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Fran
2020-04-20 03:59:45 UTC
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I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
some reason:
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.

My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband. If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.

We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Petzl
2020-04-20 04:43:15 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband. If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Not that you are important but
Everyone you talked to will be logged and where you were.
Those you talked can be followed to see who they talked to.
Also using blue-tooth puts a excessive drain on a mobile battery.
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the judiciary must apply the law!
Sir John Downer Kings Council, stated, when the Australian Constitution was finally adopted and on behalf of future generations,
‘Our Australian Commonwealth from its first stage will be a Christian Commonwealth’.
Dechucka
2020-04-20 05:50:38 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband. If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Not that you are important but
Everyone you talked to will be logged and where you were.
Those you talked can be followed to see who they talked to.
Have they run out of tin-foil at ALDIs?
Post by Petzl
Also using blue-tooth puts a excessive drain on a mobile battery.
Fran
2020-04-21 04:00:55 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Not that you are important but
Everyone you talked to will be logged and where you were.
Those you talked can be followed to see who they talked to.
Have they run out of tin-foil at ALDIs?
He looks quite fetching in his current one. But he should do his
homework on the app.
Petzl
2020-04-21 08:13:26 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Not that you are important but
Everyone you talked to will be logged and where you were.
Those you talked can be followed to see who they talked to.
Have they run out of tin-foil at ALDIs?
He looks quite fetching in his current one. But he should do his
homework on the app.
Big lying snip of facts
<https://www.macarthuradvertiser.com.au/story/6728495/the-covid-19-app-a-risk-worth-taking/?cs=17267&fbclid=IwAR3Nv6LblJ8bw9RoHmrB0Aa_4R6jcv8UABHLlu-9AGkQcjFtdy8lKH5jDrs>
https://is.gd/tglHqq
Even this is not completely true

What is the COVID-19 contact tracing app the government is developing?

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Petzl

Australian Politician
when you’re driving along a country road
and you come across a fence post with a turtle
balanced on top,
that’s called a fencepost turtle

You know he didn’t get up there by himself,
he definitely doesn’t belong up there,
he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there,
and you just gotta wonder what kind of dill
put him up there in the first place!
Dechucka
2020-04-21 08:23:50 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Not that you are important but
Everyone you talked to will be logged and where you were.
Those you talked can be followed to see who they talked to.
Have they run out of tin-foil at ALDIs?
He looks quite fetching in his current one. But he should do his
homework on the app.
Big lying snip of facts
<https://www.macarthuradvertiser.com.au/story/6728495/the-covid-19-app-a-risk-worth-taking/?cs=17267&fbclid=IwAR3Nv6LblJ8bw9RoHmrB0Aa_4R6jcv8UABHLlu-9AGkQcjFtdy8lKH5jDrs>
https://is.gd/tglHqq
Even this is not completely true
What is the COVID-19 contact tracing app the government is developing?
Could it be the one mentioned in your cite?
Daniel60
2020-04-21 13:21:17 UTC
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Petzl wrote on 21/04/2020 6:13 PM:

<Snip>
Post by Petzl
Big lying snip of facts
<https://www.macarthuradvertiser.com.au/story/6728495/the-covid-19-app-a-risk-worth-taking/?cs=17267&fbclid=IwAR3Nv6LblJ8bw9RoHmrB0Aa_4R6jcv8UABHLlu-9AGkQcjFtdy8lKH5jDrs>
https://is.gd/tglHqq
Even this is not completely true
If even you know your reference "is not completely true", why do you
even bother posting it??
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Daniel
Xeno
2020-04-20 11:20:17 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband. If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Not that you are important but
Everyone you talked to will be logged and where you were.
Those you talked can be followed to see who they talked to.
Also using blue-tooth puts a excessive drain on a mobile battery.
My BT is on all the time as I use it to connect to my car for handsfree
phone use when on the go.
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Petzl
2020-04-20 11:28:06 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband. If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Not that you are important but
Everyone you talked to will be logged and where you were.
Those you talked can be followed to see who they talked to.
Also using blue-tooth puts a excessive drain on a mobile battery.
My BT is on all the time as I use it to connect to my car for handsfree
phone use when on the go.
I don't drive by have my own car, I get driven, it also has bluetooth
tuned on all the time. But it is always on charge, WiFi/Data also
taxes the mobiles battery.
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Petzl
When all the guns have been banned,

When all the words have been censored,

When all the history has been erased,

When all the freedom has been taken,

Only then will you discover that you
should've spoke up and done something

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Dechucka
2020-04-20 05:49:45 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant cluster
fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it was like
National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying "you'll be
able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Ned Latham
2020-04-20 06:43:41 UTC
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Dopey wrote:

----snip----
Post by Dechucka
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government
So you agree with Barnaby, ay Dopey?
Daniel60
2020-04-20 10:41:59 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing
what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant cluster
fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it was like
National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying "you'll be
able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile, so if I
want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or Google something,
I first have to switch on my 'Data'.

I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told' about
anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
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Daniel
Ned Latham
2020-04-20 12:07:11 UTC
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Daniel60 wrote:

----snip----
Post by Daniel60
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile,
so if I want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or
Google something, I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
I did that for a while, then I realised that my usage and my plan
were compatible with leaving it on, so now I do. The convenience
encourages more use, but I still don't come anywhere near my plan
limit.
Post by Daniel60
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told'
about anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
Of course if "they" were interested in people whose 'Data' was
turned off most of the time...
Petzl
2020-04-20 21:27:02 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:07:11 -0500, Ned Latham
Post by Ned Latham
----snip----
Post by Daniel60
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile,
so if I want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or
Google something, I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
I did that for a while, then I realised that my usage and my plan
were compatible with leaving it on, so now I do. The convenience
encourages more use, but I still don't come anywhere near my plan
limit.
Maybe my phone is a bit dated, but leaving WiFi, Bluetooth.data on my
mobile battery won't last 8 hours?
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Daniel60
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told'
about anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
Of course if "they" were interested in people whose 'Data' was
turned off most of the time...
AFAUK the App only identifs those who were wirhin 1.6 metres of you
and for how long,
More than 15 minutes gets you and whoever a $1000 fine?
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Petzl
when man stops believing in God
it’s not that he believes in nothing;
it’s that he’ll believe in anything.
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Dechucka
2020-04-20 21:30:13 UTC
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AFAUK the App only identifs those who were wirhin 1.6 metres of you
Post by Petzl
and for how long,
More than 15 minutes gets you and whoever a $1000 fine?
How and why?
Petzl
2020-04-20 22:04:47 UTC
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AFAIK the App only identies those who were wirhin 1.5 metres of you
Post by Petzl
and for how long,
More than 15 minutes gets you and whoever a $1000 fine?
How and why?
you are bullshitting me again.
The APP identifies you and those you come into contact with. and those
they come in contact with.
All info will need a data upload, bluetooth won't do this.
The Police have instructions to fine everyone outside family who is in
close contact (>1.5 metres) for 15 minutes or over a fine of $1000.
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Petzl
when man stops believing in God
it’s not that he believes in nothing;
it’s that he’ll believe in anything.
G. K. Chesterton
Dechucka
2020-04-20 23:06:47 UTC
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AFAIK the App only identies those who were wirhin 1.5 metres of you
Post by Petzl
and for how long,
More than 15 minutes gets you and whoever a $1000 fine?
How and why?
you are bullshitting me again.
Never, I just want you to explain your paranoid statement in light of
what we know about the app.
Post by Petzl
The APP identifies you and those you come into contact with.
If they are also running the app.
Post by Petzl
and those
they come in contact with.
Who are running the app.
Post by Petzl
All info will need a data upload, bluetooth won't do this.
So how do the police get the information and thus fine you?
Post by Petzl
The Police have instructions to fine everyone
Everyone? That's a bit harsh, when will my neighbour who drives the
ambulance with her partner expect her fine? Wait, that call-out the
Brigade had last week I'll have to check but I'm sure it was over 15
minutes between leaving station and being on scene. I'll just send my
money straight to Angus
Post by Petzl
outside family who is in
close contact (>1.5 metres) for 15 minutes or over a fine of $1000.
Really? Where did this 15 minutes come from
Petzl
2020-04-21 00:29:30 UTC
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Post by Petzl
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AFAIK the App only identies those who were wirhin 1.5 metres of you
Post by Petzl
and for how long,
More than 15 minutes gets you and whoever a $1000 fine?
How and why?
you are bullshitting me again.
Never, I just want you to explain your paranoid statement in light of
what we know about the app.
Post by Petzl
The APP identifies you and those you come into contact with.
If they are also running the app.
If under 40% don't it, App will be compulsory
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
and those
they come in contact with.
Who are running the app.
If under 40% don't it, App will be compulsory
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
All info will need a data upload, bluetooth won't do this.
So how do the police get the information and thus fine you?
From your App
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
The Police have instructions to fine everyone
Everyone? That's a bit harsh, when will my neighbour who drives the
ambulance with her partner expect her fine? Wait, that call-out the
Brigade had last week I'll have to check but I'm sure it was over 15
minutes between leaving station and being on scene. I'll just send my
money straight to Angus
Essential workers excluded
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
outside family who is in
close contact (>1.5 metres) for 15 minutes or over a fine of $1000.
Really? Where did this 15 minutes come from
The police.
They are booking people park beachs even scanning public places at
night time from Helicopter using night vision

They will bookeven more if "we" run the App
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Petzl

Australian Politician
when you’re driving along a country road
and you come across a fence post with a turtle
balanced on top,
that’s called a fencepost turtle

