Discussion:
What do we owe the White Australia Policy?
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D. Ray
2024-08-19 23:16:48 UTC
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It’s an uncomfortable truth for much of the Australian public, but
everything we love and value about Australia we owe to the White Australia
Policy.

It is so central to our national character that New South Wales’ 23rd
Premier Jack Lang once said:

“White Australia must not be regarded as a mere political shibboleth. It
was Australia’s Magna Carta. Without that policy, this country would have
been lost long ere this.”

The events that occurred before federation led directly to it and the
implementation of the policy. After its abolition, our social values and
culture still has its direct connection to the emerging Australian
sentiment and ideals that took place during our early colonial period and
flourished during our formative century, from 1850 to 1950. The policy is
directly responsible for everything we associate with Australian culture,
our national identity, social values, political framework and our customs
and traditions.

At its core, Australia is a White creation. Before Captain James Cook
landed in Botany Bay in 1770, Australia didn’t exist. The land mass was
there, and the Aboriginals inhabited it, but the land was undeveloped and
had no infrastructure or political system to formulate it into a country.
This all changed when European men and women came to settle and develop the
colonies.

Those who diminish the European foundation for Australia by saying the land
doesn’t belong to us, because “sovereignty was never ceded” and use phrases
like “White Australia has a black history”, don’t understand Australian
history. This historical analysis will help dispel these myths.

Our history stems from hundreds of years of European, but more
specifically, British history. Viewed in this way, White Australia is
thousands of years in the making and was inevitable. Even the most
overlooked details of our culture are thousands of years old: Wedding
rings, for example, are an Ancient Roman tradition that represents
permanence, strength, eternal love and commitment.

Extreme times in the 19th century & Australian federation:

Two of the most enduring aspects of Australian culture that we see today
are our version of secularism and our value of mateship. Australian
secularism is unique from the abolitionist French tradition which is more
atheistic. Our secularism comes from the rising sectarian tensions between
Anglos and Irish during the early 1800s, where initially there was a sense
of conformity to the Anglican Church. This tension resulted in the Castle
Hill Rebellion in 1804, but was later eased with the Bourke Church Act in
1836. This gave equal footing to Catholics and Protestants, with the state
funding the construction of churches for both denominations.

This stance was best elaborated on in 1887, when The Bulletin, Australia’s
most popular magazine by late 1880s, wrote:

“By the term Australian we mean not those who have been merely born in
Australia. All White men who come to these shores — with a clean record —
and who leave behind them the memory of the class-distinctions and the
religious differences of the old world; all men who place the happiness,
the prosperity, the advancement of their adopted country before the
interests of Imperialism, are Australian. In this regard all men who leave
the tyrant-ridden lands of Europe for freedom of speech and right of
personal liberty are Australians before they set foot on the ship which
brings them hither.”

The above quote exemplifies perfectly how Australia is a unique country
with its views on ethnic, class and religious cooperation, while remaining
a White Christian country.

This is also seen with Australia’s value of mateship, which can be traced
back to Captain Arthur Phillip in the 1790s. His view was that, given how
the Port Jackson Settlement was inhabited by both convicts and free men,
they should both be afforded a sense of common decency for the benefit and
survival of the colony. This meant allowing each other to live side by side
with dignity, and once a convict’s sentence was up, he would be able to
live as a free man in the colony and have a new start in life, even given
land and the opportunity to learn a trade.

We still see this dignified and enlightened outlook today, as regardless of
if you’re a tradie or an office worker, class distinctions and the type of
work you do aren’t a source of conflict or denigration in Australia.

The White Australia Policy was also the result of many decades of non-White
immigration into Australia during the mid 19th century and the racial and
social tensions that followed. We can point to examples like the race riots
at Buckland River in 1857, Lambing Flat in the early 1860s, Clunes in 1876,
and the Eureka Rebellion from 1851 to 1854, where thousands of White
working men were willing to risk their own lives for the welfare of White
Australian working towns and families.

During the gold rush, Chinese goldminers would often disembark in South
Australia and New South Wales, and because of the £10 tax per head from the
Victorian government, would resort to making the 500km trek overland to
avoid the tax and make it onto the Victorian goldfields.

