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A positive Christmas Message from Islam
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fasgnadh
2007-12-23 02:53:37 UTC
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"Letter instills new hope"
- Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007

"AT year's end, positive news deserves reflection.
And doubly so when it concerns inter-faith relations.

We frequently hear the voices of hatred and division,
the racist bigots in Usenet, the radio shock jocks,
ranting media populists, and those individuals whose
extreme views make them 'newsworthy'.

But what do the leaders of the broader community say?

"On October 13,138 Muslim scholars and leaders sent
a letter to the world's most influential Christian
leaders, calling on them to join in making peace and harmony.

With Christians and Muslims constituting about 55 per
cent of humanity, the very survival of the world depends
on it and "our very eternal souls" are at stake if we
fail to try."

A friend tells me that the interfaith dialogue between
Christians and Muslims has dramatically increased in
the past few years. After 14 centuries of enmity, it
is good to see the family healing its feud.

"Titled A Common Word between Us and You, the 29-page
letter emphasised that Islam and Christianity have their
two most foundational principles in common: the love of
God and the love of one's neighbor.

http://www.acommonword.com/

This, the letter insisted, means "the basis for . .
. peace and understanding already exists".

Muslim factions which otherwise agree on nothing were
able to agree on this."

What I enjoy about Waqleed is that he is a fierce critic
of his own community.. as the scriptures say "Remove the
beam from thine own eye before you remove the mote from
your brother's" Amen to that!

"The timing was symbolic: at the end of the sacred month
of Ramadan, and about a year after various Muslims reacted
with despicable violence to the Pope's now infamous
Regensburg address in which he quoted a medieval text
describing Islam as "evil and inhuman".

It is encouraging that the Pope replied to express
"deep appreciation" for the letter, inviting a
delegation of the signatories to meet him."

Ratsinger is problematic, even to many Catholics, but
he cannot undo the Church's doctrine stated by
Pope Paul VI, without undoing the Catholics theological
position on Papal infallibility:

# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."


It is not the biggest news story of 2007, but
it gives me hope."

Well founded hope, this is the age of All Things Made New,

Peace and Joy, brother ...Peace and Joy!


* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html

* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html

* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html

* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html

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fasgnadh
2007-12-23 04:17:35 UTC
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"Faith in our diversity"
- Anton Block, Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007

"AT this time of year, it is appropriate to reflect on
the progress that has been made in bringing people
from different religions and backgrounds together.

The Jewish Community Council of Victoria (JCCV) is
the umbrella body for Victoria's Jewish community.

Victoria's Jewish community, like the wider community
itself, is diverse and highly multicultural."

We should note that multicultural is not a dirty word
to the minority religions, or the minority ethnicities,
and it is treasured by those who have experience
persecution of dominant majority cultures for centuries!

Those of us in the dominant majority culture show our
hospitality, our consideration for the fears and feelings
of others, by telling them that all of us live under One Law,
and within that Law, they are Free to believe and worship as
they will.


"Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, The Lord is One"

"La illaha illa-Allah"


"The JCCV is committed to bringing groups and people
within the wider community together through inter-faith
projects and activities."

As are all people of goodwill.

"We believe it is no longer sufficient to simply read
and learn in abstract about other religions."

Precisely. The unknown is feared. And fear leads
to hate, and hate to violence.

We do not have to BECOME each other, merely to
"Love thy Neighbour" and you cannot love that which
you do not know.

Anti-Semites are people who have no Jewish friends. I do.

Islamophobes are those who have no Muslim friends. I do.

I feel so ineffably sad for those who are so clearly consumed
by their own ignorance and fear that they see all Jews, or
all Muslims, through a glass of fear and ignorance, darkly.

"The best way to promote tolerance is to encounter
other religions."

If you want your street to be a community, share a BBQ, or
a street party, or even better a working bee. Greet your
new Chinese neighbours, ask if they need anything, or the
Sikhs in their turbans, ...if you want a foot tapping religious
service that you cannot help but respond to viscerally, visit
a Gurdwara, a Sikh temple, I can promise you, you will be made
welcome, and the one I visited, the Guru Nanak Gurdwara, had the
words of their service projected on two large screens by Data
Video Projectors by an old bearded Sihk with a laptop, sitting
behind the live musicians, the text in English and two other
languages.. so you are not excluded from what is going on,
...but INCLUDED in the worship, if you wish.

I had read little of the Sikh sacred texts, the Guru Granth
Sahib, but this made them so accessible, I found them
familiar and beautiful.

It makes you think, does my congregation welcome strangers
so warmly and so fully?

Then I was invited to share a vegetarian meal, cooked in a
stainless steel kitchen and served on stainless steel plates,
by the men ,.... (Be careful grabbing the metal tea cup by
the base, it is bloody hot!" B^D

I have not become a Sikh, but Sikhs have become my friends..
and I now know we worship the the same God;

"“There is only one God, He is the Creator, Sustainer and Destroyer”

"The JCCV has been the driving force for numerous
inter-faith projects.

We are proud to have organised projects where Jews,
Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and other religions
meet and socialise."

And where can be the harm in that?

The ranting bigots puzzle me, where do
they get the energy for so much hate? It
is such hard work, and no fun at all! B^D

"These are days where synagogues can be visited by
Muslims and Christians, where Ramadan functions
are attended by Jews and where religious dancing
takes place at inter-faith dinners."

I remember, during the international TV link up
for the New Millennium, Jewish and Arab youth
were dancing together in the street at the foot
of Mt Carmel.. the beginning of the Promise
made centuries ago...

"It is important to recognise that at some stage
we or our ancestors were all new to Australia.

The multicultural success story that is Victoria
can only remain possible by celebrating difference.

We wish all readers a safe and prosperous festive
season."

Shalom and Salaam, brother..


http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=peaceprayers&t_t=6


* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html

* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html

* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html

* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html
Post by fasgnadh
"Letter instills new hope"
- Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007
"AT year's end, positive news deserves reflection.
And doubly so when it concerns inter-faith relations.
We frequently hear the voices of hatred and division,
the racist bigots in Usenet, the radio shock jocks,
ranting media populists, and those individuals whose
extreme views make them 'newsworthy'.
But what do the leaders of the broader community say?
"On October 13,138 Muslim scholars and leaders sent
a letter to the world's most influential Christian
leaders, calling on them to join in making peace and harmony.
With Christians and Muslims constituting about 55 per
cent of humanity, the very survival of the world depends
on it and "our very eternal souls" are at stake if we
fail to try."
A friend tells me that the interfaith dialogue between
Christians and Muslims has dramatically increased in
the past few years. After 14 centuries of enmity, it
is good to see the family healing its feud.
"Titled A Common Word between Us and You, the 29-page
letter emphasised that Islam and Christianity have their
two most foundational principles in common: the love of
God and the love of one's neighbor.
http://www.acommonword.com/
This, the letter insisted, means "the basis for . .
. peace and understanding already exists".
Muslim factions which otherwise agree on nothing were
able to agree on this."
What I enjoy about Waqleed is that he is a fierce critic
of his own community.. as the scriptures say "Remove the
beam from thine own eye before you remove the mote from
your brother's" Amen to that!
"The timing was symbolic: at the end of the sacred month
of Ramadan, and about a year after various Muslims reacted
with despicable violence to the Pope's now infamous
Regensburg address in which he quoted a medieval text
describing Islam as "evil and inhuman".
It is encouraging that the Pope replied to express
"deep appreciation" for the letter, inviting a
delegation of the signatories to meet him."
Ratsinger is problematic, even to many Catholics, but
he cannot undo the Church's doctrine stated by
Pope Paul VI, without undoing the Catholics theological
# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."
It is not the biggest news story of 2007, but
it gives me hope."
Well founded hope, this is the age of All Things Made New,
Peace and Joy, brother ...Peace and Joy!
* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html
* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html
* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html
* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html
---------

"They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears
into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore." — Isaiah 2:4 & Micah 4:3

---------

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fasgnadh
2007-12-24 02:28:03 UTC
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This Is the UNESCO Year of Rumi. I can't believe my luck!

"In 1207 a man was born in Afghanistan. 800 years later
he's hailed as a poet who transcends the boundaries of
all religions, and yet expresses their very essence.
He's known simply as Rumi." - Rachael Kohn

"All day I think about it, and then at night I say it.
Where did I come from, and what am I supposed to be doing?
I have no idea.
My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that,
and I intend to end up there.
This drunkenness began in some other tavern.
When I get back around to that place, I'll be completely sober.
Meanwhile I'm like a bird from another continent,
sitting in this aviary.
The day is coming when I fly off.
But who is it now in my ear who hears my voice?
Who looks out of these eyes, who speaks these words with my mouth?
What is the soul?
I cannot stop asking.
If I could taste one sip of an answer I could break out of this prison
for drunks.
I didn't come here of my own accord, and I can't leave that way.
Let whoever brought me here take me back.
This poetry ..I never know what I'm going to say next.
When I'm outside the speaking of it,
I'm very quiet and rarely talk at all."




Rumi was a refugee, driven from his home by the
invading Mongol hordes of Genghis Khan, and yet he
is a light which shines down through the centuries:

I have quoted this one many times on the Internet, it
is the one of the most ecstatic descriptions of transcendence
and ranks with Eugene O'Neil's poetic account of Epiphany;

'The clear bead at the centre changes everything.
There are no edges to my loving now.
They say there is a window that opens from one mind to another,
but if there's no wall,
there's no need for fitting the window or the latch.'



Rumi was prolific, composing over 45,000 verses which
sound so modern one would think they were written yesterday,
and which Rumi himself described as 'tripe'. B^D



This one was recited, set to music, by Ashley Ramsden, who
frequently performs Rumi to a blues guitar accompaniement;

On resurrection day, your body testifies against you.
On resurrection day your body will testify against you.
Your hands say 'I stole money',
your lips, 'I said mean things'.
Your feet, 'I went where I shouldn't'.
Your genitals 'Me too'.
They will make our praying sound hypocritical.
Let the body's deeds speak openly now without our saying a word.
As a student, walking behind a teacher says,
'That one knows better than me the way,
oh, that one knows better than me the way.'

- Jalal-u-Din Rumi



For those of you interested in such things have a listen
to it performed on Rachel Kohn's 'The Spirit of Things'

Spiritual Classics: Rumi II 2 December 2007

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/stories/2007/2102543.htm#transcript
Post by fasgnadh
"Faith in our diversity"
- Anton Block, Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007
"AT this time of year, it is appropriate to reflect on
the progress that has been made in bringing people
from different religions and backgrounds together.
The Jewish Community Council of Victoria (JCCV) is
the umbrella body for Victoria's Jewish community.
Victoria's Jewish community, like the wider community
itself, is diverse and highly multicultural."
We should note that multicultural is not a dirty word
to the minority religions, or the minority ethnicities,
and it is treasured by those who have experience
persecution of dominant majority cultures for centuries!
Those of us in the dominant majority culture show our
hospitality, our consideration for the fears and feelings
of others, by telling them that all of us live under One Law,
and within that Law, they are Free to believe and worship as
they will.
"Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, The Lord is One"
"La illaha illa-Allah"
"The JCCV is committed to bringing groups and people
within the wider community together through inter-faith
projects and activities."
As are all people of goodwill.
"We believe it is no longer sufficient to simply read
and learn in abstract about other religions."
Precisely. The unknown is feared. And fear leads
to hate, and hate to violence.
We do not have to BECOME each other, merely to
"Love thy Neighbour" and you cannot love that which
you do not know.
Anti-Semites are people who have no Jewish friends. I do.
Islamophobes are those who have no Muslim friends. I do.
I feel so ineffably sad for those who are so clearly consumed
by their own ignorance and fear that they see all Jews, or
all Muslims, through a glass of fear and ignorance, darkly.
"The best way to promote tolerance is to encounter
other religions."
If you want your street to be a community, share a BBQ, or
a street party, or even better a working bee. Greet your
new Chinese neighbours, ask if they need anything, or the
Sikhs in their turbans, ...if you want a foot tapping religious
service that you cannot help but respond to viscerally, visit
a Gurdwara, a Sikh temple, I can promise you, you will be made
welcome, and the one I visited, the Guru Nanak Gurdwara, had the
words of their service projected on two large screens by Data
Video Projectors by an old bearded Sihk with a laptop, sitting
behind the live musicians, the text in English and two other
languages.. so you are not excluded from what is going on,
...but INCLUDED in the worship, if you wish.
I had read little of the Sikh sacred texts, the Guru Granth
Sahib, but this made them so accessible, I found them
familiar and beautiful.
It makes you think, does my congregation welcome strangers
so warmly and so fully?
Then I was invited to share a vegetarian meal, cooked in a
stainless steel kitchen and served on stainless steel plates,
by the men ,.... (Be careful grabbing the metal tea cup by
the base, it is bloody hot!" B^D
I have not become a Sikh, but Sikhs have become my friends..
and I now know we worship the the same God;
"“There is only one God, He is the Creator, Sustainer and Destroyer”
"The JCCV has been the driving force for numerous
inter-faith projects.
We are proud to have organised projects where Jews,
Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and other religions
meet and socialise."
And where can be the harm in that?
The ranting bigots puzzle me, where do
they get the energy for so much hate? It
is such hard work, and no fun at all! B^D
"These are days where synagogues can be visited by
Muslims and Christians, where Ramadan functions
are attended by Jews and where religious dancing
takes place at inter-faith dinners."
I remember, during the international TV link up
for the New Millennium, Jewish and Arab youth
were dancing together in the street at the foot
of Mt Carmel.. the beginning of the Promise
made centuries ago...
"It is important to recognise that at some stage
we or our ancestors were all new to Australia.
The multicultural success story that is Victoria
can only remain possible by celebrating difference.
We wish all readers a safe and prosperous festive
season."
Shalom and Salaam, brother..
http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=peaceprayers&t_t=6
* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html
* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html
* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html
* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html
Post by fasgnadh
"Letter instills new hope"
- Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007
"AT year's end, positive news deserves reflection.
And doubly so when it concerns inter-faith relations.
We frequently hear the voices of hatred and division,
the racist bigots in Usenet, the radio shock jocks,
ranting media populists, and those individuals whose
extreme views make them 'newsworthy'.
But what do the leaders of the broader community say?
"On October 13,138 Muslim scholars and leaders sent
a letter to the world's most influential Christian
leaders, calling on them to join in making peace and harmony.
With Christians and Muslims constituting about 55 per
cent of humanity, the very survival of the world depends
on it and "our very eternal souls" are at stake if we
fail to try."
A friend tells me that the interfaith dialogue between
Christians and Muslims has dramatically increased in
the past few years. After 14 centuries of enmity, it
is good to see the family healing its feud.
"Titled A Common Word between Us and You, the 29-page
letter emphasised that Islam and Christianity have their
two most foundational principles in common: the love of
God and the love of one's neighbor.
http://www.acommonword.com/
This, the letter insisted, means "the basis for . .
. peace and understanding already exists".
Muslim factions which otherwise agree on nothing were
able to agree on this."
What I enjoy about Waqleed is that he is a fierce critic
of his own community.. as the scriptures say "Remove the
beam from thine own eye before you remove the mote from
your brother's" Amen to that!
"The timing was symbolic: at the end of the sacred month
of Ramadan, and about a year after various Muslims reacted
with despicable violence to the Pope's now infamous
Regensburg address in which he quoted a medieval text
describing Islam as "evil and inhuman".
It is encouraging that the Pope replied to express
"deep appreciation" for the letter, inviting a
delegation of the signatories to meet him."
Ratsinger is problematic, even to many Catholics, but
he cannot undo the Church's doctrine stated by
Pope Paul VI, without undoing the Catholics theological
# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."
It is not the biggest news story of 2007, but
it gives me hope."
Well founded hope, this is the age of All Things Made New,
Peace and Joy, brother ...Peace and Joy!
* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html
* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html
* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html
* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html
---------

"They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears
into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore." — Isaiah 2:4 & Micah 4:3

---------

"Where there is no vision, the people perish." - Proverbs 29:18

---------


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Seon Ferguson
2007-12-23 06:49:06 UTC
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*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
Arthur Brain
2007-12-23 08:50:24 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.

This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.

Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.

It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Staydar
2007-12-23 08:56:53 UTC
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Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Fags' simplistic and jingoistic approach shows he has no real understanding
of the mission of Islam.

His lifestyle would be the first they would wipe out.
Praetorian
2007-12-23 23:36:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Staydar
Fags' simplistic and jingoistic approach shows he has no real
understanding of the mission of Islam.
His lifestyle would be the first they would wipe out.
Indeed.

He seems to think that if he can curry favour with them now, he'll be okay
when his hoped-for "revolution" (islamic, communist, anything will do for
old Fags. That's how much he hates the society that nurtures him right now)
comes and he'll present records of his Usenet posing to his new overlords
and masters.
--
"Don't believe everything you think".
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 02:27:39 UTC
Permalink
A positive Christmas message from each of four
religions in Australia was posted, they are all
typical of the new Universalism, the attitude of
separate religions that all of the worlds faiths
have a single spiritual goal at their core.

Hindu Prayer for Peace
Oh God, lead us from the unreal to the Real.
Oh God, lead us from darkness to light.
Oh God, lead us from death to immortality.
Shanti, Shanti, Shanti unto all.

