Discussion:
Let us rejoice: The excellence of the Cronulla Mob.
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Eunometic
2005-12-11 07:46:20 UTC
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There is normally and ugliness associated with mobs. When angered,
usually by some legitimate frustration they can be blunt and crude by
unfairly venting their rage against individuals that do not deserve it
to get their message across. I think its fair to say we saw some of
that especailly since a couple seems to have been picked upon. (most
people probably couldn't even see who they were booing)

I say however that the mob in Cronulla is exactly what we needed to get
a message through to a government and elites that has willfully ignored
the Australian peoples wishes on immigration and indugled the bad
haviour of muslim youth and gangs.

Cronulla was inevitable and a long expected response from an Australian
community enraged with frustration at being talked down.

Some 5000 people turned up in what was clearly a spontaneous protest,
Blaming racism, rabble rousers or alcahole is an inadquet explanation
for that number of people. I note that it was not an anti asian
demonstration in Cronulla. (and it has a substantial population of
such)

Government elites, lunar multiculturalists have been content to indugle
and ignore the atrocious behaviour of what seems to be mainly muslim
boys, they are frustrated having their suburbs turned into little
middle easts complete with burquaed women, kaftaned mullahs and gangs
that seem more like Beirut paramilitary group than teenagers.

You'd have to be a blinkered fool to pretend that muslim youth haven't
become a problem in Australia yet we seem to have plenty of such idiots
around. (mostly people that can avoid the consequences of their middle
easter immigration program by living somewhere else)

Australians are sick of the thought of schools such as Auburn so
dominated by muslims that 20% of the budget goes to english as a second
language teachers instead of reducing teacher student ratios.

They are indignant at seeing themselves and their children driven into
ever more impossibly expenisve housing in hoter drier suburbs further
and further out west that are devoid of recreational opportunities, far
from work and lacking in infrastructure.

The are angry at seeing their money spent on funding for all sorts of
'diversity' festivals. (even at Cronulla where a labour councilor
wanted to replace the opressive face of Captain Cook with a dolphins
logo)

They are upset and horrified that the free an easy suburbs such as
Cronulla can become up tight places where White girls aren't safe or
treated with respect and where lone anglo boys can get bashed.

I remember that Cronulla was an easy going happy suburb, people from
the "Shire" are particularly proud of their area and want to preserve
it.

Part of the problem is not immigration on its own it is bringing
evermore people into steteched infrastucture away from natural
recreation. What are the Arab youth of bankstown to do but get up to
trouble.

It is that under Hawke and Keating labour governments the standard for
immigrants dropped. It became driven not by economic rationals but by
a polically correct desire to increase diversity, bring in refugees
even if their claims were dubious. Family reunion became 60% of the
source of immigrants at one point and this at the already reduced
standards for entry into Australia. The Howard government has
continued the foolishness.

Remember that this is a reprisal against the tollerated and miscreant
behaviour of what are called 'leb gangs' a behaviour ignored by a
series of local, state and federal governments that Australians no
longer respect or expect to be listened to by.

The mob was the only and the inevitable answer. Let us rejoice at
that.
kangarooistan
2005-12-11 08:00:46 UTC
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REJOICE IN JAIL

THIS IS NOW A CRIME MATE

AND SO IS YOUR POST IMHO

WELL WE HAVE THE VIDEOS AND THOUSANDS WILL BE CHARGED AND
JAILED OR THE GOVT WILL HAVE TO ALLOW ALL TO BEHAVE THIS WAY

AND THE TROOPS WILL HAVE TO BE WITHDRAWN FROM IRAQ

IRAQ IS FULL OF PEOPLE OF MIDDLE EASTERN APPEARANCE, 25 million

AND A FEW HUNDRED MAINLY WHITE CHRISTIAN AUSSIES WILL NEED TO BE
PROTECTED

THE GOVT WILL BE FORCED TO ARREST AND CHARGE EVERY ONE OF
THESE PEOPLE OR ACCEPT THIS IS LAWFULL AND ALOW THE TROOPS
TO BE TREATED IN THE SAME FASHION

CHARGE THEM ON VIDEO EVIDENCE WE HAVE HEAPS TO USE

THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS ALL ON VIDEO

I SAY DEPORT THEM ALL NOW

theoldman
Eunometic
2005-12-11 08:09:05 UTC
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Apparently being a rambling 'mad arab' was enough to get you into the
country.

Your presence in Australia supports my claim that the immigration
program was reduced in quality after the 1970s and that the muslim
loutism that is now appearing and causing so much anger in Australia is
a result not of some instrinsic problem with muslims but of a specific
problem with the immigration program.

You can blame Australian racists or you could consider that the
behaviour of members of your 'community' is part of the problem.
Post by kangarooistan
REJOICE IN JAIL
THIS IS NOW A CRIME MATE
AND SO IS YOUR POST IMHO
WELL WE HAVE THE VIDEOS AND THOUSANDS WILL BE CHARGED AND
JAILED OR THE GOVT WILL HAVE TO ALLOW ALL TO BEHAVE THIS WAY
AND THE TROOPS WILL HAVE TO BE WITHDRAWN FROM IRAQ
IRAQ IS FULL OF PEOPLE OF MIDDLE EASTERN APPEARANCE, 25 million
AND A FEW HUNDRED MAINLY WHITE CHRISTIAN AUSSIES WILL NEED TO BE
PROTECTED
THE GOVT WILL BE FORCED TO ARREST AND CHARGE EVERY ONE OF
THESE PEOPLE OR ACCEPT THIS IS LAWFULL AND ALOW THE TROOPS
TO BE TREATED IN THE SAME FASHION
CHARGE THEM ON VIDEO EVIDENCE WE HAVE HEAPS TO USE
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS ALL ON VIDEO
I SAY DEPORT THEM ALL NOW
theoldman
kangarooistan
2005-12-11 08:16:54 UTC
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PROBLEM WOT PROBLEM

JUST TAKE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE AND ARREST THE TERRORIST WHITE
CHRISTIAN RIGHTWING CRIMINALS

WOTS THE PROBLEM

THEY WILL VOLUNTEER TO BE ARRESTED WHEN THEY SEE THEIR FACES
ON ALJAZEERA AND INDONESOIAN, IRAQi , IRAN HAS IT TOO

THESE CRIMINALS WILL BEG TO BE ARRESTED

ITS THE ONLY HOPE OF ESCAPING TRUE JUSTICE

AND THE TROOPS IN IRAQ ARE ALREADY DEMANDING TO RETURN AND
ARREST THEM

TOU POOR SILLY FOOLS JUST DID A COL CUSTER

theoldman
Brash
2005-12-11 13:17:57 UTC
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Hey, fuckwit, do you know what a "Caps Lock" key is actually for?
Post by kangarooistan
PROBLEM WOT PROBLEM
JUST TAKE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE AND ARREST THE TERRORIST WHITE
CHRISTIAN RIGHTWING CRIMINALS
Wouldn't be neccessary if they's arrested the Leb muslim criminals in the
first instance.
Post by kangarooistan
WOTS THE PROBLEM
THEY WILL VOLUNTEER TO BE ARRESTED WHEN THEY SEE THEIR FACES
ON ALJAZEERA AND INDONESOIAN, IRAQi , IRAN HAS IT TOO
What the fuck are you smoking? Camel shit?
Post by kangarooistan
THESE CRIMINALS WILL BEG TO BE ARRESTED
ITS THE ONLY HOPE OF ESCAPING TRUE JUSTICE
AND THE TROOPS IN IRAQ ARE ALREADY DEMANDING TO RETURN
BWAHAHAHAHA!! Like fuck they are.
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themselves to do so."

Me.

AND
Post by kangarooistan
ARREST THEM
TOU POOR SILLY FOOLS JUST DID A COL CUSTER
theoldman
fasgnadh
2005-12-11 08:29:22 UTC
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Post by Eunometic
Apparently being a rambling 'mad arab' was enough to get you into the
country.
Your presence in Australia supports my claim that the immigration
program was reduced in quality after the 1970s and that the muslim
loutism that is now appearing and causing so much anger in Australia is
a result not of some instrinsic problem with muslims but of a specific
problem with the immigration program.
You can blame Australian racists or you could consider that the
behaviour of members of your 'community' is part of the problem.
Post by kangarooistan
REJOICE IN JAIL
THIS IS NOW A CRIME MATE
AND SO IS YOUR POST IMHO
WELL WE HAVE THE VIDEOS AND THOUSANDS WILL BE CHARGED AND
JAILED OR THE GOVT WILL HAVE TO ALLOW ALL TO BEHAVE THIS WAY
AND THE TROOPS WILL HAVE TO BE WITHDRAWN FROM IRAQ
IRAQ IS FULL OF PEOPLE OF MIDDLE EASTERN APPEARANCE, 25 million
AND A FEW HUNDRED MAINLY WHITE CHRISTIAN AUSSIES WILL NEED TO BE
PROTECTED
THE GOVT WILL BE FORCED TO ARREST AND CHARGE EVERY ONE OF
THESE PEOPLE OR ACCEPT THIS IS LAWFULL AND ALOW THE TROOPS
TO BE TREATED IN THE SAME FASHION
CHARGE THEM ON VIDEO EVIDENCE WE HAVE HEAPS TO USE
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS ALL ON VIDEO
I SAY DEPORT THEM ALL NOW
theoldman
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manly supporter
2005-12-11 11:37:37 UTC
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You terrorist supporter!

