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tribute to Ronald Reagan
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Jasmine
2004-06-11 03:34:49 UTC
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copied from another group:



two pages of the Observer were devoted to "How the Gipper stole into
American hearts".



This was a tribute to Ronald Reagan, whose "sunny attitude" and "iconic
status" made him "a consummate communicator" whose "popularity knew no
bounds".



Yes, he had increased America's war spending as never before, but that was
"to fight the Communist peril".





Ad nausea. Reagan's true distinctions were as follows.





At the height of his "popularity", fewer Americans voted for him than for
any modern era president - 27 per cent of the electorate. No other post-1945
president, apart from George W Bush, presided over such a distortion in the
economic life of the United States. Billions were taken from ordinary
Americans and handed, in tax cuts, to the richest 5 per cent. The Reagan
regime helped create the Taliban and supplied Saddam Hussein with chemical
weapons. An anti-apartheid sanctions bill was passed in congress only after
Reagan tried to veto it. Above all, it was Reagan's secret, illegal and
murderous attacks on Central America, one of the world's poorest regions,
for which he ought to be remembered. The Observer writer Paul Harris did
make a passing reference to the Iran-Contra affair and the "public row" that
"claimed some notable scalps".



Reagan, however, "survived" - unlike tens of thousands of his victims. For
most of his two terms in the 1980s, Reagan secretly approved an onslaught on
El Salvador and Nicaragua. In El Salvador, the CIA funded, trained and
directed a jack-booted, black-helmeted National Guard which, together with
death squads it controlled, murdered thousands, especially moderate
reformers: those like Jose Viera, president of the El Salvador Land Reform
Institute, and Archbishop Oscar Romera, who was shot dead as he held up the
chalice at Mass, having made the mistake of preaching that the enforced
poverty of his flock was not God's will, and they should resist the
American-sponsored terror regime. On rubbish tips outside San Salvador,
morning after morning, I saw bodies killed by Reagan's clients, including
pregnant women. In its attacks on Nicaragua, Reagan's "contra" forces
specialised in slitting the throats of midwives and children as they slept.
In charge of this terrorism was John Negroponte, US ambassador to Honduras,
who, reported the Baltimore Sun, created and directed a military unit that
"used shock and suffocation devices in interrogations. Prisoners often were
kept naked and, when no longer useful, killed and buried in unmarked
graves." George W Bush has just appointed Negroponte as the first American
"ambassador" to "liberated" Iraq. You might have thought these matters were
worthy of mention in the Observer - that, under Reagan, more than 100,000
people were slaughtered in Central America, and the United States was
distinguished as the only country ever to have been convicted by the World
Court for acts of terrorism. Having omitted all this, Harris quipped of the
Gipper: "You had to admire his style". This is not the Telegraph, or a
Murdoch paper. In Britain's oldest liberal newspaper, the very idea of a
dissenting voice is becoming exotic."
Jasmine
2004-06-11 03:36:50 UTC
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more on his legacy:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=5688
Post by Jasmine
two pages of the Observer were devoted to "How the Gipper stole into
American hearts".
This was a tribute to Ronald Reagan, whose "sunny attitude" and "iconic
status" made him "a consummate communicator" whose "popularity knew no
bounds".
Yes, he had increased America's war spending as never before, but that was
"to fight the Communist peril".
Ad nausea. Reagan's true distinctions were as follows.
At the height of his "popularity", fewer Americans voted for him than for
any modern era president - 27 per cent of the electorate. No other post-1945
president, apart from George W Bush, presided over such a distortion in the
economic life of the United States. Billions were taken from ordinary
Americans and handed, in tax cuts, to the richest 5 per cent. The Reagan
regime helped create the Taliban and supplied Saddam Hussein with chemical
weapons. An anti-apartheid sanctions bill was passed in congress only after
Reagan tried to veto it. Above all, it was Reagan's secret, illegal and
murderous attacks on Central America, one of the world's poorest regions,
for which he ought to be remembered. The Observer writer Paul Harris did
make a passing reference to the Iran-Contra affair and the "public row" that
"claimed some notable scalps".
Reagan, however, "survived" - unlike tens of thousands of his victims. For
most of his two terms in the 1980s, Reagan secretly approved an onslaught on
El Salvador and Nicaragua. In El Salvador, the CIA funded, trained and
directed a jack-booted, black-helmeted National Guard which, together with
death squads it controlled, murdered thousands, especially moderate
reformers: those like Jose Viera, president of the El Salvador Land Reform
Institute, and Archbishop Oscar Romera, who was shot dead as he held up the
chalice at Mass, having made the mistake of preaching that the enforced
poverty of his flock was not God's will, and they should resist the
American-sponsored terror regime. On rubbish tips outside San Salvador,
morning after morning, I saw bodies killed by Reagan's clients, including
pregnant women. In its attacks on Nicaragua, Reagan's "contra" forces
specialised in slitting the throats of midwives and children as they slept.
In charge of this terrorism was John Negroponte, US ambassador to Honduras,
who, reported the Baltimore Sun, created and directed a military unit that
"used shock and suffocation devices in interrogations. Prisoners often were
kept naked and, when no longer useful, killed and buried in unmarked
graves." George W Bush has just appointed Negroponte as the first American
"ambassador" to "liberated" Iraq. You might have thought these matters were
worthy of mention in the Observer - that, under Reagan, more than 100,000
people were slaughtered in Central America, and the United States was
distinguished as the only country ever to have been convicted by the World
Court for acts of terrorism. Having omitted all this, Harris quipped of the
Gipper: "You had to admire his style". This is not the Telegraph, or a
Murdoch paper. In Britain's oldest liberal newspaper, the very idea of a
dissenting voice is becoming exotic."
Barry Phease
2004-06-11 04:41:09 UTC
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Post by Jasmine
This was a tribute to Ronald Reagan, whose "sunny attitude" and "iconic
status" made him "a consummate communicator" whose "popularity knew no
bounds".
At the height of his "popularity", fewer Americans voted for him than for
any modern era president - 27 per cent of the electorate.
Reagan made Americans feel confortable. The low vote figure was probably
an indication that they were happy with him leading the country. In many
respects GB1 was elected president after him because people wanted to
retain that comfort.

