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Lib/Lab forever? WAS: Australians told to blah...
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Ördög
2024-09-04 22:22:49 UTC
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Daniel70
Rod Speed
/snip/
And it remains to be seen what they think of Albo's govt now giving
the cost of living 'crisis', the housing 'crisis' the fact that the
economy is doing worse than it has done since the 1990 recession
etc.
Yeap. At the next election it might not be a case of working out who we
want as Government but, rather, who we DON'T want as Government!
I think that has been the case for a very long time, and not only in OZ.

People quickly realise how relatively good policy promises can turn into
non-core ones as political pragmatism takes precedence over good
intentions and ideological considerations. And that is not surprising
given how the population is divided into basically two camps with a very
tiny margin of difference in numbers. That is why if governments want to
stay in power they can't do anything too radical because that would lead
to defeat at the follow up election. It looks like unless this deadlock
can be broken we are just going in circles in successive election cycles
and much needed progress ain't happening. This clearly shows the
downsides of this entrenched system of two major rivalling political
blocks fighting for running the government. The only hope I see for now
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing well in
Australia.
--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil
Peter Jason
2024-09-05 00:13:46 UTC
Permalink
This clearly shows the
Post by Ördög
downsides of this entrenched system of two major rivalling political
blocks fighting for running the government. The only hope I see for now
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing well in
Australia.
Populism has destroyed democracy. Giving the sheeple what they want
is not always what they need.

The good old monarchies had something going for them in that they were
the ruling class, bred over the ages to be better rulers.

Then came the communists and similar swill, who let idealism run
rampant. And Keynes and his disciple Greenspan, whos reckless low
interest rates have given us the speculative property "boom" resulting
in $trillions sitting in housing wasting assets.
And the sheeple wonder why everythings's expensive!

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1317057.shtml
Who's gonna pay...?

Après moi le déluge!
Rod Speed
2024-09-05 03:16:53 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
This clearly shows the
downsides of this entrenched system of two major rivalling political
blocks fighting for running the government. The only hope I see for n=
ow
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing well in=
Australia.
Populism has destroyed democracy.
Democracy is nothing even remotely like destroyed
Post by Peter Jason
Giving the sheeple what they want
is not always what they need.
Have fun coming up with a better alternative
Post by Peter Jason
The good old monarchies had something going for them in that they were=
the ruling class, bred over the ages to be better rulers.
Bullshit. Have fun listing even one better ruler.
Post by Peter Jason
Then came the communists
Then came democracy LONG before that.
Post by Peter Jason
and similar swill,
None of those ever managed anything.
Post by Peter Jason
who let idealism run rampant.
That never happened anywhere.
Post by Peter Jason
And Keynes and his disciple Greenspan, whos reckless low
interest rates have given us the speculative property "boom"
Keynes never produced any property boom
except in the sense of his policys getting us
out of the great depression.
Post by Peter Jason
resulting in $trillions sitting in housing wasting assets.
Works a hell of a lot better than govt housing.
Post by Peter Jason
And the sheeple wonder why everythings's expensive!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1317057.shtml
Who's gonna pay...?
Apr=E8s moi le d=E9luge!
Fuck off wog boy
Peter Jason
2024-09-05 05:40:08 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 05 Sep 2024 13:16:53 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
This clearly shows the
downsides of this entrenched system of two major rivalling political
blocks fighting for running the government. The only hope I see for now
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing well in
Australia.
Populism has destroyed democracy.
Democracy is nothing even remotely like destroyed
...er OK, populism has displaced democracy.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Giving the sheeple what they want
is not always what they need.
Have fun coming up with a better alternative
1/ Luxury taxes?
2/ Tariffs?
3/ Raise the GST to international levels.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
The good old monarchies had something going for them in that they were
the ruling class, bred over the ages to be better rulers.
Bullshit. Have fun listing even one better ruler.
Well, the blood-soaked 20th century had a good try, but....
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Then came the communists
Then came democracy LONG before that.
Post by Peter Jason
and similar swill,
None of those ever managed anything.
Post by Peter Jason
who let idealism run rampant.
That never happened anywhere.
Stalin? Robespierre? Danton?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And Keynes and his disciple Greenspan, whos reckless low
interest rates have given us the speculative property "boom"
Keynes never produced any property boom
except in the sense of his policys getting us
out of the great depression.
It's arguable WWII did that, but when Keynes and FDR did their little
belly-rub in the 1930s, they forgot the Sunset Clause, and so every
politician since has used largess to win elections.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
resulting in $trillions sitting in housing wasting assets.
Works a hell of a lot better than govt housing.
Why, do the roofs leak?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And the sheeple wonder why everythings's expensive!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1317057.shtml
Who's gonna pay...?
Après moi le déluge!
Fuck off wog boy
I've already fucked off. But like Nanny McPhee and Arnie I'm BACK!
Rod Speed
2024-09-05 09:08:56 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
This clearly shows the
downsides of this entrenched system of two major rivalling politica=
l
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
blocks fighting for running the government. The only hope I see for=
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
now
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing well =
in
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
Australia.
Populism has destroyed democracy.
Democracy is nothing even remotely like destroyed
...er OK, populism has displaced democracy.
Bullshit, democracy has always involved populism
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Giving the sheeple what they want
is not always what they need.
Have fun coming up with a better alternative
1/ Luxury taxes?
2/ Tariffs?
3/ Raise the GST to international levels.
That's not an alternative to democracy, stupid.