O Lord God Almighty may there be peace in Celestial regions.
May there be peace on earth.
May the waters be appeasing.
May herbs be wholesome, and may trees and plants bring peace to all.
May all beneficent beings bring peace to us.
May thy Vedic Law propagate peace all through the world.

May all things be a source of peace to us.
And may thy peace itself bestow peace on all.
And may that peace come to me also.

Buddhist Prayer for Peace
May all beings everywhere plagued with sufferings of body and mind
quickly be freed from their illnesses.
May those frightened cease to be afraid
and may those bound be free.
May the powerless find power,
and may people think of befriending one another.
May those who find themselves in trackless,
fearful wildernesses - the children, the aged, the unprotected - be
guarded by beneficent celestials,
and may they quickly attain Buddhahood.

Zoroastrian Prayer for Peace
We pray to God to eradicate all the misery in the world:
that understanding triumph over ignorance,
that generosity triumph over indifference,
that trust triumph over contempt, and
that truth triumph over falsehood.

Jainist Prayer for Peace
Peace and Universal Love is the essence of the Gospel preached by all
the Enlightened Ones.
The Lord has preached that equanimity is the Dharma.
Forgive do I, creatures all,
and let all creatures forgive me.
Unto all have I amity, and unto none enmity.
Know that violence is the root cause of all miseries in the world.
Violence in fact, is the knot of bondage.
"Do not injure any living being."
This is the eternal, perennial, and unalterable
way of spiritual life.

A weapon, howsoever powerful it may be,
can always be superseded by a superior one;
but no weapon can, however,
be superior to non-violence and love.

Jewish Prayer for Peace
Come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, that we may walk the
paths of the most high.
And we shall beat our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into
pruning hooks.
Nations shall not lift up sword against nation - neither shall they
learn war any more.
And none shall be afraid, for the mouth of the Lord of Hosts has spoken.

Shinto Prayer for Peace
Although the people living across the ocean surrounding us, I believe,
are all our brothers and sisters, why are there constant troubles in
this world?
Why do winds and waves rise in the ocean surrounding us?
I only earnestly wish that the wind will soon puff away all the clouds
which are hanging over the tops of the mountains.

Native African Prayer for Peace
Almighty God, the Great Thumb
we cannot evade to tie any knot:
The Roaring Thunder that splits mighty trees;
the all-seeing Lord up on high who sees
even the footprints of an antelope on a rock mass here on earth.
You are the one who does not hesitate to respond to our call.
You are the cornerstone of peace.

Native American Prayer for Peace
O Great spirit of our Ancestors, I raise my pipe to you;
To your messengers in the four winds, and
to Mother Earth who provides for your children.
Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love, to respect, and to be
kind to each other, so that they may grow with peace in mind.

Let us learn to share all good things that you provide for us on this Earth.

Muslim Prayer for Peace
In the name of Allah the beneficent, the merciful. Praise be to the Lord
of the Universe, who has created us and made us into tribes and nations
that we may know each other, not that we may despise each other.
If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou also incline towards peace,
and trust God, for the Lord is the one that heareth and knoweth all things.
And the servants of God, most Gracious are those who walk on the earth
in Humility, and when we address them, we say "PEACE."

The Baha'i Prayer for Peace
Be generous in prosperity and thankful in adversity.
Be fair in thy judgment, and guarded in thy speech.
Be a lamp unto those who walk in darkness, and a home
to the stranger.
Be eyes to the blind, and a guiding light unto the feet of the erring.
Be a breath of life to the body of humankind, a dew upon the soil of the
human heart,
and a fruit upon the tree of humility.

Sikh prayer for Peace
God adjudges us according to our deeds, not the clothes that we wear;
That truth is above everything, but higher still is truthful living.
Know that we attain God when we love, and only that victory endures in
consequences of which no one is defeated.

Christian Prayer for Peace
Blessed are the Peacemakers
for they shall be known as the Children of God.
But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate
you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.
To those who strike you on the cheek offer the other also, and from
those who take away your cloak, do not withhold your coat as well.
Give to everyone who begs from you, and of those who take away your
goods, do not aks them again.
And as you wish that others would to do you,
do so to them.

SACRED OFFICE OF PEACE

Hindu Prayer
Oh God, lead us from the unreal to the Real.
Oh God, lead us from darkness to light.
Oh God, lead us from death to immortality.
Shanti, Shanti, Shanti unto all.

Buddhist Prayer
May all beings everywhere plagued with sufferings of body and mind
quickly be freed from their illnesses.
May all beings swiftly attain Buddhahood.

Zoroastrian Prayer
We pray to God that understanding will triumph over ignorance, that
generosity will triumph over indifference,
that trust will triumph over contempt,
and that truth will triumph over falsehood.

Jainist Prayer
Peace and universal love is the essence of all the Gospels.
Forgive do I creatures all,
and let all creatures forgive me.

Jewish Prayer
Oh come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
that we may walk the paths of the Most High.
And we will beat our swords into ploughshares
and our spears into pruning hooks.

Shinto Prayer
We earnestly wish that the wind will soon puff away
all the clouds hanging over the tops of the mountains.

Native African Prayer
For you are one who does not hesitate to respond to our call, you are
the cornerstone of peace.

Native American Prayer
Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and to be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.

Muslim Prayer
Praise be to the Lord of the Universe,
who has created us and made us into tribes and nations
that we may know each other,
not despise each other.

Baha'i Prayer
Be a breath of life unto the body of humankind,
a dew upon the soil of the human heart,
and a fruit upon the tree of humility.

Sikh Prayer
Know that we attain God when we love,
and only that victory endures in consequence of which
no one is defeated.

Christian Prayer
Love your enemies,
do good to those who hate you,
bless those who curse you,
pray for those who abuse you.
Blessed be the Peacemakers,
for they shall be called the Children of God.
Post by Praetorian
Post by Staydar
Fags' simplistic and jingoistic approach shows he has no real
understanding of the mission of Islam.
His lifestyle would be the first they would wipe out.
Indeed.
He seems to think that if he can curry favour with them now, he'll be okay
when his hoped-for "revolution" (islamic, communist, anything will do for
old Fags. That's how much he hates the society that nurtures him right now)
comes and he'll present records of his Usenet posing to his new overlords
and masters.
That is 100% lies, from those who have misunderstood the clear
meaning of Taqiyyah - the White Lie everyone understands from
childhood.

I do not curry favour with anyone.. which is why I am attacked
by BOTH Islamofascists and Zionazis, but not by Muslims and Jews.

Let those slandering liars Staydar and Prateorian, find in the
Usenet archives a condemnation of the Taliban by them, earlier
than my own! I was denouncing those medieval mullahs in Afghanistan
long before September 11!

Post it or be dammned as LIARS, you gutless COWARDS!

I have consistently condemned Islamofascist violence.
AND DO SO HERE, AGAIN!

What now of that posturing fraud, Prateroain, and his
pathetic lies about me! B^D

He is typical of the coward who whispers slander against the truth.




What I refuse to do, while condemning extremists, is to blame ALL
Christians for witchburning or Iraq, or blame ALL Muslims for 16 Saudi
suicide pilots... that is the sole preserve of ignorant, child killing,
extremist bigots no different from the Islamofascists, like Praetorian.

pffft



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B J Foster
2007-12-24 03:34:14 UTC
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fasgnadh wrote:
...
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Praetorian
Post by Staydar
Fags' simplistic and jingoistic approach shows he has no real
understanding of the mission of Islam.
His lifestyle would be the first they would wipe out.
Indeed.
He seems to think that if he can curry favour with them now, he'll be
okay when his hoped-for "revolution" (islamic, communist, anything
will do for old Fags. That's how much he hates the society that
nurtures him right now) comes and he'll present records of his Usenet
posing to his new overlords and masters.
That is 100% lies, from those who have misunderstood the clear
meaning of Taqiyyah - the White Lie everyone understands from
childhood.
I do not curry favour with anyone.. which is why I am attacked
by BOTH Islamofascists and Zionazis, but not by Muslims and Jews.
Let those slandering liars Staydar and Prateorian, find in the
Usenet archives a condemnation of the Taliban by them, earlier
than my own! I was denouncing those medieval mullahs in Afghanistan
long before September 11!
Post it or be dammned as LIARS, you gutless COWARDS!
I have consistently condemned Islamofascist violence.
AND DO SO HERE, AGAIN!
What now of that posturing fraud, Prateroain, and his
pathetic lies about me! B^D
He is typical of the coward who whispers slander against the truth.
Praetorian, half-a-brain, pixel and the other brainless neo-Nazi body
parts posting in this newsgroup have the aim of polarising us and
whipping up hatred. This goal is identical to the goal of terrorism
which seeks to polarise people and stir up conflict. Stable, civilised
societies specifically reject extremists - at either end - and from our
perspective they are the same, whichever end they live at. In the final
analysis, they are the same - pathetic little hate-mongers trying to
create war and conflict.
Post by fasgnadh
What I refuse to do, while condemning extremists, is to blame ALL
Christians for witchburning or Iraq, or blame ALL Muslims for 16 Saudi
suicide pilots... that is the sole preserve of ignorant, child killing,
extremist bigots no different from the Islamofascists, like Praetorian.
pffft
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Seon Ferguson
2007-12-23 09:01:44 UTC
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Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews. I
guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give them an
excuse to hate them.
Arthur Brain
2007-12-23 21:44:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
...and intellectually-deficient relativist university-arseholes always
equate criticism of anything jewish as "anti-semitism".

Yes, the Torah is another document underpinning a crappy unreformed
religion which teaches its adherents a nasty form of suprematism and
excuses violence and lies.
B J Foster
2007-12-23 22:12:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
...and intellectually-deficient relativist university-arseholes always
equate criticism of anything jewish as "anti-semitism".
Why did you drop out?
Post by Arthur Brain
Yes, the Torah is another document underpinning a crappy unreformed
religion which teaches its adherents a nasty form of suprematism and
excuses violence and lies.
Jewish professor give you an 'F'?
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 01:05:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
...and intellectually-deficient relativist university-arseholes always
equate criticism of anything jewish as "anti-semitism".
Why did you drop out?
Post by Arthur Brain
Yes, the Torah is another document underpinning a crappy unreformed
religion which teaches its adherents a nasty form of suprematism and
excuses violence and lies.
Jewish professor give you an 'F'?
Wow so anyone who criticises the Torah is anti Semite? now I know how Arther
and the others felt when I thought they were racists.
B J Foster
2007-12-24 01:29:58 UTC
Permalink
...
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Arthur Brain
Yes, the Torah is another document underpinning a crappy unreformed
religion which teaches its adherents a nasty form of suprematism and
excuses violence and lies.
Jewish professor give you an 'F'?
Wow so anyone who criticises the Torah is anti Semite? now I know how
Arther and the others felt when I thought they were racists.
Most people are well aware that it is a religious text, but is halfa?
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 01:04:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
...and intellectually-deficient relativist university-arseholes always
equate criticism of anything jewish as "anti-semitism".
Yes, the Torah is another document underpinning a crappy unreformed
religion which teaches its adherents a nasty form of suprematism and
excuses violence and lies.
Oh good so your not just picking on Islam here. Yeah I thought you were a
Zionist or something so I used anti semite so you wouldnt think I hated the
Jews or anything, which I dont. I just think if we pick on one religion that
says its ok to lie to non believers we should pick on all the religions that
say it.
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 02:06:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
It is, but Arf'a and the other bigots ignore the meaning of Taqiyyah;

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially when it
is a half truth, held by a half wit with Arf'a Brain.

Taqqiyah is dissimulation to protect Muslims when confronted
by evildoers.. westerners are very familiar with this concept,
when the Nazis kicked in the local Mayor's door and demanded
"Where are the Jews you are hiding.", many brave gentiles denied
they were hiding any Jews.

To lie to protect your family from a madman, or a Jewish stranger
from the Nazis, is Taqqiyah. It is NOT HYPOCRISY, but the exact
opposite of hypocrisy.. a higher truth.

Taqiyyah is NOT lying to cheat or gain advantage over 'infidels',
anymore than "This is my blood, drink it in remembrance of me"
is cannibalism.
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
For similar purposes, of safety?

Please cite the references.
Post by Arthur Brain
...and intellectually-deficient relativist university-arseholes always
equate criticism of anything jewish as "anti-semitism".
In your case they would be on the money.

You are definitely a bigot.

Aren't you proud of it any more?
Post by Arthur Brain
Yes, the Torah is another document underpinning a crappy unreformed
religion which teaches its adherents a nasty form of suprematism and
excuses violence and lies.
The Torah is the basis of the Old Testament..

So you dismiss all the Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity,
Islam and the Bahai's.

Thank's for YOUR Christmas message! B^D


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Arthur Brain
2007-12-24 14:33:09 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
Taqqiyah is dissimulation to protect Muslims when confronted
by evildoers..
OK, so please explain why you are trying to dress up some letter
written by some muslims in October as a "christmas message"? Taqqiyah?
Praetorian
2007-12-23 23:36:03 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews. I
guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give them
an excuse to hate them.
You mean like the way Fags tries to demonise Australians who aren't willing
(as he is) to submit to the mohomadean cult?
--
"Don't believe everything you think".
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 01:06:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Praetorian
Post by Seon Ferguson
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give
them an excuse to hate them.
You mean like the way Fags tries to demonise Australians who aren't
willing (as he is) to submit to the mohomadean cult?
--
Which "fags" have done that? I doupt homosexuals would endorce Islam. In
Iran they stone gay people.
Hunter01
2007-12-24 04:22:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Praetorian
Post by Seon Ferguson
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non
Jews. I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order
to give them an excuse to hate them.
You mean like the way Fags tries to demonise Australians who aren't
willing (as he is) to submit to the mohomadean cult?
--
Which "fags" have done that? I doupt homosexuals would endorce Islam. In
Iran they stone gay people.
You're new here aren't you 8]... Fags is a reference to Fasgnadh,
resident greenleft activist, butt-boy to terrorists, supporter of
Pedophiles as long as they're Aboriginal, hater of all things sane and
paid member of the "Whites are guilty for everything, we should all bend
over and give everything we own away" club.

He's the opposite end of the spectrum to people like Pretzl and every
bit as insane.
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 07:21:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Praetorian
Post by Seon Ferguson
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non
Jews. I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to
give them an excuse to hate them.
You mean like the way Fags tries to demonise Australians who aren't
willing (as he is) to submit to the mohomadean cult?
--
Which "fags" have done that? I doupt homosexuals would endorce Islam. In
Iran they stone gay people.
You're new here aren't you 8]... Fags is a reference to Fasgnadh, resident
greenleft activist, butt-boy to terrorists, supporter of Pedophiles as
long as they're Aboriginal, hater of all things sane and paid member of
the "Whites are guilty for everything, we should all bend over and give
everything we own away" club.
He's the opposite end of the spectrum to people like Pretzl and every bit
as insane.
Ah good thats not me so I dont have to worry. I guess I'm more in the
middle.
Hunter01
2007-12-24 11:41:03 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
You're new here aren't you 8]... Fags is a reference to Fasgnadh,
resident greenleft activist, butt-boy to terrorists, supporter of
Pedophiles as long as they're Aboriginal, hater of all things sane and
paid member of the "Whites are guilty for everything, we should all
bend over and give everything we own away" club.
He's the opposite end of the spectrum to people like Pretzl and every
bit as insane.
Ah good thats not me so I dont have to worry. I guess I'm more in the
middle.
Don't get me wrong (despite my bait above which he didn't bite on), Che
(another term for the same entity) does have his moments of brilliance,
and I reckon his heart is probly in the right place, but unfortunately
he is extremely dogmatic about his pet crusades. This becomes readily
apparent when you see him defend everything Labor does, everything
Aboriginals do and anything any other minority races/religions do,
regardless of whether or not there is a correlation (to the group
itself, or a small subset of that group using their membership of said
group as justification for their acts).

Personally I prefer to call a beer a beer, it is every bit as wrong to
portray everything as shiny and glowing about a group as it is to
mindlessly hate a group for the actions of a few within the group.