Certainly his legacy is not positive. For me the biggest problem was that
he saw things in black/white, which is very dangerous. It makes it hard
to see the other guy's POV when trying to reach a settlement.

As with all people who see things in black/white they tend to get confused
when they are struck with the greyness of all real problems. An
interesting example was his opposition to abortion and thus to stem-cell
research. However when struck by Alzheimers and realizing that stem-cell
research could lead to a cure his wife starts campaigning for an exception.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/opinion/11CLAR.html?ex=1087531200&en=9cc8ca79ee6a1d70&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

for more on reagan see
http://hnn.us/articles/5544.html
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t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
2004-06-11 04:58:40 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:34:49 +1200, "Jasmine"
[entire msge deleted]

You probably weren't even born then.
Dam, what gives those who did not live through this period the right
to read something and believe whatever!

Cath
Tilly
2004-06-11 06:29:06 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:34:49 +1200, "Jasmine"
[entire msge deleted]
You probably weren't even born then.
Are you suggesting Jasmine is less than twenty?

Tilly
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Dam, what gives those who did not live through this period the right
to read something and believe whatever!
Cath
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DPF
2004-06-11 10:45:21 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:29:06 +1200, in nz.politics "Tilly"
Post by Tilly
Are you suggesting Jasmine is less than twenty?
Well if she is the Jasmine on the Executive of Young Labour, probably.

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Redbaiter
2004-06-11 11:35:31 UTC
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DPF says
Post by DPF
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:29:06 +1200, in nz.politics "Tilly"
Post by Tilly
Are you suggesting Jasmine is less than twenty?
Well if she is the Jasmine on the Executive of Young Labour, probably.
Still undergoing the requisite uni indoctrination process and,
like most such sponge brained leftist automatons, not possessing
the independence of thought to allow her to reject such obvious
and tired old commie propaganda...
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t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
2004-06-11 15:12:40 UTC
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Is this a case of controlled amnesia? Reagan forgot in 1992 and the
cause of his memory loss was diagnosed in 1994? Very fishy timeline.
The life and death of Ronald Reagan was evidently controlled, and that
became quite clear on June 9, 2004, when Larry King interviewed George
Bush.
What a load of bullshit.