Western europe tried luxury taxes and it doesnt work,
essentially because the rich can go anywhere they like

Tariffs just prop up useless parasites like the local
american car industrys and useless parasites like you

No point in increasing taxes to give fuckwit
pollys more money to piss against the wall.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
The good old monarchies had something going for them in that they we=
re
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
the ruling class, bred over the ages to be better rulers.
Bullshit. Have fun listing even one better ruler.
Well, the blood-soaked 20th century had a good try, but....
WW1 was those useless parasties trying to rip each
others throats out using the lives of their 'subjects'

And that's true in spades of the countless wars before that.

Now western europe has come to its
senses and doesnt do that anymore
essentially because the fuckwit royal
parasites have mostly been given the
bums rush or have been killed or have
been made completely irrelevant politically.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Then came the communists
Then came democracy LONG before that.
Post by Peter Jason
and similar swill,
None of those ever managed anything.
Post by Peter Jason
who let idealism run rampant.
That never happened anywhere.
Stalin? Robespierre? Danton?
None of those had anything to do with idealism.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And Keynes and his disciple Greenspan, whos reckless low
interest rates have given us the speculative property "boom"
Keynes never produced any property boom
except in the sense of his policys getting us
out of the great depression.
It's arguable WWII did that,
Bullshit. The US economy had recovered to
better than pre 1029 GDP levels well before WW2
due to the use of Keynesian deficit spending.