Life on the goldfields was rough. The racial diversity in such close
proximity caused problems and inevitably resulted in conflict. The
Europeans either worked alone or in small groups and would frequently
abandon spots for areas rumoured to be richer. The Chinese, on the other
hand, worked in larger groups covering larger areas of land, were rumoured
to muddy the water holes, were thieves, worked on the sabbath, lived
frugally and were insanitary. They worked for longer hours for less
returns, which drove down the value of labour, and were accustomed to
simple sleeping quarters and subsisted on basic food.

This contradiction of living conditions sparked the later social and
economic ideals of the White Australia Policy, by not allowing White
Australians to be degraded to slave-like working conditions and pay by law,
and the emerging Australian ideals and standards that we still value today.
These ideals were expounded upon by Alfred Deakin in his 1903 election
victory speech.

As previously mentioned, early Australia was a radically different
conception of what a White country could be. A great example of this is the
early settlement of South Australia. The free colony was proclaimed in
1836, and there was so much hope for what the colony could look like, that
no gaol was included in Colonel Light’s 1837 plan. The SA police force is
the third oldest centrally organised police service in the world and was
only formed in 1838 after rising concerns of felons from neighbouring
colonies entering the new settlement, ruining the colony’s convict-free
status.

Given the lack of unity on a national scale throughout the colonies
regarding immigration policy and having no central mechanism to enforce the
newfound ideals Australians were developing, the need for federation was a
consideration that was beginning to take shape.

The late 19th century saw the important Tenterfield Oration by Sir Henry
Parkes in 1889. This speech is considered the start of efforts towards
Australian federation. It advocated for nation building through a federal
government and federal parliament, a national army for defence and security
and vast railways connecting the states for the movement of troops from the
army.

This was a struggle for all states to agree with, as Western Australia is
infamously known as the last state to federate and even considered
secession, due to the other colonies experiencing an economic depression.
If Western Australia accepted federation, they were concerned about the
colony’s economic and political power being weakened.

The struggle to defend White Australia from attacks on all sides:

The policy was passed in 1901 under the name “Immigration Restriction Act
1901”, but in practice it was what we know today as the White Australia
Policy. The Act followed the Pacific Island Labourers Act 1901, which saw
the mass deportations of approximately 7,500 Pacific Islander labourers
from the Queensland and northern New South Wales sugarcane fields.

The policy was primarily racial, but this racial outlook for Australia
included well-measured economic and social concerns to maintain Australian
standards of living and allow Australian culture to develop and flourish.

The practice of the capitalist class replacing White labour in key
industries with cheap coloured labour from abroad remained unpopular. The
capitalists weren’t the only ones opposed to an explicitly White Australia
and consistently tried to undermine this ideal, notably in 1922 when the
South Australian Premier proposed developing Northern Territory (under
South Australia’s control at the time) with indentured Asian labour.

Their view was that White men and women were unsuitable for tropical
climates, and instead non-whites should be brought in to do the work
instead. A newspaper article from 1907 further shows the growing acceptance
of the White Australia Policy in contrast to the South African situation at
the time, with coloured labour replacing White labour on job sites. This
sentiment is still present in White Australian workers today, regardless of
how well articulated it is. The importation of non-whites into Australian
industries as a replacement for White workers, as was the case during the
Lambing Flat riots, has always meant the lowering of working conditions and
wages for White workers.

Key figures in the struggle for White Australia like Prime Minister Alfred
Deakin viewed total mobilisation of the White working population to fill
our industries with White labour as an ideal. In his aforementioned 1903
election victory speech he advocated that Australian workers must be paid
fair wages and afforded “the maintenance of conditions of life fit for
White men and White women.” This outlook sees its fruits in the Awards
Rates that we have today.

Additionally, the Crown opposed implementing the policy into our
constitution because they thought such a stance could harm their trade
relations with Japan, another example of putting economic concerns before
racial matters. Despite the Crown taking a softer approach to White
Australia for economic reasons, they did allow us our White nationalist
project in Australia, by passing the policy as the first major law in
Australia’s federal parliament’s history.

The Australian Workers’ Union and the Labor party both had as the first
point in their constitutions the cultivation of an Australian sentiment,
based upon the maintenance of racial purity and the development in
Australia of an enlightened and self-reliant community, with the goal of a
White working man’s paradise.

