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It starts, Where is the COVIDSafe app source code
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Dechucka
2020-04-26 20:28:29 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
Dechucka
2020-04-26 20:32:36 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
Sorry "The government said the COVIDSafe source code would be released
“subject to consultation with the Australian Signals Directorate’s
Australian Cyber Security Centre”.

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/australia-launches-covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-547221

BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime.
Petzl
2020-04-26 21:40:37 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
Sorry "The government said the COVIDSafe source code would be released
“subject to consultation with the Australian Signals Directorate’s
Australian Cyber Security Centre”.
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/australia-launches-covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-547221
BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime.
You can save your balls
GET IT NOW
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/apps-and-tools/covidsafe-app
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Petzl
The good news is that the Hydroxychloroquine should save your life from the Covid-19.
The bad news is that you will be proving President Trump right.
Dechucka
2020-04-26 21:47:17 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
Sorry "The government said the COVIDSafe source code would be released
“subject to consultation with the Australian Signals Directorate’s
Australian Cyber Security Centre”.
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/australia-launches-covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-547221
BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime.
You can save your balls
GET IT NOW
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/apps-and-tools/covidsafe-app
No thank-you, maybe when the code has been disclosed and independently
checked and when the legislation is put forward I may reconsider.

They've lied about releasing the code already.
Ned Latham
2020-04-27 02:38:09 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
Sorry "The government said the COVIDSafe source code would be released
"subject to consultation with the Australian Signals Directorate's
Australian Cyber Security Centre".
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/
australia-launches-covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-547221
BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime.
You can save your balls
GET IT NOW
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/apps-and-tools/covidsafe-app
No thank-you, maybe when the code has been disclosed and independently
checked and when the legislation is put forward I may reconsider.
They've lied about releasing the code already.
And when code emerges, how will you know it's the running code?
Fran
2020-04-27 03:02:06 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Dechucka
2020-04-27 04:44:23 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
OK they have to ratified iirc down the track but haven't been passed by
parliament yet and won't till it sits again. I assume if the kids can go
back to school all the members will be in Canberra
Fran
2020-04-27 05:31:36 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation. It's a Determination and it's been issued by
Hunt. If you'd bothered to read some of it , you'd have seen that he
has the authority (as Minister of Health) to issue such a Determination
under S477(1) of the Biosecurity Act 2015 whcih says:
Health Minister may determine emergency requirements during human
biosecurity emergency period
(1) During a human biosecurity emergency period, the Health Minister
may determine any requirement that he or she is satisfied is necessary:
(a) to prevent or control:
(i) the entry of the declaration listed human disease into
Australian territory or a part of Australian territory; or
(ii) the emergence, establishment or spread of the
declaration listed human disease in Australian territory or a part of
Australian territory; or
(b) to prevent or control the spread of the declaration listed
human disease to another country; or
(c) if a recommendation has been made to the Health Minister by
the World Health Organization under Part III of the International Health
Regulations in relation to the declaration listed human disease--to give
effect to the recommendation.
etc
Post by Dechucka
OK they have to ratified iirc down the track but haven't been passed by
parliament yet and won't till it sits again. I assume if the kids can go
back to school all the members will be in Canberra
He already have the authority to issue this. Public Servants do know
how to do this stuff ya know....
Dechucka
2020-04-27 05:52:20 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by
the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory Statement and
you are correct it is a determination under the Biosecurity Act 2015

My point stands

It's a Determination and it's been issued by
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Hunt.  If you'd bothered to read some of it , you'd have seen that he
has the authority (as Minister of Health) to issue such a Determination
Health Minister may determine emergency requirements during human
biosecurity emergency period
(1)  During a human biosecurity emergency period, the Health Minister
            (i)  the entry of the declaration listed human disease into
Australian territory or a part of Australian territory; or
            (ii)  the emergence, establishment or spread of the
declaration listed human disease in Australian territory or a part of
Australian territory; or
     (b)  to prevent or control the spread of the declaration listed
human disease to another country; or
     (c)  if a recommendation has been made to the Health Minister by
the World Health Organization under Part III of the International Health
Regulations in relation to the declaration listed human disease--to give
effect to the recommendation.
etc
Post by Dechucka
OK they have to ratified iirc down the track but haven't been passed
by parliament yet and won't till it sits again. I assume if the kids
can go back to school all the members will be in Canberra
He already have the authority to issue this.  Public Servants do know
how to do this stuff ya know....
Fran
2020-04-27 06:10:37 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by
the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory Statement and
you are correct it is a determination under the Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does........
Post by Dechucka
 It's a Determination and it's been issued by
Post by Fran
Hunt.  If you'd bothered to read some of it , you'd have seen that he
has the authority (as Minister of Health) to issue such a
Health Minister may determine emergency requirements during human
biosecurity emergency period
(1)  During a human biosecurity emergency period, the Health Minister
             (i)  the entry of the declaration listed human disease
into Australian territory or a part of Australian territory; or
             (ii)  the emergence, establishment or spread of the
declaration listed human disease in Australian territory or a part of
Australian territory; or
      (b)  to prevent or control the spread of the declaration listed
human disease to another country; or
      (c)  if a recommendation has been made to the Health Minister by
the World Health Organization under Part III of the International
Health Regulations in relation to the declaration listed human
disease--to give effect to the recommendation.
etc
Post by Dechucka
OK they have to ratified iirc down the track but haven't been passed
by parliament yet and won't till it sits again. I assume if the kids
can go back to school all the members will be in Canberra
He already have the authority to issue this.  Public Servants do know
how to do this stuff ya know....
Dechucka
2020-04-27 06:16:14 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by
the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory Statement and
you are correct it is a determination under the Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment. No
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to the app
as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may be able to
withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Fran
2020-04-27 06:35:58 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by
the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are
Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory Statement and
you are correct it is a determination under the Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily. They have said there will be legislation and that will
probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place as that is
significantly harder to change but as it stands, the Determination gives
the sort of protections that were promised.

No
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Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to the app
as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may be able to
withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
Dechucka
2020-04-27 07:27:12 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app
by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory Statement
and you are correct it is a determination under the Biosecurity Act
2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by the
Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and that will
probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place as that is
significantly harder to change but as it stands, the Determination gives
the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then legislation but
accept your point as it would be political suicide and would ruin the
app's usage if it was rescinded.
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to the app
as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may be able to
withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the promised
code are both going to be delivered in the future when the app,
obviously, is on people's phones
Fran
2020-04-27 08:53:09 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app
by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory Statement
and you are correct it is a determination under the Biosecurity Act
2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by
the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and that
will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place as that is
significantly harder to change but as it stands, the Determination
gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then legislation but
accept your point as it would be political suicide and would ruin the
app's usage if it was rescinded.
?????? I said that legislation will probably happen and I was making no
point about the Determination being rescinded. I can't see any reason
for that to happen. It's jsut another form of guarantee. I was trying
to tell you that the Determination gives the same protection as
legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as it is a Ministerial
Determination.
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No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to the
app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may be able
to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the promised
code are both going to be delivered in the future when the app,
obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but Determination
already does what Legislation may cover. Not that I can see it matters
if either of those things happen for the people who declare that they
won't be downloading it anyway.
Dechucka
2020-04-27 09:49:41 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app
by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory Statement
and you are correct it is a determination under the Biosecurity
Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by
the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and that
will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place as that
is significantly harder to change but as it stands, the Determination
gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then legislation
but accept your point as it would be political suicide and would ruin
the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was making no
point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't see any reason
for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of guarantee.  I was trying
to tell you that the Determination gives the same protection as
legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as it is a Ministerial
Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to the
app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may be
able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the promised
code are both going to be delivered in the future when the app,
obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but Determination
already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that I can see it matters
if either of those things happen for the people who declare that they
won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
Fran
2020-04-28 01:44:59 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory Statement
and you are correct it is a determination under the Biosecurity
Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by
the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and that
will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place as that
is significantly harder to change but as it stands, the
Determination gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then legislation
but accept your point as it would be political suicide and would ruin
the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was making
no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't see any
reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of guarantee.  I
was trying to tell you that the Determination gives the same
protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as it is a
Ministerial Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to the
app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may be
able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the promised
code are both going to be delivered in the future when the app,
obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but Determination
already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that I can see it
matters if either of those things happen for the people who declare
that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-)) You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
Dechucka
2020-04-28 02:25:19 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under the
Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app by
the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and that
will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place as that
is significantly harder to change but as it stands, the
Determination gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then legislation
but accept your point as it would be political suicide and would
ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was making
no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't see any
reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of guarantee.  I
was trying to tell you that the Determination gives the same
protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as it is a
Ministerial Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to the
app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may be
able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the promised
code are both going to be delivered in the future when the app,
obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but Determination
already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that I can see it
matters if either of those things happen for the people who declare
that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended consequences
are discovered.

Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you

Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place + time has
occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
Fran
2020-04-28 05:10:24 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under the
Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app
by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place
as that is significantly harder to change but as it stands, the
Determination gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then legislation
but accept your point as it would be political suicide and would
ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't
see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of
guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination gives
the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as it
is a Ministerial Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to
the app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may
be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when the
app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but Determination
already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that I can see it
matters if either of those things happen for the people who declare
that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended consequences
are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get the
few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for nefarious means
and especially as its been reverse engineered now by a number of techies
and they aren't concerned:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know

But I' still wasn't concerned before they did that as all info is held
on the phone. That changes only to be accessible to the Health people
(or these mythical snoopers) after there has been notification to a
person's phone that they've been within that 1.5 m range for 15 minutes
of a covid-19 sufferer AND the contacted person has subsequently given
approval for their last 21 days of contact to be uploaded.

The chances of that happening is fairly low anyway I think but to go
even further for someone to actually want to snoop on such info is, IMO
probably less than zero because it all promises to be boring in the
extreme. Phone message comes through: Minnie Mouse (really Fran) was in
contact with Mary Kathleen for 25 minutes on Tuesday the 3rd. Go get a
covid-19 test! Big bloody deal! Mary Kathleen has already rung me and
told me she has Covid-19!