So did Germany, tho Adolf never called it that, but
that's how he did that, just like FDR did in the USA.
Post by Peter Jason
but when Keynes and FDR did their little
belly-rub in the 1930s, they forgot the Sunset Clause, and so every
politician since has used largess to win elections.
That's pig ignorant bullshit with Ike post WW2
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
resulting in $trillions sitting in housing wasting assets.
Works a hell of a lot better than govt housing.
Why, do the roofs leak?
They don't
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And the sheeple wonder why everythings's expensive!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1317057.shtml
Who's gonna pay...?
Apr=E8s moi le d=E9luge!
Fuck off wog boy
I've already fucked off.
OK, off to jail for you.
Post by Peter Jason
But like Nanny McPhee and Arnie I'm BACK!
Bullshit.
Peter Jason
2024-09-06 01:06:56 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 05 Sep 2024 19:08:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
This clearly shows the
downsides of this entrenched system of two major rivalling political
blocks fighting for running the government. The only hope I see for now
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing well in
Australia.
Populism has destroyed democracy.
Democracy is nothing even remotely like destroyed
...er OK, populism has displaced democracy.
Bullshit, democracy has always involved populism
But never to this degree. How can it get any worse?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Giving the sheeple what they want
is not always what they need.
Have fun coming up with a better alternative
1/ Luxury taxes?
2/ Tariffs?
3/ Raise the GST to international levels.
That's not an alternative to democracy, stupid.
of course not. It would help the sheeple save more. In particular,
increase the departure taxes at airports ($2000/head) to encourage
spending in Oz.
Post by Rod Speed
Western europe tried luxury taxes and it doesnt work,
essentially because the rich can go anywhere they like
The rich are too few. I mean the reckless spending on useless items.
Post by Rod Speed
Tariffs just prop up useless parasites like the local
american car industrys and useless parasites like you
Tariffs have always been around, even in antiquity, mainly as a
startup help for locals. Remember the gilded age in America.
Post by Rod Speed
No point in increasing taxes to give fuckwit
pollys more money to piss against the wall.
It's the sheeple, not the pollys.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
The good old monarchies had something going for them in that they were
the ruling class, bred over the ages to be better rulers.
Bullshit. Have fun listing even one better ruler.
Well, the blood-soaked 20th century had a good try, but....
WW1 was those useless parasties trying to rip each
others throats out using the lives of their 'subjects'
They didn't have the time to evolve into Parliamentry democracy...
Post by Rod Speed
And that's true in spades of the countless wars before that.
Now western europe has come to its
senses and doesnt do that anymore
essentially because the fuckwit royal
parasites have mostly been given the
bums rush or have been killed or have
been made completely irrelevant politically.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Then came the communists
Then came democracy LONG before that.
Post by Peter Jason
and similar swill,
None of those ever managed anything.
Post by Peter Jason
who let idealism run rampant.
That never happened anywhere.
Stalin? Robespierre? Danton?
None of those had anything to do with idealism.
Wot..? Do know this lot?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And Keynes and his disciple Greenspan, whos reckless low
interest rates have given us the speculative property "boom"
Keynes never produced any property boom
except in the sense of his policys getting us
out of the great depression.
It's arguable WWII did that,
Bullshit. The US economy had recovered to
better than pre 1029 GDP levels well before WW2
due to the use of Keynesian deficit spending.
It is bullshit free. Deficit spending? Wot's that? Borrowing and
not repaying? Now we know why the USA owes $trillions!
Post by Rod Speed
So did Germany, tho Adolf never called it that, but
that's how he did that, just like FDR did in the USA.
At least Adolf-the-wise was going to repay by looting France, Eastern
Europe and Russia.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
but when Keynes and FDR did their little
belly-rub in the 1930s, they forgot the Sunset Clause, and so every
politician since has used largess to win elections.
That's pig ignorant bullshit with Ike post WW2
It isn't bullshit at all. It's all in the history books!
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
resulting in $trillions sitting in housing wasting assets.
Works a hell of a lot better than govt housing.
Why, do the roofs leak?
They don't
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And the sheeple wonder why everythings's expensive!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1317057.shtml
Who's gonna pay...?
Après moi le déluge!
Fuck off wog boy
I've already fucked off.
OK, off to jail for you.
Post by Peter Jason
But like Nanny McPhee and Arnie I'm BACK!
Bullshit.
Rod Speed
2024-09-06 03:43:18 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
This clearly shows the
downsides of this entrenched system of two major rivalling politi=
cal
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
blocks fighting for running the government. The only hope I see f=
or
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
now
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing wel=
l =
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
in
Australia.
Populism has destroyed democracy.
Democracy is nothing even remotely like destroyed
...er OK, populism has displaced democracy.
Bullshit, democracy has always involved populism
But never to this degree.
Bullshit, most obviously during the great depression.
Post by Peter Jason
How can it get any worse?
By the govt over ruling the reserve
bank and forcing interest rate cuts.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Giving the sheeple what they want
is not always what they need.
Have fun coming up with a better alternative
1/ Luxury taxes?
2/ Tariffs?
3/ Raise the GST to international levels.
That's not an alternative to democracy, stupid.
of course not. It would help the sheeple save more.
Bullshit with tariffs and increasing the GST
Post by Peter Jason
In particular,
increase the departure taxes at airports ($2000/head) to encourage
spending in Oz.
Wouldnt help anyone to save more either.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Western europe tried luxury taxes and it doesnt work,
essentially because the rich can go anywhere they like
The rich are too few. I mean the reckless spending on useless items.
You don't get to decide what are useless items.

And doing that is politically unsellable anyway.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Tariffs just prop up useless parasites like the local
american car industrys and useless parasites like you
Tariffs have always been around, even in antiquity,
Irrelevant to whether it makes any sense now.

Makes no sense to make imported stuff more expensive
given that the unemployment rate is already so low that
only the unemployable can't get a job.
Post by Peter Jason
mainly as a startup help for locals.
Makes no sense to be helping startups
to make what we import currently.
Post by Peter Jason
Remember the gilded age in America.
Nothing even remotely like the current situation.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
No point in increasing taxes to give fuckwit
pollys more money to piss against the wall.
It's the sheeple, not the pollys.
Increasing the GST gives more to
the pollys to piss against the wall.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
The good old monarchies had something going for them in that they =
=
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
were the ruling class, bred over the ages to be better rulers.
Bullshit. Have fun listing even one better ruler.
Well, the blood-soaked 20th century had a good try, but....
WW1 was those useless parasties trying to rip each
others throats out using the lives of their 'subjects'
They didn't have the time to evolve into Parliamentry democracy...
Bullshit with all except Russia.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
And that's true in spades of the countless wars before that.
Now western europe has come to its
senses and doesnt do that anymore
essentially because the fuckwit royal
parasites have mostly been given the
bums rush or have been killed or have
been made completely irrelevant politically.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Then came the communists
Then came democracy LONG before that.
Post by Peter Jason
and similar swill,
None of those ever managed anything.
Post by Peter Jason
who let idealism run rampant.
That never happened anywhere.
Stalin? Robespierre? Danton?
None of those had anything to do with idealism.
Wot..? Do know this lot?
Yep. Stalin was never about idealism.