You know he didn’t get up there by himself,
he definitely doesn’t belong up there,
he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there,
and you just gotta wonder what kind of dill
put him up there in the first place!
Dechucka
2020-04-21 01:09:15 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
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AFAIK the App only identies those who were wirhin 1.5 metres of you
Post by Petzl
and for how long,
More than 15 minutes gets you and whoever a $1000 fine?
How and why?
you are bullshitting me again.
Never, I just want you to explain your paranoid statement in light of
what we know about the app.
Post by Petzl
The APP identifies you and those you come into contact with.
If they are also running the app.
If under 40% don't it, App will be compulsory
How can they make it compulsory effectively?
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
and those
they come in contact with.
Who are running the app.
If under 40% don't it, App will be compulsory
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
All info will need a data upload, bluetooth won't do this.
So how do the police get the information and thus fine you?
From your App
but the app is on my phone, do they'll need a search warrent to access
that information
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
The Police have instructions to fine everyone
Everyone? That's a bit harsh, when will my neighbour who drives the
ambulance with her partner expect her fine? Wait, that call-out the
Brigade had last week I'll have to check but I'm sure it was over 15
minutes between leaving station and being on scene. I'll just send my
money straight to Angus
Essential workers excluded
So not everybody
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
outside family who is in
close contact (>1.5 metres) for 15 minutes or over a fine of $1000.
Really? Where did this 15 minutes come from
The police.
There is not a 15 minute time frame
Post by Petzl
They are booking people park beachs even scanning public places at
night time from Helicopter using night vision
That is actually the Soros run UN/One World Gov cloaked helicopters
downloading messages to the chip implanted in your head. At the same
time they are releasing more nano-particles to be activated by the 5G
network and give you COVID-19
Post by Petzl
They will bookeven more if "we" run the App
How?
Daniel60
2020-04-21 13:25:56 UTC
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Post by Daniel60
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile,
so if I want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or
Google something, I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
I did that for a while, then I realised that my usage and my plan
were compatible with leaving it on, so now I do. The convenience
encourages more use, but I still don't come anywhere near my plan
limit.
I'm on AldiMobile Pay-as-You-Go, so having the Data turned off saves me
money!
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Daniel60
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told'
about anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
Of course if "they" were interested in people whose 'Data' was
turned off most of the time...
... "they'd" only have to ask Aldi!! ;-P
--
Daniel
Ned Latham
2020-04-21 14:14:39 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
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Post by Daniel60
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile,
so if I want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or
Google something, I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
I did that for a while, then I realised that my usage and my plan
were compatible with leaving it on, so now I do. The convenience
encourages more use, but I still don't come anywhere near my plan
limit.
I'm on AldiMobile Pay-as-You-Go, so having the Data turned off saves
me money!
Mine's Vodaphone: $30-00, 4 GB / month.
Post by Daniel60
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Daniel60
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told'
about anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
Of course if "they" were interested in people whose 'Data' was
turned off most of the time...
... "they'd" only have to ask Aldi!! ;-P
Do you shop there?
Dechucka
2020-04-20 12:31:35 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months
of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant
cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it
was like National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying
"you'll be able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy
loving bogans.
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile, so if I
want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or Google something,
I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told' about
anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
It uses blue-tooth which with location is is not activated on my phone
Ördög
2020-04-20 21:01:57 UTC
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Daniel60
/snip/
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Daniel60
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile, so if
I want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or Google
something,
I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told' about
anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
It uses blue-tooth which with location is is not activated on my phone
Blue-tooth can be a major security hazard to the user and a god sent
backdoor for any self respecting malicious hacker.
Aside from this proposed social distancing monitoring issue it is a very
good personal practice never to enable blue-tooth without an intentional
specific reason.

BTW no amount of mobile phone based surveillance technology can help the
government if one leaves the bloody phone at home, in a turned off state
at the bottom of a desk drawer most of the time (like I do). They can
only monitor those who are addicted to their bloody mobile and can't live
w/o it even for a moment.
:(
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Welcome to real Hell on Earth! :)
That is when Lieberals and Countrymorons running the show.
They rain down on you *at your expense* hate, greed, bullying, nepotism
and plutocracy!
Dechucka
2020-04-20 21:15:09 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Daniel60
/snip/
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Daniel60
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile, so if
I want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or Google
something,
I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told' about
anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
It uses blue-tooth which with location is is not activated on my phone
Blue-tooth can be a major security hazard to the user and a god sent
backdoor for any self respecting malicious hacker.
Aside from this proposed social distancing monitoring issue it is a very
good personal practice never to enable blue-tooth without an intentional
specific reason.
I had a look at what I've got turned on, no blue-tooth, no wireless and
no location. I do turn the location on when I need certain apps mainly
to do with the RFS. Of course I know my phone pings the local towers
every so often so I can be tracked if Big Brother wants to track me.
Post by Ördög
BTW no amount of mobile phone based surveillance technology can help the
government if one leaves the bloody phone at home, in a turned off state
at the bottom of a desk drawer most of the time (like I do).
I don't have a landline (kept getting blown up by lightening strikes) so
the phone stays on

They can
Post by Ördög
only monitor those who are addicted to their bloody mobile and can't live
w/o it even for a moment.
:(
My old $49 Telstra flip phone was still the best I've had. I could make
calls/receive calls and it had an FM radio so I could listen to music on
the train. Nothing much else.
Fran
2020-04-21 03:55:37 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months
of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant
cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it
was like National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying
"you'll be able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy
loving bogans.
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile, so if I
want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or Google something,
I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
Yep, that is me too. But I never feel the urge to check the weather or
use google or cricket scores etc. When we download the app, we will
both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
Post by Daniel60
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told' about
anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
Xeno
2020-04-21 05:07:45 UTC
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I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months
of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant
cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that
it was like National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister
saying "you'll be able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all
footy loving bogans.
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile, so if
I want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or Google
something, I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the weather or
use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the app, we will
both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
Post by Daniel60
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told' about
anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
Looks like a good excuse to leave the phone at home. Oddly enough, I did
that this morning, the phone was on charge, went to the supermarket and
didn't feel at all lost without the phone.
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Fran
2020-04-21 06:16:59 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12
months of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not
to try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do
with governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant
cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that
it was like National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister
saying "you'll be able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all
footy loving bogans.
As a Day-to-Day thing, I don't have 'Data' enabled on my mobile, so
if I want to look up the Weather, get the Cricket scores or Google
something, I first have to switch on my 'Data'.
Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the weather
or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the app, we
will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
Post by Daniel60
I'm guessing this would remove me from being 'scanned' or 'told'
about anyone in my neighbourhood, which is fine by me!! ;-)
Looks like a good excuse to leave the phone at home. Oddly enough, I did
that this morning, the phone was on charge, went to the supermarket and
didn't feel at all lost without the phone.
I do that too all the time but then doing that won't matter to the app
as we're moving whilst in the supermarket and so we'd not ping the sort
of bluetooth connection of "15 minutes within 1.5 metres" that applies
with the app.
Dechucka
2020-04-21 05:18:07 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the weather or
use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the app, we will
both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being collected by
blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people within 15m of you who
have the app. It is only if you come down with Covid-19 that the
information is uploaded to relevant State Health dept.

Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
Fran
2020-04-21 06:23:19 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the weather
or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the app, we
will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being collected by
blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people within 15m of you who
have the app. It is only if you come down with Covid-19 that the
information is uploaded to relevant State Health dept.
It's 1.5 metres and contact with them for 15 minutes and it doesn't
record location - just the contact.

I dunno about you but my chances of meeting that sort of time and
distance would only apply once a month to the members of my spinning
group (if that ever resumes again) or if I go out to dinner (which is
also rare enough these days).
Post by Dechucka
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it. You
are spreading wrong info.
Dechucka
2020-04-21 06:40:39 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the weather
or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the app, we
will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being collected
by blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people within 15m of you
who have the app. It is only if you come down with Covid-19 that the
information is uploaded to relevant State Health dept.
It's 1.5 metres and contact with them for 15 minutes and it doesn't
record location - just the contact.
Exactly right
Post by Fran
I dunno about you but my chances of meeting that sort of time and
distance would only apply once a month to the members of my spinning
group (if that ever resumes again) or if I go out to dinner (which is
also rare enough these days).
If your spinning group is meeting again and/or you're out to dinner the
crisis will be over.
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it.  You
are spreading wrong info.
Apart from missing a decimal point 1.5m not 15m my information is
corrects. The info is stored on your phone till needed and you have to
give consent to have it downloaded
Fran
2020-04-21 07:32:18 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the weather
or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the app, we
will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being collected
by blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people within 15m of you
who have the app. It is only if you come down with Covid-19 that the
information is uploaded to relevant State Health dept.
It's 1.5 metres and contact with them for 15 minutes and it doesn't
record location - just the contact.
Exactly right
Post by Fran
I dunno about you but my chances of meeting that sort of time and
distance would only apply once a month to the members of my spinning
group (if that ever resumes again) or if I go out to dinner (which is
also rare enough these days).
If your spinning group is meeting again and/or you're out to dinner the
crisis will be over.
Not necessarily. If the takeup of this app is sufficient, then we will
be able to do those things. That's the point of the app.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it.  You
are spreading wrong info.
Apart from missing a decimal point 1.5m not 15m my information is
corrects.
You missed out the 15 minutes contact as as far as I can see, that is
one very vital part of the app. From what I can make out, neither you
nor I will it that sort of contact time very often due to how we live.

The info is stored on your phone till needed and you have to
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give consent to have it downloaded
That too. I can't see a problem.
Dechucka
2020-04-21 08:15:02 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the
weather or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the
app, we will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being
collected by blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people within
15m of you who have the app. It is only if you come down with
Covid-19 that the information is uploaded to relevant State Health
dept.
It's 1.5 metres and contact with them for 15 minutes and it doesn't
record location - just the contact.
Exactly right
Post by Fran
I dunno about you but my chances of meeting that sort of time and
distance would only apply once a month to the members of my spinning
group (if that ever resumes again) or if I go out to dinner (which is
also rare enough these days).
If your spinning group is meeting again and/or you're out to dinner
the crisis will be over.
Not necessarily.  If the takeup of this app is sufficient, then we will
be able to do those things.  That's the point of the app.
OK if you think so
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it.
You are spreading wrong info.
Apart from missing a decimal point 1.5m not 15m my information is
corrects.
You missed out the 15 minutes contact as as far as I can see, that is
one very vital part of the app.  From what I can make out, neither you
nor I will it that sort of contact time very often due to how we live.
The info is stored on your phone till needed and you have to
Post by Dechucka
give consent to have it downloaded
That too.  I can't see a problem.
Given my experience with the NSW Special Branch and my family history,
thanks but no thanks
Fran
2020-04-21 23:48:14 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the
weather or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the
app, we will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being
collected by blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people within
15m of you who have the app. It is only if you come down with
Covid-19 that the information is uploaded to relevant State Health
dept.
It's 1.5 metres and contact with them for 15 minutes and it doesn't
record location - just the contact.
Exactly right
Post by Fran
I dunno about you but my chances of meeting that sort of time and
distance would only apply once a month to the members of my spinning
group (if that ever resumes again) or if I go out to dinner (which
is also rare enough these days).
If your spinning group is meeting again and/or you're out to dinner
the crisis will be over.
Not necessarily.  If the takeup of this app is sufficient, then we
will be able to do those things.  That's the point of the app.
OK if you think so
??? OK, so tell me what your conspiracy theory is about the app.

The point of the app is that if any new cluster appears (once it's
introduced and enough people take it up), it's then possibile to ony
shut down that area to confine it. That confined area than has to do
what we are doing now all over the country. The rest of the country
that does not have a cluster can get on with more close to 'normal'
business as usual.

It just makes sense to me that the app will get the economy and the
majority of the country back to business.
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Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it.
You are spreading wrong info.
Apart from missing a decimal point 1.5m not 15m my information is
corrects.
You missed out the 15 minutes contact as as far as I can see, that is
one very vital part of the app.  From what I can make out, neither you
nor I will it that sort of contact time very often due to how we live.
The info is stored on your phone till needed and you have to
Post by Dechucka
give consent to have it downloaded
That too.  I can't see a problem.
Given my experience with the NSW Special Branch and my family history,
thanks but no thanks
I can imagine your history as I know what your name is and you've hinted
at a few things in the past but I still think this app will be our best
shot at getting back to normal.

