Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

[PJODonovan]

Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM

"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

[Jon°]

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

Prat.

[Neil]

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

Prat.

You're the prat. He makes an interesting point.

[cornholio]

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by cornholio

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.

[oz]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law? You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law? You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.

[cornholio]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law?  You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.

I'm not sure if muslimes impose the Jizya tax in any of their
countries
in the 21st century. At least they don't call it the jizya tax anymore.

[oz]

Post by cornholio

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law?  You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.

I'm not sure if muslimes impose the Jizya tax in any of their
countries
in the 21st century. At least they don't call it the jizya tax anymore.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Many Christians converted because they couldn't afford to pay the
tax. It was commonplace that their infants would be wrested from them
in lieu of paying cash, which they didn't have. Discimination is
still rampant and making a living is tough in those countries. Coptic
Christians in Egypt were machine gunned upon leaving Xmas eve mass
this past year and the cops don't even pretend to find the murderers.
Girls are routinely kidnapped and forced into sexual slavery. The
jizya tax....bullshit. Those Muslims are just plain cruel, and we're
seeing only the tip of the iceberg as of now. .

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by oz

Post by cornholio

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

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Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divided
along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost
half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control
the
Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have
for
the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law? You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.

I'm not sure if muslimes impose the Jizya tax in any of their
countries
in the 21st century. At least they don't call it the jizya tax anymore.-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I missed this post. They still want to impose some sort of tax onto
unbelievers.

Post by oz
Many Christians converted because they couldn't afford to pay the
tax. It was commonplace that their infants would be wrested from them
in lieu of paying cash, which they didn't have. Discimination is
still rampant and making a living is tough in those countries. Coptic
Christians in Egypt were machine gunned upon leaving Xmas eve mass
this past year and the cops don't even pretend to find the murderers.
Girls are routinely kidnapped and forced into sexual slavery. The
jizya tax....bullshit. Those Muslims are just plain cruel, and we're
seeing only the tip of the iceberg as of now. .

Exactly and I speak out against those cruel evil bastards.

[oz]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law?  You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know of not one "Christian" country where somebody would commit a
capital crime if they switched from Chrisianity, but there are a
number of Muslim countries where a person would be up for excution if
a Muslim dared switch from Islam. A mosque is located not far from
the Vatican, but are any Christian chuches allowed to be built in
Saudi Arabia? NO!! It amazes me that people, what with is going on
throuhout the world, would attempt to draw parallels between the two
faiths of Islam and and any sect of Chistianity. Do these people
sleep under rocks?

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have
for
the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law? You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know of not one "Christian" country where somebody would commit a
capital crime if they switched from Chrisianity, but there are a
number of Muslim countries where a person would be up for excution if
a Muslim dared switch from Islam. A mosque is located not far from
the Vatican, but are any Christian chuches allowed to be built in
Saudi Arabia? NO!! It amazes me that people, what with is going on
throuhout the world, would attempt to draw parallels between the two
faiths of Islam and and any sect of Chistianity. Do these people
sleep under rocks?

Again I'm with you on everything you said. But Christianity does have blood
on it's hands. Plus Christians have committed acts of violence against
abortion clinics in America. Ok it's only the minority. But saying all
Muslims support the actions of Muslim extremists is a bit much. I don't hate
all Muslims, I just think the one's who do all the stuff you say (and
support them) are evil people and fascists.

[oz]

Post by Seon Ferguson

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Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

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Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided
along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost
half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have
for
the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law?  You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know of not one "Christian" country where somebody would commit a
capital crime if they switched from Chrisianity, but there are a
number of Muslim countries where a person would be up for excution if
a Muslim dared switch from Islam.  A mosque is located not far from
the Vatican, but are any Christian chuches allowed to be built in
Saudi Arabia?  NO!! It amazes me that people, what with is going on
throuhout the world, would attempt to draw parallels between the two
faiths of Islam and and any sect of Chistianity.  Do these people
sleep under rocks?

Again I'm with you on everything you said. But Christianity does have blood
on it's hands. Plus Christians have committed acts of violence against
abortion clinics in America. Ok it's only the minority. But saying all
Muslims support the actions of Muslim extremists is a bit much. I don't hate
all Muslims, I just think the one's who do all the stuff you say (and
support them) are evil people and fascists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Muslims are expected to be strong adherers to their book, which
repeatedly directs their followers to kill. Granted, the Muslims that
do the killing are few, but we fail to see the waves of Muslims who
should be screaming that it's wrong. We don't, because in the hearts
of most of them, they agree with what's going on. They contribute
money; they cover up; in other words the vast majority are guilty, if
only tacitly so. Those that murder abortion doctors, on the other
hand, do not so by instructions of any Christian church, but rather
by direction of their own misguided kookiness.

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided
along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost
half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control
the
Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity
so
we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have
for
the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law? You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know of not one "Christian" country where somebody would commit a
capital crime if they switched from Chrisianity, but there are a
number of Muslim countries where a person would be up for excution if
a Muslim dared switch from Islam. A mosque is located not far from
the Vatican, but are any Christian chuches allowed to be built in
Saudi Arabia? NO!! It amazes me that people, what with is going on
throuhout the world, would attempt to draw parallels between the two
faiths of Islam and and any sect of Chistianity. Do these people
sleep under rocks?

Again I'm with you on everything you said. But Christianity does have blood
on it's hands. Plus Christians have committed acts of violence against
abortion clinics in America. Ok it's only the minority. But saying all
Muslims support the actions of Muslim extremists is a bit much. I don't hate
all Muslims, I just think the one's who do all the stuff you say (and
support them) are evil people and fascists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Muslims are expected to be strong adherers to their book, which
repeatedly directs their followers to kill. Granted, the Muslims that
do the killing are few, but we fail to see the waves of Muslims who
should be screaming that it's wrong. We don't, because in the hearts
of most of them, they agree with what's going on. They contribute
money; they cover up; in other words the vast majority are guilty, if
only tacitly so. Those that murder abortion doctors, on the other
hand, do not so by instructions of any Christian church, but rather
by direction of their own misguided kookiness.

But they are Muslims who speak out against the acts of terrorists. I even
saw on the news Muslims in Pakistan were saying the Taliban are not true
Muslims. Plus al Qaida perverts the teachings of the Koran and take the
quotes out of context. They also have political reasons for doing what they
do. I'm not trying to justify terrorism, I'm just pointing that out.

[FACE]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:36:40 +1100, in uk.politics.misc, "Seon Ferguson"

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus al Qaida perverts the teachings of the Koran and take the
quotes out of context.

No, Al Qaeda (and many other jihadist groups) don't pervert the Koran.
They take from the koran the verses of the sword literally and act upon
them.

Neither do they take the verses they quote out of context. They take them
*in* the context that their warrior prophet Mohammed of Medina used them
(and manufactured them).

FACE

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by FACE
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:36:40 +1100, in uk.politics.misc, "Seon

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus al Qaida perverts the teachings of the Koran and take the
quotes out of context.

No, Al Qaeda (and many other jihadist groups) don't pervert the Koran.
They take from the koran the verses of the sword literally and act
upon them.
Neither do they take the verses they quote out of context. They take
them *in* the context that their warrior prophet Mohammed of Medina
used them (and manufactured them).

The Bible is full of equally barbaric instructions,
but thankfully even the most fervent Christians know
better than try to enforce.



"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day
shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD .
Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."
Exodus 35:2.

[FACE]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:17:44 -0600, in uk.politics.misc, Mitchell Holman

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by FACE
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:36:40 +1100, in uk.politics.misc, "Seon

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus al Qaida perverts the teachings of the Koran and take the
quotes out of context.

No, Al Qaeda (and many other jihadist groups) don't pervert the Koran.
They take from the koran the verses of the sword literally and act
upon them.
Neither do they take the verses they quote out of context. They take
them *in* the context that their warrior prophet Mohammed of Medina
used them (and manufactured them).

The Bible is full of equally barbaric instructions,
but thankfully even the most fervent Christians know
better than try to enforce.

I see that you remain an idiot, holman. Trying fervently to change the
subject so that you might feel less inferior................

Were you this stupid at birth or did it require lessons?

FACE

Post by Mitchell Holman
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day
shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD .
Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."
Exodus 35:2.