Australians have always valued nativism and Australian-made products over
importing foreign-born immigrants and cheap imports from places like China.
We are naturally sceptical of anything Chinese or Indian-made, because we
view those products as lesser quality. This outlook is underscored by the
“Australian-Made” Preference League, who in 1925 said:

“Our White Australia Policy will stand as long as we are able to defend it,
and not one minute longer. You can help to make it secure by being a good
Australian every day. Remember – Preference to ‘Australian-Made’ means more
employment, more employment means more population, and more population
means security.”

The attitudes of the White Australia Policy, although not as strongly
expressed, do still find themselves present within the sentiments of the
White Australian population to this day: mateship and the common decency
afforded to every man, labourism and self-reliance, a high standard of
living, a preference for Australians and Europeans over foreigners, and
Australian-made products.

White Australia’s biggest existential threat:

World War Two was Australia’s biggest existential threat during the 20th
century. Faced with the possibility of invasion by Imperial Japan, the
White Australia Policy was reinforced like no other time in its history.
With a population of around 7 million people during WW2, in comparison to
Japan who had 73 million people, and being spread across such a vast
continent, Australia was reliant on bigger countries for protection.

During both world wars, Australia’s ANZAC soldiers fought for a White
Australia. They did so by fighting for the British Empire, as the vast size
and resources of the empire gave us the security and protection needed to
keep Australia White.

Support for the White Australia Policy is seen by repeated statements from
our first 16 Prime Ministers, high ranking officers in the army, and the
various Presidents of the Returned Services League. Having the White
Australia Policy as one of our first principles during the war kept us
united in this ideal and prevented subversive fifth columns from
developing.

Later in the war, Winston Churchill favoured abandoning Australian security
and interests in favour of a “Europe First” policy, forcing Prime Minister
John Curtin to bring Australia’s soldiers home to protect against Japanese
invasion, and turn towards the United States for help.

Today we face another existential threat to White Australia with the
seemingly endless stream of mass immigration. But we can look to World War
Two as an example from recent history exemplifying the need for a uniting
ideal for White Australians to rally behind. White nationalism has always
highlighted the concerns of White Australians in the face of demographic
decline, social issues, economic degradation and valued the future of our
people and nation above all else.

The Australian racial struggle in the 21st century:

Truthfully, this is the hardest time to be a White nationalist in
Australia’s history. But the cost of remaining apolitical and not doing
anything are too great. The struggle for White Australia in the 21st
century now goes beyond demographic issues, as mass immigration is
impacting every aspect of life in Australia, especially for young
Australians: From decreased standards of living and social trust, housing,
rent and food prices increasing, more competition for a job, longer wait
times in hospitals, more traffic on the road and less social cohesion as
communities become more individualistic and diverse.

Australian nationalists have been forced out of the public square.
Nationalist organising has had to resort to wearing masks and black bloc
during protests to be protected against domestic terrorism by Antifa. We
battle with online censorship to spread our ideas and must contend with the
negative reputation that lone wolf actors have given our nationalist cause.

Immigration restriction and nativism will always occupy a space in
Australian politics. Our aversion to mass immigration into Australia is a
survival instinct which finds its historical roots in the 19th century and
the White Australia Policy.

One year’s surplus population from Asia and Africa into Australia, without
restrictions on immigration, will see Australia fundamentally changed
demographically, culturally and politically. The last time our foreign-born
population was at the rate it is now, currently at 30.7% of Australia’s
population, was in 1893 when most of the migrants arriving in the colonies
were European. This is a drastic change from our lowest rate at 9.8% in
1947. While the situation is dire, there is an alternative path that could
be taken, and see White Australians become a supermajority again.

If we are to retain a White country in the future, White Australians need
to mobilise, racially collectivise and champion the cause of immigration
restriction. Just as we can analyse the events of the past and see how we
got to where we are now, we need to be looking into the future to think
about what kind of country our grandkids will inherit.

Our Australian ideals of a united, White, free and prosperous nation will
make this inheritance a better alternative than the situation we’re in
today. Everything that makes Australia unique can be traced to these ideals
and the events of Australian history.

We owe everything to our founding fathers and the White Australia Policy.