You spend a bit of time here you'll rapidly learn what topics to take
him seriously on and what topics to just ignore him on! 8]
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 22:17:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hunter01
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
You're new here aren't you 8]... Fags is a reference to Fasgnadh,
resident greenleft activist, butt-boy to terrorists, supporter of
Pedophiles as long as they're Aboriginal, hater of all things sane and
paid member of the "Whites are guilty for everything, we should all bend
over and give everything we own away" club.
He's the opposite end of the spectrum to people like Pretzl and every
bit as insane.
Ah good thats not me so I dont have to worry. I guess I'm more in the
middle.
Don't get me wrong (despite my bait above which he didn't bite on), Che
(another term for the same entity) does have his moments of brilliance,
and I reckon his heart is probly in the right place, but unfortunately he
is extremely dogmatic about his pet crusades. This becomes readily
apparent when you see him defend everything Labor does, everything
Aboriginals do and anything any other minority races/religions do,
regardless of whether or not there is a correlation (to the group itself,
or a small subset of that group using their membership of said group as
justification for their acts).
Personally I prefer to call a beer a beer, it is every bit as wrong to
portray everything as shiny and glowing about a group as it is to
mindlessly hate a group for the actions of a few within the group.
You spend a bit of time here you'll rapidly learn what topics to take him
seriously on and what topics to just ignore him on! 8]
Me to and a spade a spade. I support ALP to though but I disagree with Rudd
about the anti terror laws. Technically Howard brought them in but he wont
demolish them.
Hunter01
2007-12-26 09:30:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
Don't get me wrong (despite my bait above which he didn't bite on),
Che (another term for the same entity) does have his moments of
brilliance, and I reckon his heart is probly in the right place, but
unfortunately he is extremely dogmatic about his pet crusades. This
becomes readily apparent when you see him defend everything Labor
does, everything Aboriginals do and anything any other minority
races/religions do, regardless of whether or not there is a
correlation (to the group itself, or a small subset of that group
using their membership of said group as justification for their acts).
Personally I prefer to call a beer a beer, it is every bit as wrong to
portray everything as shiny and glowing about a group as it is to
mindlessly hate a group for the actions of a few within the group.
You spend a bit of time here you'll rapidly learn what topics to take
him seriously on and what topics to just ignore him on! 8]
Me to and a spade a spade. I support ALP to though but I disagree with
Rudd about the anti terror laws. Technically Howard brought them in but
he wont demolish them.
It's getting to a point in the world that we need them in some form or
another, if people are inconvenienced by them, or people who openly
choose to knock around with and/or be trained by terrorists get
persecuted under them, I don't care. If it stops one building full of
innocent people being blown to hell I think Australia can put up with
it. Not like those being persecuted are angels in any way shape or form.
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-26 09:34:27 UTC
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Post by Hunter01
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
Don't get me wrong (despite my bait above which he didn't bite on), Che
(another term for the same entity) does have his moments of brilliance,
and I reckon his heart is probly in the right place, but unfortunately
he is extremely dogmatic about his pet crusades. This becomes readily
apparent when you see him defend everything Labor does, everything
Aboriginals do and anything any other minority races/religions do,
regardless of whether or not there is a correlation (to the group
itself, or a small subset of that group using their membership of said
group as justification for their acts).
Personally I prefer to call a beer a beer, it is every bit as wrong to
portray everything as shiny and glowing about a group as it is to
mindlessly hate a group for the actions of a few within the group.
You spend a bit of time here you'll rapidly learn what topics to take
him seriously on and what topics to just ignore him on! 8]
Me to and a spade a spade. I support ALP to though but I disagree with
Rudd about the anti terror laws. Technically Howard brought them in but
he wont demolish them.
It's getting to a point in the world that we need them in some form or
another, if people are inconvenienced by them, or people who openly choose
to knock around with and/or be trained by terrorists get persecuted under
them, I don't care. If it stops one building full of innocent people being
blown to hell I think Australia can put up with it. Not like those being
persecuted are angels in any way shape or form.
I just noticed you use iinet as well.
The world was getting on just fine without them. In fact Howard caught those
people planning a terrorist attack in beautiful Sydney days before he
introduced them. Holding people without charges and not leting them tell
their families where they are is the type of thing that goes on in facist
police state's, not Australia.
Hunter01
2007-12-31 01:14:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
It's getting to a point in the world that we need them in some form or
another, if people are inconvenienced by them, or people who openly
choose to knock around with and/or be trained by terrorists get
persecuted under them, I don't care. If it stops one building full of
innocent people being blown to hell I think Australia can put up with
it. Not like those being persecuted are angels in any way shape or form.
I just noticed you use iinet as well.
The world was getting on just fine without them. In fact Howard caught
those people planning a terrorist attack in beautiful Sydney days before
he introduced them. Holding people without charges and not leting them
tell their families where they are is the type of thing that goes on in
facist police state's, not Australia.
That's why I said "in some form or another", whilst I think that police
should be able to hold suspected terrorists without charge for a longer
period than standard crims, and incommunicado to prevent them letting
the cat out of the bag to their buddies who for all you know have say
rocket launchers in the back room ready to fire on our buildings, I
don't agree that the police should have discretion on this. This should
require a court order after placing enough proof in front of the courts
to justify this, that way everything becomes documented and transparent,
and misuse of these powers would become highly unlikely.

Also I think that becoming a member of and training with a terrorist
army should be something that puts you away for a long time, fucking
Hicks has admitted all of the above, whether or not he fired a shot
should be irrelevant. This country is morally fucked when it can jail
someone for money crimes longer than an immoral shit-stain that was
training to be a terrorist murderer as Hicks was.
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-31 02:33:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hunter01
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
It's getting to a point in the world that we need them in some form or
another, if people are inconvenienced by them, or people who openly
choose to knock around with and/or be trained by terrorists get
persecuted under them, I don't care. If it stops one building full of
innocent people being blown to hell I think Australia can put up with
it. Not like those being persecuted are angels in any way shape or form.
I just noticed you use iinet as well.
The world was getting on just fine without them. In fact Howard caught
those people planning a terrorist attack in beautiful Sydney days before
he introduced them. Holding people without charges and not leting them
tell their families where they are is the type of thing that goes on in
facist police state's, not Australia.
That's why I said "in some form or another", whilst I think that police
should be able to hold suspected terrorists without charge for a longer
period than standard crims, and incommunicado to prevent them letting the
cat out of the bag to their buddies who for all you know have say rocket
launchers in the back room ready to fire on our buildings, I don't agree
that the police should have discretion on this. This should require a
court order after placing enough proof in front of the courts to justify
this, that way everything becomes documented and transparent, and misuse
of these powers would become highly unlikely.
Also I think that becoming a member of and training with a terrorist army
should be something that puts you away for a long time, fucking Hicks has
admitted all of the above, whether or not he fired a shot should be
irrelevant. This country is morally fucked when it can jail someone for
money crimes longer than an immoral shit-stain that was training to be a
terrorist murderer as Hicks was.
That's the kind of thing they do in fascist dictatorships not in a
Democratic and free country like Australia. I think suspected terrorists
should be arrested of course but they should be charged with being a
suspected terrorist. They should also have the same rights other prisoners
have like the right to one phone call. If we fight terrorism by taking away
peoples rights the terrorists have already won.
Also in regards to Hicks I'll ask what I ask everyone else (who have not
given me a good answer) and that is: what international law says its against
the law to train with alquadea (and it has to be one before 911)
Hicks was a retard for supporting the Taliban, a evil government who
oppresses women but there is no laws against being a retard or stupid. If
there was Bush would be serving 33 life sentences.
Hunter01
2007-12-31 06:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
That's why I said "in some form or another", whilst I think that
police should be able to hold suspected terrorists without charge for
a longer period than standard crims, and incommunicado to prevent them
letting the cat out of the bag to their buddies who for all you know
have say rocket launchers in the back room ready to fire on our
buildings, I don't agree that the police should have discretion on
this. This should require a court order after placing enough proof in
front of the courts to justify this, that way everything becomes
documented and transparent, and misuse of these powers would become
highly unlikely.
Also I think that becoming a member of and training with a terrorist
army should be something that puts you away for a long time, fucking
Hicks has admitted all of the above, whether or not he fired a shot
should be irrelevant. This country is morally fucked when it can jail
someone for money crimes longer than an immoral shit-stain that was
training to be a terrorist murderer as Hicks was.
That's the kind of thing they do in fascist dictatorships not in a
Democratic and free country like Australia.
I don't agree, an intelligent country reacts to threats that are
present, and doesn't bury it's head in the sand. Do you know that during
WWII Germans, Italians and in particular Japanese, many of whom were
citizens of this country, were interned and locked away on the slightest
suspicion that they may have been feeding information to the enemy? Not
something I'd like to ever see happen again, but was necessary and
justified at the time. The world is not a theoretical place of
perfection, it's a place where everything can't always be nice.

In the case of what I suggested above people would not be interned at
the sniff of an oily rag, the police would have to present evidence to
justify the suspicion to a court before such powers could be invoked,
and at that point, if there is enough evidence for the courts to feel
this is justified, we would be stupid to allow said suspect to make a
phone call to warn the rest of his mob who are quite likely going to
scatter and come back to blow up women and children another day.
Post by Seon Ferguson
I think suspected terrorists
should be arrested of course but they should be charged with being a
suspected terrorist.
You can't charge someone with being a suspected terrorist, you can
charge them with being a terrorist, which means enough evidence needs to
be present to do so. If enough evidence is there to prove valid
suspicion, even if not enough to prove guilt and allow for a charge to
be laid as yet, this is where a court should be able to invoke the
powers mentioned above, to give the police time to do what they need to
do to capture anyone else involved, stop any plot to blow people up, and
hopefully from that gather enough evidence to then jail all of those
involved. It's not like the organised crime scenario where we can afford
to let them walk free time and time again until the evidence sticks.
Post by Seon Ferguson
They should also have the same rights other
prisoners have like the right to one phone call. If we fight terrorism
by taking away peoples rights the terrorists have already won.
Don't agree, if we sit back and blindly stick to principles that
Australia has many times in the past had to temper with wisdom (such as
in both World Wars) at time of need for the protection of the country,
that is when they have won. We might as well give them the key to the
front door.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Also in regards to Hicks I'll ask what I ask everyone else (who have not
given me a good answer) and that is: what international law says its
against the law to train with alquadea (and it has to be one before 911)
When he is doing something as disgusting and immoral as he was doing I
have absolutely no problem at all with retrospective laws. In the case
of Hicks however he was still serving with a terrorist organisation at
the time of his capture, which was well after S11.

Two Hindu terrorists who are members of the Tamil Tigers were charged
back in May, and are facing up to 25 years in jail. Hicks should be
subject to the same treatment, he is no less guilty just because he's a
white Aussie good 'ol boy. He's not special because the media portrayed
him as hardly done by and sucked in the majority of the media drones out
there. He is every bit as evil as these two Tamil Tigers are, and should
face the same justice if we are not to be perceived as two-faced and
bigoted in our sentencing.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Hicks was a retard for supporting the Taliban, a evil government who
oppresses women but there is no laws against being a retard or stupid.
If there was Bush would be serving 33 life sentences.
And Saddam would have had 33 death sentences hanging over him, but
that's all academic now in his case! 8]
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-31 07:57:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
That's why I said "in some form or another", whilst I think that police
should be able to hold suspected terrorists without charge for a longer
period than standard crims, and incommunicado to prevent them letting
the cat out of the bag to their buddies who for all you know have say
rocket launchers in the back room ready to fire on our buildings, I
don't agree that the police should have discretion on this. This should
require a court order after placing enough proof in front of the courts
to justify this, that way everything becomes documented and transparent,
and misuse of these powers would become highly unlikely.
Also I think that becoming a member of and training with a terrorist
army should be something that puts you away for a long time, fucking
Hicks has admitted all of the above, whether or not he fired a shot
should be irrelevant. This country is morally fucked when it can jail
someone for money crimes longer than an immoral shit-stain that was
training to be a terrorist murderer as Hicks was.
That's the kind of thing they do in fascist dictatorships not in a
Democratic and free country like Australia.
I don't agree, an intelligent country reacts to threats that are present,
and doesn't bury it's head in the sand. Do you know that during WWII
Germans, Italians and in particular Japanese, many of whom were citizens
of this country, were interned and locked away on the slightest suspicion
that they may have been feeding information to the enemy? Not something
I'd like to ever see happen again, but was necessary and justified at the
time. The world is not a theoretical place of perfection, it's a place
where everything can't always be nice.
They were held as POW's and held legally. the supreme court in America found
Hicks was being held ilegally. Plus they werent tortured and were treated a
hell of a lot better then the enemy treated the diggers.
In the case of what I suggested above people would not be interned at the
sniff of an oily rag, the police would have to present evidence to justify
the suspicion to a court before such powers could be invoked, and at that
point, if there is enough evidence for the courts to feel this is
justified, we would be stupid to allow said suspect to make a phone call
to warn the rest of his mob who are quite likely going to scatter and come
back to blow up women and children another day.
Then monitor the phone call. I dont care what anyone has done if someone has
been locked up they have the right to tell their family where they are. How
would you like it if it was one of your family members or even you and you
couldnt tell your loved one's where you are?
Post by Seon Ferguson
I think suspected terrorists should be arrested of course but they should
be charged with being a suspected terrorist.
You can't charge someone with being a suspected terrorist, you can charge
them with being a terrorist, which means enough evidence needs to be
present to do so. If enough evidence is there to prove valid suspicion,
even if not enough to prove guilt and allow for a charge to be laid as
yet, this is where a court should be able to invoke the powers mentioned
above, to give the police time to do what they need to do to capture
anyone else involved, stop any plot to blow people up, and hopefully from
that gather enough evidence to then jail all of those involved. It's not
like the organised crime scenario where we can afford to let them walk
free time and time again until the evidence sticks.
Well charge them with being a terrorist. If there's no evidence let them go.
You dont keep suspected bank robbers in jail for 14 days so the police can
gather the evidence, do you?
Post by Seon Ferguson
They should also have the same rights other prisoners have like the right
to one phone call. If we fight terrorism by taking away peoples rights
the terrorists have already won.
Don't agree, if we sit back and blindly stick to principles that Australia
has many times in the past had to temper with wisdom (such as in both
World Wars) at time of need for the protection of the country, that is
when they have won. We might as well give them the key to the front door.
YEs we did fight for this freedom but I just dont believe we should give it
up just because of a threat of terrorism.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Also in regards to Hicks I'll ask what I ask everyone else (who have not
given me a good answer) and that is: what international law says its
against the law to train with alquadea (and it has to be one before 911)
When he is doing something as disgusting and immoral as he was doing I
have absolutely no problem at all with retrospective laws. In the case of
Hicks however he was still serving with a terrorist organisation at the
time of his capture, which was well after S11.
Well where's the law saying he cant?
Two Hindu terrorists who are members of the Tamil Tigers were charged back
in May, and are facing up to 25 years in jail. Hicks should be subject to
the same treatment, he is no less guilty just because he's a white Aussie
good 'ol boy. He's not special because the media portrayed him as hardly
done by and sucked in the majority of the media drones out there. He is
every bit as evil as these two Tamil Tigers are, and should face the same
justice if we are not to be perceived as two-faced and bigoted in our
sentencing.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Hicks was a retard for supporting the Taliban, a evil government who
oppresses women but there is no laws against being a retard or stupid. If
there was Bush would be serving 33 life sentences.
And Saddam would have had 33 death sentences hanging over him, but that's
all academic now in his case! 8]
Thank God I didnt like Saddam one bit/
Hunter01
2008-01-04 23:20:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
I don't agree, an intelligent country reacts to threats that are
present, and doesn't bury it's head in the sand. Do you know that
during WWII Germans, Italians and in particular Japanese, many of whom
were citizens of this country, were interned and locked away on the
slightest suspicion that they may have been feeding information to the
enemy? Not something I'd like to ever see happen again, but was
necessary and justified at the time. The world is not a theoretical
place of perfection, it's a place where everything can't always be nice.
They were held as POW's and held legally. the supreme court in America
found Hicks was being held ilegally. Plus they werent tortured and were
treated a hell of a lot better then the enemy treated the diggers.
They were not POW's, they were interned as possible security risks to
the nation under laws that were designed to combat possible terrorism
from people within the nation that were enacted at the time of the war.
Sound familiar?

As far as the yanks and Hicks, couldn't give a rat's arse what they
reckon or found or did, we're not them. WE should have laws in place to
put people away for a longgg time for being so fucked in the head that
they intentionally go out of their way to train to blow up women and
children, the intent is surely shown by the act of preparing for doing
such immoral shit.

He has admitted quite openly to supplying information about Westerner
traveling habits and translating manuals on terrorism into English, I'd
like to see the cunt executed for that alone, but that would perhaps be
a bit too extreme for a civilized society, well deserved I reckon, but
the do-gooders out there would have a fit.

As for Hicks being tortured, I'd be surprised if it's really all that
much different to what our local Perth cops do to suspects other than in
the duration of the treatment itself, and as far as I'm concerned
someone who is willing to blow up women and children deserves everything
he gets. I don't want our laws to protect scum like that, they already
protect enough scum like rapists and murderers and pedophiles, such as
the Labor minister pedophile recently released on parole even though he
refused to participate in any programs to stop him interfering with kids
again.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
In the case of what I suggested above people would not be interned at
the sniff of an oily rag, the police would have to present evidence to
justify the suspicion to a court before such powers could be invoked,
and at that point, if there is enough evidence for the courts to feel
this is justified, we would be stupid to allow said suspect to make a
phone call to warn the rest of his mob who are quite likely going to
scatter and come back to blow up women and children another day.
Then monitor the phone call. I dont care what anyone has done if someone
has been locked up they have the right to tell their family where they
are. How would you like it if it was one of your family members or even
you and you couldnt tell your loved one's where you are?
Monitoring the phone call doesn't cut it, "hey sarge, he just warned his
cell we're coming", "hrmmf, oh dear, spose we better cut him off then".

If they had enough evidence to prove to a court there are grounds to
isolate me pending further investigation into a situation where it looks
like I'm planning on blowing up a building full of people then if I were
guilty I'd deserve everything I got, and if I were innocent I'd accept
it happening to me, shit even another 20 people, if the 21st person was
stopped from blowing up a building full of hundreds of men, women and
children.