Robespierre never had any real power.

Danton in spades.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And Keynes and his disciple Greenspan, whos reckless low
interest rates have given us the speculative property "boom"
Keynes never produced any property boom
except in the sense of his policys getting us
out of the great depression.
It's arguable WWII did that,
Bullshit. The US economy had recovered to
better than pre 1029 GDP levels well before WW2
due to the use of Keynesian deficit spending.
It is bullshit free.
Bullshit
Post by Peter Jason
Deficit spending? Wot's that?
Spending more than is being collected in taxes
Post by Peter Jason
Borrowing
Yep
Post by Peter Jason
and not repaying?
Nope, the national debt run up fixing the great
depression was repaid. In spades with the
borrowing which paid for WW2 in the USA
Post by Peter Jason
Now we know why the USA owes $trillions!
Didnt happen with the great depression and WW2 debt.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
So did Germany, tho Adolf never called it that, but
that's how he did that, just like FDR did in the USA.
At least Adolf-the-wise was going to repay bylooting France, Eastern =
=
Post by Peter Jason
Europe and Russia.
The USA didnt need to loot anyone and
in fact spent lots on the Marshall Plan that
ensured that we wouldnt see yet another
world war in the next generation.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
but when Keynes and FDR did their little
belly-rub in the 1930s, they forgot the Sunset Clause, and so every
politician since has used largess to win elections.
That's pig ignorant bullshit with Ike post WW2
It isn't bullshit at all. It's all in the history books!
Its complete and utter bullshit and no history books say
anything even remotely like that with Truman and Ike
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
resulting in $trillions sitting in housing wasting assets.
Works a hell of a lot better than govt housing.
Why, do the roofs leak?
They don't
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And the sheeple wonder why everythings's expensive!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1317057.shtml
Who's gonna pay...?
Apr=E8s moi le d=E9luge!
Fuck off wog boy
I've already fucked off.
OK, off to jail for you.
Post by Peter Jason
But like Nanny McPhee and Arnie I'm BACK!
Bullshit.
Peter Jason
2024-09-07 02:26:00 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 13:43:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Ördög
This clearly shows the
downsides of this entrenched system of two major rivalling political
blocks fighting for running the government. The only hope I see for now
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing well in
Australia.
Populism has destroyed democracy.
Democracy is nothing even remotely like destroyed
...er OK, populism has displaced democracy.
Bullshit, democracy has always involved populism
But never to this degree.
Bullshit, most obviously during the great depression.
Post by Peter Jason
How can it get any worse?
By the govt over ruling the reserve
bank and forcing interest rate cuts.
This is the sum of all fears.
It would further promote property prices and give the sheeple more
credit to play with! The problem is that expectations far exceed
abililities in almost all sections of the population. This has to be
converted into the acceptance of thrift as the goal.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Giving the sheeple what they want
is not always what they need.
Have fun coming up with a better alternative
1/ Luxury taxes?
2/ Tariffs?
3/ Raise the GST to international levels.
That's not an alternative to democracy, stupid.
of course not. It would help the sheeple save more.
Bullshit with tariffs and increasing the GST
Post by Peter Jason
In particular,
increase the departure taxes at airports ($2000/head) to encourage
spending in Oz.
Wouldnt help anyone to save more either.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Western europe tried luxury taxes and it doesnt work,
essentially because the rich can go anywhere they like
It might work now, though.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
The rich are too few. I mean the reckless spending on useless items.
You don't get to decide what are useless items.
TVs? This is the primary cause of unrealistic expectations.
Post by Rod Speed
And doing that is politically unsellable anyway.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Tariffs just prop up useless parasites like the local
american car industrys and useless parasites like you
Not always; and I'm a NICE boy!
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Tariffs have always been around, even in antiquity,
Irrelevant to whether it makes any sense now.
Makes no sense to make imported stuff more expensive
given that the unemployment rate is already so low that
only the unemployable can't get a job.
Post by Peter Jason
mainly as a startup help for locals.
Makes no sense to be helping startups
to make what we import currently.
No. Too late for that!
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Remember the gilded age in America.
Nothing even remotely like the current situation.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
No point in increasing taxes to give fuckwit
pollys more money to piss against the wall.
It's the sheeple, not the pollys.
Increasing the GST gives more to
the pollys to piss against the wall.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
The good old monarchies had something going for them in that they
were the ruling class, bred over the ages to be better rulers.
Bullshit. Have fun listing even one better ruler.
Well, the blood-soaked 20th century had a good try, but....