[oz]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:36:40 +1100,  in uk.politics.misc,  "Seon

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus al Qaida perverts the teachings of the Koran and take the
quotes out of context.

No, Al Qaeda (and many other jihadist groups) don't pervert the Koran.
They take from the koran the verses of the sword literally and act
upon them.
Neither do they take the verses they quote out of context.  They take
them *in* the context that their warrior prophet Mohammed of Medina
used them (and manufactured them).

    The Bible is full of equally barbaric instructions,
but thankfully even the most fervent Christians know
better than try to enforce.
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day
shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD .
Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."
Exodus 35:2.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find any of that in the New
Testament. The Old has some, and those have been disregarded hundreds
(thousand?) of years ago.

[oz]

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Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divided
along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority
would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost
half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control
the
Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that
divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity
so
we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have
for
the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law?  You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know of not one "Christian" country where somebody would commit a
capital crime if they switched from Chrisianity, but there are a
number of Muslim countries where a person would be up for excution if
a Muslim dared switch from Islam.  A mosque is located not far from
the Vatican, but are any Christian chuches allowed to be built in
Saudi Arabia?  NO!! It amazes me that people, what with is going on
throuhout the world, would attempt to draw parallels between the two
faiths of Islam and and any sect of Chistianity.  Do these people
sleep under rocks?

Again I'm with you on everything you said. But Christianity does have blood
on it's hands. Plus Christians have committed acts of violence against
abortion clinics in America. Ok it's only the minority. But saying all
Muslims support the actions of Muslim extremists is a bit much. I don't hate
all Muslims, I just think the one's who do all the stuff you say (and
support them) are evil people and fascists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Muslims are expected to be strong adherers to their book, which
repeatedly directs their followers to kill. Granted, the Muslims that
do the killing are few, but we fail to see the waves of Muslims who
should be screaming that it's wrong.  We don't, because in the hearts
of most of them, they agree with what's going on.  They contribute
money; they cover up; in other words the vast majority are guilty, if
only tacitly so. Those that murder  abortion doctors, on the other
hand,  do not so by instructions of any Christian church, but rather
by direction of their own misguided kookiness.

But they are Muslims who speak out against the acts of terrorists. I even
saw on the news Muslims in Pakistan were saying the Taliban are not true
Muslims. Plus al Qaida perverts the teachings of the Koran and take the
quotes out of context. They also have political reasons for doing what they
do. I'm not trying to justify terrorism, I'm just pointing that out.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

There' s a few that protest, but there are 1.3 billion Muslims we
don't hear anything from. The majority of Muslims take what the
Qur'an says literally, and the parts thatt says to kill infidels is
not taken out of context. It's repeated over and over. Let's look at
it from it's historical perspective, they have started out from the
time of Mohammad to be on a warpath. They have taken vast areas of
land and forced people to convert.....or die. They took over one third
of the land that was Christian (Egypt, north Africa) in that fashion,
which is what got the crusades going, as Pope Urban saw that they were
going to take over everything if they weren't stopped. One example is
Afghanistan which is all Muslim now, but was once Buddhist before the
takeover. What part of the world is it that we don't see Muslims
carrying on? China, Russia, the Phillipines, Africa, you name it.
They are after world domination.

[unknown]

...They are after world domination.

Well, Muslims aren't, but PNAC certainly is.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by unknown

...They are after world domination.

Well, Muslims aren't, but PNAC certainly is.

Does the phrase new pearl harbor mean anything to people?

[Seon Ferguson]

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On Jan 11, 5:42 am, Mitchell Holman

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Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divided
along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority
would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.
Almost
half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has
had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control
the
Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that
divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity
so
we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have
for
the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and
Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's
about
time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law? You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be
common
in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist
law
there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know of not one "Christian" country where somebody would commit a
capital crime if they switched from Chrisianity, but there are a
number of Muslim countries where a person would be up for excution if
a Muslim dared switch from Islam. A mosque is located not far from
the Vatican, but are any Christian chuches allowed to be built in
Saudi Arabia? NO!! It amazes me that people, what with is going on
throuhout the world, would attempt to draw parallels between the two
faiths of Islam and and any sect of Chistianity. Do these people
sleep under rocks?

Again I'm with you on everything you said. But Christianity does have blood
on it's hands. Plus Christians have committed acts of violence against
abortion clinics in America. Ok it's only the minority. But saying all
Muslims support the actions of Muslim extremists is a bit much. I
don't
hate
all Muslims, I just think the one's who do all the stuff you say (and
support them) are evil people and fascists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Muslims are expected to be strong adherers to their book, which
repeatedly directs their followers to kill. Granted, the Muslims that
do the killing are few, but we fail to see the waves of Muslims who
should be screaming that it's wrong. We don't, because in the hearts
of most of them, they agree with what's going on. They contribute
money; they cover up; in other words the vast majority are guilty, if
only tacitly so. Those that murder abortion doctors, on the other
hand, do not so by instructions of any Christian church, but rather
by direction of their own misguided kookiness.

But they are Muslims who speak out against the acts of terrorists. I even
saw on the news Muslims in Pakistan were saying the Taliban are not true
Muslims. Plus al Qaida perverts the teachings of the Koran and take the
quotes out of context. They also have political reasons for doing what they
do. I'm not trying to justify terrorism, I'm just pointing that out.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

There' s a few that protest, but there are 1.3 billion Muslims we
don't hear anything from. The majority of Muslims take what the
Qur'an says literally, and the parts thatt says to kill infidels is
not taken out of context. It's repeated over and over. Let's look at
it from it's historical perspective, they have started out from the
time of Mohammad to be on a warpath. They have taken vast areas of
land and forced people to convert.....or die. They took over one third
of the land that was Christian (Egypt, north Africa) in that fashion,
which is what got the crusades going, as Pope Urban saw that they were
going to take over everything if they weren't stopped. One example is
Afghanistan which is all Muslim now, but was once Buddhist before the
takeover. What part of the world is it that we don't see Muslims
carrying on? China, Russia, the Phillipines, Africa, you name it.
They are after world domination.

You don't see the majority of Christians speaking out against the Crusades,
the witch burnings, the Inquisition, priests molesting children do you?
Islam may be trying to take over the world but as long as people will fight
it I don't think it will succeed. The trouble is it has taken over some
European countries. But the only place Muhammad conquered was mecca, right?
So why can't we argue that his followers perverted his teachings after he
died and took verses out of context etc

[Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF]

Post by Seon Ferguson
You don't see the majority of Christians speaking out against the Crusades,

Why should they? Or don't you think they had a right to defend themselves
against arselifter agression?

Post by Seon Ferguson
Islam may be trying to take over the world but as long
as people will fight it I don't think it will succeed.

You sound a little hypocritical there, in light of your comment about the Crusades.

Post by Seon Ferguson
The trouble is it has taken over some European countries.

Yes, Spain and Eastern Europe. This was well documented.

Post by Seon Ferguson
But the only place Muhammad conquered was mecca, right?

And Medina.

Post by Seon Ferguson
So why can't we argue that his followers
perverted his teachings after he died and took verses out of context etc

How?
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Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have
for
the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law? You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know of not one "Christian" country where somebody would commit a
capital crime if they switched from Chrisianity, but there are a
number of Muslim countries where a person would be up for excution if
a Muslim dared switch from Islam. A mosque is located not far from
the Vatican, but are any Christian chuches allowed to be built in
Saudi Arabia? NO!! It amazes me that people, what with is going on
throuhout the world, would attempt to draw parallels between the two
faiths of Islam and and any sect of Chistianity. Do these people
sleep under rocks?

Again I'm with you on everything you said. But Christianity does have blood
on it's hands. Plus Christians have committed acts of violence against
abortion clinics in America. Ok it's only the minority. But saying all
Muslims support the actions of Muslim extremists is a bit much. I don't hate
all Muslims, I just think the one's who do all the stuff you say (and
support them) are evil people and fascists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Muslims are expected to be strong adherers to their book, which
repeatedly directs their followers to kill. Granted, the Muslims that
do the killing are few, but we fail to see the waves of Muslims who
should be screaming that it's wrong. We don't, because in the hearts
of most of them, they agree with what's going on. They contribute
money; they cover up; in other words the vast majority are guilty, if
only tacitly so. Those that murder abortion doctors, on the other
hand, do not so by instructions of any Christian church, but rather
by direction of their own misguided kookiness.