But of course ASIO, ASIS, ASD, AGO, DIO find this info scintillating and
have hacked into the information at the State level and have shared it
with the rest of the Five Eyes....... In a pig's ear....
Post by Dechucka
Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place + time has
occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
Correction: You might reconsider once you figure out that your life is
as interesting and event laden as mine and other apps on your phone and
your computer say far more interesting thing to spooks and scammers than
the few things that the app does.
Dechucka
2020-04-28 05:49:05 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are
Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under the
Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app
by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place
as that is significantly harder to change but as it stands, the
Determination gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then
legislation but accept your point as it would be political suicide
and would ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't
see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of
guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination gives
the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as
it is a Ministerial Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to
the app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt
may be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when
the app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but
Determination already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that I
can see it matters if either of those things happen for the people
who declare that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended
consequences are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get the
few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for nefarious means
and especially as its been reverse engineered now by a number of techies
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know
To use their argument when it comes to security " If they have nothing
to hide then release the code"
Post by Fran
But I' still wasn't concerned before they did that as all info is held
on the phone.  That changes only to be accessible to the Health people
(or these mythical snoopers) after there has been notification to a
person's phone that they've been within that 1.5 m range for 15 minutes
of a covid-19 sufferer AND the contacted person has subsequently given
approval for their last 21 days of contact to be uploaded.
The chances of that happening is fairly low anyway I think but to go
even further for someone to actually want to snoop on such info is, IMO
probably less than zero because it all promises to be boring in the
extreme. Phone message comes through: Minnie Mouse (really Fran) was in
contact with Mary Kathleen for 25 minutes on Tuesday the 3rd. Go get a
covid-19 test!  Big bloody deal!   Mary Kathleen has already rung me and
told me she has Covid-19!
But of course ASIO, ASIS, ASD, AGO, DIO find this info scintillating and
have hacked into the information at the State level and have shared it
with the rest of the Five Eyes.......  In a pig's ear....
You've called me a tin-hat wearing and paranoid but a prefer to see it
as healthy cynicism about people in authority telling me this is good
for me and there is nothing to worry about.
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place + time
has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
No I AM CORRECT Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in
place + time has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
Post by Fran
You might reconsider once you figure out that your life is
as interesting and event laden as mine and other apps on your phone and
your computer say far more interesting thing to spooks and scammers than
the few things that the app does.
Why give them another opportunity?
Ned Latham
2020-04-28 06:12:09 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get the
few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for nefarious means
and especially as its been reverse engineered now by a number of techies
15 minutes isn't short enough for virus tracking; you can fuck someone
in that time.

But it is long enough to eliminate casual contacts. In 15 minutes, for
example, you can plot the overthrow of Show Day with your band of secret
Islamist brothers.

Such contact information will keep the spooks entertained indefinitely.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-
the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know
To use their argument when it comes to security " If they have nothing
to hide then release the code"
What code? You really think that showing some source code necessarily
shows what the machine code does?

----snip----
Fran
2020-04-29 01:50:17 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
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Post by Fran
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of
the app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are
Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under the
Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app
by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place
as that is significantly harder to change but as it stands, the
Determination gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then
legislation but accept your point as it would be political
suicide and would ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't
see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of
guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination gives
the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as
it is a Ministerial Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to
the app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt
may be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when
the app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but
Determination already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that I
can see it matters if either of those things happen for the people
who declare that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended
consequences are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get the
few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for nefarious
means and especially as its been reverse engineered now by a number of
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know
To use their argument when it comes to security " If they have nothing
to hide then release the code"
:-)) Would you know what to do with it when/if it was released?.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
But I' still wasn't concerned before they did that as all info is held
on the phone.  That changes only to be accessible to the Health people
(or these mythical snoopers) after there has been notification to a
person's phone that they've been within that 1.5 m range for 15
minutes of a covid-19 sufferer AND the contacted person has
subsequently given approval for their last 21 days of contact to be
uploaded.
The chances of that happening is fairly low anyway I think but to go
even further for someone to actually want to snoop on such info is,
IMO probably less than zero because it all promises to be boring in
the extreme. Phone message comes through: Minnie Mouse (really Fran)
was in contact with Mary Kathleen for 25 minutes on Tuesday the 3rd.
Go get a covid-19 test!  Big bloody deal!   Mary Kathleen has already
rung me and told me she has Covid-19!
But of course ASIO, ASIS, ASD, AGO, DIO find this info scintillating
and have hacked into the information at the State level and have
shared it with the rest of the Five Eyes.......  In a pig's ear....
You've called me a tin-hat wearing and paranoid but a prefer to  see it
as healthy cynicism about people in authority telling me this is good
for me and there is nothing to worry about.
Yes, I have heard what you've been saying BUT I can't understand why you
and others keep wittering on about how concerned you about security.
Ordog keeps his phone in a drawer so he is the only person with a
legitimate case to whinge and he hasn't done so.

Anyone who has a phone, uses it, has ever downloaded an app and/or uses
a computer (and especially has a Facebook page) is just being
unrealistic and precious in wittering on about privacy and security.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place + time
has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
No I AM CORRECT Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in
place + time  has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
And absolutely nothing will have changed except YOUR mindset.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
You might reconsider once you figure out that your life is as
interesting and event laden as mine and other apps on your phone and
your computer say far more interesting thing to spooks and scammers
than the few things that the app does.
Why give them another opportunity?
Because you're being irrational and illogical.
Dechucka
2020-04-29 02:50:01 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of
the app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are
Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under
the Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a
correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin
place as that is significantly harder to change but as it
stands, the Determination gives the sort of protections that
were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then
legislation but accept your point as it would be political
suicide and would ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't
see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of
guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination gives
the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as
it is a Ministerial Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to
the app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt
may be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're
currently counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when
the app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but
Determination already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that
I can see it matters if either of those things happen for the
people who declare that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended
consequences are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get
the few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for nefarious
means and especially as its been reverse engineered now by a number
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know
To use their argument when it comes to security " If they have nothing
to hide then release the code"
:-)) Would you know what to do with it when/if it was released?.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
But I' still wasn't concerned before they did that as all info is
held on the phone.  That changes only to be accessible to the Health
people (or these mythical snoopers) after there has been notification
to a person's phone that they've been within that 1.5 m range for 15
minutes of a covid-19 sufferer AND the contacted person has
subsequently given approval for their last 21 days of contact to be
uploaded.
The chances of that happening is fairly low anyway I think but to go
even further for someone to actually want to snoop on such info is,
IMO probably less than zero because it all promises to be boring in
the extreme. Phone message comes through: Minnie Mouse (really Fran)
was in contact with Mary Kathleen for 25 minutes on Tuesday the 3rd.
Go get a covid-19 test!  Big bloody deal!   Mary Kathleen has already
rung me and told me she has Covid-19!
But of course ASIO, ASIS, ASD, AGO, DIO find this info scintillating
and have hacked into the information at the State level and have
shared it with the rest of the Five Eyes.......  In a pig's ear....
You've called me a tin-hat wearing and paranoid but a prefer to  see
it as healthy cynicism about people in authority telling me this is
good for me and there is nothing to worry about.
Yes, I have heard what you've been saying BUT I can't understand why you
and others keep wittering on about how concerned you about security.
Ordog keeps his phone in a drawer so he is the only person with a
legitimate case to whinge and he hasn't done so.
Anyone who has a phone, uses it, has ever downloaded an app and/or uses
a computer (and especially has a Facebook page) is just being
unrealistic and precious in wittering on about privacy and security.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place + time
has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
No I AM CORRECT Once the code has been looked at and the legislation
in place + time  has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
And absolutely nothing will have changed except YOUR mindset.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
You might reconsider once you figure out that your life is as
interesting and event laden as mine and other apps on your phone and
your computer say far more interesting thing to spooks and scammers
than the few things that the app does.
Why give them another opportunity?
Because you're being irrational and illogical.
" and loving it"
Fran
2020-04-30 01:00:10 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of
the app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those
are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under
the Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a
correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin
place as that is significantly harder to change but as it
stands, the Determination gives the sort of protections that
were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then
legislation but accept your point as it would be political
suicide and would ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I
can't see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form
of guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination
gives the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to
change as it is a Ministerial Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation
to the app as promised. All we have is a determination that
Hunt may be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're
currently counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when
the app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but
Determination already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that
I can see it matters if either of those things happen for the
people who declare that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended
consequences are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get
the few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for
nefarious means and especially as its been reverse engineered now by
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know
To use their argument when it comes to security " If they have
nothing to hide then release the code"
:-)) Would you know what to do with it when/if it was released?.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
But I' still wasn't concerned before they did that as all info is
held on the phone.  That changes only to be accessible to the Health
people (or these mythical snoopers) after there has been
notification to a person's phone that they've been within that 1.5 m
range for 15 minutes of a covid-19 sufferer AND the contacted person
has subsequently given approval for their last 21 days of contact to
be uploaded.
The chances of that happening is fairly low anyway I think but to go
even further for someone to actually want to snoop on such info is,
IMO probably less than zero because it all promises to be boring in
the extreme. Phone message comes through: Minnie Mouse (really Fran)
was in contact with Mary Kathleen for 25 minutes on Tuesday the 3rd.
Go get a covid-19 test!  Big bloody deal!   Mary Kathleen has
already rung me and told me she has Covid-19!
But of course ASIO, ASIS, ASD, AGO, DIO find this info scintillating
and have hacked into the information at the State level and have
shared it with the rest of the Five Eyes.......  In a pig's ear....
You've called me a tin-hat wearing and paranoid but a prefer to  see
it as healthy cynicism about people in authority telling me this is
good for me and there is nothing to worry about.
Yes, I have heard what you've been saying BUT I can't understand why
you and others keep wittering on about how concerned you about
security. Ordog keeps his phone in a drawer so he is the only person
with a legitimate case to whinge and he hasn't done so.
Anyone who has a phone, uses it, has ever downloaded an app and/or
uses a computer (and especially has a Facebook page) is just being
unrealistic and precious in wittering on about privacy and security.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place +
time has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
No I AM CORRECT Once the code has been looked at and the legislation
in place + time  has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
And absolutely nothing will have changed except YOUR mindset.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
You might reconsider once you figure out that your life is as
interesting and event laden as mine and other apps on your phone and
your computer say far more interesting thing to spooks and scammers
than the few things that the app does.
Why give them another opportunity?
Because you're being irrational and illogical.
" and loving it"
LOL. You old curmudgeon!

Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
Petzl
2020-04-30 02:09:30 UTC
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LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
--
Petzl
"It is very easy to fool the people
but difficult to convince them that they HAVE been fooled!"
Dechucka
2020-04-30 02:33:59 UTC
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Post by Fran
LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
Fran
2020-04-30 04:16:44 UTC
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Post by Petzl
LOL.  You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos.  I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
You must be in jail.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Yep. Definitely in jail if you haven't seen one in years. They're all
over the place
Post by Dechucka
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
Petzl
2020-04-30 10:36:37 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
None around my suburb, the 3 we have are now all Woolworths petrol and
they buy their petrol from Singapore, independent from Caltex.
Only buy fuel locally.
--
Petzl
Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
to avoid child support.

Five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?
Corruption by proxy,a new corruption that is difficult to detect
Dechucka
2020-04-30 20:13:26 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
None around my suburb, the 3 we have are now all Woolworths petrol
So they would be Caltex

and
Post by Petzl
they buy their petrol from Singapore, independent from Caltex.
Only buy fuel locally.
In a couple of years you'll be correct and there will be no 'Caltex' servos
Petzl
2020-04-30 21:40:05 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
None around my suburb, the 3 we have are now all Woolworths petrol
So they would be Caltex
No Caltex logo on them in my local neighbourhood.

Woolworths petrol sold its 540 stores last year to a pommy company
"Euro Garage" for over a $billion, So who knows what now goes on?
<https://www.woolworthsgroup.com.au/content/Document/ASX%20announcements/2019/270519_woolworths-group-successfully-completes-a17-billion-off-market-buy-back.pdf>
https://is.gd/KKEesG

A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?