Well see u in jail pretty soon!
Post by kangarooistan
REJOICE IN JAIL
THIS IS NOW A CRIME MATE
AND SO IS YOUR POST IMHO
WELL WE HAVE THE VIDEOS AND THOUSANDS WILL BE CHARGED AND
JAILED OR THE GOVT WILL HAVE TO ALLOW ALL TO BEHAVE THIS WAY
AND THE TROOPS WILL HAVE TO BE WITHDRAWN FROM IRAQ
IRAQ IS FULL OF PEOPLE OF MIDDLE EASTERN APPEARANCE, 25 million
AND A FEW HUNDRED MAINLY WHITE CHRISTIAN AUSSIES WILL NEED TO BE
PROTECTED
THE GOVT WILL BE FORCED TO ARREST AND CHARGE EVERY ONE OF
THESE PEOPLE OR ACCEPT THIS IS LAWFULL AND ALOW THE TROOPS
TO BE TREATED IN THE SAME FASHION
CHARGE THEM ON VIDEO EVIDENCE WE HAVE HEAPS TO USE
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS ALL ON VIDEO
I SAY DEPORT THEM ALL NOW
theoldman
Brash
2005-12-11 13:13:23 UTC
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Where do these idiots come from?
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"When Governments fail to enforce law and order, common folk take it upon
themselves to do so."

Me.
Post by kangarooistan
REJOICE IN JAIL
THIS IS NOW A CRIME MATE
AND SO IS YOUR POST IMHO
WELL WE HAVE THE VIDEOS AND THOUSANDS WILL BE CHARGED AND
JAILED OR THE GOVT WILL HAVE TO ALLOW ALL TO BEHAVE THIS WAY
AND THE TROOPS WILL HAVE TO BE WITHDRAWN FROM IRAQ
IRAQ IS FULL OF PEOPLE OF MIDDLE EASTERN APPEARANCE, 25 million
AND A FEW HUNDRED MAINLY WHITE CHRISTIAN AUSSIES WILL NEED TO BE
PROTECTED
THE GOVT WILL BE FORCED TO ARREST AND CHARGE EVERY ONE OF
THESE PEOPLE OR ACCEPT THIS IS LAWFULL AND ALOW THE TROOPS
TO BE TREATED IN THE SAME FASHION
CHARGE THEM ON VIDEO EVIDENCE WE HAVE HEAPS TO USE
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS ALL ON VIDEO
I SAY DEPORT THEM ALL NOW
theoldman
Wayne
2005-12-11 14:33:52 UTC
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:13:23 +1100, "Brash" <***@hotmail.SPAM>
wrote:

}Where do these idiots come from?

Kamelshitfuckistan...
Rifty
2005-12-12 08:03:55 UTC
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Post by Wayne
}Where do these idiots come from?
Kamelshitfuckistan...
Not all of them. Apparently from the action at Cronulla, there are just
as many idiots coming from Fascistan. Leave them out of the equation at
your peril.

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o***@hotmail.com
2005-12-12 06:49:16 UTC
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I am an european by birth,kiwi by citizenship,proud to call all
australians my friends.Arabs( I do not consider them australians and
never will) even born in OZ choose segregation,hanging around in
ghetto's created by themselves,not the Oz's.I am even more proud now to
call them my friends ,as they proved to be smart enough as not to get
themselves tricked into a passive limbo by PC mad,dangerously short
sighted politicians.This is a wake up call,nothing less-it will
continue and the arabs will not like it.
Arabs have no place in civilized world,OZ included.I have to thank the
australians for showing the rest of the world the way to go.
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI !!!!!
Rifty
2005-12-12 09:50:40 UTC
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Post by o***@hotmail.com
Arabs( I do not consider them australians and
never will) even born in OZ choose segregation,hanging around in
ghetto's created by themselves,not the Oz's.
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....

There's a message in this somewhere. Pity some peope are too
thick-headed to see it.

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LDL
2005-12-12 11:18:40 UTC
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Post by Rifty
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Arabs( I do not consider them australians and
never will) even born in OZ choose segregation,hanging around in
ghetto's created by themselves,not the Oz's.
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Post by Rifty
There's a message in this somewhere. Pity some peope are too
thick-headed to see it.
The problem that happened with Cronulla was that a very few from the Nazi
Party skin heads rocked up and initiated trouble while in the confusion it
soon became a war.
Post by Rifty
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Rifty
2005-12-12 14:11:48 UTC
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Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Arabs( I do not consider them australians and
never will) even born in OZ choose segregation,hanging around in
ghetto's created by themselves,not the Oz's.
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
I take your point and I know the circumstances are not directly
parallel, but I object to the scatter-gun approach. I am aware that
these acts of violence against traditional Australian women have
occurred and they are horrific, and no-one who lives in this country has
the right to expect mercy for such violence because they claim it was OK
to act like that somewhere else. But whatever you do - and I know you
are not a racist - please do not contribute anything to this discussion
that implicity slanders a whole community who as a group are innocent of
the acts that some of their number have inflicted on others.
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
There's a message in this somewhere. Pity some peope are too
thick-headed to see it.
The problem that happened with Cronulla was that a very few from the Nazi
Party skin heads rocked up and initiated trouble while in the confusion it
soon became a war.
I know there are always blokes out there looking for a rumble. It adds
excitement to their otherwise futile lives. I do not blame the entire
Australian Anglo-Saxon community for the acts of a few of their number
either.

We are in dangerous territory here for this country. This is not a joke
and it will not be smoothed over simply by people wanting it to go away.
But matters will be made much worse if whole communities are blamed for
the actions of a minority of thugs in their midst. This is the mistake
that is so often made when whites deal with the Aboriginal community. It
results in total alienation.

Whatever Ferdie, and some of the brainless idiots who write to this
group advocating extreme action might say, this is not the entire fault
of one side. For the rapists and thugs, they must be brought to justice
and made to see the error of their ways whatever it takes. But so must
the hate-filled idiots armed with iron bars who want to take the law
into their own hands.

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LDL
2005-12-12 23:13:34 UTC
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Post by Rifty
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Arabs( I do not consider them australians and
never will) even born in OZ choose segregation,hanging around in
ghetto's created by themselves,not the Oz's.
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
I take your point and I know the circumstances are not directly
parallel, but I object to the scatter-gun approach. I am aware that
these acts of violence against traditional Australian women have
occurred and they are horrific, and no-one who lives in this country has
the right to expect mercy for such violence because they claim it was OK
to act like that somewhere else. But whatever you do - and I know you
are not a racist - please do not contribute anything to this discussion
that implicity slanders a whole community who as a group are innocent of
the acts that some of their number have inflicted on others.
Not aiming to place a blame on a particular.
Post by Rifty
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
There's a message in this somewhere. Pity some peope are too
thick-headed to see it.
The problem that happened with Cronulla was that a very few from the Nazi
Party skin heads rocked up and initiated trouble while in the confusion it
soon became a war.
I know there are always blokes out there looking for a rumble. It adds
excitement to their otherwise futile lives. I do not blame the entire
Australian Anglo-Saxon community for the acts of a few of their number
either.
We are in dangerous territory here for this country. This is not a joke
and it will not be smoothed over simply by people wanting it to go away.
But matters will be made much worse if whole communities are blamed for
the actions of a minority of thugs in their midst. This is the mistake
that is so often made when whites deal with the Aboriginal community. It
results in total alienation.
I certainy agree and those white who started them on Sunday deserved to be
in jail along as any middle eastern people also causing the violence. They
should be locked together in jail and let them sort each other out.
Post by Rifty
Whatever Ferdie, and some of the brainless idiots who write to this
group advocating extreme action might say, this is not the entire fault
of one side. For the rapists and thugs, they must be brought to justice
and made to see the error of their ways whatever it takes. But so must
the hate-filled idiots armed with iron bars who want to take the law
into their own hands.
Although Ferdie is extreme in many of his comments, there is an underlying
thing that has happened in Australia and that is the social engineering by
many of the latte sipping left loonies.

So far the standard white Australians have been told not to do this or that
because we may be offending the minority in the community. What stupidity
to have kindergartens not to have Christmas presentations because we might
ofend a small minority or have the comment "Happy Christmas" to "Happy
Holidays" and so forth where the Australians whom celebrate Christmas are
denied their culture.

Another example is the Australian humor where we took the mickey out of
another person (and it wasn't personal) is that what made Australians. Paul
Hogan's humor is actually part of that Occer humor. Back then when that
show was aired, one skit called "World Series Wars" gave a humourous side
which used the former Ayatollah Komeni as the enemy side and different
Aussies bowling and batting against him. If that was aired today, the
political correct police would simply blow a fuse.

What has happened is that the Australia identity is slowly becoming eroded
into some sort of soup that the left has called "multi-cultralism". Multi
cultralism does exist very well in Asian countries and of course that you
would know that but what we have in Australia is that in the effort of
multicultralism, the Australian way of life has to be sacrificed.

Many of those Australians who are not racists at all are resenting to change
their life in order to suit a minority and that is very much understandable.
If it was so-called racism, then why didn't the groups attack Chinese and
Vietnamese or the Greek or Italian communities in Sydney? The attack (so
stupidly called) was revenge against the Lebanese because of a few that have
anti-social behaviour which injured a volunteer life saving guard not to
mention the high profile case with the raped girl.

Yes! It is wrong for both sides to create such a fury in Cronulla however
the left winged social engineers also have to share that blame into
attempting to errode the culture of Australians in the aid of
multi-Cultralism especially when some of their forefathers fought to keep it
alive in both wars.
Post by Rifty
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Rifty
2005-12-13 02:05:09 UTC
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Post by LDL
Not aiming to place a blame on a particular.
...particular ethnic group? I know. But I would certainly blame
individuals in that group who have taken their frustrations out on
innocent people on a public beach.