In other words the majority of Muslims are behaving as most people have
throughout the ages when dealing with fanatics of any religion or
political philosophy; they're keeping their heads down.

[Donna Evleth]

alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:14:13 +0000
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson
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Post by oz

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Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have
for
the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law? You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

And scenes like that woman getting whipped in Pakistan would be common in
brittian. Dude, I agree with you. Sharia law is the most fascist law there
is. And the non Muslim tax is pretty barbaric as well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know of not one "Christian" country where somebody would commit a
capital crime if they switched from Chrisianity, but there are a
number of Muslim countries where a person would be up for excution if
a Muslim dared switch from Islam. A mosque is located not far from
the Vatican, but are any Christian chuches allowed to be built in
Saudi Arabia? NO!! It amazes me that people, what with is going on
throuhout the world, would attempt to draw parallels between the two
faiths of Islam and and any sect of Chistianity. Do these people
sleep under rocks?

Again I'm with you on everything you said. But Christianity does have blood
on it's hands. Plus Christians have committed acts of violence against
abortion clinics in America. Ok it's only the minority. But saying all
Muslims support the actions of Muslim extremists is a bit much. I don't hate
all Muslims, I just think the one's who do all the stuff you say (and
support them) are evil people and fascists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Muslims are expected to be strong adherers to their book, which
repeatedly directs their followers to kill. Granted, the Muslims that
do the killing are few, but we fail to see the waves of Muslims who
should be screaming that it's wrong. We don't, because in the hearts
of most of them, they agree with what's going on. They contribute
money; they cover up; in other words the vast majority are guilty, if
only tacitly so. Those that murder abortion doctors, on the other
hand, do not so by instructions of any Christian church, but rather
by direction of their own misguided kookiness.

In other words the majority of Muslims are behaving as most people have
throughout the ages when dealing with fanatics of any religion or
political philosophy; they're keeping their heads down.

Absolutely. It is very hard to deal with fanatics, because being fanatics,
they simply will not listen to reason. And they may turn on you. Another
problem with Islam is the lack of a hierarchy, and the multitude of sects,
not all of which are alike, and which sometimes war among themselves.

Donna Evleth

[cornholio]

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law?  You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

Once muslimes become the majority, they will become the democracy.

[oz]

Post by oz

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion or the hatred Muslims and Christians
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time
humanity took of the shackles of organised religion and worked together
instead of tear each other appart.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Do ou really think there would be any democracy once the Muslims
impose their shariah law?  You'd watch the beer pubs in England get
closed down and you'd likely see yor presently modestly clad females
thrust into long dresses and burquas (sp?).

Once muslimes become the majority, they will become the democracy.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You're kidding, of course. Once they take over, it's shariah law,
baby. Those gay bars will be closed down and the occupiers likely
will be buried alive, after they're forced to dig their own graves.

[unknown]

... gay bars will be closed down ...

So that's why you're in such a panic.

[oz]

Post by unknown

... gay bars will be closed down ...

So that's why you're in such a panic.

Nope, I'm totally hetero. I just don't want to see any of our
freedoms taken away, be it gay bars, beer pubs, etc. i may disagee
with the queers, but I'll fight for their freedoms. I've long ago
quit hitting the beer joints, but I don't want to see them shut down
just because I don't frequent them any longer. Same with cigarettes,
etc.

[unknown]

...I just don't want to see ...

That's why you have no idea what reality looks like.

Islam isn't a threat to you at all.

... gay bars will be closed down ...

So that's why you're in such a panic.

[oz]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Look at the irish blasphemy laws. It is just an attempt to control the Irish
people and censor any criticism of the Vatican. It's not Islam that divides
us it is religion. The entire thing was set up to divide humanity so we
would fight amongst each other. Look at all the hatred Muslims have for the
Jews just because of their religion

or the hatred Muslims and Christians

Post by Seon Ferguson
have for gay people. Or for people of other religions. It's about time

Tell me, where do Christians show hate for gays as do the Muslims,
where in some areas they bury them alive? Across the globe Muslims
are killing nonMuslimsnevery day because of religion and you lamely
come across with this silly notion that the cure is to rid the world
of religions. The Muslims, once they take power, by sheer numbers,
will institute shariah law. You will see gay bars, beer pubs, etc.,
across Europe closed down. It's finally when they have taken over the
world will you appreciate the democracy you have and the Christian
religion you scorn. Wake up. Look at Europe and what's going on right
now.

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy.

Both the UK and Ireland have official religions.

Why?

Post by cornholio
Muslimes OTOH....

They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

[Earl Evleth]

On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

Post by Mitchell Holman
They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)

They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch

and I don't like anybody very much!

But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

[Earl Evleth]

Post by Earl Evleth
Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)

I forgot the Israelis and the Turks

Turkey envoy: Israel's shameful display is worst I've ever seen
By Haaretz Service

The Turkish Foreign Ministry on Tuesday summoned Israeli Ambassador Gaby
Levy for clarification, a day after the foreign ministry in Jerusalem called
in Ankara's envoy to Israel for what the latter described to Army Radio as
the most shameful experience of his 35-year career.

Israel's Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday that Deputy Foreign Minister Danny
Ayalon did not intend to humiliate Ambassador Ahmet Oguz Celikkol by seating
him in a lower chair without flag representation during their meeting.

Celikkol was called in regarding a recent Turkish television drama depicting
actors dressed as Shin Bet officers who kidnap babies.

Advertisement
The Foreign Ministry stressed that it had summoned the envoy and ordered
the seating arrangment to make clear that it would respond to any insult
made by the Turkish leadership.

Just three months ago, a similar diplomatic instance occurred between the
two countries after Turkey aired the controversial television drama Ayrilik
("Separation") which featured actors dressed as Israeli soldiers killing
Palestinian children.

During the meeting, Turkey's ambassador was seated in a low sofa, and facing
him, in higher chairs, were Ayalon and two other officials - an arrangement
carried out at Lieberman's orders.

A photo-op was held at the start of the meeting, during which Ayalon told
the photographers in Hebrew: "Pay attention that he is sitting in a
lower chair and we are in the higher ones, that there is only an Israeli
flag on the table and that we are not smiling."

Celikkol's associates told Army Radio on Tuesday, that the meeting with
Ayalon was the most shameful display he had seen in 35 years as a diplomat.

According to the associates, Celikkol had no idea what the topic of
conversation was to be when first seated. When the cameras left the room,
the sources said, the meeting was normal and professional.

"Had the ambassador understood Ayalon's intentions, which were only
expressed in Hebrew, he would have responded in kind," the source told Army
Radio.

Israeli officials: Liberman wants to keep tense ties with Turkey

Meanwhile, ministry sources said Monday that Foreign Minister Avigdor
Lieberman was trying to stop Defense Minister Ehud Barak from visiting to
Turkey next week, in order to keep up the recent tensions between the two
allied countries.

Barak was scheduled to leave for Turkey on Sunday to meet with his
counterpart and the foreign minister there, in an attempt to improve
deteriorating relations.

Tensions were renewed on Monday, after Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip
Erdogan declared that Israel was endangering world peace by using
exaggerated force against the Palestinians, breaching Lebanon's air space
and waters and for not revealing the details of its nuclear program.

According to Foreign Ministry sources, Lieberman is now looking to "heat
things up" before Barak's trip, so as to torpedo attempts to mend the
tensions.

"We get the sense that Lieberman wants to heat things up before Barak's
visit," a senior Foreign Ministry source said. "All of the recent activities
were part of Lieberman's political agenda."

The Turkish government was expected to give a warm welcome to Barak, who
alongside Labor Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer was looking to bring the
allies' relations back to stability.