Seems their rewards card Caltex pay Woolworths for to attract
business
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
and
they buy their petrol from Singapore, independent from Caltex.
Only buy fuel locally.
In a couple of years you'll be correct and there will be no 'Caltex' servos
--
Petzl
"It is very easy to fool the people
but difficult to convince them that they HAVE been fooled!"
Dechucka
2020-04-30 22:56:58 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
None around my suburb, the 3 we have are now all Woolworths petrol
So they would be Caltex
No Caltex logo on them in my local neighbourhood.
What logo's do they have on them? Anyhow this is a bullshit thread.
1) Fran's Star card is widely accepted
2) Caltex Australia is hasn't been owned by Chevron for awhile but were
allowed to retain the caltex signage.
3) the right to use Caltex as a brand nname has been withdrawn
4) In the next couple of years the Caltex servos will be renamed Ampol,
a company taken over by Caltex ages ago.
Post by Petzl
Woolworths petrol sold its 540 stores last year to a pommy company
"Euro Garage" for over a $billion, So who knows what now goes on?
<https://www.woolworthsgroup.com.au/content/Document/ASX%20announcements/2019/270519_woolworths-group-successfully-completes-a17-billion-off-market-buy-back.pdf>
https://is.gd/KKEesG
A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
Shit eh, Caltex servos still exist for the moment and supply the fuel
for woolies in a partnership which as far as I can figure out is more
about the servo stores rather than the petrol.

snip
Fran
2020-05-01 04:38:46 UTC
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LOL.  You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos.  I don't have
the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
None around my suburb, the 3 we have are now all Woolworths petrol
So they would be Caltex
No Caltex logo on them in my local neighbourhood.
What logo's do they have on them? Anyhow this is a bullshit thread.
1) Fran's Star card is widely accepted
It's not a Star Card, it's the "my NRMA" App:
https://apps.apple.com/au/app/my-nrma-food-fuel-parking/id343747162
Post by Dechucka
2) Caltex Australia is hasn't been owned by Chevron for awhile but were
allowed to retain the caltex signage.
3) the right to use Caltex as a brand nname has been withdrawn
4) In the next couple of years the Caltex servos will be renamed Ampol,
a company taken over by Caltex ages ago.
Yep. Ampol it is (at some time in the future)....
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Post by Petzl
Woolworths petrol sold its 540 stores last year to a pommy company
"Euro Garage" for over a $billion, So who knows what now goes on?
<https://www.woolworthsgroup.com.au/content/Document/ASX%20announcements/2019/270519_woolworths-group-successfully-completes-a17-billion-off-market-buy-back.pdf>
      https://is.gd/KKEesG
A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
Shit eh, Caltex servos still exist for the moment and supply the fuel
for woolies in a partnership which as far as I can figure out is more
about the servo stores rather than the petrol.
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Xeno
2020-05-01 06:14:48 UTC
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LOL.  You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos.  I don't have
the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
None around my suburb, the 3 we have are now all Woolworths petrol
So they would be Caltex
No Caltex logo on them in my local neighbourhood.
What logo's do they have on them? Anyhow this is a bullshit thread.
That's nothing new! ;-) Lots of them about.
Post by Dechucka
1) Fran's Star card is widely accepted
2) Caltex Australia is hasn't been owned by Chevron for awhile but were
allowed to retain the caltex signage.
3) the right to use Caltex as a brand nname has been withdrawn
4) In the next couple of years the Caltex servos will be renamed Ampol,
I did read about that. Thought it was odd at the time.
Post by Dechucka
a company taken over by Caltex ages ago.
So Ampol will be a pseudo Australian company then.
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Post by Petzl
Woolworths petrol sold its 540 stores last year to a pommy company
"Euro Garage" for over a $billion, So who knows what now goes on?
<https://www.woolworthsgroup.com.au/content/Document/ASX%20announcements/2019/270519_woolworths-group-successfully-completes-a17-billion-off-market-buy-back.pdf>
      https://is.gd/KKEesG
A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
Shit eh, Caltex servos still exist for the moment and supply the fuel
for woolies in a partnership which as far as I can figure out is more
about the servo stores rather than the petrol.
snip
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Dechucka
2020-05-01 06:56:23 UTC
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LOL.  You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos.  I don't
have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Get off your bench get out and sniff the roses, not the petrol and
you'll see heaps of Caltex's
None around my suburb, the 3 we have are now all Woolworths petrol
So they would be Caltex
No Caltex logo on them in my local neighbourhood.
What logo's do they have on them? Anyhow this is a bullshit thread.
That's nothing new!   ;-)   Lots of them about.
Post by Dechucka
1) Fran's Star card is widely accepted
2) Caltex Australia is hasn't been owned by Chevron for awhile but
were allowed to retain the caltex signage.
3) the right to use Caltex as a brand nname has been withdrawn
4) In the next couple of years the Caltex servos will be renamed Ampol,
I did read about that. Thought it was odd at the time.
The Caltex name is owned by Chevron a US Company. When they sold their
50% of Caltex Aus they let Aus use the name for awhile. The use of
Caltex is has been withdrawn so they will change to Ampol Aus a Company
that they took over sometime ago
Post by Dechucka
a company taken over by Caltex ages ago.
So Ampol will be a pseudo Australian company then.
Caltex Australia is an Australian company listed on the ASX. It will
become Ampol Aus after the 14th of May 1000 meeting at Level 24 2 Market
St. However they'll have to make the decision without me :-(
Fran
2020-05-02 03:58:54 UTC
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4) In the next couple of years the Caltex servos will be renamed Ampol,
I did read about that. Thought it was odd at the time.
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a company taken over by Caltex ages ago.
So Ampol will be a pseudo Australian company then.
Ampol is an old Australian company according to my husband. I certainly
remember servos with that name from my younger years.
Xeno
2020-05-02 05:12:33 UTC
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4) In the next couple of years the Caltex servos will be renamed Ampol,
I did read about that. Thought it was odd at the time.
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a company taken over by Caltex ages ago.
So Ampol will be a pseudo Australian company then.
Ampol is an old Australian company according to my husband.  I certainly
remember servos with that name from my younger years.
It was. Back in the late 50s-early 60s my mother had a partnership in an
Ampol roadhouse - she ran the restaurant. The Ampol stations were quite
common back in that era.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Xeno
2020-04-30 11:11:12 UTC
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LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Two in my immediate local area, northside of town, one badged Woolworths
*and* Caltex, the other just badged Caltex. Southside of town, one
badged Caltex only. Down the highway a little, a truckstop is badged
Woolworths only but comes up as Caltex on my fuel search app. In the
town near the truckstop but off the highway is a small Caltex/Woolworths
branded servo near a shopping centre. That is 5 Caltex servos within a
stretch of 10 kilometres with a variety of badging arrangements.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
jonz
2020-04-30 11:35:24 UTC
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LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Two in my immediate local area, northside of town, one badged Woolworths
*and* Caltex, the other just badged Caltex. Southside of town, one
badged Caltex only. Down the highway a little, a truckstop is badged
Woolworths only but comes up as Caltex on my fuel search app. In the
town near the truckstop but off the highway is a small Caltex/Woolworths
branded servo near a shopping centre. That is 5 Caltex servos within a
stretch of 10 kilometres with a variety of badging arrangements.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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Come in spinner...;)
Petzl
2020-04-30 13:51:06 UTC
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LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Two in my immediate local area, northside of town, one badged Woolworths
*and* Caltex, the other just badged Caltex. Southside of town, one
badged Caltex only. Down the highway a little, a truckstop is badged
Woolworths only but comes up as Caltex on my fuel search app. In the
town near the truckstop but off the highway is a small Caltex/Woolworths
branded servo near a shopping centre. That is 5 Caltex servos within a
stretch of 10 kilometres with a variety of badging arrangements.
Not in my local area but,

"Woolworths Rewards is giving members more places to earn points with
the addition of over 680 Caltex fuel locations."
Seems their rewards card Caltex pay for

Woolworths petrol sold its 540 stores last year to a pommy company for
over a $billion, So who knows what now goes on?
<https://www.woolworthsgroup.com.au/content/Document/ASX%20announcements/2019/270519_woolworths-group-successfully-completes-a17-billion-off-market-buy-back.pdf>
https://is.gd/KKEesG

A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?

Both buy their petrol from Singapore.
--
Petzl
Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
to avoid child support.

Five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?
Corruption by proxy,a new corruption that is difficult to detect
Xeno
2020-05-01 05:33:00 UTC
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LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Two in my immediate local area, northside of town, one badged Woolworths
*and* Caltex, the other just badged Caltex. Southside of town, one
badged Caltex only. Down the highway a little, a truckstop is badged
Woolworths only but comes up as Caltex on my fuel search app. In the
town near the truckstop but off the highway is a small Caltex/Woolworths
branded servo near a shopping centre. That is 5 Caltex servos within a
stretch of 10 kilometres with a variety of badging arrangements.
Not in my local area but,
"Woolworths Rewards is giving members more places to earn points with
the addition of over 680 Caltex fuel locations."
Seems their rewards card Caltex pay for
Woolworths petrol sold its 540 stores last year to a pommy company for
over a $billion, So who knows what now goes on?
<https://www.woolworthsgroup.com.au/content/Document/ASX%20announcements/2019/270519_woolworths-group-successfully-completes-a17-billion-off-market-buy-back.pdf>
https://is.gd/KKEesG
A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
Both buy their petrol from Singapore.
Additives are put in locally according to local and seasonal requirements.
--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Xeno
2020-05-01 06:07:08 UTC
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LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
You have Caltex stations?
Not seen one for years all are rebadged Woolworth's Petrol
Caltex have disowned them
Two in my immediate local area, northside of town, one badged Woolworths
*and* Caltex, the other just badged Caltex. Southside of town, one
badged Caltex only. Down the highway a little, a truckstop is badged
Woolworths only but comes up as Caltex on my fuel search app. In the
town near the truckstop but off the highway is a small Caltex/Woolworths
branded servo near a shopping centre. That is 5 Caltex servos within a
stretch of 10 kilometres with a variety of badging arrangements.
Not in my local area but,
See above. I was referencing *my* immediate area. Every area is different.
Post by Petzl
"Woolworths Rewards is giving members more places to earn points with
the addition of over 680 Caltex fuel locations."
Seems their rewards card Caltex pay for
Woolworths petrol sold its 540 stores last year to a pommy company for
over a $billion, So who knows what now goes on?
Indeed. BTW, I don't think Woolworths actually owned all the Caltex
service stations anyway. I seem to recall something to that effect in
the media a while ago. There are a few around this general area that
have no Woolworths badging at all. I suspect these are independents that
just sell Caltex brand petrol. Either that or they didn't bother
changing the signs.
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<https://www.woolworthsgroup.com.au/content/Document/ASX%20announcements/2019/270519_woolworths-group-successfully-completes-a17-billion-off-market-buy-back.pdf>
https://is.gd/KKEesG
A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
I never *need to buy* the high octane fuel so I can't comment. All cars
I own run on 91 so I would not, in general, see a difference. Might get
a smoother idle but there would be no performance gain in me using 95 or
98. I have, at times, put in 20 litres of 98 but that's just to give the
injectors a bit of a clean. 98 has a much higher detergent levels and
definitely no ethanol admixture.
I should do that now while I'm hardly clocking up miles. That way the 98
will soak the injectors a lot more. ;-)
Post by Petzl
Both buy their petrol from Singapore.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Petzl
2020-05-01 07:23:10 UTC
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A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
I never *need to buy* the high octane fuel so I can't comment. All cars
I own run on 91 so I would not, in general, see a difference. Might get
a smoother idle but there would be no performance gain in me using 95 or
98. I have, at times, put in 20 litres of 98 but that's just to give the
injectors a bit of a clean. 98 has a much higher detergent levels and
definitely no ethanol admixture.
I should do that now while I'm hardly clocking up miles. That way the 98
will soak the injectors a lot more. ;-)
I use 95 octane it has all the additives as 98
Increased miles per gallon more horsepower
98 gives me no improvement
When you use 91 read odometer
use 95 next full and read odometer
Then use 98 next full and read odometer
If your car uses computer ignition, you should find using 95 makes no
difference in cost, as you get more miles per gallon and is better for
engine. 98 is for high performance cars 95 should be adequate for most