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Post by LDL
I certainy agree and those white who started them on Sunday deserved to be
in jail along as any middle eastern people also causing the violence. They
should be locked together in jail and let them sort each other out.
It did occur to me that there was some virtue in the old system when
young blokes on a Saturday night were out for a punchup. Everyone would
form a ring round the two main protagonists behind the dance hall, and
they'd go for it in a fair fistfight. No kicking anyone when he's down -
once someone was knocked down or cried enough that was it - and the
worst that happened was usually a cut lip or bloody noses and black
eyes. After one or two of those fights everyone went back to being sane
again. The testosterone level stabilised!

Ain't such thing as a fair fight these days - not with knives, iron bars
and bloody baseball bats.
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Whatever Ferdie, and some of the brainless idiots who write to this
group advocating extreme action might say, this is not the entire fault
of one side. For the rapists and thugs, they must be brought to justice
and made to see the error of their ways whatever it takes. But so must
the hate-filled idiots armed with iron bars who want to take the law
into their own hands.
Although Ferdie is extreme in many of his comments, there is an underlying
thing that has happened in Australia and that is the social engineering by
many of the latte sipping left loonies.
I don't see any reason to use that terminology because any of the 'left
loonies' [sic.] have no capacity to make those changes. The social
engineering can only be done by those with power. Guess who that is?
Post by LDL
So far the standard white Australians have been told not to do this or that
because we may be offending the minority in the community.
I would try to avoid offending *anyone* unnecessarily, but if it is
necessary or my practice is reasonable, I would go along with you on
that.
Post by LDL
What stupidity
to have kindergartens not to have Christmas presentations because we might
ofend a small minority or have the comment "Happy Christmas" to "Happy
Holidays" and so forth where the Australians whom celebrate Christmas are
denied their culture.
I don't care if anyone wants to celebrate their religious festivals.
Banning them all to please a few doesn't seem right to me. Just give
everyone a fair go.
Post by LDL
Another example is the Australian humor where we took the mickey out of
another person (and it wasn't personal) is that what made Australians. Paul
Hogan's humor is actually part of that Occer humor. Back then when that
show was aired, one skit called "World Series Wars" gave a humourous side
which used the former Ayatollah Komeni as the enemy side and different
Aussies bowling and batting against him. If that was aired today, the
political correct police would simply blow a fuse.
This really only occurs with Islam, I'm afraid. I don't know of any
other religion that generally speaking won't accept some throwing off at
their icons. We do get some Christians who jump up and down when
something they deem blasphemous is placed in the public arena, but it is
a sacred duty for Muslims to defend their religion, and thus they get
all uptight about anything they think represents a threat. My view is
that everyone has the right to express themselves freely, with due
regard for other people's sensitivities but not to the point where they
dictate what I can or can't do. We all do that in other areas of life,
surely - try to take into account other people's sensitivities as far as
reasonable.
Post by LDL
What has happened is that the Australia identity is slowly becoming eroded
into some sort of soup that the left has called "multi-cultralism". Multi
cultralism does exist very well in Asian countries and of course that you
would know that but what we have in Australia is that in the effort of
multicultralism, the Australian way of life has to be sacrificed.
Here's where you start to come unstuck. 'The Australian way of life' is
not something static. It changes all the time, and generally, we accept
what we hardly notice as change. I'm sure you'll agree that *some* of
the additions to the Oz way of life since the 50s have been improvements
- in cuisine if nothing else (let's leave Maccas and KFC out of this for
a minute...)! We haven't had to make any real sacrifices until
comparatively recently, and that's mainly because the rate of change,
and the direction of change since 9/11 have created previously unheard
of tensions. These are the things we have to face squarely, and there's
no point in hearkening back to values that will not return. That's
beating your head against a brick wall and only causing frustration. The
future deserves better than looking back to a past that can never be
recreated.
Post by LDL
Many of those Australians who are not racists at all are resenting to change
their life in order to suit a minority and that is very much understandable.
If it was so-called racism, then why didn't the groups attack Chinese and
Vietnamese or the Greek or Italian communities in Sydney? The attack (so
stupidly called) was revenge against the Lebanese because of a few that have
anti-social behaviour which injured a volunteer life saving guard not to
mention the high profile case with the raped girl.
There are obvious triggers for these events, such as resentment against
disgraceful anti-social behaviour by a few who are identifiably from one
community. But we have been forced into a climate of fear and ignorance
about the Middle Eastern community in particular not only by these sorts
of events but by the international events that have shaped this first
decade of the 21st century.
Post by LDL
Yes! It is wrong for both sides to create such a fury in Cronulla however
the left winged social engineers also have to share that blame into
attempting to errode the culture of Australians in the aid of
multi-Cultralism especially when some of their forefathers fought to keep it
alive in both wars.
My father and grandfather fought in World Wars for an Australia where
people were free to practice their lifestyle within the law, in any way
they liked and which did not harm to other people. That's why I keep
coming back to the best leveller here - the law. If it's working
properly (and I know it has flaws), it doesn't distinguish between
people with olive complexion and those who are white.

I repeat that this new situation is very dangerous for our country and
it must be handled sensibly. The hotheads and those who spread
disinformation on either side are the greatest enemies the Australian
way of life has.

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Rifty
2005-12-13 07:00:15 UTC
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The problem here is exactly how long does one wait for the rapists and
thugs to be brought to justice?
This is a very good question. The only answer has to be good policing -
good persistence, intelligence and surveillance. That means money. We as
taxpayers have to be prepared to pay for this form of security.
This has been brewing for 10 years, Leb
gangs routinely drag girls into cars and bash any white boy they see
alone. Just how long do you expect this to be allowed to continue before
whole suburbs gang together? The Cronulla youths aren't blind. They see
who's causing the trouble, they notice nobody is doing enough to stop it
they gang together and then white supremacists capitalise on the whole
thing.
Yes, I believe there's a lot of truth in what you are saying here. There
*is* a youth problem in that community, and it has some unique
characteristics. Anyone who says there's not is blind. There are
alienated youths in that community who need to understand they are not a
law unto themselves. But that can only be done in the longer term with
the cooperation of the community from which these youths come.
NSW needs a law banning more than 2 males in a car at anytime between
6pm on fridays to 6am on Monday morning.
Well, if you want the bikies involved, that's certainly the way to do
it! Two males to a vehicle is no problem for them... :)

Action on this matter has to be firm, clear and most of all, fair and
*seen* to be fair.

Rifty
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artie morty
2005-12-13 10:09:22 UTC
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The problem here is exactly how long does one wait for the rapists and
thugs to be brought to justice?
This is a very good question. The only answer has to be good policing -
good persistence, intelligence and surveillance. That means money. We as
taxpayers have to be prepared to pay for this form of security.
This has been brewing for 10 years, Leb
gangs routinely drag girls into cars and bash any white boy they see
alone. Just how long do you expect this to be allowed to continue before
whole suburbs gang together? The Cronulla youths aren't blind. They see
who's causing the trouble, they notice nobody is doing enough to stop it
they gang together and then white supremacists capitalise on the whole
thing.
Yes, I believe there's a lot of truth in what you are saying here. There
*is* a youth problem in that community, and it has some unique
characteristics. Anyone who says there's not is blind. There are
alienated youths in that community who need to understand they are not a
law unto themselves. But that can only be done in the longer term with
the cooperation of the community from which these youths come.
NSW needs a law banning more than 2 males in a car at anytime between
6pm on fridays to 6am on Monday morning.
Well, if you want the bikies involved, that's certainly the way to do
it! Two males to a vehicle is no problem for them... :)
Action on this matter has to be firm, clear and most of all, fair and
*seen* to be fair.
Rifty
Hey Rifty - I have some great Greek and Italian friends.

And I never think of them as anything but Australian.

Yet they tell me of problems their great grandparents and grandparents
had trying to assimilate into Oz culture. Even their parents found
some things hard. Nothing like this current gang violence and hatred
of our way of life and people, just the difference in Oz and Ethnic
cultures, and the obvious problems that comes with imigration and
integration.

And that is one point.

The Oz way of life is easy going and unique - and it may be difficult
to merge into.

It took the Greeks and Italians a number of generations to feel
comfortable as Australians - and now can you imagine Oz without the
benefits they have given to us (the food alone is worth it).

Could it be that the middle eastern culture will eventually mix with
Australian.

Or are they so different that one or the other of us will be destroyed
before it is given a chance.

Face it, 3 or 4 generations is a long time to live with this violence.
We did it with the Greeks, Italians and others, but Australia never
had to put up with the hatred against us that now exists in our own
country, from people we have invited to share our land.

Hell of a situation - is the eventual gain, if any, worth the anguish
we are now enduring?

Cheers
Artie
Eunometic
2005-12-13 12:09:35 UTC
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Face it, 3 or 4 generations is a long time to live with this violence.
We did it with the Greeks, Italians and others, but Australia never
had to put up with the hatred against us that now exists in our own
country, from people we have invited to share our land.
The difference between Greek and Italian migrants and Lebanese is this.

Greeks and Italians actually had crime rates less than half of the
Australian average.
The European migrants of the 1950s in fact had 100th the crime rate.

The Lebanese of the 1970s have overall crime rates several times
higher. Drug related crime was some 20 times higher.

This was unprecedented in any other migrant group.