Obviously you have never had anyone very close to you develop
Alzenheimers otherwise you would know what it is like and how it
affects the unfortunate victim.

Did you Alzenheimer's victims to just keel over and die?


BTW NZ health services weren't in my father's days, very good at
diagnosing Alzenheimers - and we are talking about in the 80's.
According to the powers that be from Sunnyside Mental Hospital, there
was nothing wrong with him despite a comprenhensive history from us 3
daughters who had been trying to look after him and young children at
the same time. If you have tried this, you would know exactly what I
am talking about.

Sunnyside's assessment meant a couple of people coming out to the home
for about half an hour - there is NO bloody way that a person IMHO can
be assessed correctly in this time frame and not by a doctor! But
this was how it was done [and hopefully it has changed since!]

Finally, he was accepted into the local War Veterans Home however as
this was unsecure, they had to keep him medicated 24/7 to stop him
from wandering. Even their attempts to get him into a secured
facility failed UNTIL after he went missing. Fortunately for us,
he was found alive - I take it you have not experienced a parent with
Alzenheimer's who has gone missing otherwise you would again, know
what I am talking about. Unfortunately for the family of a woman who
went missing from her family caregiver's home the week previous, she
was found dead which is not unsual for Alzenheimers patients as they
do not know where they are, can step out into traffic, get in a place
they don't know how to get out of [which was the case with my Father].

Because of the above, he was finally accepted into Sunnyside for
'assessement' before being placed in a private hospital specialising
in caring for Alzenheimer patients.

Go and talk to some support group members and you will find out for
yourself how Alzenheimers progresses.

As for death, my father started dying on the Friday. On the Monday
night, the staff told us that it may be some days yet as he had eaten
a little that evening.
At that time they explained to us that once he stops eating and taking
fluids, they do not even put a fluid iv in - rather they just withdraw
all foods and fluids and let the body shut down. This was extremely
difficult to accept; fortunately the end came quickly on the Tuesday
morning.

I am sure if he had of lived and they had of withdrawn all fluids etc,
I don't think I would have handled it very well.

So before you say a word about 'controlled amnesia' or anything else,
go and do some research. Hopefull you will come away with a vastly
different outlook. Just remember, it could happen to you.