1 litre should give around 10 kilometres (50 miles per gallon)
300K should need 30 litres refill as a target to consider
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will be the philosophy of government in the next
- Abraham Lincoln
Xeno
2020-05-01 08:34:01 UTC
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A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
I never *need to buy* the high octane fuel so I can't comment. All cars
I own run on 91 so I would not, in general, see a difference. Might get
a smoother idle but there would be no performance gain in me using 95 or
98. I have, at times, put in 20 litres of 98 but that's just to give the
injectors a bit of a clean. 98 has a much higher detergent levels and
definitely no ethanol admixture.
I should do that now while I'm hardly clocking up miles. That way the 98
will soak the injectors a lot more. ;-)
I use 95 octane it has all the additives as 98
Not possible. The octane rating determination of all fuel sold in
Australia is a legal requirement and 95 just doesn't cut it. As well,
the 98 has much higher detergent levels because cars designed to use it
tend also to create more combustion chamber carbon deposits. That's why
the 98 has that higher detergent level.
Post by Petzl
Increased miles per gallon
Not worthwhile
Post by Petzl
more horsepower
Not worthwhile
Post by Petzl
98 gives me no improvement
It won't for the simple reason your engine cannot benefit from the
higher octane rating. Any improvement elsewhere will be far outweighed
by the higher cost.
Post by Petzl
When you use 91 read odometer
use 95 next full and read odometer
Then use 98 next full and read odometer
If your car uses computer ignition, you should find using 95 makes no
What car in the past couple or three decades doesn't? For that matter,
which cars in the past couple or three decades don't have fuel injection?
Post by Petzl
difference in cost, as you get more miles per gallon and is better for
engine. 98 is for high performance cars 95 should be adequate for most
You might want to argue that with the NRMA. They have carried out
empirical testing. Any benefits of 95 are outweighed by the extra cost
of the fuel. BTW, a perceived increase in horsepower is a very
subjective thing, swayed heavily by perceptions and biases.

https://www.mynrma.com.au/membership/my-nrma-app/fuel-resources/which-octane-petrol-is-best-for-you
Post by Petzl
1 litre should give around 10 kilometres (50 miles per gallon)
300K should need 30 litres refill as a target to consider
What sort of car? Also, your numbers are a bit shy of reality. At 10
litres per hundred, or 10 kilometres per litre, you are getting a tad
less than 30 mpg. 28.2 mpg to be a little more precise. You would need a
very efficient hybrid or a micro car to get anywhere near 50 mpg.

BTW, I did use imperial gallons, not US gallons which are smaller. 1 US
gallon = 3.785 litres whereas 1 Imperial gallon is 4.55 litres.
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Xeno


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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Petzl
2020-05-01 12:24:07 UTC
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A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
I never *need to buy* the high octane fuel so I can't comment. All cars
I own run on 91 so I would not, in general, see a difference. Might get
a smoother idle but there would be no performance gain in me using 95 or
98. I have, at times, put in 20 litres of 98 but that's just to give the
injectors a bit of a clean. 98 has a much higher detergent levels and
definitely no ethanol admixture.
I should do that now while I'm hardly clocking up miles. That way the 98
will soak the injectors a lot more. ;-)
I use 95 octane it has all the additives as 98
Not possible. The octane rating determination of all fuel sold in
Australia is a legal requirement and 95 just doesn't cut it. As well,
the 98 has much higher detergent levels because cars designed to use it
tend also to create more combustion chamber carbon deposits. That's why
the 98 has that higher detergent level.
Post by Petzl
Increased miles per gallon
Not worthwhile
Post by Petzl
more horsepower
Not worthwhile
Post by Petzl
98 gives me no improvement
It won't for the simple reason your engine cannot benefit from the
higher octane rating. Any improvement elsewhere will be far outweighed
by the higher cost.
Post by Petzl
When you use 91 read odometer
use 95 next full and read odometer
Then use 98 next full and read odometer
If your car uses computer ignition, you should find using 95 makes no
What car in the past couple or three decades doesn't? For that matter,
which cars in the past couple or three decades don't have fuel injection?
Post by Petzl
difference in cost, as you get more miles per gallon and is better for
engine. 98 is for high performance cars 95 should be adequate for most
You might want to argue that with the NRMA. They have carried out
empirical testing. Any benefits of 95 are outweighed by the extra cost
of the fuel. BTW, a perceived increase in horsepower is a very
subjective thing, swayed heavily by perceptions and biases.
https://www.mynrma.com.au/membership/my-nrma-app/fuel-resources/which-octane-petrol-is-best-for-you
Post by Petzl
1 litre should give around 10 kilometres (50 miles per gallon)
300K should need 30 litres refill as a target to consider
What sort of car? Also, your numbers are a bit shy of reality. At 10
litres per hundred, or 10 kilometres per litre, you are getting a tad
less than 30 mpg. 28.2 mpg to be a little more precise. You would need a
very efficient hybrid or a micro car to get anywhere near 50 mpg.
BTW, I did use imperial gallons, not US gallons which are smaller. 1 US
gallon = 3.785 litres whereas 1 Imperial gallon is 4.55 litres.
Just work it out yourself
Not hard but worked out the same cost fuel wise to use 95 octane
instead of 91, The benefits are better for engine more miles per
gallon more horsepower,

I have found the NRMA don't give a shit about members, just interested
in selling fake claims. Went to a few NRMA approved motor mechanics
found them absolutely completely crooked, dangerous and complained to
NRMA about them, they then threatened legal action against me for
complaining!

And they email spam, send me their crap magazine advertising the worst
deals one can get involved with!

All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.

Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
NRMA are just a scam.
--
Petzl
"It is very easy to fool the people
but difficult to convince them that they HAVE been fooled!"
Ördög
2020-05-01 23:48:20 UTC
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/snip lots of OT non-politics crap/
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I have found the NRMA don't give a shit about members, just interested
in selling fake claims. Went to a few NRMA approved motor mechanics
found them absolutely completely crooked, dangerous and complained to
NRMA about them, they then threatened legal action against me for
complaining!
Whatever. Dealing with a moron like you must be really really aggravating
even out there in the real life. No wonder they blew their tops at you.
Post by Petzl
And they email spam, send me their crap magazine advertising the worst
deals one can get involved with!
YAWN!
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
NRMA might not be the best deal in town, but they certainly ain't the
worst around.
Post by Petzl
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on my
property
That is a well known problem with public parks in Shitboxville...they do
have trees, which cause shitty drivers to bump into them occasionally.

Of course, it is all the fault of those nasty trees and the mean
insurance company!
Life sux, eh Petz dear?

--
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Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps:
idiots like Petz, Felix, Mad Ned Latham,
all brain dead LJH (Little Johnny Howard) clones like Jonz, John,
Jane, whatever... trolling reincarnations,
that septic Yank trolling freak-show, Mattb
and randomly blown-in Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
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2020-05-02 00:03:50 UTC
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A few years back I rang Caltex to raise concerns about the fuel from
Woolworths Petrol not having additive in the high octane fuel, were
told to contact Woolworths as they were, by then on their own?
I never *need to buy* the high octane fuel so I can't comment. All cars
I own run on 91 so I would not, in general, see a difference. Might get
a smoother idle but there would be no performance gain in me using 95 or
98. I have, at times, put in 20 litres of 98 but that's just to give the
injectors a bit of a clean. 98 has a much higher detergent levels and
definitely no ethanol admixture.
I should do that now while I'm hardly clocking up miles. That way the 98
will soak the injectors a lot more. ;-)
I use 95 octane it has all the additives as 98
Not possible. The octane rating determination of all fuel sold in
Australia is a legal requirement and 95 just doesn't cut it. As well,
the 98 has much higher detergent levels because cars designed to use it
tend also to create more combustion chamber carbon deposits. That's why
the 98 has that higher detergent level.
Post by Petzl
Increased miles per gallon
Not worthwhile
Post by Petzl
more horsepower
Not worthwhile
Post by Petzl
98 gives me no improvement
It won't for the simple reason your engine cannot benefit from the
higher octane rating. Any improvement elsewhere will be far outweighed
by the higher cost.
Post by Petzl
When you use 91 read odometer
use 95 next full and read odometer
Then use 98 next full and read odometer
If your car uses computer ignition, you should find using 95 makes no
What car in the past couple or three decades doesn't? For that matter,
which cars in the past couple or three decades don't have fuel injection?
Post by Petzl
difference in cost, as you get more miles per gallon and is better for
engine. 98 is for high performance cars 95 should be adequate for most
You might want to argue that with the NRMA. They have carried out
empirical testing. Any benefits of 95 are outweighed by the extra cost
of the fuel. BTW, a perceived increase in horsepower is a very
subjective thing, swayed heavily by perceptions and biases.
https://www.mynrma.com.au/membership/my-nrma-app/fuel-resources/which-octane-petrol-is-best-for-you
Post by Petzl
1 litre should give around 10 kilometres (50 miles per gallon)
300K should need 30 litres refill as a target to consider
What sort of car? Also, your numbers are a bit shy of reality. At 10
litres per hundred, or 10 kilometres per litre, you are getting a tad
less than 30 mpg. 28.2 mpg to be a little more precise. You would need a
very efficient hybrid or a micro car to get anywhere near 50 mpg.
BTW, I did use imperial gallons, not US gallons which are smaller. 1 US
gallon = 3.785 litres whereas 1 Imperial gallon is 4.55 litres.
Just work it out yourself
I did and found staggering errors in your claims, one of which I pointed
out above.
Post by Petzl
Not hard but worked out the same cost fuel wise to use 95 octane
instead of 91, The benefits are better for engine more miles per
gallon more horsepower,
As I said, not worth the effort. And, if your engine doesn't have VVT,
then no gain at all.
Post by Petzl
I have found the NRMA don't give a shit about members, just interested
in selling fake claims. Went to a few NRMA approved motor mechanics
found them absolutely completely crooked, dangerous and complained to
NRMA about them, they then threatened legal action against me for
complaining!
I haven't had a problem with them.
Post by Petzl
And they email spam, send me their crap magazine advertising the worst
deals one can get involved with!
I haven't had a problem with them.
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Post by Petzl
NRMA are just a scam.
That's the way third party insurance is here in NSW. All the others do
the same, a friend here has had that experience.
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Petzl
2020-05-02 00:43:58 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
NRMA are just a scam.
That's the way third party insurance is here in NSW. All the others do
the same, a friend here has had that experience.
I just do not by NRMA third party insurance,
I do buy their full insurance and road service