The art in this is not to blindly give police the power to do what they
like, nor to blindly demand Utopian equal rights for everyone no matter
what may be the result, the trick is to ensure there are enough checks
in place, such as the requirement for a court order, to ensure mistakes
are few and far between but the outcome when used successfully may be
the saving of hundreds or thousands of lives. I reckon the balance in
such a case would weight heavily in the favour of Australian society and
morality.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
You can't charge someone with being a suspected terrorist, you can
charge them with being a terrorist, which means enough evidence needs
to be present to do so. If enough evidence is there to prove valid
suspicion, even if not enough to prove guilt and allow for a charge to
be laid as yet, this is where a court should be able to invoke the
powers mentioned above, to give the police time to do what they need
to do to capture anyone else involved, stop any plot to blow people
up, and hopefully from that gather enough evidence to then jail all of
those involved. It's not like the organised crime scenario where we
can afford to let them walk free time and time again until the
evidence sticks.
Well charge them with being a terrorist. If there's no evidence let them
go. You dont keep suspected bank robbers in jail for 14 days so the
police can gather the evidence, do you?
Suspected bank robbers aren't a risk of blowing up hundreds or thousands
of men, women and children. Different rules for different situations is
just basic logic. You don't jail a shoplifter for 12 years, but you do a
bank robber. Same thing.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
Don't agree, if we sit back and blindly stick to principles that
Australia has many times in the past had to temper with wisdom (such
as in both World Wars) at time of need for the protection of the
country, that is when they have won. We might as well give them the
key to the front door.
YEs we did fight for this freedom but I just dont believe we should give
it up just because of a threat of terrorism.
We wouldn't be giving it up though, we'd be taking action to protect it.
Some may suffer as a result but if handled correctly it would generally
be for the greater good. Many innocent people are being locked up by our
courts today, for many more years than cry-baby Hicks suffered for his
very real crimes, would you propose we abolish jail because of mistakes
made within that system?
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
When he is doing something as disgusting and immoral as he was doing I
have absolutely no problem at all with retrospective laws. In the case
of Hicks however he was still serving with a terrorist organisation at
the time of his capture, which was well after S11.
Well where's the law saying he cant?
That'd be the same law where two Hindu terrorists are looking at 25
years in jail each for breaking, which include being a member of a
terrorist organisation, which Hicks has continually freely admitted, and
to quite liking that "lovely" terrorist that enjoys blowing up women and
children with such glee. Any law that takes a cunt like that off our
streets for a long time is a good law.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
Two Hindu terrorists who are members of the Tamil Tigers were charged
back in May, and are facing up to 25 years in jail. Hicks should be
subject to the same treatment, he is no less guilty just because he's
a white Aussie good 'ol boy. He's not special because the media
portrayed him as hardly done by and sucked in the majority of the
media drones out there. He is every bit as evil as these two Tamil
Tigers are, and should face the same justice if we are not to be
perceived as two-faced and bigoted in our sentencing.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Hicks was a retard for supporting the Taliban, a evil government who
oppresses women but there is no laws against being a retard or
stupid. If there was Bush would be serving 33 life sentences.
And Saddam would have had 33 death sentences hanging over him, but
that's all academic now in his case! 8]
Thank God I didnt like Saddam one bit/
Neither did I, I really hoped that some good would come out of the
invasion of Iraq, namely the removal of that piece of filth and the
people being able to democratically govern themselves.

Unfortunately it seems the people there are in a large part too childish
and primitive to manage something as "complex" as getting along with
each other without the threat of a tyrant to force them to do so. It's a
sad thing when an entire country proves itself to be so primitive it
can't manage the basics of civilization without the threat of the gun. I
feel sorry for the millions of good people there that are now at the
mercy of the millions of cavemen that obviously also inhabit the
country. Appears Saddam was right about one thing, you can't give
democracy to children.
Hunter01
2007-12-24 04:18:56 UTC
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Post by Praetorian
Post by Seon Ferguson
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews. I
guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give them
an excuse to hate them.
You mean like the way Fags tries to demonise Australians who aren't willing
(as he is) to submit to the mohomadean cult?
Fags demonises any proud White Aussie, he feels it's a point to be
ashamed of. He's a loon that hates his own. You are only really
different in that you are a loon that demonises people who are not like you.

Most of us are quite capable of being proud of who we are without being
so insecure that we feel the need to hate anyone who is remotely different.
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 05:49:23 UTC
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Post by Praetorian
Post by Seon Ferguson
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews. I
guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give them
an excuse to hate them.
You mean like the way Fags tries to demonise Australians who aren't willing
(as he is) to submit to the mohomadean cult?
Yawn

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Hunter01
2007-12-24 04:14:18 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give
them an excuse to hate them.
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to
kill family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic
lunacy, so stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions.
If you want to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've
got to apply the same rule to all. The reality is though that the
majority of any religion are not insane enough to take their fairy tales
literally, it's only the brain-damaged few that do so.

Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith,
that of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier
place.
Doug
2007-12-24 04:32:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give
them an excuse to hate them.
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to kill
family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic lunacy, so
stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions. If you want
to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've got to apply the
same rule to all. The reality is though that the majority of any religion
are not insane enough to take their fairy tales literally, it's only the
brain-damaged few that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith, that
of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier place.
The single, *IMPORTANT* point being is that no Christians ACT on those
words anymore, while muslims still freely slaughter infidels (i.e. Sudan,
Darfur,
Turkey etc.).
Hunter01
2007-12-24 05:02:50 UTC
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Post by Doug
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to kill
family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic lunacy, so
stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions. If you want
to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've got to apply the
same rule to all. The reality is though that the majority of any religion
are not insane enough to take their fairy tales literally, it's only the
brain-damaged few that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith, that
of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier place.
The single, *IMPORTANT* point being is that no Christians ACT on those
words anymore,
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look
at the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 07:25:04 UTC
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Post by Doug
Post by Hunter01
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to
kill family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic
lunacy, so stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions.
If you want to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've
got to apply the same rule to all. The reality is though that the
majority of any religion are not insane enough to take their fairy tales
literally, it's only the brain-damaged few that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith,
that of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier
place.
The single, *IMPORTANT* point being is that no Christians ACT on those
words anymore,
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look at
the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved it and
God caused it"
Hunter01
2007-12-24 11:54:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
Post by Doug
Post by Hunter01
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one
to kill family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic
lunacy, so stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the
religions. If you want to judge one religion by the letter of their
book, you've got to apply the same rule to all. The reality is
though that the majority of any religion are not insane enough to
take their fairy tales literally, it's only the brain-damaged few
that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true
faith, that of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler
and happier place.
The single, *IMPORTANT* point being is that no Christians ACT on those
words anymore,
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look
at the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved it
and God caused it"
Jerry Falwell is a knob-gobbling piece of guttershite. He's just the
Christian version of what the Taliban and Al Queda are. Yanks can have
him, we've got enough problems with our own Christian terrorists like
Rev Danny Nalliah.

Who's Fred Phillips?
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 22:19:28 UTC
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Post by Hunter01
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
Post by Doug
Post by Hunter01
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to
kill family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic
lunacy, so stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the
religions. If you want to judge one religion by the letter of their
book, you've got to apply the same rule to all. The reality is though
that the majority of any religion are not insane enough to take their
fairy tales literally, it's only the brain-damaged few that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith,
that of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and
happier place.
The single, *IMPORTANT* point being is that no Christians ACT on those
words anymore,
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look
at the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved it
and God caused it"
Jerry Falwell is a knob-gobbling piece of guttershite. He's just the
Christian version of what the Taliban and Al Queda are. Yanks can have
him, we've got enough problems with our own Christian terrorists like Rev
Danny Nalliah.
Who's Fred Phillips?
Yep I agree. Fred Phillips (may have him mixed up) created the website
http://www.godhatesfags.com and he and his family go around to funerals of
dead soldiers and call them "fags" even the one's who have grieving widows.
I support people's right to protest but I just think causing the family
members of dead soldiers so much grief like that is totally un American.
FACE
2007-12-24 21:13:48 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:25:04 +1100, in uk.politics.misc, in thread Re:
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look at
the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved it and
God caused it"
I have bypassed it twice, but I ask you to learn the names of the people
that you name. (You got one right, but do you know that he apologized?)

FACE
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 22:20:30 UTC
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Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look at
the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved it and
God caused it"
I have bypassed it twice, but I ask you to learn the names of the people
that you name. (You got one right, but do you know that he apologized?)
Who Falwell or Phillips?
FACE
2007-12-24 22:36:25 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:20:30 +1100, in uk.politics.misc, in thread Re:
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look at
the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved it and
God caused it"
I have bypassed it twice, but I ask you to learn the names of the people
that you name. (You got one right, but do you know that he apologized?)
Who Falwell or Phillips?
I thought I gave you a hint. Anyway, Falwell is dead and the other you
mean is the primo nutcase Fred Phelps who claimed that Falwell was going
to hell.....

FACE
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-25 01:57:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look at
the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved it and
God caused it"
I have bypassed it twice, but I ask you to learn the names of the people
that you name. (You got one right, but do you know that he apologized?)
Who Falwell or Phillips?
I thought I gave you a hint. Anyway, Falwell is dead and the other you
mean is the primo nutcase Fred Phelps who claimed that Falwell was going
to hell.....
FACE
Wow imagine that the Religious right even hate each other. Is there any one
these guys dont hate?
Oh and I'm glad Falwell is dead. If I could afford it I would dance on his
grave.
FACE
2007-12-25 02:10:29 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:57:56 +1100, in uk.politics.misc, in thread Re:
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look at
the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved it and
God caused it"
I have bypassed it twice, but I ask you to learn the names of the people
that you name. (You got one right, but do you know that he apologized?)
Who Falwell or Phillips?
I thought I gave you a hint. Anyway, Falwell is dead and the other you
mean is the primo nutcase Fred Phelps who claimed that Falwell was going
to hell.....
FACE
Wow imagine that the Religious right even hate each other. Is there any one
these guys dont hate?
Oh and I'm glad Falwell is dead. If I could afford it I would dance on his
grave.
Phelps is a particularly nasty case who represents just about only
himself and has corralled his family into his sickness. His "church"
family literally consists of mostly of some of his blood relatives.

That's a really loving sentiment you have there about Falwell's
grave.............
Let me guess.....you're a 'peace and love' kumbaya liberal...........

FACE
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-25 06:30:25 UTC
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Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, "Seon Ferguson"
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Hunter01
Yes they do, you're deluding yourself if you believe that. Take a look
at
the former Yugoslavia and all over Africa for starters.
And look at the way Fred Phillips is causing greif to the families of
soldiers who died fighting for their country, or the greif Jerry Falwell
caused the familes of those who died on 911 by saying "they deserved
it
and
God caused it"
I have bypassed it twice, but I ask you to learn the names of the people
that you name. (You got one right, but do you know that he apologized?)
Who Falwell or Phillips?
I thought I gave you a hint. Anyway, Falwell is dead and the other you
mean is the primo nutcase Fred Phelps who claimed that Falwell was going
to hell.....
FACE
Wow imagine that the Religious right even hate each other. Is there any one
these guys dont hate?
Oh and I'm glad Falwell is dead. If I could afford it I would dance on his
grave.
Phelps is a particularly nasty case who represents just about only
himself and has corralled his family into his sickness. His "church"
family literally consists of mostly of some of his blood relatives.
That's a really loving sentiment you have there about Falwell's
grave.............
Let me guess.....you're a 'peace and love' kumbaya liberal...........
FACE
Yeah with a few exceptions. i despise those on the far left who, like
Falwell, said America deserved 911. Even if they appologised for it. I'm
alaso against those people who use 911 for politics. Eather to sell
conspiracy videos or for their own oil agenda.
Seon Ferguson
2007-12-24 07:23:44 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give
them an excuse to hate them.
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to kill
family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic lunacy, so
stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions. If you want
to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've got to apply the
same rule to all. The reality is though that the majority of any religion
are not insane enough to take their fairy tales literally, it's only the
brain-damaged few that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith, that
of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier place.
I agree but there is a reason to this. These so called holly books were
written in a time where this sort of thing is acceptible. Even the Koran was
written in the 4th century. I dont get why some Christains think its ok to
say Islam is a cult and encourages violence without giving the same
standards to their own "holly book"
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 07:26:24 UTC
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Post by Hunter01
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non
Jews. I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order
to give them an excuse to hate them.
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to
kill family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic
lunacy, so stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions.
The further back you go, the greater the problems with authenticity,
and the more caution required with literal interpretation and
the greater contextual understanding is required.

Religionists typically refer to their sacred texts as 'The Living Word
of God' and as few, if any, agnostic civilizations have lasted a
century, let alone a few millennia, it seems they are onto something!

The Living Word has a characteristic that most other texts do not seem
to possess, they are re-interpreted from age to age and new and relevant
meanings are found within.

This is not the same as Humpty Dumpty saying 'It Means what I choose
it to mean', although many do try that on.

Put simply it means that a text needs to be viewed in the context
of the time, and so an OT law which proscribes fornication and sets
the death penalty needs to be understood in terms of primitive
communications, and no DNA testing.
The laws are simple, so that all can understand and remember them,
you can't have a moral codicil as thick as the Australian Tax Act
in 1000 BC because a) there is no paper and b) no one can read and
c) it's too complex to remember.

What is humorous is people who are not Christians, picking up
a Bible and assuming that everything in it is understood literally
by Christians. Same for Islam.
Post by Hunter01
If you want to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've
got to apply the same rule to all. The reality is though that the
majority of any religion are not insane enough to take their fairy tales
literally, it's only the brain-damaged few that do so.
I agree with the sentiment, if not the 'fairy tales'.

Parables make sense as easy to remember stories which encode
important moral messages.
Post by Hunter01
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith,
that of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier
place.
Hang on, didn't the Jedi wield Laser swords?

You wouldn't find any Quakers or Baha'i doing that!



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2007-12-24 09:29:16 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by Hunter01
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give
them an excuse to hate them.
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to
kill family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic lunacy,
so stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions.
The further back you go, the greater the problems with authenticity,
and the more caution required with literal interpretation and
the greater contextual understanding is required.
I never said a bloody word about snakes.

Mark.
Post by fasgnadh
Religionists typically refer to their sacred texts as 'The Living Word
of God' and as few, if any, agnostic civilizations have lasted a century,
let alone a few millennia, it seems they are onto something!
The Living Word has a characteristic that most other texts do not seem
to possess, they are re-interpreted from age to age and new and relevant
meanings are found within.
This is not the same as Humpty Dumpty saying 'It Means what I choose
it to mean', although many do try that on.
Put simply it means that a text needs to be viewed in the context
of the time, and so an OT law which proscribes fornication and sets
the death penalty needs to be understood in terms of primitive
communications, and no DNA testing.
The laws are simple, so that all can understand and remember them,
you can't have a moral codicil as thick as the Australian Tax Act
in 1000 BC because a) there is no paper and b) no one can read and
c) it's too complex to remember.
What is humorous is people who are not Christians, picking up
a Bible and assuming that everything in it is understood literally
by Christians. Same for Islam.
Post by Hunter01
If you want to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've got
to apply the same rule to all. The reality is though that the majority of
any religion are not insane enough to take their fairy tales literally,
it's only the brain-damaged few that do so.
I agree with the sentiment, if not the 'fairy tales'.
Parables make sense as easy to remember stories which encode
important moral messages.
Post by Hunter01
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith,
that of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier
place.
Hang on, didn't the Jedi wield Laser swords?
You wouldn't find any Quakers or Baha'i doing that!
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2007-12-24 12:33:13 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by Hunter01
Post by Seon Ferguson
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non
Jews. I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order
to give them an excuse to hate them.
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to
kill family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic
lunacy, so stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions.
The further back you go, the greater the problems with authenticity,
and the more caution required with literal interpretation and
the greater contextual understanding is required.
Very true, but in many cases the literal interpretation was exactly the
intended message, at a time when that was an acceptable message. This is
also something that's accentuated by the "age" of the written work. For
instance it may have been considered quite ok by society to go out and
do these things at the time, so hence the fairy tale is written that
way. Pretty fucked up society if you ask me, but hey, plenty of modern
day societies aren't much better.
Post by fasgnadh
Religionists typically refer to their sacred texts as 'The Living Word
of God' and as few, if any, agnostic civilizations have lasted a
century, let alone a few millennia, it seems they are onto something!
How many of those societies were wiped out by nasty religious zealots
though? And are you considering the preservation of the religion as the
preservation of the society? It's not really the same thing.
Post by fasgnadh
The Living Word has a characteristic that most other texts do not seem
to possess, they are re-interpreted from age to age and new and relevant
meanings are found within.
This is not the same as Humpty Dumpty saying 'It Means what I choose
it to mean', although many do try that on.
Put simply it means that a text needs to be viewed in the context
of the time, and so an OT law which proscribes fornication and sets
the death penalty needs to be understood in terms of primitive
communications, and no DNA testing.
Also in terms of much more brutal societies, with leaders that were much
more oppressive than the majority of current day leaders. Religion's
primary role in those days (as far as big picture goes) was a
justification for leaders to do as they wanted with a "holy" mandate. In
the present day thankfully it seems to be much more about helping people
out. Shit, it might even nearly be at the point where it's 50/50 with
the excuse for rape/violence/torture/murder, which was previously the
general end-result when religion was invoked as a reason for doing
something.
Post by fasgnadh
The laws are simple, so that all can understand and remember them,
you can't have a moral codicil as thick as the Australian Tax Act
in 1000 BC because a) there is no paper and b) no one can read and
c) it's too complex to remember.
None of that explains the sheer brutality or barbarism of what these
writing called for, that can only be explained by the brutality and
barbarism of the day and age, and the people writing the works in the
first place.
Post by fasgnadh
What is humorous is people who are not Christians, picking up
a Bible and assuming that everything in it is understood literally
by Christians. Same for Islam.
Best way to argue with someone who is criticizing a religion based on
the literal interpretation of its' scriptures is to throw literal
interpretations of said person's own religion right back at them. I'd
like to say it makes them wake up to themselves, but generally it
doesn't. Blind faith generally by definition also blinds followers to
common-sense, basic logic functionality, etc.etc.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Hunter01
If you want to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've
got to apply the same rule to all. The reality is though that the
majority of any religion are not insane enough to take their fairy
tales literally, it's only the brain-damaged few that do so.
I agree with the sentiment, if not the 'fairy tales'.
They can't all be true in respect to the areas that many contradict each
other, so at best only one or two may actually be true, so the rest
would have to be fairy tales. I don't believe any of it is true, us
Drunken Jedi are the only true religion (hey, if they can say it then I
can too!), and considering our doctrine is basically one of live and let
live, protect the weak, and a belief that there is "good" and "evil" but
not incarnate in any way, but only visible in the actions of the
individual, I think our fairy tale has much more validity than the
majority of most of the older ones.
Post by fasgnadh
Parables make sense as easy to remember stories which encode
important moral messages.
"Moral" messages calling for people's death for not kissing the right
arse are immoral. These are outdated immoral messages. It's not a case
of having to reinterpret them, it's a case of people growing the fuck up
and dumping the refuse from their scriptures and continuing on with the
good, and many many religious people are doing exactly that.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Hunter01
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith,
that of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and
happier place.
Hang on, didn't the Jedi wield Laser swords?
We keep our light sabers hanging on a wall, we're a complacent drunken
bunch, they only come out at a time of threat to those we care about,
and then let the farce help any fucker that threatens those people
(shit, starting to sound a lot like Aussie society the way it was, and
should be). In good times, of peace and prosperity, our schlongs are our
light-sabers!
Post by fasgnadh
You wouldn't find any Quakers or Baha'i doing that!
No need, the Drunken Jedi are the order of Jedi that took over the
protective (and drinking) role from those stuff-shirted extremists the
Jedi Knights. Bloody fundamentalists kept interpreting everything
literally so we had to give them the boot. The average Jedi are much
safer now with us Drunken Jedi watching the fort for them, and have no
need to bear arms.