CAth
Bigot
2004-06-11 15:41:38 UTC
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Post by t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
Is this a case of controlled amnesia? Reagan forgot in 1992 and the
cause of his memory loss was diagnosed in 1994? Very fishy timeline.
The life and death of Ronald Reagan was evidently controlled, and that
became quite clear on June 9, 2004, when Larry King interviewed George
Bush.
What a load of bullshit.
Obviously you have never had anyone very close to you develop
Alzenheimers otherwise you would know what it is like and how it
affects the unfortunate victim.
Did you Alzenheimer's victims to just keel over and die?
BTW NZ health services weren't in my father's days, very good at
diagnosing Alzenheimers - and we are talking about in the 80's.
According to the powers that be from Sunnyside Mental Hospital, there
was nothing wrong with him despite a comprenhensive history from us 3
daughters who had been trying to look after him and young children at
the same time. If you have tried this, you would know exactly what I
am talking about.
Sunnyside's assessment meant a couple of people coming out to the home
for about half an hour - there is NO bloody way that a person IMHO can
be assessed correctly in this time frame and not by a doctor! But
this was how it was done [and hopefully it has changed since!]
Finally, he was accepted into the local War Veterans Home however as
this was unsecure, they had to keep him medicated 24/7 to stop him
from wandering. Even their attempts to get him into a secured
facility failed UNTIL after he went missing. Fortunately for us,
he was found alive - I take it you have not experienced a parent with
Alzenheimer's who has gone missing otherwise you would again, know
what I am talking about. Unfortunately for the family of a woman who
went missing from her family caregiver's home the week previous, she
was found dead which is not unsual for Alzenheimers patients as they
do not know where they are, can step out into traffic, get in a place
they don't know how to get out of [which was the case with my Father].
Because of the above, he was finally accepted into Sunnyside for
'assessement' before being placed in a private hospital specialising
in caring for Alzenheimer patients.
Go and talk to some support group members and you will find out for
yourself how Alzenheimers progresses.
As for death, my father started dying on the Friday. On the Monday
night, the staff told us that it may be some days yet as he had eaten
a little that evening.
At that time they explained to us that once he stops eating and taking
fluids, they do not even put a fluid iv in - rather they just withdraw
all foods and fluids and let the body shut down. This was extremely
difficult to accept; fortunately the end came quickly on the Tuesday
morning.
I am sure if he had of lived and they had of withdrawn all fluids etc,
I don't think I would have handled it very well.
So before you say a word about 'controlled amnesia' or anything else,
go and do some research. Hopefull you will come away with a vastly
different outlook. Just remember, it could happen to you.
No it won't, to lose your mind you first have to have one and Jack spent
too much time in the beauty shop before finding the exit bypassing mind
altogether.
Redbaiter
2004-06-11 20:07:22 UTC
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Post by t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
Is this a case of controlled amnesia? Reagan forgot in 1992 and the
cause of his memory loss was diagnosed in 1994? Very fishy timeline.
The life and death of Ronald Reagan was evidently controlled, and that
became quite clear on June 9, 2004, when Larry King interviewed George
Bush.
What a load of bullshit.
I'm getting seriously bored reading the fantasies of these
psychotic conspiracy addicted leftist turkeys....
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can be avoided; but never hit softly." --Theodore Roosevelt
t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
2004-06-11 20:11:27 UTC
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Is this a case of controlled amnesia? Reagan forgot in 1992 and the
cause of his memory loss was diagnosed in 1994? Very fishy timeline.
The life and death of Ronald Reagan was evidently controlled, and that
became quite clear on June 9, 2004, when Larry King interviewed George
Bush.
[msge snipped]

Alzenheimers - The long goodbye.

Believe it!

Cath
Jasmine
2004-06-11 22:04:48 UTC
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"Tilly" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Slcyc.934$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
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Post by t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
You probably weren't even born then.
Are you suggesting Jasmine is less than twenty?
Actually, I'm flattered

(I voted for Mondale during both the 80 and 84 elections. I am just a bit
over...20, but thanks!) I also remember that many of the current Bush
adminsitration


A few of the Gipper's contributions:

* sending Rumsfeld to negotiate with Saddam... and reestablish military and
commercial relationships

* Kurdistan. "Reagan Red Hot." Nothing's more appetizing than human skin
drenched with mustard, or for that matter, mustard gas, which is what a
"Reagan Red Hot" hot dog is. (Great at a ballgame with jelly beans and
beer.) Iraqi Kurds thank the Gipper from the surface of their seared hearts
for his devotion to Saddam as he squirted them with mustard gas and other
lethal condiments.

* Afghanistan. "Ronnie Poppy." This opium flower honors President Reagan's
contribution to the explosive growth of the Afghan heroin industry in the
1980s through his unconditional support for the most extreme Islamic
fundamentalists who were justifiably opposed to the murderous Soviet
occupation. When not battling the Red Army or rival guerrillas, or
terrorizing civilians and shooting down non-military passenger planes,
Reagan's favored fundamentalists cultivated opium, converted it into smack
and supplied three-fourths of the junkies of Europe and one-third of the
junkies of America. A tip of the Islamist hat to Ronnie for

* Angola. "The Gipper Stump." This polished-oak peg leg features a
heart-felt message from the Cold War commander-in-chief, who worked with the
South African apartheid state to keep Jonas Savimbi and his UNITA terrorists
armed and dangerous, thus keeping the Angolan market for artificial limbs -
not to mention graveyards - booming. "

* El Salvador. "The Reagan Missionary Position." No, not a sexual position
for raping American churchwomen (for that would be in poor taste), but a
position as in a stand. The Reagan Missionary Position, formulated by high
officials Al Haig and Jeane Kirkpatrick, is that the three nuns and one
layworker were pro-Marxist "political activists" and thus hardly innocent.
Besides, their deaths were accidents, not planned executions. Haig explained
that the churchwomen ran or were perceived to have run a "roadblock" and may
have gotten caught in a guerrilla-National Guard "exchange of fire." Were
they also raped in the crossfire? The Reagan Missionary Position's lips say
no, but his eyes say yes.