If you are really worried that the app will somehow have had its
'uninstall' function disabled, you can (later as the emergency eases)
always adopt our normal way of using our phones - we never (currently)
have our phones turned on the data. We both just use the phone
function. We're prepared to change our phone use for what we think will
be the good of the country and normally, we are as paranoid as all hell.
I never even put anything with our names/address/personal details into
our garbage bins - I burn all such stuff. AND, financially, unless the
banks fail, this pandemic won't have any impact on us. We figure, as
good citizens, this is not something we can sit back and ignore that we
must do our bit even if it goes against our normal inbuilt habits.
Dechucka
2020-04-22 00:27:32 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the
weather or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download
the app, we will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being
collected by blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people
within 15m of you who have the app. It is only if you come down
with Covid-19 that the information is uploaded to relevant State
Health dept.
It's 1.5 metres and contact with them for 15 minutes and it doesn't
record location - just the contact.
Exactly right
Post by Fran
I dunno about you but my chances of meeting that sort of time and
distance would only apply once a month to the members of my
spinning group (if that ever resumes again) or if I go out to
dinner (which is also rare enough these days).
If your spinning group is meeting again and/or you're out to dinner
the crisis will be over.
Not necessarily.  If the takeup of this app is sufficient, then we
will be able to do those things.  That's the point of the app.
OK if you think so
???  OK, so tell me what your conspiracy theory is about the app.
The point of the app is that if any new cluster appears (once it's
introduced and enough people take it up), it's then possibile to ony
shut down that area to confine it.  That confined area than has to do
what we are doing now all over the country.  The rest of the country
that does not have a cluster can get on with more close to 'normal'
business as usual.
It just makes sense to me that the app will get the economy and the
majority of the country back to business.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason
I won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it.
You are spreading wrong info.
Apart from missing a decimal point 1.5m not 15m my information is
corrects.
You missed out the 15 minutes contact as as far as I can see, that is
one very vital part of the app.  From what I can make out, neither
you nor I will it that sort of contact time very often due to how we
live.
The info is stored on your phone till needed and you have to
Post by Dechucka
give consent to have it downloaded
That too.  I can't see a problem.
Given my experience with the NSW Special Branch and my family history,
thanks but no thanks
I can imagine your history as I know what your name
See one has to be careful with the internet, all types of undesirables
( :-) )get ones information if one is slack or like me stupid :-)
is and you've hinted
at a few things in the past but I still think this app will be our best
shot at getting back to normal.
Even though my fathers family were Lutheran my Great Grandmother had a
Jewish background which was enough for Dads family to be persecuted,
didn't help that Grandpa was what one could call a liberal intellectual
and spent time with Jewish relatives. Dad ended up on the
Kindertransport to the UK sponsored by the Quakers, he wasn't Jewish
enough for the Jews to help him. His parents ended up hiding in the
Eisal Mtns for the rest of the War. Quite a few of his relatives weren't
so lucky so I've seen the Stolpersteine

My Grandfather was the one who tossed his Iron Cross off the Cologne
railway bridge in anger at the rise of Hitler. After the war he became a
Jew to stick it to the Nazis because there weren't enough Jews left in
Cologne to form a Synagogue, need 12?for a quorum. Not a very good Jew,
loved eel and pork, but enough to make up the numbers.

The Special Branch stuff resulted from my Uni days and the fact that my
mates and I used to go to political meetings for the free piss. I ended
up with a dossier that caused me problems when it came to vetting later.

That's it, no hints that is the bare facts.
If you are really worried that the app will somehow have had its
'uninstall' function disabled, you can (later as the emergency eases)
always adopt our normal way of using our phones - we never (currently)
have our phones turned on the data.  We both just use the phone
function.  We're prepared to change our phone use for what we think will
be the good of the country and normally, we are as paranoid as all hell.
 I never even put anything with our names/address/personal details into
our garbage bins - I burn all such stuff.  AND, financially, unless the
banks fail, this pandemic won't have any impact on us.  We figure, as
good citizens, this is not something we can sit back and ignore that we
must do our bit even if it goes against our normal inbuilt habits.
Good on you for doing this. I'm just a bit sick of politicians telling
me what to do.
OK after the last 6 months I'm turning into a grumpy old man and getting
less and less trustworthy of people's motivations
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 01:46:54 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Even though my fathers family were Lutheran my Great Grandmother had a
Jewish background which was enough for Dads family to be persecuted,
didn't help that Grandpa was what one could call a liberal intellectual
and spent time with Jewish relatives. Dad ended up on the
Kindertransport to the UK sponsored by the Quakers, he wasn't Jewish
enough for the Jews to help him.
My, my. Antisemitic Jews. How ironic.
Post by Dechucka
His parents ended up hiding in the
Eisal Mtns for the rest of the War. Quite a few of his relatives weren't
so lucky so I've seen the Stolpersteine
My Grandfather was the one who tossed his Iron Cross off the Cologne
railway bridge in anger at the rise of Hitler. After the war he became a
Jew to stick it to the Nazis because there weren't enough Jews left in
Cologne to form a Synagogue, need 12 for a quorum. Not a very good Jew,
loved eel and pork, but enough to make up the numbers.
The Special Branch stuff resulted from my Uni days and the fact that my
mates and I used to go to political meetings for the free piss. I ended
up with a dossier that caused me problems when it came to vetting later.
That's it, no hints that is the bare facts.
Fran
2020-04-22 07:18:14 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the
weather or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download
the app, we will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being
collected by blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people
within 15m of you who have the app. It is only if you come down
with Covid-19 that the information is uploaded to relevant State
Health dept.
It's 1.5 metres and contact with them for 15 minutes and it
doesn't record location - just the contact.
Exactly right
Post by Fran
I dunno about you but my chances of meeting that sort of time and
distance would only apply once a month to the members of my
spinning group (if that ever resumes again) or if I go out to
dinner (which is also rare enough these days).
If your spinning group is meeting again and/or you're out to dinner
the crisis will be over.
Not necessarily.  If the takeup of this app is sufficient, then we
will be able to do those things.  That's the point of the app.
OK if you think so
???  OK, so tell me what your conspiracy theory is about the app.
The point of the app is that if any new cluster appears (once it's
introduced and enough people take it up), it's then possibile to ony
shut down that area to confine it.  That confined area than has to do
what we are doing now all over the country.  The rest of the country
that does not have a cluster can get on with more close to 'normal'
business as usual.
It just makes sense to me that the app will get the economy and the
majority of the country back to business.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason
I won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it.
You are spreading wrong info.
Apart from missing a decimal point 1.5m not 15m my information is
corrects.
You missed out the 15 minutes contact as as far as I can see, that
is one very vital part of the app.  From what I can make out,
neither you nor I will it that sort of contact time very often due
to how we live.
The info is stored on your phone till needed and you have to
Post by Dechucka
give consent to have it downloaded
That too.  I can't see a problem.
Given my experience with the NSW Special Branch and my family
history, thanks but no thanks
I can imagine your history as I know what your name
See one has to be careful with the internet, all types of undesirables
(  :-)  )get ones information if one is slack or like me stupid :-)
Not at all stupid - you just had a single reader who a) still has a
reasonable memory for who writes what about their history, and b) has a
good knowledge of the area where you live (and claim to live. ;-) I
don't think anyone else noticed your post that gave me the clue I needed
to track you down.
Post by Dechucka
is and you've hinted at a few things in the past but I still think
this app will be our best shot at getting back to normal.
Even though my fathers family were Lutheran my Great Grandmother had a
Jewish background which was enough for Dads family to be persecuted,
didn't help that Grandpa was what one could call a liberal intellectual
and spent time with Jewish relatives.
Yep.

Dad ended up on the
Post by Dechucka
Kindertransport to the UK sponsored by the Quakers, he wasn't Jewish
enough for the Jews to help him. His parents ended up hiding in the
Eisal Mtns for the rest of the War. Quite a few of his relatives weren't
so lucky so I've seen the Stolpersteine
My Grandfather was the one who tossed his Iron Cross off the Cologne
railway bridge in anger at the rise of Hitler. After the war he became a
Jew to stick it to the Nazis because there weren't enough Jews left in
Cologne to form a Synagogue, need 12?for a quorum. Not a very good Jew,
loved eel and pork, but enough to make up the numbers.
LOL. I know a couple of Jews who love bacon. But I also know a couple
of 'vegetarians' who also love bacon. Let's face it, (almost) everyone
loves bacon.
Post by Dechucka
The Special Branch stuff resulted from my Uni days and the fact that my
mates and I used to go to political meetings for the free piss. I ended
up with a dossier that caused me problems when it came to vetting later.
That's it, no hints that is the bare facts.
Lots of people had Special Branch files but I was never one of them as
far as I know. I used to love putting on my applications for security
clearances that I was a member of such subversive groups as the Lace
Knitters Group, the Machine Knitters Guild, various Spinners groups and
the CWA. Cop that lot spooks!
Post by Dechucka
If you are really worried that the app will somehow have had its
'uninstall' function disabled, you can (later as the emergency eases)
always adopt our normal way of using our phones - we never (currently)
have our phones turned on the data.  We both just use the phone
function.  We're prepared to change our phone use for what we think
will be the good of the country and normally, we are as paranoid as
all hell.   I never even put anything with our names/address/personal
details into our garbage bins - I burn all such stuff.  AND,
financially, unless the banks fail, this pandemic won't have any
impact on us.  We figure, as good citizens, this is not something we
can sit back and ignore that we must do our bit even if it goes
against our normal inbuilt habits.
Good on you for doing this. I'm just a bit sick of politicians telling
me what to do.
Well we normally would be in that sort of group too (we both worked for
govt with probably a combined service time of at least 80 years so we
have no scales on our eyes about the fuckers), but this is, in our
opinions, a unique time in our human history and we think we need to
step up, do our bit and STFU.
Post by Dechucka
OK after the last 6 months I'm turning into a grumpy old man and getting
less and less trustworthy of people's motivations
Grumpy is good IMO and absolutley vital given the morons we see here on
a daily basis but we do 'live in interesting times' right now. I'm
trying not to be grumpy about having to turn on my data and pay more for
that when my natural mode is to fly under all radars.
Dechucka
2020-04-22 07:32:43 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
My Grandfather was the one who tossed his Iron Cross off the Cologne
railway bridge in anger at the rise of Hitler. After the war he became
a Jew to stick it to the Nazis because there weren't enough Jews left
in Cologne to form a Synagogue, need 12?for a quorum. Not a very good
Jew, loved eel and pork, but enough to make up the numbers.
LOL.  I know a couple of Jews who love bacon.  But I also know a couple
of 'vegetarians' who also love bacon.  Let's face it, (almost) everyone
loves bacon.
Must say I liked his attitude of sticking it to the Nazis
Post by Dechucka
The Special Branch stuff resulted from my Uni days and the fact that
my mates and I used to go to political meetings for the free piss. I
ended up with a dossier that caused me problems when it came to
vetting later.
That's it, no hints that is the bare facts.
Lots of people had Special Branch files but I was never one of them as
far as I know.  I used to love putting on my applications for security
clearances that I was a member of such subversive groups as the Lace
Knitters Group, the Machine Knitters Guild, various Spinners groups and
the CWA.  Cop that lot spooks!
I know I'm not Robinson Crusoe when it came to the Special Branch. While
it did cause me hassles as it was often raised during vetting it was
easily laughed off as being contradictory BS. What still shits me off is
that the Police could spy on people for no reason and put together
dossiers like this.
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
If you are really worried that the app will somehow have had its
'uninstall' function disabled, you can (later as the emergency eases)
always adopt our normal way of using our phones - we never
(currently) have our phones turned on the data.  We both just use the
phone function.  We're prepared to change our phone use for what we
think will be the good of the country and normally, we are as
paranoid as all hell.   I never even put anything with our
names/address/personal details into our garbage bins - I burn all
such stuff.  AND, financially, unless the banks fail, this pandemic
won't have any impact on us.  We figure, as good citizens, this is
not something we can sit back and ignore that we must do our bit even
if it goes against our normal inbuilt habits.
Good on you for doing this. I'm just a bit sick of politicians telling
me what to do.
Well we normally would be in that sort of group too (we both worked for
govt with probably a combined service time of at least 80 years so we
have no scales on our eyes about the fuckers), but this is, in our
opinions, a unique time in our human history and we think we need to
step up, do our bit and STFU.
Good on you
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OK after the last 6 months I'm turning into a grumpy old man and
getting less and less trustworthy of people's motivations
Grumpy is good IMO and absolutley vital given the morons we see here on
a daily basis but we do 'live in interesting times' right now.  I'm
trying not to be grumpy about having to turn on my data and pay more for
that when my natural mode is to fly under all radars.
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2020-04-22 07:53:23 UTC
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My Grandfather was the one who tossed his Iron Cross off the Cologne
railway bridge in anger at the rise of Hitler. After the war he
became a Jew to stick it to the Nazis because there weren't enough
Jews left in Cologne to form a Synagogue, need 12?for a quorum. Not a
very good Jew, loved eel and pork, but enough to make up the numbers.
LOL.  I know a couple of Jews who love bacon.  But I also know a
couple of 'vegetarians' who also love bacon.  Let's face it, (almost)
everyone loves bacon.
Must say I liked his attitude of sticking it to the Nazis
Yes admirable in what was probably still a fairly dangerous situation.
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The Special Branch stuff resulted from my Uni days and the fact that
my mates and I used to go to political meetings for the free piss. I
ended up with a dossier that caused me problems when it came to
vetting later.
That's it, no hints that is the bare facts.
Lots of people had Special Branch files but I was never one of them as
far as I know.  I used to love putting on my applications for security
clearances that I was a member of such subversive groups as the Lace
Knitters Group, the Machine Knitters Guild, various Spinners groups
and the CWA.  Cop that lot spooks!
I know I'm not Robinson Crusoe when it came to the Special Branch. While
it did cause me hassles as it was often raised during vetting it was
easily laughed off as being contradictory BS. What still shits me off is
that the Police could spy on people for no reason and put together
dossiers like this.
Yep. The Special Branch history is simply appalling but most vetters
would probably understand the 'free piss' defence for any Uni Student.
Uni students are usually broke and any free piss is a bonus.