Compulsory third party I buy the cheapest non-NRMA policy just do not
link the two with the same insurance company
--
Petzl
There are three kinds of lies: lies,
damned lies,then there are statistics!
Dechucka
2020-05-02 00:50:54 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
Petzl
2020-05-02 01:01:10 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Had other things I needed doing to car which I paid seperatly for.
Cracked Window, minor paint touch up
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
It is when you get charged a bullshit excess for not claiming on that
part of it, the charge of over a $1000 on a policy that should be
around $300 this goes on for years.
--
Petzl
New South Wales health minister Brad Hazzard, Pro-Abortionist!
Should be the one to lance the fetus larynx so no-one can hear the unborn scream.
Most do not know this is part of the abortion "procedure"
Dechucka
2020-05-02 01:39:18 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Had other things I needed doing to car which I paid seperatly for.
Cracked Window, minor paint touch up
Did you claim those as well? If so it wasn't just a $50 claim was it?
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
It is when you get charged a bullshit excess for not claiming on that
part of it, the charge of over a $1000 on a policy that should be
around $300 this goes on for years.
Change insurers as it didn't effect my daughters 3rd party when she
parked her car severely in a tree, they just don't listen when you warn
them about shaded roads and ice.
Petzl
2020-05-02 02:51:15 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Had other things I needed doing to car which I paid seperatly for.
Cracked Window, minor paint touch up
Did you claim those as well? If so it wasn't just a $50 claim was it?
the bumper had air bag activation I wanted to make sure it was OK that
could of altered the fee
The other stuff I had done at my own expense
The window cracked because a hot day a I used a squeegee.
paint touch ups were because of trolley damage at supermarket
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
It is when you get charged a bullshit excess for not claiming on that
part of it, the charge of over a $1000 on a policy that should be
around $300 this goes on for years.
Change insurers as it didn't effect my daughters 3rd party when she
parked her car severely in a tree, they just don't listen when you warn
them about shaded roads and ice.
I checked others they all charged a excess on your compulsory 3rd
party for private insurance claim.
Maybe they stopped the scam this happened about 10 years ago
--
Petzl
There are three kinds of lies: lies,
damned lies,then there are statistics!
Dechucka
2020-05-02 03:03:34 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Had other things I needed doing to car which I paid seperatly for.
Cracked Window, minor paint touch up
Did you claim those as well? If so it wasn't just a $50 claim was it?
the bumper had air bag activation I wanted to make sure it was OK that
could of altered the fee
it altered the fee from what to $50?
Post by Petzl
The other stuff I had done at my own expense
The window cracked because a hot day a I used a squeegee.
paint touch ups were because of trolley damage at supermarket
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
It is when you get charged a bullshit excess for not claiming on that
part of it, the charge of over a $1000 on a policy that should be
around $300 this goes on for years.
Change insurers as it didn't effect my daughters 3rd party when she
parked her car severely in a tree, they just don't listen when you warn
them about shaded roads and ice.
I checked others they all charged a excess on your compulsory 3rd
party for private insurance claim.
Are you talking about a green slip?
Post by Petzl
Maybe they stopped the scam this happened about 10 years ago
Petzl
2020-05-02 04:39:01 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Had other things I needed doing to car which I paid seperatly for.
Cracked Window, minor paint touch up
Did you claim those as well? If so it wasn't just a $50 claim was it?
the bumper had air bag activation I wanted to make sure it was OK that
could of altered the fee
it altered the fee from what to $50?
Post by Petzl
The other stuff I had done at my own expense
The window cracked because a hot day a I used a squeegee.
paint touch ups were because of trolley damage at supermarket
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
It is when you get charged a bullshit excess for not claiming on that
part of it, the charge of over a $1000 on a policy that should be
around $300 this goes on for years.
Change insurers as it didn't effect my daughters 3rd party when she
parked her car severely in a tree, they just don't listen when you warn
them about shaded roads and ice.
I checked others they all charged a excess on your compulsory 3rd
party for private insurance claim.
Are you talking about a green slip?
Yes you have to have a Green Slip before they will accept a Compulsory
3rd party "insurance"

I could understand if I were a Moslem and had one of my four 9 year
old brides lay behind the vehicle with her hand laid out to be backed
over and crushed, then one could collect insurance!This was the "norm"
in Moslem Lakemba in 1980.

But this was a private insurance matter nothing to do with compulsory
3rd party insurance , required to get rego
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Maybe they stopped the scam this happened about 10 years ago
--
Petzl
Islamists behave the same way wherever they are allowed to infest.
They share tips and tricks on how to cheat the infidel. One of these
tips is that infidels never want to believe the extent and cynicism of
the islamist hatred toward them and to the west and its people. If the
infidel is given a choice between fighting for the truth with an
islamist, or paying him compensation as "piss off" money, they will
always take the latter. Another is that their religion sanctions any
illegal activity.
Xeno
2020-05-02 05:22:39 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Had other things I needed doing to car which I paid seperatly for.
Cracked Window, minor paint touch up
Did you claim those as well? If so it wasn't just a $50 claim was it?
the bumper had air bag activation I wanted to make sure it was OK that
could of altered the fee
it altered the fee from what to $50?
Post by Petzl
The other stuff I had done at my own expense
The window cracked because a hot day a I used a squeegee.
paint touch ups were because of trolley damage at supermarket
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
It is when you get charged a bullshit excess for not claiming on that
part of it, the charge of over a $1000 on a policy that should be
around $300 this goes on for years.
Change insurers as it didn't effect my daughters 3rd party when she
parked her car severely in a tree, they just don't listen when you warn
them about shaded roads and ice.
I checked others they all charged a excess on your compulsory 3rd
party for private insurance claim.
Are you talking about a green slip?
Yes you have to have a Green Slip before they will accept a Compulsory
3rd party "insurance"
I could understand if I were a Moslem and had one of my four 9 year
old brides lay behind the vehicle with her hand laid out to be backed
over and crushed, then one could collect insurance!This was the "norm"
in Moslem Lakemba in 1980.
But this was a private insurance matter nothing to do with compulsory
3rd party insurance , required to get rego
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Maybe they stopped the scam this happened about 10 years ago
When you claim on your comprehensive insurance, all your car insurance
premiums can go up. The CTP will go up too. Happened to friends here and
highly likely if no other vehicle is involved or at fault.
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Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Dechucka
2020-05-02 06:56:03 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Had other things I needed doing to car which I paid seperatly for.
Cracked Window, minor paint touch up
Did you claim those as well? If so it wasn't just a $50 claim was it?
the bumper had air bag activation I wanted to make sure it was OK that
could of altered the fee
it altered the fee from what to $50?
Post by Petzl
The other stuff I had done at my own expense
The window cracked because a hot day a I used a squeegee.
paint touch ups were because of trolley damage at supermarket
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
It is when you get charged a bullshit excess for not claiming on that
part of it, the charge of over a $1000 on a policy that should be
around $300 this goes on for years.
Change insurers as it didn't effect my daughters 3rd party when she
parked her car severely in a tree, they just don't listen when you warn
them about shaded roads and ice.
I checked others they all charged a excess on your compulsory 3rd
party for private insurance claim.
Are you talking about a green slip?
Yes you have to have a Green Slip before they will accept a Compulsory
3rd party "insurance"
A green slip is compulsory 3rd party
Post by Petzl
I could understand if I were a Moslem and had one of my four 9 year
old brides lay behind the vehicle with her hand laid out to be backed
over and crushed, then one could collect insurance!This was the "norm"
in Moslem Lakemba in 1980.
ok you're in goonbag wacko land again
Post by Petzl
But this was a private insurance matter nothing to do with compulsory
3rd party insurance , required to get rego
OK your comments on this thread were BULLSHIT
Ördög
2020-05-02 07:18:36 UTC
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It was written by Dechucka:

Petz
/snip all Petz-idiocy/
Post by Dechucka
OK your comments on this thread were BULLSHIT
Are you surprised?
Show me just a single thread where Petz's inputs are anywhere near even
halfway rational.

He is most of the time drunk and/or from borderline to full blown insane
and I am not even counting in his habitual liar status.
Mostly he posts utter crap with just the occasional crazy-amusing
exceptions from the rule! :(
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Ördög
Welcome to real Hell on Earth! :)
That is when Lieberals and Countrymorons running the show.
They rain down on you *at your expense* hate, greed, bullying, nepotism
and plutocracy!
Fran
2020-05-03 02:43:33 UTC
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Petz
/snip all Petz-idiocy/
Post by Dechucka
OK your comments on this thread were BULLSHIT
Are you surprised?
Show me just a single thread where Petz's inputs are anywhere near even
halfway rational.
He is most of the time drunk and/or from borderline to full blown insane
and I am not even counting in his habitual liar status.
Mostly he posts utter crap with just the occasional crazy-amusing
exceptions from the rule! :(
I've moved on to wondering if he's suffering some form of dementia.
Xeno
2020-05-02 05:13:24 UTC
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All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
Had other things I needed doing to car which I paid seperatly for.
Cracked Window, minor paint touch up
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
It is when you get charged a bullshit excess for not claiming on that
part of it, the charge of over a $1000 on a policy that should be
around $300 this goes on for years.
It is used as a disincentive to claim on suspect trivial shit.
--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Xeno
2020-05-02 01:03:17 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Dechucka
2020-05-02 01:45:00 UTC
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All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
I don't think it is talking about CTP but rather a separate 3rd party
policy. My daughter had one when she was driving an old bomb that wasn't
worth insuring but she wanted coverage if she hit a Porsche. I only get
CTP and a insurance policy that covers my car and 3rd party damage.
Petzl
2020-05-02 02:57:45 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
I don't think it is talking about CTP but rather a separate 3rd party
policy. My daughter had one when she was driving an old bomb that wasn't
worth insuring but she wanted coverage if she hit a Porsche. I only get
CTP and a insurance policy that covers my car and 3rd party damage.
I was talking about 3rd party compulsory insurance
Now retired in NSW it is free
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Petzl
There are three kinds of lies: lies,
damned lies,then there are statistics!
Xeno
2020-05-02 05:30:17 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
I don't think it is talking about CTP but rather a separate 3rd party
policy. My daughter had one when she was driving an old bomb that wasn't
worth insuring but she wanted coverage if she hit a Porsche. I only get
CTP and a insurance policy that covers my car and 3rd party damage.
I was talking about 3rd party compulsory insurance
Now retired in NSW it is free
Incorrect. You might want to rethink your ideas on greenslip/CTP.

Green slip prices
There are no pensioner concessions available on your greenslip.
Insurers use many factors to determine green slip prices. Pension
eligibility is not one of those factors. Information on setting
greenslip prices is on this site.