* Guatemala. "The Reagan 'Bum Rap' Rap." Grandmaster Ronnie first laid down
this rap in 1982 to discredit reports by Amnesty International and others of
the army's slaughter of thousands of Indian villagers in the first months of
General Efrain Rios Montt's rule. Ronnie rapped that Rios Montt (an
evangelical minister nicknamed the "born-again butcher") was getting a "bum
rap." The beauty of the bum-rap rap is that it bolsters "military impunity,"
regarded by Reagan as a cornerstone of client-state pseudo-democracy.

* Honduras. "Reagan's Rascals." The crazy cut-ups of Battalion 316 comprised
a secret unit of CIA-backed torturers and murderers. They rid Honduras of
real and imagined subversives and dissidents, assisted Reagan's beloved
contras and ensured the continued rule of corrupt army thugs behind a
civilian facade -- another cornerstone of client-state pseudo-democracy.

* Haiti. "Ronnie Doc." Duvalier loyalists awarded Reagan the highest degree
a Haitian can steal, the Doctor of Kleptocracy. Papa Doc and Baby Doc earned
theirs the hard way, while Reagan's honorary title states, "Long after the
spineless State Department distanced itself from the sinking Duvalier ship,
you stood steadfast. Unlike the ignorant Haitian masses, you never condemned
Baby Doc's stylish extravagance."

* Laos. "Ronnie Rain." In the mountains of Laos, April showers dump bee
feces on flowers. Ronnie Rain salutes the 1982 White House "Yellow Rain"
disinformation campaign - spread by the demented Wall Street Journal
editorial board and many seemingly sane mainstream journalists - that
portrayed the annual bee barrage as a genocidal commie chemical-weapons
assault.

more at:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=5688
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Tilly
Post by t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
Dam, what gives those who did not live through this period the right
to read something and believe whatever!
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Tilly
2004-06-12 11:51:03 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
You probably weren't even born then.
Are you suggesting Jasmine is less than twenty?
Actually, I'm flattered
I guessed you might be!
Post by Jasmine
(I voted for Mondale during both the 80 and 84 elections. I am just a
bit over...20, but thanks!) I also remember that many of the current
Bush adminsitration
I figured you were much closer to forty than twenty!.




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Morrissey Breen
2004-06-12 11:57:08 UTC
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* sending Rumsfeld to negotiate with Saddam... and re-establish military and
commercial relationships
Hey, hey, hey! Now THAT ain't "fair and balanced"! The human
rights-loving Rumsfeld says that he really put the acid on Saddam to
STOP using chemical weapons. Sadly for him, though, neither his aides
nor the Iraqis recall him remonstrating with Saddam. What he did,
according to the official records, was assure his friend Saddam that
America's apparent opposition to the use of chemical weapons was "in
principle only" - and that Saddam was free to keep using them against
those Iranian and Kurdish untermenschen as he saw fit.
* Kurdistan. "Reagan Red Hot." Nothing's more appetizing than human skin
drenched with mustard, or for that matter, mustard gas, which is what a
"Reagan Red Hot" hot dog is. (Great at a ballgame with jelly beans and
beer.) Iraqi Kurds thank the Gipper from the surface of their seared hearts
for his devotion to Saddam as he squirted them with mustard gas and other
lethal condiments.
And the attempt to cover up the mass murder of Kurds in August 1988;
strangely that example of Reaganite promotion of freedom was missing
from the wall-to-wall eulogies last week.
* Afghanistan.
* Angola.
* El Salvador.
* Guatemala.
Honduras
* Haiti.
* Laos. "Ronnie Rain."
Thanks for posting this list of Reagan-approved terrorist atrocities.