Have you read up on Peter Cundall's interactions with the spooks?
Cundall has been a lifelong communist and he is just a hoot to read on
how he dealt with the spooks. He used to go out to their spying van and
offer then a cup of tea and a bickie or suggest they came inside where
it was warm if they wanted to spy on him.
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2020-04-22 08:53:02 UTC
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My Grandfather was the one who tossed his Iron Cross off the Cologne
railway bridge in anger at the rise of Hitler. After the war he
became a Jew to stick it to the Nazis because there weren't enough
Jews left in Cologne to form a Synagogue, need 12?for a quorum. Not
a very good Jew, loved eel and pork, but enough to make up the numbers.
LOL.  I know a couple of Jews who love bacon.  But I also know a
couple of 'vegetarians' who also love bacon.  Let's face it, (almost)
everyone loves bacon.
Must say I liked his attitude of sticking it to the Nazis
Yes admirable in what was probably still a fairly dangerous situation.
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The Special Branch stuff resulted from my Uni days and the fact that
my mates and I used to go to political meetings for the free piss. I
ended up with a dossier that caused me problems when it came to
vetting later.
That's it, no hints that is the bare facts.
Lots of people had Special Branch files but I was never one of them
as far as I know.  I used to love putting on my applications for
security clearances that I was a member of such subversive groups as
the Lace Knitters Group, the Machine Knitters Guild, various Spinners
groups and the CWA.  Cop that lot spooks!
I know I'm not Robinson Crusoe when it came to the Special Branch.
While it did cause me hassles as it was often raised during vetting it
was easily laughed off as being contradictory BS. What still shits me
off is that the Police could spy on people for no reason and put
together dossiers like this.
Yep.  The Special Branch history is simply appalling but most vetters
would probably understand the 'free piss' defence for any Uni Student.
Uni students are usually broke and any free piss is a bonus.
Have you read up on Peter Cundall's interactions with the spooks?
No, is there a biography or something. Costa isn't as good imho
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Cundall has been a lifelong communist and he is just a hoot to read on
how he dealt with the spooks.  He used to go out to their spying van and
offer then a cup of tea and a bickie or suggest they came inside where
it was warm if they wanted to spy on him.
good on him
Fran
2020-04-22 22:48:57 UTC
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Have you read up on Peter Cundall's interactions with the spooks?
No, is there a biography or something. Costa isn't as good imho
I can't remember now where I came across his speaking of the spooks - it
was years ago now but I've never forgotten the tale. It was hugely
funny. I could just imagine the spooks being flustered when a Cundall
appeared with a cup of tea and a bickie at their evesdropping van. I've
had a laugh about that with a couple of ex-spooks I know.

And yes, Costa is no quite as good IMO.
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Post by Fran
Cundall has been a lifelong communist and he is just a hoot to read on
how he dealt with the spooks.  He used to go out to their spying van
and offer then a cup of tea and a bickie or suggest they came inside
where it was warm if they wanted to spy on him.
good on him
Dechucka
2020-04-22 23:26:23 UTC
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Have you read up on Peter Cundall's interactions with the spooks?
No, is there a biography or something. Costa isn't as good imho
I can't remember now where I came across his speaking of the spooks - it
was years ago now but I've never forgotten the tale.  It was hugely
funny.  I could just imagine the spooks being flustered when a Cundall
appeared with a cup of tea and a bickie at their evesdropping van.  I've
had a laugh about that with a couple of ex-spooks I know.
I now vaguely remember one of those extended interviews with him about
being a communist, how he got sucked into war service, getting arrested
somewhere and how he got his love of gardening, Japan?. Would have been
an ABC one will do a bit of research
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2020-04-22 08:46:16 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the
weather or use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download
the app, we will both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being
collected by blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people
within 15m of you who have the app. It is only if you come down
with Covid-19 that the information is uploaded to relevant State
Health dept.
It's 1.5 metres and contact with them for 15 minutes and it
doesn't record location - just the contact.
Exactly right
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I dunno about you but my chances of meeting that sort of time and
distance would only apply once a month to the members of my
spinning group (if that ever resumes again) or if I go out to
dinner (which is also rare enough these days).
If your spinning group is meeting again and/or you're out to dinner
the crisis will be over.
Not necessarily.  If the takeup of this app is sufficient, then we
will be able to do those things.  That's the point of the app.
OK if you think so
???  OK, so tell me what your conspiracy theory is about the app.
The point of the app is that if any new cluster appears (once it's
introduced and enough people take it up), it's then possibile to ony
shut down that area to confine it.  That confined area than has to do
what we are doing now all over the country.  The rest of the country
that does not have a cluster can get on with more close to 'normal'
business as usual.
It just makes sense to me that the app will get the economy and the
majority of the country back to business.
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Post by Dechucka
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Post by Dechucka
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason
I won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it.
You are spreading wrong info.
Apart from missing a decimal point 1.5m not 15m my information is
corrects.
You missed out the 15 minutes contact as as far as I can see, that
is one very vital part of the app.  From what I can make out,
neither you nor I will it that sort of contact time very often due
to how we live.
The info is stored on your phone till needed and you have to
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give consent to have it downloaded
That too.  I can't see a problem.
Given my experience with the NSW Special Branch and my family
history, thanks but no thanks
I can imagine your history as I know what your name
See one has to be careful with the internet, all types of undesirables
(  :-)  )get ones information if one is slack or like me stupid :-)
Not at all stupid - you just had a single reader who a) still has a
reasonable memory for who writes what about their history, and b) has a
good knowledge of the area where you live (and claim to live. ;-) I
don't think anyone else noticed your post that gave me the clue I needed
to track you down.
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is and you've hinted at a few things in the past but I still think
this app will be our best shot at getting back to normal.
Even though my fathers family were Lutheran my Great Grandmother had a
Jewish background which was enough for Dads family to be persecuted,
didn't help that Grandpa was what one could call a liberal intellectual
and spent time with Jewish relatives.
Yep.
Dad ended up on the
Post by Dechucka
Kindertransport to the UK sponsored by the Quakers, he wasn't Jewish
enough for the Jews to help him. His parents ended up hiding in the
Eisal Mtns for the rest of the War. Quite a few of his relatives weren't
so lucky so I've seen the Stolpersteine
My Grandfather was the one who tossed his Iron Cross off the Cologne
railway bridge in anger at the rise of Hitler. After the war he became a
Jew to stick it to the Nazis because there weren't enough Jews left in
Cologne to form a Synagogue, need 12?for a quorum. Not a very good Jew,
loved eel and pork, but enough to make up the numbers.
LOL. I know a couple of Jews who love bacon. But I also know a couple
of 'vegetarians' who also love bacon. Let's face it, (almost) everyone
loves bacon.
Post by Dechucka
The Special Branch stuff resulted from my Uni days and the fact that my
mates and I used to go to political meetings for the free piss. I ended
up with a dossier that caused me problems when it came to vetting later.
That's it, no hints that is the bare facts.
Lots of people had Special Branch files but I was never one of them as
far as I know. I used to love putting on my applications for security
clearances that I was a member of such subversive groups as the Lace
Knitters Group, the Machine Knitters Guild, various Spinners groups and
the CWA. Cop that lot spooks!
Post by Dechucka
If you are really worried that the app will somehow have had its
'uninstall' function disabled, you can (later as the emergency eases)
always adopt our normal way of using our phones - we never (currently)
have our phones turned on the data.  We both just use the phone
function.  We're prepared to change our phone use for what we think
will be the good of the country and normally, we are as paranoid as
all hell.   I never even put anything with our names/address/personal
details into our garbage bins - I burn all such stuff.  AND,
financially, unless the banks fail, this pandemic won't have any
impact on us.  We figure, as good citizens, this is not something we
can sit back and ignore that we must do our bit even if it goes
against our normal inbuilt habits.
Good on you for doing this. I'm just a bit sick of politicians telling
me what to do.
Well we normally would be in that sort of group too (we both worked for
govt with probably a combined service time of at least 80 years so we
have no scales on our eyes about the fuckers), but this is, in our
opinions, a unique time in our human history and we think we need to
step up, do our bit and STFU.
Post by Dechucka
OK after the last 6 months I'm turning into a grumpy old man and getting
less and less trustworthy of people's motivations
Grumpy is good IMO and absolutley vital given the morons we see here on
a daily basis but we do 'live in interesting times' right now. I'm
trying not to be grumpy about having to turn on my data and pay more for
that when my natural mode is to fly under all radars.
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More fool you then.. <shrug>
news18
2020-04-22 01:38:45 UTC
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The point of the app is that if any new cluster appears (once it's
introduced and enough people take it up), it's then possibile to ony
shut down that area to confine it. That confined area than has to do
what we are doing now all over the country. The rest of the country
that does not have a cluster can get on with more close to 'normal'
business as usual.
It just makes sense to me that the app will get the economy and the
majority of the country back to business.
Do security camera stop crime?
No,they just improve the chances of revenge/justice.