To learn more about the White Australia Policy, follow @WhiteAusPolicy on
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Borax Man
2024-08-20 10:02:39 UTC
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I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.

I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
bertietaylor
2024-08-20 14:20:10 UTC
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Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Borax Man
2024-08-22 09:50:49 UTC
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Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want. The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
bertietaylor
2024-08-23 22:21:53 UTC
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Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want. The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Needs to be truly independent and that means not forced to buy foreign
rubbish like submarines.
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Peter Jason
2024-08-23 22:32:14 UTC
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Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want. The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Needs to be truly independent and that means not forced to buy foreign
rubbish like submarines.
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Perhaps the submarines are needed to secure the endless under-sea
cables, which if cut in several places, would make the lights go out.
bertietaylor
2024-08-23 23:02:04 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want. The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Needs to be truly independent and that means not forced to buy foreign
rubbish like submarines.
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Perhaps the submarines are needed to secure the endless under-sea
cables, which if cut in several places, would make the lights go out.
Lights won't go out. There's sufficient energy in Australia.
Yes comms may be cut but that is hardly vital when the land can defend
itself.
Autarky has to be the steady default situation.
Australia must have nukes and missile systems to guarantee independence
and keep up living standards.
Otherwise it will be forced to compensate the incompetence of its
so-called allies.
Rod Speed
2024-08-23 23:28:47 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want. The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Needs to be truly independent and that means not forced to buy foreign
rubbish like submarines.
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Perhaps the submarines are needed to secure the endless under-sea
cables,
No submarine can do that. They extend FAR too far and it is
never going to be possible in protect them all at once anyway.
Post by Peter Jason
which if cut in several places, would make the lights go out.
Bullshit. There are still the satellites and even
if all the under sea cables and satellites all went
out at once, that would never affect the lights.
Peter Jason
2024-08-26 01:41:07 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:28:47 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Peter Jason
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want. The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Needs to be truly independent and that means not forced to buy foreign
rubbish like submarines.
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Perhaps the submarines are needed to secure the endless under-sea
cables,
No submarine can do that. They extend FAR too far and it is
never going to be possible in protect them all at once anyway.
Post by Peter Jason
which if cut in several places, would make the lights go out.
Bullshit. There are still the satellites and even
if all the under sea cables and satellites all went
out at once, that would never affect the lights.
True, but what a disaster anyway.

Like bombing bridges power lines and railroad tracks. Easily
repairable but very hindering.

Rod Speed
2024-08-23 23:31:10 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:21:53 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want. The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Post by bertietaylor
Needs to be truly independent
Nope. And that isnt even possible anyway.
Post by bertietaylor
and that means not forced to buy foreign rubbish like submarines.
The locally built subs are useless.
Post by bertietaylor
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
bertietaylor
2024-08-24 04:50:05 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:21:53 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want. The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Post by bertietaylor
Needs to be truly independent
Nope. And that isnt even possible anyway.
Absolutely possible. Like other freed British colonies. Needs a freedom
movement leading to a Republic. Whether that freedom is desirable or not
is the question. I would say it is long overdue.