The latter lebanese are not like earlier Greek, Italian, European
Lebanese immigrants that were carefully selected on the basis of skills
or need in the Australian economy: they came in as quasi refugees.
They neither came in as migrants from a country with already well
established ethnic and religious conflict. Nor did they meet the same
immigration standards other migrants had to meet.

They also aren't a european with neither a European cultural heritigae
or religious heritage that will make assimilation easy. Christian
Lebanese, who because of their sophisticated heritage are now far
outnumbered by muslim in both their own country and Australia.
Rifty
2005-12-13 12:06:35 UTC
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Hey Rifty - I have some great Greek and Italian friends.
My daughter is married to a very nice wog boy!
Post by artie morty
And I never think of them as anything but Australian.
Ditto for him. How come Ferdie doesn't regard this as multiculturalism?
Oh, that's right. He doesn't believe they did anything but integrate
seamlessly. He just rewrites the definition of multi-culti to suit
himself.
Post by artie morty
Yet they tell me of problems their great grandparents and grandparents
had trying to assimilate into Oz culture. Even their parents found
some things hard. Nothing like this current gang violence and hatred
of our way of life and people, just the difference in Oz and Ethnic
cultures, and the obvious problems that comes with imigration and
integration.
Yes, though as I think you and any other reasonable person would agree,
there can be special problems of assimilation between people of mutually
exclusive religions. Most Europeans were of Christian heritage and that
makes a difference.
Post by artie morty
And that is one point.
The Oz way of life is easy going and unique - and it may be difficult
to merge into.
Each group has to make cultural concessions. *Each* group.
Post by artie morty
It took the Greeks and Italians a number of generations to feel
comfortable as Australians - and now can you imagine Oz without the
benefits they have given to us (the food alone is worth it).
Yes.
Post by artie morty
Could it be that the middle eastern culture will eventually mix with
Australian.
Or are they so different that one or the other of us will be destroyed
before it is given a chance.
That's the point that obviously worries people on both sides. Clearly we
are not going to get full integration as long as Islam and people of
other (or no) faith are part of the mix, but is full integration a
requirement of national identity? It cannot be, otherwise the Jews who
have lived with Christians and others in this country could not have
lived peacefully side by side with each other as they have all that
time. So it is not a requirement - what is required is respect for each
other's right to hold differing beliefs as long as they don't violate
our legal system. [It is interesting, for example, that Muslims here do
not insist on a legal right in this country to have up to 4 wives, even
though that is acceptable to Islamic belief. They cannot legally do so
here.] Therefore it is obvious that they have already made sensible
compromises with the existing culture and should have no objection to
other sensible compromises if required. The Muslims I work with show
constantly that they make sensible compromises when it comes to
schooling and in many other ways that they would not need to make if
they lived under sharia law. BUT when we try to *force* them to do
something that they have not had the chance to discuss and agree on,
then they dig their heels in. Not surprising. Nor would I.
Post by artie morty
Face it, 3 or 4 generations is a long time to live with this violence.
3 days is too long to live with it. It's got to be nipped in the bud.
This is not what we are about as a nation, and that's why I say shame to
the firebrands on both sides and shame to those on this newsgroup who
try to pour petrol on the flames instead of water.
Post by artie morty
We did it with the Greeks, Italians and others, but Australia never
had to put up with the hatred against us that now exists in our own
country, from people we have invited to share our land.
That works both ways, remember. Anyone who blames one side exclusively
has their head in the sand. We have traditionally expected the migrant
communities to make nearly *all* the concessions and us to make none. We
are dealing with one community here that doesn't make certain types of
concessions when it comes to fundamental points and if we have accepted
them as migrants then we should have been prepared to accept that in the
first place.
Post by artie morty
Hell of a situation - is the eventual gain, if any, worth the anguish
we are now enduring?
It's not a mattter of gain or loss. We have a situation that is not
going to go away. All these statements about people going back where
they came from are pointless and meaningless, because Australia is the
home for most of them and they are not going anyway. I have a real
problem with anyone who declares they hate this country and do not
respect it, even though they choose to live here. They definitely don't
belong here if they feel that way and they should consider migrating
somewhere they feel more comfortable, If they don't want to do that,
then they have a duty to try to change their attitude - there are plenty
of people willing to help them do that.

It needs cool heads, a rational approach, some genuine awareness of the
needs and priorities of each other's lifestyles, and a willingness to
accept the other, providing each does not interfere with what the other
can do legitimately with their lives. Anything else is doomed to
miserable failure.

Rifty
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Jonathon
2005-12-13 02:30:08 UTC
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Post by Rifty
Whatever Ferdie, and some of the brainless idiots who write to this
group advocating extreme action might say, this is not the entire fault
of one side. For the rapists and thugs, they must be brought to justice
and made to see the error of their ways whatever it takes. But so must
the hate-filled idiots armed with iron bars who want to take the law
into their own hands.
The problem here is exactly how long does one wait for the rapists and
thugs to be brought to justice? This has been brewing for 10 years, Leb
gangs routinely drag girls into cars and bash any white boy they see
alone. Just how long do you expect this to be allowed to continue before
whole suburbs gang together? The Cronulla youths aren't blind. They see
who's causing the trouble, they notice nobody is doing enough to stop it
they gang together and then white supremacists capitalise on the whole
thing.

NSW needs a law banning more than 2 males in a car at anytime between
6pm on fridays to 6am on Monday morning.
Gregory Shearman
2005-12-12 21:58:55 UTC
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Post by Rifty
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".

Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
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Sunny
2005-12-12 22:54:41 UTC
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Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".
Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
Like you blame the whole of white Australia for your, crocodile tears,
crimes against the aboriginals ?
Why don't you find an unoccupied piece of dirt and claim it as your very own
?
Jonathon
2005-12-13 02:19:19 UTC
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Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".
You clearly have never spent any decent amount of time in Sydney over
the last ten years.
Post by Gregory Shearman
Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
Seems you're very eager to blame all of 'white' australia yourself..
You're guilty of the same selective outrage you accuse others of.
The problem of Lebanese Muslim gangs in Sydney is very very real. The
white supremacists know it and are using it to further their own agenda.
If we don't get our heads out of the sand quickly this is all going to
get worse.
Gregory Shearman
2005-12-13 10:18:19 UTC
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Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".
You clearly have never spent any decent amount of time in Sydney over
the last ten years.
I'm glad I live 160kms up the road. I didn't know that living in Sydney
turned you into a racist.

Some lebs may be both rapists and racists, but not ALL lebs. See the
distinction?
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
Seems you're very eager to blame all of 'white' australia yourself..
They were the ones on the beach doing the bashing... bashing anyone with a
dark face... if any of those at the beach had dark faces they would have
been surrounded and bashed. Those at the beach did the selecting, not I.
Post by Jonathon
You're guilty of the same selective outrage you accuse others of.
I didn't select the victims, the white crowd did that. Anyone with a dark
face was attacked.
Post by Jonathon
The problem of Lebanese Muslim gangs in Sydney is very very real. The
white supremacists know it and are using it to further their own agenda.
If we don't get our heads out of the sand quickly this is all going to
get worse.
Your opinions are irrelevant.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
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Jonathon
2005-12-13 15:31:06 UTC
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Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".
You clearly have never spent any decent amount of time in Sydney over
the last ten years.
I'm glad I live 160kms up the road. I didn't know that living in Sydney
turned you into a racist.
It appears living 160k up the road certainly does.
Post by Gregory Shearman
Some lebs may be both rapists and racists, but not ALL lebs. See the
distinction?
I never said all Lebs did. Please quote me where I made such a claim.
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
Seems you're very eager to blame all of 'white' australia yourself..
They were the ones on the beach doing the bashing
All of white Australia was on the beach doing the bashing?

Doesn't it even slightly interest you that the bashing followed years of
bashings by Lebanese Muslim gangs against the locals at Cronulla? ..
those bashings don't outrage you to the same extent? You hate women so
much you think they should be subjected to abuse every time they catch a
train or walk down the street?
Post by Gregory Shearman
... bashing anyone with a
dark face... if any of those at the beach had dark faces they would have
been surrounded and bashed. Those at the beach did the selecting, not I.
I watched the tv footage of those riots, many of the rioters were dark
skinned themselves, a number of islanders and Maori were in there as
well.
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
You're guilty of the same selective outrage you accuse others of.
I didn't select the victims, the white crowd did that. Anyone with a dark
face was attacked.
You are selectively outraged by only those crimes, you are simply not
concerned at all with the crimes being committed by Lebanese Muslim
gangs.
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
The problem of Lebanese Muslim gangs in Sydney is very very real. The
white supremacists know it and are using it to further their own agenda.
If we don't get our heads out of the sand quickly this is all going to
get worse.
Your opinions are irrelevant.
I'm telling you fact not opinion.. this is the reality of people living
in Sydney's eastern and inner western suburbs. They can't ignore it
because it's in their face and posturing by you won't change the fact
they're being abused daily by Leb Muslim gangs.
Gregory Shearman
2005-12-13 21:43:57 UTC
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Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years
ago here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".
You clearly have never spent any decent amount of time in Sydney over
the last ten years.
I'm glad I live 160kms up the road. I didn't know that living in Sydney
turned you into a racist.
It appears living 160k up the road certainly does.
Post by Gregory Shearman
Some lebs may be both rapists and racists, but not ALL lebs. See the
distinction?
I never said all Lebs did. Please quote me where I made such a claim.
========================
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by LDL
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".
You clearly have never spent any decent amount of time in Sydney over
the last ten years.
=========================

I'm sorry, but the implication is there for all to see. Apparently "the
lebs" go around raping girls and saying it is the girls' fault....