In the LGA, one person came back from Os in march and now they have a
local transmitted in the wild. enough cases so that we have a special
covid-19 testing station, which is typically in an inaccesibnle spot. not
drive through and no parking within 500 metres. Go figure.
Fran
2020-04-22 07:25:28 UTC
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The point of the app is that if any new cluster appears (once it's
introduced and enough people take it up), it's then possibile to ony
shut down that area to confine it. That confined area than has to do
what we are doing now all over the country. The rest of the country
that does not have a cluster can get on with more close to 'normal'
business as usual.
It just makes sense to me that the app will get the economy and the
majority of the country back to business.
Do security camera stop crime?
No,they just improve the chances of revenge/justice.
Stopping covid-19 that is not what the app is for so that analogy is not
relevant.
Post by news18
In the LGA, one person came back from Os in march and now they have a
local transmitted in the wild.
That is exactly the situation the app is designed for. Find a single
case or a cluster fast and go in hard and fast.

enough cases so that we have a special
Post by news18
covid-19 testing station, which is typically in an inaccesibnle spot. not
drive through and no parking within 500 metres. Go figure.
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 10:59:05 UTC
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It just makes sense to me that the app will get the economy
and majority of the country back to business.
Do security camera stop crime?
No,they just improve the chances of revenge/justice.
Stopping covid-19 that is not what the app is for so that analogy
is not relevant.
LOL

Wrong again, Piggy. It's very relevant. It's just that it makes
the *opposite* of the point news18 wants to make.

Security cameras also improve the chance of detecting contacts.

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news18
2020-04-22 01:12:23 UTC
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Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it. You
are spreading wrong info.
When some twat pops up gfiving reassurance, credibility is the first
check and usally the score is none. I've delat with"IT security experts"
all my working life and very few are anything but PR twonks wrongly
labelled.
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 02:08:40 UTC
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Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason
I won't have it
You need a reason other than privacy issues?
Post by Fran
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it.
You are spreading wrong info.
You wouldn't know "wrong info" if it bit you in the arse.
When some twat pops up giving reassurance, credibility is the first
check and usally the score is none. I've dealt with "IT security
experts" all my working life and very few are anything but PR twonks
wrongly labelled.
Mmm. You're not wrong. There are lots of frauds in that area. Nearly
as bad as gummint.
Fran
2020-04-22 07:33:03 UTC
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Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
Perhaps you should do your homework and do some reading up on it. You
are spreading wrong info.
When some twat pops up gfiving reassurance, credibility is the first
check and usally the score is none. I've delat with"IT security experts"
all my working life and very few are anything but PR twonks wrongly
labelled.
I live with someone whose career in IT started when Australia was still
importing 'ADP' experts from the UK. He dealt with, wrote specs for
(and developed), contracted, and crucified more security 'twonks' on
more major govt systems than you will have had hot dinners.

We've both done our research on this and for the bits I don't
understand, I refer to him. We're both naturally jaundiced but this is
not a situation where jaundice or conspiracy has overruled our intention
to download the app.
jonz
2020-04-21 08:28:13 UTC
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Yep, that is me too.  But I never feel the urge to check the weather or
use google or cricket scores etc.  When we download the app, we will
both have to trun our dats on when we go out.
As I understand it the info stays on your phone after being collected by
blue-tooth handshakes (elbow bumps) with people within 15m of you who
have the app. It is only if you come down with Covid-19 that the
information is uploaded to relevant State Health dept.
Just heard a spokesman for whoever the Gov has got to test it for
privacy concerns says she'll have it on her phone. Another reason I
won't have it
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Another good reason is that govco is still trying to allow ASIO to spy on aussies (via SIGINT)..Trust 'em? fuckin' hardly!.
Xeno
2020-04-20 11:22:54 UTC
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I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing
what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
That was precisely my thought and this government seems way more
secretive than most.
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governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant cluster
fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it was like
National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying "you'll be
able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Comparing it to National Service? More like National Surveilence Chinese
style.
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Petzl
2020-04-20 11:45:32 UTC
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I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing
what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
That was precisely my thought and this government seems way more
secretive than most.
Post by Dechucka
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant cluster
fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it was like
National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying "you'll be
able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Comparing it to National Service? More like National Surveilence Chinese
style.
Latest brain fart from ScoMo
In mailbox
https://ibb.co/jT6gpPZ
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Australian Politician
when you’re driving along a country road
and you come across a fence post with a turtle
balanced on top,
that’s called a fencepost turtle

You know he didn’t get up there by himself,
he definitely doesn’t belong up there,
he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there,
and you just gotta wonder what kind of dill
put him up there in the first place!
Fran
2020-04-21 03:54:04 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing
what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant cluster
fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it was like
National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying "you'll be
able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that everyone
wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they feel like it.

Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information singing
up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit. We wont' do any of
those things but we've decided we will do the App as we can delete it at
any time. And Facebook! WTF are people thinking with all the crap they
post on FB? Photos of their children and partners and of them out at
meals etc etc.
Xeno
2020-04-21 05:10:19 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months
of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant
cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it
was like National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying
"you'll be able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy
loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that everyone
wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they feel like it.
Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information singing
up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit.  We wont' do any of
those things but we've decided we will do the App as we can delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky - like
that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone because it was
beginning to bug me in a bad way.
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any time.  And Facebook!  WTF are people thinking with all the crap they
post on FB?  Photos of their children and partners and of them out at
meals etc etc.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Ned Latham
2020-04-21 05:23:21 UTC
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Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information singing
up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit. We wont' do any of
those things but we've decided we will do the App as we can delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky - like
that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone because it was
beginning to bug me in a bad way.
You can bet it'll be sticky. You'll have to root your 'phone to delete it.
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Post by Fran
any time. And Facebook! WTF are people thinking with all the crap they
post on FB? Photos of their children and partners and of them out at
meals etc etc.
They're morons, like you. Sociable, unlike you.
Fran
2020-04-21 06:25:55 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months
of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant
cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that
it was like National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister
saying "you'll be able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all
footy loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that everyone
wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they feel like it.
Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information
singing up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit.  We wont'
do any of those things but we've decided we will do the App as we can
delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky - like
that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone because it was
beginning to bug me in a bad way.
Is there now a conspiracy theory that they government is going to
somehow going to disable the 'unistall' option on mobile phones?
Xeno
2020-04-21 09:02:24 UTC
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I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12
months of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not
to try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do
with governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant
cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that
it was like National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister
saying "you'll be able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all
footy loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that
everyone wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they feel
like it.
Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information
singing up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit.  We wont'
do any of those things but we've decided we will do the App as we can
delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky -
like that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone because it
was beginning to bug me in a bad way.
Is there now a conspiracy theory that they government is going to
somehow going to disable the 'unistall' option on mobile phones?
I didn't say that at all. I said it might be *sticky*. I uninstalled
Facebook in the usual way. The problem was that it simply didn't seem to
uninstall *all of it*. Whether it is a simple uninstall depends on what
was done during the install, and how. Possibly added hooks into the OS,
not sure, but a standard install didn't get rid of it.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Fran
2020-04-21 23:53:53 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12
months of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not
to try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do
with governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a
giant cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's
comment that it was like National Service and to a lessor extant
every Minister saying "you'll be able to go to the footy quicker"
hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that
everyone wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they
feel like it.
Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information
singing up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit.  We wont'
do any of those things but we've decided we will do the App as we
can delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky -
like that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone because it
was beginning to bug me in a bad way.
Is there now a conspiracy theory that they government is going to
somehow going to disable the 'unistall' option on mobile phones?
I didn't say that at all. I said it might be *sticky*. I uninstalled
Facebook in the usual way. The problem was that it simply didn't seem to
uninstall *all of it*.
Facebook is notorious for that as you'd probably know form a google
search. Best to use a fake name and identity when going near Facebook:-))

Whether it is a simple uninstall depends on what
Post by Xeno
was done during the install, and how. Possibly added hooks into the OS,
not sure, but a standard install didn't get rid of it.
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the reputation
for not being easy to opt out of (rather than 'uninstall') once you've
signed up. I really want to know if you or anyone has had problems with
removing phone apps.
news18
2020-04-22 01:33:44 UTC
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I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the reputation
for not being easy to opt out of (rather than 'uninstall') once you've
signed up. I really want to know if you or anyone has had problems with
removing phone apps.
You do with google android. Remove the apps you don't want and the phone
is broken. Google is worse than microsoft ever was with intertnet
explorer.
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 02:11:58 UTC
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Post by Fran
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the reputation
for not being easy to opt out of (rather than 'uninstall') once you've
signed up. I really want to know if you or anyone has had problems with
removing phone apps.
You do with google android. Remove the apps you don't want and the phone
is broken. Google is worse than microsoft ever was with intertnet
explorer.
I got rid of all the microsoft stuff on my Galaxy s9 without any
problems.

But then, I haven't been game to try that with the google shit.
Fran
2020-04-22 07:36:34 UTC
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Post by Fran
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the reputation
for not being easy to opt out of (rather than 'uninstall') once you've
signed up. I really want to know if you or anyone has had problems with
removing phone apps.
You do with google android. Remove the apps you don't want and the phone
is broken.
So downloading and installing an app and then later uninstalling that
app destroys an Android phone? How does that work?