The Foreign Ministry sources surmised that Lieberman's efforts were aimed at
preventing Turkey from resuming its role as mediator in Israel's peace talks
with Syria
PROMOTION: Mamilla Hotel

[cornholio]

Post by Earl Evleth

Post by Earl Evleth
Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)

I forgot the Israelis and the Turks
 Turkey envoy: Israel's shameful display is worst I've ever seen
  By Haaretz Service
 The Turkish Foreign Ministry on Tuesday summoned Israeli Ambassador Gaby
Levy for clarification, a day after the foreign ministry in Jerusalem called
in Ankara's envoy to Israel for what the latter described to Army Radio as
the most shameful experience of his 35-year career.
Israel's Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday that Deputy Foreign Minister Danny
Ayalon did not intend to humiliate Ambassador Ahmet Oguz Celikkol by seating
him in a lower chair without flag representation during their meeting.
Celikkol was called in regarding a recent Turkish television drama depicting
actors dressed as Shin Bet officers who kidnap babies.
Advertisement
 The Foreign Ministry stressed that it had summoned the envoy and ordered
the seating arrangment to make clear that it would respond to any insult
made by the Turkish leadership.
Just three months ago, a similar diplomatic instance occurred between the
two countries after Turkey aired the controversial television drama Ayrilik
("Separation") which featured actors dressed as Israeli soldiers killing
Palestinian children.
During the meeting, Turkey's ambassador was seated in a low sofa, and facing
him, in higher chairs, were Ayalon and two other officials - an arrangement
carried out at Lieberman's orders.
A photo-op was held at the start of the meeting, during which Ayalon told
the photographers in Hebrew: "Pay attention that he is sitting in a
lower chair and we are in the higher ones, that there is only an Israeli
flag on the table and that we are not smiling."
Celikkol's associates told Army Radio on Tuesday, that the meeting with
Ayalon was the most shameful display he had seen in 35 years as a diplomat.
According to the associates, Celikkol had no idea what the topic of
conversation was to be when first seated. When the cameras left the room,
the sources said, the meeting was normal and professional.
"Had the ambassador understood Ayalon's intentions, which were only
expressed in Hebrew, he would have responded in kind," the source told Army
Radio.
Israeli officials: Liberman wants to keep tense ties with Turkey
Meanwhile, ministry sources said Monday that Foreign Minister Avigdor
Lieberman was trying to stop Defense Minister Ehud Barak from visiting to
Turkey next week, in order to keep up the recent tensions between the two
allied countries.
Barak was scheduled to leave for Turkey on Sunday to meet with his
counterpart and the foreign minister there, in an attempt to improve
deteriorating relations.
Tensions were renewed on Monday, after Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip
Erdogan declared that Israel was endangering world peace by using
exaggerated force against the Palestinians, breaching Lebanon's air space
and waters and for not revealing the details of its nuclear program.
According to Foreign Ministry sources, Lieberman is now looking to "heat
things up" before Barak's trip, so as to torpedo attempts to mend the
tensions.
"We get the sense that Lieberman wants to heat things up before Barak's
visit," a senior Foreign Ministry source said. "All of the recent activities
were part of Lieberman's political agenda."
The Turkish government was expected to give a warm welcome to Barak, who
alongside Labor Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer was looking to bring the
allies' relations back to stability.
The Foreign Ministry sources surmised that Lieberman's efforts were aimed at
preventing Turkey from resuming its role as mediator in Israel's peace talks
with Syria
 PROMOTION:  Mamilla Hotel

So when is muslime Turkey going to own up to the Armenian Genocide?

[oz]

Post by Earl Evleth

Post by Earl Evleth
Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)

I forgot the Israelis and the Turks
 Turkey envoy: Israel's shameful display is worst I've ever seen
  By Haaretz Service
 The Turkish Foreign Ministry on Tuesday summoned Israeli Ambassador Gaby
Levy for clarification, a day after the foreign ministry in Jerusalem called
in Ankara's envoy to Israel for what the latter described to Army Radio as
the most shameful experience of his 35-year career.
Israel's Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday that Deputy Foreign Minister Danny
Ayalon did not intend to humiliate Ambassador Ahmet Oguz Celikkol by seating
him in a lower chair without flag representation during their meeting.
Celikkol was called in regarding a recent Turkish television drama depicting
actors dressed as Shin Bet officers who kidnap babies.
Advertisement
 The Foreign Ministry stressed that it had summoned the envoy and ordered
the seating arrangment to make clear that it would respond to any insult
made by the Turkish leadership.
Just three months ago, a similar diplomatic instance occurred between the
two countries after Turkey aired the controversial television drama Ayrilik
("Separation") which featured actors dressed as Israeli soldiers killing
Palestinian children.
During the meeting, Turkey's ambassador was seated in a low sofa, and facing
him, in higher chairs, were Ayalon and two other officials - an arrangement
carried out at Lieberman's orders.
A photo-op was held at the start of the meeting, during which Ayalon told
the photographers in Hebrew: "Pay attention that he is sitting in a
lower chair and we are in the higher ones, that there is only an Israeli
flag on the table and that we are not smiling."
Celikkol's associates told Army Radio on Tuesday, that the meeting with
Ayalon was the most shameful display he had seen in 35 years as a diplomat.
According to the associates, Celikkol had no idea what the topic of
conversation was to be when first seated. When the cameras left the room,
the sources said, the meeting was normal and professional.
"Had the ambassador understood Ayalon's intentions, which were only
expressed in Hebrew, he would have responded in kind," the source told Army
Radio.
Israeli officials: Liberman wants to keep tense ties with Turkey
Meanwhile, ministry sources said Monday that Foreign Minister Avigdor
Lieberman was trying to stop Defense Minister Ehud Barak from visiting to
Turkey next week, in order to keep up the recent tensions between the two
allied countries.
Barak was scheduled to leave for Turkey on Sunday to meet with his
counterpart and the foreign minister there, in an attempt to improve
deteriorating relations.
Tensions were renewed on Monday, after Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip
Erdogan declared that Israel was endangering world peace by using
exaggerated force against the Palestinians, breaching Lebanon's air space
and waters and for not revealing the details of its nuclear program.
According to Foreign Ministry sources, Lieberman is now looking to "heat
things up" before Barak's trip, so as to torpedo attempts to mend the
tensions.
"We get the sense that Lieberman wants to heat things up before Barak's
visit," a senior Foreign Ministry source said. "All of the recent activities
were part of Lieberman's political agenda."
The Turkish government was expected to give a warm welcome to Barak, who
alongside Labor Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer was looking to bring the
allies' relations back to stability.
The Foreign Ministry sources surmised that Lieberman's efforts were aimed at
preventing Turkey from resuming its role as mediator in Israel's peace talks
with Syria
 PROMOTION:  Mamilla Hotel

So when is muslime Turkey going to own up to the Armenian Genocide?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Never. They did their holy thing when they committed the genocide.
When does Muslims ever feel bad when they kill?

[oz]

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

   They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

Thanks to the Qur'an which instructs Islamic followers many times over
to kill nonbelievers, you may wish to change that from "fellow men" to
Muslims.

[Donna Evleth]

Organization: http://groups.google.com
alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

   They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

You Ozzies are wonderful. You appreciate Tom Lehrer. I am an American, old
enough to remember the 1950s, and I used to go to San Francisco in those
days where I could see and hear Tom Lehrer live, at clubs like the Purple
Onion and the Hungry I. I listen to this song today, and feel sad, because
nothing has really changed.

Donna Evleth

[John Rennie]

Post by Donna Evleth

Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

Post by Mitchell Holman
They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

You Ozzies are wonderful. You appreciate Tom Lehrer. I am an American, old
enough to remember the 1950s, and I used to go to San Francisco in those
days where I could see and hear Tom Lehrer live, at clubs like the Purple
Onion and the Hungry I. I listen to this song today, and feel sad, because
nothing has really changed.
Donna Evleth

I remember when Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize. Lehrer packed
his showbiz career in immediately. He said nothing in his songs
could match that particular event.

[cornholio]

Organization:http://groups.google.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

   They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

You Ozzies are wonderful.  You appreciate Tom Lehrer.  I am an American, old
enough to remember the 1950s, and I used to go to San Francisco in those
days where I could see and hear Tom Lehrer live, at clubs like the Purple
Onion and the Hungry I.  I listen to this song today, and feel sad, because
nothing has really changed.
Donna Evleth

I remember when Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize.  Lehrer packed
his showbiz career in immediately.  He said nothing in his songs
could match that particular event.