"the lebs" means ALL lebs.
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
Seems you're very eager to blame all of 'white' australia yourself..
They were the ones on the beach doing the bashing
All of white Australia was on the beach doing the bashing?
When white Australians wrap themselves in the Australian flag... singing
"Waltzing Matilda" while they bash anyone with a dark face... tell me, whom
do you think THEY think they are representing?

All Australia was not there, but these thugs believe they represent
Australia and THAT'S HOW THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL SEE IT.
Post by Jonathon
Doesn't it even slightly interest you that the bashing followed years of
bashings by Lebanese Muslim gangs against the locals at Cronulla? ..
So, you are trying to excuse the disgusting racial violence that shamed our
country... by blaming a few bashings by a few thugs????

I suppose you ignore the bashings by WHITE thugs... only concentrating on
bashings by those of ME appearance....

Now, "the Lebs" will try to use the excuse for THEIR violence on the horrid
bashings and racism displayed on Sunday...

...and the cycle of violence spins out of control.
Post by Jonathon
those bashings don't outrage you to the same extent? You hate women so
much you think they should be subjected to abuse every time they catch a
train or walk down the street?
...again ignoring the taunts of Australians "show as ya tiiiiits"... come on
now.. you are the one being selective here.

"Protecting our women"...

Bullshit... more excuses for racism and violence...
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
... bashing anyone with a
dark face... if any of those at the beach had dark faces they would have
been surrounded and bashed. Those at the beach did the selecting, not I.
I watched the tv footage of those riots, many of the rioters were dark
skinned themselves, a number of islanders and Maori were in there as
well.
Were they??? Could have fooled me...
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
I didn't select the victims, the white crowd did that. Anyone with a dark
face was attacked.
You are selectively outraged by only those crimes, you are simply not
concerned at all with the crimes being committed by Lebanese Muslim
gangs.
Those didn't make the INTERNATIONAL NEWS... of COURSE I'm outraged.... I
would like to visit Lebanon one of these days...

You are being selective in ignoring the violence caused by gangs of ANY
race... other than "the lebs".
Post by Jonathon
I'm telling you fact not opinion.. this is the reality of people living
in Sydney's eastern and inner western suburbs. They can't ignore it
because it's in their face and posturing by you won't change the fact
they're being abused daily by Leb Muslim gangs.
I'm telling you that your racism is exposed for everyone to see.
Unfortunately, you seem to be ignorant of it. Perhaps you should take a
step back and review your irrelevant opinions.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
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Jonathon
2005-12-13 22:28:14 UTC
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Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Neither did the "lebs".
You clearly have never spent any decent amount of time in Sydney over
the last ten years.
=========================
I'm sorry, but the implication is there for all to see. Apparently "the
lebs" go around raping girls and saying it is the girls' fault....
"the lebs" means ALL lebs.
No it doesn't. I've repeatedly referred to these thugs as "Lebanese
Muslim gangs" THAT'S who I refer to! 'the lebs' was you're statement not
mine..if you intended it to refer to all people of Lebanese descent you
should have stated that.
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
Seems you're very eager to blame all of 'white' australia yourself..
They were the ones on the beach doing the bashing
All of white Australia was on the beach doing the bashing?
When white Australians wrap themselves in the Australian flag... singing
"Waltzing Matilda" while they bash anyone with a dark face... tell me, whom
do you think THEY think they are representing?
All Australia was not there, but these thugs believe they represent
Australia and THAT'S HOW THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL SEE IT.
This is absolutely the height of hypocrisy! You are the reflected image
of those white supremacists capitalising on the issue with their own
agendas and every bit as bad. When Lebanese men gang rape women while
proclaiming their nationality and religion who in hell do you reckon
they believe they are representing? Why is it so acceptable for you to
tar all of Australia with the same brush but you take so much offence if
anyone does the same to ... 'THE LEBS' ????

It is perfectly clear to all you are in no way interested in debating
the issues and seeking common ground. you are every bit the racist you
profess to take so much offence at. good day to you.
Gregory Shearman
2005-12-14 21:26:55 UTC
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Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
Neither did the "lebs".
You clearly have never spent any decent amount of time in Sydney
over the last ten years.
=========================
I'm sorry, but the implication is there for all to see. Apparently "the
lebs" go around raping girls and saying it is the girls' fault....
"the lebs" means ALL lebs.
No it doesn't. I've repeatedly referred to these thugs as "Lebanese
Muslim gangs" THAT'S who I refer to! 'the lebs' was you're statement not
mine..if you intended it to refer to all people of Lebanese descent you
should have stated that.
"the lebs" means ALL lebs.

I don't care what you say you've "repeatedly" referred...

You are VERY selective in your targets... "muslim gangs" outrage you to the
point of supporting the disgusting racist violence on Sunday, but other
"gangs" are OK by you....

That certainly sounds like a racist attitude to me.
Post by Jonathon
Post by Gregory Shearman
When white Australians wrap themselves in the Australian flag... singing
"Waltzing Matilda" while they bash anyone with a dark face... tell me,
whom do you think THEY think they are representing?
All Australia was not there, but these thugs believe they represent
Australia and THAT'S HOW THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL SEE IT.
This is absolutely the height of hypocrisy! You are the reflected image
of those white supremacists capitalising on the issue with their own
agendas and every bit as bad. When Lebanese men gang rape women while
proclaiming their nationality and religion who in hell do you reckon
they believe they are representing? Why is it so acceptable for you to
tar all of Australia with the same brush but you take so much offence if
anyone does the same to ... 'THE LEBS' ????
Look, you are having difficulty communicating your racist views.

Racist rapists??? Who'd have thought such a thing existed??? As you can
see.. a racist rapist causes ALL others of his nationality to be tarred
with the same brush BY YOU AND YOUR ILK.

Australians HAVE ALL BEEN TARRED WITH THE SAME BRUSH.... THE NEWS REPORT OF
THIS HIDEOUS MOB VIOLENCE WENT AROUND THE WORLD.
Post by Jonathon
It is perfectly clear to all you are in no way interested in debating
the issues and seeking common ground. you are every bit the racist you
profess to take so much offence at. good day to you.
That's right... call me a racist and run away. I'm not sorry you have
problems communicating your racist ideology. We don't need this racism.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
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LDL
2005-12-13 06:33:24 UTC
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Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by LDL
Post by Rifty
Exactly what they were saying about Greeks and Italians 40 years ago
here in good old Oz....
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".
I was comparing the gangs and still none of the Greeks or Italian gangs
terrorised ordinary Australians in the manner of what the Lebanese gangs
did. Some people in Williamstown beach have been whistles at and harrassed
to the point that they leave so in effect it is happening unfortunately here
in Melbourne.
Post by Gregory Shearman
Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
Not everyone is blaming the whole race and it is rather stupid to do so
however there is a continuing rise in the crime rates coming from Middle
Eastern background.

http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581
Post by Gregory Shearman
Regards,
Gregory.
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Gregory Shearman
2005-12-13 10:26:12 UTC
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Post by LDL
Not everyone is blaming the whole race and it is rather stupid to do so
however there is a continuing rise in the crime rates coming from Middle
Eastern background.
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581
Oh Puhlease... not Priest AGAIN!!!

If you have ANY evidence of rising crime from ME community... as opposed to
poor communities then present it.. but don't quote Priest at me... bloody
coppers are not immune to racism.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
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Hunter1
2005-12-17 03:55:58 UTC
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Post by LDL
But the Greeks and the Italians never went around raping girls and then
saying that it's the girls fault. Althouth there were gangs they never
terrorised the average Australian. They only fought when fought upon.
Neither did the "lebs".
Only the RAPISTS said such rubbish and yet racists fail to see the
distinction and blame a whole fucking RACE for the crimes of a few.
The rapists were Lebanese racists. Those that blame all Lebanese-descent
people for this are also racist. Those that try to pretend that those
rapists were not a racist Lebanese rape gang are also racists, purely in
the point that they'll only ever accuse white's of being racist and are
too blind and/or ignorant and/or deceitful to acknowledge that any other
people than white people can and will produce their own racist gangs.

<restored all of the groups that you intentionally removed from the
followup. You're well-known for slyly setting up your posts so that you
get the last say, but I'm not playing your game>

d***@hotmail.com
2005-12-12 07:39:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eunometic
There is normally and ugliness associated with mobs.
Yes....
Post by Eunometic
I say however that the mob in Cronulla is exactly what we needed<snip>
No....
Post by Eunometic
Government elites, lunar multiculturalists have been content to indugle
and ignore the atrocious behaviour of what seems to be mainly muslim
boys, they are frustrated having their suburbs turned into little
middle easts complete with burquaed women, kaftaned mullahs and gangs
that seem more like Beirut paramilitary group than teenagers.
There have been riots in Macquarie Fields, Redfern, and Cronulla this
year. The only common point seems to be that the participants are
primarily uneducated & economically disadvantaged.
Post by Eunometic
You'd have to be a blinkered fool to pretend that muslim youth haven't
become a problem in Australia yet we seem to have plenty of such idiots
around.
"some muslim youth" would be more accurate.
Post by Eunometic
They are indignant at seeing themselves and their children driven into
ever more impossibly expenisve housing in hoter drier suburbs further
and further out west that are devoid of recreational opportunities, far
from work and lacking in infrastructure.
Migration (both from overseas & from elsewhere in Oz) has had
practically nothing to do with inflation in house prices in Cronulla
and other coastal areas. If you want to look for scapegoats, start with
capital gains tax exemptions, negative gearing & housing policy in
general .
Post by Eunometic
I remember that Cronulla was an easy going happy suburb, people from
the "Shire" are particularly proud of their area and want to preserve
it.
I grew up in Parramatta. It is a different place today of course. Times
change and for the most part it has been for the better, as it has been
for the rest of Sydney.
Post by Eunometic
The mob was the only and the inevitable answer. Let us rejoice at
that.
Let us rejoice my arse. Cronulla is a public beach, accessed by a
public railway. The couple who were strolling along the lower walkway
of the Wall, should have the right to be able to move freely without
having a mob of drunken lunatics force them to seek refuge in a police
paddy wagon. It is a disgrace that the 17 or so year old boy (a
Cronulla resident) was bashed and couldn't swim at his local beach
because of his "middle eastern appearance". Regardless of where their
parents or grandparents were born, people should have the right to
enjoy a public beach. The actions of the mob are as unforgivable as
those who conducted the unprovoked attack on the lifesavers the
previous week. Police had already arrested one of the culprits of the
earlier attack, now its time to arrest some of that mob. Round them up
and press charges of assault.