Google is worse than microsoft ever was with intertnet
Post by news18
explorer.
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 11:25:43 UTC
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Post by news18
You do with google android. Remove the apps you don't want and
the phone is broken.
Surely that could only be be the result of deleting (part of) the
system?
Post by Fran
So downloading and installing an app and then later uninstalling that
app destroys an Android phone? How does that work?
It doesn't. I've removed everything M$ from mine. No problems.
Xeno
2020-04-22 03:00:07 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back
to doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12
months of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not
to try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to
do with governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a
giant cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's
comment that it was like National Service and to a lessor extant
every Minister saying "you'll be able to go to the footy quicker"
hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that
everyone wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they
feel like it.
Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information
singing up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit.  We
wont' do any of those things but we've decided we will do the App
as we can delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky -
like that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone because it
was beginning to bug me in a bad way.
Is there now a conspiracy theory that they government is going to
somehow going to disable the 'unistall' option on mobile phones?
I didn't say that at all. I said it might be *sticky*. I uninstalled
Facebook in the usual way. The problem was that it simply didn't seem
to uninstall *all of it*.
Facebook is notorious for that as you'd probably know form a google
search.  Best to use a fake name and identity when going near Facebook:-))
I do and have always done so. What I tell people is to never use their
real birthdates. So I get birthday greetings twice a year, one from
Facebook only friends, another from people who actually know me - like
family.
Post by Fran
Whether it is a simple uninstall depends on what
Post by Xeno
was done during the install, and how. Possibly added hooks into the
OS, not sure, but a standard install didn't get rid of it.
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the reputation
for not being easy to opt out of (rather than 'uninstall') once you've
signed up.  I really want to know if you or anyone has had problems with
removing phone apps.
That was what I was talking about - phone apps, Facebook and Messenger.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Fran
2020-04-22 07:39:09 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly
but I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us
back to doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another
6-12 months of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government
not to try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything
to do with governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn
into a giant cluster fuck. What really turned me off it was
SloMo's comment that it was like National Service and to a lessor
extant every Minister saying "you'll be able to go to the footy
quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that
everyone wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they
feel like it.
Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information
singing up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit.  We
wont' do any of those things but we've decided we will do the App
as we can delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky -
like that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone because it
was beginning to bug me in a bad way.
Is there now a conspiracy theory that they government is going to
somehow going to disable the 'unistall' option on mobile phones?
I didn't say that at all. I said it might be *sticky*. I uninstalled
Facebook in the usual way. The problem was that it simply didn't seem
to uninstall *all of it*.
Facebook is notorious for that as you'd probably know form a google
search.  Best to use a fake name and identity when going near Facebook:-))
I do and have always done so. What I tell people is to never use their
real birthdates. So I get birthday greetings twice a year, one from
Facebook only friends, another from people who actually know me - like
family.
:-)) Snap!
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Whether it is a simple uninstall depends on what
Post by Xeno
was done during the install, and how. Possibly added hooks into the
OS, not sure, but a standard install didn't get rid of it.
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the reputation
for not being easy to opt out of (rather than 'uninstall') once you've
signed up.  I really want to know if you or anyone has had problems
with removing phone apps.
That was what I was talking about - phone apps, Facebook and Messenger.
Yebbut does the same apply to apps that are not related, in any way, to
Facebook/Messenger?
Xeno
2020-04-22 08:28:23 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly
but I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us
back to doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than
another 6-12 months of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government
not to try and expand its use for other reasons. As well
anything to do with governments and apps/computer systems seem
to turn into a giant cluster fuck. What really turned me off it
was SloMo's comment that it was like National Service and to a
lessor extant every Minister saying "you'll be able to go to the
footy quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that
everyone wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they
feel like it.
Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information
singing up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit.  We
wont' do any of those things but we've decided we will do the App
as we can delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky -
like that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone because
it was beginning to bug me in a bad way.
Is there now a conspiracy theory that they government is going to
somehow going to disable the 'unistall' option on mobile phones?
I didn't say that at all. I said it might be *sticky*. I uninstalled
Facebook in the usual way. The problem was that it simply didn't
seem to uninstall *all of it*.
Facebook is notorious for that as you'd probably know form a google
search.  Best to use a fake name and identity when going near Facebook:-))
I do and have always done so. What I tell people is to never use their
real birthdates. So I get birthday greetings twice a year, one from
Facebook only friends, another from people who actually know me - like
family.
:-)) Snap!
I just found Facebook a damn nuisance on my phone, always bugging me
with trivial shit people were posting. And all hours of the day too
since a lot of our friends are OS in different time zones.
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Whether it is a simple uninstall depends on what
Post by Xeno
was done during the install, and how. Possibly added hooks into the
OS, not sure, but a standard install didn't get rid of it.
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the reputation
for not being easy to opt out of (rather than 'uninstall') once
you've signed up.  I really want to know if you or anyone has had
problems with removing phone apps.
That was what I was talking about - phone apps, Facebook and Messenger.
Yebbut does the same apply to apps that are not related, in any way, to
Facebook/Messenger?
Yes, I have had a couple. I presume they like to leave hooks into system
files or something. Apple iOS apps are always portable, they dump into a
folder in apps and just run from there. These weren't like that, more
like a Windows application install with system files in a specific
folder, etc. One was some kind of system analysis app so that might
explain that one. It had instructions on how to uninstall it too. The
other one forced me to go to Google to find out how the app was
uninstalled completely. Can't recall the names of those apps, was some
time ago and on a previous phone.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Fran
2020-04-22 22:50:19 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Post by Dechucka
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly
but I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us
back to doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than
another 6-12 months of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government
not to try and expand its use for other reasons. As well
anything to do with governments and apps/computer systems seem
to turn into a giant cluster fuck. What really turned me off it
was SloMo's comment that it was like National Service and to a
lessor extant every Minister saying "you'll be able to go to
the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Of course we aren't all footy loving bogans but I'm sure that
everyone wants to be able to get back to going out whenever they
feel like it.
Everyone already gives away massive amounts of free information
singing up for Flybuys and store cards and all other shit.  We
wont' do any of those things but we've decided we will do the
App as we can delete it at
You *might* be able to delete it. OTOH, it might be a bit sticky
- like that blasted Facebook when I wanted it off my phone
because it was beginning to bug me in a bad way.
Is there now a conspiracy theory that they government is going to
somehow going to disable the 'unistall' option on mobile phones?
I didn't say that at all. I said it might be *sticky*. I
uninstalled Facebook in the usual way. The problem was that it
simply didn't seem to uninstall *all of it*.
Facebook is notorious for that as you'd probably know form a google
search.  Best to use a fake name and identity when going near Facebook:-))
I do and have always done so. What I tell people is to never use
their real birthdates. So I get birthday greetings twice a year, one
from Facebook only friends, another from people who actually know me
- like family.
:-)) Snap!
I just found Facebook a damn nuisance on my phone, always bugging me
with trivial shit people were posting. And all hours of the day too
since a lot of our friends are OS in different time zones.
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
Whether it is a simple uninstall depends on what
Post by Xeno
was done during the install, and how. Possibly added hooks into the
OS, not sure, but a standard install didn't get rid of it.
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the
reputation for not being easy to opt out of (rather than
'uninstall') once you've signed up.  I really want to know if you or
anyone has had problems with removing phone apps.
That was what I was talking about - phone apps, Facebook and Messenger.
Yebbut does the same apply to apps that are not related, in any way,
to Facebook/Messenger?
Yes, I have had a couple. I presume they like to leave hooks into system
files or something. Apple iOS apps are always portable, they dump into a
folder in apps and just run from there. These weren't like that, more
like a Windows application install with system files in a specific
folder, etc. One was some kind of system analysis app so that might
explain that one. It had instructions on how to uninstall it too. The
other one forced me to go to Google to find out how the app was
uninstalled completely. Can't recall the names of those apps, was some
time ago and on a previous phone.
Thanks for that.
Petzl
2020-04-22 23:38:36 UTC
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Post by Xeno
I just found Facebook a damn nuisance on my phone, always bugging me
with trivial shit people were posting. And all hours of the day too
since a lot of our friends are OS in different time zones.
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Xeno
Whether it is a simple uninstall depends on what
Post by Xeno
was done during the install, and how. Possibly added hooks into the
OS, not sure, but a standard install didn't get rid of it.
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the
reputation for not being easy to opt out of (rather than
'uninstall') once you've signed up.  I really want to know if you or
anyone has had problems with removing phone apps.
That was what I was talking about - phone apps, Facebook and Messenger.
Yebbut does the same apply to apps that are not related, in any way,
to Facebook/Messenger?
Yes, I have had a couple. I presume they like to leave hooks into system
files or something. Apple iOS apps are always portable, they dump into a
folder in apps and just run from there. These weren't like that, more
like a Windows application install with system files in a specific
folder, etc. One was some kind of system analysis app so that might
explain that one. It had instructions on how to uninstall it too. The
other one forced me to go to Google to find out how the app was
uninstalled completely. Can't recall the names of those apps, was some
time ago and on a previous phone.
Thanks for that.
Apple won't allow APP to work
Seems the APP can be used in court against you.

The federal government needs to make data collected from the app
exempt from use by the legal system and decentralisethe way it alerts
users.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1252911273597120513
https://is.gd/cjOsJy
Police helicopter catches rooftop drinkers breaking Australia
lockdown rules

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52366129
https://is.gd/91tx2Y
Coronavirus: Apple and France in stand-off over contact-tracing app
--
Petzl
"It is very easy to fool the people
but difficult to convince them that they HAVE been fooled!"
Dechucka
2020-04-23 00:59:13 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
I just found Facebook a damn nuisance on my phone, always bugging me
with trivial shit people were posting. And all hours of the day too
since a lot of our friends are OS in different time zones.
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Xeno
Whether it is a simple uninstall depends on what
Post by Xeno
was done during the install, and how. Possibly added hooks into the
OS, not sure, but a standard install didn't get rid of it.
I'm not really interested in Facebook which I know has the
reputation for not being easy to opt out of (rather than
'uninstall') once you've signed up.  I really want to know if you or
anyone has had problems with removing phone apps.
That was what I was talking about - phone apps, Facebook and Messenger.
Yebbut does the same apply to apps that are not related, in any way,
to Facebook/Messenger?
Yes, I have had a couple. I presume they like to leave hooks into system
files or something. Apple iOS apps are always portable, they dump into a
folder in apps and just run from there. These weren't like that, more
like a Windows application install with system files in a specific
folder, etc. One was some kind of system analysis app so that might
explain that one. It had instructions on how to uninstall it too. The
other one forced me to go to Google to find out how the app was
uninstalled completely. Can't recall the names of those apps, was some
time ago and on a previous phone.
Thanks for that.
Apple won't allow APP to work
Seems the APP can be used in court against you.
Cite please
Post by Petzl
The federal government needs to make data collected from the app
exempt from use by the legal system and decentralisethe way it alerts
users.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1252911273597120513
https://is.gd/cjOsJy
Twitter?
Post by Petzl
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52366129
https://is.gd/91tx2Y
Coronavirus: Apple and France in stand-off over contact-tracing app
We're not in France and I don't believe Aus is using the Apple app
Petzl
2020-04-23 01:42:18 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
Cite please
Post by Petzl
The federal government needs to make data collected from the app
exempt from use by the legal system and decentralisethe way it alerts
users.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1252911273597120513
https://is.gd/cjOsJy
Twitter?
They give the source, I like the comments
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52366129
https://is.gd/91tx2Y
Coronavirus: Apple and France in stand-off over contact-tracing app
We're not in France and I don't believe Aus is using the Apple app
Apple are correct.
This APP will be used in conjunction with this surveillance tech