Isn't Lehrer the guy who wrote that song about Werner Von Braun.
It went something like

Werner Von Braun, Werner Von Braun
when the rockets go up, who cares where they come down?
It's not my department says Werner Von Braun.

And the cripples and orphans in old London Town?
They can thank me for their pensions says Werner Von Braun.

that's all I remember and something about Nazi Schmatzi

[John Rennie]

Post by cornholio

Post by John Rennie

Post by Donna Evleth

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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

Post by Mitchell Holman
They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

You Ozzies are wonderful. You appreciate Tom Lehrer. I am an American, old
enough to remember the 1950s, and I used to go to San Francisco in those
days where I could see and hear Tom Lehrer live, at clubs like the Purple
Onion and the Hungry I. I listen to this song today, and feel sad, because
nothing has really changed.
Donna Evleth

I remember when Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize. Lehrer packed
his showbiz career in immediately. He said nothing in his songs
could match that particular event.

Isn't Lehrer the guy who wrote that song about Werner Von Braun.
It went something like
Werner Von Braun, Werner Von Braun
when the rockets go up, who cares where they come down?
It's not my department says Werner Von Braun.
And the cripples and orphans in old London Town?
They can thank me for their pensions says Werner Von Braun.
that's all I remember and something about Nazi Schmatzi

Good one. I remember Von Braun visiting London in the 60s -
he couldn't understand why there were pickets outside his
hotel and the cinema where his life story was being shown.
He forgotten the war, why couldn't the British?

[Donna Evleth]

Organization: http://groups.google.com
alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:47:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Organization:http://groups.google.com
alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

   They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

You Ozzies are wonderful.  You appreciate Tom Lehrer.  I am an American, old
enough to remember the 1950s, and I used to go to San Francisco in those
days where I could see and hear Tom Lehrer live, at clubs like the Purple
Onion and the Hungry I.  I listen to this song today, and feel sad, because
nothing has really changed.
Donna Evleth

I remember when Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize.  Lehrer packed
his showbiz career in immediately.  He said nothing in his songs
could match that particular event.

Isn't Lehrer the guy who wrote that song about Werner Von Braun.
It went something like
Werner Von Braun, Werner Von Braun
when the rockets go up, who cares where they come down?
It's not my department says Werner Von Braun.
And the cripples and orphans in old London Town?
They can thank me for their pensions says Werner Von Braun.
that's all I remember and something about Nazi Schmatzi

I don't remember all the lyrics either, but it is definitely a Tom Lehrer
song.

Donna Evleth

[cornholio]

Organization:http://groups.google.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

   They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

You Ozzies are wonderful.  You appreciate Tom Lehrer.  I am an American, old
enough to remember the 1950s, and I used to go to San Francisco in those
days where I could see and hear Tom Lehrer live, at clubs like the Purple
Onion and the Hungry I.  I listen to this song today, and feel sad, because
nothing has really changed.
Donna Evleth

I've met the guy who owned the Hungry I. He married my 2nd cousin when
he
was more than twice her age.

[John Rennie]

Post by cornholio

Post by Donna Evleth

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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

Post by Mitchell Holman
They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

You Ozzies are wonderful. You appreciate Tom Lehrer. I am an American, old
enough to remember the 1950s, and I used to go to San Francisco in those
days where I could see and hear Tom Lehrer live, at clubs like the Purple
Onion and the Hungry I. I listen to this song today, and feel sad, because
nothing has really changed.
Donna Evleth

I've met the guy who owned the Hungry I. He married my 2nd cousin when
he
was more than twice her age.

And that's bad?

[cornholio]

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio

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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by Earl Evleth
On 12/01/10 14:35, in article

   They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?

Reminds of the Kingston trio's song on hate (from the 1950s)
They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in
Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the
Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch
and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a
mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off
and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to
us will be done by our fellow man.

You Ozzies are wonderful.  You appreciate Tom Lehrer.  I am an American, old
enough to remember the 1950s, and I used to go to San Francisco in those
days where I could see and hear Tom Lehrer live, at clubs like the Purple
Onion and the Hungry I.  I listen to this song today, and feel sad, because
nothing has really changed.
Donna Evleth

I've met the guy who owned the Hungry I. He married my 2nd cousin when
he
was more than twice her age.

And that's bad?

It's their business not mine. At least she was legal when they began
dating.

[John Rennie]

snip

Post by cornholio

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio
I've met the guy who owned the Hungry I. He married my 2nd cousin when
he
was more than twice her age.

And that's bad?

It's their business not mine. At least she was legal when they began
dating.

So why did you think it necessary to mention the age difference?

[Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF]

Post by Donna Evleth
You Ozzies are wonderful.

Fuck off, you stupid dyke. You don't know that first thing about Australians.
--
http://youtu.be/_ipvdBnU8F8
- KRudd at his finest.

"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.

"This is the recession we had to have!"
- Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.

"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.

"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
- Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.

"A billion trees ..."
- Borke, pissed as a newt again.

"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
general!"
- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
appointee for Governor General John Kerr.

"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
- FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.

"I don't care what you fuckers think!"
- KRudd the KRude Rat at his finest again.

"We'll just change it all when we get in."
- Garrett the carrott

[yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)]

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Post by Donna Evleth
You Ozzies are wonderful.

Fuck off, you stupid dyke. You don't know that first thing about Australians.

Ask Shithead O'Donovan. He's an expert.

*snigger*

Y.

[Mr Q. Z. Diablo]

Post by Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

Post by Donna Evleth
You Ozzies are wonderful.

Fuck off, you stupid dyke. You don't know that first thing about Australians.

She knows more about Australians than you know about ... Well, just about
anything, you bogan fuckwit.

[Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF]

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Post by Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

Post by Donna Evleth
You Ozzies are wonderful.

Fuck off, you stupid dyke. You don't know that first thing about Australians.

She knows more about Australians than you know about ... Well, just about
anything, you bogan fuckwit.

Is that a fact, fuckwit?
--
http://youtu.be/_ipvdBnU8F8
- KRudd at his finest.

"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.

"This is the recession we had to have!"
- Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.

"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.

"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
- Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.

"A billion trees ..."
- Borke, pissed as a newt again.

"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
general!"
- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
appointee for Governor General John Kerr.

"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
- FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.

"I don't care what you fuckers think!"
- KRudd the KRude Rat at his finest again.

"We'll just change it all when we get in."
- Garrett the carrott

[John Rennie]

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Post by Donna Evleth
You Ozzies are wonderful.

Fuck off, you stupid dyke. You don't know that first thing about Australians.

She knows more about Australians than you know about ... Well, just about
anything, you bogan fuckwit.

Not really a good idea to repost his insult, Jon.
Most have this cunt killfiled.

[oz]

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided

along

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religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half

-

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45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy.

     Both the UK and Ireland have official religions.
     Why?

Post by cornholio
 Muslimes OTOH....

     They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?- Hide quoted text -
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So we'll all listen to you and close down all religions.

[Mitchell Holman]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided

along

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religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority
would also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half

-

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45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy.

     Both the UK and Ireland have official religions.
     Why?

Post by cornholio
 Muslimes OTOH....

     They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?- Hide
quoted

text -

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Cool. When do we start?


“A delusion held by one person is a mental illness,
held by a few is a cult, held by many is a religion.” -
- Robert Todd Carroll, American author

[John Rennie]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided

along

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religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority
would also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half

-

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45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy.

Both the UK and Ireland have official religions.
Why?

Post by cornholio
Muslimes OTOH....

They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?- Hide
quoted

text -

- Show quoted text -

So we'll all listen to you and close down all religions.

Cool. When do we start?
“A delusion held by one person is a mental illness,
held by a few is a cult, held by many is a religion.” -
- Robert Todd Carroll, American author

That's neat, Mitch. I've bookmarked it.

[Mitchell Holman]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided

along

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religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority
would also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half

-

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Post by PJODonovan
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy.

Both the UK and Ireland have official religions.
Why?

Post by cornholio
Muslimes OTOH....

They are going thru the stages Christianity did
centuries ago. Shias killing Sunnis, Catholics killing
Protestants, everyone killing the Jews - haven't we
learned anything from history about the danger of religion?- Hide
quoted

text -

- Show quoted text -

So we'll all listen to you and close down all religions.