Registration costs
NSW registration is free for eligible pensioners.
NSW stamp duty and transfer fees are not payable by certain DVA
pensioners (those receiving a disability pension of 70% or higher,
TPI or EDA pensioners or those assessed under the Military
Rehabilitation and Compensation Act 2004 at 50 or more impairment
points).
Pension concessions apply to one vehicle per eligible pensioner.

https://www.greenslips.com.au/pensioner-concessions.html
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Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Xeno
2020-05-02 05:24:55 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
I don't think it is talking about CTP but rather a separate 3rd party
policy. My daughter had one when she was driving an old bomb that wasn't
worth insuring but she wanted coverage if she hit a Porsche. I only get
CTP and a insurance policy that covers my car and 3rd party damage.
An incident/claim on any other policy on a car *can* and does affect the
green slip/CTP premiums.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Petzl
2020-05-02 02:56:17 UTC
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Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Needed damage checked out to see if it was safe bumper has airbag
activation but I have insurance and use it I have no excess
Post by Xeno
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
Thought it was in NSW also turned out it a scam if you make a claim on
private insurance.

When you renew your 3rd party there is no need to tell them you had a
small private insurance, just take it out with a different insurer
they won't know.
--
Petzl
There are three kinds of lies: lies,
damned lies,then there are statistics!
Dechucka
2020-05-02 03:13:02 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Needed damage checked out to see if it was safe bumper has airbag
activation but I have insurance and use it I have no excess
but you said it was your daughter who hit the tree
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
Thought it was in NSW also turned out it a scam if you make a claim on
private insurance.
When you renew your 3rd party there is no need to tell them you had a
small private insurance, just take it out with a different insurer
they won't know.
That makes no sense as per normal, you are totally confused about 1) the
different types of insurance 2) THE SUPPOSED ACCIDENT 3) reality
Petzl
2020-05-02 04:42:35 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Needed damage checked out to see if it was safe bumper has airbag
activation but I have insurance and use it I have no excess
but you said it was your daughter who hit the tree
No I didn't
I have no daughters
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
Thought it was in NSW also turned out it a scam if you make a claim on
private insurance.
When you renew your 3rd party there is no need to tell them you had a
small private insurance, just take it out with a different insurer
they won't know.
That makes no sense as per normal, you are totally confused about 1) the
different types of insurance 2) THE SUPPOSED ACCIDENT 3) reality
This was a Green Slip before the State government will accept a
Compulsory 3rd party "insurance"
--
Petzl
There are none so blind as those who will not see
Xeno
2020-05-02 05:42:14 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Needed damage checked out to see if it was safe bumper has airbag
activation but I have insurance and use it I have no excess
but you said it was your daughter who hit the tree
No I didn't
I have no daughters
When you write this;
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a
tree on my property trying to turn), they told me it would
not affect full insurance (true). But 3rd party they upped
the cost by $1000 normally around $300 because of $50 damage.
It can be safely assumed you were referring to a daughter. You need to
be *much clearer* in your scribblings, indeed, you didn't even
explicitly mention whose car it was.

Anyway, for an at fault accident where no other party is involved, the
premiums for comprehensive and CTP will both go up. The only time they
don't is when you can nominate the other driver. Did that recently when
my car was hit whilst parked. The woman driving the Ute did a runner,
pity about the CCTV. ;-) She will, has been charged. In Victoria, that
offence is two charges an automatic loss of licence - leaving the scene
of an accident and failing to exchange details. Don't know how it goes
here, I just claimed on my insurance, no penalty to me.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Dechucka
2020-05-02 06:51:42 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect  full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Needed damage checked out to see if it was safe bumper has airbag
activation but I have insurance and use it I have no excess
but you said it was your daughter who hit the tree
No I didn't
I have no daughters
you've been telling porky pies again
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
She proved she couldn't drive effectively.
Had absolutely nothing to do with a compulsory third party claim, that
is now a compulsory scam, a wrought
Why is 3rd party insurance a scam?
In Victoria and, I suspect, most other states, it is a fixed fee.
Thought it was in NSW also turned out it a scam if you make a claim on
private insurance.
When you renew your 3rd party there is no need to tell them you had a
small private insurance, just take it out with a different insurer
they won't know.
That makes no sense as per normal, you are totally confused about 1) the
different types of insurance 2) THE SUPPOSED ACCIDENT 3) reality
This was a Green Slip before the State government will accept a
Compulsory 3rd party "insurance"
Fran
2020-05-03 02:41:53 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
All Want from them is road service and car insurance, but shop around.
I did. They came up trumps.
For full insurance yes
Post by Xeno
Post by Petzl
Don't get both compulsory 3rd party and full insurance together from
them.
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a tree on
my property trying to turn), they told me it would not affect
full
insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost by $1000 normally
around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my current
excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay that over and
over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this case and that is
just for the first year.
Needed damage checked out to see if it was safe bumper has airbag
activation but I have insurance and use it I have no excess
but you said it was your daughter who hit the tree
No I didn't
I have no daughters
you've been telling porky pies again
?? I thought it was him who'd mentioned daughters with PhDs who had
turned on a washing machine when the plumber was working????
Ördög
2020-05-03 03:15:02 UTC
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Dechucka
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Petz
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Xeno
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Dechucka
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Petz
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Post by Ördög
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
One of my girls did minor damage to car bumper (slowly hit a
tree on my property trying to turn), they told me it would not
affect full insurance (true).But 3rd party they upped the cost
by $1000 normally around $300 because of $50 damage.
Why did you make an insurance claim for $50?
You have to ask the question. Seems decidedly weird. Given my
current excess, a $50 claim would never have been made. You pay
that over and over again in increased premiums - 14 times in this
case and that is just for the first year.
Needed damage checked out to see if it was safe bumper has airbag
activation but I have insurance and use it I have no excess
but you said it was your daughter who hit the tree
No I didn't I have no daughters
you've been telling porky pies again
?? I thought it was him who'd mentioned daughters with PhDs who had
turned on a washing machine when the plumber was working????
:))
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Ördög
Welcome to real Hell on Earth! :)
That is when Lieberals and Countrymorons running the show.
They rain down on you *at your expense* hate, greed, bullying, nepotism
and plutocracy!
news18
2020-05-03 03:31:51 UTC
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?? I thought it was him who'd mentioned daughters with PhDs who had
turned on a washing machine when the plumber was working????
Lol, I know of at east one old teacher who taught analogue clocks for
decade who has trouble aoplying the concept of "clockwise" to threads and
caps.


FWIW, PHD's are about very narrow study/research.

I know of another PHD who's paper involved a lot of coding who made the
major mistake of not having a singular defiunution of constants and when
he need to change a constat, he spent months tracking down all the places
where he had hard written the constant. Good practise for years has been
to definit it as a variable just once and reference. He knew his area of
experise, but was only a poor coder.
Petzl
2020-05-03 08:00:10 UTC
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No I didn't
I have no daughters
you've been telling porky pies again
?? I thought it was him who'd mentioned daughters with PhDs who had
turned on a washing machine when the plumber was working????
Fran is spinning, twisting of course lying,
never said daughters
I said my Girls both have Phd's.
Opened the Taps to Washing machine then started to do washing while
drainer went down the 2 metre deep hole to connect sewer to main.
Any time before that would of been OK, he just needed less than 5
minutes in hole before that he was digging hole with back hoe.
--
Petzl
"When you let people into your country that hate everything about you and your heritage,
there's a good chance they will kill you."
https://is.gd/Nn2qz6
Dechucka
2020-05-03 09:40:55 UTC
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I said my Girls both have Phd's.
So who are these girls?

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Xeno
2020-05-03 13:14:12 UTC
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No I didn't
I have no daughters
you've been telling porky pies again
?? I thought it was him who'd mentioned daughters with PhDs who had
turned on a washing machine when the plumber was working????
Fran is spinning, twisting of course lying,
never said daughters
I said my Girls both have Phd's.
An oblique reference to daughters, wives (plural), concubines, what?
Normal sane people would interpret your comment as referring to daughters.
Post by Petzl
Opened the Taps to Washing machine then started to do washing while
drainer went down the 2 metre deep hole to connect sewer to main.
Any time before that would of been OK, he just needed less than 5
minutes in hole before that he was digging hole with back hoe.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Fran
2020-05-04 05:26:44 UTC
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No I didn't
I have no daughters
you've been telling porky pies again
??  I thought it was him who'd mentioned daughters with PhDs who had
turned on a washing machine when the plumber was working????
Fran is spinning, twisting of course lying,
never said daughters
I said my Girls both have Phd's.
An oblique reference to daughters, wives (plural), concubines, what?
Normal sane people would interpret your comment as referring to daughters.
Yep. But then we are talking abut our resident village idiot who
imagines that he has a machine gun, a tank and a direct line to ASIO....
Petzl
2020-05-04 05:43:27 UTC
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No I didn't
I have no daughters
you've been telling porky pies again
??  I thought it was him who'd mentioned daughters with PhDs who had
turned on a washing machine when the plumber was working????
Fran is spinning, twisting of course lying,
never said daughters
I said my Girls both have Phd's.
An oblique reference to daughters, wives (plural), concubines, what?
Normal sane people would interpret your comment as referring to daughters.
Yep. But then we are talking abut our resident village idiot who
imagines that he has a machine gun, a tank and a direct line to ASIO....
The men in al families all have in defense of their woman had to face
the same villagers as Doctor Frankenstein had to
https://is.gd/4SS5Lg
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Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain
Dechucka
2020-05-04 06:09:33 UTC
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Post by Fran
Yep. But then we are talking abut our resident village idiot who
imagines that he has a machine gun, a tank and a direct line to ASIO....
The men in al families all have in defense of their woman had to face
the same villagers as Doctor Frankenstein had to
https://is.gd/4SS5Lg
They're witches?

Totally off topic I learnt what the recipe that the witches used in
MacBeth during a bit of COVID-19 reading. Library is out so it is
e-books now, has however widened my reading scope.

'Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg and howlet's wing,'

refer to herbs and plants
Petzl
2020-05-04 08:15:43 UTC
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Post by Fran
Yep. But then we are talking abut our resident village idiot who
imagines that he has a machine gun, a tank and a direct line to ASIO....
The men in al families all have in defense of their woman had to face
the same villagers as Doctor Frankenstein had to
https://is.gd/4SS5Lg
They're witches?
Totally off topic I learnt what the recipe that the witches used in
MacBeth during a bit of COVID-19 reading. Library is out so it is
e-books now, has however widened my reading scope.
'Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg and howlet's wing,'
refer to herbs and plants
Reckon Frans husband has to face this often!
https://is.gd/4SS5Lg
--
Petzl
Obama is like a guy who couldn't open a jar for 8 years,
and then Trump opens it and Obama says
"I loosened it for you"
Fran
2020-05-05 00:10:55 UTC
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Totally off topic I learnt what the recipe that the witches used in
MacBeth during a bit of COVID-19 reading. Library is out
My Library is still lending. Thankful for that small mercy am I.

so it is
Post by Dechucka
e-books now, has  however widened my reading scope.
'Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg and howlet's wing,'
refer to herbs and plants
Thank you for mentioning that. I've now been off googling.