Can you believe some foolish people are still gibbering about his
"love of freedom"?
Bill Ewing
2004-06-12 21:34:11 UTC
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Post by Jasmine
* sending Rumsfeld to negotiate with Saddam... and reestablish military and
commercial relationships
0>* Kurdistan. "Reagan Red Hot." Nothing's more appetizing than human skin
Post by Jasmine
* Afghanistan. "Ronnie Poppy." This opium flower honors President Reagan's
* Angola. "The Gipper Stump." This polished-oak peg leg features a
* Guatemala. "The Reagan 'Bum Rap' Rap." Grandmaster Ronnie first laid down
* Honduras. "Reagan's Rascals." The crazy cut-ups of Battalion 316 comprised
* Haiti. "Ronnie Doc." Duvalier loyalists awarded Reagan the highest degree
* Laos. "Ronnie Rain." In the mountains of Laos, April showers dump bee
What a pity they hadn't just dumped that bastard Reagun's body on a rubbish heap
for the coyotes to feed on. That's all the fucker was....trash.
Bill E....
thing
2004-06-11 07:42:20 UTC
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Post by t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:34:49 +1200, "Jasmine"
[entire msge deleted]
You probably weren't even born then.
Dam, what gives those who did not live through this period the right
to read something and believe whatever!
Cath
And this matters how?

Reagan was a senile nut, there and Im over 20.

regards

Thing
Ken CleanAir-System
2004-06-11 18:31:27 UTC
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Post by t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:34:49 +1200, "Jasmine"
[entire msge deleted]
You probably weren't even born then.
Dam, what gives those who did not live through this period the right
to read something and believe whatever!
Cath
Reagan won by one of the largest if not the largest landslide votes in
American history in 1984. Get over it.

He was loved by Republican votes and well like & loved by many
Democrats.
Jasmine
2004-06-12 03:44:25 UTC
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Post by Ken CleanAir-System
Post by t***@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:34:49 +1200, "Jasmine"
[entire msge deleted]
You probably weren't even born then.
Dam, what gives those who did not live through this period the right
to read something and believe whatever!
Cath
Reagan won by one of the largest if not the largest landslide votes in
American history in 1984. Get over it.
This is the media bourn myth (propaganda).

The reality: "...Gallup just published poll figures comparing him during
office with other presidents. His average ratings during his years in office
were below Kennedy, Johnson, Bush I, and Clinton; above Nixon, Ford, Carter.
This is averages during their terms in office. By 1992 he was ranked just
next to Nixon as the most unpopular living ex-president. Since then there
has been an immense PR campaign to convert him into a revered and historic
figure, if not semi-divine, and it's doubtless had an effect..."
Post by Ken CleanAir-System
He was loved by Republican votes and well like & loved by many
Democrats.
Andrew Fenton
2004-06-11 10:40:13 UTC
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Post by Jasmine
pregnant women. In its attacks on Nicaragua, Reagan's "contra" forces
specialised in slitting the throats of midwives and children as they slept.
In charge of this terrorism was John Negroponte, US ambassador to Honduras,
I wonder......... whatever happened to him?
fasgnadh
2004-06-12 13:49:19 UTC
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Post by Jasmine
Post by Jasmine
pregnant women. In its attacks on Nicaragua, Reagan's "contra" forces
specialised in slitting the throats of midwives and children as they
slept.
Post by Jasmine
In charge of this terrorism was John Negroponte, US ambassador to
Honduras,
I wonder......... whatever happened to him?
As with other former Iran Contra criminals, George W. Bush
has rehabilitated Reagan's thugs and given them diplomatic posts,
he appointed Negroponte to be U.S. Ambassador to the UN.

As former U.S. Ambassador to Honduras, Negroponte played a
significant role in the CIA-sponsored terrorism of
Hondurans during the Nicaraguan Contra War.