Cool. When do we start?
“A delusion held by one person is a mental illness,
held by a few is a cult, held by many is a religion.” -
- Robert Todd Carroll, American author

That's neat, Mitch. I've bookmarked it.

Spread it around, it's a keeper........;)

[liberal]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

[cornholio]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

[liberal]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

Don't know, didn't live there. But I recall the news when Ireland
ended the RC church's ionfluence over government policies (and
Ireland's sudden economic growth). I believe this was when Ireland
joined the EU.

[oz]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

Don't know, didn't live there. But I recall the news when Ireland
ended the RC church's ionfluence over government policies (and
Ireland's sudden economic growth). I believe this was when Ireland
joined the EU.- Hide quoted text -
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Isn't funny how civilization progressed when that nasty RC Church had
such influence. Seclarists and pointy headed professors hav no limits
to their BS.

[Mitchell Holman]

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 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divide

d along

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also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.
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benefits to the country and that religious diversity has
had a negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

Don't know, didn't live there. But I recall the news when Ireland
ended the RC church's ionfluence over government policies (and
Ireland's sudden economic growth). I believe this was when Ireland
joined the EU.- Hide quoted text -
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Isn't funny how civilization progressed when that nasty RC Church had
such influence.

Isn't that the period we call the Dark Ages?

[oz]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divide

d along

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religious lines, according to an official survey. A
majority wo

uld

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also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.
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benefits to the country and that religious diversity has
had a negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

Don't know, didn't live there. But I recall the news when Ireland
ended the RC church's ionfluence over government policies (and
Ireland's sudden economic growth). I believe this was when Ireland
joined the EU.- Hide quoted text -
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Try renaissance.

[unknown]

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Isn't funny how civilization progressed when that nasty RC Church had
such influence.  

     Isn't that the period we call the Dark Ages?

Try renaissance.

You can thank Islam for that.

http://www.twf.org/Library/Renaissance.html

[oz]

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Isn't funny how civilization progressed when that nasty RC Church had
such influence.  

     Isn't that the period we call the Dark Ages?

Try renaissance.

You can thank Islam for that.
http://www.twf.org/Library/Renaissance.html

I seem to notice that it is the Muslims that have such advanced
countries and that the nations with predominate numbers of Chrisians
are the ones so backward. Sure.

[unknown]

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Isn't funny how civilization progressed when that nasty RC Church had
such influence.  

     Isn't that the period we call the Dark Ages?

Try renaissance.

You can thank Islam for that.
http://www.twf.org/Library/Renaissance.html

I seem to notice that it is the Muslims that have such advanced
countries and that the nations with predominate numbers of Chrisians
are the ones so backward. Sure.

Bush is a born-again Christian who gets off on torture and mass murder.

If you can't acknowledge how backward that is, you're not noticing much.

[Seon Ferguson]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

[Mitchell Holman]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority
would also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in
their neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.
Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brought benefits to the country and that religious diversity
has had a negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

Why should anyone suffer for offending any religion,
much less an "official" one?

[Harry Heidelberg]

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:36:25 -0600 in aus.politics, Mitchell Holman

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority
would also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in
their neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.
Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brought benefits to the country and that religious diversity
has had a negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

Why should anyone suffer for offending any religion,
much less an "official" one?

If they do it in order to encourge things that are against the law.
Such laws as assault, slander, public order, riot etc.
In which case the "incitement" provisions of those laws comes into play.

IOW there is no need for the new laws, just action under the old ones.

Harry
"It is in the shelter of each other that people live."
Irish Proverb

[cornholio]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.

Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

[John Rennie]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.

[Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.

Yet they still have them. No sign of women getting stoned. Yet.
--

- KRudd at his finest.

"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.

"This is the recession we had to have!"
- Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.

"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.

"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
- Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.

"A billion trees ..."
- Borke, pissed as a newt again.

"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
general!"
- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
appointee for Governor General John Kerr.

"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
- FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.

"I don't care what you fuckers think!"
- KRudd the KRude Rat at his finest again.

"We'll just change it all when we get in."
- Garrett the carrott

[oz]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
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You mean outright murder is legally prohbited? Gads, there is no
limit to these people. How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

[John Rennie]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited? Gads, there is no
limit to these people. How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys. Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power. Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

[cornholio]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is no
limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

In the USA, millions of dollars were paid out to the victims of
such crimes by the Catholic Church and the priests involved were
cashiered and charged with pedophilia. The Catholic Church has,
in effect, come clean about its pedophilia problem. They've also
renounced their antisemitism. Isn't it about time the pislamic faith
own up to its manifold faults?

[Harry Merrick]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A
majority would also strongly oppose the development of a
mosque in their neighbourhood, the research into social
attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brought benefits to the country and that religious
diversity has had a negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy
laws are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited? Gads, there is no
limit to these people. How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys. Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power. Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

In the USA, millions of dollars were paid out to the victims of
such crimes by the Catholic Church and the priests involved were
cashiered and charged with pedophilia. The Catholic Church has,
in effect, come clean about its pedophilia problem. They've also
renounced their antisemitism. Isn't it about time the pislamic faith
own up to its manifold faults?

LOL!! And you "really" think they will?? - Far be it for me to imply that
you are naieve, but!!

[Mitchell Holman]

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 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divide

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uld

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also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.
Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brough

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benefits to the country and that religious diversity has
had a negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years
ago

.

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Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy
laws are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in
Ireland. Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able
to find such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your
fingers are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is no
limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

In the USA, millions of dollars were paid out to the victims of
such crimes by the Catholic Church and the priests involved were
cashiered and charged with pedophilia. The Catholic Church has,
in effect, come clean about its pedophilia problem.

And yet the "pedophilia problem" shows no sign of going away.

From just last week:



Friday, Jan. 08, 2010

Priest arrested in Brunswick County, charged with sexual offenses

Authorities with the Brunswick County Sheriff's Office have
arrested a 47-year-old priest for sexual offenses, said Marty
Folding, public affairs officer with the department. Father
Edgar Sepulveda was charged with one count of second degree
sexual offense and one count of sexual battery. The victim is
a juvenile male, Folding said.
http://www.thesunnews.com/135/story/1251883.html?storylink=omni_popular






Friday, January 8, 2010

Priest accused of abusing STC child

ST. CHARLES – A Joliet priest that appeared to attempt suicide
by jumping off a church balcony is accused of sexually abusing
a St. Charles child.

The Rev. Alejandro Flores, 37, on Wednesday, jumped off the
20-foot choir balcony St. Mary’s Carmelite Church in Joliet,
which is no longer in use, police said.

Two days earlier, St. Charles police received reports that
Flores sexually abused a St. Charles child and referred the
information to the Kane County State’s Attorney’s Office,
according to St. Charles police spokesman Paul McCurtain.
http://www.kcchronicle.com/articles/2010/01/08/22350732/index.xml






Priest gets conditional discharge in Mamaroneck fondling incident
JANUARY 12, 2010

WHITE PLAINS — The Rev. Richard Ordonez offered no apology in
court today as he was given a conditional discharge for fondling
a female parishioner at a Mamaroneck church. The 38-year-old
Ecuadorean cleric was sentenced in Westchester County Court two
months after pleading guilty to forcible touching, a misdemeanor.

http://www.lohud.com/article/20100112/NEWS02/1120391/-1/newsfront/Priest-
gets-conditional-discharge-in-Mamaroneck-fondling-incident

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divide

d

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along
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majority wo

uld

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also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.
Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brough

t

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benefits to the country and that religious diversity has
had a negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years
ago

.

Post by John Rennie

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Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy
laws are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in
Ireland. Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able
to find such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your
fingers are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is no
limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

In the USA, millions of dollars were paid out to the victims of
such crimes by the Catholic Church and the priests involved were
cashiered and charged with pedophilia. The Catholic Church has,
in effect, come clean about its pedophilia problem.