Although they'd get bagged as pussies if the time came and they were too
gutless to do so in protection of their families and people. Any
religion that would command a man (or woman) to standby and watch his
(or her) family be slaughtered is pretty fucked in the head if you ask me.
Addinall
2007-12-24 09:27:28 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Anti Semites would point out that in the Torah Jews can lie to non Jews.
I guess biggots like to demonise the people they hate in order to give
them an excuse to hate them.
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to kill
family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic lunacy, so
stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions. If you want
to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've got to apply the
same rule to all. The reality is though that the majority of any religion
are not insane enough to take their fairy tales literally, it's only the
brain-damaged few that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith, that
of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier place.
True, these words be...

Mark Addinall.
Hunter01
2007-12-24 13:20:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Addinall
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to kill
family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic lunacy, so
stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions. If you want
to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've got to apply the
same rule to all. The reality is though that the majority of any religion
are not insane enough to take their fairy tales literally, it's only the
brain-damaged few that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith, that
of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier place.
True, these words be...
Mark Addinall.
May the farce be with you Padawan! 8]
Addinall
2007-12-25 09:48:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hunter01
Post by Addinall
Post by Hunter01
The Christians also have sections of their bible that commands one to
kill family members if they worship other gods and other sadistic
lunacy, so stuff like this can seemingly be found in all the religions.
If you want to judge one religion by the letter of their book, you've
got to apply the same rule to all. The reality is though that the
majority of any religion are not insane enough to take their fairy tales
literally, it's only the brain-damaged few that do so.
Personally I reckon if everyone just converted to the one true faith,
that of the Drunken Jedi, the world would be a much simpler and happier
place.
True, these words be...
Mark Addinall.
May the farce be with you Padawan! 8]
And Up Yours to! %_))

Mark Addinall.
Hunter01
2008-01-15 23:12:43 UTC
Permalink
given me to finish... bear
witness of me." John 10:26-27. "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my
sheep... My sheep hear my voice.

[195]"What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee. (They
do not say: What doctrine do you preach?)"

196John 3:2. "No man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be
with him."

[197]"The Lord, making manifest his presence, upholdeth them that are his
own portion."

198"And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven."

199Matt. 12:39. "An evil generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no
sign be given to it."

200"And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, why doth this generation
seek after a sign?"

201"Mark 6:5. "And he could there do no mighty work."

202John 4:48. "Except ye see... ye will not believe."

2039. "In signs and lying wonders."

204II Thess. 2:9-11 "After the working of Satan... and with all
deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received
not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God
shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

205Deut. 13:3. "for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love
the Lord."

206Matt. 24:25-26. "Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall
say unto you, Behold."

207Is. 5:4. Quis est quod debui ultra facere vineae meae, et non faci ei?
"What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it?"

[208]Gal. 1:8. "But though an angel."

209Ps. 41:4. "Where is thy God?"

[210]Ps. 111:4. "Unto the upright there ariseth light in the darkness."

211"The yes and the no."

212Is. 10:1. "Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees."

213John 15:24. "If he had not done."

214John 15:24. "If he had not done among them the works which none other man
did."

215Prov. 26. 4-5. "Answer... Answer not."

[216]Epistle
Hunter01
2008-01-15 23:25:44 UTC
Permalink
debts. Beneficia eo usque laeta
sunt dum videntur exsolvi posse; ubi multum antevenere, pro gratia odium
redditur.[6] We feel neither extreme heat nor extreme cold. Excessive
qualities are prejudicial to us and not perceptible by the senses; we do not
feel but suffer them. Extreme youth and extreme age hinder the mind, as also
too much and too little education. In short, extremes are for us as though
they were not, and we are not within their notice. They escape us, or we
them.

This is our true state; this is what makes us incapable of certain knowledge
and of absolute ignorance. We sail within a vast sphere, ever drifting in
uncertainty, driven from end to end. When we think to attach ourselves to
any point and to fasten to it, it wavers and leaves us; and if we follow it,
it eludes our grasp, slips past us, and vanishes for ever. Nothing stays for
us. This is our natural condition and yet most contrary to our inclination;
we burn with desire to find solid ground and an ultimate sure foundation
whereon to build a tower reaching to the Infin

fasgnadh
2007-12-23 09:51:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by fasgnadh
"Letter instills new hope"
- Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007
"AT year's end, positive news deserves reflection.
And doubly so when it concerns inter-faith relations.
We frequently hear the voices of hatred and division,
the racist bigots in Usenet, the radio shock jocks,
ranting media populists, and those individuals whose
extreme views make them 'newsworthy'.
But what do the leaders of the broader community say?
"On October 13,138 Muslim scholars and leaders sent
a letter to the world's most influential Christian
leaders, calling on them to join in making peace and harmony.
With Christians and Muslims constituting about 55 per
cent of humanity, the very survival of the world depends
on it and "our very eternal souls" are at stake if we
fail to try."
A friend tells me that the interfaith dialogue between
Christians and Muslims has dramatically increased in
the past few years. After 14 centuries of enmity, it
is good to see the family healing its feud.
"Titled A Common Word between Us and You, the 29-page
letter emphasised that Islam and Christianity have their
two most foundational principles in common: the love of
God and the love of one's neighbor.
http://www.acommonword.com/
This, the letter insisted, means "the basis for . .
. peace and understanding already exists".
Muslim factions which otherwise agree on nothing were
able to agree on this."
What I enjoy about Waleed is that he is a fierce critic
of his own community.. as the scriptures say "Remove the
beam from thine own eye before you remove the mote from
your brother's" Amen to that!
"The timing was symbolic: at the end of the sacred month
of Ramadan, and about a year after various Muslims reacted
with despicable violence to the Pope's now infamous
Regensburg address in which he quoted a medieval text
describing Islam as "evil and inhuman".
It is encouraging that the Pope replied to express
"deep appreciation" for the letter, inviting a
delegation of the signatories to meet him."
Ratsinger is problematic, even to many Catholics, but
he cannot undo the Church's doctrine stated by
Pope Paul VI, without undoing the Catholics theological
# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."
It is not the biggest news story of 2007, but
it gives me hope."
Well founded hope, this is the age of All Things Made New,
Peace and Joy, brother ...Peace and Joy!
* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by fasgnadh
* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html
* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html
* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
Right on cue:

Note, that as soon as they are presented with precisely
what they have demanded, 'Muslims leaders who speak
for peace and denounce violence', 13,000 of them, the bigots
simply dismiss all of it. Simply dismiss it.

Waleed Ali is Right, these demands that every Muslim must be held
collectively responsible for any action by an Individual Muslim,
that they must constantly denounce crimes by Muslims.. is simply
PERSECUTION. When will the Christian leaders denounce it?
Post by Arthur Brain
One of the central tenets of Islam is "Taqqiyah" - the requirement
that muslims lie to non-muslims in order to gain advantage for Islam.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially when it
is a half truth, held by a half wit with Arfa Brain.

Taqqiyah is dissimulation to protect Muslims when confronted
by evildoers.. westerners are very familiar with this concept,
when the Nazis kicked in the local Mayor's door and demanded
"Where are the Jews you are hiding.", many brave gentiles denied
they were hiding any Jews.

To lie to protect your family from a madman, or a Jewish stranger
from the Nazis, is Taqqiyah. It is NOT HYPOCRISY, but the exact
opposite of hypocrisy.. a higher truth.

Taqiyyah is NOT lying to cheat or gain advantage over 'infidels',
anymore than "This is my blood, drink it in remembrance of me"
is cannibalism.

The scriptures of the worlds religions are complex and layered,
generations of scholars have discussed the nuances over centuries,
and with integrity and goodwill it can be richly rewarding, and
has been the foundation of the greatest and most lasting civilizations
the world has seen.

But the texts confound the malign and those of evil intent.
They can extract no wisdom from them.
But their deliberate attempts to distort and misrepresent what is
written is utterly condemned in the Torah, the Bible and the Koran.

Arthur needs to be warned, slander of me, or another person is
an evil crime, but slander of Gods word is a malicious poison
for which every religion promises there will be a reckoning.

Thou shalt not bear False Witness is one of God's commandments.
Jews, Christians and Muslims are ALL bound by the Laws God delivered
to Moses.. although we all know Jesus and Mohammed have tempered
them with a renewed EMPHASSIS on Love and Mercy.

One of the Central tenets of all bigotry such as Arfa Brain's is
malicious False witness, which the God Of Abraham, Moses, Jesus
and Mohammed says he will reward by roasting the liars's genitals
over a slow fire, or exposing them to public ridicule in Usenet! B^D

.. and Verily, the Lord is Just! B^D
Post by Arthur Brain
This is eventually superceded by armed conquest and genocide, once the
muslims think they have the strength of arms to achieve military
victory.
For which people on earth has this not been their history?

Don't these bigots even know their OWN history?
Post by Arthur Brain
Lies and violence have underpinned the spread of this noxious
religious cult for 1400 years now - they were beaten back from taking
over Europe once (but we failed to kick them out of Turkey and North
Africa) but they are at it again.
It needs to be recognised by the civilised world for what it is.
Arfur's problem is that he has never had a girlfriend, and
thus he has never had to answer, with absolute truth,
the answer to the Question of Certain Death:

"Does this dress make my bum look big?" B^D








"No Darlin, you look Beautiful" is not Taqiyyah,
but parables are all about 'let those with eyes, see' ;-)







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Seon Ferguson
2007-12-23 11:00:46 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
Yep I knew if you'd post a posative article about Islam people who hate
Muslims will always find a reason to use it as an excuse to bash Islam.
Gregory Shearman
2007-12-23 13:19:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh
Arfur's problem is that he has never had a girlfriend, and
thus he has never had to answer, with absolute truth,
He's always so vehement about poofters...

You know what they say about the rabid homophobes:

http://tinyurl.com/3ag9ad

The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively
heterosexual men who ad-
mitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted
of a group of homo-
phobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were
assigned to groups
on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W.
A. Ricketts, 1980).
The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of
heterosexual, male homosex-
ual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were
monitored. They also com-
pleted an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992 ). Both
groups exhibited increases
in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos.
Only the homophobic
men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The
groups did not differ in
aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that
the homophobic
individual is either unaware of or denies.
--
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Arthur Brain
2007-12-23 21:49:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh
Note, that as soon as they are presented with precisely
what they have demanded, 'Muslims leaders who speak
for peace and denounce violence', 13,000 of them, the bigots
simply dismiss all of it. Simply dismiss it.
Your article is a LIE, a disgusting piece of apologist propaganda.

This was *NOT* a christmas message, so why are you LYING and saying
that it is?

The article said nothing definite about Islam resiling from its mal-
treatment of women, apostates, and reason, and it wasn't sent at
christmas.
B J Foster
2007-12-23 22:13:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by fasgnadh
Note, that as soon as they are presented with precisely
what they have demanded, 'Muslims leaders who speak
for peace and denounce violence', 13,000 of them, the bigots
simply dismiss all of it. Simply dismiss it.
Your article is a LIE, a disgusting piece of apologist propaganda.
This was *NOT* a christmas message, so why are you LYING and saying
that it is?
The article said nothing definite about Islam resiling from its mal-
treatment of women, apostates, and reason, and it wasn't sent at
christmas.
Here it is:


"New bin Laden Tape: No Virgins for Female Suicide Bombers"

Tora Bora, Pakistan -- In a new tape played by Al Jazeera today, Osama
bin Laden reiterated that only male suicide bombers will be the
recipients of the promised 72 virgins. 'In the name of Allah, I say to
you: No! Only men will inherit the virgins. It is the woman's place to
please her man; to enjoy the company of the other 71 women; and to care
for the resulting 789 children. However, every woman bomber will receive
a vacuum cleaner as a generous parting gift'".

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i26099
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 02:08:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by fasgnadh
Note, that as soon as they are presented with precisely
what they have demanded, 'Muslims leaders who speak
for peace and denounce violence', 13,000 of them, the bigots
simply dismiss all of it. Simply dismiss it.
Your article is a LIE, a disgusting piece of apologist propaganda.
This was *NOT* a christmas message, so why are you LYING and saying
that it is?
The article said nothing definite about Islam resiling from its mal-
treatment of women, apostates, and reason, and it wasn't sent at
christmas.
"New bin Laden Tape: No Virgins for Female Suicide Bombers"
Tora Bora, Pakistan -- In a new tape played by Al Jazeera today, Osama
bin Laden reiterated that only male suicide bombers will be the
recipients of the promised 72 virgins. 'In the name of Allah, I say to
you: No! Only men will inherit the virgins. It is the woman's place to
please her man; to enjoy the company of the other 71 women; and to care
for the resulting 789 children. However, every woman bomber will receive
a vacuum cleaner as a generous parting gift'".
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i26099
Hey, that's word for word one of Arf'as posts!

he is plagiarising the spoof site, and thinks they are fair dinkum! B^D
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into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore." — Isaiah 2:4 & Micah 4:3

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B J Foster
2007-12-24 03:48:43 UTC
Permalink
...
Post by fasgnadh
Post by B J Foster
"New bin Laden Tape: No Virgins for Female Suicide Bombers"
Tora Bora, Pakistan -- In a new tape played by Al Jazeera today, Osama
bin Laden reiterated that only male suicide bombers will be the
recipients of the promised 72 virgins. 'In the name of Allah, I say to
you: No! Only men will inherit the virgins. It is the woman's place to
please her man; to enjoy the company of the other 71 women; and to
care for the resulting 789 children. However, every woman bomber will
receive a vacuum cleaner as a generous parting gift'".
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i26099
Hey, that's word for word one of Arf'as posts!
he is plagiarising the spoof site, and thinks they are fair dinkum! B^D
Wadda you mean?

He's their top writer:
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i14082
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 02:02:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by fasgnadh
Note, that as soon as they are presented with precisely
what they have demanded, 'Muslims leaders who speak
for peace and denounce violence', 13,000 of them, the bigots
simply dismiss all of it. Simply dismiss it.
Your article is a LIE, a disgusting piece of apologist propaganda.
This was *NOT* a christmas message, so why are you LYING and saying
that it is?
Yes it was. Waleed Ali wrote it in yesterday's media.
It was one of four Christmas messages, one from a Muslim,
one from a Jew, one from a Roman Catholic and one from
a Protestant..

You snipped the citation to hide that fact, it's just
your typical practice of habitual LYING and False Witness!

Here it is again, learn to read as well as you lie:



"Letter instills new hope"
- Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007

"AT year's end, positive news deserves reflection.
And doubly so when it concerns inter-faith relations.

We frequently hear the voices of hatred and division,
the racist bigots in Usenet, the radio shock jocks,
ranting media populists, and those individuals whose
extreme views make them 'newsworthy'.

But what do the leaders of the broader community say?

"On October 13,138 Muslim scholars and leaders sent
a letter to the world's most influential Christian
leaders, calling on them to join in making peace and harmony.

With Christians and Muslims constituting about 55 per
cent of humanity, the very survival of the world depends
on it and "our very eternal souls" are at stake if we
fail to try."

