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Why do the left hate so much?
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SPierce
2011-12-31 19:56:15 UTC
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For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
Thatcher on the other hand did only one of these things - expanded
welfare state
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is today
compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away German
used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same bolt-holes in
the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
DonH
2011-12-31 20:27:55 UTC
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Post by SPierce
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
Thatcher on the other hand did only one of these things - expanded
welfare state
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new
machinery to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is
today compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away
German used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were
waiting at the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same
bolt-holes in the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free
ejacashon' the Americans paid for.
# Ah, yes, the Lessons of History.
The rise of Nazism can partly be blamed on reparations demanded by the
Treaty of Versailles, and so, the Americans, in order to avoid the same
mistake after WWII, pumped aid into Europe to help it rebuild - but also to
ward off threat of Europe going Commie.
Poor old Britain, however, has only recently repaid Lend Lease (war
loans).
Churchill was dumped in favour of Atlee, as the Brits had tired of blood,
sweat and tears.
As for Maggie Thatcher, the grocer's daughter and Iron Lady, she mainly
defended the Status Quo, until finally kicked upstairs to become a
Baronness.
Female Leaders try to prove they're as macho as any man, but the most
that can be said of them is, as a corollary of Murphy's Law, "A woman can
make as big a hash of things as any man."
Gordon Levi
2012-01-01 10:09:43 UTC
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Post by SPierce
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is today
compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away German
used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same bolt-holes in
the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
You have made it clear that your emotional ties to Germany are
stronger than those to the U.K. Do you have any measurable attributes
that makes Germany superior or is this belief just another way of
denigrating you birth place.
SPierce
2012-01-01 11:58:45 UTC
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Post by Gordon Levi
Post by SPierce
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is today
compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away German
used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same bolt-holes in
the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
You have made it clear that your emotional ties to Germany are
stronger than those to the U.K. Do you have any measurable attributes
that makes Germany superior or is this belief just another way of
denigrating you birth place.
# I have no emotional ties to Germany. I respect intelligence and I see it
in Germans.

I do not denigrate my birthplace, I denigrate people who have allowed
Africans and Pakistanis preference over Germans to inhabit my birthplace.
We went to war supposedly to keep clever Germans from invading and allowed
the lowest of intelligent beings on the planet to walk in. That makes me
angry. Viking angry.
Dustin
2012-01-02 22:19:22 UTC
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Post by SPierce
Post by Gordon Levi
Post by SPierce
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans,
to create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the
American tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with
brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is
today compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take
away German used machinery after the war as reparations when the
Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same
bolt-holes in the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
You have made it clear that your emotional ties to Germany are
stronger than those to the U.K. Do you have any measurable
attributes that makes Germany superior or is this belief just
another way of denigrating you birth place.
# I have no emotional ties to Germany. I respect intelligence and I
see it in Germans.
I too respect intelligence and I've seen much German engineering work
that's quite impressive. I'm merely speaking from technical aspects. I
have no wish to discuss their belief system or other aspects.
--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts
saracene
2012-01-02 22:28:16 UTC
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  That makes me
angry.  Viking angry.
You another Breivik?
SPierce
2012-01-02 23:27:43 UTC
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Post by SPierce
That makes me
angry. Viking angry.
You another Breivik?

# I am, yes. The difference being he had the guts to *do* something to the
communist bastards ruining his country with Muslims. But see how they got
two patsy psychiatrists to get him labeled insane so he can't stand up in a
court and broadcast his attitude to the world anymore. He will now be
attended for 're-education' by psychiatrists. That was the Soviet method
for their dissident writers in the 1960s. But I think Breivic is a real
Viking. I hope he kills them too.
B J Foster
2012-01-03 03:34:36 UTC
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Post by saracene
Post by SPierce
That makes me
angry. Viking angry.
You another Breivik?
# I am, yes. The difference being he had the guts to *do* something to the
communist bastards ruining his country with Muslims. But see how they got
two patsy psychiatrists to get him labeled insane so he can't stand up in a
court and broadcast his attitude to the world anymore. He will now be
attended for 're-education' by psychiatrists. That was the Soviet method
for their dissident writers in the 1960s. But I think Breivic is a real
Viking. I hope he kills them too.
Breivic killed innocent people - innocent, even from the most twisted
conceivable perspective. That makes you a psychopath too.
Aardvark
2012-01-03 18:35:27 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
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That makes me angry. Viking angry.
You another Breivik?
# I am, yes. The difference being he had the guts to *do* something
to the communist bastards ruining his country with Muslims. But see
how they got two patsy psychiatrists to get him labeled insane so he
can't stand up in a court and broadcast his attitude to the world
anymore. He will now be attended for 're-education' by psychiatrists.
That was the Soviet method for their dissident writers in the 1960s.
But I think Breivic is a real Viking. I hope he kills them too.
Breivic killed innocent people - innocent, even from the most twisted
conceivable perspective. That makes you a psychopath too.
I tend to agree with your assessment.
--
"And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
King Richard III (I, iii, 336-338)
DM
2012-01-03 01:27:57 UTC
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Post by SPierce
Post by Gordon Levi
Post by SPierce
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is today
compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away German
used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same bolt-holes in
the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
You have made it clear that your emotional ties to Germany are
stronger than those to the U.K. Do you have any measurable attributes
that makes Germany superior or is this belief just another way of
denigrating you birth place.
# I have no emotional ties to Germany. I respect intelligence and I see it
in Germans.
I do not denigrate my birthplace, I denigrate people who have allowed
Africans and Pakistanis preference over Germans to inhabit my birthplace.
We went to war supposedly to keep clever Germans from invading and allowed
the lowest of intelligent beings on the planet to walk in. That makes me
angry. Viking angry.
Thats the Poms for you. Very generous unless you try to take something from
them without their permission. Just ask the Argentines.