    And yet the "pedophilia problem" shows no sign of going away.
Friday, Jan. 08, 2010
Priest arrested in Brunswick County, charged with sexual offenses
Authorities with the Brunswick County Sheriff's Office have
arrested a 47-year-old priest for sexual offenses, said Marty
Folding, public affairs officer with the department. Father
Edgar Sepulveda was charged with one count of second degree
sexual offense and one count of sexual battery. The victim is
a juvenile male, Folding said.http://www.thesunnews.com/135/story/1251883.html?storylink=omni_popular
Friday, January 8, 2010
Priest accused of abusing STC child
ST. CHARLES – A Joliet priest that appeared to attempt suicide
by jumping off a church balcony is accused of sexually abusing
a St. Charles child.
The Rev. Alejandro Flores, 37, on Wednesday, jumped off the
20-foot choir balcony St. Mary’s Carmelite Church in Joliet,
which is no longer in use, police said.
Two days earlier, St. Charles police received reports that
Flores sexually abused a St. Charles child and referred the
information to the Kane County State’s Attorney’s Office,
according to St. Charles police spokesman Paul McCurtain.http://www.kcchronicle.com/articles/2010/01/08/22350732/index.xml
Priest gets conditional discharge in Mamaroneck fondling incident
JANUARY 12, 2010
WHITE PLAINS — The Rev. Richard Ordonez offered no apology in
court today as he was given a conditional discharge for fondling
a female parishioner at a Mamaroneck church. The 38-year-old
Ecuadorean cleric was sentenced in Westchester County Court two
months after pleading guilty to forcible touching, a misdemeanor.
http://www.lohud.com/article/20100112/NEWS02/1120391/-1/newsfront/Pri...
gets-conditional-discharge-in-Mamaroneck-fondling-incident

Yes they're being charged and prosecuted. Whereas in islamonazi
shitholes
no one is prosecuted for marrying ten year old girls against their
will.

[Mitchell Holman]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divide

d

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along
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majority wo

uld

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also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in
their neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes
found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brough

t

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benefits to the country and that religious diversity has
had a negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling
for Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes
OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty
years ago

.

Post by John Rennie

Post by John Rennie

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Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy
laws are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in
Ireland. Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be
able to find such proof? How about $50? Put your money where
your fingers are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is
no limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have
such thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

In the USA, millions of dollars were paid out to the victims of
such crimes by the Catholic Church and the priests involved were
cashiered and charged with pedophilia. The Catholic Church has,
in effect, come clean about its pedophilia problem.

    And yet the "pedophilia problem" shows no sign of going away.
Friday, Jan. 08, 2010
Priest arrested in Brunswick County, charged with sexual offenses
Authorities with the Brunswick County Sheriff's Office have
arrested a 47-year-old priest for sexual offenses, said Marty
Folding, public affairs officer with the department. Father
Edgar Sepulveda was charged with one count of second degree
sexual offense and one count of sexual battery. The victim is
a juvenile male, Folding
said.http://www.thesunnews.com/135/story/1251883

.html?storylink=omni_popular

Friday, January 8, 2010
Priest accused of abusing STC child
ST. CHARLES – A Joliet priest that appeared to attempt suicide
by jumping off a church balcony is accused of sexually abusing
a St. Charles child.
The Rev. Alejandro Flores, 37, on Wednesday, jumped off the
20-foot choir balcony St. Mary’s Carmelite Church in Joliet,
which is no longer in use, police said.
Two days earlier, St. Charles police received reports that
Flores sexually abused a St. Charles child and referred the
information to the Kane County State’s Attorney’s Office,
according to St. Charles police spokesman Paul
McCurtain.http://www.kcchr

onicle.com/articles/2010/01/08/22350732/index.xml

Priest gets conditional discharge in Mamaroneck fondling incident
JANUARY 12, 2010
WHITE PLAINS — The Rev. Richard Ordonez offered no apology in
court today as he was given a conditional discharge for fondling
a female parishioner at a Mamaroneck church. The 38-year-old
Ecuadorean cleric was sentenced in Westchester County Court two
months after pleading guilty to forcible touching, a misdemeanor.
http://www.lohud.com/article/20100112/NEWS02/1120391/-1/newsfront/Pri.
.. gets-conditional-discharge-in-Mamaroneck-fondling-incident

Yes they're being charged and prosecuted. Whereas in islamonazi
shitholes
no one is prosecuted for marrying ten year old girls against their
will.

How many Imams have been arrested for diddling
children in their care? Your selective indignation
is hardly a secret at this point.

[oz]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
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"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply
divide

d

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uld

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also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.
Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brough

t

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benefits to the country and that religious diversity has
had a negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years
ago

.

Post by John Rennie

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Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy
laws are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in
Ireland. Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able
to find such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your
fingers are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is no
limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

In the USA, millions of dollars were paid out to the victims of
such crimes by the Catholic Church and the priests involved were
cashiered and charged with pedophilia. The Catholic Church has,
in effect, come clean about its pedophilia problem.

    And yet the "pedophilia problem" shows no sign of going away.
Friday, Jan. 08, 2010
Priest arrested in Brunswick County, charged with sexual offenses
Authorities with the Brunswick County Sheriff's Office have
arrested a 47-year-old priest for sexual offenses, said Marty
Folding, public affairs officer with the department. Father
Edgar Sepulveda was charged with one count of second degree
sexual offense and one count of sexual battery. The victim is
a juvenile male, Folding said.http://www.thesunnews.com/135/story/1251883.html?storylink=omni_popular
Friday, January 8, 2010
Priest accused of abusing STC child
ST. CHARLES – A Joliet priest that appeared to attempt suicide
by jumping off a church balcony is accused of sexually abusing
a St. Charles child.
The Rev. Alejandro Flores, 37, on Wednesday, jumped off the
20-foot choir balcony St. Mary’s Carmelite Church in Joliet,
which is no longer in use, police said.
Two days earlier, St. Charles police received reports that
Flores sexually abused a St. Charles child and referred the
information to the Kane County State’s Attorney’s Office,
according to St. Charles police spokesman Paul McCurtain.http://www.kcchronicle.com/articles/2010/01/08/22350732/index.xml
Priest gets conditional discharge in Mamaroneck fondling incident
JANUARY 12, 2010
WHITE PLAINS — The Rev. Richard Ordonez offered no apology in
court today as he was given a conditional discharge for fondling
a female parishioner at a Mamaroneck church. The 38-year-old
Ecuadorean cleric was sentenced in Westchester County Court two
months after pleading guilty to forcible touching, a misdemeanor.
http://www.lohud.com/article/20100112/NEWS02/1120391/-1/newsfront/Pri...
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With hundreds of thousands of priests, this is so difficult to
believe? Where, besides the graveyards, are you going to find no such
problems? And don't tell me the US Congress or the American Bar Assoc.

[oz]

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Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided
along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost
half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
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You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is no
limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

In the USA, millions of dollars were paid out to the victims of
such crimes by the Catholic Church and the priests involved were
cashiered and charged with pedophilia. The Catholic Church has,
in effect, come clean about its pedophilia problem. They've also
renounced their antisemitism. Isn't it about time the pislamic faith
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Many people cashed in on that Catholic cornucopia of money. There are
some priests who linger in prison because of false charges brought
against them, with the liars willing to see them jailed so they have
their crack at the Catholic funded lottery. Meanwhile, there are
morons that won't discuss how Islamic imams and mullahs are telling
their congregates to go and murder nonbelievers. Does America stand a
chance? Not with spineless nonthinkers it hasn't.

[asdf]

oz wrote:
[snip]

Post by oz
Many people cashed in on that Catholic cornucopia of money. There are
some priests who linger in prison because of false charges brought
against them, with the liars willing to see them jailed so they have
their crack at the Catholic funded lottery. Meanwhile, there are
morons that won't discuss how Islamic imams and mullahs are telling
their congregates to go and murder nonbelievers. Does America stand a
chance? Not with spineless nonthinkers it hasn't.

Spineless nonthinkers, eh?

I'll tell you what's spineless non-thinking...

Thinking that *all* muslims agree with what a tiny minority of immams and
mullahs are teling their congregates to do.

It's very easy just to paint everyone with the same brush, isn't it?

Heads up...

It doesn't matter what any organised religion says... theirs OR ours... it's
individual actions that count. There are lots of good muslims, and a few bad
ones, just as there are lots of good christians and a few bad ones.

It's very interesting that you have little faith in western justice. Isn't
that the (one of the) beef(s) that the islamic world has with the west?