People with master or slave tendencies oppose such movements. These
sorts have their use by dates.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
and that means not forced to buy foreign rubbish like submarines.
The locally built subs are useless.
Post by bertietaylor
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Quiet, foolish child.
Rod Speed
2024-08-24 09:23:03 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 14:50:05 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Rod Speed
On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:21:53 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want.
The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Post by bertietaylor
Needs to be truly independent
Nope. And that isnt even possible anyway.
Absolutely possible.
Nope, we have much too small a population wise for that.
Post by bertietaylor
Like other freed British colonies.
NOT ONE of those is even close to truly independent
Post by bertietaylor
Needs a freedom movement leading to a Republic.
Wouldnt produce truly independent
Post by bertietaylor
Whether that freedom is desirable or not isthe question. I would say it
is long overdue.
Not even possible.
Post by bertietaylor
People with master or slave tendencies
No such animal with countrys
Post by bertietaylor
oppose such movements. These
sorts have their use by dates.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
and that means not forced to buy foreign rubbish like submarines.
The locally built subs are useless.
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Much better to have powerful land forces.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Quiet, foolish child.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.
bertietaylor
2024-08-25 05:29:44 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 14:50:05 +1000, bertietaylor
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Post by Rod Speed
On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:21:53 +1000, bertietaylor
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Post by Borax Man
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Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want.
The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Post by bertietaylor
Needs to be truly independent
Nope. And that isnt even possible anyway.
Absolutely possible.
Nope, we have much too small a population wise for that.
Nonsense. It is more than enough.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
Like other freed British colonies.
NOT ONE of those is even close to truly independent
That way no country is independent. A matter of degree. Also
self-perception. Trade makes all nations depend upon each other.
Thus NZ is more independent than Australis as they did not send their
troops for US' recent wars.
Independence is shown with defence and foreign policy, control if
migration, boosting own talents and resources, not kowtowing to foreign
interests, etc.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
Needs a freedom movement leading to a Republic.
Wouldnt produce truly independent
Post by bertietaylor
Whether that freedom is desirable or not isthe question. I would say it
is long overdue.
Not even possible.
Post by bertietaylor
People with master or slave tendencies
No such animal with countrys
Post by bertietaylor
oppose such movements. These
sorts have their use by dates.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
and that means not forced to buy foreign rubbish like submarines.
The locally built subs are useless.
Post by bertietaylor
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Quiet, foolish child.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.
bertietaylor
2024-08-25 06:47:51 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 14:50:05 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Rod Speed
On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:21:53 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but by the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly population may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm not as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want.
The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny. I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Post by bertietaylor
Needs to be truly independent
Nope. And that isnt even possible anyway.
Absolutely possible.
Nope, we have much too small a population wise for that.
Nonsense. It is more than enough.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
Like other freed British colonies.
NOT ONE of those is even close to truly independent
That way no country is independent. A matter of degree. Also
self-perception. Trade makes all nations depend upon each other.
Thus NZ is more independent than Australis as they did not send their
troops for US' recent wars.
Independence is shown with defence and foreign policy, control if
migration, boosting own talents and resources, not kowtowing to foreign
interests, etc.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
Needs a freedom movement leading to a Republic.
Wouldnt produce truly independent
Post by bertietaylor
Whether that freedom is desirable or not isthe question. I would say it
is long overdue.
Not even possible.
Post by bertietaylor
People with master or slave tendencies
No such animal with countrys
Post by bertietaylor
oppose such movements. These
sorts have their use by dates.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
and that means not forced to buy foreign rubbish like submarines.
The locally built subs are useless.
Post by bertietaylor
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Quiet, foolish child.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.
Rod Speed
2024-08-25 09:41:44 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 15:29:44 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Rod Speed
On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 14:50:05 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Rod Speed
On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:21:53 +1000, bertietaylor
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Borax Man
I find it unlikely that the policy will ever make a comeback, but
by
the
same token, I find it unlikely that the West which gave us the
prosperity and lifestyle that some of the older ones among us grew up
with, will survive.
I think the maintenance of our civilisation means holding onto ideas
which are distasteful and an anathema to modern ideals.
Worry not, civilisations change, usually for the better. An Australia
with soft soil, large trees, brimming waters and a kindly
population
may
well hark to a golden past and a fruitful future. It will be compatible
with high living standards and powerful defence. WAP served its purpose.
It is past. Enterprising people find racism a drag.
Based on current trajectories, the future doesn't look good. I'm
not
as
optimistic. There have been plenty of people that lived on otherwise
fertile and mineral rich soil, but lived in poverty and with want.
The
people matter, the people matter a LOT. Demographics IS destiny.
I'm
not optimistic about future Australian populations being able to
maintain the standard of living we enjoyed in the path.
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Post by bertietaylor
Needs to be truly independent
Nope. And that isnt even possible anyway.
Absolutely possible.
Nope, we have much too small a population wise for that.
Nonsense. It is more than enough.
Bullshit militarily and trade wise in spades
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
Like other freed British colonies.
NOT ONE of those is even close to truly independent
That way no country is independent.
You stupidly said TRULY INDEPENDANT
Post by bertietaylor
A matter of degree.
But you stupidly rabbited on about TRULY INDEPENDANT
Post by bertietaylor
Also self-perception.
Nope.
Post by bertietaylor
Trade makes all nations depend upon each other.
And no one is in fact TRULY INDEPENDANT trade wise.
Post by bertietaylor
Thus NZ is more independent than Australis asthey did not send their
troops for US' recent wars.
But are nothing even remotely like TRULY INDEPENDANT
militarily given that they dont even make all their own
military hardware or even have a hope in hell of ever
being able to defend their own country is anyone else
is actually stupid enough to try to invade them.