WW1 was those useless parasties trying to rip each
others throats out using the lives of their 'subjects'
They didn't have the time to evolve into Parliamentry democracy...
Bullshit with all except Russia.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
And that's true in spades of the countless wars before that.
Now western europe has come to its
senses and doesnt do that anymore
essentially because the fuckwit royal
parasites have mostly been given the
bums rush or have been killed or have
been made completely irrelevant politically.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Then came the communists
Then came democracy LONG before that.
Post by Peter Jason
and similar swill,
None of those ever managed anything.
Post by Peter Jason
who let idealism run rampant.
That never happened anywhere.
Stalin? Robespierre? Danton?
None of those had anything to do with idealism.
Wot..? Do know this lot?
Yep. Stalin was never about idealism.
Robespierre never had any real power.
Danton in spades.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And Keynes and his disciple Greenspan, whos reckless low
interest rates have given us the speculative property "boom"
Keynes never produced any property boom
except in the sense of his policys getting us
out of the great depression.
It's arguable WWII did that,
Bullshit. The US economy had recovered to
better than pre 1029 GDP levels well before WW2
due to the use of Keynesian deficit spending.
It is bullshit free.
Bullshit
Post by Peter Jason
Deficit spending? Wot's that?
Spending more than is being collected in taxes
Post by Peter Jason
Borrowing
Yep
Post by Peter Jason
and not repaying?
Nope, the national debt run up fixing the great
depression was repaid. In spades with the
borrowing which paid for WW2 in the USA
Post by Peter Jason
Now we know why the USA owes $trillions!
Didnt happen with the great depression and WW2 debt.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
So did Germany, tho Adolf never called it that, but
that's how he did that, just like FDR did in the USA.
At least Adolf-the-wise was going to repay bylooting France, Eastern
Europe and Russia.
The USA didnt need to loot anyone and
in fact spent lots on the Marshall Plan that
ensured that we wouldnt see yet another
world war in the next generation.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
but when Keynes and FDR did their little
belly-rub in the 1930s, they forgot the Sunset Clause, and so every
politician since has used largess to win elections.
That's pig ignorant bullshit with Ike post WW2
It isn't bullshit at all. It's all in the history books!
Its complete and utter bullshit and no history books say
anything even remotely like that with Truman and Ike
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
resulting in $trillions sitting in housing wasting assets.
Works a hell of a lot better than govt housing.
Why, do the roofs leak?
They don't
Post by Peter Jason
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
And the sheeple wonder why everythings's expensive!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1317057.shtml
Who's gonna pay...?
Après moi le déluge!
Fuck off wog boy
I've already fucked off.
OK, off to jail for you.
Post by Peter Jason
But like Nanny McPhee and Arnie I'm BACK!
Bullshit.
Sometimes I wonder about you, and it's not because you're wonderful.
Rod Speed
2024-09-07 05:17:13 UTC
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This clearly shows the
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for
now
is the rise of independents. Sadly third parties aren't doing w=
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in
Australia.
Populism has destroyed democracy.
Democracy is nothing even remotely like destroyed
...er OK, populism has displaced democracy.
Bullshit, democracy has always involved populism
But never to this degree.
Bullshit, most obviously during the great depression.
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How can it get any worse?
By the govt over ruling the reserve
bank and forcing interest rate cuts.
This is the sum of all fears.
More mindless bullshit.
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It would further promote property prices andgive the sheeple more =
credit to play with!
Still proves that populism can certainly get
MUCH worse and isnt likely to happen here.
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The problem is that expectations far exceed
abililities in almost all sections of the population.
BULLSHIT
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This has to be converted into theacceptance of thrift as the goal.
Not going to happen. Thrift is WAY past its
useby date and has been for more than half
a centry now given that the returns on thrift
don't even come close to inflation anymore.
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Giving the sheeple what they want
is not always what they need.
Have fun coming up with a better alternative
1/ Luxury taxes?
2/ Tariffs?
3/ Raise the GST to international levels.
That's not an alternative to democracy, stupid.
of course not. It would help the sheeple save more.
Bullshit with tariffs and increasing the GST
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In particular,
increase the departure taxes at airports ($2000/head) to encourage
spending in Oz.
Wouldnt help anyone to save more either.
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Western europe tried luxury taxes and it doesnt work,
essentially because the rich can go anywhere they like
It might work now, though.
Nope, there just isnt enough luxury spending to matter
anymore giving the immense cost of housing and rent.
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The rich are too few. I mean the reckless spending on useless items=