Regards Declan
Rifty
2005-12-12 09:50:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Let us rejoice my arse. Cronulla is a public beach, accessed by a
public railway. The couple who were strolling along the lower walkway
of the Wall, should have the right to be able to move freely without
having a mob of drunken lunatics force them to seek refuge in a police
paddy wagon. It is a disgrace that the 17 or so year old boy (a
Cronulla resident) was bashed and couldn't swim at his local beach
because of his "middle eastern appearance". Regardless of where their
parents or grandparents were born, people should have the right to
enjoy a public beach. The actions of the mob are as unforgivable as
those who conducted the unprovoked attack on the lifesavers the
previous week. Police had already arrested one of the culprits of the
earlier attack, now its time to arrest some of that mob. Round them up
and press charges of assault.
Agree with you 100%. Round up ALL of those on each 'side' who are there
to make trouble. It's not Australian to threaten and beat up innocent
people. That's the bottom line.

Rifty
--
Academic and Computing Help
http://rifty.net
Kwyjibo
2005-12-12 13:55:19 UTC
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Post by d***@hotmail.com
There have been riots in Macquarie Fields, Redfern, and Cronulla this
year. The only common point seems to be that the participants are
primarily uneducated & economically disadvantaged.
The other common point is that they all occurred in NSW.
What sort of fucked up state are they running there?
--
Kwyj
d***@hotmail.com
2005-12-12 15:32:47 UTC
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Post by Kwyjibo
Post by d***@hotmail.com
There have been riots in Macquarie Fields, Redfern, and Cronulla this
year. The only common point seems to be that the participants are
primarily uneducated & economically disadvantaged.
The other common point is that they all occurred in NSW.
What sort of fucked up state are they running there?
A fucked up state? Possibly. The straight line borders and makeup of
NSW and the other states exist only as accidents of pre-industrial
history. More precisely, the "other common point is that they all
occurred in..." the only place in Oz that is a genuinely large city. If
some resemblance of common sense doesn't intervene, then perhaps if
given 20 years or so Melbourne or Brisbane might be large enough for
this kind of bullshit. OTOH we are not likely to have riots in
Wangaratta.

Regards Declan
Beautiful Femur
2005-12-12 17:30:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kwyjibo
Post by d***@hotmail.com
There have been riots in Macquarie Fields, Redfern, and Cronulla this
year. The only common point seems to be that the participants are
primarily uneducated & economically disadvantaged.
The other common point is that they all occurred in NSW.
What sort of fucked up state are they running there?
the redfern riots were last year. but i agree - pple of the shire are
uneducated.
e***@yahoo.com.au
2005-12-12 21:26:38 UTC
Permalink
simple answer - Morris Iemma is Premier and Carl Scully is Police
Minister - both are spineless idiots.
Hunter1
2005-12-17 03:30:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kwyjibo
Post by d***@hotmail.com
There have been riots in Macquarie Fields, Redfern, and Cronulla this
year. The only common point seems to be that the participants are
primarily uneducated & economically disadvantaged.
The other common point is that they all occurred in NSW.
What sort of fucked up state are they running there?
Good point, I think WANTSA is starting to sound better and better, but
then again lets see what happens this weekend first....
Eunometic
2005-12-13 07:18:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
There is normally and ugliness associated with mobs.
Yes....
Post by Eunometic
I say however that the mob in Cronulla is exactly what we needed<snip>
No....
Post by Eunometic
Government elites, lunar multiculturalists have been content to indugle
and ignore the atrocious behaviour of what seems to be mainly muslim
boys, they are frustrated having their suburbs turned into little
middle easts complete with burquaed women, kaftaned mullahs and gangs
that seem more like Beirut paramilitary group than teenagers.
There have been riots in Macquarie Fields, Redfern, and Cronulla this
year. The only common point seems to be that the participants are
primarily uneducated & economically disadvantaged.
Cronulla is a relatively affluent area.
Those arrested are not all from Cronulla, and when they appear in
Sutherland Local Court we will learn their occupations. Surely you
aren't suggesting that the photograph of the drunken yobbo trying to
smash a beer bottle over a policeman's head was depicting an accountant
or a local dentist?
There were non locals there but there were plenty of resentments by
locals of all social class
and educational strata.
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
You'd have to be a blinkered fool to pretend that muslim youth haven't
become a problem in Australia yet we seem to have plenty of such idiots
around.
"some muslim youth" would be more accurate.
A minority for sure but a considerable number out of proportion to
their numbers.
More conjecture.
Nonsense. We stopped keeping ABS statistics in 1998 of ethniciticy vs
crime rates because politically correct imbeciles didn't like what it
was telling us.

Graphs and data here:
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=991
http://www.pnc.com.au/~rjjcrane/

We do however have some confidential police statistics and by all
reports they show a major problem that has been ignored or glossed over
with platitudes as a second generation of disaffected lebanese youth
come of age.
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
They are indignant at seeing themselves and their children driven into
ever more impossibly expenisve housing in hoter drier suburbs further
and further out west that are devoid of recreational opportunities, far
from work and lacking in infrastructure.
Migration (both from overseas & from elsewhere in Oz) has had
practically nothing to do with inflation in house prices in Cronulla
and other coastal areas.
If you want to look for scapegoats, start with
capital gains tax exemptions, negative gearing & housing policy in
general.
What a load of shyte. By making that statement "nothing to do whatever"
you loose all credibillity.
I didn't make the statement "nothing to do whatever" - those
parentheses are yours. If you are able to quote and reference any
empirical evidence suggesting that Sydney's coastal housing prices
(that have appreciated far faster than the immigration rates or the
CPI) have anything to do with migration then just do so.
Here is a chart of housing price movement in constant 2000 prices from
1970:
<http://www.afsd.com.au/article/aip/aip32a.htm>


The big change was however the 1960s. Average housing price in Sydney
was equal to 42 weeks of average male weekly earnings. It is now 5.5
years and only made affordable by putting spouses into the workforce.
(hence a drop in birth rates)

"Population Growth The previous boom in house prices arrived shortly
after strong rises in the population 18 years old and permanent
settler arrivals (Chart 3.4)."
<http://www.foreseechange.com/houtlook0303.pdf>


The big unspeakable reasult is this; High immigration is not benefical

but harmfull to those people in Australia already:
<http://www.ipa.org.au/MediaMonitoring/articles/Bettsinterview.pdf>

Note that housing price increase are no longer incorporated fully under
CPI increases.
A sneeky statistical change engineered under Howard.
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
The mob was the only and the inevitable answer. Let us rejoice at
that.
Let us rejoice my arse. Cronulla is a public beach, accessed by a
public railway. The couple who were strolling along the lower walkway
of the Wall, should have the right to be able to move freely without
having a mob of drunken lunatics force them to seek refuge in a police
paddy wagon. It is a disgrace that the 17 or so year old boy (a
Cronulla resident) was bashed and couldn't swim at his local beach
because of his "middle eastern appearance".
Quite, when I went to school in the are(a,) we had fair proportion of other
races. We pretty much go(t) along and went out together. Times have
changed: most Lebanese now come from suburbs where there
are little to no 'aussies' and most are now not descended
from the finer stratum of Lebanese society but from people who
didn't qualify as migrants but got in as quasi refugees. (quasi
because of no humanitarian resttlement funds)
Interesting grammar mate. Can you write that again in English?
I've corrected it by deleting a line I'd intended to edit out.
I grew up in Parramatta. At high school there were about 60 ethnicities
represented in the student body, about 15% of whom were Lebanese
(mostly Maronites). We studied Arabic for 6 months in Year 7 as part of
the language requirement of the curriculum. The only ugly racial
incident I recall was in Year 9, when an Australian born kid whose
parents were Lebanese called a South African born friend of mine a
"black cunt", and got punched for his trouble. Next day his older
brothers came to the school and beat the shit out of my friend, putting
him in Westmead hospital. The police sorted it out, and my friend
changed schools. What happened in Cronulla on the weekend isn't
anything new. Nothing ever really changes.
Arabs have a 'clan' mentaility. They are a consanguinous culture and
clannish culture.
They will avenge a relative.

WESTERN MIDDLE-EASTERN


Kinship System
Bilateral; Unilineal
Weakly Strongly
Patricentric Patricentric



Family System
Simple Household; Extended Family;
Joint
Household;

Marriage Practices
Exogamous Endogamous,



Consanguineous
Monogamous Polygynous

Marriage Psychology:
Companinate Utillitarian
Based on Mutual Based on
Consent & Affection Strategizing
& control
of
Kinship
Group.