In spades with trade.
Post by bertietaylor
Independence is shown with defence and foreign policy, control if
migration, boosting own talents and resources, not kowtowing to foreign
interests, etc.
And NO ONE is actually TRULY INDEPENDANT in that regard world wide.
Post by bertietaylor
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
Needs a freedom movement leading to a Republic.
Wouldn't produce truly independent
Post by bertietaylor
Whether that freedom is desirable or not isthe question. I would say it
is long overdue.
Not even possible.
Post by bertietaylor
People with master or slave tendencies
No such animal with countrys
Post by bertietaylor
oppose such movements. These
sorts have their use by dates.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by bertietaylor
and that means not forced to buy foreign rubbish like submarines.
The locally built subs are useless.
Post by bertietaylor
Much better to have powerful land forces.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Quiet, foolish child.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.
D. Ray
2024-08-25 05:06:02 UTC
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Post by bertietaylor
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Can you tell me more about that “tight immigration policy” and “healthy
growing population”?

Does that mean letting any shitskin in and allowing him to rape your
daughter?

How exactly is it “tight” and “healthy”?
bertietaylor
2024-08-25 05:40:33 UTC
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Post by bertietaylor
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Can you tell me more about that “tight immigration policy” and “healthy
growing population”?
No illegal immigration allowed and incentives for couples to have
children on the basis of romance.
Post by D. Ray
Does that mean letting any shitskin in and allowing him to rape your
daughter?
No.
Post by D. Ray
How exactly is it “tight” and “healthy”?
With proper checks you get good quality immigrants. Theological or lust
drives for reproduction cause rebellion and abortion on one hand, and
overpopulation on the other.
Rod Speed
2024-08-25 09:56:14 UTC
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Post by bertietaylor
Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Can you tell me more about that =E2=80=9Ctight immigration policy=E2=80=
=9D and =E2=80=9Chealthy
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growing population=E2=80=9D?
No illegal immigration allowed
Bullshit. Its never going to be possible to stop tourists
and students showing up and not bothering to go home.
Post by bertietaylor
and incentives for couples to have
children on the basis of romance.
More mindless bullshit. Our terminally stupid
child payments system encourages the dregs
of the country to pump out more dregs kids
just so they don't have to work anymore.

Mate of mine has something like 11 kids,
all with a different woman, so that the
woman can just put her hand out the state
for the rest of her pathetic excuse for a life.

And the previous tenant of the utterly insane
policy of dotting houses for abos in new
housing subdivisions in the 70 had something
like 6, all with a different father, before the
system moved her to a bigger house where
she continued to pump out even more kids.

Interesting to look at the economics, you
only need more than 3 kids to end up with
a better real standard of living than a woman
working as a checkout monkey in a supermarket
and the state looks after the brats for most of the
day in school and you even get to enjoy the fucking
that produces the extra kids. No supermarket can
provide job benefits anything even remotely like that.
Post by bertietaylor
Does that mean letting any shitskin in and allowing him to rape your
daughter?
No.
How exactly is it =E2=80=9Ctight=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Chealthy=E2=80=9D=
?
Post by bertietaylor
With proper checks you get good quality immigrants.
Not even possible.
Post by bertietaylor
Theological or lust
drives for reproduction cause rebellion and abortion on one hand, and
overpopulation on the other.
And there is no way to avoid that.
Rod Speed
2024-08-25 09:23:02 UTC
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Australia has a tight immigration policy, great natural resources,
healthy growing population.
Yes
Can you tell me more about that =E2=80=9Ctight immigration policy=E2=80=
=9D

That's his, not mine.
and =E2=80=9Chealthy growing population=E2=80=9D?
And so is that.
Does that mean letting any shitskin in
We have never done that.
and allowing him to rape your daughter?
Or that.
How exactly is it =E2=80=9Ctight=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Chealthy=E2=80=9D=
?

Ask him, given that that is his shit.
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