A friend tells me that the interfaith dialogue between
Christians and Muslims has dramatically increased in
the past few years. After 14 centuries of enmity, it
is good to see the family healing its feud.

"Titled A Common Word between Us and You, the 29-page
letter emphasised that Islam and Christianity have their
two most foundational principles in common: the love of
God and the love of one's neighbor.

http://www.acommonword.com/

This, the letter insisted, means "the basis for . .
. peace and understanding already exists".

Muslim factions which otherwise agree on nothing were
able to agree on this."

What I enjoy about Waleed is that he is a fierce critic
of his own community.. as the scriptures say "Remove the
beam from thine own eye before you remove the mote from
your brother's" Amen to that!

"The timing was symbolic: at the end of the sacred month
of Ramadan, and about a year after various Muslims reacted
with despicable violence to the Pope's now infamous
Regensburg address in which he quoted a medieval text
describing Islam as "evil and inhuman".

It is encouraging that the Pope replied to express
"deep appreciation" for the letter, inviting a
delegation of the signatories to meet him."

Ratsinger is problematic, even to many Catholics, but
he cannot undo the Church's doctrine stated by
Pope Paul VI, without undoing the Catholics theological
position on Papal infallibility:

# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."


It is not the biggest news story of 2007, but
it gives me hope."

Well founded hope, this is the age of All Things Made New,

Peace and Joy, brother ...Peace and Joy!


* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html

* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html

* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html

* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html



---------

Mission Accomplished

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Howard's Legacy:

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---------

"They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears
into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore." — Isaiah 2:4 & Micah 4:3

---------

"Where there is no vision, the people perish." - Proverbs 29:18

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Arthur Brain
2007-12-24 14:36:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by fasgnadh
Note, that as soon as they are presented with precisely
what they have demanded, 'Muslims leaders who speak
for peace and denounce violence', 13,000 of them, the bigots
simply dismiss all of it. Simply dismiss it.
Your article is a LIE, a disgusting piece of apologist propaganda.
This was *NOT* a christmas message, so why are you LYING and saying
that it is?
Yes it was. Waleed Ali wrote it in yesterday's media.
It was one of four Christmas messages, one from a Muslim,
one from a Jew, one from a Roman Catholic and one from
a Protestant..
You snipped the citation to hide that fact, it's just
your typical practice of habitual LYING and False Witness!
"On October 13,138 Muslim scholars and leaders sent
a letter to the world's most influential Christian
leaders, calling on them to join in making peace and harmony. "

*NOT* a christmas message.

Waleed Ali - one guy, belonging to the religion of lies and violence.
Who cares what he has to say?
fasgnadh
2007-12-23 09:14:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by fasgnadh
"Letter instills new hope"
- Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007
"AT year's end, positive news deserves reflection.
And doubly so when it concerns inter-faith relations.
We frequently hear the voices of hatred and division,
the racist bigots in Usenet, the radio shock jocks,
ranting media populists, and those individuals whose
extreme views make them 'newsworthy'.
But what do the leaders of the broader community say?
"On October 13,138 Muslim scholars and leaders sent
a letter to the world's most influential Christian
leaders, calling on them to join in making peace and harmony.
With Christians and Muslims constituting about 55 per
cent of humanity, the very survival of the world depends
on it and "our very eternal souls" are at stake if we
fail to try."
A friend tells me that the interfaith dialogue between
Christians and Muslims has dramatically increased in
the past few years. After 14 centuries of enmity, it
is good to see the family healing its feud.
"Titled A Common Word between Us and You, the 29-page
letter emphasised that Islam and Christianity have their
two most foundational principles in common: the love of
God and the love of one's neighbor.
http://www.acommonword.com/
This, the letter insisted, means "the basis for . .
. peace and understanding already exists".
Muslim factions which otherwise agree on nothing were
able to agree on this."
What I enjoy about Waqleed is that he is a fierce critic
of his own community.. as the scriptures say "Remove the
beam from thine own eye before you remove the mote from
your brother's" Amen to that!
"The timing was symbolic: at the end of the sacred month
of Ramadan, and about a year after various Muslims reacted
with despicable violence to the Pope's now infamous
Regensburg address in which he quoted a medieval text
describing Islam as "evil and inhuman".
It is encouraging that the Pope replied to express
"deep appreciation" for the letter, inviting a
delegation of the signatories to meet him."
Ratsinger is problematic, even to many Catholics, but
he cannot undo the Church's doctrine stated by
Pope Paul VI, without undoing the Catholics theological
# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."
It is not the biggest news story of 2007, but
it gives me hope."
Well founded hope, this is the age of All Things Made New,
Peace and Joy, brother ...Peace and Joy!
* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html
* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html
* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html
* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
You won't have to wait long,

They are the hypocrites who seek out the 1 extremist,
and declare him the 'Muslim representative' rather than
listen to 13,000 Islamic scholars who don't fit their
stereotyping bigotry.

They are the ones who scream hysterically "Where are the
Muslim Leaders denouncing violence" and then IGNORING IT..
OR DENYING IT.. WHEN THEY ARE PRESENTED WITH thousands of
Muslim leaders doing precisely that.

Waleed Ali asks why HE is supposed to denounce every misdeed
by Muslims, which have nothing to do with him, but Christians
are not called upon to do the same. He says he spends so
much time denouncing things that he feels like he does nothing
else.. but it is never enough, it is as if they want him
to offer up something else, to renounce Islam, to say 'ok,
I'll stop being a Muslim to satisfy your relentless anger'

Anton Block understands what that is like, the fascist
pressure to abandon difference, even when they won't let you!

The tyranny of the majority is terrible precisely because
most of the majority is indifferent, uncaring and asleep,
and they allow the bigots to work their hate.

Tolerance is not enough, you need to reach out your hand,
and say 'Welcome aboard mate.'

A favourite story from my old man was when he was an
apprentice, and they were all having a beer in the local pub.

He had one and then said he'd had enough. He rode a motorbike,
played tennis, footy, skiied (Cross country, no pansy chairlifts
in those days). He never liked being pissed and stupid. But the
older hands gave him shit, the usual Aussie crap "What's wrong
with ya, ya bloody poofda!" until the leading hand turned around
from the bar and said "Leave the lad alone, if he doesn't want
a beer, he doesn't have to have a bloody beer!"

That's how I think of multiculturalism.... it's just another
word for freedom, for the guts to be who you are, and to
support the same right for others.. all the rest of this
racist shit is just useless drivel by gutless cowards and
jackbooted wankers.


Peace and Joy at Christmas, Seon, and through the year.




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2007-12-23 09:48:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
You won't have to wait long,
They are the hypocrites who seek out the 1 extremist,
and declare him the 'Muslim representative' rather than
listen to 13,000 Islamic scholars who don't fit their
stereotyping bigotry.
And they also fail to show the verses in the Koran that will show these
radical clerics speak for all Muslims.
Post by fasgnadh
They are the ones who scream hysterically "Where are the
Muslim Leaders denouncing violence" and then IGNORING IT..
OR DENYING IT.. WHEN THEY ARE PRESENTED WITH thousands of
Muslim leaders doing precisely that.
Waleed Ali asks why HE is supposed to denounce every misdeed
by Muslims, which have nothing to do with him, but Christians
are not called upon to do the same. He says he spends so
much time denouncing things that he feels like he does nothing
else.. but it is never enough, it is as if they want him
to offer up something else, to renounce Islam, to say 'ok,
I'll stop being a Muslim to satisfy your relentless anger'
Anton Block understands what that is like, the fascist
pressure to abandon difference, even when they won't let you!
The tyranny of the majority is terrible precisely because
most of the majority is indifferent, uncaring and asleep,
and they allow the bigots to work their hate.
Tolerance is not enough, you need to reach out your hand,
and say 'Welcome aboard mate.'
A favourite story from my old man was when he was an
apprentice, and they were all having a beer in the local pub.
He had one and then said he'd had enough. He rode a motorbike,
played tennis, footy, skiied (Cross country, no pansy chairlifts
in those days). He never liked being pissed and stupid. But the
older hands gave him shit, the usual Aussie crap "What's wrong
with ya, ya bloody poofda!" until the leading hand turned around
from the bar and said "Leave the lad alone, if he doesn't want
a beer, he doesn't have to have a bloody beer!"
They probally wont be saying that when they have a hangover the next
morning.
Post by fasgnadh
That's how I think of multiculturalism.... it's just another
word for freedom, for the guts to be who you are, and to
support the same right for others.. all the rest of this
racist shit is just useless drivel by gutless cowards and
jackbooted wankers.
Yep unless that freedom harms another (like honour killings etc) then I say
let them have the freedom to have their own beliefs.
Post by fasgnadh
Peace and Joy at Christmas, Seon, and through the year.
Thanks same to you, even the islamophobes. Everyone deserves a merry xmas.
B J Foster
2007-12-23 21:24:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
You won't have to wait long,
They are the hypocrites who seek out the 1 extremist,
and declare him the 'Muslim representative' rather than
listen to 13,000 Islamic scholars who don't fit their
stereotyping bigotry.
And they also fail to show the verses in the Koran that will show these
radical clerics speak for all Muslims.
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.

As a matter of fact, *you* choose to interpret them literally.


...
Arthur Brain
2007-12-23 22:25:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.

Here's your challenge, apologist faggots:

- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
Doug
2007-12-23 22:40:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
My prediction is you will get no answer, because they have none.
They have no hand.
B J Foster
2007-12-24 01:06:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doug
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
My prediction is you will get no answer, because they have none.
They have no hand.
Wot are you, half-a-brain's bum boy?
Doug
2007-12-24 04:33:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by Doug
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
My prediction is you will get no answer, because they have none.
They have no hand.
Wot are you, half-a-brain's bum boy?
Better than being islam's bendover buttboy.
B J Foster
2007-12-24 01:05:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
Faggot yourself, moron


"The acts of violence and terrorism carried out by certain extremist
groups in the name of Islam are utterly contradictory to the principles
and ideology of Islam. Such acts give non-Muslims excuses to attack
Islam and interfere in the affairs of Muslim peoples".
(King Abdullah II of Jordan)

"Despite the fact that bin Laden murdered thousands of innocents in the
name of our religion and despite the damage that he has caused to
Muslims everywhere, to this date not a single fatwa has been issued
calling for the killing of bin Laden".
(Saad bin Tefla, a journalist and former Kuwaiti minister)

"On March 11, 2005, on the anniversary of the Madrid train bombings, the
Spanish Muslim Council issued a fatwa against bin Laden, calling him an
apostate and urging others of their faith to denounce the Al Qaeda leader".
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.politics/msg/1cbeb8d6b7ab11f7
Doug
2007-12-24 04:35:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
Faggot yourself, moron
"The acts of violence and terrorism carried out by certain extremist
groups in the name of Islam are utterly contradictory to the principles
and ideology of Islam. Such acts give non-Muslims excuses to attack
Islam and interfere in the affairs of Muslim peoples".
(King Abdullah II of Jordan)
"Despite the fact that bin Laden murdered thousands of innocents in the
name of our religion and despite the damage that he has caused to
Muslims everywhere, to this date not a single fatwa has been issued
calling for the killing of bin Laden".
(Saad bin Tefla, a journalist and former Kuwaiti minister)
"On March 11, 2005, on the anniversary of the Madrid train bombings, the
Spanish Muslim Council issued a fatwa against bin Laden, calling him an
apostate and urging others of their faith to denounce the Al Qaeda leader".
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.politics/msg/1cbeb8d6b7ab11f7
Irrelvant to the question posed.
Doug
2008-01-01 00:09:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
Faggot yourself, moron
"The acts of violence and terrorism carried out by certain extremist
groups in the name of Islam are utterly contradictory to the principles
and ideology of Islam. Such acts give non-Muslims excuses to attack
Islam and interfere in the affairs of Muslim peoples".
(King Abdullah II of Jordan)
"Despite the fact that bin Laden murdered thousands of innocents in the
name of our religion and despite the damage that he has caused to
Muslims everywhere, to this date not a single fatwa has been issued
calling for the killing of bin Laden".
(Saad bin Tefla, a journalist and former Kuwaiti minister)
"On March 11, 2005, on the anniversary of the Madrid train bombings, the
Spanish Muslim Council issued a fatwa against bin Laden, calling him an
apostate and urging others of their faith to denounce the Al Qaeda leader".
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.politics/msg/1cbeb8d6b7ab11f7
Ah, such pretty words, so peaceful. I'm sure Hitler and Stalin could make
nice, convincing, peaceful speeches as well. Words are just so much crap --
let's see some goddamn action. The "moderate" muslims sit by and watch
this crap go on and on and on and on and I'm expected to believe they ahbor
it? Merely because they spout speeches?
Petzl
2008-01-01 01:48:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doug
Post by B J Foster
"On March 11, 2005, on the anniversary of the Madrid train bombings, the
Spanish Muslim Council issued a fatwa against bin Laden, calling him an
apostate and urging others of their faith to denounce the Al Qaeda leader".
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.politics/msg/1cbeb8d6b7ab11f7
Ah, such pretty words, so peaceful. I'm sure Hitler and Stalin could make
nice, convincing, peaceful speeches as well. Words are just so much crap --
let's see some goddamn action. The "moderate" muslims sit by and watch
this crap go on and on and on and on and I'm expected to believe they ahbor
it? Merely because they spout speeches?
Moslems are quickly found to be always liars

petzl
--
Australia has had enough. NO MORE MOSLEMS
<http://www.cdp.org.au/docs/A5_Musilm_Poll_Flyer.pdf>
Vote
Christian Democrat first,
The Opposition Member second
Your sitting member last
2nd last the anti-environment party the "Greens"
Hunter01
2008-01-01 05:25:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Petzl
Moslems are quickly found to be always liars
And Christian priests need to be extracted from little boys with pliers?
FACE
2008-01-01 13:01:35 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:25:52 +0900, in uk.politics.misc, in thread Re:
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, Hunter01
Post by Hunter01
Post by Petzl
Moslems are quickly found to be always liars
And Christian priests need to be extracted from little boys with pliers?
Christian priests were not the subject but I see that you quickly try to
change it to be that.

FACE
Hunter01
2008-01-04 22:43:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, Hunter01
Post by Hunter01
Post by Petzl
Moslems are quickly found to be always liars
And Christian priests need to be extracted from little boys with pliers?
Christian priests were not the subject but I see that you quickly try to
change it to be that.
A parallel comparative analysis to show the stupidity of a statement is
hardly changing the subject.
Hunter01
2008-01-01 05:24:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doug
Post by B J Foster
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
Faggot yourself, moron
"The acts of violence and terrorism carried out by certain extremist
groups in the name of Islam are utterly contradictory to the principles
and ideology of Islam. Such acts give non-Muslims excuses to attack
Islam and interfere in the affairs of Muslim peoples".
(King Abdullah II of Jordan)
"Despite the fact that bin Laden murdered thousands of innocents in the
name of our religion and despite the damage that he has caused to
Muslims everywhere, to this date not a single fatwa has been issued
calling for the killing of bin Laden".
(Saad bin Tefla, a journalist and former Kuwaiti minister)
"On March 11, 2005, on the anniversary of the Madrid train bombings, the
Spanish Muslim Council issued a fatwa against bin Laden, calling him an
apostate and urging others of their faith to denounce the Al Qaeda leader".
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.politics/msg/1cbeb8d6b7ab11f7
Ah, such pretty words, so peaceful. I'm sure Hitler and Stalin could make
nice, convincing, peaceful speeches as well.
Just as Christians do when trying to excuse their pedophile priests and
attempts at religious genocide in places such as the former Yugoslavia?
Post by Doug
Words are just so much crap --
let's see some goddamn action. The "moderate" muslims sit by and watch
this crap go on and on and on and on and I'm expected to believe they ahbor
it? Merely because they spout speeches?
When's the last time you saw your local church take action over the
pedophiles in the clergy? Or march and make a noise over situations such
as the former Yugoslavia? Shit, in Rwanda where many Muslims were trying
to hide the Tutsis from the death squads in many cases it was the
Christian churches organising them...

Pretty words indeed....
FACE
2008-01-01 13:02:59 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:24:30 +0900, in uk.politics.misc, in thread Re:
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, Hunter01
Post by Hunter01
Post by Doug
Post by B J Foster
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago and is now a religion of choice, existing
within the framework of a pluralistic secular society, while Islam is
an utterly unreformed religion which does not accept pluralism and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
- find me one islamic leader who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
Faggot yourself, moron
"The acts of violence and terrorism carried out by certain extremist
groups in the name of Islam are utterly contradictory to the principles
and ideology of Islam. Such acts give non-Muslims excuses to attack
Islam and interfere in the affairs of Muslim peoples".
(King Abdullah II of Jordan)
"Despite the fact that bin Laden murdered thousands of innocents in the
name of our religion and despite the damage that he has caused to
Muslims everywhere, to this date not a single fatwa has been issued
calling for the killing of bin Laden".
(Saad bin Tefla, a journalist and former Kuwaiti minister)
"On March 11, 2005, on the anniversary of the Madrid train bombings, the
Spanish Muslim Council issued a fatwa against bin Laden, calling him an
apostate and urging others of their faith to denounce the Al Qaeda leader".
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.politics/msg/1cbeb8d6b7ab11f7
Ah, such pretty words, so peaceful. I'm sure Hitler and Stalin could make
nice, convincing, peaceful speeches as well.
Just as Christians do when trying to excuse their pedophile priests and
attempts at religious genocide in places such as the former Yugoslavia?
Christians and Christian priests were not the subject but I see that you
quickly try to change it to be that.