Position of Women:
Relatively High Relatively Low


Social Structure
Individualistic; Collectivistic

Leaders:
Republican; Authoritarian;
Democratic Charismatic

Ethnocentrism:
Relatively Low Relatively High;

Xenophobia:
Relatively Low Relatively High

Socialization:
Stresses
Independence, Stresses Ingroup
Self-Reliance Identification and
Obligations to
Kinship
Group
Intellectual Stance:
Reason; Dogmatism;
Science Charismatic
Submission to
Ingroup Authority


Moral Stance:
Moral Universalism: Moral Particularism;
Morality Independent Ingroup/Outgroup
of Group Affiliation Morality
(kaffir/gentile)


This Middle Eastern tendency toward hyper-collectivism and
hyper-ethnocentrism;a phenomenon that goes a long way toward
explaining the chronic hostilities in the area.
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Regardless of where their
parents or grandparents were born, people should have the right to
enjoy a public beach. The actions of the mob are as unforgivable as
those who conducted the unprovoked attack on the lifesavers the
previous week. Police had already arrested one of the culprits of the
earlier attack, now its time to arrest some of that mob. Round them up
and press charges of assault.
Once you activated the natural protective group mentality all your
rights matter nought. Our idiotic politicians let it get to that.
Yeah right. A largely bi-partisan policy over the last 40 years is
idiocy, and yet at the same time it is all Al Grassby's fault in your
view.
Bipartisanship is totall idiocy as the policy has never been subject to
debate.
Police are useless. In the face of the large anti-social gangsta
culture that has developed in mainly lebanese muslim youth there
appears no way back. You can't possibly find enough police or given
them enough powers to restore the relative freedom and ease we once
had.
Mob rule will ensure that there will never be any freedom or ease for
anyone. It is hardly a solution. Back the police. If it isn't possible
to have sufficient numbers of police on the beach, then as with other
leisure and entertainment areas security guards should be hired and
paid for on a user pays principle. No vigilantes.
Terrorism works, mobs get often results. Its ugly but its the truth.
Best way is to
let it not get that way. There is NO way this would have happened had
the
immigration program been say 50% of what it was or if the police had of
been able
to nip gansta loutism in the bud 5-10 years ago.
Regards Declan
d***@hotmail.com
2005-12-13 11:19:47 UTC
Permalink
<snip>
Post by Eunometic
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
You'd have to be a blinkered fool to pretend that muslim youth haven't
become a problem in Australia yet we seem to have plenty of such idiots
around.
"some muslim youth" would be more accurate.
A minority for sure but a considerable number out of proportion to
their numbers.
More conjecture.
Nonsense. We stopped keeping ABS statistics in 1998 of ethniciticy vs
crime rates because politically correct imbeciles didn't like what it
was telling us.
Or to be precise, because the data wasn't telling us anything of use.
See below.
Post by Eunometic
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=991
http://www.pnc.com.au/~rjjcrane/
I read Dick Crane's letters from time to time. I don't know much about
him but hope that he is better with polyps than he is with statistics.
The methodology underpinning his graphs and data is flawed as age is
not considered. Of course the rate of convictions amongst Vietnamese
born is going to be higher than the Yugoslavians who arrived earlier,
who in turn naturally have a higher rate of convictions than Greeks who
arrived earlier, etc etc. And why are Greek born residents far less
likely to be convicted of crimes than Australian born residents???
Because on average they are much older than Australian born residents.
Collecting data on place of birth, instead of collating postcode,
occupation, income, education levels etc is a waste of taxpayers money.
Post by Eunometic
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Migration (both from overseas & from elsewhere in Oz) has had
practically nothing to do with inflation in house prices in Cronulla
and other coastal areas.
If you want to look for scapegoats, start with
capital gains tax exemptions, negative gearing & housing policy in
general.
What a load of shyte. By making that statement "nothing to do whatever"
you loose all credibillity.
I didn't make the statement "nothing to do whatever" - those
parentheses are yours. If you are able to quote and reference any
empirical evidence suggesting that Sydney's coastal housing prices
(that have appreciated far faster than the immigration rates or the
CPI) have anything to do with migration then just do so.
Here is a chart of housing price movement in constant 2000 prices from
<http://www.afsd.com.au/article/aip/aip32a.htm>
The big change was however the 1960s. Average housing price in Sydney
was equal to 42 weeks of average male weekly earnings. It is now 5.5
years and only made affordable by putting spouses into the workforce.
"Population Growth The previous boom in house prices arrived shortly
after strong rises in the population 18 years old and permanent
settler arrivals (Chart 3.4)."
<http://www.foreseechange.com/houtlook0303.pdf>
Both of which indicate compound growth far in excess of population
growth, in excess of the growth of foreign born residents, and well in
excess of inflation (from CPI and GDP deflator etc). The same report
you are quoting goes on to say "The average price of established homes
has escalated significantly since mid-2001. The rate of annual price
increases has exceeded 5% consistently since late 1997, after never
exceeding that level of increase earlier in the 1990's." Note that it
is referring to established homes, not new houses, which of course are
less likely to be built in Cronulla and coastal areas of Sydney. If
housing is too expensive in Cronulla for those who grew up there, then
they will simply have to move (as they are). They will resent it, they
may unfairly blame migrants for it, but they will still be wrong.
Post by Eunometic
The big unspeakable reasult is this; High immigration is not benefical
<http://www.ipa.org.au/MediaMonitoring/articles/Bettsinterview.pdf>
404 Error: Page or Document Not Found.
Post by Eunometic
Note that housing price increase are no longer incorporated fully under
CPI increases.
A sneeky statistical change engineered under Howard.
I think it may have been under Keating actually. A sensible move though
as housing in Sydney was actually skewering national CPI. Housing
prices are still measured as part of inflation using indices other than
the CPI, and considered carefully as far as monetary policy is
concerned.

What is driving Sydney established house prices up faster than average
isn't population growth, but capital gains tax exemptions, negative
gearing, supply side issues (partially due to zoning) & growth in the
number of households (with the number of people per household shrinking
slightly each year - as it is everywhere else in the OECD).
Post by Eunometic
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
The mob was the only and the inevitable answer. Let us rejoice at
that.
Let us rejoice my arse. Cronulla is a public beach, accessed by a
public railway. The couple who were strolling along the lower walkway
of the Wall, should have the right to be able to move freely without
having a mob of drunken lunatics force them to seek refuge in a police
paddy wagon. It is a disgrace that the 17 or so year old boy (a
Cronulla resident) was bashed and couldn't swim at his local beach
because of his "middle eastern appearance".
Quite, when I went to school in the are(a,) we had fair proportion of other
races. We pretty much go(t) along and went out together. Times have
changed: most Lebanese now come from suburbs where there
are little to no 'aussies' and most are now not descended
from the finer stratum of Lebanese society but from people who
didn't qualify as migrants but got in as quasi refugees. (quasi
because of no humanitarian resttlement funds)
Interesting grammar mate. Can you write that again in English?
I've corrected it by deleting a line I'd intended to edit out.
There used to be Irishtowns in Sydney where new arrivals congregated
(it is one of the reasons why St. Andrew's (Anglican) Cathedral is next
to Town Hall, whereas St. Mary's (Catholic) Cathedral was built on the
outskirts next a piggery, same situation again in Parramatta). Each
wave of immigrants has done the same thing, grown older, and then
complained bitterly about the most recent group of arrivals. 50 years
from now people in Lakemba will be probably be complaining about
Buddhists. What is new?
Post by Eunometic
I grew up in Parramatta. At high school there were about 60 ethnicities
represented in the student body, about 15% of whom were Lebanese
(mostly Maronites). We studied Arabic for 6 months in Year 7 as part of
the language requirement of the curriculum. The only ugly racial
incident I recall was in Year 9, when an Australian born kid whose
parents were Lebanese called a South African born friend of mine a
"black cunt", and got punched for his trouble. Next day his older
brothers came to the school and beat the shit out of my friend, putting
him in Westmead hospital. The police sorted it out, and my friend
changed schools. What happened in Cronulla on the weekend isn't
anything new. Nothing ever really changes.
Arabs have a 'clan' mentaility. They are a consanguinous culture and
clannish culture.
They will avenge a relative.
It is spelt consanguineous, and hardly confined to Arab cultures. And
"don't get made, get even" is hardly a term unknown in the English
speaking world. I would probably avenge a relative one way or other.
Post by Eunometic
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Regardless of where their
parents or grandparents were born, people should have the right to
enjoy a public beach. The actions of the mob are as unforgivable as
those who conducted the unprovoked attack on the lifesavers the
previous week. Police had already arrested one of the culprits of the
earlier attack, now its time to arrest some of that mob. Round them up
and press charges of assault.
Once you activated the natural protective group mentality all your
rights matter nought. Our idiotic politicians let it get to that.
Yeah right. A largely bi-partisan policy over the last 40 years is
idiocy, and yet at the same time it is all Al Grassby's fault in your
view.
Bipartisanship is totall idiocy as the policy has never been subject to
debate.
It has been debated constantly, from the populate or perish arguments
of World War 2 onwards to the AOS issues of the last 15 years. The idea
that governments should be able to deny any Australian the right to
marry and form a family with a (foreign) partner of his or her choice
has also been repeatedly debated, from trade unions to the Chambers of
Commerce. Only fringe dwellers and kooks have been unable to engage
effectively in the debate.
Post by Eunometic
Police are useless. In the face of the large anti-social gangsta
culture that has developed in mainly lebanese muslim youth there
appears no way back. You can't possibly find enough police or given
them enough powers to restore the relative freedom and ease we once
had.
Mob rule will ensure that there will never be any freedom or ease for
anyone. It is hardly a solution. Back the police. If it isn't possible
to have sufficient numbers of police on the beach, then as with other
leisure and entertainment areas security guards should be hired and
paid for on a user pays principle. No vigilantes.
Terrorism works, mobs get often results. Its ugly but its the truth.
"mobs get often results" ??? We should be debating literacy.
Post by Eunometic
Best way is to
let it not get that way. There is NO way this would have happened had
the
immigration program been say 50% of what it was or if the police had of
been able
to nip gansta loutism in the bud 5-10 years ago.
BS. If there had been zero migration over the last 50 years the riot
would still have happened. Instead of drunken white residents attacking
anyone they decided looked "Lebanese" (including Australians whose
parents were Italians etc), we would simply have had a repeat of the
previous disturbances in the 1970's involving fights between westies
and waxheads. It is the only beach with a railway station.