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You don't get to decide what are useless items.
TVs?
Hardly anyone borthers with broadcast TV anymore
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This is the primary cause of unrealistic expectations.
Bullshit and you don't get any say on what
are unrealistic expectations anyway.
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And doing that is politically unsellable anyway.
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Tariffs just prop up useless parasites like the local
american car industrys and useless parasites like you
Not always; and I'm a NICE boy!
Nothing NICE about dumpster divers.
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Tariffs have always been around, even in antiquity,
Irrelevant to whether it makes any sense now.
Makes no sense to make imported stuff more expensive
given that the unemployment rate is already so low that
only the unemployable can't get a job.
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mainly as a startup help for locals.
Makes no sense to be helping startups
to make what we import currently.
No. Too late for that!
So no point in going back to tariffs again now.
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Remember the gilded age in America.
Nothing even remotely like the current situation.
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No point in increasing taxes to give fuckwit
pollys more money to piss against the wall.
It's the sheeple, not the pollys.
Increasing the GST gives more to
the pollys to piss against the wall.
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The good old monarchies had something going for them in that the=
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were the ruling class, bred over the ages to be better rulers.
Bullshit. Have fun listing even one better ruler.
Well, the blood-soaked 20th century had a good try, but....
WW1 was those useless parasties trying to rip each
others throats out using the lives of their 'subjects'
They didn't have the time to evolve into Parliamentry democracy...
Bullshit with all except Russia.
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And that's true in spades of the countless wars before that.
Now western europe has come to its
senses and doesnt do that anymore
essentially because the fuckwit royal
parasites have mostly been given the
bums rush or have been killed or have
been made completely irrelevant politically.
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Then came the communists
Then came democracy LONG before that.
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and similar swill,
None of those ever managed anything.
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who let idealism run rampant.
That never happened anywhere.
Stalin? Robespierre? Danton?
None of those had anything to do with idealism.
Wot..? Do know this lot?
Yep. Stalin was never about idealism.
Robespierre never had any real power.
Couldnt ever manage to keep his head.
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Danton in spades.
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And Keynes and his disciple Greenspan, whos reckless low
interest rates have given us the speculative property "boom"
Keynes never produced any property boom
except in the sense of his policys getting us
out of the great depression.
It's arguable WWII did that,
Bullshit. The US economy had recovered to
better than pre 1029 GDP levels well before WW2
due to the use of Keynesian deficit spending.
It is bullshit free.
Bullshit
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Deficit spending? Wot's that?
Spending more than is being collected in taxes
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Borrowing
Yep
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and not repaying?
Nope, the national debt run up fixing the great
depression was repaid. In spades with the
borrowing which paid for WW2 in the USA
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Now we know why the USA owes $trillions!
Didnt happen with the great depression and WW2 debt.
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So did Germany, tho Adolf never called it that, but
that's how he did that, just like FDR did in the USA.
At least Adolf-the-wise was going to repay bylooting France, Eastern=
Europe and Russia.
The USA didnt need to loot anyone and
in fact spent lots on the Marshall Plan that
ensured that we wouldnt see yet another
world war in the next generation.
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but when Keynes and FDR did their little
belly-rub in the 1930s, they forgot the Sunset Clause, and so ever=
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politician since has used largess to win elections.
That's pig ignorant bullshit with Ike post WW2
It isn't bullshit at all. It's all in the history books!
Its complete and utter bullshit and no history books say
anything even remotely like that with Truman and Ike
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resulting in $trillions sitting in housing wasting assets.
Works a hell of a lot better than govt housing.
Why, do the roofs leak?
They don't
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And the sheeple wonder why everythings's expensive!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1317057.shtml
Who's gonna pay...?
Apr=E8s moi le d=E9luge!
Fuck off wog boy
I've already fucked off.
OK, off to jail for you.
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But like Nanny McPhee and Arnie I'm BACK!
Bullshit.
Sometimes I wonder about you,
Your problem.

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