In ye old worlde tongue, "Ass ear" meant comfrey. I've learnt lots of
other wonderful names. Who knew? Not me...

news18
2020-04-30 12:47:43 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of
the app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those
are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under
the Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a
correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin
place as that is significantly harder to change but as it
stands, the Determination gives the sort of protections that
were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then
legislation but accept your point as it would be political
suicide and would ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I
can't see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form
of guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination
gives the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to
change as it is a Ministerial Determination.
Post by Dechucka
No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation
to the app as promised. All we have is a determination that
Hunt may be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're
currently counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when
the app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but
Determination already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that
I can see it matters if either of those things happen for the
people who declare that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended
consequences are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get
the few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for
nefarious means and especially as its been reverse engineered now by
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-
the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know
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Post by Dechucka
To use their argument when it comes to security " If they have
nothing to hide then release the code"
:-)) Would you know what to do with it when/if it was released?.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
But I' still wasn't concerned before they did that as all info is
held on the phone.  That changes only to be accessible to the Health
people (or these mythical snoopers) after there has been
notification to a person's phone that they've been within that 1.5 m
range for 15 minutes of a covid-19 sufferer AND the contacted person
has subsequently given approval for their last 21 days of contact to
be uploaded.
The chances of that happening is fairly low anyway I think but to go
even further for someone to actually want to snoop on such info is,
IMO probably less than zero because it all promises to be boring in
the extreme. Phone message comes through: Minnie Mouse (really Fran)
was in contact with Mary Kathleen for 25 minutes on Tuesday the 3rd.
Go get a covid-19 test!  Big bloody deal!   Mary Kathleen has
already rung me and told me she has Covid-19!
But of course ASIO, ASIS, ASD, AGO, DIO find this info scintillating
and have hacked into the information at the State level and have
shared it with the rest of the Five Eyes.......  In a pig's ear....
You've called me a tin-hat wearing and paranoid but a prefer to  see
it as healthy cynicism about people in authority telling me this is
good for me and there is nothing to worry about.
Yes, I have heard what you've been saying BUT I can't understand why
you and others keep wittering on about how concerned you about
security. Ordog keeps his phone in a drawer so he is the only person
with a legitimate case to whinge and he hasn't done so.
Anyone who has a phone, uses it, has ever downloaded an app and/or
uses a computer (and especially has a Facebook page) is just being
unrealistic and precious in wittering on about privacy and security.
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Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place +
time has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
No I AM CORRECT Once the code has been looked at and the legislation
in place + time  has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
And absolutely nothing will have changed except YOUR mindset.
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Post by Fran
You might reconsider once you figure out that your life is as
interesting and event laden as mine and other apps on your phone and
your computer say far more interesting thing to spooks and scammers
than the few things that the app does.
Why give them another opportunity?
Because you're being irrational and illogical.
" and loving it"
LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
Don't bother, you'll still end up paying more. IME, Caltex always has the
nost exensive fuel.
Petzl
2020-04-30 13:59:31 UTC
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LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
Don't bother, you'll still end up paying more. IME, Caltex always has the
nost exensive fuel.
So far I have found Saltex/Woolworths only sell REAL fuel.
Many of the low cost variety put substitution for "petrol" they can
buy them for as low as 10 cents a litre and fucks your car engine.

You can tell when you are not burning fuel only by going to back of
car while it's running and see if it smells funny,
if it does you are not burning petrol!
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Petzl
"It is very easy to fool the people
but difficult to convince them that they HAVE been fooled!"
Xeno
2020-05-01 05:27:46 UTC
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LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
Don't bother, you'll still end up paying more. IME, Caltex always has the
nost exensive fuel.
So far I have found Saltex/Woolworths only sell REAL fuel.
Many of the low cost variety put substitution for "petrol" they can
buy them for as low as 10 cents a litre and fucks your car engine.
You can tell when you are not burning fuel only by going to back of
car while it's running and see if it smells funny,
if it does you are not burning petrol!
Around here, Caltex is one of the cheaper ones. The only ones lower are
United and Liberty. There is a little independent servo selling BP that
is lowest. It's the only one selling under $1.00.
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Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of
the app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those
are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under
the Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a
correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin
place as that is significantly harder to change but as it
stands, the Determination gives the sort of protections that
were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then
legislation but accept your point as it would be political
suicide and would ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I
can't see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form
of guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination
gives the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to
change as it is a Ministerial Determination.
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No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation
to the app as promised. All we have is a determination that
Hunt may be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're
currently counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when
the app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but
Determination already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that
I can see it matters if either of those things happen for the
people who declare that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended
consequences are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get
the few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for
nefarious means and especially as its been reverse engineered now by
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-
the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know
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To use their argument when it comes to security " If they have
nothing to hide then release the code"
:-)) Would you know what to do with it when/if it was released?.
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But I' still wasn't concerned before they did that as all info is
held on the phone.  That changes only to be accessible to the Health
people (or these mythical snoopers) after there has been
notification to a person's phone that they've been within that 1.5 m
range for 15 minutes of a covid-19 sufferer AND the contacted person
has subsequently given approval for their last 21 days of contact to
be uploaded.
The chances of that happening is fairly low anyway I think but to go
even further for someone to actually want to snoop on such info is,
IMO probably less than zero because it all promises to be boring in
the extreme. Phone message comes through: Minnie Mouse (really Fran)
was in contact with Mary Kathleen for 25 minutes on Tuesday the 3rd.
Go get a covid-19 test!  Big bloody deal!   Mary Kathleen has
already rung me and told me she has Covid-19!
But of course ASIO, ASIS, ASD, AGO, DIO find this info scintillating
and have hacked into the information at the State level and have
shared it with the rest of the Five Eyes.......  In a pig's ear....
You've called me a tin-hat wearing and paranoid but a prefer to  see
it as healthy cynicism about people in authority telling me this is
good for me and there is nothing to worry about.
Yes, I have heard what you've been saying BUT I can't understand why
you and others keep wittering on about how concerned you about
security. Ordog keeps his phone in a drawer so he is the only person
with a legitimate case to whinge and he hasn't done so.
Anyone who has a phone, uses it, has ever downloaded an app and/or
uses a computer (and especially has a Facebook page) is just being
unrealistic and precious in wittering on about privacy and security.
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Post by Dechucka
Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place +
time has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
No I AM CORRECT Once the code has been looked at and the legislation
in place + time  has occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
And absolutely nothing will have changed except YOUR mindset.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
You might reconsider once you figure out that your life is as
interesting and event laden as mine and other apps on your phone and
your computer say far more interesting thing to spooks and scammers
than the few things that the app does.
Why give them another opportunity?
Because you're being irrational and illogical.
" and loving it"
LOL. You old curmudgeon!
Today I'm going to continue to live dangerously as I'm going to download
the NRMA 10% discount app for use at Caltex servos. I don't have the
source code for that either.
Don't bother, you'll still end up paying more. IME, Caltex always has the
nost exensive fuel.
We're nto so poor that we need to buy fuel at the cheapest places. We
are happy to use Caltex or BP.
jonz
2020-04-28 08:00:29 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are
Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under the
Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app
by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place
as that is significantly harder to change but as it stands, the
Determination gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then legislation
but accept your point as it would be political suicide and would
ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't
see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of
guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination gives
the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as it
is a Ministerial Determination.
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No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to
the app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may
be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when the
app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but Determination
already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that I can see it
matters if either of those things happen for the people who declare
that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended consequences
are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
True, but I really do doubt that anyone is (or will be) out to get the
few bits of info the app will give or crack into it for nefarious means
and especially as its been reverse engineered now by a number of techies
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/not-sure-whether-to-install-the-government-s-covidsafe-app-here-s-everything-we-know
But I' still wasn't concerned before they did that as all info is held
on the phone. That changes only to be accessible to the Health people
(or these mythical snoopers) after there has been notification to a
person's phone that they've been within that 1.5 m range for 15 minutes
of a covid-19 sufferer AND the contacted person has subsequently given
approval for their last 21 days of contact to be uploaded.
The chances of that happening is fairly low anyway I think but to go
even further for someone to actually want to snoop on such info is, IMO
probably less than zero because it all promises to be boring in the
extreme. Phone message comes through: Minnie Mouse (really Fran) was in
contact with Mary Kathleen for 25 minutes on Tuesday the 3rd. Go get a
covid-19 test! Big bloody deal! Mary Kathleen has already rung me and
told me she has Covid-19!
But of course ASIO, ASIS, ASD, AGO, DIO find this info scintillating and
have hacked into the information at the State level and have shared it
with the rest of the Five Eyes....... In a pig's ear....
Post by Dechucka
Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place + time has
occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
Correction: You might reconsider once you figure out that your life is
as interesting and event laden as mine and other apps on your phone and
your computer say far more interesting thing to spooks and scammers than
the few things that the app does.
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Here is is a couple of them:

Do security experts still have concerns about the COVIDSafe app?
Security experts do still have concerns about the COVIDSafe app. As for whether those security concerns should stop you from installing the app, experts say it really depends on your individual circumstances. Here's why.

Last week, before the app was released, The Feed spoke to privacy expert Professor Dali Kaafar, who is the Executive Director of the Optus Macquarie University Cyber Security Hub. Professor Kaafar outlined a number of the privacy concerns raised by an app like COVIDSafe, many of which still apply to the app today.

One key concern raised by Kaafar and other experts is the fact that data collected by the app will be uploaded to a central server. As Professor Kaafar told The Feed, whoever has access to the central server of an app like this has access to a huge amount of information. If that server is hacked, or accessed by someone malicious, there's a lot they can do with this information.

Read more:
Covid - 19
Privacy experts are concerned about the government’s coronavirus tracing app. Here’s why.
Since the app's release, other privacy experts like ANU Associate Professor Vanessa Teague have pointed out other concerning information that the app records and shares. For instance, the Australian app stores the make and model of the different phones and devices it encounters in plain text, readable to anyone with access to the phone and a little tech savvy.

"Although it may seem innocuous, the exact phone model of a person's contacts could be extremely revealing information," Teague and colleagues wrote in a blog post on Monday.

"Suppose for example that a person wishes to understand whether another person whose phone they have access to has visited some particular mutual acquaintance. The controlling person could read the (plaintext) logs of COVID Safe and detect whether the phone models matched their hypothesis."

"Although not very useful for suggesting a particular identity, it would be very valuable in confirming or refuting a theory of having met with a particular person."


Vanessa Teague
@VTeagueAus
New blog post with best-effort analysis of decompiled Covid Safe App.https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing …

Joint work with @chrisculnane @noneuclideangrl and @rgmerk.#covid19australia #COVID19au #auspol


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Professor Kaafar is also concerned that the central authority may receive more information than a user realises. As Kaafar explained, if Person A is diagnosed with coronavirus and consents to upload their contacts, they may reveal that they recently hung out with Person B and Person C. The central authority now knows that Person B and Person C met, but neither of those people are necessarily aware that this information has been shared.

This, Professor Kaafar says, is where individual circumstances come in.

"This information might not really be sensitive for lots of people, but it might be really important for others. For example, two politicians from two different political parties who are meeting, or a journalist and a politician meeting."

Professor Kaafar says that many of these privacy issues could be fixed by relatively small changes to the app; an international coalition of experts has also pointed out that it's possible to create a tracing app that does not upload information to a central authority at all.