Regards Declan
d***@hotmail.com
2005-12-13 06:12:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
There is normally and ugliness associated with mobs.
Yes....
Post by Eunometic
I say however that the mob in Cronulla is exactly what we needed<snip>
No....
Post by Eunometic
Government elites, lunar multiculturalists have been content to indugle
and ignore the atrocious behaviour of what seems to be mainly muslim
boys, they are frustrated having their suburbs turned into little
middle easts complete with burquaed women, kaftaned mullahs and gangs
that seem more like Beirut paramilitary group than teenagers.
There have been riots in Macquarie Fields, Redfern, and Cronulla this
year. The only common point seems to be that the participants are
primarily uneducated & economically disadvantaged.
Cronulla is a relatively affluent area.
Those arrested are not all from Cronulla, and when they appear in
Sutherland Local Court we will learn their occupations. Surely you
aren't suggesting that the photograph of the drunken yobbo trying to
smash a beer bottle over a policeman's head was depicting an accountant
or a local dentist?
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
You'd have to be a blinkered fool to pretend that muslim youth haven't
become a problem in Australia yet we seem to have plenty of such idiots
around.
"some muslim youth" would be more accurate.
A minority for sure but a considerable number out of proportion to
their numbers.
More conjecture.
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
They are indignant at seeing themselves and their children driven into
ever more impossibly expenisve housing in hoter drier suburbs further
and further out west that are devoid of recreational opportunities, far
from work and lacking in infrastructure.
Migration (both from overseas & from elsewhere in Oz) has had
practically nothing to do with inflation in house prices in Cronulla
and other coastal areas.
If you want to look for scapegoats, start with
capital gains tax exemptions, negative gearing & housing policy in
general.
What a load of shyte. By making that statement "nothing to do whatever"
you loose all credibillity.
I didn't make the statement "nothing to do whatever" - those
parentheses are yours. If you are able to quote and reference any
empirical evidence suggesting that Sydney's coastal housing prices
(that have appreciated far faster than the immigration rates or the
CPI) have anything to do with migration then just do so.
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Post by Eunometic
The mob was the only and the inevitable answer. Let us rejoice at
that.
Let us rejoice my arse. Cronulla is a public beach, accessed by a
public railway. The couple who were strolling along the lower walkway
of the Wall, should have the right to be able to move freely without
having a mob of drunken lunatics force them to seek refuge in a police
paddy wagon. It is a disgrace that the 17 or so year old boy (a
Cronulla resident) was bashed and couldn't swim at his local beach
because of his "middle eastern appearance".
Quite, when I went to school in the are we had fair proportion of other
races. We pretty much go along and went out together. Times have
changed: most Lebanese now come from suburbs where there are do many
that there are little to no 'aussies' and most are now not descended
not from the finer stratum of Lebanese society but from people who
didn't qualify as migrants but got in as quasi refugees. (quasi
because of no humanitarian resttlement funds)
Interesting grammar mate. Can you write that again in English?

I grew up in Parramatta. At high school there were about 60 ethnicities
represented in the student body, about 15% of whom were Lebanese
(mostly Maronites). We studied Arabic for 6 months in Year 7 as part of
the language requirement of the curriculum. The only ugly racial
incident I recall was in Year 9, when an Australian born kid whose
parents were Lebanese called a South African born friend of mine a
"black cunt", and got punched for his trouble. Next day his older
brothers came to the school and beat the shit out of my friend, putting
him in Westmead hospital. The police sorted it out, and my friend
changed schools. What happened in Cronulla on the weekend isn't
anything new. Nothing ever really changes.
Post by d***@hotmail.com
Regardless of where their
parents or grandparents were born, people should have the right to
enjoy a public beach. The actions of the mob are as unforgivable as
those who conducted the unprovoked attack on the lifesavers the
previous week. Police had already arrested one of the culprits of the
earlier attack, now its time to arrest some of that mob. Round them up
and press charges of assault.
Once you activated the natural protective group mentality all your
rights matter nought. Our idiotic politicians let it get to that.
Yeah right. A largely bi-partisan policy over the last 40 years is
idiocy, and yet at the same time it is all Al Grassby's fault in your
view.
Police are useless. In the face of the large anti-social gangsta
culture that has developed in mainly lebanese muslim youth there
appears no way back. You can't possibly find enough police or given
them enough powers to restore the relative freedom and ease we once
had.
Mob rule will ensure that there will never be any freedom or ease for
anyone. It is hardly a solution. Back the police. If it isn't possible
to have sufficient numbers of police on the beach, then as with other
leisure and entertainment areas security guards should be hired and
paid for on a user pays principle. No vigilantes.

Regards Declan
Eunometic
2005-12-13 04:53:43 UTC
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There is normally and ugliness associated with mobs.
Yes....
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I say however that the mob in Cronulla is exactly what we needed<snip>
No....
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Government elites, lunar multiculturalists have been content to indugle
and ignore the atrocious behaviour of what seems to be mainly muslim
boys, they are frustrated having their suburbs turned into little
middle easts complete with burquaed women, kaftaned mullahs and gangs
that seem more like Beirut paramilitary group than teenagers.
There have been riots in Macquarie Fields, Redfern, and Cronulla this
year. The only common point seems to be that the participants are
primarily uneducated & economically disadvantaged.
Cronulla is a relatively affluent area.
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You'd have to be a blinkered fool to pretend that muslim youth haven't
become a problem in Australia yet we seem to have plenty of such idiots
around.
"some muslim youth" would be more accurate.
A minority for sure but a considerable number out of proportion to
their numbers.
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They are indignant at seeing themselves and their children driven into
ever more impossibly expenisve housing in hoter drier suburbs further
and further out west that are devoid of recreational opportunities, far
from work and lacking in infrastructure.
Migration (both from overseas & from elsewhere in Oz) has had
practically nothing to do with inflation in house prices in Cronulla
and other coastal areas.
What a load of shyte. By making that statement "nothing to do whatever"
you loose all credibillity.


If you want to look for scapegoats, start with
Post by d***@hotmail.com
capital gains tax exemptions, negative gearing & housing policy in
general .
Post by Eunometic
I remember that Cronulla was an easy going happy suburb, people from
the "Shire" are particularly proud of their area and want to preserve
it.
I grew up in Parramatta. It is a different place today of course. Times
change and for the most part it has been for the better, as it has been
for the rest of Sydney.
Post by Eunometic
The mob was the only and the inevitable answer. Let us rejoice at
that.
Let us rejoice my arse. Cronulla is a public beach, accessed by a
public railway. The couple who were strolling along the lower walkway
of the Wall, should have the right to be able to move freely without
having a mob of drunken lunatics force them to seek refuge in a police
paddy wagon. It is a disgrace that the 17 or so year old boy (a
Cronulla resident) was bashed and couldn't swim at his local beach
because of his "middle eastern appearance".
Quite, when I went to school in the are we had fair proportion of other
races. We pretty much go along and went out together. Times have
changed: most Lebanese now come from suburbs where there are do many
that there are little to no 'aussies' and most are now not descended
not from the finer stratum of Lebanese society but from people who
didn't qualify as migrants but got in as quasi refugees. (quasi
because of no humanitarian resttlement funds)
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Regardless of where their
parents or grandparents were born, people should have the right to
enjoy a public beach. The actions of the mob are as unforgivable as
those who conducted the unprovoked attack on the lifesavers the
previous week. Police had already arrested one of the culprits of the
earlier attack, now its time to arrest some of that mob. Round them up
and press charges of assault.
Once you activated the natural protective group mentality all your
rights matter nought. Our idiotic politicians let it get to that.

Police are useless. In the face of the large anti-social gangsta
culture that has developed in mainly lebanese muslim youth there
appears no way back. You can't possibly find enough police or given
them enough powers to restore the relative freedom and ease we once
had.

Australians are now unsuprisingly becoming ethnically self conscious as
they find themsleves minoritised and and despised in some suburbs and
as they themselves find themselves victims of ethnic intimidation and
realising that they need to act to protect themselves. They are
pushing back.

They will develope their own gang and group mentality now. The police
are useless and perceived as useless, policiants are perceived as
pandering sychophants and so called 'hate crime and villification' laws
have shutdown all discussion on the issue. The only outlet now is not
argument but it seems to the formation of Australian gangs to match
those of other ethnic groups.

Innocent people are going to get hurt, not seriously I hope, that's is
the inevitable conseuqence of Australias oversized immigration piolicy.
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