FACE
Hunter01
2008-01-04 22:42:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by FACE
A positive Christmas Message from Islam, Hunter01
Post by Hunter01
Post by Doug
Ah, such pretty words, so peaceful. I'm sure Hitler and Stalin could make
nice, convincing, peaceful speeches as well.
Just as Christians do when trying to excuse their pedophile priests and
attempts at religious genocide in places such as the former Yugoslavia?
Christians and Christian priests were not the subject but I see that you
quickly try to change it to be that.
A parallel comparative analysis to show the stupidity of an argument is
hardly changing the subject.
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 02:50:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago
Christianity was part of that movement.

After it was dragged from the Dark Ages by the spiritual, scientific
and artistic renaissance of the Islamic revelation... and subsequently
experienced it's own.
Post by Arthur Brain
and is now a religion of choice,
All religions are religions of choice, in Australia, a free
secular state. Your point?

Regularly, Muslim youths who have abandoned their faith
get pissed and drive themselves into trees.. why are
all you examples of Islam derived from third world
shitholes, but your examples of Christianity are never
Phillipinos crucifying themselves at Easter?

Oh, thats right, you are a BIGOT, and your fragile fantasies
depend upon selective presentation of events and distortion
of facts.
Post by Arthur Brain
existing within the framework of a pluralistic secular society,
The Exclusive Brethren are a 'Religion of Choice'?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!

Just Question them and you get shunned so hard your 4 year old
won't talk to you!
Post by Arthur Brain
while Islam is an utterly unreformed religion which does not
accept pluralism
Sound like the Assemblies of God.
Post by Arthur Brain
and
avocates murder for apostates and its other critics.
So with all these Aussie Muslims drinking,
having sex and marrying Jews and Christians,
how many Aussie apostates have been executed?

None? Really?
I'm not an apologist faggot, so you will have to meet
your own challenge.

Let me help you by rephrasing it so you apologist faggots
can answer


- find me one Muslim murdered in Australia for apostasy
Post by Arthur Brain
who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
apart form you, i have never heard anyone in Australia
call for an apostate to be murdered.. Break the habit of
a lifetime, stop hysterical lying and tell the truth,
who are the Muslims murdered in Australia for apostacy.

If you say that none of them have given up their faith,
I will either;

1. join them, for they clearly must have the answer or

2. call you a pathetic liar who demonstrates with every
venom dripping howl of hatred that the POSITIVE OF CHRISTMAS
MESSAGE COMES FORM WALEED ALI, and not from you!

..salaam and shalom..

may every reader pray for you soul, that Jesus comes into
your heart and heals it from whatever deep agony has turned
you into a rabid animal. ;-)



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Hunter01
2007-12-24 04:33:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago
Just as radical Islam is slowly but surely being knocked on the head by
a vast number of movements powering ahead with young Muslims today, such
as Progressive Islam, Liberal Islam and many others.
Doug
2007-12-24 04:41:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago
Christianity was part of that movement.
After it was dragged from the Dark Ages by the spiritual, scientific
and artistic renaissance of the Islamic revelation... and subsequently
experienced it's own.
Post by Arthur Brain
and is now a religion of choice,
All religions are religions of choice, in Australia, a free
secular state. Your point?
Is that in all islamofacist theocracies this freedom of religion
doesn't exist. Heresy, blasphemy, apostasy are all punishable
crimes in islamofacist states.
Post by fasgnadh
So with all these Aussie Muslims drinking,
having sex and marrying Jews and Christians,
how many Aussie apostates have been executed?
What about the Canadian girl who was murdered by
her own father for not wearing the hijab or whatever
the fuck you call it. You could *certainly* call her
an islamic apostate.
Post by fasgnadh
- find me one Muslim murdered in Australia for apostasy
Irrelevant, there are plenty of islamofacist states in which
it DOES HAPPEN.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Arthur Brain
who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
apart form you, i have never heard anyone in Australia
call for an apostate to be murdered.. Break the habit of
a lifetime, stop hysterical lying and tell the truth,
who are the Muslims murdered in Australia for apostacy.
Congratulations to you! It's too bad you're not running one
of the dozen or so islamofacist theocracies, that don't share
your enlightened viewpoint.
Post by fasgnadh
If you say that none of them have given up their faith,
I will either;
1. join them, for they clearly must have the answer or
2. call you a pathetic liar who demonstrates with every
venom dripping howl of hatred that the POSITIVE OF CHRISTMAS
MESSAGE COMES FORM WALEED ALI, and not from you!
..salaam and shalom..
may every reader pray for you soul, that Jesus comes into
your heart and heals it from whatever deep agony has turned
you into a rabid animal. ;-)
Death to the infidels.
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 07:04:46 UTC
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Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Arthur Brain
Post by B J Foster
The bible has similar phrases but only extremists choose to interpret
them literally.
The difference being that christianity was defeated by the rationalist
movement 300 years ago
Christianity was part of that movement.
After it was dragged from the Dark Ages by the spiritual, scientific
and artistic renaissance of the Islamic revelation... and subsequently
experienced it's own.
Post by Arthur Brain
and is now a religion of choice,
Actually more people choose Islam.. It seems no one believes
your prejudices about it and they decide for themselves.
Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
All religions are religions of choice, in Australia, a free
secular state. Your point?
Is that in all islamofacist theocracies this freedom of religion
doesn't exist.
That's the nature of theocracies.

Christian Queen (yes Christians historically have preferred
monarchy to democracy, something which has MORE TO DO
WITH THE PRINTING PRESS than it has to do with DOCTRINE ;-)
Mary Tudor ("Bloody Mary"), was very keen on murdering apostates
and burning heretics, of both sexes, dispatching 274 in her 5
year reign(reign of terror) in the mid 16th century.

How do the Saudis compare to that legal Christian slaughter?

Executions per year would enable an easy comparison.
55 is the number to beat.

Now, as you should note, Bloody Mary was 1553 years after Jesus,
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR HIS WORDS TO SINK IN!???????
And why did old testament thinking like that dominate right
up until recently, with slavery, war, Imperialism, colonialism
oppression of women common until.. well, much of it still goes on!?

Islam is in year 1428 AH. That means it's been going for
a CENTURY LESS than the time of Bloody Mary.

So, if they stop burning heretics within the next 125 years they
will actually have shown FASTER progress than Christians!!!!

...oh Hang on, they ALREADY have stopped burning heretics!!! B^D

Thanks for helping show they are on an accelerated civilization path
compared to Christians!

Q.E.D.

BTW, Christians are STILL burning people for daring to think
differently.. If you want a more modern example consider the
invasion of Iraq, based on Official White House Tackiyyah.
When the locals defended themselves 30,000 men women and children
were obliterated, and the residents of Fallujah were LITERALLY
incinerated by what those funny American's called "Shake'n'Bake"
phosphorous weapons.

Now the Challenge for you blokes is to explain WHY,
for 95% of the history of Christianity, women were
treated as chattels and for at least 75% of that time
government was by the Divine Right of Kings, Theocracies
which burnt and tortured and eviscerated and hung and beheaded
it's citizens.

It has had the SAME Sacred Scripture all that time,
Just as Islam has had for 7 centuries less time,
and so the burning question, for all thinking people,
would be.. if it's not the doctrine that causes
the horrific violence and human rights abuses .. WHAT IS?

Once you start to try and answer that you will
begin to move out of your frightful ignorance.

In which fantasy and half truth, merge with
Post by Doug
Heresy, blasphemy, apostasy are all punishable
crimes in islamofacist states.
As they have in most Christian theocracies.

But not in Muslim states.

You seem to be starting to grasp the difference!

I gave you the easy one, asking you to match Bloody Mary's
record with that of the Saudi's.. they are such brutal
tyrants that genuine Muslims think about blowing up bits
of America to stop them from arming the Saudi bastards
in return for oil!

But try Indonesia, or Malaysia, How many apostates have been
executed in Indonesia? There are 200,000,000 of them, surely
Islam is not so wonderful that NO ONE defects, so why aren't
apostates killed in Indonesia? And why does the USSA have a
greater murder rate, and execute more people than the Indonesians?

And the Americans even carry out assassinations, WITHOUT TRIAL,
the tried to kill Castro just because he wouldn't let them
run Cuba as America's Brothel!
Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
So with all these Aussie Muslims drinking,
having sex and marrying Jews and Christians,
how many Aussie apostates have been executed?
What about the Canadian girl
So your answer is NONE.. you couldn't find a single
Aussie Muslim Killed for apostasy!

Then it can't be a problem with ISLAM, can it..
it must be something ELSE...

why don't you fuck off and have a think about it
before coming back here and making an (even Bigger)
fool of yourself.
Post by Doug
who was murdered by her own father for not wearing
the hijab or whatever the fuck you call it.
What about the anglo priest who fucked little boys and then
murdered them to cover up?

Crimes happen... you have just shown that when you are asked to
show a SINGLE murdered Aussie Apostate, and can't support one lie,
you start to spin another!

Run along, lightweight I have shredded your credibility
and exposed your blind bigotry and bias.
Post by Doug
You could *certainly* call her an islamic apostate.
No as the Koran merely says men and women should
dress modestly and does not set a penalty of death
for not wearing Hijab, as the Bible does for answering
back to a parent or eating shellfish, she is the victim of
an idiot as ignorant, fearful and full of hate as yourself.

It's a criminal act, not a cultural norm, you fuckwit! B^p

The fact you have to go halfway round the world, to TRY
and find something to support your piss-weak argument,
with hundreds of thousands of indigenous Muslims, many
of them beer drinking fornicators, and 200,000,000
nearby who also don't fit your ridiculous stereotype,
shows what a malign bigot you are.
Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
- find me one Muslim murdered in Australia for apostasy
Irrelevant, there are plenty of islamofacist states in which
it DOES HAPPEN.
Then as both are Muslim communities and one has no apostate
killings, it clearly isn't Islam which is the cause, but some
other cultural or political or criminal feature of that
particular tyranny!!

That is why I challenged you to list how many religious
executions have taken place in Indonesia, 200,000,000
Muslims is a pretty big sample! B^)

Usually it's the male Mullahs wanting to assert
their power, who invent all these illegitimate
distortions of scripture, just like the priesthood did..

Both Christianity and Islam suffer from POLITICAL PARASITES
who have infested their faith when there is no scriptural
basis for either. 8^o
Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Arthur Brain
who has publicly stated that apostasy is
an unpunishable matter of free choice...
apart form you, i have never heard anyone in Australia
call for an apostate to be murdered.. Break the habit of
a lifetime, stop hysterical lying and tell the truth,
who are the Muslims murdered in Australia for apostacy.
Congratulations to you!
Nothing to do with me, you poor ranting idiot.
Post by Doug
It's too bad you're not running one
of the dozen or so islamofacist theocracies,
I have been condemning them since you got out of nappies,
the Americans have been funding them in exchange for oil,
or overthrowing the Nationalist governments and INSTALLING
them to gain control of oil, and now idiots like you
wonder why some of them get so pissed off, but can't
defeat the Saudi tyrants, so heavily armed with American
weapons, that they strike the soft underbelly of the USSA
itself, and get called terrorists.

The West has created the Imams in Iran, you know.

The Americans overthrew the Mossadeq government, which
wanted Iranian oil wealth to benefit Iranians, not western
oil oligopolies. That is why, when the Iranians overthrew the
American backed Shah, they captured the USSA embassy, to prevent
the CIA from fucking them again!

Anyone who doesn't know the history, like you, is likely
to blame those who act today, rather than those who caused it.
Post by Doug
that don't share your enlightened viewpoint.
There are many who are not as enlightened as I am, but i can't
reach them all, you are my current project. B^D

Just kiddin! My starting premise is that bigots, by definition,
are too dumb to learn and change their thinking, I just use you
as a 'teaching tool' so that any beardless youth wandering by can
see the difference between a hate filled, loveless loser, and
a well adjusted human being.. and trust me, you are so odious
that no sane person wants to BECOME you! B^D
Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
If you say that none of them have given up their faith,
I will either;
1. join them, for they clearly must have the answer or
2. call you a pathetic liar who demonstrates with every
venom dripping howl of hatred that the POSITIVE OF CHRISTMAS
MESSAGE COMES FORM WALEED ALI, and not from you!
I guess you opted for the latter answer.. you simply couldn't process
the logical dilemma you face... with over 1.5 billion Muslims, you
should be able to name millions trying to escape your caricature of
a medieval cesspit, and hundreds of thousands of them being executed by
the evil Muslim Mafia.

Instead you have about the same level of criminality as exists in
the west.

Game Set and Match
Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
..salaam and shalom..
may every reader pray for you soul, that Jesus comes into
your heart and heals it from whatever deep agony has turned
you into a rabid animal. ;-)
Death to the infidels.
Suicide is forbidden in every faith tradition,
you should think again.
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2007-12-24 11:48:53 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by Arthur Brain
and is now a religion of choice,
Actually more people choose Islam.. It seems no one believes
your prejudices about it and they decide for themselves.
Lot of reasons for this. In some cases what the hate-sprechers are
saying is true, in some of the more "extremist" countries it's due to
the fact you'd cop an axe in the head if you chose any other religion,
and population growth is much higher in many of those countries.

But also equally true is cases like Rwanda, which had previously been
near 80% Christian, but since the genocide that occurred there more and
more are converting to Islam. The Christian church in many cases was
actively involved in the genocide whereas Muslims for the most part were
hiding Christians and Muslims alike from the genocidal mobs, which in
many cases spilled out of Christian churches to hunt for their prey.
Established Christianity overall lost any claim to piety in that country
even if a few true members of that faith did risk their lives (and die
in many cases) to try to help the victims.
Doug
2007-12-23 22:39:44 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
You won't have to wait long,
They are the hypocrites who seek out the 1 extremist,
and declare him the 'Muslim representative' rather than
listen to 13,000 Islamic scholars who don't fit their
stereotyping bigotry.
And they also fail to show the verses in the Koran that will show these
radical clerics speak for all Muslims.
Um, retard, these radical clerics aren't speaking to empty mosques,
they have few problems finding an enthusiastic audience.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by fasgnadh
They are the ones who scream hysterically "Where are the
Muslim Leaders denouncing violence" and then IGNORING IT..
OR DENYING IT.. WHEN THEY ARE PRESENTED WITH thousands of
Muslim leaders doing precisely that.
Waleed Ali asks why HE is supposed to denounce every misdeed
by Muslims, which have nothing to do with him, but Christians
are not called upon to do the same. He says he spends so
much time denouncing things that he feels like he does nothing
else.. but it is never enough, it is as if they want him
to offer up something else, to renounce Islam, to say 'ok,
I'll stop being a Muslim to satisfy your relentless anger'
Anton Block understands what that is like, the fascist
pressure to abandon difference, even when they won't let you!
The tyranny of the majority is terrible precisely because
most of the majority is indifferent, uncaring and asleep,
and they allow the bigots to work their hate.
Tolerance is not enough, you need to reach out your hand,
and say 'Welcome aboard mate.'
A favourite story from my old man was when he was an
apprentice, and they were all having a beer in the local pub.
He had one and then said he'd had enough. He rode a motorbike,
played tennis, footy, skiied (Cross country, no pansy chairlifts
in those days). He never liked being pissed and stupid. But the
older hands gave him shit, the usual Aussie crap "What's wrong
with ya, ya bloody poofda!" until the leading hand turned around
from the bar and said "Leave the lad alone, if he doesn't want
a beer, he doesn't have to have a bloody beer!"
They probally wont be saying that when they have a hangover the next
morning.
Post by fasgnadh
That's how I think of multiculturalism.... it's just another
word for freedom, for the guts to be who you are, and to
support the same right for others.. all the rest of this
racist shit is just useless drivel by gutless cowards and
jackbooted wankers.
Yep unless that freedom harms another (like honour killings etc) then I
say let them have the freedom to have their own beliefs.
Especially when those beliefs involve the deliberate, systematic
oppression and murder of those of OTHER faiths.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by fasgnadh
Peace and Joy at Christmas, Seon, and through the year.
Thanks same to you, even the islamophobes. Everyone deserves a merry xmas.
Yeah, like you give a flying french fuck about Christmas muslim boi. Happy
Ramadan!
B J Foster
2007-12-23 21:41:03 UTC
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...
Post by fasgnadh
Peace and Joy at Christmas, Seon, and through the year.
This has to bloody-well stop!

Bloody appeasers are getting out of hand.

Now they want to ban Christmas...


"Christmas Abolished To Appease Islam

Christmas, that well-known Christian Festival to mark the birth of the
Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the one true God in Heaven, and not
some stinking old bloke in a smock with tatty sandals, is to be
abolished next year in a bid to appease Muslims, who consider it 'an
insult to Islam'. Muslims, who get outraged over anything these days,
have complained to the government that Christmas, in its current form,
is blasphemous to the prophet Muhammad, in that, it isn't Islamic.
Therefore, say Muslim leaders, it should be cancelled forthwith.

Labour Minister for Festivals, Don Bauble, told MPs in the Commons
yesterday, that, although Christmas was a joyous time in many countries,
where families came together and showed their love for one another by
giving lavish presents such as money and Argos Gift Vouchers, this was
seen by many Muslims as 'a sign of Western decadence'.