--
Petzl
"It is very easy to fool the people
but difficult to convince them that they HAVE been fooled!"
Dechucka
2020-04-23 02:04:51 UTC
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Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Cite please
Post by Petzl
The federal government needs to make data collected from the app
exempt from use by the legal system and decentralisethe way it alerts
users.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1252911273597120513
https://is.gd/cjOsJy
Twitter?
They give the source, I like the comments
Post the actual source, I can't find it.
Post by Petzl
Post by Dechucka
Post by Petzl
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52366129
https://is.gd/91tx2Y
Coronavirus: Apple and France in stand-off over contact-tracing app
We're not in France and I don't believe Aus is using the Apple app
Apple are correct.
About what in France?
Post by Petzl
This APP will be used in conjunction with this surveillance tech
http://youtu.be/NXWMU9hXrRo
Sorry don't click on your random videos, just name the survelliance tech.
b***@topmail.co.nz
2020-04-21 08:05:19 UTC
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Post by Dechucka
I won't be downloading it because I don't trust the government not to
try and expand its use for other reasons. As well anything to do with
governments and apps/computer systems seem to turn into a giant cluster
fuck. What really turned me off it was SloMo's comment that it was like
National Service and to a lessor extant every Minister saying "you'll be
able to go to the footy quicker" hey we're not all footy loving bogans.
Faaark, 60,000 sitting next to each other and and screaming for hours is the very last thing that should be enabled when all other lockdowns have finished.
Xeno
2020-04-20 11:19:07 UTC
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Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
Post by Fran
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing what
we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Haven't done any international travel since 2001 and no intention in the
future but still won't be downloading *anything* the Liberal government
sanctions that has the risk potential of this app.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Trevor Wilson
2020-04-20 22:41:33 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
**Do not take the following words as support for the app:

I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing
what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Haven't done any international travel since 2001 and no intention in the
future but still won't be downloading *anything* the Liberal government
sanctions that has the risk potential of this app.
**If Dutton suggests that we download the app, I will avoid it at all
costs. I wouldn't trust that Nazi as far as I can throw him.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
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Ördög
2020-04-20 23:43:46 UTC
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Xeno
Post by Xeno
Fran
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Sadly he is not only just any sad moron, he is a politically very nasty
one. Ignoring him can be dangerous.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but I've
changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to doing
what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months of self
isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Haven't done any international travel since 2001 and no intention in
the future but still won't be downloading *anything* the Liberal
government sanctions that has the risk potential of this app.
**If Dutton suggests that we download the app, I will avoid it at all
costs. I wouldn't trust that Nazi as far as I can throw him.
I completely mirror you in that sentiment.
--
Ördög
Welcome to real Hell on Earth! :)
That is when Lieberals and Countrymorons running the show.
They rain down on you *at your expense* hate, greed, bullying, nepotism
and plutocracy!
Fran
2020-04-21 04:03:27 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Xeno
Post by Xeno
Fran
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Sadly he is not only just any sad moron, he is a politically very nasty
one. Ignoring him can be dangerous.
Yes. He needs to be watched closely. As does Dutton and Abetz and.....
Jeßus
2020-04-21 05:32:54 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Most of the cabinet are morons, ignore them at your peril, because
they're getting their way with virtually everything and will almost
certainly will be reelected next time, as crazy as that may sound.
Post by Trevor Wilson
**If Dutton suggests that we download the app, I will avoid it at all
costs. I wouldn't trust that Nazi as far as I can throw him.
I generally cringe when people use epithets such as 'Nazi, but in
Dutton's case it seems to be appropriate.

How about his wish that people be jailed for refusing to supply
passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/peter-dutton-proposes-prison-for-refusing-to-provide-passwords/
Trevor Wilson
2020-04-21 06:09:49 UTC
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 08:41:33 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Most of the cabinet are morons, ignore them at your peril, because
they're getting their way with virtually everything and will almost
certainly will be reelected next time, as crazy as that may sound.
Post by Trevor Wilson
**If Dutton suggests that we download the app, I will avoid it at all
costs. I wouldn't trust that Nazi as far as I can throw him.
I generally cringe when people use epithets such as 'Nazi, but in
Dutton's case it seems to be appropriate.
How about his wish that people be jailed for refusing to supply
passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/peter-dutton-proposes-prison-for-refusing-to-provide-passwords/
**I don't use the term 'Nazi' very often either. The term fits Dutton
perfectly.
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Ördög
2020-04-21 07:00:09 UTC
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Post by Jeßus
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 08:41:33 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Xeno
Post by Fran
I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Most of the cabinet are morons, ignore them at your peril, because
they're getting their way with virtually everything and will almost
certainly will be reelected next time, as crazy as that may sound.
Post by Trevor Wilson
**If Dutton suggests that we download the app, I will avoid it at all
costs. I wouldn't trust that Nazi as far as I can throw him.
I generally cringe when people use epithets such as 'Nazi, but in
Dutton's case it seems to be appropriate.
How about his wish that people be jailed for refusing to supply
passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/peter-dutton-proposes-
prison-for-refusing-to-provide-passwords/
Post by Trevor Wilson
**I don't use the term 'Nazi' very often either. The term fits Dutton
perfectly.
To be correct he is not a full blown Nazi in the literary sense of the
word, but he is a full blown fascist ready to implement a totalitarian
hard right rule over the country enforced by his favourite dream version
of a police state apparatus.

Despicable!
--
Ördög
Welcome to real Hell on Earth! :)
That is when Lieberals and Countrymorons running the show.
They rain down on you *at your expense* hate, greed, bullying, nepotism
and plutocracy!
Ned Latham
2020-04-21 07:36:17 UTC
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The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") has
another shot at imitating a terrestrial life form...
----snip----
Post by Ördög
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Jeßus
I generally cringe when people use epithets such as 'Nazi, but in
Dutton's case it seems to be appropriate.
How about his wish that people be jailed for refusing to supply
passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/
peter-dutton-proposes-prison-for-refusing-to-provide-passwords/
I don't use the term 'Nazi' very often either. The term fits Dutton
perfectly.
To be correct he is not a full blown Nazi in the literary sense of the
word,
He's not a nazi in *any* ense of the word, moron.
Post by Ördög
but he is a full blown fascist
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left, as is your
insane creed.
Post by Ördög
ready to implement a totalitarian hard right rule
Capitalist, right.
Post by Ördög
over the country enforced by his favourite dream version of a police
state apparatus.
That's it, totalitarianism. Not a political creed at all. Left and right
both use it when they can. Your shit creed as well. It was Lenin, wasn't
it? who said that communism can't work without fear?
Post by Ördög
Despicable!
Your new .sig suits you, Yap-Yap.
Xeno
2020-04-21 08:27:56 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") has
another shot at imitating a terrestrial life form...
----snip----
Post by Ördög
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Jeßus
I generally cringe when people use epithets such as 'Nazi, but in
Dutton's case it seems to be appropriate.
How about his wish that people be jailed for refusing to supply
passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/
peter-dutton-proposes-prison-for-refusing-to-provide-passwords/
I don't use the term 'Nazi' very often either. The term fits Dutton
perfectly.
To be correct he is not a full blown Nazi in the literary sense of the
word,
He's not a nazi in *any* ense of the word, moron.
Post by Ördög
but he is a full blown fascist
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left, as is your
insane creed.
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Ördög
ready to implement a totalitarian hard right rule
Capitalist, right.
Post by Ördög
over the country enforced by his favourite dream version of a police
state apparatus.
That's it, totalitarianism. Not a political creed at all. Left and right
both use it when they can. Your shit creed as well. It was Lenin, wasn't
it? who said that communism can't work without fear?
Post by Ördög
Despicable!
Your new .sig suits you, Yap-Yap.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Ned Latham
2020-04-21 09:41:45 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") has
another shot at imitating a terrestrial life form...
----snip----
Post by Ördög
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Jeßus
I generally cringe when people use epithets such as 'Nazi, but in
Dutton's case it seems to be appropriate.
How about his wish that people be jailed for refusing to supply
passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/
peter-dutton-proposes-prison-for-refusing-to-provide-passwords/
I don't use the term 'Nazi' very often either. The term fits Dutton
perfectly.
To be correct he is not a full blown Nazi in the literary sense of the
word,
He's not a nazi in *any* ense of the word, moron.
Post by Ördög
but he is a full blown fascist
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left, as is your
insane creed.
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Get a clue, Xeno. Even the name gives it away.
Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Ördög
ready to implement a totalitarian hard right rule
Capitalist, right.
Post by Ördög
over the country enforced by his favourite dream version of a police
state apparatus.
That's it, totalitarianism. Not a political creed at all. Left and right
both use it when they can. Your shit creed as well. It was Lenin, wasn't
it? who said that communism can't work without fear?
Did you read that, Xeno? Would you call Lenin far right?

----snip----
Xeno
2020-04-21 10:39:54 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") has
another shot at imitating a terrestrial life form...
----snip----
Post by Ördög
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Jeßus
I generally cringe when people use epithets such as 'Nazi, but in
Dutton's case it seems to be appropriate.
How about his wish that people be jailed for refusing to supply
passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/
peter-dutton-proposes-prison-for-refusing-to-provide-passwords/
I don't use the term 'Nazi' very often either. The term fits Dutton
perfectly.
To be correct he is not a full blown Nazi in the literary sense of the
word,
He's not a nazi in *any* ense of the word, moron.
Post by Ördög
but he is a full blown fascist
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left, as is your
insane creed.
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Get a clue, Xeno. Even the name gives it away.
Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Ördög
ready to implement a totalitarian hard right rule
Capitalist, right.
Post by Ördög
over the country enforced by his favourite dream version of a police
state apparatus.
That's it, totalitarianism. Not a political creed at all. Left and right
both use it when they can. Your shit creed as well. It was Lenin, wasn't
it? who said that communism can't work without fear?
Did you read that, Xeno? Would you call Lenin far right?
----snip----
No, but the aims are the same - total control. The difference being who
you're pretending to favour.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Ned Latham
2020-04-21 11:32:17 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") has
another shot at imitating a terrestrial life form...
----snip----
Post by Ördög
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Jeßus
I generally cringe when people use epithets such
as 'Nazi, but in Dutton's case it seems to be
appropriate.
How about his wish that people be jailed for
refusing to supply passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/
peter-dutton-proposes-prison-for-refusing-
to-provide-passwords/
I don't use the term 'Nazi' very often either.
The term fits Dutton perfectly.
To be correct he is not a full blown Nazi in the
literary sense of the word,
He's not a nazi in *any* ense of the word, moron.
Post by Ördög
but he is a full blown fascist
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left,
as is your insane creed.
Fascism is far right, always has been,
as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Get a clue, Xeno. Even the name gives it away.
Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Ördög
ready to implement a totalitarian hard right rule
Capitalist, right.
Post by Ördög
over the country enforced by his favourite dream version
of a police state apparatus.
That's it, totalitarianism. Not a political creed at all. Left
and right both use it when they can. Your shit creed as well.
It was Lenin, wasn't it? who said that communism can't work
without fear?
Did you read that, Xeno? Would you call Lenin far right?
No, but the aims are the same - total control.
That's only intermediary. After that, they will introduce a workers'
paradise. Even the capitalists say that (albeit in different words).

