Noamsky
2008-06-21 16:53:37 UTC
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Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Ramabriga
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
And how exactly was this arrived at? (pbuh)
By a process of elimination - all the other contenders have been
sidelined. Assuming, of course, a cutoff point shortly after Muhammad.
Mo is a pretty late candidate if you ask me.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
2008-06-21 18:02:37 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Ramabriga
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
And how exactly was this arrived at? (pbuh)
By a process of elimination - all the other contenders have been
sidelined. Assuming, of course, a cutoff point shortly after Muhammad.
Mo is a pretty late candidate if you ask me.
Not as late as John Smith or Ron Hubbard.
--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
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2008-06-21 16:25:34 UTC
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In the Name of Allah Most Perverted and Vile, Lord of the wicked: May
the Blessings of Satan be upon His messenger, Muhammad (Piss be Upon
Him), his family, his companions, and his evil followers.

The word kuffar is as pejorative as the word nigger. It is the
favorite Muslim word to describe a non-Muslim. Muslims broke world
records of genocide (270 million victims), slavery, religiously
sanctioned rape, abuse of human rights, and prohibition of scientific
inquiry. Islam forbids Muslim emigration to the lands of the infidels
because a Muslim minority cannot enslave the infidel majority. Despite
this prohibition Muslims emigrate to the West, not as migrants, but as
conquerors. They live in sharia mini-states and expand these mini-
states by terrorizing infidel neighbors and driving them out. Any
society not willing to subjugate itself to Islamic authority is,
according to Muslims, in a state of war, or Dar Al-Harb, with Islam.
Arabic proverb says "first comes Saturday, then Sunday." It means that
Arabs are going to exterminate Jews before they exterminate
Christians. It also means that Israel is the first line of defense
against Islam. Islam, like cancer, has the sole purpose of making more
of itself. It will kill our civilization unless it is cut, poisoned,
and radiated into remission.

“I have been made victorious with terror.” - Muhammad (according to
Bukhari: 4.52.220)

In a poll taken for the Davos World Economic Forum, stunning numbers
of Europeans fear a "threat" from Muslims with whom they "interact":
79 percent of Danes, 67 percent of Italians, 68 percent of Spaniards,
65 percent of Swedes and 59 percent of Belgians. source:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0408/blankley042308.php3?printer_friendly

Europe’s Muslim population is set to increase from around 13% today to
between 22% and 37% of the population by 2025. source:
http://news.scotsman.com/europeanunion/CIA-gives-grim-warning-on.2595505.jp

The average European couple now has fewer than 1.4 babies, compared to
3.6 babies born to the average Muslim immigrant couple in Europe.
Across Western Europe 16 to 20 percent of babies are being born into
Muslim families… By 2025, one-third of all European children will be
born to Muslims… In Italy, 95% of all rapists are Muslims. Eighty-five
percent of all murderers are Muslims… France will have a Muslim
majority in less than 25 years! Another telling statistic is that
although the Muslims are 12% of France's population, 70 percent of a
total of 60,775 prisoners in France are Muslims! All of France's urban
suburbs are being roamed by Muslim black African or Arabic gangs… A
very high proportion of French Muslims are in the underclass, that
segment of the population that relies not so much on education and
work as on welfare and predatory activities. In fact, over one
thousand Muslim neighborhoods are under monitoring throughout France.
Seven hundred of those Muslim neighborhoods are listed as "violent"
and nearly 400 hundred are listed as "very violent." Violence ranges
from rape (95% of rapists are Muslim), murder (85% of murderers are
Muslim), theft and looting of cars (58% committed by Muslims) and
street fighting to assault on teachers and civil servants… source:
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

"Like children playing with dynamite, Western intellectuals,
journalists, and diplomats fantasize that they are achieving results
in the Middle East with their words, promises, apologies, money, and
concessions. Yet how can such innocents cope… with polities and
societies whose basic ruling ethos is that of the serial killer?… Can
anyone really expect a stable society capable of progress in Pakistan
when a large majority of the population expresses admiration for Usama
bin Ladin? And what about the Saudi system where, as one local writer
put it, the big Usama put into practice what the little Usama learned
in a Saudi school?… The radical forces in the region are not expecting
to retain or gain power by negotiating, compromising, or being better
understood. They believe they are going to shoot their way into power
or, just as good, accept the surrender of those they have intimidated.
That is why so much of the Western analysis and strategies for dealing
with the region are a bad joke." - Barry Rubin, source:
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=3952&cid=6&sid=20

"Europe is being targeted for deliberate colonization by Muslim
states, and with coordinated efforts aimed at our Islamization and the
elimination of our freedoms. We are being subject to a foreign
invasion, and aiding and abetting a foreign invasion in any way
constitutes treason. If non-Europeans have the right to resist
colonization and desire self-determination then Europeans have that
right, too. And we intend to exercise it." - "Fjordman" source:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Fjordman/European-Declaration-Independence.htm

It is Islamic violence which threatens Holland and all of Europe.
Exactly as in the 1930s, it is the weakness of European leaders which
allows the threat to grow. Just as the League of Nations refused to
stand up to fascism in pre-WW2 Europe, the United Nations grovels
before Islam today. source: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2414

"There does not exist an identifiable body of Muslims, substantive in
number or an outright majority, who could be described as "moderate"
by their repudiation of Muslim extremists. Violence has been an
integral part of Muslim history, irrespective of whether it is
sanctioned by Islam, and Muslims who unhesitatingly use violence to
advance their political ambitions have created a climate within their
faith culture that any Muslim who questions such practice is then
deemed apostate and subject to harm. Consequently, what might pass for
"moderate" Muslims, the large number of Muslims unaccounted for as to
what they think, in practical terms constitute a forest within which
extremists are incubated, nurtured, given ideological and material
support, and to which they return for sanctuary." - Salim Mansur

"A Muslim apostate once suggested to me a litmus test for Westerners
who believe that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance: try
making that point on a street corner in Ramallah, or Riyadh, or
Islamabad, or anywhere in the Muslim world. He assured me you wouldn't
live five minutes." source: http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/10/taqiyya-religious-deception.html

Muslim persecution of Christians: http://tinyurl.com/5rro8p
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/islams_global_war_against_chri.html

Young Talib beheads Ghulam Nabi: http://tinyurl.com/2rb2e3

Suppressing Discussion of Islam (85 minutes, 120 MB):
http://www.newcriterion.com/cm/webcast/wc_GZq4MHNn.mp3

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