Bauble went on to say that this Christmas would go ahead as planned, but
in the face of continued and pronounced outrage by Funded Mentalists who
have threatened terrorist nativities, next year would undergo some
drastic changes.

Christmas 2008 will be known as Chrislam, and will be marked only by a
special squad of marksmen firing a volley of machine gun bullets above
the cities from dawn until dusk between December 23rd and December 28th.
No gifts will be exchanged, and live animal sacrifices will be shown
live on all TC channnels instead of the more traditional Queen's speech.
Everybody will watch.

The news will come as a blow to retailers, who have seen profits slump
to an all-time low in the last quarter of this year, and breweries, who
will bear the brunt of the strict no-alcohol policy of clean-living Muslims.

Mr Bauble said: 'We have to face up to the fact that we are now a
multi-cultural society, and there has to be a level of acceptance and
harmony across the cultural landscape'".
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i27998
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 01:52:44 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
...
Post by fasgnadh
Peace and Joy at Christmas, Seon, and through the year.
This has to bloody-well stop!
Bloody appeasers are getting out of hand.
Now they want to ban Christmas...
"Christmas Abolished To Appease Islam
Bugger it.. this happens EVERY YEAR!

Some kindergarten bans Santa, and says it's because
fat men with beards make the kiddies cry (too many
paedophile warnings on the Wiggles?) but we ALL KNOW
it's the Muslims, conspiring and pulling strings! B^D
Post by B J Foster
Christmas, that well-known Christian Festival to mark the birth of the
Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the one true God in Heaven, and not
some stinking old bloke in a smock with tatty sandals, is to be
abolished next year in a bid to appease Muslims, who consider it 'an
insult to Islam'. Muslims, who get outraged over anything these days,
have complained to the government that Christmas, in its current form,
is blasphemous to the prophet Muhammad, in that, it isn't Islamic.
Therefore, say Muslim leaders, it should be cancelled forthwith.
Labour Minister for Festivals, Don Bauble, told MPs in the Commons
yesterday, that, although Christmas was a joyous time in many countries,
where families came together and showed their love for one another by
giving lavish presents such as money and Argos Gift Vouchers, this was
seen by many Muslims as 'a sign of Western decadence'.
Bauble went on to say that this Christmas would go ahead as planned, but
in the face of continued and pronounced outrage by Funded Mentalists who
have threatened terrorist nativities, next year would undergo some
drastic changes.
Christmas 2008 will be known as Chrislam, and will be marked only by a
special squad of marksmen firing a volley of machine gun bullets above
the cities from dawn until dusk between December 23rd and December 28th.
No gifts will be exchanged, and live animal sacrifices will be shown
live on all TC channnels instead of the more traditional Queen's speech.
Everybody will watch.
The news will come as a blow to retailers, who have seen profits slump
to an all-time low in the last quarter of this year, and breweries, who
will bear the brunt of the strict no-alcohol policy of clean-living Muslims.
Mr Bauble said: 'We have to face up to the fact that we are now a
multi-cultural society, and there has to be a level of acceptance and
harmony across the cultural landscape'".
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i27998
Are you sure this is a spoof, it reads like one of Arf'a Brain's posts,
The spoof has more ranting, but Arf'a's are funnier.

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2007-12-24 04:43:40 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
...
Post by fasgnadh
Peace and Joy at Christmas, Seon, and through the year.
This has to bloody-well stop!
Bloody appeasers are getting out of hand.
Now they want to ban Christmas...
"Christmas Abolished To Appease Islam
Bugger it.. this happens EVERY YEAR!
Some kindergarten bans Santa, and says it's because
fat men with beards make the kiddies cry (too many
paedophile warnings on the Wiggles?) but we ALL KNOW
it's the Muslims, conspiring and pulling strings! B^D
Isn't it just too bad that evidence exists to back up this
claim?

Muslims have been attempting to introduce muslim
religious doctrine into the US public school system.

Muslims have had foot baths installed in public locations
at public expense in the US.
fasgnadh
2007-12-24 05:44:39 UTC
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Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by fasgnadh
Peace and Joy at Christmas, Seon, and through the year.
This has to bloody-well stop!
Bloody appeasers are getting out of hand.
Now they want to ban Christmas...
"Christmas Abolished To Appease Islam
Bugger it.. this happens EVERY YEAR!
Some kindergarten bans Santa, and says it's because
fat men with beards make the kiddies cry (too many
paedophile warnings on the Wiggles?) but we ALL KNOW
it's the Muslims, conspiring and pulling strings! B^D
Isn't it just too bad that evidence exists to back up this
claim?
You poor stupid ignorant twonk, Muslims revere Issa(Jesus)!

They adore Mariam, (Mary) and affirm the Virgin Birth which many
modern 'Christians' deny!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

When my daughter was in kindy, her best friend was Inshani,
a Muslim girl whose father was an engineer and mother was
one of the most elegant, sophisticated women I have ever met.

Inshani was chosen to play Mary in the Christmas pageant,
she looked a natural in the Hijab Mary would have worn!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

My daughter was an Angel, and what would the children of
a brainless hate-filled bigot like you have been..?
...a goat, then you could have ridden them as you usually do.

pfffft!

What do you hope to gain by all your 'Dirty Jew' Nazi propaganda
updated slightly to demonize the Other Semites?

The politics of racism were defeated when Hanson was flushed away,
the politics of hate fear and division were flushed with Howard...

you rancid racists are ineffectual rabid ranters..

Go out and meet some Muslims, and some Sikhs and Jews while you
are at it.

All that I am telling you can be summarized thus: there are
good and bad in every ethnicity, religion and sporting club.

Don't throw the entire Muslim baby out with the Extremist
bathwater.
Post by Doug
Muslims have been attempting to introduce muslim
religious doctrine into the US public school system.
Imitating Christians, eh, but with less effect.

"Creation Science(sic)" demonstrates that the medieval irrationalists
still exist among the Christians, as if the Exclusive Brethren, Petzl
and Arf'a Brain hadn't already proven it!

Your problem is that bigotry and prejudice BLINDS you.. you
think everyone is like you and sees only one side.

I have posts in the Usenet archives about the torture of
my friend in the dungeons of Teheran which would make your hair
stand on end! They told her all she had to do was renounce
her faith and declare herself a Muslim, and she could go free.

11 of her companions in jail were executed.

Do you blathering Idiots think you have anything to tell me,
or her, about the Iranian mullahs? Her people have been
persecuted in Iran since it was Persia! They are banned from
government employment, their children cannot enter university
they are tortured and killed.

And here is the difference between that woman, a woman of true
faith, and you rabid dogs... she invites Muslim Uni students
who live in her block of flats in for dinner.

She hobbles about on feet still broken from the bastinado
and serves them tea and Persian sweets.

She wins them over with her genuine warmth and affection. B^D

She follows this bloke's father, who was also beaten and
tortured, and finally exiled from Persia.. The son is called
Abdul Baha and though his father and his entire family were
mistreated by the Imams, this photo shows him being Knighted
by the British for his service ...to the Palestinians!

Loading Image...

Standing behind him you can see representatives of the
Ottoman Sultan, who had, at the request of the Persians,
cast the entire family into a prison in Akka, a city so
pestilential it was said that birds flying overhead would fall
from the sky, dead.

How can a man win over such determined and vicious enemies, gain not
merely the release of his family but the affection of so many that
when he died Christians, Muslims and Jews thronged to his funeral
and wept?

I could weep for your hate filled ignorance, but I rejoice
in my friend's love and deep understanding.

You are a frightened little man, but she withstood the worst
that haters like you could throw at her, and did not bend.

She is a shining light in a world of darkness, and we can only
thank God, just as she does, everyday.

Such are the true believers, be they Christian, Muslim or Jew.
Post by Doug
Muslims have had foot baths installed in public locations
at public expense in the US.
Pity they haven't managed Mouth Washes, then you could cleanse
yours of your filthy hate-filled speech.



"Peace be with you" as my Catholic friends say in church,
turning to those around them, be they prostitute, Tax collector
or the returned Messiah, you can't tell by looking and certainly
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2007-12-24 09:41:34 UTC
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Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by fasgnadh
Peace and Joy at Christmas, Seon, and through the year.
This has to bloody-well stop!
Bloody appeasers are getting out of hand.
Now they want to ban Christmas...
"Christmas Abolished To Appease Islam
Bugger it.. this happens EVERY YEAR!
Some kindergarten bans Santa, and says it's because
fat men with beards make the kiddies cry (too many
paedophile warnings on the Wiggles?) but we ALL KNOW
it's the Muslims, conspiring and pulling strings! B^D
Isn't it just too bad that evidence exists to back up this
claim?
Muslims have been attempting to introduce muslim
religious doctrine into the US public school system.
Christians HAVE introduced religios doctrine into the
US public school system. "Intelligent Design (sic)" ring
and church bells? Lunatics.
Post by Doug
Muslims have had foot baths installed in public locations
at public expense in the US.
GOSH! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!

Mark Addinall.
Doug
2007-12-23 22:37:16 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
You won't have to wait long,
They are the hypocrites who seek out the 1 extremist,
and declare him the 'Muslim representative' rather than
listen to 13,000 Islamic scholars who don't fit their
stereotyping bigotry.
I'd cry, but I'm still waiting for the body counts of infidels
in N. African to be tallied.
Post by fasgnadh
They are the ones who scream hysterically "Where are the
Muslim Leaders denouncing violence" and then IGNORING IT..
OR DENYING IT.. WHEN THEY ARE PRESENTED WITH thousands of
Muslim leaders doing precisely that.
See above.
Post by fasgnadh
Waleed Ali asks why HE is supposed to denounce every misdeed
by Muslims, which have nothing to do with him, but Christians
are not called upon to do the same. He says he spends so
much time denouncing things that he feels like he does nothing
else.. but it is never enough, it is as if they want him
to offer up something else, to renounce Islam, to say 'ok,
I'll stop being a Muslim to satisfy your relentless anger'
Who's "relentless anger" are we talking about? Yours? Or
your muslim brethern?

Rest of amateur islamic propaganda snipped.
Hunter01
2007-12-24 04:39:21 UTC
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Post by Doug
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
You won't have to wait long,
They are the hypocrites who seek out the 1 extremist,
and declare him the 'Muslim representative' rather than
listen to 13,000 Islamic scholars who don't fit their
stereotyping bigotry.
I'd cry, but I'm still waiting for the body counts of infidels
in N. African to be tallied.
And lets see how many Muslims tally up at the hands of the Christian
loons in Africa... Hmmm..... Maybe, just maybe, considering it seems to
be fairly equally spread, and some of the nastiest terrorist movements
in Africa actually happen to be Christian, maybe where this stuff is
happening it's just a case of hatred (old tribal hatreds, whatever),
where religion is just an excuse? Hmmm? Maybe????

Spose it's either that or you're saying the Xtians are every bit as
crazy to use the ground-plane you've set with your example...
Doug
2007-12-23 22:32:12 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
Seon will make an excellent dhimmi mamluk. Keep it up Seon!
Doug
2007-12-23 22:33:11 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
Seon forgot the rest of the story:

"Among the slaughtered Christians found in Nigeria, Darfur and Sudan
on Christmas were..."
Hunter01
2007-12-24 04:58:57 UTC
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Post by Doug
Post by Seon Ferguson
*waits for the islamaphobes to spread their hatred again*
"Among the slaughtered Christians found in Nigeria, Darfur and Sudan
on Christmas were..."
We just need to look at Rwanda where the Christian churches were
condemned for their role in relation to the genocide that happened
there, yet the Muslims (and 7th Day Adventists of all people) were
praised as those who did the most to try to hide and protect those being
murdered.... Cuts both ways, don't it


And lets not forget the Christian lunatics responsible for countless
atrocities in the "last bastion of Christian Europe" as the called
themselves, Serbia. Doesn't look like Christians have any more to be
proud of than the Muslims do.
fasgnadh
2008-01-15 22:45:11 UTC
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the Holy Scriptures with that
uniformity which we admire in them. And he took that from Saint Irenaeus.

Saint Hilary, in his preface to the Psalms, says that Esdras arranged the
Psalms in order.

The origin of this tradition comes from the 14th chapter of the fourth book
of Esdras. Deus glorificatus est, et Scripturae vere divinae creditae sunt,
omnibus eandem et eisdem verbis et eisdem nominibus recitantibus ab initio
usque ad finem, uti et praesentes gentes cognoscerent quoniam per
inspirationem Dei interpretatae sunt Scripturae, et non esset mirabile Deum
hoc in eis operatum: quando in ea captivitate populi quae facta est a
Nabuchodonosor, corruptis scripturis et post 70 annos Judaeis descendentibus
in regionem suam, et post deinde temporibus Artaxerxis Persarum regis,
inspiravit Esdrae sacerdoti tribus Levi praeteritorum prophetarum omnes
rememorare sermones, et restituere populo eam legem quae data est per
Moysen.[114]

633. Against the story in Esdras, 2 Maccab. 2.; Josephus, Antiquities, II,
i.--Cyrus took occasion from the prophecy of Isaiah to release the people.
The Jews held their property in peace under Cyrus in Babylon; he
Staydar
2007-12-23 08:54:40 UTC
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"fasgnadh" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:476dcdb1$0$4007$***@news.optusnet.com.au...
Hey Fags....how would you get on filling yourself up with plonk daily in a
muslim country?
fasgnadh
2007-12-23 10:10:35 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
"Letter instills new hope"
- Sunday Herald Sun 23/12/2007
"AT year's end, positive news deserves reflection.
And doubly so when it concerns inter-faith relations.
We frequently hear the voices of hatred and division,
the racist bigots in Usenet, the radio shock jocks,
ranting media populists, and those individuals whose
extreme views make them 'newsworthy'.
But what do the leaders of the broader community say?
"On October 13,138 Muslim scholars and leaders sent
a letter to the world's most influential Christian
leaders, calling on them to join in making peace and harmony.
With Christians and Muslims constituting about 55 per
cent of humanity, the very survival of the world depends
on it and "our very eternal souls" are at stake if we
fail to try."
A friend tells me that the interfaith dialogue between
Christians and Muslims has dramatically increased in
the past few years. After 14 centuries of enmity, it
is good to see the family healing its feud.
"Titled A Common Word between Us and You, the 29-page
letter emphasised that Islam and Christianity have their
two most foundational principles in common: the love of
God and the love of one's neighbor.
http://www.acommonword.com/
This, the letter insisted, means "the basis for . .
. peace and understanding already exists".
Muslim factions which otherwise agree on nothing were
able to agree on this."
What I enjoy about Waqleed is that he is a fierce critic
of his own community.. as the scriptures say "Remove the
beam from thine own eye before you remove the mote from
your brother's" Amen to that!
"The timing was symbolic: at the end of the sacred month
of Ramadan, and about a year after various Muslims reacted
with despicable violence to the Pope's now infamous
Regensburg address in which he quoted a medieval text
describing Islam as "evil and inhuman".
It is encouraging that the Pope replied to express
"deep appreciation" for the letter, inviting a
delegation of the signatories to meet him."
Ratsinger is problematic, even to many Catholics, but
he cannot undo the Church's doctrine stated by
Pope Paul VI, without undoing the Catholics theological
# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."
It is not the biggest news story of 2007, but
it gives me hope."
Well founded hope, this is the age of All Things Made New,
Peace and Joy, brother ...Peace and Joy!
* Muslim Message: Waleed Ali
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963507-5006016,00.html
* Catholic message: Christopher Prowse
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963506-5006016,00.html
* Jewish message: Anton Block
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963508-5006016,00.html
* Anglican message: Dr Philip Freier
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22963505-5006016,00.html
Hey Fags....
Please stop using my thread to broadcast solicitations to your
boyfriends.
Post by Staydar
how would you get on filling yourself up with plonk daily in a
muslim country?
I knew some blokes at the Met Bureau who worked in Saudi,
they brewed up in their bathtub.

I think, if asked by Saudi police, they might have denied
all knowledge. That wouldn't have been Taqiyyah, because
it would not be protecting the faith, self or others from
evildoing, it would simply be lying to protect their arse
from the law, something every criminal, in every culture,
and of any faith, might do.

"Taqiyya is concealing faith and displaying nonbelief;
while Hypocrisy is the concealment of unbelief and the
display of belief.
They are TOTAL opposites in function, form, and meaning."


But your simplistic and jingoistic approach shows you have
no real understanding, and your blind bigotry and hatred
ensures you will develop none.


"The Quran reveals the nature of hypocrisy with the following verse:

"When they meet those who believe, they say: `We Believe;' but when
they are alone with their evil ones, they say: `We are really with
you, we (were) only jesting [2:14]."

The Quran then reveals al-Taqiyya with the following verses:

"A Believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had CONCEALED
his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, `My Lord is
Allah'?....[40:28]" (Emphasis added.)"

You will find, if you actually read the Holy Books, that the God
of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed likes to play with shysters
who think they can outsmart him. It is written that the infidels,
(not the Christians and Jews, they are Children of the Book) but those
who seek to harm the believers, will be confounded by scripture,
for them it is a trap.

I did not set the trap, I merely pointed out to all those
who bear witness, that you and Arfa are in it. By dint
of ignorance, or more seriously for you, malice, is not my place
to judge, but you are surely, up to your bottom lip and drowning,
in it!

Praise be God, the Wise, the Just.


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