Does anyone know what "worker's paradise" means? Other, of course,
than "only non-workers will be shot on sight".
Post by Xeno
The difference being who you're pretending to favour.
Can't say I favour either, really. Something...

Getting back to Dutton, I classify him as an Authoritarian and
wannabe ToTalitarian. Politics? He'd be some sort of capitalist,
I suppose, but how far right I don't know; they're a broad
spectrum, as lefties are, and I just don't care about that shit.
Fran
2020-04-22 00:12:06 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left, as is your
insane creed.
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Get a clue, Xeno. Even the name gives it away.
Bwhahahahahahaha! Pig ignorant yanks use that ignorant line and you're
just regurgitating their pig ignorance.

Get a basic political education:
"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly
not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with
the birth of the party."
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

And if that is not enough, ask an adult to read, and explain, the rest
of these to you:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 00:37:24 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left, as is your
insane creed.
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Get a clue, Xeno. Even the name gives it away.
Bwhahahahahahaha! Pig ignorant yanks use that ignorant line and you're
just regurgitating their pig ignorance.
"Pig ignorant" is *your* attribute Piggy. The misuse of "Authoritarian"
and "Totalitarian as if they were the names of political creeds has a
long history, but that doesn't change the fact that they'e not political
creeds: they are the methodologies of tyranny, and have been used by
*both* left and right.
Practise what you preach, moron.

In what way are the Totalitarian regimes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and
so on "rightist"?

You need a brain, you moron, almost as badly as that red-ragging
maniac Yap-Yap.

----more leftard lunacy snipped----
Ördög
2020-04-22 01:01:11 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Bwhahahahahahaha! Pig ignorant yanks use that ignorant line and you're
just regurgitating their pig ignorance.
"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly
not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with
the birth of the party."
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
And if that is not enough, ask an adult to read, and explain, the rest
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-
brooks-gohmert
Post by Fran
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-
of-history/10214302
Post by Fran
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-
falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
Post by Fran
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
Obviously Nazism has not been anywhere near the political Left (the Nazis
have persecuted, dumped into concentration camps or right out executed
countless social democrats, socialist and communists).

In addition the following articles are also relevant:

*Intellectual origins*
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Intellectual-origins>

*Precursors and Origins of Italian Fascism*
<https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/precursors-origins-italian-
fascism>

It seems these days many people out in the public domain propagate the
belief that capitalism is synonymous with fascism and communism with
totalitarianism. That was/is clearly NOT the case even if these two
econopolitical ideologies had/may still lead to such undesirable outcomes
in governance.

I hope Xeno is willing to educate himself.
But Mad Ned??? He is a a lost cause, his mind is totally fucked up and is
closed to any outside influence of rational thinking.
--
Ördög
Welcome to real Hell on Earth! :)
That is when Lieberals and Countrymorons running the show.
They rain down on you *at your expense* hate, greed, bullying, nepotism
and plutocracy!
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 02:02:14 UTC
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The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") has
another shot at imitating a terrestrial life form...

----snip----
Post by Ördög
Obviously Nazism has not been anywhere near the political Left (the Nazis
have persecuted, dumped into concentration camps or right out executed
countless social democrats, socialist and communists).
Unlike your leftard menagerie of mass murder maniacs, ay Kommissar K9?

Get it into your pointy little head, you moron. Naziism is socialist,
and it is left (just not the lunatic left that you've espoused): they
*all* use Authitarian and Totalitarian control systems.
Fran
2020-04-22 07:43:43 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Bwhahahahahahaha! Pig ignorant yanks use that ignorant line and you're
just regurgitating their pig ignorance.
"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly
not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with
the birth of the party."
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
And if that is not enough, ask an adult to read, and explain, the rest
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-
brooks-gohmert
Post by Fran
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-
of-history/10214302
Post by Fran
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-
falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
Post by Fran
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
Obviously Nazism has not been anywhere near the political Left (the Nazis
have persecuted, dumped into concentration camps or right out executed
countless social democrats, socialist and communists).
Yep. But amazingly there are so many pig ignorant drips who still suck
up the yankee brain washing.
Post by Fran
*Intellectual origins*
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Intellectual-origins>
*Precursors and Origins of Italian Fascism*
<https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/precursors-origins-italian-
fascism>
It seems these days many people out in the public domain propagate the
belief that capitalism is synonymous with fascism and communism with
totalitarianism. That was/is clearly NOT the case even if these two
econopolitical ideologies had/may still lead to such undesirable outcomes
in governance.
Yep.
Post by Fran
I hope Xeno is willing to educate himself.
Xeno knows much more than Noddy Loathsome as he was the one who told
Loathsome that Fascism is far right.
Post by Fran
But Mad Ned??? He is a a lost cause, his mind is totally fucked up and is
closed to any outside influence of rational thinking.
Yep. Totally bonkers.
Fran
2020-04-21 23:58:59 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left, as is your
insane creed.
LOL. Wrong!
Post by Xeno
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Yep. Just another example of Noddy Loathsome's ignorance.
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 00:29:21 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") has
another shot at imitating a terrestrial life form...
----snip----
Post by Ördög
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Jeßus
I generally cringe when people use epithets such as 'Nazi, but in
Dutton's case it seems to be appropriate.
How about his wish that people be jailed for refusing to supply
passwords?
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/
peter-dutton-proposes-prison-for-refusing-to-provide-passwords/
I don't use the term 'Nazi' very often either. The term fits Dutton
perfectly.
To be correct he is not a full blown Nazi in the literary sense of the
word,
He's not a nazi in *any* ense of the word, moron.
Post by Ördög
but he is a full blown fascist
Neither is he a fascist. Both of those creeds are left, as is your
insane creed.
LOL. Wrong!
You couldn't be otherwise even if you ate a bottle of "righrt" pills.
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Yep. Just another example of Noddy Loathsome's ignorance.
Get a clue, you retard.
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Post by Ned Latham
Post by Ördög
ready to implement a totalitarian hard right rule
Capitalist, right.
Post by Ördög
over the country enforced by his favourite dream version of a police
state apparatus.
That's it, totalitarianism. Not a political creed at all. Left and right
both use it when they can. Your shit creed as well. It was Lenin, wasn't
it? who said that communism can't work without fear?
Post by Ördög
Despicable!
Your new .sig suits you, Yap-Yap.
Ördög
2020-04-22 00:30:19 UTC
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Post by Fran
Xeno
LOL. Wrong!
Has Mad Ned ever managed to be right about any topic under discussion,
whatever it may be?
Post by Fran
Post by Xeno
Fascism is far right, always has been, as has Nazism as a form of fascism.
Yep.
Of course it is. The idiot has no clue where that descriptive political
term has seeped into the contemporary public vocabulary.

That mad jerk conflates at the best of times ideologies, politics, failed
political outcomes, pure propaganda and historical inaccuracies into some
sort of unappetising dogs' breakfasts.
Post by Fran
Just another example of Noddy Loathsome's ignorance.
If only it was just innocent ignorance. More likely it is wilful
ignorance paired with limitless arrogance severely magnified by his a
desperately attention seeking over inflated ego. The creep reminds me of
Trump in so many ways, it is not funny.
--
Ördög
Welcome to real Hell on Earth! :)
That is when Lieberals and Countrymorons running the show.
They rain down on you *at your expense* hate, greed, bullying, nepotism
and plutocracy!
Ned Latham
2020-04-22 01:53:05 UTC
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The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") has
another shot at imitating a terrestrial life form...
Post by Ördög
Has Mad Ned ever managed to be right about any topic under discussion,
whatever it may be?
No. The Voices in your pointy little head are as insane as you are.

But I have, and the subject is you.
Fran
2020-04-22 07:47:32 UTC
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Post by Fran
Just another example of Noddy Loathsome's ignorance.
If only it was just innocent ignorance. More likely it is wilful
ignorance paired with limitless arrogance severely magnified by his a
desperately attention seeking over inflated ego. The creep reminds me of
Trump in so many ways, it is not funny.
Someone was telling my husband that Trump was a drug addict. Now that
is a new twist for us. It could explain the irritability and irrational
state of mind though. I still want to know if Trump wears makeup.
news18
2020-04-23 01:05:32 UTC
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Post by Fran
Someone was telling my husband that Trump was a drug addict. Now that
is a new twist for us. It could explain the irritability and irrational
state of mind though. I still want to know if Trump wears makeup.
Do you know anyone else who has orange skin?
IME, that person spent an excessive amount of time tanning and their skin
was like tanned leather.
Dechucka
2020-04-23 01:15:56 UTC
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Post by Fran
Someone was telling my husband that Trump was a drug addict. Now that
is a new twist for us. It could explain the irritability and irrational
state of mind though. I still want to know if Trump wears makeup.
Do you know anyone else who has orange skin?
My first daughters skin turned orange when she was a baby. Dr told us to
reduce the mushed carrot and sweet potato. Has a fancy name, apparently
fairly common with first time parents.
b***@topmail.co.nz
2020-04-21 08:07:40 UTC
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I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Maybe Barnaby doesn't want his phone tracked because he is cheating on his
missus again?
Ned Latham
2020-04-21 09:43:30 UTC
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I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Maybe Barnaby doesn't want his phone tracked because he is cheating on his
missus again?
LOL
Xeno
2020-04-21 10:41:07 UTC
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I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Maybe Barnaby doesn't want his phone tracked because he is cheating on his
missus again?
Highly likely scenario.

Maybe he thinks it was his Lib mates who shopped him last time?
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Xeno
2020-04-21 10:37:13 UTC
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I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
I do not give a flying fuck about ANYTHING that Joyce has to say. I
suggest that we all ignore Joyce, because he is a moron.
Yes, he is, and he just keeps on proving it. My point was that the Nats
don't even trust the Libs.
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My initial response was that I'd do so when my pigs could fly but
I've changed my mind as has my husband.  If it will get us back to
doing what we'd all like to be doing sooner than another 6-12 months
of self isolation, then I'll risk it.
We won't be doing any international travel anytime soon though.
Haven't done any international travel since 2001 and no intention in
the future but still won't be downloading *anything* the Liberal
government sanctions that has the risk potential of this app.
**If Dutton suggests that we download the app, I will avoid it at all
costs. I wouldn't trust that Nazi as far as I can throw him.
No disagreement from me on that score.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Fran
2020-04-21 04:02:12 UTC
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I wrote and sent this earlier today but it seems to have not gone for
After a lot of reading and thought, we've decided we will download it.
If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
Because he's a fuckwit who doesn't understand what he's being told.
He's not alone.
Ned Latham
2020-04-21 05:26:02 UTC
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If Barnaby Joyce doesn't trust his running mates, why should we?
Because he's a fuckwit who doesn't understand what he's being told.
He's not alone.
He's got you for company. Ick.
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