Negroponte deliberately falsified State Department
human rights reports throughout his time in Honduras.
U.S. missionaries and many people of faith and conscience
were murdered by the CIA-trained Honduran Battalion 3-16,
which Negroponte at best overlooked and at worst oversaw.

"The New York Times credits John Negroponte with "carrying out the
covert strategy of the Reagan administration to crush the Sandinista
government in Nicaragua" during his tenure as U.S. Ambassador to
Honduras from 1981 and 1985. He oversaw the growth of military aid to
Honduras from $4 million to $77.4 million a year. In early 1984, two
U.S. mercenaries, Thomas Posey and Dana Parker, contacted Negroponte,
stating they wanted to supply arms to the Contra army after the U.S.
Congress had banned governmental add. Documents show that Negroponte
connected the two with a contact in the Honduran military. The operation
was exposed nine months later, at which point the Reagan administration
denied any U.S. government involvement, despite Negroponte’s contact
earlier that year. Other documents uncovered a scheme of Negroponte and
then-Vice President George Bush to funnel Contra aid money through the
Honduran government.

In addition to his work with the Nicaraguan Contra army, Negroponte
helped conceal from Congress the murder, kidnapping and torture abuses
of a CIA-equipped and -trained Honduran military unit, Battalion 3-16.
No mention of these human rights violations ever appeared in State
Department Human Rights reports for Honduras. The Baltimore Sun reports
that Efrain Diaz Arrivillaga, then a delegate in the Honduran Congress
and a voice of dissent, told the Sun that he complained to Negroponte on
numerous occasions about the Honduran military’s human rights abuses.
Rick Chidester, a junior embassy official under Negroponte, reported to
the Sun that he was forced to omit an exhaustive gathering of human
rights violations from his 1982 State Department report. Sister Laetitia
Bordes went on a fact-finding delegation to Honduras in May 1982 to
investigate the whereabouts of 32 Salvadoran nuns and women of faith who
fled to Honduras in 1981 after Archbishop Oscar Romero’s assassination.
Negroponte claimed the embassy knew nothing, but in 1996, Negroponte’s
predecessor Jack Binns reported that the women had been captured,
tortured, and then crammed into helicopters from which they were tossed
to their deaths.

According to the Los Angeles Times, shortly after Negroponte’s
nomination was decided, the U.S. government revoked the visa of General
Luis Alonso Discua Elvir, who was Honduras’ deputy ambassador to the UN.
General Discua was the commander of the Battalion during Negroponte’s
tenure as ambassador. He has publicly claimed to have information
linking Negroponte with the battalion’s activities. His testimony would
be invaluable in illuminating Negroponte’s collusion with Honduran
opponents on Capitol Hill. In 1994, the Honduran Human Rights Commission
charged Negroponte personally with several human rights abuses."
Andrew Fenton
2004-06-12 15:38:17 UTC
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Post by Andrew Fenton
I wonder......... whatever happened to him?
As with other former Iran Contra criminals, George W. Bush
has rehabilitated Reagan's thugs and given them diplomatic posts,
he appointed Negroponte to be U.S. Ambassador to the UN.
Methinks your sarcasm detector was on the blink for a moment
there.............
Scott Hillard
2004-06-14 11:46:31 UTC
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Post by Jasmine
At the height of his "popularity", fewer Americans voted for him than for
any modern era president - 27 per cent of the electorate.
Yet the rest of the electorate was clearly so displeased with his Presidency
that they.....well....couldn't be bothered getting off their arses and
voting for anybody else - eh?
Post by Jasmine
No other post-1945
president, apart from George W Bush, presided over such a distortion in the
economic life of the United States. Billions were taken from ordinary
Americans and handed, in tax cuts, to the richest 5 per cent.
Eh?

Did Regan and Bush increase taxes on low-middle income earners? I must have
missed that.
Post by Jasmine
The Reagan regime helped create the Taliban and supplied Saddam Hussein
with chemical
Post by Jasmine
weapons. An anti-apartheid sanctions bill was passed in congress only after
Reagan tried to veto it.
And look at the modern wonder that South Africa is now - more dangerous for
whites AND blacks. Not to mention bankrupt.

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