I think you've oversimplified things somewhat.

[Donna Evleth]

alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:43 +0000
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by oz

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by liberal

Post by cornholio

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited? Gads, there is no
limit to these people. How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys. Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power. Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

There were some priests that also had a fondness for little girls, but that
is mentioned far less frequently. It would be interesting to know why.

Donna Evleth

[Harry Heidelberg]

Post by Donna Evleth

alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:43 +0000
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by oz

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by liberal

Post by cornholio

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited? Gads, there is no
limit to these people. How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys. Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power. Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

There were some priests that also had a fondness for little girls, but that
is mentioned far less frequently. It would be interesting to know why.

Added to which many of them are not so "sexist" about it.
Little boys, little girls ... suffer the children.

Post by Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth

Harry
"It is in the shelter of each other that people live."
Irish Proverb

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by Donna Evleth

alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:43 +0000
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by oz

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by liberal

Post by cornholio

news:ed435d71-2316-4581-b1ae-

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited? Gads, there is no
limit to these people. How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys. Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power. Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

There were some priests that also had a fondness for little girls, but that
is mentioned far less frequently. It would be interesting to know why.

It's quite simple. In the mind of the gay bashers when a gay priest molests
a little boy that shows that all gay people are child molesters. When a
straight priests molests a little girl, well he is just perverted and not
all straight people want to molest little girls.

Post by Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth

[oz]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by Donna Evleth

alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:43 +0000
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio

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Post by cornholio

Post by liberal

Post by cornholio

news:ed435d71-2316-4581-b1ae-

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided
along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost
half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is no
limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

There were some priests that also had a fondness for little girls, but that
is mentioned far less frequently.  It would be interesting to know why.

It's quite simple. In the mind of the gay bashers when a gay priest molests
a little boy that shows that all gay people are child molesters. When a
straight priests molests a little girl, well he is just perverted and not
all straight people want to molest little girls.

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It's funny how we never hear about the crimes committed by gay rabbies
and imams. Makes yuh wonder..................

[oz]

Post by Donna Evleth

alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:43 +0000
Subject: Re: Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by liberal

Post by cornholio

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided
along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost
half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is no
limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.

There were some priests that also had a fondness for little girls, but that
is mentioned far less frequently.  It would be interesting to know why.
Donna Evleth- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Amd there are somepeople willing to perjure themselvs by making false
accusations against certain priests in order to cash in on those
lucrative lawsuits, and little is mentioned about that. It would be
most interesting to find out why. The same writers hardly ever talk
about Islamic clergymen promoting violence. Might it because they're
afraid of possible physical repercussions......like getting killed by
some Muslims? Van Gogh's nephew comes to mind......

[oz]

Post by John Rennie

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by liberal

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited?  Gads, there is no
limit to these people.  How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys.  Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power.  Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The church seems to be getting over its problems; maybe it's time you
got over yours. A small percentage of priests ashamedly abused little
boys, and you and your fellow cretins want to kill them, along with
their baby sisters.

[asdf]

oz wrote:
[snip]

Post by oz

Post by John Rennie
Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys. Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power. Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The church seems to be getting over its problems; maybe it's time you
got over yours. A small percentage of priests ashamedly abused little
boys, and you and your fellow cretins want to kill them, along with
their baby sisters.

Au contraire...

I think we've just seen the tip of the iceberg.

[John Rennie]

Post by oz

Post by John Rennie

Post by oz

Post by John Rennie

Post by cornholio

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by cornholio

Post by liberal

Post by cornholio

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?

LOL, I'd like to see proof that heresy, blasphemy and apostasy laws
are enforced now (i.e. in the 21st century, 2010) in Ireland.
Do you want to lay a little wager that you won't be able to find
such proof? How about $50? Put your money where your fingers
are and grow a pair.

Much more important is the fact that abortion is prohibited by
law.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You mean outright murder is legally prohbited? Gads, there is no
limit to these people. How dare they have the nerve to have such
thoughts!!

Whether you agree with abortion or not is not the point. It is
banned because of religious pressure from the Catholic Church.
That church has severely lost much of its moral power in the last
few years because of the very many priests who had a fondness
for little boys. Soon the the abortion restriction will be over-
turned because of that loss of power. Again that has nothing to
do with whether you or I are for or against abortion.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The church seems to be getting over its problems; maybe it's time you
got over yours. A small percentage of priests ashamedly abused little
boys, and you and your fellow cretins want to kill them, along with
their baby sisters.

You seem to be responding to another. Nothing in your comment refers
to mine.

[oz]

Post by cornholio

Post by liberal

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.

Did it feature enforced blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws?

It does now. But it's ok because it isn't Islam, right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You're really trying tom compare Islam to Catholicism? You're
serious......

[oz]

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....

Ireland *WAS* pretty much a theocracy until about twenty years ago.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oh puhleeeze!!

[oz]

Post by cornholio

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

I don't notice many Catholics of any persuasion calling for
Ireland or the UK to be run as a theocracy. Muslimes OTOH....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You're right. Some people draw parallels when lines are at 90 degrees
away from each other.

[oz]

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

    How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

You don't see a difference between sects of Christianity fighting and
the differences between Christianity and Islam. The Catholic faith in
England is rather strong. Even the ex-prime minister converted to
Catholicism.

[John Rennie]

Post by oz

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority would
also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost half -
45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought
benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a
negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

You don't see a difference between sects of Christianity fighting and
the differences between Christianity and Islam. The Catholic faith in
England is rather strong. Even the ex-prime minister converted to
Catholicism.

That had nothing to do with the strength of Catholicism in the UK and
everything to do with a bad conscience. The CE don't do confessions.

[Harry Merrick]

Post by John Rennie

Post by oz

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided
along religious lines, according to an official survey. A majority
would also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their
neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found. Almost
half - 45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has
brought benefits to the country and that religious diversity has
had a negative impact...."

How many of those complaints about religion
"dividing" them come from the British in N. Ireland?

You don't see a difference between sects of Christianity fighting and
the differences between Christianity and Islam. The Catholic faith
in England is rather strong. Even the ex-prime minister converted to
Catholicism.

That had nothing to do with the strength of Catholicism in the UK and
everything to do with a bad conscience. The CE don't do confessions.

Yes, they do, if you ask them to!

[DM]

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey.

Britain has been divided along religious lines for quite a while.
Centuries in fact. I suggest you read a bit of history before
trumpeting this fact as news.

DM

[cornholio]

Post by DM

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey.

Britain has been divided along religious lines for quite a while.
Centuries in fact. I suggest you read a bit of history before
trumpeting this fact as news.
DM

Huh? I don't think there's been any killing/persecution along COE --
Catholic --
Protestant lines in well over 200 years.

[John Rennie]

Post by cornholio

Post by DM

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey.

Britain has been divided along religious lines for quite a while.
Centuries in fact. I suggest you read a bit of history before
trumpeting this fact as news.
DM

Huh? I don't think there's been any killing/persecution along COE --
Catholic --
Protestant lines in well over 200 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2009/06/18/history_sectarian_1909_feature.shtml

[cornholio]

Post by cornholio

Post by DM

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey.

Britain has been divided along religious lines for quite a while.
Centuries in fact. I suggest you read a bit of history before
trumpeting this fact as news.
DM

Huh? I don't think there's been any killing/persecution along COE --
Catholic --
Protestant lines in well over 200 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2009/06/18/history_se...

OK, I stand corrected. It's only been a hundred years. But no one was
killed unlike the 2.5 million Armenian and Assyrian Christians
slaughtered
by muslime Turks at about the same time. Of course a few Christian
Armenians
weren't slaughtered but enslaved.

[DM]

Post by cornholio

Post by DM

Post by PJODonovan
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons
Daily Mail [UK], by Steve Doughty
 1/11/2010 7:45:55 AM
"More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along
religious lines, according to an official survey.

Britain has been divided along religious lines for quite a while.
Centuries in fact. I suggest you read a bit of history before
trumpeting this fact as news.
DM

Huh? I don't think there's been any killing/persecution along COE --
Catholic --
Protestant lines in well over 200 years.

Three letters you should type into Google: IRA.

DM