On Apr 21, 6:16 pm, "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF"
Post by Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF Post by AStext
Maybe KSM, the poor killer without a conscience that you are
infatuated with, should have been instead rendered to China as an
outsourcing, since they do these things so much better and for real?
With the added plus that it would never, ever be revealed to the
That's actually a pretty good idea. I wonder if they'll take Malcum Fabian.
We can only hope. Perhaps Rudd the Rude could arrange it with his
handler the Chinese propaganda minister?
Post by Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF Post by AStext
But then, that wouldn't suit your obsessive anti western bigotry,
Arselifters and their dhimmis are like that.
He definitely seems like a dhimmi, the way he carries on quibbling and
carping and trying to excuse his masters for their atrocities.
But let's have more on the actual topic at hand, shall we?
The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands
by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that
the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader
Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding --
caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to
thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks
on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon,
you will know.”
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department
memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the
thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to
use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a
building in Los Angeles.”
KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the
United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the
Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.
After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially
cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda
leader named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named
Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by
the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other
“enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation,
dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but
not to water-boarding.)
This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of
waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA
interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained
the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High
Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a
terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators
that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt
or deny this attack’; and ‘[o]ther interrogation methods have failed
to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for
preventing the attack.’”
The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an
Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent
to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.
Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation
that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only
uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the
American people to defend themselves.
“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to
obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and
Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice
Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief
that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and
would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists
from succeeding in their goals.’ Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced
techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any
answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you
After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became
cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al
Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian
terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style
attack on Los Angeles.
The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in
this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General
Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel
for the CIA.
“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced
techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the
‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked
airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.
“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to
the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the
discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked
with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically,
we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of
money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently
identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in
turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The
information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to
pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s
brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-
Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell.
With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali
confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”
A CIA spokesman confirmed to CNSNews.com today that the CIA stands by
the factual assertions made here.
In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s
Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the
intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason
why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West
since 11 September 2001.”