BTW Stan despite the parlous state you claim the UK is in, its only a couple of
places below Germany in GDP per capita. Germany is nineteenth in the world and
the UK is 22nd.

Australia, who's population is overwhelmingly made up of immigrants, is 7th.
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DM
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SPierce
2012-01-03 02:09:17 UTC
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"DM" <d-***@adfa.edu.au> wrote in message news:8A52F52D-DB1C-4942-9C17-BD8D2DF30073%d-***@adfa.edu.au...
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Post by DM
Thats the Poms for you. Very generous unless you try to take something from
them without their permission. Just ask the Argentines.
# You betcha. That's how we used to be.
Post by DM
BTW Stan despite the parlous state you claim the UK is in, its only a couple of
places below Germany in GDP per capita. Germany is nineteenth in the world and
the UK is 22nd.
Australia, who's population is overwhelmingly made up of immigrants, is 7th.
# True, for digging fucking great holes in the ground. All dug out by
foreigners for foreigners. Hardly a brain job for Australians to do as the
result of it. Fucking disgrace.

I'd make the bastards build an Engineering University of The Pilbara or
wherever as part of the deal to mine the place and make them teach
Australians to do ALL the work to do with mining and oil and gas. Instead
we have a load of socialist pricks who distribute the tax and royalties to
every fucking asylum shopper and single mum with various coloured kids who
wants to live the good life at our expense...and no work ever for them in
the future. A disaster policy. Germans wouldn't do it. They had to bring a
German engineer out here to build a frigging road tunnel under the
river...and this a mining country.

It's not doing what obviously needs to be done where the lack of
intelligence in our society shows.
B J Foster
2012-01-03 04:09:44 UTC
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Post by SPierce
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Post by DM
Thats the Poms for you. Very generous unless you try to take something from
them without their permission. Just ask the Argentines.
# You betcha. That's how we used to be.
Post by DM
BTW Stan despite the parlous state you claim the UK is in, its only a couple of
places below Germany in GDP per capita. Germany is nineteenth in the world and
the UK is 22nd.
Australia, who's population is overwhelmingly made up of immigrants, is 7th.
# True, for digging fucking great holes in the ground. All dug out by
foreigners for foreigners. Hardly a brain job for Australians to do as the
result of it. Fucking disgrace.
If it weren't for the FGH our GDP per capita wouldn't be 7th.
Post by SPierce
I'd make the bastards build an Engineering University of The Pilbara or
wherever as part of the deal to mine the place and make them teach
Australians to do ALL the work to do with mining and oil and gas.
Bastards?
Post by SPierce
Instead
we have a load of socialist pricks who distribute the tax and royalties to
every fucking asylum shopper and single mum with various coloured kids who
wants to live the good life at our expense...and no work ever for them in
the future.A disaster policy.
One minute you're ranting about 'the bastards' (that is, the guys that
get our GDP to 7th), next you're ranting about the socialists. It is
hard to pin down exactly what your issue is.

Should we not mine our minerals?
Should we not distribute the wealth?
Post by SPierce
Germans wouldn't do it. They had to bring a
German engineer out here to build a frigging road tunnel under the
river...and this a mining country.
So? That's the most cost-effective way to handle one-off jobs. Besides
the mining engineers are pretty busy right now.
Post by SPierce
It's not doing what obviously needs to be done where the lack of
intelligence in our society shows.
Totally agree. If only the tax share of the mining income wealth could
be reinvested intelligently. Instead we have the NBN.

Costello was right to put it into a fund. Leave the decisions in the
hands of private enterprise.
DM
2012-01-03 01:18:43 UTC
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# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to  
create the socialist welfare state.  The Germans used the American  
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery  
to create wealth and therefore new jobs.
What happened to the state of the art shipyards and factories in Germany that
required their replacement? Crushed and burned by products of the state of the
art shipyards and factories in the UK that didn't suffer this fate weren't they?
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DM
personal opinion only
Addinall
2012-01-03 01:44:25 UTC
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Post by DM
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state.  The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs.
What happened to the state of the art shipyards and factories in Germany that
required their replacement? Crushed and burned by products of the state of the
art shipyards and factories in the UK that didn't suffer this fate weren't they?
GErmany is pretty much on its merry way to being fucked soon.
From being a net energy exporter to change overnight to a net
energy importerwill screw manufacturing almost as much as our Oxygen
Tax.

Propping up the Green PIGS will be the straw.

Mark Addinall.
Post by DM
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DM
personal opinion only
yaputya
2012-01-04 00:27:01 UTC
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Post by DM
Post by SPierce
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs.
What happened to the state of the art shipyards and factories in Germany that
required their replacement? Crushed and burned by products of the state of the
art shipyards and factories in the UK that didn't suffer this fate weren't they?
GErmany is pretty much on its merry way to being fucked soon.
From being a net energy exporter to change overnight to a net
energy importerwill screw manufacturing almost as much as our Oxygen
Tax.

Propping up the Green PIGS will be the straw.

Mark Addinall.
Post by DM
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DM
personal opinion only
It has been a long time since Germany was a net energy exporter, to say
it changed overnight is just ridiculous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany

Anyway, Germany is still one of the top 3 exporters of manufactured goods,
what is Australia going to do when the dig up the last natural resource ?
Germany's Greens are a result of something called democracy.

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