Until those changes are made, Professor Kaafar told The Feed he personally will not be installing the app, but he's not quite sure what to advise other Australians to do.

"Whether I would be recommending installing it or not, I really don't know -- I actually find it to be a really tricky question," he said.

"I think the government has taken some privacy considerations into perspective, but it didn't hit some of the major ones. It did try to have some good intentions, though, for example to make sure that the location is not collected, and that the data will definitely be removed after 21 days."

"I think one important thing is that privacy is very personal. Some co-location information might be really sensitive for some people, and for others it might be completely irrelevant."

"I can't really give a binary recommendation here, but I will be sitting and waiting. We need a little more transparency on the tech and legislative aspects."

Should I install COVIDSafe?
Here's the upshot. The COVIDSafe app was rushed for a reason: we're in the midst of a pandemic. If we want to start opening up society again, being able to quickly identify anyone who may have been exposed to a new case of COVID-19 is crucial.

If enough Australians download this app and use it correctly, it's possible that it will really help out in this regard. But in order for the app to be effective, the government says at least 40 per cent of Australians need to be using it, if not more. That's close to 10 million people who need to sign up; as of Monday evening, we have just shy of two million.

Your personal decision about whether to use the app will probably hinge on what privacy means to you -- and as Professor Kaafar stressed, this is a personal call.

"What frustrates me the most in this sort of debate is putting this as a dilemma between 'helping people' and 'privacy'," he said. "It's really very bad to be positioning this as if people who care about privacy are selfish, while the others are okay."

David Vaile is the Stream lead for data protection and surveillance at the Allens Hub for Technology, Law and Innovation at UNSW. "In principle for something like this that potentially creates a centralised store of social graph information, reliant on legal and technical fixes for protection, you would advise caution," he said. "The public health concerns are however also very important, which is why it is hard."

If you ultimately decide that COVIDSafe isn't for you right now, remember that there's potential for plenty of this to change as the app is updated and improved. We'll keep you posted as that happens.

People in Australia must stay at least 1.5 metres away from others and gatherings are limited to two people unless you are with your family or household.

If you believe you may have contracted the virus, call your doctor (don't visit) or contact the national Coronavirus Health Information Hotline on 1800 020 080. If you are struggling to breathe or experiencing a medical emergency, call 000.

SBS is committed to informing Australia's diverse communities about the latest COVID-19 developments. News and information is available in 63 languages at sbs.com.au/coronavirus.
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2020-05-04 16:22:34 UTC
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BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the
app by the Government will be enacted - sometime.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020L00480
Unless Greg Hunt can pass legislation by himself those are Regulations.
No, it's not a Regulation.
or more importantly Legislation. I read the Explanatory
Statement and you are correct it is a determination under the
Biosecurity Act 2015
My point stands
Sure it does.......
"BTW the legislation ensuring privacy and proper use of the app
by the Government will be enacted - sometime." is a correct comment.
Not necessarily.  They have said there will be legislation and
that will probably happen, and it'd be better if it wa sin place
as that is significantly harder to change but as it stands, the
Determination gives the sort of protections that were promised.
I disagree because it can be rescinded much easier then legislation
but accept your point as it would be political suicide and would
ruin the app's usage if it was rescinded.
??????  I said that legislation will probably happen and I was
making no point about the Determination being rescinded.  I can't
see any reason for that to happen.  It's jsut another form of
guarantee.  I was trying to tell you that the Determination gives
the same protection as legislation BUT, it IS easier to change as it
is a Ministerial Determination.
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No
Post by Dechucka
Legislation has been put in place by Parliament in relation to
the app as promised. All we have is a determination that Hunt may
be able to withdraw as easily as HE put it in place.
Indeed, he can change it easily at any time but you're currently
counting chickens where you only have eggs.
I'm just pointing out that the promised legislation and the
promised code are both going to be delivered in the future when the
app, obviously, is on people's phones
And I was pointing out that legislation may happen but Determination
already does what Legislation may cover.  Not that I can see it
matters if either of those things happen for the people who declare
that they won't be downloading it anyway.
just makes.me feel happier with my decision not to download it
:-))  You look fetching in that tin foil hat.
No paranoia it is just that we haven't been given the information
promised and given this governments track record with implementing
computer systems I wouldn't trust them till the unintended consequences
are discovered.
Remember it's not paranoia if THEY are out to get you
Once the code has been looked at and the legislation in place + time has
occurred to iron out any problems I may reconsider.
I do not trust them either but until the pubs come back and trivia
starts again my phone is never near another for 15 minutes [except
neighbor and i will probably know if he gets it ]
Petzl
2020-04-26 21:36:13 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
The APP is out now.
When you go to hospital the first thing they check is your mobile
Don't have the APP you stay in containment
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Petzl
The good news is that the Hydroxychloroquine should save your life from the Covid-19.
The bad news is that you will be proving President Trump right.
Dechucka
2020-04-26 21:41:10 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
The APP is out now.
Have you just figured that out
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When you go to hospital the first thing they check is your mobile
Why would they do that. you of course have a cite for this.
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Don't have the APP you stay in containment
Excellent, hospitals are nasty germ ridden places so isolation will be great
Petzl
2020-04-26 21:50:47 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
The APP is out now.
Have you just figured that out
Post by Petzl
When you go to hospital the first thing they check is your mobile
Why would they do that. you of course have a cite for this.
Koch on Channel 7 asked the Health Minister, who said the Hospitals
are the only ones who can access it
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Don't have the APP you stay in containment
Excellent, hospitals are nasty germ ridden places so isolation will be great
Well depends what containment they end up doing.
In Wuhan China. if "they" thought you had it you ended up contained in
a body bag and sent to crematorium alive.
The medical staff were that scared of it.
https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/cremated-alive-truth-about-viral-video/3955324/
https://is.gd/4t9IM1
A POPULAR viral video in which a Wuhan woman claims she witnessed
critically ill coronavirus patients being cremated alive is "false
information", fact checkers say.

In the video circulating on social media this week, the woman - filmed
sitting in the back of a car apparently having returned from hospital
- described how she witnessed patients in the room next door being
sealed up in body bags.
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Petzl
The good news is that the Hydroxychloroquine should save your life from the Covid-19.
The bad news is that you will be proving President Trump right.
Dechucka
2020-04-26 21:58:02 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
The APP is out now.
Have you just figured that out
Post by Petzl
When you go to hospital the first thing they check is your mobile
Why would they do that. you of course have a cite for this.
Koch on Channel 7 asked the Health Minister, who said the Hospitals
are the only ones who can access it
Interesting as the Ministered said it is the State Health Dept. However
that is totally irrelevant to your claim "When you go to hospital the
first thing they check is your mobile"
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Don't have the APP you stay in containment
Excellent, hospitals are nasty germ ridden places so isolation will be great
Well depends what containment they end up doing.
In Wuhan China. if "they" thought you had it you ended up contained in
a body bag and sent to crematorium alive.
I know you're a fanboi of the Chinese one party totalitarian State and
the idea of crematoriums burning bodies give you a hard on thinking
about the holocaust but I don't think that will happen here
Fran
2020-04-27 03:07:22 UTC
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Koch on Channel 7 asked the Health Minister, who said the Hospitals
are the only ones who can access it
Interesting
Nope, not the least bit interesting. Can you recall any occasion when
the village idiot ever managed to accurately report anything he's seen,
heard or read?
Fran
2020-04-27 03:05:01 UTC
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Don't have the APP you stay in containment
Jesus wept! How does such a fuckwit manage to go through life and be so
oblivious to everything going on around him?
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Excellent, hospitals are nasty germ ridden places so isolation will be great
He needs to be locked up in a secure place where the criminally insane
are kept.
b***@topmail.co.nz
2020-04-27 01:12:48 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
The app has been de-compiled and put online at:
https://filebin.net/486770fgu6pw4y7f
Nerds are still arguing over about it. Probably still need the actual source
to be sure.
McCoy
2020-04-27 09:06:15 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
Backdown Barnaby is against the app. He assured us that someone somewhere is/will be hacking into the app . He obviously values his privacy heaps; maybe he has lots of girlfriends (one of whom bore him a child some yrs ago).
Releasing the source code will make the hackers' job easier.
Dechucka
2020-05-03 02:41:58 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo says
it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been looked
at and checked.
This doesn't increase my confidence in the app and the information stored
Home affairs data breach may have exposed personal details of 700,000
migrants
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/home-affairs-data-breach-may-have-exposed-personal-details-of-700000-migrants/ar-BB13vwYi
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2020-05-03 02:54:34 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo
says it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been
looked at and checked.
This doesn't increase my confidence in the app and the information stored
???? Which info on the app are you so concerned about?
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Home affairs data breach may have exposed personal details of 700,000
migrants
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/home-affairs-data-breach-may-have-exposed-personal-details-of-700000-migrants/ar-BB13vwYi
Dechucka
2020-05-03 02:56:46 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo
says it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's
been looked at and checked.
This doesn't increase my confidence in the app and the information stored
????  Which info on the app are you so concerned about?
The people I spend 15 minutes with.
Post by Dechucka
Home affairs data breach may have exposed personal details of 700,000
migrants
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/home-affairs-data-breach-may-have-exposed-personal-details-of-700000-migrants/ar-BB13vwYi
news18
2020-05-03 03:34:50 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo
says it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been
looked at and checked.
This doesn't increase my confidence in the app and the information stored
???? Which info on the app are you so concerned about?
your phone number allows more data matching to you and the data is not
secure.
Petzl
2020-05-03 07:51:24 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo
says it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been
looked at and checked.
This doesn't increase my confidence in the app and the information stored
???? Which info on the app are you so concerned about?
your phone number allows more data matching to you and the data is not
secure.
Not with blue tooth. wouldn't be hard to set up a laptop to receive
information from any Mobile with the APP

What you get
• Registration information: a name, mobile phone number, age range and
post code.
• Close contact information: encrypted reference code, date and time,
proximity and duration of contact.
• App logs: app performance, troubleshooting and error data.
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Petzl
Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within
Fran
2020-05-04 05:10:19 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo
says it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been
looked at and checked.
This doesn't increase my confidence in the app and the information stored
???? Which info on the app are you so concerned about?
your phone number allows more data matching to you and the data is not
secure.
How exactly is that going to work and who do you imagine is going to do
this?
Ned Latham
2020-05-04 05:47:29 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo
says it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's been
looked at and checked.
This doesn't increase my confidence in the app and the information stored
Which info on the app are you so concerned about?
your phone number allows more data matching to you and the data is not
secure.
How exactly is that going to work and who do you imagine is going to do
this?
How exactly do you fail to understand what telephone numbers are, Pig?
news18
2020-05-04 05:48:40 UTC
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We were told that the source code would be released for independent
analysis so people could see that it was all above board. Now SloMo
says it will be published in a couple of weeks, maybe, after it's
been looked at and checked.
This doesn't increase my confidence in the app and the information stored
???? Which info on the app are you so concerned about?
your phone number allows more data matching to you and the data is not
secure.
How exactly is that going to work and who do you imagine is going to do
this?
Shrug, you either understand "data matching" or you don't.
Hint, yu gave an example from your stalking before.
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